Shay Killing Arno's Father AC Rogue/Unity Comparison

Ah my two least favorite games, this was honestly the only memorable part of each. Subscribe for more Assassins Creed content. Have a nice life, don't get assassinated.

[@-agnozis-5937]

I like how Shay is just saying wisdom words and ending his storyline while Arno is having a mental breakdown.

[@ulysses1320]

Shay ends his Interregnum and Arno starts his

[@notangel1004]

@@ulysses1320 fun fact:Edward Kenway is the dad of haythem kenway and Conner is haythems son and shay was made a Templar by haythem so it’s pretty much a whole Easter about every game in every game

[@flickonyoutube3908]

Dude now I'm imagining shay just sitting on a ledge talking all heroically and wise with Arno just screaming like a bat out of hell in the background xD

[@notangel1004]

@@flickonyoutube3908 I’m fucking 💀 dead

[@macmiller9510]

@@ulysses1320 Accidentally gave the torch of the assassins to him

[@TheRyno95]

Still disappointed that shay never made a appearance in unity or at least have arno investigate who killed his father

[@chrisumana7644]

I hope we revisit already established assassins like Connor for example and his follow up game is styled like RDR2 is the premise is Connor is now retribution on Shay for betraying the Assassin's brotherhood in the colonies and it starts out in the colonies but branches out into the frontier and ends with Connor putting down Shay and calling a him disgrace and misguided idiot

[@TheRyno95]

@@chrisumana7644 that would be interesting though i doubt ubi will ever do that especially with Conor, maybe with arno but with they're doing now with the witcher/mass effect knock off route they are doing i doubt we'll ever see that. As for the other part shay wasn't misguided, the colony brotherhood was and becoming very corrupt with their disregard for the innocent and flexing their power thus compromising the brotherhood especially with the building of a public gang that tormented the people they were "protecting" i honestly doubt connor would ever go after shay except to mark him off as a target but I honestly doubt he would. Arno on the other hand would probably hunt him down and try to kill him for revenge which i could honestly see being stopped by connor who understands shay and what he had to do because the America brotherhood was a overall danger to the world

[@chrisumana7644]

@@TheRyno95 arno should get the right to kill Shay i wonder by time he sought out for his father killer Shay would of died of old age i say Connor because on how ubi took time to develop the colonial setting i felt the colonies still had a lot to offer

[@fgoren63]

Brothers. Ubisoft became shit after making AC in a stupid ass rpg game with bullshit grinding for just leveling up your gear. So it is hard to see our favorite style of ac games again..... tbh i feel sad 😒😒

[@davidj3841]

@@chrisumana7644But shay is a good guy

[@acdragonduck]

Shay kills assassins, which births more assassins. Ironic

[@aldrichhf35]

He really doesn't care about the future assassin's, he just wanted to kill whom he work with Before. If the assassin's get birth again he would just run away

[@edbacaneli5350]

Arno would become an assasin anyway

[@Cafearmuire]

Well, in the same way, Vader killed many Jedi too.... Only for his own son to become one and start a new order.

[@AgustinY98]

Dummer assassins but assassins at least

[@memecliparchives2254]

@Ryan Kwon A better one in fact instead of a simp that causes mass destruction.

[@MarkoVuckovic32]

So I first played Unity and then Rogue. Imagine my surprise when I realized what Shay was about to do by the end of the game.

[@secondheaven9545]

That must have been a massive mind blow for you. I hadn’t played unity but knew the beginning already, when I finally got to Versailles, my head went crazy.

[@PUNISHERMHS_2021]

Yeah same

[@csbanki]

I played Rogue first but Unity was already out and I knew who Arno is. So when I walked past the kids... Yeah, I know how you felt.

[@dreammmr]

sameeee, mind blowing 😵

[@macmiller9510]

@@secondheaven9545 me to I got mind blowing to

[@wackywoohoopizzaman316]

Too bad when Arno and Elise are talking you don't see Shay walk by

[@farisfaizzal9825]

Or probably they forgot to put shay in the cutscene

[@allaincumming6313]

I like to think they showed just what Arno was paying attention at, and how stealthy/efficient Shay was.

[@srguapo3158]

That's why they focused the camera on Arno, Shay passed behind Elise you just don't see it

[@Lancehendrix813]

@@farisfaizzal9825 HIGHLY doubt that since the main part of that childhood scene was basically about shays killing

[@shelbypowell9919]

They may well have not been able to build his model.

[@siddarthrs8318]

I like how we simultaneously played as connor, shay, and arno canonically

[@uraveragehomophobicdude2643]

Yep

[@AJ-jq3hm]

You could include Aveline as well. Shay mentions how she killed the templar Baptiste in New Orleans.

[@NiCoNiCoNiCola]

You should also mention Edward, Haytham and Adewalé

[@ronny20k15]

@@NiCoNiCoNiCola he meant like all in the same year

[@NiCoNiCoNiCola]

@@ronny20k15 oh, that's fair?

[@jazzschneider4407]

I wish in the cut scene in unity where Arno and Elise are talking to each other, it would briefly show Shay walking by. That would've been cool

[@damn_train4769]

I am thinking that too

[@edgardovillena9234]

Same

[@jackofalltraids2690]

Same

[@lokeshwar6083]

Then see we were such a bad stealthers,and shay was too good to avoid them

[@COOLPEAK]

It did

[@crvptrvp]

"I'm the one who took the apple" oh Arno, you wish..

[@kevinflynn2910]

Actually first apple was in Valhalla aka Connors apple of eden

[@a2t4r75]

@@kevinflynn2910 that’s not the first apple at all.

[@kevinflynn2910]

@@a2t4r75 oh that wasnt the first apple then which previous assassins creed had the first apple base game or dlc included

[@a2t4r75]

@@kevinflynn2910 AC Odyssey, AC Origins

[@salman_rudro07]

@@a2t4r75, lmao. He ain't talking no more.

[@rekonzuken1]

3:39 : Forgot old skill, jumping over fence. 3:42 : Acquire new skill, climbing over wall.

[@96visual]

Lmao

[@teresahoffman6041]

Genius😂

[@blackfox7448]

Bushes, the strongest obstacule for a ex-assasin

[@minihalkoja590]

People are complaining how we didn't get to see Shay walking past Elise and Arno, but I'm complaining that we didn't get to see Shay fail to jump a fence.

[@IbytheGOAT]

Damn they even mention Connor from Ac 3 shit feels like the avenger verse

[@gabriel_alemdoaquario]

"Avengerverse" lol

[@snehilsundriyal9104]

they were actually talking about achilles's son connor, as the timelines do not match if they are talking about connor kenway

[@robertofernandez1368]

@@snehilsundriyal9104 his son and wife died from a fever 😐 the time lines are correct

[@snehilsundriyal9104]

@@robertofernandez1368 no, i mean charles said that connor has undid your Templar business in america in 1776 but connor's story didnt end until 1782, maybe im wrong but i just read it somewhere now i dont remember

[@MOH-ph3qm]

@@robertofernandez1368 actually I think he was talking about Connor Kenway because he mentioned how Connor and his assassins and how the American Revolution undid the Templar's work

[@smallishwhale5377]

Assassins creed Unity, the game where frenchmen have british accents

[@ragingexodus]

@P Henry it was because they thought players would have trouble understanding French accents while playing

[@claudespeed3020]

You can't forget that he's playing the game in english language, it doesn't need to have french accents. And the real language they use in the story, is french

[@samirleandrorodriguez4865]

Play it in French??? Honestly it's kind of annoying that people keep complaining about this when they can just change the language to get that "historic accuracy"

[@claudespeed3020]

@@samirleandrorodriguez4865 yes, people are so annoying, they ask for accuracy, but play the game in english. Do they really belive native 18th century French people spoke English daily?

[@alfieburns9019]

@@claudespeed3020 Well in any previous AC title they spoke in the accent for what country they are in.

[@aalennn1]

This is what today assassin creed is missing, the surprise crossover which makes us realize that everything is connected.

[@der9430]

Actaully in valhalla there are quit a lot of ac easter eggs und crossovers. Especially of the older ac games + origins.

[@Xthis1s4youX]

To be fair that's not that easy, the 18th century had a lot going on, that's why you get to play 3 consecutive generations of the same family, not to mention Benjamin Franklin appears in many of those games. Right now they are setting up stories in more diverse eras, which aren't really connected by themselves. Maybe if they did a couple games on the 19th century they could connect to syndicate or unity, maybe the Napoleonic wars or the American Civil War. But then it would probably get too focused on one single era, when Assassin's Creed has always been about a timeless war of universal ideals.

[@priyanshupriydarshi7673]

Actually there is one in Odyssey's dlc. Where we get to know that aya belongs to Kassandra's/Alexios's bloodline

[@Justforamoment0608]

You haven’t played odyssey

[@robbydutta6521]

There are crossovers in all the latest ACs.

[@rigby3283]

Shay is probably the most badass Templar thanks to his background of being an assassin.

[@jvpascual3211]

S tier yes but Haytham is better

[@whydoyoucum4244]

Haytham is way better than Shay

[@irvanasril2235]

@@whydoyoucum4244 of course. Haytham is the mentor of shay

[@rajeevkunapareddy1182]

The problem with rouge is that they just showed assassins as bad guys who kill innocents. I hope they make a rogue 2 where assassins are the good guys but we see the true reason to why templars believe in their order so much.

[@usuariodesconocidoi]

@@rajeevkunapareddy1182 you are rigth, Assassins in Rogue are showed like bad guys who do the same things templars did in other AC Games

[@rinkagamine1621]

Fun fact: in the Assassin’s Creed Unity book it goes into much further detail about Elise’s background and how she became a Templar. Élise actually met none other than Jennifer Scott (Haytham’s sister, Edward’s daughter “Jenny”) when she was younger on a Templar spy mission and they ended up becoming good friends. Jennifer wanted to end the Templar/Assassin feud (the poor girl’s been through a lot.) So she handed over the letters she and Haytham sent to each other over the years where he documented his hopes for the future that the Assassin’s and the Templars could unite and finally end the War. Of course, this didn’t happen because his son Connor (an Assassin) killed him first. Élise, moved by these letters and what Haytham had to say, agreed with his Philosophies and decided she would carry out this work out for him instead - promising Jennifer she’d do everything in her power to end the Templar/Assassin War. It’s heavily implied that Élise’s mother and father also had similar plans for the future, so it would make sense as to why the Templar Traitors would plan a hit on the Templar Grand Master’s wife and child (which failed), get their hands on Haytham’s letters (so they could be destroyed) and then kill the Templar Grand Master himself. (Of course Élise’s mother dies of an illness in the end, Élise’s father is murdered at her party and then they push Élise out and try to murder her as well.) Anyway they’re very good books and I love how they all link together so well! … I do find it awfully ironic though that Élise is connected to Haytham through his sister, who’s then connected to Shay, who’s then connected to Arno as his father’s murderer, who’s then linked back to Élise. It’s gone in a full circle!

[@theotaku2813]

Thanks

[@bruhtendr392]

can you tell me in what order I should read the books?

[@aryasrivastava0]

Damn!!

[@alphahunterd]

oh wow! that's a lot of context! I wonder if Arno's dad would be against that or not. Would Shay be? Hmm

[@matchababy8485]

It would have been nice if they did that connections in the game. It’s going to be so much mindf*ckery and good intertwining storytelling. Imagine Unity with that plot as well in the game.

[@OdisFlexer]

I'm glad I played Unity before Rogue because this moment caught me completely off guard.

[@DickensCidersMug]

Bro same, I’m just now seeing this after so many years😱

[@youdononeetokno]

What you be your expression of things then if you had played rogue before unity? I'm curious 👀

[@OdisFlexer]

@@youdononeetokno Let me put it like this Rogue before unity: You play as Shay and he goes to kill Arnos father who is at the time just another target to assassinate, you move on, the story continues directly from there in Unity. Unity before rogue: You experience Arnos fathers assassination you finish the game, play through Rogue and then show up in Versailles, you think wait Versailles, what am I doing here, you progress through the area...wait...is that... is the target Arnos dad?.... it is. you proceed to assassinate your dad. Knowing who it is before you kill him just makes it more personal.

[@youdononeetokno]

@@OdisFlexer oh ok.

[@badreedinedjellali1328]

that's why I wanted to ac Rouge and unity

[@youtubeuser1427]

if only arno SAW shay walking away then he would probally have a good memory of his killer

[@Did_you_expect_a_name792]

If even guards didn't notice a man walking away while others are going to only one way so how arno was going to remember him even if he saw shay

[@youtubeuser1427]

@@Did_you_expect_a_name792 true

[@toxpov3612]

@@Did_you_expect_a_name792 he has eagle vision?

[@Did_you_expect_a_name792]

@@toxpov3612 hmm maybe

[@claudespeed3020]

Arno was blind by Elise's beauty

[@HiddenOne2007]

“Old Connor and his assassins” nice.

[@m.unalercan8920]

He refers to buisness, as old buisness not Connor

[@ReikiMaulana]

@@m.unalercan8920 you don't refer business with "his"

[@jim_2570]

@@ReikiMaulana bro it was Shay: "just finishing old business" Charles: "Old, Connor and his assassins..."

[@CKainn]

@@ReikiMaulana you misunderstood

[@menharawatson]

He said: old, Connor and his assassin's

[@majorknight859]

I played Rogue after Unity. I was always bummed I never knew who killed Arno's dad. Then came Rogue's final mission. I still hadn't made the connection though. But once I heard a kid saying " I'm Arno. I'm here with my father" I legitimately lost my mind. I was like " Shay, you son of a ..." I still did what had to be done though

[@dmgroberts5471]

I also played Unity first...and I've got to say, I didn't care much for Arno, so when I realised Shay was the one who killed his Dad, I thought is was hilarious. Good job Arno never found out, for his own sake.

[@marcussouza-mv3yz]

It's 9 months late but AC Rogue shows shay as a normal Assassin in first but the colonial Assassin's Creed was getting corrupted by their own greed, shay did that choice of becoming a Templar because he knew what's going to happen, shay is neither evil or good, he is just a guy, a Rogue.

[@vonxoliver]

Everything happened for a reason, there is no Arno without Shay, there is no Shay & Connor without Haytham, and there is no all of them without Edward

[@demoliman]

Shay killed Adewale AND Aron’s father. Goddamn

[@ShayPatrickCormac911]

@@demoliman yes, I am like this

[@burgbass]

This was when the plot of the AC games really shined to me imo. As cool as the whole idea of every AC game being a whole separate character and backstory it was neat when things were so heavily tied together like they did with starting with 3 and onwards to Unity, it keeps you intrigued.

[@godzillazfriction]

Well origins and odyssey are good ac games but I can't say the same with valhalla

[@iwantpizza5021]

@@godzillazfriction valhalla is amazing in terms of lore and story, can't say the same with odyssey though

[@user-lp7tx1fe6t]

That magic has been lost in today’s AC games and their shabby attempts at being RPGs

[@prodICYN]

@@iwantpizza5021 valhalla barely has a story bruh

[@Freelancer837]

It's a tradeoff. They needed something to replace the modern day story that connected them all by connecting the past stories

[@HritwRaje]

1:50 when Arno says "that's forever!", and knowing what happens next, this sends chills through my spine.

[@alexoliveira8957]

Eu não entendo o que ele está falando XD

[@gabrielmelo4764]

​@@alexoliveira8957 ele disse que vai demorar pra sempre, e lê estava certo o ponteiro nunca chegou lá e o pai dele não voltou pra ele

[@Tron-xc2pj]

8:08 If Shay's character could be added and walk past those children in the scene it would be really cool in my opinion

[@darthrevan5609]

You know if you listen closely past the music you can hear Shay walking, or at least I assume someone's walking

[@mayeelathem8486]

It takes a long pause when elise says her dialogue and you can hear footsteps So yeah that was shay

[@DetaiIist]

But what if some players ran through there and some players just walk by? I think that was the reason they didn’t show him because every player could pass that part differently.

[@bondopiranishvili670]

Shay wasnt even invented yet unity began development in 2012 but it coild still been shay walking ​@@DetaiIist

[@dogextra9948]

Shay :- iconic speech Arno :- mentally brokendown

[@paularies5276]

If Only Arno was waiting in that chair for the time, and listend to his dad, he would have saw shay killin him or atleast stoppd him from doin it in open.

[@farnabazat5395]

Shay did the good job

[@ogyganteng]

i wish elise didnt come to arno

[@jeeyoengada5365]

"All you have to do is wait in the damn chair, Arno!"

[@sleazy_voiceovers]

@@jeeyoengada5365 I understood that reference

[@atastydonut]

Yeah... Charles turned his back to Shay and was focused on looking for Arno, if Arno stayed in the chair Charles woulda had a fighting chance.

[@FraserSouris]

I always loved this aspect of Rogue and Unity. Seeing the end of 1 game directly lead into another and also showcase the next generation.

[@bbestbilala]

that's how ezio's trilogy was, especially II and brotherhood, except that the protagonist is the same.

[@GourmetPickle]

I like how Edward would put on his cowl and Shay would pull his collars up in areas of conflict, but they just have Arno wear his 24/7.

[@Bananasnotasong]

While that's probably just poor development, I like to think that it reflects on their characters. Eddie wasn't a born-and-raised assassin; he came into it out of necessity, and views it as something he wears when he needs to. Likewise, Shay wasn't always a Templar, and likely has growing pains when relying on his Assassin training to further Templar interests. But Arno, out of need for revenge and purpose, makes the Assassins his everything. He wears the cowl at all times because without it, he's a scared little kid with a stolen apple and a broken watch.

[@elseggs6504]

@@Bananasnotasong they literally explained why they did it one of their demos. Youre having an english teacher moment here

[@Bananasnotasong]

@@elseggs6504 Well forgive me for not knowing everything. What's the real reason then?

[@elseggs6504]

@@Bananasnotasong something among the lines of making you feel like a real assassin. Altaïr never put his cowl down. I think Ezio only did in cutscenes. The cowl covering their faces is kind of a trademark after all. I know its also the reason they deliberately removed enemies from rooftops.

[@CErra310]

As he should. The hooded robes with eagle beak tips are a cast-iron part of the franchise's iconography and should be omnipresent.

[@theprofessional155]

just tell Connor his first name was CHARLES Dorian

[@Grafite949]

Didn’t expect to see you here lol

[@marcosbradanovic9100]

Yo!

[@crimson1million]

GIVE ME LEEE!!

[@normal47712]

Plis explain

[@Anska5126]

@@normal47712 Throughout AC3, Connor doesn't really embody Assassin Ideals until the very end. His Mentor was Achilles Davenport who was wounded and left broken at the end of Rogue and Mentor Achilles didn't train Connor that much. Only to have Assassin skills and not the ideals. So all throughout Connor is hunting the man who destroyed his village and killed his mother purely out of revenge and that man is Haytham's Templar Apprentice: Charles Lee. So all the way through AC3 Connor is just running around shouting "WHERE'S CHARLES LEE!?". It's just a well crafted joke with the coincidence that Arno's father is also named Charles because knowing Connor he would have left to kill him after simply hearing Charles and not bothered to learn what the last name is, effectively chasing and killing the wrong guy

[@fyrijou5202]

Imagine if Unity truly was an AC Game that united different AC Games. You could’ve had Arno be the assassin of this game, meeting and being teached by Connor who came to France to search and kill Shay. You would have AC3 and Rogue combined within Unity

[@AGamer0515]

That would be an amazing unity sequel

[@gresho5353]

It was called Unity after not only the multiplayer aspect, but also the french motto, Unity, Equality and Fraternity

[@maxime1409]

@@gresho5353 Dude the french motto is "Liberty, Egality, Fraternity"

[@gresho5353]

@@maxime1409 oh right, my bad then

[@jomcueto980]

Shay would make a better antagonist in Unity than st. Germain

[@alejandroflores7170]

They should’ve made Shay the villain for Unity. It would’ve created a great protagonist vs antagonist dynamic. Especially since we had Shay’s origin story already.

[@enemdes3735]

Ubisoft messed it up

[@dmgroberts5471]

Except Shay would kill Arno. Shay's a near impossible challenge for even the best Assassins, and Arno's a chump.

[@j751]

@@dmgroberts5471 Have to agree, Shay was trained his whole life Arno only trained for a couple months.

[@jeremytesticleman1607]

​@@dmgroberts5471 I wish killing off the protaganist was more of a common occurance. Too few stories in media do that.

[@Clackerus]

Shay wouldn’t fight Arno unless he had a really compelling reason. Arno has 0 pieces of Eden that are a threat (the sword is just a normal sword now) so there is no reason for Shay to fight him. Not to mention Shay would absolutely body Arno

[@woozywookie1457]

Unity was one of the best in the series. I was one of the lucky ones who never experienced a bug on PS4 and it was a great time

[@youdononeetokno]

I also never experienced bugs when I played it on Xbox.🙂

[@youdononeetokno]

It was also my first AC game before I became a fan of the franchise😂

[@fastcar544]

*worst

[@ogeraldo1388]

@@fastcar544 Odyssey

[@Batman-hb9dh]

Me too

[@eizlaniskandar7946]

I just wish Arno can take revenge on Shay but Ubisoft dont like character sequels

[@antoniolott5453]

Except with Etzio...here’s characters that need sequels: Arno and Shay, Connor, and well YALL ask who else y’all think should have one.

[@noriakikakyoin1423]

@@antoniolott5453 Edward deserved a sequel as a proper assassin

[@antoniolott5453]

Very true we didn’t get to see what he did as an Official Assassin

[@Fastwalker27]

@@antoniolott5453 Bayek should have gotten a sequel , and actually could have But Ubisoft chose y make odyssey instead

[@adamadamus221]

@@antoniolott5453 ...and Bayek

[@brennerdivino8670]

"May the father of understanding guide us all."

[@youdononeetokno]

Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.

[@mobinxd]

Assassins:⚪️ Stay blade for the flesh of a innocents Hide in plain sight Never compromise the brotherhood. Templars: 🔴 Of the all the principles of our order never reveal our secrets never reveal the true nature of our work Do so until death whatever the cost.

[@adrielanonymous]

@@mobinxd meanwhile Shay recited both

[@Sekaidestroyer]

@@adrielanonymous Talk about character development lol

[@alexoliveira8957]

Belas palavras

[@KrypticCowboy]

Such a shame Ubisoft never gave us another game with these characters. Another game focusing on Shay, Arno and maybe Connor would have been cool. But Ubisoft ambitions with unity failed on a technical stand point, giving us syndicate and then the reboot with ac origins moving forward. :/

[@Justforamoment0608]

Syndicate was amazing, origin was honestly one of the best AC games

[@GustavoHR115]

Syndicate is very underrated

[@aaryansingh7704]

Imo if they decide to release a connor focused ac game he would get love from the community. Many love connor but he also gets tons of hate. I am still not over ac games . Origin ,Odyssey and valhalla are good but they are not ac games.

[@ifacecamp717]

@@Justforamoment0608 its a shame so many people dislike Origins because its rpg. The gameplay is alot different but the story is still good old Assassins Creed

[@Rapscalian]

@@Justforamoment0608 yeah but it shouldve been more assassin focused thats when they started to dwelve into the rpg like state that it is now but still liked it

[@anubhavbhattacharya3277]

Would have loved to see a dlc where Arno and Connor go after Shay , since they both had issues with him .

[@toxpov3612]

by the time Arno was an adult Shay would be like 70, so he'd probably be dead.

[@anubhavbhattacharya3277]

@@toxpov3612 actually no , because Arno was 8 when his father died. At that time Shay was 45 . So by the time he reached 20-22 . Shay would be around 61 . Ezio was in his late 50s when he went for masyaf and he still gave the Templars a run for their money. So would have been interesting to see what could have happened .

[@toxpov3612]

@@anubhavbhattacharya3277 well either way, Arno, a master assassin would have needed a very good reason to leave the brotherhood and travel to America, but also considering what he saw pursuing revenge do to Elise, I don't think he'd be willing to do it.

[@toxpov3612]

@@anubhavbhattacharya3277 also he'd have a tough time finding him, as Arno and the assassin's didn't know who killed Arno's father.

[@anubhavbhattacharya3277]

@@toxpov3612 that can be a thing . Plus we all know how massive a simp Arno is. Went on to look for the person who killed his gf's dad instead of his own dad .

[@who9782]

I'm still wondering how no one noticed Shay do that

[@shroud5875]

ya

[@PUNISHERMHS_2021]

Plot armor

[@ct__vishnuanil1393]

That's the quality 🔥

[@aldrichhf35]

Its just ac stealth, as long as a guard dont look at you while you are stabbing someone its fine

[@AnthonyFrye12]

It's called a hidden blade for a reason lol

[@VegasJedi97]

“Perhaps we should start a revolution of our own” Did Shay have a hand in the French Revolution? Edit: I’ve read many of your opinions and speculations and honestly I think it’s just safe to say that Ubisoft missed out on an opportunity to include Shay in AC5 and for Arno to potentially get revenge.

[@june1884]

All templars did, if you pay attention to Unity’s story. They raised grain prices and more to get the masses to blame it on the monarchy

[@VegasJedi97]

@@june1884 Who exactly do you mean by All Templar’s? Because I don’t think Shay was ever mentioned in Unity except for tht one outfit u get

[@matthewmarsden5354]

@@VegasJedi97 just cos his name wasn’t mentioned, doesn’t mean he couldn’t play a hand in it without revealing himself to the public

[@VegasJedi97]

@@matthewmarsden5354 I see what ur saying, but if you put it like that it could also sound like Shay had no involvement at all. My question was directed more towards any evidence anyone has found, not speculation

[@shroud5875]

I feel bad for this little boy :( did you feel bad ?

[@mr.dystopian5554]

I feel the timing is a little off. They could have extended the dialog between Elise and Arno some more.

[@ashley347]

It also seems that Arno's father is already killed when Elise and Arno have their conversation. Which Shay heard cause in Rogue he walks by when Arno and Elise say the exact same lines. Which doesn't add up

[@BK-uc4fu]

You guys know right that this is the animus? So these are only their memories. They both have different memories of this day so thats the reason it doesnt match up.

[@ziadahmedsamy]

@@BK-uc4fu blaming the animus for everything, do you work for Ubisoft? Lmao in all seriousness though this isn't a bad job in any way but it could've been better. Unity should've had a DLC where Arno kills Shay.

[@Simplystimulating]

@@ziadahmedsamy hmm

[@raulcalimann7738]

​@@ziadahmedsamy if you search well enought nothing is perfect and thats pointless to argue about lmao

[@jakkuwolfinsomnia8058]

I have to agree if Shay walked by in Unity that would’ve sent chills down all our spines

[@henryjones2766]

Or imagine in rogue and unity while arno is running arlund he bumps into shay and theres a quick exchange in dialogue "Sorry sir" "Thats okay little one" Then they wander off neither knowing who each other were

[@jakkuwolfinsomnia8058]

@@henryjones2766 exactly

[@thatboyakira4202]

​@@henryjones2766but WE do.

[@DetaiIist]

But what if some players ran through there and some players just walk by? I think that was the reason they didn’t show him because every player could pass that part differently.

[@thatboyakira4202]

@@DetaiIist uuuuhhhh... That logic doesn't apply. It's a cutscene. Cutscenes can Retcon everything, as long as it's not BS.

[@privatehudson516]

1776 was the end of Shay's journey, the peak of Connor's, and the beginning of Arno's. Too bad we will never get the conclusion of all 3's character arc.

[@arthurnarse9275]

True

[@SaltyCalhoun]

Crazy story: When I first played Unity I stopped after the apple part, IDK if it wasn't running well on my PC or I just wasn't interested in staring a new game, but sometime later I decided to playthrough Rogue. So when reaching the end of Rogue and starting Unity again I just happened to start right before Arno finds his dad dead, right after I killed him as Shay. Fuckin wild

[@connordervoncyberlifegesen8529]

Perfect timing.

[@morse2511]

Bro somehow making the connection even better😂

[@andreasottohansen7338]

Rogue is personally my favorite AC, so on the one hand i think it is great that Shay's outfit is in Unity. Though it is pretty freaking weird that Arno can wear the outfit of his father's killer.

[@darklex5150]

Yeah well, it's just an animus thing and thats it.

[@darklex5150]

Yeah well, it's just an animus thing and thats it.

[@andreasottohansen7338]

@@darklex5150 I know, i know, it is still weird to me. though less so than if he actually wore it

[@Killshred256]

You can also wear Arno's outfit as Shay in Rogue on the nintendo switch which is just as weird

[@andreasottohansen7338]

@@Killshred256 Wait really? God that is funny and fucked.

[@dragon501000]

6:56 "Gentlemen I'll protect this artifact with my life" Unfortunately for him life only lasted 15 seconds lol

[@bartolomeestebanmurillo4459]

Arno's VA actually referenced this scene, in his view he doesn't think Arno would go after Shay likening it to how Ezio let Borgia live because it wouldn't bring his father back.

[@EhBoing]

Unity being my second favourite game in the series, playing this section blew my mind as I had never played Rogue up until fairly recently; really shows just how entwined some of these stories are without you realizing

[@Tenn_v1]

I just got done playing Unity. After Charles died, i wondered who killed him. I knew it was an assassin, but i never knew who. It blows my mind how this happened between the two games. The dialog, the outfits, the accuracy between the buildings and other things around that were somewhat classified as small detail is a huge detail. I havent had my mind blown at a game since Noble 6 was the one who practically gave Cortana to Chief

[@Noone-jy6em]

So well connected games..... At 4:54 you can even see Arno running

[@Ridwan-vb8nm]

wow nice detail

[@meatballs7047]

"Ill guard this artifact with my life." Completely dies 10 seconds later

[@_paleman]

it turns out he didn't lie

[@renzotkac1236]

damn, this is deep than i expected

[@InnerThought49]

Back when assassin's creed gave a shit

[@bigfoot5725]

?? They didn’t even bother with the modern story

[@toxpov3612]

not too sure about that considering how god awful the AC unity story was

[@sleepingconscious6110]

Always a dumbass comment like this smh this is the shittiest ac fuck outta here😂

[@bard8023]

@@toxpov3612 at least it was about assasins, now i don't even have any hope after oddysey, and Valhalla came out.

[@rodanandme]

odyssey is goated, it took the best part of Syndicate which was the "choose the playstyle best for you" approach, its not odysseys fault if dumber people didnt bother with any stealth

[@connorwilson1431]

I played Unity then saw my brother play Rogue and was only half paying attention then looked up when he was outside and asked "You in Versailles?" I was pointing at the screen recognising certain areas then I saw the two kids talking and before they even mentioned their names I was freaking out then I saw him in the corridor with the target and was blown the fuck away. Rogue after Unity is the best play order

[@wut1337_]

Freakn love Shay. Imho hes one of the greatest characters in this series.

[@kevinflynn2910]

Also Franklin talks to Connor and Haythem as well as Shay but doesn't mention this so Franklin has been in both AC3 and Rogue

[@holycrusader7649]

Edward was my fave he just so fucking epic man

[@tommerker8063]

@@holycrusader7649 propably an overrated opinion, but ezio is my favorite, edward is awesome but i feel like they rushed his story too much. i realy don't buy the immediate jump from "i only care about myself" to "everything for the greater good" that happened towards the end

[@Igneeka]

@@tommerker8063 I felt like it was slow enough, it's a realization that Edward starts to have way before Mary dies as everyone around him is dying (or left him) and he has nothing left to fight for, he already knew the assassins for years but just needed time to understand them and their creed But I do prefer Ezio too, you feel to attached to him, seeing grow from some horny teenager to a wise mentor and I feel like it won't change unless another protagonist gets multiple games

[@arthurnarse9275]

I agree

[@carlcunningham7750]

Wow, watching the two together I see stuff I didnt see before- I never noticed the guy cleaning up the dropped dish

[@TheHammerGuy94]

for a little context: these 2 missions are set in 1776 Connor is actually just 20 years old this year (also most of the events of AC3 is still ongoing, since the height of the American revolution was at 1777) Arno's dad calling connor as "old" might be a mistake noticed he paused after saying "old"? what he was thinking about Achilles as the mentor of the colonial brotherhood, so he was supposed to say "Old Achilles and his Assassins" but he rembered someone else took his role and switched to Connor instead

[@DEEZNUTSTV]

Shay spoke too soon literally 5 years later Haytham and Charles Lee are killed by connor

[@sugarette_burn]

Damn, i chocked my head thinking on this but i finally understand (played both AC3 and Rogue)

[@cybercriminal3110]

He repeated after Shay saying "OLD business".

[@thatboyakira4202]

​@@DEEZNUTSTVin Rogue, he is taking about Achilles son, not Connor Kenway

[@samirraza9069]

Nah bro I don't think Charles was referring to Connor's age probably just a saying similar to just saying good ol' Connor defeated your comrades in America.

[@Jakethesnake2007]

The only thing i noticed that bugs me is the uniforms of the French in unity its blue coat but rogue there white with some blue

[@aboodbb8774]

The one in shay is more historic accurate because that was the french soliders uniform The one in unity could be a memory failure from abstergo or the game developer simply wanted to put those models early

[@Jakethesnake2007]

@@aboodbb8774 cool info maybe they didn't care or like the other uniform better

[@annualleopard3063]

Wow thats actually so cool. I appreciate how you interweave the two stories rather than just showing them one after the other. But Holy shit I can't get over how bad Shay's Irish accent is

[@lyraleen1504]

The portuguese/brazillian dub of shay its better

[@conradg7273]

Idk it’s not the best but it’s semi accurate for a son of 2 immigrants but I’ve always thought he was northern Irish but his families actually from Dublin

[@alexrodriguez4083]

I actually like shays voice

[@krrishsharma3828]

He's Scottish not Irish

[@annualleopard3063]

@@krrishsharma3828 No he isn't. And even if he was Scottish, the accent would still suck lol

[@Josh_Judge]

This game came out before unity right? I wanna see how people reacted when they played unity and realized what was going down

[@bluedestiny88]

Both games came out the same day. Rogue sold the least number of copies in the entire franchise and most didn’t know if it’s existence until the dust from the Unity launch issues settled

[@kroy7881]

@@bluedestiny88 And it's funny because rogue is one of the best stories in the AC franchise

[@legendofswords]

Unity caught all the attention. Rogue to everyone at the time was just a ps3 and 360 title and didn't have a pc version for a while

[@michaelbilotta1567]

@@gugitia no, it didn't. Black Flag was in 2013, Rogue and Unity in 2014

[@gugitia]

@@michaelbilotta1567 you're right mb

[@thehopefulyetdoubtful3656]

It would've been cool if Shay was the main antagonist of Assassin's Creed Unity, since he hinted at starting a revolution or in this case the French Revolution.

[@michaelcross9720]

Instead, we got this lame and forgetable Germain. Imagine Shay wielding the sword of eden as unity's boss fight

[@caj2582]

Ah yes shay who lives in America giving a shit about the French

[@cdragonVII]

Wow that rendition of the ac2 theme at 03:18 was absolutely beautiful and what’s missing from the modern games they just don’t have that old school assassins creed nostalgia anymore

[@juanur4722]

shay is hands down one of the most badass characters of assasins creed series, and definetely the most lethal one

[@manuel.j4507]

Connor 🥇

[@m1co294]

Unity had the greatest opportunity to, well, unite both III and Rogue in its story. Well, I guess Arno had that opportunity, instead him and the game are so focused on a romance that detracts from the story. How could Arno miss Shay? All 6 foot of him walking past with guns and swords plastered all over him? Shay stood out like a sore thumb. If he had remembered Shay's face and had done his research on the Templars present in France around the time of his father's death... or just research on Templars in general as how a decent Assassin should, perhaps he'd have recognized Shay and drew a very plausible conclusion that it was him that killed his father. Arno would've travelled to America, where Shay would've went to since it was his home, and seek out Connor there, perhaps a visit to the homestead. Both have reasons to hunt down Shay: for Connor, it's because Shay, together with his father Haytham, annihilated the Colonial Brotherhood that preceded Connor's own. For Arno, despite Shay being in his 60s by the time he's a fully fledged Assassin, Shay is still his father's killer and a Templar too, raising his own children AND grandchildren to follow in his steps. It's either both will coldbloodedly murder an old man or perhaps they'd end up realizing that Shay wasn't as bad of a person as they thought he was and maybe show clemency, Shay only ever wanted the safety of the precursor sites which had the ability to destroy entire cities. Arno would've realized that his father's death might've saved many lives despite how tragic it was and Connor would've learned of the errors and downright corruption of Achilles' leadership, begin to understand why he was so reluctant to train him and possibly use that knowledge in improving his own brotherhood. Both Arno and Connor have experience siding with Templars and saw for themselves that the other side could still be quite noble too: for Arno it was his adoption by Francois De La Serre, his treatment of Arno as if he was his own son and his goal to unite Templar and Assassin to bring about peace, and to an extent his romantic life with Elise too which in my ideal AC Unity would've been sidelined in the main story. For Connor, it was his discovery of his father's detailed journal (AC Forsaken) and of course his little adventures with his father as well. Them sparing Shay is not too far off. All of what I fantasized could've happened after the assassination of Germain, which itself would've been way shorter had it not been for the stupid romance that dragged the story out for so long. What a wasted potential Unity's story was, it could've been THE Assassin's Creed game, it would've blown the Ezio trilogy out of the water and into the mud had it been that Ubisoft handled the story correctly and of course kept it in the oven for longer.

[@nicoo_pache]

You know it's almost everything wrong with a game when a random guy's idea of it is far much better than the actual bloody game itself. Too bad you were not the ac unity director at it's time of development😂

[@samirraza9069]

I had always imagined a game with Connor, Aveline, and Arno fighting in the Napoleonic Wars, hunting down a very old Shay and Napoleon. I thought maybe instead of making Syndicate, we would get a game spanning all of Europe with these 3 MCs and also London being one of the primary locations. Maybe make a plot where Napoleon gets the Apple which was sent away to Egypt and uses it to find out about the Shroud of Eden. Would've possibly been the ultimate AC game wrapping up 4 whole games.

[@mattandresen8793]

Always thought Rogue was super underrated and overlooked. That ending always gave me goosebumps.

[@Waxy_K]

3:17 guys that little quiet-ish tune sounds like it's from AC 2

[@smit_1449]

Yeah it does

[@kevinflynn2910]

It is!

[@PUNISHERMHS_2021]

It's the main theme from Assassin's Creed Rouge

[@GG-jt8st]

@@PUNISHERMHS_2021 no its Ezio's Family by Jesper Kyd

[@PUNISHERMHS_2021]

@@GG-jt8st In a way you're right, Ezio's theme is basically the theme for the franchise at this point. However I am correct, that is AC Rouge's main theme kzbin.info/www/bejne/op7PdKiah5h9hs0

[@sirruadhri3316]

I hate how they have Shay pass Arno and Elise talking and then a good 5 or 10 mins later Charles is dead, but in Unity they have that same conversation between Arno and Elise and then suddenly Charles is dead Btw the guards change attire out of nowhere too

[@stopgenduh1690]

Well did you really want to watch two kids talk for ten minutes before anything interesting happened

[@sirruadhri3316]

@@stopgenduh1690 Fair enough, lol

[@noob_k]

But still no ac can beat unity’s graphics

[@odabranisoj1997]

And Unity's stealth mode.

[@pingaspearce9403]

@Ryan Walker I disagree. The grit, textures and massive amounts of blood trumps the other ac games. This game is the best looking game of the franchise and the other games absolutely pale in comparison

[@Leon_SKennnedy]

@Ryan Walker I love Valhalla but honestly it can sometimes look cartoony, and the colours can look over exaggerated. I think both Unity and Valhalla look better than each other at a few times.

[@omasmusic]

i think syndicate is even better

[@davidj3841]

@@pingaspearce9403 Bruh syndicate is a direct upgrade

[@fredericleclech1623]

6:21 Shay meets youngs Élise and Arno.

[@screaming_cat_]

Bro this memory in rouge near damn made me cry, walking by the kids knowing you're about to kill Arno's father was really sad, especially when he's this young and innocent.

[@arthurnarse9275]

Yeah, sadly

[@e-dogtherealdog3888]

Why didn’t Arno hunt his fathers killer? Imagine how cool it would’ve been if Arno went on a mad hunt for shay, It would’ve made so much sense for Arno to do so, but no, Elisè’s father is so much more interesting.... not, I can’t even remember the story of unity because of how boring and not interesting it actually was. Bad story but game looks good

[@e-dogtherealdog3888]

@Reyansh gamer he was in his 50’s at most, by the time Arno was around what 20 something he would’ve been around late 60’s to 70’s

[@toxpov3612]

@@e-dogtherealdog3888 how's he gonna find an assassin who killed someone 20 years ago when he had absolutely no clues, just to stab an old man. also people didnt live that old back in the 18th century.

[@PUNISHERMHS_2021]

@@toxpov3612 it's a game, some liberties were taken

[@toxpov3612]

@@PUNISHERMHS_2021 yeah but they weren't lmao. it didn't happen.

[@callumwarren3342]

@@toxpov3612 there's also magical apples and spooky spirits in the AC games. Lmao

[@gatoxgalacticos2165]

man i remember ending rogue and like some months after that i played unity and holy shit that just blow my mind

[@jasonfrancese8359]

Man, this was such a good crossover. If Unity had just been given the time to cook it needed, we could’ve gotten a trilogy even better than Ezio’s. Arno’s story could’ve spanned from the French Revolution to Waterloo, with him falling in and out of favor with the Assassins and Templars, finding and killing Shay, maybe seeing where the American brotherhood went in the years since, and finally ending with a story set some time later, maybe with him founding a faction opposing both groups to set up who would be the ones to ally themselves with against Hera in the final game that will never happen now.

[@ReikiMaulana]

I noticed a lot of AC fans are saying that the last good Assassins Creed was Black Flag.. I'd say they slept on Rogue and never even gave it a try. Shay's story and character was definitely one of the most interesting in the franchise. The reveal at the present day ending was pretty good too.

[@KotaTheGreatest]

I forgot how amazing Shay's voice is 😍

[@IssDiddy]

idgaf what anyone says, shay is my favourite character in the franchise so far

[@deathsticks1776]

Hell Yeah, AC rogue has to be one of my favorites, and Shay’s transition to Templar Assassin hunter is logical

[@imcolbie]

Hell yea I love ac rogue

[@Anonymous-fn8nj]

Yeah rogue is actually one of the better old games. Shay was actually a very good charakter

[@johnlock6565]

Fuck yeahh

[@cjoven3621]

People who say he was a backstabbing prick probably didn't even understand him

[@hughjanus9489]

I wanna see more of shay. It says he died in his 80s so there plenty of more adventures for him

[@El_Snipercrack]

That uniform guards its diferent Ubisoft: diferent ANIMUS XD

[@Vertutame]

Animus is a program to recreate the past of sequences, the details are not their priority That's why even gender doesn't matter The only old people that's confirmed to be female is kassandra as she lives and died in 2018[2400+ years old]

[@draco2864]

Wait I just realized when Shay says “perhaps we should start a Revolution of our own,” he’s talking about the French Revolution in Unity caused by the templars

[@chizy2671]

This is so trippy walking past a young Arno - they need to make a game where Arno goes and avenges his father and they could also visit Connor cause shay still needs the apple

[@TheHammerGuy94]

Arno's actor canon: Arno knows that avenging his dad won't change anything. for the same reason why Ezio killing Borgia won't bring his family back

[@chizy2671]

@@TheHammerGuy94 yh ik but i just to see arno and connor together

[@cardedmaster5393]

@@chizy2671 shay might be dead by the point Arno is old as shay kills Arno dad in his 50s but we don’t know much what happened to shay after that he might’ve just left the order

[@yoshikami7625]

@@TheHammerGuy94 it doesn't have to change anything. A misconception about revenge is that you do it to change something or to make you feel better. That is not its purpose. You take revenge because you judge the other person as deserving to be done the same offense they did to you. Simple as that.

[@adelbechtoula]

AC rogue was short but it connected black flag, 3 and unity together perfectly if only shay made an appearance in 3 or unity or at least been mentioned it would've elevated his character even more

[@denholmsinclair3483]

I wish Ubisoft did this more for main games. The end of one game is the start of another. Would be good to see Arno and shay fight

[@matthewriley7826]

I kind of wished Ubisoft had developed a game where Shay and Connor would finally meet and continue the conflict. But the way assassins creed games are going nowadays that’s probably not going to happen.

[@AquaFan1998]

I love how this is a direct link between two eras. Desmond in 3 linked the first and ezio games to the kenway saga and now with shay linking the kenway saga to the modern games :) i hope this link keeps going

[@ember8609]

Bruh I think you should play AC Odyssey with complete dlc it will blow ur mind

[@georgeetboom7719]

Im currently playing Rogue and not wanting to kill his dad. Hopefully there is an easter egg where i don't have to if i wait long enough😭😭😭

[@xzjulio17]

This is true? I can't find nothing in KZbin.

[@georgeetboom7719]

@@xzjulio17 i left the gane running for about half an hour no luck

[@xMurdererr]

@@georgeetboom7719 shay makes his own luck

[@swagmuffin1612]

I played rogue before unity and I'll tell you when I got to play as arno at first, I was like "dang!"

[@georgeetboom7719]

@@swagmuffin1612 wish i had, been surreal

[@AdityaYT]

Omg I wish Shay was the main villain in ac unity reeeeeee

[@davidj3841]

But Shay is a good guy he can't be a villian reeeee

[@AdityaYT]

@@davidj3841 yeah but villain as in the killer of his father, not a leader of an evil organization who wanna fuck with the world

[@davidj3841]

@Michael Kiely Did you even play the game? The assasins caused a worldwide catalcismic event that killed millions.

[@csbanki]

@@davidj3841 That reason was actually pretty weak. The Templars also wanted to get the artifact, and would have caused the same if they got there first. Also it wasn't something the Assassin's were aware of so it's kinda dumb to make that the only reason he betrayed them.

[@iatnehmaster8132]

@@csbanki Shay strait up warned them about it and they wouldn't stop and Haythem wanted nothing to do with the precursor sites

[@TheHammerGuy94]

when you realized... Arno's dad was looking for arno on the chair he sat on. so he was distracted by Arno missing and he dieded looking for him. which fuels arno's guilt that he caused his dad's death. and it doubles down later when he indirectly caused his guardian's death, Elise's dad.

[@sayantanpaul2159]

Great synching of the two games storyline ... hats off man🤩

[@joelANJ]

And this is why Shay Cormac is one of the most skilled Assassins/Templars I have seen in the creed. Nobody saw anything !

[@TheWaluigiman1]

Weird how around this time there was 3 AC protagonists living at the same time.

[@cheesuschrists]

Everytime I come to this sequence, I always walk up to Arno and Elise talking and just stand there awkwardly for at least 15 seconds before moving on

[@MuzammilParkar16]

Imagine if Shay walked behind them while they were talking in Unity

[@dead_emerald]

I played Rogue and when I started Unity I though "We start in Versalles palace. It makes me remember to the end of Rogue". When I saw Charles in the ground it was like "Wow. Ubisoft made 2 games perfectly timed, one with the end and the other with the start"

[@anthonybarrier4649]

I had played assassins creed unity prior to this game (don’t ask idk why either) so when I walked by Arno and Elise talking my heart freakin g dropped. It was only then that I knew what I was about to do.

[@LordVader1094]

They really should've had Arno/Connor going after Shay in Unity or a DLC at least.

[@yaro42]

"Then pherhaps we should start a revolution of our own" Chills

[@danielclocktower2366]

If only Conner and Shay had a fight would’ve been epic..

[@hellenicboi14]

Connor probably went west with the native tribes I like to think.

[@RaRmAn]

@@hellenicboi14 He stayed with the brotherhood

[@mindvox7554]

Connor would just rip Shay into half.....

[@beauberry6179]

@@mindvox7554 As if. Shay has Assassin and Templar training and he knows the tactics of both. He would bodied Connor easily even when he's old.

[@therealbrendanc9905]

@@mindvox7554 i don’t think Connor can even beat his grandfather he had more experience himself fully asssasin and half pirate

[@j.k.1900]

Even after 8 years, Unity still looks great!

[@bulbasaurwashington5196]

"The American revolution was an amazing set up for an AC game" France - 7:40

[@bigotis9042]

It's amazing how good unity's graphics still look today

[@bensimmons3011]

4:05 “ah yes let me raise my collar, i will be totally disguised”

[@lazytazy6191]

playing rogue: mission passed playing unity: 😭😭😭

[@ogyganteng]

copied

[@lazytazy6191]

@@ogyganteng No, It's not true.

[@ogyganteng]

@@lazytazy6191 yes, its true

[@KTA1sVidsandFacts]

Damn shame we never got to have Arno encounter and defeat Shay.

[@brunotonyoli9408]

I am Shay Patrick Cormac, Templar of the colonial, of the American rite.

[@youtubeplsbringbackdislike5312]

Arno been playing way too much Skyrim he thinks that 20 guards will be concerned about an apple lol

[@kathijabeeviheerajan5379]

I played unity first , when i play the final rogue mission i was too stunned to play,I feel bad for arno.

[@mohamedlakoma929]

Nah' you did your best.