Sharpening a $5 Knife on a $300 Sharpening Stone

TODAY IM SHARPENING A $5 KNIFE ON A $300 SHARPENING STONE FROM VENEV, EACH RESIN BONDED DIAMOND STONE IS $300 AND WE ARE USING 2 IN THIS VIDEO SO ITS REALLY $600 WORTH 0F STONES FOR A CHEAP NO NAME STEEL FROM AMAZON I ALSO SHOW HOW KNIVES LIKE THIS ARE SOLD SO CHEAP.
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[@APplumber]

Only problem is anyone buying that knife is not going to be buying Venev stones.

[@JohnDoe-zb7dz]

I use to advise folks to practice on cheap knives. What I didn't realize is that I was doing them a disservice. It was frustrating them because of the soft junk. At least put them on 8cr or a good heat treatment. Thanks for sharing!

[@NeevesKnives]

yeah i think the best way to point them is like 8cr, 10cr, 14c28n, nitro v, 9cr etc as they are usually decently heat treated and are fast sharpened steels

[@randysmith9636]

That Tri stone is the real deal. I bought mine when you did a review of it. I use it primarily for my kitchen knives, a quick hit on the 1200 grit gets them back up fast. I spent some time on it with my Civivi Altus Nitro V steel and i will admit i am proud of the edge. Im still learning how to freehand and that Tri stone has been great. Thanks for the video brother.

[@Hungrybird474]

The altus s nitro v gets super duper crazy sharp . Most of civivi s edges do well imo . 👍

[@NeevesKnives]

thats awesome and yeah i cant believe how great it is, my regular plates that size are far far more expensive

[@sethfletcher8793]

I love this class. Primal Apex 101. Jerad is a guru. 🔪

[@mikereese15]

That was awesome. And thank for the tristone option. Might pick it up right now.

[@clintcrosby6337]

Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us. Good to know how to sharpen properly.

[@Shono731]

Always incredible content brother! Keep up the phenomenal work good sir! 🙏🏼😀👍🏼

[@just_nate_8694]

I love stuff like this!

[@micahmatyi131]

I think I’m gonna pick up that cheapo triside one till I can pick up the good ones. You make sharpening look so easy.

[@CapoeiraBoricuaAyala]

Awesome video and thanks for the heads up on that tri stone, already ordered it and ready to start honing my skills(pun intended) Gotta say your videos definitely had a hand in motivating me to take up free hand sharpening. Keep the great work up brother, it is greatly appreciated.

[@randysmith9636]

You are going to like it I'm sure. I bought it when he did a review on it and like you I am new to free hand sharpening. I like that it sets up higher than a regular flat stone too. For me it just seems to work well while keeping the angle correct. It is a whole lot of sharpening for very little money.

[@dereksturms3724]

J, the tri ways are back up to 50$ 😅

[@dereksturms3724]

Love it hahah

[@flknifelife3725]

The short clips of the knives being mass produced by machines looked like wusthof. I always heard they were pretty good and didn’t realize they were made that way. Interesting.

[@4d4mko]

Can you make a video on how to dress the Venev stones?? Thanks!

[@michaell397]

Great Vid Here Jerad! I have several of the Venev stones and enjoy them. Sadly, the selection isn't good now. They come out of Russia and with all the issues surrounding that, no one can get a steady supply of them. Grit O Matic is the official dealer here and the inventory is really sparse. I found another source for the Venev's some time ago which was almost half the price direct from Bellerose. But due to sanctions, that too has dried up. GRRRRR!!! If you are lucky enough to be able to obtain one of a few of these fine stones, the company cautions against sharpening very low carbide and or soft steels. Many steels, especially low carbide stainless steels are very soft and are sicky on the stone. This actually causes much more wear on the stones. Much higher wear than ever high vanadium steels. This is due to the gummy/sticky nature of high chromium content and low hardness. It rather than wearing the stones surface from the friction of honing, it pulls at the diamond matrix much like a pencil eraser does on paper, where a smooth piece of hardwood just glides over the paper. Fo for practice on really low quality steels, use your everyday Alu. Oxide or Silicon Carbide stones and save the fine Venev's for quality steels. They excel at sharpening high hardness and especially high vanadium carbide steels. There are alternatives from Japan, but are even more expensive. There are also Chinese copies of the Japanese stones and are very cheap. The small pocket versions are quite good but very small. They have larger full size bench stones, however some have shown they are much lower in actual Diamond content. I no longer use water for lube on the stones as it still allows loading which requires surfacing to clean up. I switched to Trend Diamond honing fluid. There is no build up what so ever in any of the Veneve stones, and the only time they need dressing is when the surface becomes overly slick and cutting action is diminished. I ran a test for its usefulness and gave the results to Grit O Matic and is published there. Other options are Hapstone and Columbia George. Both very high quality products. Also BBB Big Brown Bear, when available and quite expensive. KnifeMaker

[@jasperblake5077]

What is your super course stone? The silver diamond one, not the venev diamond bonded ones. It looks like a lapping stone maybe? The one that you use to reprofile edges

[@tiago7294]

Whats that liquid that you put on the diamond plates? Cheers

[@stevenlachance8576]

I need to donate to your table fund-next live I catch

[@NeevesKnives]

i appreciate that jfyi there is a way to donate in videos as well not that you have to but under the video you will see a money sign

[@tagwache88]

The production example from Wüsthif is a bit misleading. I haven't seen a bad grind on a Wüsthof. Heattreating might not be the best, but in a well setup automation it can be very consistent over all knives.

[@joelb1299]

3Cr special! :) Cheap steel, very thin.

[@aidenhughes5239]

What do you spray on the stone? Is it just soapy water? Should I spray some on my guided field sharpener?

[@NeevesKnives]

yes its soapy water but no you dont need to on your regular diamond plates you can it might make them last a little longer but its not required like the resin bonded ones, however you should use it on your ceramic stone for sure

[@ianbaker4295]

It’s definitely more than the diamonds that make those plates expensive. Imagine if the resin was too soft and the steel plate was warped

[@user-mb4xy2cz3t]

The thing is, that you can't really do much to shit steels, no matter how expensive and good your equipment is. The shittest steel I had to sharpen as a favor, was so soft, that 400 grit diamond stone was leaving visible micro chips on the edge after just 1-2 passes, and even after 1200 grit diamond, it was more sawblade, than a knife. You don't have to have kitchen knives that cost hundreds of dollars, but the difference between dirt cheap budget kitchen knife, and a $20-50 Victorynox or another quality brand, is just huge.

[@alphaglitching2156]

Hey I was wondering if you knew anything about the new venev Cerberus dog series because I just bought a couple of those stones off gritomatic but I was wondering if they were the same as the other dog series

[@NeevesKnives]

they are just 4" double sided stones for fixed angle

[@alphaglitching2156]

@@NeevesKnivesthank you for the info

[@philsturgill3435]

I can’t find that sharpening kit for $25 anywhere. Is there a link

[@NeevesKnives]

they raised the price over night, its 32 now or something its in the description that is still a steel of a deal my plates that size are well over a 100 DIAMOND TRI STONE SHARPENER amzn.to/3tGX7M2

[@AVA787]

I would love to see how fast that thing loses its edge even compared to something like 8CR lol

[@NeevesKnives]

yeah id say about 20 feet of cardboard, 8cr is about 80 feet give or take

[@user-xf4es7eh9y]

still makes more sense than some dumb, virtually nonexistent, shit like rex121 idiot knife bros are obsessed with even though half of them don't even know how to use or maintain a basic knife.

[@paullmight42]

the tristone comes up as 35$...still seems like a great deal though...

[@NeevesKnives]

it definitely is, i dont know why it changed over night but regardless i thought it was a steel at 50 hell 3 plates that size are over a 100

[@DullPoints]

Now *THIS* is the kind of brain off knife content that's perfect for KZbin.

[@DullPoints]

In all sincerity, I hope this vid does well, you deserve it my man. The auto focus gave me a headache lol

[@dereksturms3724]

😂😂😂😂

[@Hungrybird474]

Crap steel takes a crap edge . Sounds like crap to me on the stone . Dedicated cake cutter 👏 edit , it got sharp so it’s not so bad I guess . Good job 👏

[@NeevesKnives]

it was probably just luck lol

[@SweetTooth8989]

Yeah when it's not mentioned, especially cheap knives, you're getting some bargain bin stainless that can be heat treated to a very basic degree. Probably in the low 50's hrc. I also agree about some cheap steels being really hard to sharpen. I have two super cheap Chinese pocket knives (one is an benchmade infidel "clone") and the other is some random cheap folder and I swear they both have blades as hard as glass. They are very hard and take a lot of effort to sharpen but at the same time, not matter what I do, i can't get an edge on them. I can't get a burr and no matter how fine of an edge I bring them to, they just don't cut. The edge stays super smooth and you couldn't even cut your finger on it if you tried... Weird. I'm guessing it's a combo of using some cheap steels, maybe random mixed batches with improper or too hot heat treat? Maybe someone that knows more could explain better.

[@WashJosh]

Idk what’s worse. Is it the waste of time sharpening a knife that will dull in the first use? Or that unstable table? It’s literally creaking like 50 year old wooden floors😂 I don’t got money like that but Jerad…I’ll buy you a table.

[@jdisdetermined]

Up to $35 already now for the diamond tristone. Lame. Still a good buy for how big the plates are. Temu has cheaper large plates, and they’re decent for the price I use them for axes and machetes, but they’re not quite that big. Also just an FYI for people, don’t buy their copy of the Worksharp Field Sharpeners. They have thin cheap abrasives stones glued on, *not* the diamond abrasives the genuine model has, and they’re only about $10 cheaper than the Workshop anyway. 👎

[@NeevesKnives]

yeah i dont know why it changed over night regardless its way worth it still i thought it was a steel at 50, my diamond plates that size are well over a 100

[@jdisdetermined]

@@NeevesKnives Definitely! Have you ever tried super vitrified diamond stones, J? Do you know how they are different from regular diamond stones? I know BBB is a big fan of them.

[@NeevesKnives]

@jdisdetermined no I haven't but I know BBB stands by them they are very expensive, they are very similar in ways to the resin bonded diamond stones they just don't load as much, but regular diamond plates cut and work the same they just wear out fast while those other ones last almost forever