She was forced to get an injection. A Psych Nurse Reacts.

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@Tiffany90-gb2md 5 ай бұрын

My friend has bipolar and ended up in psychosis and told me she got sexually assaulted by other inmates in the hospital... She had had such a traumatic past by getting raped by her Auncle..the last thing she needed was to get sexually assaulted in the hospital... My other friend got her hand pulled by force and was in agony when in the hospital.. I thank the Lord she got off Zyprexa as she told me it numbed her so much and years were wasted.. Her psychiatrist apologized she never had bipolar in the first place. It was from all the trauma she went through after finding out her daughter got raped by her stepfather We need to show more empathy for those affected by generational trauma... I'm not against medication as my other friend has been so helped by anti depressants.... I just don't agree when it's forced upon an individual in such an aggressive way.. We could do with more of an empathetic patient approach.. Laura is so brave to speak up about this.. May God heal her soul from this unfortunate mental illness and restore her..

@elysemattocks1495 6 ай бұрын

Lauren has educated so many in our community. Her page is extremely helpful

@amandaj2892 5 ай бұрын

Nobody would treat Cancer Patients like this

@RKI20247 9 ай бұрын

If they had just left me alone without being injected I think i would have calmed down if someone had just come and talked with me or to me or just given me time before rashly giving me an overdose injection that almost killed me😢

@tamzar2440 11 ай бұрын

God bless you Lauren , I’ve watched a bunch of your videos ❤ I’m cheering for you !!!

@silverdweller2809 11 ай бұрын

You can be forced long term even without committing a crime under guardianship. I'm under guardianship and forced on meds. I have mixed feelings. The most recent med change gave me my life back so that's great. They need to take you seriously when you say the med isn't working or is causing awful side effects. I was stuck on a med that didn't work and caused a movement disorder for years and now the movement disorder is permanent.

@alexandrastrauser5538 10 ай бұрын

what was the movement disorder?

@silverdweller2809 10 ай бұрын

@@alexandrastrauser5538 Tardive Tourettism

@RKI20247 9 ай бұрын

@@alexandrastrauser5538dyskinesia and/or tremors for example Extrapyramidal symptoms

@milosvukajlovic9768 6 ай бұрын

@@alexandrastrauser5538probably tardive dyskinesia

@viperchic78 28 күн бұрын

Likely tardive diskonesia or Parkinson's like essential tremors. I have essential tremors from my meds.

@tamzar2440 11 ай бұрын

So there’s a need for a calming person who’s angelic to be there ✝️🙏🏾

@spg1794 11 ай бұрын

i HATE giving shots and the few times ive given them involuntarily , absolutely everything else failed. I never got write ups or citations from Risk for any of my hold-involved IMs because when i worked high acuity, it was common knowledge at my hospital that if i couldnt verbally deescalate a situation, noone else couldve either.involuntary IMs are expensive, yes they come at the cost of the prs's trust (not to mention the trust of all the other patients on the unit who are present) . Ruling a unit by the needle isnt therapy its incarceration and if you treat them like inmates theyre going to behave like inmates. Total lose/lose situation. I have a LOT to say about IMs , maybe i better just make my own channel

@correlationqueen3565 11 ай бұрын

I would love to hear your perspective, as a parent of an adult living with mental illness. please provide link if you do so!

@spg1794 11 ай бұрын

@@correlationqueen3565 im a lot like this guy. psych RN with about a decade of high acuity experience at an inner city crisis response center. if you have any questions, *ideally as specific as possible* id be happy to tell you ...

@spg1794 11 ай бұрын

@@correlationqueen3565*i dont think he's a bad psych nurse , ive watched many vids on his channel and i have no doubt that he's one of those rare ones who is obviously there for the patients not the institution.. but i do disagree with his take on a lot of stuff. i try to not be obnoxious about it😅

@DjPrespley 7 ай бұрын

I started calling the staff screws which is quebec slang for prison guards when they found out they could make me shut up with it. I once was forced into taking attivan or it would be the shot because I told an intrusive nurse to get out of my rooms 5 times and when she kept HARASSING me pretty much I told her Décaliss! (get the fuck out) which is totally appropriate and she came back with the whole team. Obviously I got angry and was insulting them as they were pinning me on the bed like cowards for having boundaries Edit: I was having a casual conversation with my room mate and she came in asking "do you want to talk" and I was saying no then décaliss not get out

@DjPrespley 7 ай бұрын

and then there's the self fulfilling prophecy of me getting mad when I see they're bringing me to isolation room which they rule out as bipolar symptoms which need to be treated immediately

@dyrefate 11 ай бұрын

I've always enjoyed your videos, but as a person with a history of psychosis whose trauma caused by mental health workers is often dismissed, I was pretty upset by you questioning her memory of events. Staff can write whatever they want in notes. That doesn't negate a person's experience. I have many episodes where I've been fully lucid, so that even when I was confused at the time because of my internal experiences, my memory was still in tact. Staff know they can get away cruel behavior because of this assumption that our memories are invalid. I was locked in solitary confinement because I had inconvenienced the staff, not because I was a danger to anyone. It made my psychosis so much worse. I was also forcibly drugged once, and coerced numerous times. The mental health system is a system of abuse.

@tamzar2440 11 ай бұрын

You are so right - the system can lie & say & do anything ! … & they DO

@A_Psych_Nurse 11 ай бұрын

I can totally understand how you feel this way. I'm just very surprised NOTHING--as far as we can tell from Lauren's story--happened to these 6 individuals. But that doesn't mean what happened didn't happen, if that makes sense. Certainly not trying to say it did not happen, and later in the video I address this b/c the last thing I'd ever want to do is invalidate someone's experience. Lauren's a trooper and stunningly courageous. I just really want to know if she pursued charges or requested a copy of the camera footage--if nothing was ever done, then we can guaranteed those individuals are going to continue to perpetrate :(. Thanks for your support and comment :)

@tamzar2440 11 ай бұрын

Hey - copy of what happened - um - this gets ignored til the people give up !!! And - over at community mental health -- o e says - anyone can talk to a crisis worker if needed -- which is how it should be -- but they fail to inform that - it can & will be used against you

@dyrefate 10 ай бұрын

@@A_Psych_Nurse Thank you for your reply. I think it's very hard to hold any mental health workers accountable when there's an expectation that the patient's narrative is false. I've heard numerous other stories of recovery from psychosis and every one of them includes abuse from mental health workers-many of them severe. It seems to be pervasive. When I was locked in solitary I was not in the mindset to file a complaint because I thought I was being punished for what was going on with me internally. I did try to get my paperwork afterwards to see if there was any documentation about it but they refused to give me my records. A more minor incident happened during a later hospitalization when I was more lucid. There was a flier on the wall that stated my patients rights, and I pointed to it and told the staff that she was violating my rights by not letting me have access to my money (I wanted to give some to another patient who was being transferred to a facility that required money to make phone calls). The staff just told me to file a complaint and walked away. I did actually call the number on the form to complain and no one ever responded. The fact that mental health workers routinely violate patient rights at every level is one of the reasons I hate being hospitalized, and would rather suffer through episodes at home than reach out for help.

@RKI20247 9 ай бұрын

@@dyrefatei had to declare my rights to get my paperwork. Absolutely ridiculous. It was like a novel too. Like wow and 85% was way off.

@NaturallyWavy21 6 ай бұрын

Loved your breakdown of this. Can you provide Lauren’s channel or link? I can’t find this video on KZbin

@A_Psych_Nurse 6 ай бұрын

this should be it :). kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJbNcp-ooLeom5o&ab_channel=LivingWellwithSchizophrenia

@RosalindCosta-vj1zq 6 ай бұрын

I applaud Lauren Kennedy-West, with her insight, objectivity and flat out intellectual capacity every time I hear her/view one of her videos. She is quite a force to be reckoned with. My heart bleeds for her, and for what she has been put through. The very first time I was hospitalised for psychosis (back then, in 2010, it was believed I had bipolar disorder), I too was stripped naked upon admission to the psychiatric hospital. It was humiliating and terrifying in the extreme, and the next time I was sectioned, I begged and screamed not to be put through the same ordeal again. I feel as though more recently, my treatment in hospital has been less draconian, but I was still left with no choice over whether or not I was injected with my medication, Aripiprazole (Abilify) ... these injections are dubbed the "Depot". And that was with no reason that was apparent to me ... I had been compliant with my medication, and passive about my treatment throughout my hospital stay. I still question the arbitrary decisions forced upon patients by psychiatrists and other staff.

@tamzar2440 11 ай бұрын

For the people reading the comments -“” big pharmaceutical company’s fund mental health -- so it’s A LOT about the MONEY”””””

@cyan11_music 7 ай бұрын

Everything is about money

@AshleyKopituk 3 ай бұрын

AGREED!

@MsOka007 6 ай бұрын

A friend of mine got so many shots that he almost lost his kidney. After I spoke to him I called the Dr. and told him he could not talk because his tongue was like rolled very weird. Then the Dr. realized his CPK, too much protein in the blood, was over the roof. Luckily they sent him to the Trauma to fix it and after 4 days his numbers went down, but it was terrible for a person with mental problems.

@EJ1443 6 ай бұрын

Nick, can you please do a video explaining how you feel about police response to mental illness? I have read/heard some horrible stories about allegedly CIT trained cops who still hurt/terrorize nonviolent mentally unstable people. Lauren has a story about that actually. It’s horrific.

@wizardlyrhino2824 11 ай бұрын

This is a very believable story, I practically had the same thing happen to me. They didn't strip me naked but they corned me and forced an injection on me and locked me in a crazy room

@dausas 7 ай бұрын

Soon to be Nurse Grad here and about to give a presentation on the Ethical Dilemma of Involuntary Medication. I greatly appreciate this video and the way the viewpoints were presented. Hoping to have a very thoughtful discussion with my cohort regarding their views on this issue.

@RKI20247 9 ай бұрын

Dont they all have assisted injections daily in The Giver????

@tamzar2440 11 ай бұрын

WHAT DO YOU DO IF YOU ARE POOR & can’t afford a lawyer - they know they have people by the balls -- oh their day in hell is coming ! I’m speaking for the weak ones - Gods Word says WE are to help them

@A_Psych_Nurse 11 ай бұрын

Personally I would have requested the camera recording and documentation surrounding the incident. Then if it looked like I had a strong case, I'd try and find a lawyer to take the case pro bono.

@tamzar2440 11 ай бұрын

It seems like all the lawyers are slimey / Freemasons - they drink with the judges & drs …. Easier **** said than done -& where are these good samaritans / pro bono - I’m in Michigan & would love to know -- a Detroit dr - said - to get the 2nd opinion - but if mental health is punishing my person (( probably bc of me too ))))) .. they are soooo drugged up sick / paralyzed from the meds - they can’t help themselves

@RKI20247 9 ай бұрын

@@A_Psych_Nursei asked the civil rights commission for this in my rape allegations and my case was dropped

@RKI20247 9 ай бұрын

My forced injection felt absolutely like rape. It was extremely traumatic.

@yamalama3142 3 ай бұрын

Right before mine I told the nurse that had the needle in her hand “this is mental rape” and she laughed

@spg1794 11 ай бұрын

** i actually believe her account is credible.. even if its clearly minimizing the facts and also shows a complete lack of insight. I do believe everything happened as she said... I cant tell you how many patient grievance forms ive reviewed from the most out of control patients that read exactly how she is talking and its heartbreaking

@A_Psych_Nurse 11 ай бұрын

in the facilities you've worked at, are there cameras in the restraint rooms and elsewhere?

@SAMEntalhealth 9 ай бұрын

@A_Psych_Nurse thissss ^^^^^ I've asked the same questions on other videos not on your channel. Yes I have experience in the medical field as well, specifically psychiatric and dialysis, and I can tell you I have one time been in the psych ward for 5 hours because of a delay in my medication and I had a massive and I mean massive imbalance that caused me to actually not say I wanted to kill myself, I simply said I don't want to exist but I don't want to hurt myself at all, I even stated that I can feel the imbalances like they are physical in my brain, and I was put into the psych ward from police officers I went to high school with in my hometown, so that was not fun but at the same time seeing this one patient completely go rampant slamming the thick and I mean nearing 6 inch thick doors, slamming them left and right left and right and then spewing out his past about how his stepfather used to rape him, he was nearly about to tear another patient's head off and that was one of the times where I felt that involuntary medication induction was needed, but there are many instances when I was working in that field I've seen patients that did not deserve it get it and that's enough evidence for me and yes there were cameras except nobody thought to ask for the footage or the facility light and said there was no audio it was all just physical motions and Gestures so we can't really tell unless we have pure evidence in my opinion❤ another great video by U2 by the way

@SAMEntalhealth 9 ай бұрын

@@A_Psych_Nurselol it put U2 stupid voice to text putting the bands name instead of the actual correct spelling 😅

@tonyhoffman3309 6 ай бұрын

Cameras keep many people out of hospitals and care facilities. What would be helpful is if patients were able to have their own cameras .

@EJ1443 6 ай бұрын

How is it credible if it minimizes the facts? Since her whole thing is educating people about schizophrenia and everything it entails, she should verify the facts and explain to people that psychosis can alter one’s perception of what REALLY happened. It’s extremely dangerous and irresponsible to portray these stories as true if they are not actually true.

@SherriSmith-u9z 9 ай бұрын

I wanna start out by saying Lauren was SO brave. I'm new to a state hospital. I'm called a PCT. But I'm not new to mental illness. My dad was schizophrenic. My mom was bipolar. (They have both passed). They came together to have me. I've been drawn to mental health since I lost them. I'm working at a state hospital now (any advice would be greatly appreciated). I'm on the fence about forced medication. I understand her reluctance on the issue because she should NEVER be forced to take something against her will. HOWEVER, I feel it was for the betterment of the community. Let's say she's having an acute episode and she's hearing voices about someone else in the public. Then it's protecting the public because we (in the general public) telling her she's going to harm them, if that's the case, forced medication is definitely the route to go. But if she's only a threat to herself, she should 💯 100% be in charge of her treatment plan!!! This story breaks my heart. I very, very much agree with her that a more empathic approach should have been taken!!

@tamzar2440 11 ай бұрын

“””your going to lose their trust “”” 13 point yes indeed

@tonyhoffman3309 6 ай бұрын

This is prevalent in long term eldercare.

@ytzpro 11 ай бұрын

I def agree "assisted medication" kinda sounds like euthanasia

@RKI20247 9 ай бұрын

Better believe it. Sometimes thats the goal😢

@cyan11_music 7 ай бұрын

Basically it’s “we don’t want to deal with you/we don’t give AF about you “ and “you are more trouble than you are worth “

@RKI20247 9 ай бұрын

When i began having a hypothermic response during Post Injection Delerium Sedation Syndrome in solitary isolation while still restrained... nobody came to help me when i said i was having pain and my file said thats when i went into hypothermia 😶 I was hallucinating and blacking out for days on the drugs. I dont take any drugs. 😢

@SAMEntalhealth 9 ай бұрын

Horrific😢😢😢😢 imagine being injected and having nightmares that you couldn't even get out of because you couldn't get yourself away😢😢

@SAMEntalhealth 9 ай бұрын

I meant awake

@SAMEntalhealth 9 ай бұрын

Not sure where my original comment went but it said horrific😢😢😢😢 then I said imagine what would happen if you were in a rabid strain of nightmares in that sedation. That you couldn't escape from because you were so sedated😢😢

@SAMEntalhealth 9 ай бұрын

I put it this way, if some other humans can go through medical school and learn information, then patients who go through what Physicians pretty much tell them they should not go through or are not going through, are also more than capable of learning the information except they have more of an edge on the experience as they are Lab Rats to the medications or treatments given❤❤❤❤

@elizabethgant8291 11 ай бұрын

There is a difference between causing a bit of a problem, and needing chemical restraint. If your behavior and actions are creating danger to yourself, peers, or staff, and have refused multiple approaches to deescalate - you will likely get shots. Our facility tries every alternate method of de-escalation before chemical restraint. We also are constantly letting our patients know what's happening, so they have every opportunity to get themselves under control. If Lauren's experience is accurate and consistently being experienced... The hospital should be seriously investigated!

@RKI20247 9 ай бұрын

Yeah the reason i was kept for nine days was because i began spitting on the floor in absolute terror told them i had to get it out because it tasted like gall so they attacked me for SPITTING on the floor. 😢 i needed actual help and all i got was isolation and almost death from an overdose amount of the drug they administered. I didn't even eat for days or sleep all they did was inject me for three days

@AnnaJensen-eg1kg 11 ай бұрын

It does happen just like she says. There is nothing you can do about it when you’re a mental health patient.

@Aeizium 10 ай бұрын

mental health product*

@RKI20247 9 ай бұрын

@@Aeiziumwow yeah I felt like i was waiting while they decided if i was just a body bag keeping organs working for them to use for more important people.

@Aeizium 9 ай бұрын

@@RKI20247 psychiatry is sinister. why are family doctors getting less funded than these so called 'specialists'?

@RKI20247 9 ай бұрын

@@Aeizium the willingness or ability and structural allowances to carry out specialized experimentations? 🤷🏻‍♀️ for one

@PaulFlint-po9jl 5 ай бұрын

We should be allowed a proper defence as we are victims of this system. Prisoners are dealt with better

@rseneck100 8 ай бұрын

It happened to me. They lethaly overdosed me on lithium twice because the first time they destroyed the paperwork so the 2nd time they didn't know. I couldn't walk from the lithium and I couldn't hold my urine and they still forced it on me

@ShawnRKA 5 ай бұрын

Bro, my life went into the dumpster after going to the dr for some minor anxiety. Long story short I had severe reactions to ssri and a benzo. It was living hell to get off of and ended in a S attempt that left me disabled head to toe. I was never warned about these meds. This is a crime and it’s happening world wide

@amyjones8613 11 ай бұрын

Thanks for this video. It puts things in perspective. My doctor talked me into going to the er. It was my choice though. Just a little empathy goes a long way.

@MartinHarbison 24 күн бұрын

You would not force chemotherapy for a cancer patient?

@alexandrastrauser5538 10 ай бұрын

@20:55 THIS IS SUPER IMPORTANT!!!

@PaulFlint-po9jl 5 ай бұрын

I agree with Lauren

@EJ1443 6 ай бұрын

I understand why it’s necessary (coming from a PoV of a loved one with mental issues) but I don’t understand why they strip you naked or in your underwear? I just want to understand the logic of being so over the top if the patient is not attacking anyone? Is there no way to try and get them to sit down and explain “hey, I know you don’t want to be here and it’s scary but this med does XYZ, it will help calm you down. Since you’re here involuntarily, you have to accept it. I would rather you take it the easy cooperative way or else we will have to force you. And nobody wants to do that. It’s up to you.” I just want to understand the logic of the staff here.

@butterflyaxeshield8893 3 ай бұрын

so at 25 min 35 sec, is it true they had a choice to not take meds and then take , attending regular therapy sessions, they had that option? to just take the therapy and not meds ?

@tamzar2440 11 ай бұрын

Recently I watched that Marley movie about the big goofy dog / Jennifer Aniston had a break down in the movie - after she wasn’t sleeping ***** & that scene WOW … but if that happens to others of us - WE could all be in Lauren’s position

@MartinHarbison Ай бұрын

It's along the lines of a 72 hour hold?

@RKI20247 9 ай бұрын

When you are having to administer medication that can kill someone at the wrong amount or interactions should that medication really be administered in such a charged state?! When staff are just finished wrestling a patient like their cortisol is heightened why would it be wise to have them administer meds this way it seems so wrong to me. The ones who wrestled me administered my forced traumatic injection... their hearts were all racing as they used needles in me how strange really... not calm and methodical it was frazzled and tense

@amandaj2892 5 ай бұрын

Happens to Me every Public admission

@EJ1443 6 ай бұрын

Hey I’m confused and rather disturbed by this story now that you pointed out that psychosis can alter your perception on what REALLY happened . It is extremely dangerous and irresponsible to portray an event like this without explaining hey, I was not very lucid, psychotic episodes alter perception on what happened. So this is my experience with IM, and why it’s problematic. But I complained to the hospital (insert how you/your loved ones complained ie: nag staff incessantly for an in person meeting to discuss events? Shoot them harassing emails or something. Complain to some oversight committee?) and then explain what actually happened. Because I am a stickler for facts and truth and not just blindly believing the victim truth be dammed. Especially if you have a channel dedicated to explaining schizophrenia and experiencing the mental healthcare system. You have a duty to truth regardless of your feelings or perceptions of what you think happened. I don’t understand validating someone’s experience if that is not what happened. Isn’t that truthiness ?!!?!

@im_noToKa 9 ай бұрын

VA systems need to be held accountable ;

@biggbbear6300 7 ай бұрын

I have worked with for forensic population for approximately 30 years. besides working the floor I spent 10 years having groups on education about mental health medication‘s, criminal, thinking, etc. etc.. occasion I would ask the group if they were very psychotic living on the streets, not able to take care of themselves what they want a Forced medication or not 50% of them say yes, and 50% say no roughly. The problem is if you’re truly psychotic not from drugs how will you ever be able to take care of yourself? If you don’t get stabilized how do you become independent functioning if you don’t receive this medication if it’s forced on you. It’s a very difficult situation but I really don’t see a way around it if the only way for you to become stabilizes through medication.. also, the population I dealt with 70% committed homicide by fully psychotic

@adriannamatos865 5 ай бұрын

Thank you! One of the few others with common sense on this page. I work for a nonprofit here in NYC that houses the severely mentally ill. I can’t even begin to tell you the amount of times our staff have been attacked by severely mentally ill clients who refuse treatment time and time again. We have given these poor people the right to fail, but also at the expense of our safety.

@yamalama3142 3 ай бұрын

@@adriannamatos865you guys deal with extremely unstable people this girl does not seem like a danger to anyone

@keithbennett8516 11 ай бұрын

Yup...I've got that injection before.not fun

@sephiclou362 6 ай бұрын

Is that a Playstation 5 in the background

@A_Psych_Nurse 6 ай бұрын

i've been playing a little too much SF6 when i should be making vids. . .don't tell anyone my secret though!

@tamzar2440 11 ай бұрын

Nurse Sir 🙋🏼‍♀️ question - here’s what’s up & coming - happening now -& this group desperately needs HELP - cannabis use disorder / phychosis -- they give off schizophrenia bipolar symptoms ** but - just need to quit the cannabis- but won’t - bc they were lied to by sketchy weed drs / society that cannabis is “” medicine “” - & they can’t get out of the quicksand - omg

@aigillberg979 8 ай бұрын

Paranoia can easily be created with paovlo's dog technique to repeat. When I go shopping, the cashier lifts the bottle and drinks when our eyes meet. So do police officers and others. Also private persons. He works in psychiatry, I'm new to the channel. Authorities in Sweden know what I see online. Why do you want to make me Paranoid. Yes, what does the doctor do about my real problem. You can't always write the truth in the journal. Then you create a substitute. Mental illness is often about being embarrassingly created in some way. I think you should accept life as it is. The environment and the family feel great shame. I am embarrassingly created, my life does not get better with an invented diagnosis and heavy medications

@Tiffany90-gb2md 5 ай бұрын

Are these people also forced to get the Covid vaccination against their will..?

@A_Psych_Nurse 5 ай бұрын

when i worked at the state, our patients thankfully had the right to decline :)

@angelastrickland 7 ай бұрын

What hospital are you employed at, does your hospital know you are posting these videos??

@A_Psych_Nurse 6 ай бұрын

Prison currently--have no idea if my current or past employers have seen my vids though :)

@jenwahl-y7y 9 ай бұрын

I would never seek help after that..they do that in jail cells....a lot of the staff are not educated and they enjoy the chaos...low intelligence

@SageGarlandSingerSongwriter 4 ай бұрын

It did come across as invalidating her experience. That's what you did. People with power are also known to sometimes twist the truth, but instead of fully recognizing that, you chose to invalidate her experience instead. You are harming people when you behave that way. Otherwise, I really respect your opinions in this video.

@A_Psych_Nurse 4 ай бұрын

thanks for this comment. How would you recommend i express my disbelief of her experience without at the same time invalidating it?

@SageGarlandSingerSongwriter 4 ай бұрын

@@A_Psych_Nurse It's not a matter of process. It's not about how you said what you said, it's about the actual connect of your message in that part. There is a reason that both the patients and the staff might have said something inaccurate. The patients because they might have misunderstood somehow, and the staff because they might be covering for themselves. Without knowing enough information to be sure, you decided to centre on the reason the patient might be wrong over the reason the staff might be wrong. When people make these assumptions without proper evidence, it creates more opportunities for abuse and makes the power gap even larger. It stops patients from feeling that their thoughts, emotions, and sense of reality could ever be valid, even when they leave the hospital. They tend to experience this as degrading, and that negatively affects their mental health. Also, I know that not all people have significant memory gaps from times when when they were psychotic or in other extreme mood state. I suspect that you may have confirmed this to yourself in a circular way. As in, you decided that psych patients can't know what's happened and then based on that evidence, you did not always properly investigate why they might be right and said, "See? What they thought was wrong. I proved it." I'm sure you have also seen instances when the patients were actually wrong, but that doesn't mean you are allowed to write off unrelated possible abuses. It's also just possible that you haven't run into patients whose illness is such that it doesn't significantly affect their memory, even though they do exist. Think about the ways that your perception may not be 100% accurate if you would like to regularly apply that sort of, possibly painful, automatic distrust to the experience of an already often disrespected group. Thank you for asking instead of criticizing me. If you have more to say about this, I will read it when I'm ready.