ARE CHEAP BOWS ANY GOOD? The inspected Black Hunter Bow

[@Scorpanian]

You guys are exactly what is needed in the world. Well done.

[@markschuler6912]

What an awesome idea. I've been on the fence about getting one of these for those exact reasons.

[@georgemorrison1888]

Speaking from experience you absolutely do have the best customer service.

[@jesselattin174]

I bought my black Hunter about a year and a half ago. I have created exactly what you were offering now. It's a good way to get started but I'm looking forward to a better bow in the future. Please keep up the good work I appreciate the videos and your products!!!

[@AnonYmous-ii4tc]

Great job guys. Love to see somebody putting their hearts and brains into something like this. I hope it does really well for you!

[@rodagoose]

My Black Hunter recurve had a limb delaminate and break after a couple years of regular use. A couple weeks after the Black Hunter broke I ordered an RD Bones from you guys. The RD Bones is a beautiful and enjoyable bow. Since then, I also drank the koolaid on Mongolian "horse" bows and I've really been enjoying them. One of my Mongolian bows has a Shatterproof string on it. I ordered the bowstring from you at 47.25 inches and basically assumed you would round down to 47 or up to 47.5. Nope, the bowstring I received was exactly 47.25" and it fit the bow perfectly. Thanks guys!

[@jasonwatson2679]

You guys are the best. I ordered bamboo from you that came in a little short and a couple pieces cracked. I contacted Kaz on my next order he made sure they were the proper length and sent two extra for the correct ones. I was still able to use the short but I have no doubt I Id have asked for replacements he would have. Best service out there!!!

[@charlesdudley5800]

You guys have great service. I tell people about you guys all the time.

[@HeathsandMacDonaldYeso]

Kramer love the content of these videos two years ago a started making selfbows I can’t look at a tree anymore without pondering it’s hidden treasures with wood shavings up to my ankles I have turned out many bows I am proud of however the science of matching an arrow to the various styles of bows still eludes me If you could throw some of your advice out to the world I would humbly listen and thank you

[@phillipstubbington7555]

Yep, great idea and really will be appreciated.

[@m-alevesquefpv8971]

Last year, i watched my first Shatterproof archery video, and ive been building bows ever since! Thanks for the inspiration!

[@johnericmccorkle]

This is value delivery... great job! Also earned a subscription to the channel too!

[@richardgarren1868]

Thanks for this video. I bought one of the Top Archery bows that is like the Black Hunter bow. I learned from your video what length of flemish twist you recommend. I just bought a twist string and took off the stock string. I twisted my string to 57.25 inches. The bow has 7.5 brace height now. The factory string was not great and gave almost 9 inch brace height. My bow was also heavier than the 35 lbs that I ordered. Thanks again!

[@jonenglish6617]

I bought a black hunter based on your video. Great Bow

[@stevenkeil7869]

Rock on! I have bought 3 or so bow strings from yall and they are awesome. Got me wanting to start making my own due to my current self bow addiction and after several attempts i finally made a string that is almost as nice😅! Arrows are the next worm hole...

[@Native_love]

Sold out! I need one in 30#

[@michaelgow8050]

Hey, Mick from Australia here. I have been watching you ( Kramer ) since I started my Archery obsession about 4 yrs ago. Your growth has run parallel to mine and I have really benefitted from your user-friendly advice. Over the past 4 yrs I have purchased at least 25 Bows....16 for me and the rest for others I have evangelized into Archery. With so many bows to set-up I reckon I have got pretty good at figuring out things like the best brace height, best nocking height and appropriate arrows. Also, how to make and fit good string silencers and limb pads. You are absolutely correct about Chinese Bows being a bit of a lottery when it comes to quality and being within specs. I have had to get replacements quite a few times but luckily the Chinese seem very good at just sucking it up and sending a replacement or refund if that's what you want. A few of the bows have been from Korea and even some from Italy ....they seem to be on the mark though. What I do ( for free ) is to help facilitate my friends by navigating the websites, buying and then SETTING-UP the bows for them, because it would take forever to teach them how to do it and that would probably put them off. What you are offering makes terrific sense and good-on you for helping starters in that way. I have watched many of your reviews of Black Hunters and I remember you commenting just HOW GOOD they are, and especially for the very low price. Many other experienced Archers say the same thing....and especially if you know how to tweak the minor faults. Cheers Mick

[@harleyekstein5474]

Gonna be buying this and a quiver from you guys for the upcoming archery season glad to see you guys do all this for me so I don’t have to worry about it honestly probably end up getting me a full shatterproof set up later down the road when I have the finances your guys bows look amazing

[@MyMumei]

I remember that day 3 years ago. I binged watch all of them!

[@HannahAckley-ih1zg]

Now I just need you guys to get the right hand 35# back in stock, so i can order one 😆♥️

[@chrisclarke3670]

Great video!

[@musthaveblues]

My Black Hunter bow from Obert, was right on the poundage, 35#. Thanks for your continued great videos and caring.

[@JW-bw8nj]

I ordered 40 lb black hunter longbow limbs from Obert. I put the bow with the new limbs on the draw board and they were 39.7 lbs @ 28". I can live with that!

[@darrinrebagliati5365]

I don't want another riser. I have a Black Hunter, w 30lb and 45lb limbs. Something has happened to the 45lb limbs over last winter and they're no longer in alignment. I haven't looked at warranty yet but am certain tis long past done. What I'd like is a string kil, and a set of limbs, that can take 30 and 50 lb limbs. Maybe a silencer kit is a better name: stfing, string and limb silencers and rests. I bought it after watching multiple positive reviews, but you introduced me to it. I'm currently curing several different woods for attempts at bows. Successfully made a cedar riser for fiberglass limbs, using the pattern in Clay Hayes book that you turned me on to. Thanks for inspiring this semicrippled old man to pick-up his old hobby again!

[@bradlauber9097]

I put nylon protector washers under the bezels and put better Velcro on the riser under limb pads for better silencing. Another thing to look at with your orders if the riser is cut past center

[@crownheightsog]

Definitely ordering one of these asap

[@maxcervantes]

Great vid, great content from this channel and your other one. One question on the inspected bow: do you check the string grooves for sharp edges that could damage the string? also, will you start offering invincible strings or is that too much for this type of bow?

[@sweetchariotengland]

Yes guys. You have inspired and instructed me in the process of establishing my own brand of selfbow hunting bows here in England. Your passion is clear to see and has tied into my love of foraging and forests. I'm displaying them on my channel, it would be awesome if you would come n see what I've done. Great job lads

[@abyss3622]

I was thinking about buying this bow, this video came out just in time

[@RileyReneau]

100% can confirm they have amazing Cust service. I ordered the wrong size bow string as a noob would. I offered to ship it back for a replacement and they said it wasnt a problem. Paid for me to ship it back AND sent out a new one to the correct length! BLOWN AWAY! WIll always buy my boy accessories from them

[@Youtuberkit7]

Thanks Sir I will order one with full premium package. Just emailed you already and you said you out of the mountain in Colorado. I’ll wait for October 2. Thanks Sir.

[@josephtreadlightly5686]

Junxing has some very nice aluminum risers & with very good limbs & a quality D-97 custom string like Shatterproof Archery makes u can expect a very high quality shooting. The one I have comes with a nice piece that mounts to 😅the riser so u can shoot off the shelf. But with my arrow tuning I've found that a flipper rest mounted to the riser with no shelf gives you a much better bare shaft tune.

[@DragonScorpio31]

for F171 blackhunter buy direct from Junxing, AME and/or Mandarin Duck - poundage never wrong.. and if u are buying only limbs, make sure its for 15" riser and not 17", coz there r lotsa copies that look like blackhunter but are actually for 17" Red Phoenix.. be familiar with the chinese bow market and u won't get it wrong..

[@mrnice752]

This is the wrong bow, you've got the copy from TopArchery. The one that everyone loved was the Junxing F171(recurve) and F172(longbow), also sold as the Mandarin Duck Black Hunter. They have bamboo core and American Gordon glass limbs. The TopArchery one is maple core and cheaper chinese glass.

[@yoshionem]

Big Jims Bow Company and Twig Archery both sell verified versions of the Black Hunter

[@roncrawford7128]

I have just received mine that I ordered direct from Mandarin Duck. There is not a SINGLE marking ANYWHERE on the bow, not even a trade name. I bought a light 30# bow with the intention of using it to nurse back a shoulder injury. I've shot a lot of traditional bows over the years and I can tell you that this bow is nowhere near 30#. I've got to weigh it just to be certain of what I've got here, but it feels more like a 45# bow. Since there are no markings on the bow, I have no weight to compare it to. Also, I ordered the MK 2, newer version of this bow. The limbs are cut different where the bolt hole is on the newer version. They sent me the original version and the limbs are cut different from the different newer version. I am not a happy camper with the cheap chinese quality control.

[@mrnice752]

@@roncrawford7128 Mandarin Duck is a European reseller, they don't make anything just import products and put their branding on it. If they sent you the wrong poundage bow it has nothing to do with the manufacturer. Edit to add: Also the original was better than the mark 2, so you got lucky. They changed the limbs to make them ambidextrous and cheaper to make.

[@Alexanderofthe9th]

What about obert?

[@bobbarker5884]

​@@roncrawford7128 Thank you!! I'll either be ordering mine from these guys or Big Jim's. You potentially saved me. I was just about to order from Mandarin Duck too

[@bobbarker5884]

So I bought the longbow @ 30lbs. Any suggestions on what arrows to buy? I am a complete newbie and this will be the bow I learn on.

[@sonnybonowig7538]

What arrows do you suggest as in weight and where to find good product

[@markgiles5426]

Interested in purchasing but do you have the elite model???

[@ShatterproofArchery]

Unfortunately we do not have the elite model.

[@bigdshunting6189]

Looking on website looks out of stock any update when your get a new one in.

[@micbit1]

Well done! Well the next fase should be, do your own limbs to the BH. I think it would be spot on! Many people included my self would like to buy better limbs for the BH recurve/longbow. Imagine to upgrade with carbon limbs? All the best to you and your brother! I will definitely buy your strings, even with shipping price to Sweden. //Michael.B

[@Youtuberkit7]

I’m ordering this one brother already spoke to you on email. Thanks

[@ManDuderGuy]

Godblessya Bowman!

[@donwaldroopoutdoors3665]

you guys are awesome

[@schnipslhansi]

Is there any way to fix a top archery hunting sight on the black hunter recurve? Does it need a beep sight? Kind regards, Johnny

[@chewy7775]

After one yr my black hunter blew up. Top limb split at the riser. I ordered a 40lb and got a 50. Nice looking bow but I’m not impressed also I put less than 300 shots through it.

[@HondoTrailside]

WHOA! Did you measure the bow weight, and mark it with a new weight, based on the string it came with. Then shipped it with a longer string? That means the bow they get, with the longer string will be a a different weight than the one marked. Granted it will be closer than random, but it still seems odd.

[@danielruprecht8932]

Great idea 👍🎯

[@hellzfirex]

When will you get more left handed 50# ones? I just checked and it says sold out.

[@ronnyweinreich]

Got a Black Hunter Recurve 30# as my first bow from an Archery Store for a ridiculously high price. 😅 Regardless that I paid too much, I was pretty good for the beginning. Meanwhile, I have a Spiderbows Raven C.V.-E. Carbon ILF 40#. 👍

[@rodneycrane3176]

Best part is you get the comfort of knowing the best have checked out and perhaps played with the bow you’re buying #ITrustkramerAmmons

[@garryboye1056]

What about arrows to go with your bows??

[@reapergrim76]

This is good info. 😊

[@MM400-Buck-Rack]

Can you make a speed bow just like the ones the Bushman makes . I believe they are 48” for a 28” draw with 50-55lbs draw weight. I may be wrong.

[@stephenadams8584]

@ShaterproofArchery , hey guys enjoy the vids and your treat as you would like to be treated. I’ve got a 45lb Samick I would really like to move into an aluminum riser 21-25” with ilf limbs so I can get a 50 and then a set off 55 lb limbs . What should I be looking for ? Seems everything goes from reasonable to stupid & not really any middle of the road choices for a hunting bow . I’d like to use a pin sight and have ILF compatibility. Look forward to hearing from you thanks in advance for any information and help .

[@CamelCasee]

How stable is that draw weight?

[@donfarmer4020]

I bought a 45 lb black Hunter and the poundage at 28 inches was 52lbs. Ordered the 40lbs limbs and when I put them on the riser it was 46lbs at 28 inch draw. I like the bow and it was my first trad bow and in 4 months I now have 8 bows. Be careful boys and girls. Traditional archery can be addicting. LOL.

[@chtapodi73]

Nothing to do with this but I just went back and watched your nocking point vid and tuning vid... I just changed the string on my Cheyenne after far too long (16months and I shoot a lot)... and your sharpie method is wonderful... as is the duct tape... why didn't I know this before... then I looked at a slowmo of the post string change and it's riding like this crazy French chick I knew back at university...

[@ThirdLawPair]

The only down side to the Black Hunter is that it is so good as a beginner bow that it is really hard to find a suitable upgrade. I think for my next bow I will get a nice Pat Norris riser and a set of Black Wolf limbs.

[@MichiganDragonSlayer]

I got a black hunter longbow because of your video. And use your strings and beaver silencers on it. I was thinking of trying three under. (currently use split finger). Have you done a video on how to set your bow up for that. is brace height or nock placement different? Im very new to trad archery.

[@ridebecauseucan1944]

Brace height is same but raise your nock height up maybe 1/8-1/4”. I have mine at 7 1/2” brace and 5/8” nock height. Seems quiet and no arrow tail kick. It’s a 35lbs. Black Hunter longbow and is very accurate with GW 32” 600 w/150gn tips out to 25 yards(arrow weight is 452gn.) My draw is 29.5”.

[@ridebecauseucan1944]

Brace height is same but raise your nock height up maybe 1/8-1/4”. I have mine at 7 1/2” brace and 5/8” nock height. Seems quiet and no arrow tail kick. It’s a 35lbs. Black Hunter longbow and is very accurate with GT traditional 32” 600 w/150gn tips out to 25 yards(arrow weight is 452gn.) My draw is 29.5”.

[@MichaelWallace-g9r]

Always use a bow stringer

[@billyturk8117]

Yeah man I ordered a 50 and got a 60 .

[@dwheeler1805]

When can we get the Mountain Bow??????

[@HondoTrailside]

You have better customer service, (which I don't doubt), because you sent him the wrong string and it could have been a pretty bad accident. By the way, a continuous loop string would have been fine.

[@carlc.4714]

7:00 Speaking of tiller and noise: is this bow even tillered for three under? 🤔

[@stevedaughton7247]

Looks like the Black Hunter clone?? I was happy with everything I got with my Black Hunter, weight was right on.

[@bobbarker5884]

Where did you buy it?

[@stevedaughton7247]

@@bobbarker5884 Amazon

[@twintwo1429]

Shatterproof archery, please never state any extreme claims against your competitors, unless you are willing to explain everything involved. FUNNY HOW ZERO CHINESE IMPORTS OR MANUFACTURERS EVER COMPLAIN ABOUT AMERICAN MADE ARROWS OR BOWS. YET THEY EQUAL THE QUALITY IN MANY CASES AND GROWING. EXAMPLE: DRAGON 8,9,10 ARROWS. TOP QUALITY. ALMOST ZERO AMERICAN MADE ARROWS ARE BETTER AT ALL. YET THE AMERICAN BRANDS ARE 2 TO 5 TIMES MORE EXPENSIVE. THIS IS HILARIOUS, TO SAY THE LEAST.

[@arulbangkit1979]

tolong di bikinkan standart bow untuk anakku , riser 23 Limbs 66/36

[@bradlauber9097]

A black hunter with 2 limb pins? All my black hunters have one locator pin for the limbs.

[@mrnice752]

Different manufacturer. The ones you have with single limb locator pin is the good one made by Junxing, these are even cheaper knock offs of an already budget bow mad by TopArchery.

[@bradlauber9097]

I have the heavier maple wood diamond wood riser as later the manufacturer used lighter not as dence wood to make the risers. . I have two black hunters and can feel the difference in weight of the risers.

[@Silentbet1of]

I hate to be that guy but it was so much louder with the beaver hair added

[@ShatterproofArchery]

You think so? Maybe it is more in the feel than the actual noise made.

[@Silentbet1of]

@ very well may be but aren’t the fuss balls to quite the string ? I mean that how it marketed so if it doesn’t work then why do it to make the bow look like a native bow idk

[@obennett100]

Is the main sound we are hearing, the arrow impacting the target? The target is so close, we don't get the string noise separate?

[@Silentbet1of]

@ nope it clearly the string you can hear two distinct sounds the release from the string and the impact of the arrow very different sounds and clearly they beaver balls are a rip off

[@obennett100]

​The bow string sound comes from string vibration after the shot, like a guitar string) Playing the video back at 0.25x: the first string can be seen vibrating for 2-3 seconds (half to 2/3 seconds real time), the second string vibrates for no more than 1 second (1/4 second real time). Less vibratin = less sound

[@jimmyhor78]

The tiller was way off on that bow though. That looks at least 3/4" positive. Would be awful for 3 finger under shooting.

[@vaazig]

Its too short for string walking imho

[@jamescooper2618]

It drives me nuts when these "proud owners" post on the internet that these bows are just as good as any $1000 bow. There is just no way.

[@ThirdLawPair]

There are a lot of over-priced, underperforming bows out there.

[@JW-bw8nj]

I have a Black Hunter as well as some much more expensive trad bows. The BH is definitely not as good as your typical $1,000 bow, but as far as performance is concerned, the $1,000 bows might be about 8 times the price but they're not 8 times better shooting. The BH is likely the best bang for your buck in trad bows.

[@MrRourk]

AF Archery Fiberglass are probably the cheapest

[@Lost_Hwasal]

Some of the best bows are made "overseas" including ones you probably think are made here, such as hoyt or matthews. I have a win & win barebow target setup that was made in China and Korea that is just as good if not better than any american made bow, and it is exactly the poundage it was advertised as. I also have several bows made by AF and alibow, and i have a KTB II, very good bows, especially for the price. Cool idea, great plains has been doing this for awhile now. I hope you get past your phobia of eastern countries.

[@mikekupetsky6879]

Wrong on both counts. Hoyt and mathews are BOTH built in the USA

[@baraksinz]

There some excellent products made in China these days, but it’s unfortunate that we are supporting communism and child labor in the process of purchasing some of their products.

[@AnimaTriste]

​@baraksinz2937 Communism is good. Get over it. Child labor and homeless people exist in capitalism only, even as legally tolerated societal phenomenon. Communism at least lie about that, and tries to eradicate it.

[@AstrixCloud]

​@@mikekupetsky6879 Build and made aren't the same thing, just saying.

[@puckerbutton7025]

Your stuff is waaaaaay too overpriced