She was always sus... | Kat Blaque

[@kandiboi8802]

The slur that Shannon used was "fakeboi" not fuckboy (sorry if I misheard you but I think u said that). I think its cuz on lolcow there is an entire section for "fakeboi"/ftm (as well as mtf too). Its super disgusting n rly goes to show how much she hangs out around those 4chan type of groups to use that type of language. didn't even know that site was still up till this drama :///

[@KatBlaque]

yeah someone else told me that and that makes way more sense.

[@gorimbaud]

That makes a lot more sense! I was boggling over that bit, because I've only seen fuckboy as basically a shorthand for "dude who doesn't respect women".

[@TheCoolmaster131]

@@gorimbaud it's more so a "slutty" guy.

[@gorimbaud]

@@TheCoolmaster131 I've never heard it used that way.

[@martinamiau6069]

@@gorimbaud fuckboy is a guy who only is interested in sex generally associated with aesthethics too

[@wonderfulkitty]

I feel like your analysis on anti-pedophile activists applies to all social justice tbh. Activism isn’t about being the most moral person in the room. It’s about helping others.

[@AWindy94]

*stands* 👏👏👏

[@dannysday2001]

YES thank you

[@menufrog]

it's also a Qanon dog whistle

[@patriciomg9740]

what video was that ?

[@googleisakhunt8773]

Lmao no you activists help nobody by bullying others to post black squares

[@t_ylr]

It sucks on another level when people who claim to be allies are outed as bigots in their private life. Like it makes you really not wanna trust people.

[@deViianceTV]

That’s why I don’t trust people who use tags and make call out posts against any prejudices cause more than likely they’re just doing it cause it’s a trendy activist thing to do… this has started to become more prominent since last year.

[@smurfette_blues7922]

Cynical. It makes me cynical :(

[@lyrablack8621]

Unrelated but your pfp is awesome

[@eldritchtourist]

I wouldn't be too cynical, because there are still patterns here. Look beyond whether people are using the right progressive language. You need to really, really carefully watch out for excess cruelty and smugness. It's a strong giveaway. There are a lot of people who are constantly on the look out for socially acceptable people to bully in public, while in private they'll bully anyone and everyone. Even in ourselves, we have to watch and make sure not to unconsciously fall into these things, sometimes it just gets normalized and escalates. It's really dangerous.

[@t_ylr]

@@lyrablack8621 lol thanks :)

[@kelleyreeves965]

I always thought her aggressive self-deprecation to be super pandering. It's like she knows that a lot of her viewers have lower self-esteem, and thinks if she plays the part, it'll throw any people that sense her ego off her trail

[@byrnetdown6076]

yeah I agree I have very low self esteem and I know she had me tricked (till she made that video about Jaclyn hills dad '-')

[@AWindy94]

Yea. That's kinda how she got me. You hit the nail on the head I think.

[@k3upikachu]

Same! It was just so over the top to the point of hyperbole; i.e. it seemed super insincere

[@skyetrapp5511]

Yep absolutely, it was so very obviously pandering specifically targeting an extremely young audience and hoping they wouldn't catch on or realize she's a full grown adult woman preying on them.

[@BigBoywiththeSkullface]

YES thats the same vibe i got when she would overly praise other creators tbh it came off as super fake

[@Rainjojo]

I feel like her “I stand with you” persona and how she used the “angry black girl” card to put another creator down is what really made me turn away from her. I saw how manipulative she was using misinformation to support her claims, along with acting as a voice for those of us who are black/poc on issues she doesn’t know. It’s no surprise to me she was caught with a bunch of dirt, but stalking, CP as revenge, and doxxing is a crime she should be in jail for. I don’t wanna see no apology because it sure won’t be worth it considering that her ego is still too high to make one 💀

[@ooostarb3rryooo]

I hope she legally gets held accountable, because what she did was fucked up.

[@aoki556]

she did WHAT I didn’t hear about that :O

[@anne853]

@@aoki556 Yes, from EmilyArtfull's video, it sounds like Shannon leaked nude pictures of a 15 year old, drug addicted Emily. Shannon also allegedly stalked and harassed Emily for years, got her fired from 2 jobs, and doxxed her own sister's Twitter.

[@koppsr]

My guess is, that Shannon told friends to NOT support her in this, because she knew it would be an epic Shitstorm and because she didn't want to burn bridges once she comes back. Course let's face it, she will. Grey sweater y no makeup, the whole nine yards. Someone with an ego THAT big? Absolutely!

[@aoki556]

anne853 no I know about all that I’ve been watching ALL the videos, but I’ve not heard one person mention this black girl anger thing til now !

[@norak8080]

thanks for the point about people "standing up" against p*edophiles... i don't know the situation in the US or other countries, but in germany, literal n*zis (like, not right wing people, i'm talking about neon*zi organizations) are very vocally against p*dophiles, rallying to execute them and such. it's such a universally agreed upson topic that it can be used to signify morality to lure in new followers

[@ladygrey4113]

Reminds me of how Qanon folks actually got called out by orgs that help CSA victims and trafficked folks during that “save the children” thing (also they stole the name of a well respected ngo that helps children in disaster areas and war zones even they had to give a statement on the thing). Right wingers can be contradictory on child abuse, they’ll say they hate pedos as one should but then you got folks like occasional libertarians who casually slip in stuff on Romeo Juliet laws or lowering the age of consent. I get kids have sexualities and all that but folks like that French author that wrote about his exploitation of children publicly since the 70’s, and only just got threatened with arrest a year ago, with the whole veneer of “child liberation” will always make me debate grabbing the nearest object to bludgeon them with.

[@FairyGodFather125]

I'm at a point where it seems to me that all this "think of the children" rhetoric is just hypocritical and/or a facade to legitimize hatred and discrimination of minorities, especially towards queer people.

[@archer4424]

Yeah, that’s how it is in a lot of places unfortunately- same here in Canada. It’s usually a farce to convince people to join you, when what you do is harming not just children, but all of society. Like hypocritical virtue-signaling

[@Amelia_Lisette]

Seems to me that being anti-paedo is so baseline that it barely needs to be mentioned. I sometimes wonder whether or not the bad faith extremists who bang on about it aren’t doing it for a reason. It kind of reminds me of those anti LGBT types who are discovered to be closet cases …

[@zaferoph]

MAPs exist and a certain group of people are trying to make MAPs valid under LGBTQ. MAP stands for Minor Attracted Person or in English, p*edophiles. Am I saying it makes this reasonable? No but I am saying you're ignoring those groups existance while talking about things specifically relevant to those groups.

[@emilyartful]

This is an amazing piece and amazing video Kat! I was so focused on the art that I had to go back and rewatch to listen to your commentary again.

[@CovensAgainstTheThrone]

We hope you're doing well ^-^

[@junebug77544]

I hope you are doing well!!

[@orchishmamukherjee5250]

Hope you're doing well, Emily!

[@urgayuncle6082]

We send our love and support Emily ❤

[@Apostrafi]

Hi Emily

[@mintjaan]

I'm always hesitant against following people who are obsessed with child predators, because the majority of the time they don't actually care for the victims-- just the fame that comes from catching "the baddie".

[@Iquey]

Yeah. And the QAnon people multiplied this whole thing to a 1000.

[@trashwithanxiety2922]

yeah it's the "think of the children!!! !" kinda thing,,,, like,,, are you actually thinking about the children?

[@kaitlyn__L]

Not to mention actual predators do it as a smokescreen too… so people who are obsessed with it are statistically more likely to be one than in the general populace.

[@IronEarthDesigns]

And have you noticed how the victim gets trashed in a number of different ways? The victim's story gets separated from the person and weaponized by others with other agendas? And then ancillary people and organizations are making money off of that experience?

[@jadecantfindthispassword]

That’s certainly the case with Lio, Hopeless Peaches, Ms. Zi Zi

[@dmitryboardman9762]

Shannon just started to feel really nasty and immature to me. The absolutism, the nearly buzzword-style use of popular slang, and the condescension that defined her tone made her feel violent, fake, and superior. It's the impassioned and wholly unhelpful young person's activist mindset of black-and-white morals and loud, aggressive, argument combined with Shannon's evident special mix of insincerity and malice. I wasn't annoyed by the self-deprecation at the time, but the immature and mean touting of ideals made me unable to keep watching. I'm thus not very surprised she turned out to be so disturbingly disingenuous and malicious. I'm just relieved a bad creator finally gave me red flags after I've been fooled too many times.

[@briannawaldorf8485]

This! I used to follow her like 2-3 years ago snd just quit because she got too negative and absolutist. Like she’s constantly raging and screaming. I hated it

[@Felly1992]

Thats it. I followed and watcher her too till last year smt around December I think. Her tone got so condescending and passiv-aggressive rands. And it got worse and worse.

[@marinaclemente8652]

Yeah, I was getting that feeling too. I fully stopped supporting her after she made an attack video on Karuna Satori. Both were in the wrong when they had their twitter fight, but Karuna privately apologized to Shannon in the end. Shannon then decided to make a KZbin video where she paints Karuna in the worst light. Shannon misinterprets everything Karuna was saying, implies she's still anti-vaxx, and showed Karuna's private apology to make fun of. Petty manipulative mean girl behavior.

[@greenlean8890]

@@marinaclemente8652 Even before all this came out, if I had read your comment 3 months ago I would still have agreed. It was easy to see something was wrong, which is why I never really supported her. This whole situation is not surprising in the slightest.

[@thoticcusprime9309]

just look at her hair

[@lekiscool]

I think people who have had a history of abuse have this gauge of “this doesn’t feel right.” I am at an age where if something triggers “this doesn’t feel right.” I no longer analyze why I feel that way, I just step away from the situation.

[@stephaniemoore8013]

Same here

[@IronEarthDesigns]

Yes! Yes! Yes! Learned this the hard way.

[@beckyboo1001]

Absolutely agree with everything you said Kat! One thing - one of the words Shannon used was "fakeboi", not fuckboi. "Fakeboi" is apparaently prominent on terf forums disparaging about trans men, calling them fake

[@KatBlaque]

Yeah I literally had no clue that's what the word was until this comment section.

[@heysfb]

I was going to comment about this too. I thought I saw "fakeboi" meaning like they aren't "real men".

[@SilverQuartz13]

Looks like they use it for afab nonbinary folks and trans men who present androgynously or feminine.

[@Sasygigikitty]

@@heysfb Well it's kinda true though, in a biological stand point of course. 🤷

[@caitlinlouise7354]

@@Sasygigikitty no, it’s not. There’s so “biological stand point” because your biology isn’t your gender. There are no fake men. Trans men are, in every way, men. Why do you feel the need to “well… actually…” trans people? If that is your first comment when discussing trans people you clearly don’t care or respect trans people 🤷🤷🤷

[@Mandi_mayhemm]

when you spoke about the way she handled tough subject matter you said it better than i ever could. I never jived with her because she always seemed way too happy about taking people down, instead of being focused on helping victims or sharing their stories.

[@missiamtwinkles0169]

Yesss!! She never seemed too invested in these issues that she brings up. She just self loathes for 10-20 mins n then doesn’t have enough energy for the rest. I found her two years ago n left that ass two years ago 🥶

[@yuenmienyu]

she was so fucking aggressive. and since when did she give screenshots, reasoning or proper commentary? lmao

[@owl.feathers]

As a nonbinary person, I struggle massively with internalized transphobia. Even though I would probably be willing to physically fight somebody over trans issues, I still have transphobic feelings and gut reactions. So cis people being very confidently pro-trans has always made me feel... I don't know... self-conscious, I guess? It always made me feel morally inferior, like, "Why can't I just get over the transphobic brainwashing like so-and-so has?" But I guess I should have realized by now that oftentimes the pro-trans attitude is a front. I _would_ rather have cis people being confidently pro-trans than anti-trans, but I also wish those same people would talk more candidly about the implicit biases they are probably hiding. We all grew up in this bigoted society and we all have to deal with this internalized shit. And I'm really tired of all of the reactionary, tumblr-esque social justice posturing that prevents people from having real conversations about this stuff and having room to grow.

[@KaiNatalya]

Ik you posted this three years ago but im binging kats channel today and i just wanted to say this is such a beautiful comment and so well said!! You’re not wrong that we all have been subjected to the same gender stereotypes and ideas and we have to be honest with ourselves and each other in order to grow. I hope you’re doing well today! 🌸💖

[@louloudaki_]

“and she didn’t want to hear that her husband was abusive” as someone who just got out of an emotionally abusive relationship that i was in over my head invested in, uhhh yep can relate like everyone was uncomfy around my partner and i was like the “this is fine” meme

[@beth7935]

Same :(

[@shaleamontanez4591]

When everyone around you knows this person treats you shitty and you are the one trying to make everyone get along. Worst mistake of my life

[@teddy.3225]

Same. It's a weird self protection thing I believe though.

[@annaparthenopaeus1574]

csa survivors know good and well how little people care about victims. attacking pedos is usually just used because it's an acceptable outlet for violence and hostility (traits some people don't want to admit they have)

[@nannybells]

yes, exactly :|

[@NingyoHimeDoll]

I knew she was a terrible person when she chose to attack a trans woman who is a survivor with very few followers just minding her business making trauma art & submitting it to trauma-related projects.... and creepshow decided to call her a pedo and put a spotlight on her and send thousands of harassers her way. People like creepshow are some of the most dangerous to CSA survivors.

[@abby6215]

YES YES YES! All people want to do is talk about how much THEY hate it, not about how to help/ support victims, not how to prevent it and not how deal with the aftermath. I’ve legit seen people talk about how they wish the gov would kill all pedos and then turn around and blame young girls for being molested. 😡 This whole convo is about the image people have of a pedophile. When it comes to abusers in their own communities a lot of people just don’t give a fuck! 😡😡😡

[@kaitlyn__L]

@@NingyoHimeDoll that’s so sad :(

[@ash5779]

@@kaitlyn__L except when you realize that same artist “heals” by drawing + distributing cartoon cp ???? cuz fetishizing your & others’ sexual abuse is totally healthy ➰

[@Psychwriteify]

You nailed on the anti child predator activism...it's the most "this tells me nothing about you" good take ever. If I'm watching a calling out a child predator video I'm still going to be scared of clicking on that reccomended video where the same person talks about almost any other issue.

[@sonicthehedgegod]

my introduction to blaire white was her confronting onision with chris hansen lmao

[@rebeccabirch6130]

So, let me get this straight. This person was someone who like, went after artists who made gross art and called people out for drawing uncomfortable shit... But then her husband had ACTUAL pictures of an ACTUAL minor (I googled the situation because I hadn't heard of it) and she KNEW about it??? And then she's like. Transphobic on top of all of that?? WTF?

[@CreeketsCreek]

Also im confused as hell because i could swear she had a girlfriend. Am i stupid

[@epheoko]

deflecting-deflecting-deflecting, baby!

[@humanpotat0113]

@@CreeketsCreek CSA says their pan, so that might be where you got that from? Or the "Amy" video (talks abt her "stalker") and it makes it so she sounds like she's on amazing terms with them to the point where their friends.

[@mammamia3346]

Add stalking 😬

[@Rosemary46840]

So basically a classic case of right-wing projection which is the case every single time

[@devigarcia3782]

the perfomative activism part always hit me the hardest being black and also trans, especially now in social media during quarantine. i loved your commentary and your art

[@froufroudeluxe]

I love how you use a digital medium and still nail the look of a traditional illustration in pencil and bistre That’s organic as hell. Awesome work

[@KatBlaque]

Aw thanks! That's very much my thing

[@riinamandariina]

I was looking for the words to say this, thank you for wording it so well!

[@MJ-bf2ty]

The thing about Emily's video that was so captivating was the message of: I wasn't a good person, but even so I didn't deserve to be treated this way. And that is so powerful.

[@Dionnnnz]

i did find it incredibly perplexing when she befriended her stalker, I even started to think I should be more forgiving lol. also low key found it hilarious how she had videos sponsored by VPN spoofing companies and ironically was exposed because of IP address being the same across multiple accounts

[@infinitivez]

It's just called VPN companies. Spoofing is a old method of sending data over the internet without a return address. VPN's act as a proxy of sorts to hide your true IP address using a secondary network to tunnel traffic through bidirectionally. None the less ironic as you got the majority right. Here she was saying she used these products, and in fact.. never did, lol. And we're all better for it!

[@DrakonisOrdo]

@@infinitivez My understanding of it was that she DID use them at times - but it didn't matter, because the site's *cookies* tracked these things. So even if she used VPNs at times, it still all linked to the same browser and computer - she wasnt exactly clearing her cookies constantly or such

[@deltasaves]

@@DrakonisOrdo she was sloppy in trying to hide herself and then blamed "Amy" for all of this. CreeperArt felt she was the smartest person in the room and those folks never think anyone could know better than them.

[@gwendalynnwatkins1296]

And that's probably what she wanted. "C'mon guys, I forgave this person who stalked and harassed me for almost a decade, can't you forgive me for this one small mistake I made?" Over and over and over, just gaslighting her audience

[@turningrobot]

The stalker video was definitely one that had me questioning her honesty. I remember noticing in the comments section of the video that she was mostly liking comments about how her stalker was a terrible person and she shouldn't have befriended them. So, it was clear to me that she hadn't forgiven her, or was actually her friend. And then there's the whole thing of her not keeping *any* receipts. If what Emily says is true - and she actually has receipts to back her up - then she most likely made that video to stop Emily coming forward about Shannon stalking and harassing her for years. Which is soooo messed up

[@lauraarauz8638]

What you said about the self deprecation thing is absolutely the reason I stopped watching her too. To me it always came out as her being disingenuous or "fake humble". It always reminded me of Shame Dawson whole "sensitive" persona.

[@samspam1788]

Omg you hit the nail on the head. It made my skin crawl to constantly hear her whine about how she's dumb and stupid or whatever

[@Iquey]

In the early 2010s at my art school, we called this "humble bragging".

[@tomato5499]

She seemed to go on and on about it too, rather than a quick joke

[@pembrokelove]

It’s kind of funny to me that you called this specific issue out, but I quit following CSA when she posted that Amy video. Why? Because I felt like she was lying at best and spreading a dangerous narrative at worst. I am a victim of long-term stalking where I had to move hundreds of miles and change my name, legally change the person who I am, twice. TWICE. It has impacted my life in unimaginable ways. I’ve lost a huge part of my community and connection with my past because it’s just not safe for me. It is wholly implausible to me that she would befriend her stalker. I didn’t believe it at all and, if I could even consider for a moment that it is true, it’s very, very unsafe to push the narrative that it’s “normal” to BEFRIEND your abuser. Forgive them? Fine. Sometimes people extend forgiveness for a variety of reasons, including their own personal healing. But to care about them, befriend them, worry about them… I’m calling it out. No. Fucking. Way. Being stalked for so long makes it hard for me to truly trust people in my life who HAVEN’T stalked me and who I have literally no reason to mistrust… how the fuck you gonna hang out with someone who so fundamentally damaged your ability to trust.

[@KatBlaque]

Yeah. To this day, I pretty much only mention my stalker in person at speaking engagements. That part didn't sound truthful at all.

[@suoutubez19]

The part where she said that she befriended her stalker and “doesn’t want to harm them” was definitely bizarre. Stuck out to me as well. It all sounded like she was patting herself on the back for being such a good person. I hope you healed after that horrific experience and are in a better place 💖

[@latcha1424]

I also found it odd that she stuck around her stalker. I have not been stalked, only harassed by an ex for a few weeks, and I wanted nothing more than for that ex to leave me alone and go about their own life without involving me in it. I've never seriously considered inviting them into my life in any capacity, especially not to befriend them. Everyone responds to that kind of trauma differently but I've never heard of anyone that actively invites someone that hurt them like that with the intent to settle down and be friends with them.

[@pembrokelove]

@@Stardustuk to be clear, I definitely didn’t comment or call her a liar in her video - just quietly quit watching her. I would never question someone’s story like that unless, like now, there becomes a wealth of information and proof to suggest that it’s not true. It just makes me sad.

[@pembrokelove]

@@KatBlaque I’ve never heard you talk about your stalker that I recall (yay for brain injuries!), but when you specifically mentioned that point - befriending your stalker is not a thing - I figured you had some kind of history there. In all of thr videos that have been critical of her, almost no one hones in on that. My theory? She’s sort of playing out the fantasy in her head that she and her victim could be friends some day. Like. I think she is as much motivated by jealousy of her victim and wanting to be more like her as anything, and so she tells this story of befriending someone who did all of this and still being friends with them so that she can cosplay it happening for her. All it shows an actual stalking victim, though, is that she cannot imagine the sense of violation she has inspired in her victim.

[@jellosapiens7261]

You talking about people using opposition to pedophilia as a shield reminds me so much of QAnon. If you try to call out any of their bullshit, the immediate response is always, "but we're against pedophiles, we're trying to save the children! Are you saying we shouldn't pursue pedophiles?" and the whole conversation becomes about that. It's incredibly fucking tiring

[@Dutch3DMaster]

It also becomes an easy thing to target people that oppose Qanon members with: "So you are in favor of pedophilia?" The whole "If you are against us, you are in favor of the thing we combat!"-narrative is pretty scary because of how much it limits a possibility to have a discussion, but also the ability of people on their side to shame anyone immediately for that.

[@heatherlee2967]

Appreciate how you focused on Emily admitting her past actions are still her own.

[@flashofpink]

I always appreciate your nuanced views on difficult topics. Thanks for sharing your thoughts Kat ✌🏻💗

[@alliejewelle]

pretty unrelated but your art is on point!

[@KatBlaque]

Aw thank you!

[@k3upikachu]

Seriously! The anatomy is also way more accurate than certain other artists who shall not be named

[@dabading2860]

@@KatBlaque fr, next time Im doing a digital drawing, Ill come back and use your way of shading as reference ^^

[@humanbean852]

It is really good. The body especially

[@barrymchugh667]

Definitely!

[@felicityb93]

Whenever people say shit like "we can't say anything publicly anymore", my first thought is what are you saying that people are consistently ganging up on you (from your perspective) and trying to ~silence~ you?! Cause yeah, we can talk about the way that cancel/callout culture has made some folks scared to not put the whole of their opinion out on the internet, but like... If it's to the point where you feel like you can't *anything*, you need to do some introspection, my dude.

[@felicityb93]

@@PrinzessKennY I'm fully aware of the way marginalized people are silenced, because I am one. I am speaking to people in majority groups like white cishet conservatives are always bitching about PC culture or cancel culture.

[@panonymousbloom5405]

I'm fully with you but... I've also seen people on twitter getting ganged up on because they posted a "?" so maybe that fear ain't all that without reason lol

[@felicityb93]

@@panonymousbloom5405 I literally said that in my comment, but since y'all seem to be lacking in reading comprehension and critical thinking skills… I can acknowledge that there are people who have been ganged up on on social media for silly and innocuous things. I have been one of those people. In fact, I think it's absolutely pertinent to the conversation that we do discuss these instances that cancel/callout culture harms the people that its supposed to be protecting. However. There is a cross section of people who are *consistently* (key word) complaining about cancel/callout culture censoring them. Why is that?! Why do these people feel like they're consistently being ganged up on for speaking their mind?!

[@felicityb93]

@@PrinzessKennY If you didn't understand what I was trying to say, you could've asked me to clarify. But instead of doing that, you left a snarky ass comment. Which is why you got attitude.

[@panonymousbloom5405]

@@felicityb93 first of all, fuck off for the attitude. Go take a walk if you can't take people disagreeing with you, even in a freaking joke form. Also, you literally didn't say that. If you lack comprehension of what my point was - I disagree with the point of "if you feel you can't say anything, you need to do some introspection". It's not that people are afraid to put out their opinion, if you're sensitive to others disliking you, you can literally be afraid of posting anything on the internet because people will gang up on you for just posting a "?" or "using a wrong tone". You will be ganged up on tt for using popular phrases because "they belong to *whatever social group*". I personally don't give a shit but I imagine a more sensitive person feeling like they can't post anything without getting backlash and I can't say I don't see where they are coming from. I understand that it's probably more targeted towards people posting dog whistles and shit talking but it just doesn't have to be the truth. Not in the current days at least.

[@mushroomshrub]

The last video of Shannon's I remember watching was her rant about the "cartoon network cannibal." The original posts were quite clearly a bit (I think Jenny Nicholson actually mentioned the user was a personal friend with a thing for exotic meats that she liked to riff on) but Shannon went off on her hard for "normalising cannibalism." It rang just so incredibly false to me for kinda the same reasons you talked about wrt pedophilia. Cannibalism is such an instinctual squick that it can never be normalised, and yet Shannon sicced her following on a random twitter user under the guise of protecting people from it. She acted so certain that the original tweets were doing widespread harm when in reality when viewed with proper context, they were just slightly off colour jokes. I'd been an on/off viewer of her stuff as occasional background noise when her videos showed up in my recs, but that was the point I realised her babbling was pure moral grandstanding to fuel her own ego/content rather than a genuine desire to help anyone. Once you've seen through her schtick once, the pattern of deliberately playing into people's natural revulsion/anger towards subjects like pedophilia/cannibalism/racism/etc to create emotive content becomes blindingly obvious. Also damn, your art is lovely.

[@Aliasfakename123]

The Shannon vs Chris Hansen hypocrisy was something that bewildered me at the time. I was like "sis, this is your 3rd live stream this week incoherently raging about it while collecting super chats... how can you be mad about someone else profiting off of this" Not that Hansen is some superhero, but it was just that fake aspect you mentioned Also your art is lovely!

[@basiI]

I wholeheartedly agree with you on the performative activism issue. That was one of the things that upset me the most when finding it the truth about Shannon. The entire time I supported her I thought she was an ally and truly cared about us. The situation with her misgendering her sibling was like an extra slap in the face. I’m non-binary, and to find out that she won’t even respect her own sibling’s identity just really pissed me off. I’m so upset with myself for ever supporting her.

[@lazyartist8792]

Same here it was like a punch in the gut when I found out the truth about her

[@archer4424]

Yeah I feel this, but try not to beat yourself up for supporting her, aight? A lot of us did because she created stuff that helped us or fostered a community where we felt safe, and it’s not your fault that a content creator a lot of people thought was good and supportive turned out to be shit. Even though it’s understandable to be upset that you supported that, because it feels like maybe you aren’t as good a person as you think you are because “how did I not see this coming”, it’s not something you should _blame_ yourself for (easier said than done, I know, but still) Hopefully my wording makes sense lol, but I do hope you’re doing okay

[@lunah33]

"people who talk sh*t are... not particularly talented" that is absolutely the nicest way you could say that

[@deloto8004]

I'm a cis pansexual black woman. Even though it hurt a little to hear someone say I assume that most cis allies aren't true allies, I can understand it. It's similar to how we know that a lot of racist people behave normally to your face, but behind closed doors they feel that they can unleash their true feelings. I wish that people weren't so hateful. The human race has a long way to go towards becoming truly tolerant.

[@oghenbread3330]

hey, if it makes you feel any better, im trans and white and being trans has helped me to understand why someone might find it hard to trust white people even when they seem to be allies. i just have to remember they have every reason to be skeptical. idk why but your comment made me feel a little less alone in trying to navigate this weird space of learning to be an ally and how other peoples' experiences shape their expectations and all that c:

[@manifestationsofasort]

Tbh I don't know if there'll ever be a time where there is true tolerance for all. There will always be some group left out because society just straight up doesn't care.

[@briannawaldorf8485]

Satan's Butthole that’s a doomerist perspective. Look at how far we have come. 70 years ago you couldn’t come out as trans without complete snd total shunning of society. 100 years ago you would be imprisoned. 150 years ago we didn’t have the medical technology as an option (though of course people who don’t medically transition are still valid). Society has progressed immensely in even the last 100 years. Don’t give up hope

[@CreeketsCreek]

I dont know. Sometimes allies are also people who are trying their best to/are in the process of getting rid of hateful thought processes. Not everybody is either a perfect super-tolerant angel or a fake who expresses their real sentiments behind closed doors. Sometimes people have bad opinions, yet are ashamed of them.

[@KrissyMeow]

@@briannawaldorf8485 This.

[@marocat4749]

Secretly trashtalking is one thing, but its really not hard to not be transphobic and not be rassist.

[@crunchylettuce]

@@wolfetteplays8894 the secretly trash talking compared to being racist/transphobic? racism and transphobia? no matter the case, all of those things are rude, if you really needed it shoved in your face. i think the real message here is that it’s not that hard to be nice.

[@BlackParade727]

@@wolfetteplays8894 that's literally what they're saying lol. They're not correlated. So she had been trashtalking which is bad enough, but you can at least do that without being racist and transphobic and she didn't.

[@azalearose1917]

yikes whether or not you are secret about your “trash talk” doesn’t change the fact that you’re still trash talking those which you feel transphobic or racist towards...hiding that shit doesn’t make you not it. You’re still those things.

[@midnightnavigator]

For some people it's really hard to not be those things. I'm not sure why, but it seems to be a huge struggle. Even not expressing it seems to be a struggle.

[@a.a131]

@@midnightnavigator Because of psychology, they learned that way and its difficult to go out of it, that's why most racist/transphobes)/lgbtphobes...etc are old people

[@Oobs212]

Hear hear to not being that surprised that Shannon did what she's being accused of. One of the videos that got me to ultimately unsubscribe from Shannon was the one about the artist with a long running inside joke about being an ethical cannibal, and I remember Shannon being so i n c e n s e d about it. To add to that, title of the video was something like "Cartoon Network hires cannibals". To include an artist's place of work while trying to cause a moral outrage seemed intentionally malicious and petty to me. I think that that's pretty much when I unsubscribed.

[@delicateghoul]

I think it was "cartoon network hires aspiring cannibal" to make it seem like this is someone actively trying to perform cannibalism. I did not watch that video, this was around when I gradually stopped watching her content cuz it was becoming draining to me and I couldn't quite place why Edit: also knowing that Shannon intentionally tried to/did get Emily fired from multiple jobs for no reason other than "felt like it", it seems she is continuing this trend with trying to get other artists fired for no reason as well. That's gross

[@morganalabeille5004]

God that situation was so fucking shitty. It makes me mad just to think about.

[@orchishmamukherjee5250]

I subbed to her when I watched her Nads6969 vid, unsubbed when she made her Jaclyn Glenn videos bc she sounded too aggressive for me. Like she was a literal trash person who was seeking attention and manipulating us into agreeing. As someone who's notorious in friend groups for self deprecation, I definitely don't use it as much as Shannon, so the way she does it (ironically) rubbed me the wrong way. For me it's only a joke in small amounts, and a serious problem that you need to talk to someone about (a therapist, mayhaps?) if you do it as much as Shannon does Edit: fixed minor typos, seems like I can't spell at 8 in the morning ffs

[@Oobs212]

@@delicateghoul yeah, that part of Emily's video really had me notice a pattern. She seems to have the philosophy that she can take the lowest road because the person 'deserves' it while still believing she is a moral authority? Extremely weird and backwards to me

[@paytongregge5358]

My breaking point was when she accused several poc drag queens on spreading underage revenge porn of another drama youtuber with flimsy evidence and then backtracked when she got called out (and considering some of the things Emily Artful discussed in her video...)

[@Nublet864]

Yeah CSA is not motherly at all to me. It actually was a bit if a shock to realize that during this drama that Emily Artful and CSA were around the same age because of how immature Shannon is. I feel like she was more of "your friends older sister who's in high school but is nice to you middle schoolers" type to her younger subscribers. Dunno maybe people looked at the compliment bombs and thought "that's nurturing"

[@gwencere9383]

wow csa is a terrible acronym for ones channel i'm realising

[@pieflower6419]

@@gwencere9383 haha yeah I was confused too... I realised after this comment

[@daunderhill17]

KZbin= who she “wanted” to be. Lolcow= who she really is.

[@tahliachapman1010]

She was still really manipulative in her verbiage through her youtube videos.

[@joelle4226]

@@tahliachapman1010 In what ways?

[@tahliachapman1010]

@@joelle4226 theres alot of little things i noticed in the self degradation and the weird love bombing in her videos hyping other creators up almost like putting them on a pedestal only to have them fall, its like she purposly did it for that reason. I personally had a problem with the way it was stated..." i think we should go and harrass name* because they are so incredibly talented and i think it would just be an awesome idea to just infultrate their channel and like all of their stuff"....so on and so forth. Omnia did show an example of this on her channel aswell if you want to have a look. Other things like siding with people in lives when she states in her own videos she disagrees with it, so in my opinion thats manipulating the person in the live that she is in agreeance with them to achieve a particular outcome. Whether is be views, shoutouts or something offline. I noticed a few off things she said in Edwin's lives at times surrounding the issues of online hacking ( at one point speaking ill of the young boy trying to explain why he had files of repzions girlfriend)

[@hasithatumu9173]

Probably not who she wanted to be as much as how she wanted to be perceived as

[@TuesdaysArt]

A long while back, Shannon made a post on the BoJack Horseman subreddit about a character acting "woke" to gain positive attention and that aged like a fine wine.

[@brunetteartist24]

About the praising ppl in her intros part, when it used to be like a small 1 minute shout out which slowly extended to like a 3 minute monologue on how amazing so n so is, i personally started skipping them over but also didnt register them as love bombing in my head bcs i too can be overly talkative and exaggerative when talking about someone i adore, i just thought she shud probably edit her monologues more lol

[@tiaryzi8853]

Omg this!!! I knew I wasn’t the only one who was really annoyed at her intros getting longer. It was really making me bored and I felt like it was force appreciation! I thought Shannon was gonna go back to shorter intros but Noooo she did not. It was around last year. Where I started getting fed up and her topics were getting waaay too short for me to care. ((Edit: punctuation))

[@ihavelemonade5640]

I think I remember thinking she sounded very sarcastic. Like that one time when she was talking about someone who called her out and thanking them and etc... she always sounded kinda sarcastic

[@meiguess6765]

When she said “even rapists in prison hate pedophiles” I subscribed. There’s no better way to have worded a more fitting analogy.

[@Dutch3DMaster]

We had a former prisoner (convicted for drug trafficking) in social studies class who mentioned the same thing: "While most prisoners have a mutual agreement of being there for having done something bad, the only group hated even in prison were the people having sexually abused children...they had it bad even in prison, let alone outside..." (He was basically there to tell us what happened as someone who had been approached by someone on holidays on a tropical island asking to take a suitcase of a family member back home that had been left in the hotel, and had his story basically used as a warning to not trust stories like that, no matter how trustworthy someone comes over to you, or as the former prisoner said "Especially if someone comes over like that, don't agree on doing anything. They are looking for you as a "little guy": you need to be taken out of the row of people leaving the plane so the big boy carrying the actual amount of drugs might be skipped.")

[@TiredKnitter]

I think there's an interesting difference between performative activism where the person is consciously doing it for attention and kudos and performative activism where the person is doing it because that's who they want to be even though they mess up sometimes. Both are problematic, but one feels intentional in a way that doesn't tend to lead to growth whereas I think you can learn and grow out of the other. Seems like the issue is that Shannon was the former.

[@LieseFury]

there's a very real difference between performing for others and performing for yourself. performing for yourself is called learning.

[@patty1247]

It really hard for me to wrap my head around why she did any of this. And this isn’t about me being a super moral person, I have been a bitch, petty, mean spirited, etc. But overall that has always been in the moment. I can’t imagine doing any of that other stuff with sock accounts, stalking, making up stories, etc.

[@KatBlaque]

Tbh I get the vibe that she's just very online in an unhealthy way.

[@yuenmienyu]

shannon is a sadist. she degrades, shames and even abuses others for her own entertainment and happiness. i've met somebody who's a sadist (definitely not as awful as shannon), and they would manipulate me into interrogating others, hating myself even more, doubting in my own concerns, etc. for no reason. giving them their desired reaction allowed this person to use me as a mental punch bag.

[@FredericChen]

Sorry you called that sketch POOPY? 😭 don’t look at my sketchbook then

[@vampirefoe]

as far as the love bombing, then turnaround to hostile gossip, when it came out about Shannon being this alleged poster, I started to worry about Thumin. I hate to think someone would be so low, but what if CSA might have been part of the racism Thumin was/is getting?

[@KatBlaque]

Same. I immediately thought of Thumin and how thick she laid it on.

[@moonbeams4999]

I've thought about exactly this because who's to say Shannon doesn't also go on other anonymous sites like 4chan? As well, I've always found the timing of Shannon's video on Thumin to be... pretty damn prompt almost to the point of suspicion.

[@MysteryDisc]

I hate how I was introduced to Thumin through CSA (which btw, terrible acronym)

[@X1Vampi1X]

Omg I didn't even think about that, I found Thumin through creep because of all of that horrible stuff that happened to her. It would totally make sense if she would attack her like that to drum up some kind of controversy she can white knight herself over

[@prinxen1733]

*I thought of this a few days ago. I really hope it isn't the case, but the attack patterns are super similar...

[@biiiirdie3474]

Yoooooooooooo I did not expect someone on your side of KZbin to talk about the Creepshow Drama. I thought this was gonna stay on the Commentary/Rant side of KZbin, but I'm glad that you are talking about it 💕💕💕

[@AWindy94]

Agreed.

[@delicateghoul]

I'm glad it's getting discussed in more than the art and commentary circles, because like Kat said the issues are bigger than just "one artist who did call out vids did bad"

[@Nell-r0se]

I haven't been here for very long but I actually got into Kat because of her art videos, isn't she kindof in the art/commentary side of youtube?

[@delicateghoul]

@@Nell-r0se oh yeah I guess you're right 😂 I first started watching her because of the kink and LGBTQ+ videos she does so I guess that's where my brain associates her within KZbin

[@iaprofessional7986]

That's interesting! I consider Kat on at least _a_ side of the commentary/rant side of youtube. I started following her for her True Tea videos. But I get where you're coming from, I definitely don't associate her with other commentary channels. She's on her own little island and I think she likes it there lol

[@LostCommenter7]

I think the discussion of care of when it comes to content is really important like you said. If you're going to tackle heavy topics like Shannon purported to, you require more nuance than an under 30 minute video can rightfully have. But that's the thing, her content was about being digestible and easy rather than make any change people or the world.

[@maggieverschut8872]

The drawing kind of reminds me of Doja cat in like her new album era

[@Jessica-C-]

You really articulated my feelings for shannon very accurately. The self-deprecation to the level she would do came across really immature as did the love-bombing to creators that she would do. I was shocked to find out she was in her late 20s because she comes off like a 19 year old fresh off of tumblr. Especially with her crutch phrase "this is NOT okay." I also totally agree about people who fixate on child predators like they're some kind of hero as if everyone doesn't hate child predators.

[@dannyni4671]

It's always the ones who tries to be "righteous" comes out as the very people they shit upon. 😂😂

[@CustardBustard]

Funny I got that vibe from this video

[@KatBlaque]

That's a bizarre read since much of this video is saying that I understand multiple perspectives here and that no one should idolize KZbinrs, self included.

[@larknebula2454]

The self deprecation turned me off as well. Too many toxic ex friends used the same thing but to excuse their own actions and use me as their personal therapist. So like you I had been very aware creepshow art was fishy. Just wish we had been wrong.

[@sirbrawny]

I could not pinpoint on how her commentary just grates on me. You're right. It's like screaming water is wet over and over again. Some YT'ers can be emotional or logical in their approach. She dissed D'Angelo Wallace and Ready to Glare but they do it so much better imo.

[@yuenmienyu]

she screams jealousy towards d'angelo and RTG.

[@shinyskunk]

If there's anything I've learned from hanging around social media lately, it's that the person pointing fingers the most often and yelling the loudest is usually trying to draw attention away from their own actions. Anyway, I'd watch more of these time lapse art videos if you ever feel like making more! Very soothing, did not even know this was a youtube genre.

[@playboicatie]

omg, I thought I was the only one who got narcissistic vibes from the excessive self deprecation. Everyone can be self deprecating sometimes, but sh*tting on yourself 24/7 while also somehow attempting to be a public figure deserving of mass attention just seems so... fake? If that makes sense. Shane dawson does the same thing.

[@catboysephiroth560]

A bit late, but this IS a type of narcisissm(there's like 8 IIRC). It's called covert narcissism, characterized by self-depreciation, a victim complex, low self-esteem, and defensiveness/aversion to confrontation. A covert narc often tries to appear downtrodden to gain sympathy and fish for compliments to stroke their own ego, or try to downplay their achievements just to hear others try to uplift them. Some covert narcs are truly just depressed- they can get better, and DO want to get better. True narcs(ones with antisocial personality disorder and similar disorders) cannot get better and do not want to get better. So you're absolutely correct!

[@banxeescreems3337]

@@catboysephiroth560 omg that’s one of my ex fucking roommates to a T (no pun intended, despite her being a trans woman and I’m enby Agender). Despite being a successful artist, having two partners, supposed gaggle of friends, always had to bring herself, or some part of her life and viewpoint, into every conversation. As an empath I sadly fed her ego until I caught on to her game. Once you realize, your rose colored vision immediately dissipates and I’m so so glad for it. My new super power now is spying a narcissist and deflecting their bullshit. I don’t know how people are so fooled by it. Narcissists think they’re so clever and they’re some of the most insufferable and insecure motherfuckers out there.

[@verybarebones]

Man i struggle to stay active in one (1) community, i can't imagine juggling multiple identities in a ton of communities, i could never.

[@Dizzydollie7]

You can only listen to someone describe themselves as a foot or toe so many times before ya start realizing they think the opposite or believe it and are bitter. Authentic/even healthy self depreciation isn’t nearly as constant and severe as hers. It tipped me off very early.

[@KatBlaque]

Yep

[@Trekkifulshay]

What I found odd and why I only watched a few of her videos is that she seems to be the victim in so many situations. It seemed sketchy how is it all these relationships implode and she's never at fault it's always the other person. She was the common denominator in all those situations.

[@charlotteodonnell8175]

This art makes me weirdly nostalgic for an early 2000s web-game that I've never played where the cutscene art-style doesn't match the point and click/wsad gameplay.

[@jocelynsturgis7627]

Her self deprecating humor was something that drew me in because I also like to joke about myself alot but now looking back it probably was just a tactic to seem more trustworthy

[@joshyoung2659]

If your “activism” is just attacking the right people? You probably aren’t as good of a person as you believe.

[@Uhohlisa]

cough cough smokeyglow cough cough

[@emilybarclay8831]

Exactly, Shannon’s never done anything but bandwagon hopping, and any action she’s actually taken herself is 90% negative

[@LKTori]

@@Uhohlisa elaborate ?

[@iamsotired.419]

@@Uhohlisa why do so many people dislike Smokey Glow when talking about the CreepshowArt drama? Please, I’m really confused??

[@CustardBustard]

If you put a question mark after something that isn't even a question ? That's probably because you would say it like it's a question too, and I will never understand why you people do it.

[@DingoTheDemon]

I didn't realize her sibling was non-binary; everyone has said "she doxxed her own sister" (or was it brother? Oh man, I can't remember anymore.)

[@jasperj.d.g.4147]

It was sister but the sibling didnt seen to correct the title so idk if they do id as a sister.

[@aishahb8336]

video content aside- i would love if you did a couple of videos like this every now and then where you talk about a topic (doesn't have to be drama) and draw because i really love seeing your artwork :)

[@Rainbowthewindsage]

Same. I'd love to see more of Kat's art.

[@suoutubez19]

Agreed! It’s very cathartic

[@annathomas3882]

Yes! 🙏

[@Blake1720]

Yes! She’s amazing! I had no idea!

[@theokunkel]

Same! I could listen to Kat talk and watch her draw all day

[@pepsi2471]

It's so difficult to trust cis peoples takes on trans people and transphobia. The only cis people I've ever trusted are my friends who were outspoken about hating transphobes even when everyone in the room was assumedly cis, but even they had trouble with switching my pronouns because ultimately switching pronouns is not a matter of what you're used to, it's a matter of whether or not you believe the person is the identity they say they are. (My proof here is how fast people will call you pronouns referring to your agab if they find out you are trans after assuming you are cis.) I agree, it did not surprise me one bit that she talked about trans people that way in private, not only using slurs and derogatory language but using it as an insult for who she was (allegedly) stalking. I haven't seen many other people say they got that same gut feeling from her. This is what caused me to stay away from her content. You put it very well. (Also I'm not sure if I personally would count fakeboi as a slur since its only used in specific circles but it is absolutely transphobic, derogatory, and invalidating.)

[@skoldpa]

I've definitely been in situations where people seemed really outwardly supportive of trans people, and the moment I came out as trans they started using the pronouns referring to my agab when they never even imagined I was trans before. I had never been this disappointed, but sadly it's happened multiple times now so I kinda just gave up on ever discolsing I was trans irl

[@swearsinspanish1092]

I had that happen too. I had a friend that was reeeally sweet and assumed I was a cis-dude ( 4 yrs.into my HRT). I trusted her a lot after a while and came out to her assuming that she knew i was trans. Whoops. She was super supportive but as some point she started slipping "she" and "her" , " Let's go ladies" when we were going somewhere in a group. She didn't do that before so it wasn't like this "ladies!" some groups refer to themselves as esp. in LGBT context. I felt like once she knew I was afab, and not infact a cisdude she started seeing me differently

[@verybarebones]

Whats agab??

[@swearsinspanish1092]

@@verybarebones assigned gender at birth

[@marszenka]

Here's the thing. I'm cis and one of my oldest friends is trans. He's said that he doesn't mind people who knew him pre-transition using his original name so I still do, and I'm trying with the pronouns (he lives several thousand miles from me now so I don't have regular contact). I screw up. I am not the best ally I could be and I completely admit it. I'd never hold myself up as an example of "look at me I'm such a good friend" because in some ways, I'm not and I may never be. With that said, the main point I want to make is that even with how crap I am at this, I have -never- called anyone a slur, behind their back or not. You don't have to perfectly understand people to treat them well. Slurs don't belong in people's vocabulary and people who have that in their lexicon basically just prove that they suck. I hate the "but they're old and don't know any better' excuse, too. Educational materials survive from the 40s and 50s trying to teach people to not be bigoted jerks; some of the terms we've stopped using are new-ish but the idea behind it is not.

[@DarkLightHuntress]

As a former subscriber, I let CSA off easy when she got some details about the Onision drama wrong because I thought she was really new to the topic. Now I wish I just avoided her videos altogether. Thanks for giving your perspective on this.

[@verybarebones]

I just realized csa is the acronym for creepshowart and thats so ironic bc i only know that acronym used for child sexual abuse..

[@Elbylicious]

I like how you calmly look at the situation from different angles. It's a shame that a lot of your understanding of trauma comes from personal experience but it also makes it deeper and more well rounded. I feel like you're further in the process of understanding the situation than other commentators, thanks to your experience, age and detachment. Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I feel like they were quite fair. Also banger artwork, I love how you shaded the belly!

[@Bellevisionchannel]

Okay but I'm so here for you becoming an Art KZbinr, this snake lady is iconic and I love her

[@sunseraph1919]

The whole “she’s addicted to drugs/she’s crazy/she’s obsessed with me” thing is word for word what my abusive ex said about a friend a who was flirting with him and about his current girlfriend. I second the sentiment that when abusive men talk about women like that, we need to stand behind the woman he’s talking about. As for the performativity thing, a lot of KZbinrs don’t realize that this isn’t 2015 anymore. We don’t need to contend with the likes of (old) RTG, Reagan Wolf, Repzion, Masked Babe and Shoe0nHead with their previously popular, edgy “anti-SJW” rhetoric anymore. Boldly proclaiming “woke” opinions is safer now. And quite frankly, it’s the bare minimum of being a good person, at this point. I love the fact that inclusivity and social justice becoming mainstream has made life so much easier and safer for marginalized people. This is what we’ve protested for and what we’ve written academic papers to accomplish. But you can certainly support PoC and LGBT people and still be an unkind person or a grifter. Now that we’re moving forward, we need to do more than just tweet out #BlackLivesMatter and wave rainbow flags.

[@DarkBlueSkys]

I’ve always found it upsetting and frustrating when people are publicly supportive and privately demeaning of trans people. I know this is because as a Cis child of a trans person I’m often the one hearing it and I instantly want to fight them because that’s my parent who I love and people like them who deserved to be loved.

[@brib6046]

I’m screaming at the mention of the cursed Gaia online and Deviant Art 😵‍💫

[@spooksboh6251]

i know you said this was a "poopy sketch" but i actually really liked it a lot lol i think it has a lot of charm and i personally really really like the way you shade muscles

[@blacknoisyblue]

23:13 just a point, she didn't say "fuck boi", she said "fake boi" which is a slur towards trans men

[@anaisg.d.8925]

I dont understand how so many people were so attached to her, even saying her channel was a comfort to them, like yeah you can choose to enjoy whatever pleases you but, why something so negative? She might have done a great job at looking like a cool friend to hang out with, but still all of her content was sad problematic stuff filled with complains over complains over complains, how is that comforting? And i say this as someone who used to watch her channel a lot too, do yourself a favour and choose a more peaceful, not personality drived channel to be comforted by, like restoration videos or even minecraft construction videos, those are nice. I might be bias tho since i have never ever idolized a person before, not even seen anyone as a role model, maybe cus of trauma, but i think is mostly cus i know you can't idolize someone and still see them as a human being at the same time, i guess i just feel like you need to dehumanise someone in order to attach yourself to them to that extent, tho i might be wrong, i dunno.

[@rowan-priince1860]

For me: toxic friendships irl, toxic creators in my sub feed. I’d finally been moving away from her content after some self reflection already, (albeit way too slowly) and when shit hit the fan I suddenly realized all the red flags I had once again ignored, just parasocially this time lol. I feel ridiculous for falling for it all in hindsight.

[@salemsmith7085]

I liked her bluntness ig? Edit: but now I realize it’s bullshit not bluntness so 🤡

[@OmfgHiii]

i guess the same way ppl love true crime as a whole

[@marshmallow4646]

At least for me I'm lonely, so I like personality driven content, and her seemingly I stand up for and care for my friends no matter what attracted me, and it felt like she had to be a good person cuz she was standing up against all this bad, I'm really sad she's a shit person and I didn't see some of her problematic features as bad

[@Uhohlisa]

@@marshmallow4646 bad judge of character

[@secluse]

A few important things about stalking: often stalkers have a history with their victims, often even being former partners or friends. So it is unfortunately not uncommon for stalking victims to become friends with their stalker. They are expert manipulators, and the victim is at the center of their mind. Often what the stalker wants is the attention of their victim and they'll go to crazy lengths to get it. Given the amount of gaslighting inherent in stalking, and how often victims doubt themselves that what is happening to them is what it seems, stalkers can be great at making their victims believe it didn't happen at all, that it wasn't them, or that the victim was taking the stalking behavior out of context. Emily even discussed this happening to her in her video with both Anthony and Shannon. She maintained a professional relationship with Anthony for a good while, and followed Shannon for awhile after Shannon copying her video titles. After messaging with Shannon she for awhile doubted herself as to whether or not it was really them doing this to her. Secondly: One of the few plausible things in the Amy explanation for lolcow is that if it was at all possible, a stalker would be capable of it. Again, stalkers are usually obsessed with their victims, and their way of dealing with that obsession is non consensual involvement in their victims lives. What made the Amy story impossible was that by Shannon's own admission someone would have to convincingly spoof her exact IP addresses as she said she didn't use a VPN. Technologically speaking that's next to impossible, if I knew all of what lolfarms uses to identify their users, I likely could say it is completely impossible. The time and dedication though? Oh a stalker definitely has that.

[@viviscera7551]

Not gonna lie, I didn't bother to look at this until you specifically brought it up

[@whatsername77alis]

Same lol

[@guillermodebaskerville7117]

I'm starting to feel like people are talking more about this than talking about other scandals by some supposedly larger youtubers

[@TenderNoodle]

@@guillermodebaskerville7117 are there other scandals of this caliber going on right now?

[@ayaneagano6059]

Me neither

[@playdoh658]

watch emily artfuls video it goes it depth on what she did to her (tw: csem, rape, stalking)

[@thefinalduane]

weird place to put this, but i used to blindly hate you when i was younger because of the “anti-sjw” stuff on youtube at the time. ive definitely grown as a person since then and just wanted to apologize for all that. you’re a pretty great person

[@tundra1992]

It's great when you get to change your ideas of what is top quality 😁

[@tundra1992]

Damn half my post got deleted. Cbf blahing on again 😅

[@charliest.kardasism9134]

It seems to me, she didn't make these videos to help the VICTIMS.

[@tomato5499]

At some point she put a link for someone who drew CP in her description. That kinda sums up her activism.

[@yuenmienyu]

@@tomato5499 fr and she never addressed it

[@jazwhoaskedforthis]

Marginalized people become good at sensing and spotting cues in people that they might want to be wary of. I’m always going to give their perspective a bit more credence than mine, because frankly there’s probably plenty in me that still needs to grow and improve that I don’t see yet. Of course I may not see it in others. I’ve had male feminists and people who seem very SJW and woke wind up being scummy, so I’m wary even if I think people are saying the right things.

[@aduloy1]

I always got a really off putting vibe from the hyper aggressive way that Shannon talked about issues. To me, watching her videos felt like being on the recieving end of a rant that you had nothing to do with. It felt more like being berated than hearing someone venting.

[@KatBlaque]

(Captions incoming)

[@AWindy94]

Thank you 💓☺️

[@vredbt]

thank you very much🙏

[@darkhorsiesmedia]

I totally get this idea of ‘slick’ activism, when actually real lives are messy and grey areas. A close friend of mine has just come out as trans and immediately some friends who said all the right things are struggling to accept it, whilst those who are totally supportive might not get all the terms right all the time while they are adjusting but are trying. My friend has said she’d rather have those true people around who are trying than the slick snakes who know all the terms but have none of the empathy.

[@ZoeAlleyne]

I don't think it would be easy for ANYONE to parse information like 'this person you care about is an abuser'. I think one of the ways in which our black and white mentality manifests is that we forget that things look different close up than they do far away. Not always better or worse but... Different. I have seen people called problematic because someone they were close to was accused of abuse and they didn't immediately cut this person out, side with the victim and come out swinging against this person. It is easy to feel that way when you don't know someone. It will always be harder when you do. That's normal. If someone tells me x celebrity did a terrible thing, even when I liked the celebrity the emotional toll cannot match up to someone saying it about your best friend/lover/family member. That is someone you have a huge emotional investment in and the decisions you make may shape your entire future differently. Not talking about Shannon in particular but I'm at the part of the video where your are talking about being with someone who was accused and it reminded me that people really throw shade at people for not talking out immediately. But sometimes you need that silence, you need to figure things out for yourself instead of having to perform for others.

[@pomshi]

Nah it's weird how shannon was always "child predators are bad" yet she allegedly has CP of emily

[@Ashley-vs8nu]

Shannon uses apologies like a get out of jail free card. Self depreciation doesn't equate morality. It's truly strange how long Shannon was able to go "undetected" in the commentary community. In some ways she had as many red flags as the people that she was "calling out" but because she was so prolific with her content (also with broad topics) and she was so overwhelming with her apologies for being "human" that her faults were swept under the rug. Alarming how many people don't practice discernment of virtual strangers.

[@breana2734]

The amount of people who have said “I’ve just blindly believed anything she said” is astounding and scary. Is it really that hard to not put strangers (anyone really, but especially internet strangers) on pedal stools?

[@useroffline9999]

im honestly disturbed by the normalization of self deprecation. as someone with severe self loathing issues and perfectionism/performance anxiety it took me forever to lose the habit of making self deprecating “jokes”. especially on the internet, it’s treated like a character strength and not the destructive coping mechanism that it is. some others have pointed out that she’s targeting young, insecure kids with this type of language, and i agree because i was one of those kids.

[@DolliMiu]

It’s scary to think that just by pretending to be someone that’s relatable and charming, you can do so much damage and hurt people without getting caught until you slip up.

[@Ashley-vs8nu]

@@breana2734 The amount that actively defended her up until this last incident are equally puzzling. This is not to say that no one is worthy of trust but to hold someone to this strange standard is mind boggling.

[@Ashley-vs8nu]

@@useroffline9999 as someone who falls into this category I found this odd as well. It always came across as if she was building a charecter background with the "quirk" of self depreciation. After a while it just became hard to listen to her. I hope that you have success with working towards your issues. It definitely can be difficult to shake this type of habit when it is what you fall back on normally.

[@givemeaminutetothink]

I stopped watching creepshow awhile back honestly just based on the fact that her thumbnails/clickbait titles made me uncomfortable bc it was using terrible things like abuse to get people's attention...I liked watching the art but my feed was filled with those thumbnails and it was driving me a little crazy. I don't watch much content like that these days, but for a minute there it was all my feed was it seems. Idk if youtube just isn't the platform or if I'm just not the audience for it, but like how many times can you put 'they are the worst' or 'this is not okay' in your thumbnail before it just loses meaning?

[@destructokat]

Kind of the reason I backed out too. There are only so many call out videos you can watch before your mental health does a nose dive out the nearest window. I couldn't handling getting worked up and angry all the time when I should have been using that time to wind down.

[@AshleyArsenicArt]

I'm proud of youtube actually telling me when you have posted. Wooo.

[@midnightnyx261]

I really don't understand how people can be allies in public and then in private be bigots. It just boggles my mind to be that disingenuous. But this is also why I put more stock in people who respect others when they're not around, because that's what shows what kind of person you really are.

[@nuggetpai]

Idk I see so many signs in her behavior that scream narcissist and narcissist abuse. The love bombing for example. Narcissist deeply care about their self presentation, how they're perceived by others. They create the narrative of who they want to be, it's all play pretend. I'm sure Shannon carefully build up her character through her channel, including putting herself down so people pity her.

[@oohforf6375]

Yep communal narcissism

[@blackandwhitethinking]

please don’t perpetuate this narrative. some people have narcissistic personality disorder and Shannon is not one of them. even if she is, that does not excuse her behaviour and it’s deeply dangerous for people with personality disorders to see this narrative when most of us try really hard to deal with our stuff and are more likely to be abused, than the abuser.

[@playdoh658]

@@blackandwhitethinking thank you.. Some people are just terrible. You don’t need to have a mental disorder (especially cluster b) to be a terrible disgusting and vile person. It perpetuates demonization toward cluster b disorders. Don’t diagnose people if you aren’t a professional especially when you don’t know them personally

[@oohforf6375]

@@playdoh658 But there's a difference between saying that someone is a "narcissist" and saying that they have "Narcissistic Personality Disorder". The latter only means that their narcissism is causing them some level of personal distress, hence why they went to a psychologist to get the diagnosis. The former, "narcissist", is only a descriptive term, and only has connotations with cluster b disorders if the person has been diagnosed with NPD. If someone displays a pattern of being grandiose, toxic, superficial and interpersonally difficult, then yes, the term narcissist works even if they don't have NPD.

[@idlydog1232]

Shannon has never actually given a fuck about lgbtq people. She literally made a video harassing a trans woman who was a csa survivor. she accused this woman of "making cp" when what she was drawing was vent art due to the trauma she faced as a child. then she proceeds to show the art, and link her profile in the video and description. She intentionally gave people leeway to dogpile this woman. for drawing ARTWORK. She's always been horrible, just took some of y'all a bit longer to see it.

[@kendrarasberry3078]

Who is the victim in question?

[@nekrosis6560]

Are you talking about that strawberry milk girl

[@Kurikurikara]

iirc aggy only had like 200 followers before shannon made that video too I know this because I was one of them

[@idlydog1232]

@@kendrarasberry3078 I can't answer this, because i had a ptsd attack while watching that video. I'm sure it's still up on her channel. maybe ask one of the other commenters here.

[@idlydog1232]

@@Kurikurikara just such a disgusting thing to do. She knew what she did, and no one has properly talked about it or brought it up during all this.

[@theoneandonly3388]

I stopped watching her so often after her "most racist artist on Twitter" video and the whole peaches drama but damn did I never I expect this level of bs from her

[@goodlyfresh7989]

Tbh we need more art content from kat… even if it’s just artwork that she had made already. It’s very empowering to see a black trans person creating art! This video is really good too

[@NaomiDollxoxo]

I have absolutely no idea how.anyone is surprised about Creepshow Art....She spoke with such malice and anger. I noticed a lot of oddities and when I mentioned there was something off with her, I was so attacked I deleted my commemt more than once

[@michelleperez1806]

I came for the commentary and stayed for the art, can't wait to see more art videossss

[@OpqHMg]

LOOOOL yes Blaire White pretends to be against child predators as a smoke screen for her horrible abusive behavior... Sounds familiar

[@OpqHMg]

@JoeysRattata omg. I did NOT know that but am completely not surprised

[@Renalucent]

Honestly I'm not really surprised either. The self deprecation and the the love-bombing started giving me flashbacks to growing up in an emotionally abusive household and I just could not watch anymore. It really smacked of someone hiding their true intentions or trying to cover up for something.

[@JC-jd1us]

Can you imagine all the good lol cow and cyber stalkers decided to use their time and energy to find missing children how much better the world would be.

[@daylite34]

I work in the animation industry and I can 100% back up the claim that people who spend time shitting on other people's art are always not very talented themselves.

[@soyuncatacol]

No offense, but I don't see how she can come back from this. She tried to blackmail someone with CP. Beyond being a crime that shows zero remorse or sympathy and is pure maniacal ego. She scares me a little, tbh. Also I think her art is boring, I'm just gonna say it I don't like it!!!! lol

[@GiulianaBruna]

You are so articulate and always try to watch a situation from all the view points. My opinion on drama /commentary channels is mosstly negative. The content is highly addictive and energy taxing, they often have no level of expertise to talk about it, and they can be really convincing. And the algorithm benefits that kind of content, so let's be mindful. Also, the "people who talk shht about other people's art" reminded me so much to some art school classmates 😑😑.

[@deViianceTV]

It’s an annoyance to see activism on social media, because I know that the people that are talking about (especially those that get lots of engagement and followers) don’t really care cause it’s not affecting their day to day life. They just speak about it cause it’s trending on the timeline. I’d rather see people walk outside with boards and posters than see social media activism, cause what are you really gaining from talking about it? And then the issues don’t even get resolved and people move on to something else that’s trending.

[@Jordan-db2og]

But at the same time, people get hounded for not talking about things online

[@NoName-dx1no]

@@Jordan-db2og that’s true honestly a lot of people do want popular people to talk about it but we as people just need to accept that some people don’t care one really don’t know what to do about the situation and it’s not going to be any good for people who don’t know about the situation spread misinformation or that the people who don’t care pretending

[@deViianceTV]

@Chrry Cola yeah, so it’s a damn if you do, damn if you don’t. I just think people shouldn’t be so eager or anticipate for celebrities to talk about certain issues. They’re job is to be entertainers not activists (which is a problem the black community runs into cause we don’t have known activists on the level of a MLK or Malcom X, so we want vocal support from our entertainers when that isn’t their job.)

[@raptorshades]

I think social media activism can be a good if used responsibly (which sadly, for the most part, it isn't). It's an easy and direct way to bring up a topic, but if you're not directing people to resources in the community or books/papers to educate themselves further, it doesn't help. Someone already mentioned this, but it is also very accessible. I've learned a lot about disability activism from social media (and supplementing it without outside sources as well). Social media is also just the worst to have healthy dialogs about these topics.

[@burnteffigy87]

Yea it's when I'm not posting online that I'm actually doing the most..I'm engaged and don't have time to grab my phone tbh

[@laurenbastin8849]

honestly this kind of stuff is why I’m always quite guarded around people who seem too ‘nice’, sometimes the mask slips and you see shit like this

[@ibugfishi]

girl- i really love ur art and this is such a refreshing take on creepshow. but- as another individual who uses photoshop i sEE THOSE UNAMED LAYERS AND IT'S GIVING ME WRONG LAYER PTSD I-

[@KatBlaque]

Lol. I never do it ahhaha

[@hecklife6636]

yall actually name your layers??

[@ibugfishi]

@@hecklife6636 👀

[@punkydumplin838]

First off, this piece is GORGEOUS! I'm so excited to see your artwork after finding out you were an artist! Also, I totally agree with your take on Shannon. Her self-depricating diatribes always rubbed me the wrong way. I self-depricate plenty on my own, but hearing someone talk down on themselves for minutes on end instead of the occasional "My dumb ass (this is my go-to)" just reeked of self-obsession. Even hating yourself means you are focusing on yourself. I'm personally not surprised by the allegations, but I was caught off-guard at how serious this whole thing became after watching Emily's video. I'm saddened for those that really flocked to her because of her call-outs thinking it was a safe place, and even more so for those who called her a friend. This whole mess is just disheartening.