Shimano EP801 Race Update - How Much More Power?

[@KiwiInGermanyMTB]

Its incredible how much content you guys are putting out now. You are probably the busiest MTB youtube channel. If you ever need a Journalist/Bike tester in Germany, I am keen as.

[@TheLoamWolf]

Thank you and yes. We are buried, under water and exhausted hahaha. But appreciate the offer and kind words. We’ll keep you in mind!

[@joehoeper3941]

I really enjoy the feel of the EP801 - I mostly find myself in trail mode and like the motor's natural feel.

[@MTBGeordieDownSouth]

Been using this since the update came out as i have the service tool, it's great, thought it had got another boost for a minute there when i saw this !

[@pctimber]

I updated my Shuttle LT and set the overrun in the middle and turned boost all the way up and holy shit man, whole different bike. Delivers more power in all 3 modes but boost is so fast. All 3 modes delivery more power at a lower cadence so less downshifts to stay on the power. I’ve never rode a Bosch race motor, but I don’t see needing more power than this puts down unless racing. Can’t wait for the incoming comparison vids to see what’s what

[@Riley880]

I got a Repeater with a ep8 only a year old, and I completely got shafted. Why cant shimmano push out a updated for older motors they all use the same app.

[@jayjavi00]

Why did shimano just give up on the ep800. 2 year old motor is already obsolete 😢

[@TAZMON20]

If it's still pushing your bike then it's not obsolete, updates will still be available, the EP801 was essentially developed with Di2 in mind to utilise free-shift etc but how many of us use that, the EP801 will again be updated which doesn't make the current model obsolete, companies constantly develop their platforms and systems otherwise they would stand still, the real point however is how much of their developments are relevant to you, your ability, riding style and budget, you can wish for every development and power assist you want but if you can't use it correctly then it's pointless.

[@AlgorithmicApostasy]

@@TAZMON20 I use the Di2 on my GT eForce and it's phenomenal. I don't use the auto shift feature, but the digital shifter is great for cruising the neighborhood trails.

[@ridemx323]

Battery consumption has entered the chat

[@AlgorithmicApostasy]

Increased battery consumption and reduced lifetime...

[@bryanmccauley3180]

I love my Heckler8 with EP8. But I really have a sour taste with Shimano. Completely alienating people with 1yr old EP8’s. I get not offering power updates for an older motor. But give us EP8 owners SOMETHING. I’d be happy if they gave us overrun.

[@jakemeibos9230]

I AGREE!! I am salty about this as well. Simano, please give the EP8 overrun!

[@OneRound79]

My heckler with EP8 is 6 months old and has about 500 miles. The motor started giving out errors and now it's been at the dealer for over a month. The problem they say is with the connector between the Darfon battery and the motor. Shimano dealer is taking forever to sort out warranty. I love the Heckler and how it rides but Shimano for me has turned out bad sadly. I doubt replaced connector will last long...

[@torreyhiker9137]

for sure. We have 2 Hecklers. the 2024 Heckler with EP801 and latest firmware update is a completely different ( better) bike than the 2022 Heckler with EP800. It’s very noticeable.

[@TheLoamWolf]

Thanks for sharing your experience. We’ll see if there’s any reason or plans for overrun to ep8

[@canieto1]

I’m glad my ep8 does not have overrun. I have another bike with overrun and I don’t think it’s necessary or desirable. That’s just me. Would love no rattle tho

[@lukenukem1164]

Great, I've got the ancient steam powered ep8.

[@TheLoamWolf]

Hahaha. Still better than wooden legs though right?!

[@lukenukem1164]

@TheLoamWolf for sure 😄

[@Mtb9r]

I have 1200 hard miles on my EP8. It’s not let me down yet. It’s got pretty good power very controllable the over run sucks besides that fucking pretty cool.

[@jltrack]

Same! I ride with the older EP8. Keeps up just fine with the Bosch bikes and Levos I ride with

[@jamesw1791]

I've had a pretty good experience with my EP 8 . I had a couple of issues with the battery that I got on my heckler, and they replaced it with a new one, no problem.

[@OscarHernandez-xx2je]

Very cool. Can’t wait

[@cleggycyclist]

wait? it has been released ages ago

[@jontoad]

I have the cable and updated my Pivot Shuttle with the 801 myself about a month ago. the boost slider has 2 notches it can raise from stock and it is a massive difference in feel in my opinion. i put the overrun to max, but i only put the top speed cutoff at the middle of the 3 settings. it feels pretty good though. it's like one MPH higher and still cuts off naturally. i haven't tried the speed cutoff at max. i was afraid it would be like hitting the top speed limiter on your car which is super unnatural. lol. i didn't buy the computer link cable just for this update, it's a little expensive to buy just for that. i had it so i can charge the start button battery every once in a while during the winter months when i don't ride the bike as much.

[@excelautodetailingceramicc1182]

This makes me want a Shimano bike

[@vuss2107]

They need to upgrade EP8 too that would be amazing. I’m Sour on shimano too buying a $12,500 AUD 3 months ago and get no updates pretty poor

[@rideordieactionsports9583]

Little late on this one, I had this update 5 months ago when the guys from the UK first reported on it. Back then you needed the dealership device but now it can all be done on the APP. The increased overrun is the most noticeable. Bike will do wheelies now if you hit it to hard.

[@anthonynazzal1958]

I’m seeing lots of people with the ep801RS motor who have done the firmware and who’s local shop contacts shimano to have the motor unlocked to full 85nm. (Orbea rise) But this isn’t something all shops or all shimano reps are allowing to be done Can shimano weigh in on this? Some people are getting it done by shimano (when shimano remote accesses the bike shop’s system and the bike etc) but other times shimano reps are telling the bike shops no, we can’t do that. Please can someone clear the dust on this?

[@pgson8929]

Ep8 on a norco range. I absolutely love that thing. I would 100% get another Shimano motor. We have a bosch in the house too and im not that fussed with it. I find the rattle on the bosch a deal breaker personally. Latest gen looks better obviously.

[@matangistation]

Love my norco range too, I wish we could get the 801 in it though.

[@AdventureAwaits4u]

Rocky Mountain has 700 watt output and 108 Nm. If you want the most powerful class 1 E bike in America, this is your bike. They are awesome too!

[@bfranco1519]

Unreliable though..

[@pedalhound]

@@bfranco1519 And they make you really work for that power! Using proprietary parts is always the best idea...lol.

[@jason540]

Agreed!!

[@mojoe2091]

Does this update include the previous model EP8??

[@ThomasGrundmann-Kahr]

so, is it now already in the app? im confused since this video was uploaded yesterday and today is November 27th…

[@TheLoamWolf]

Yes, indeed it is.

[@link6032]

why is this video so late ?, it's all out and you can do all this on the app since last month - great update either way !

[@TheLoamWolf]

Yeah we know… sorry about that. We were eyeball deep in our last shootout series and other big projects. Sadly we’ve got a small crew and limited time/budget to work with and we’re doing our best to keep up.

[@ThomasGrundmann-Kahr]

i was confused too. :)

[@HandsomeDanNZ]

And updates for the EP6 are…?

[@jeddartjusticemtb6676]

ShimaNO! There endeth the ebike motor lesson.

[@1776jackpot]

What app?

[@ktmkirby]

What I want to know is can I get my 23 Orbea Rise upgraded to 85NM and still be under warranty?

[@TCscot]

I’ve had two bikes with shimano motors and I don’t trust anything they say, my experience is poor to say the least.

[@JIBBING_1980S]

Make a review about Yamaha emtb motor

[@joseulloa8769]

Now tell them how reliable these motors are lol

[@barrakingbeatz7794]

Didn’t UCI drop ebik racing 2025?

[@rickylee7657]

You must have been hanging out with the Checkers MC. Great cheater line. You’ll learn to do it where nobody can see ya. Ricky Lee ( Former D-37 racer).

[@TheLoamWolf]

Haha thanks. My old man used to race with the Badgers and did a few Check Chaces back in the early 70s. What an era.

[@bmemtb6619]

Personally I was not impressed with the EP 801. It did have the power i wanted while it lasted. But I went threw 3 motors in 4 months. all had less than 500 miles on them two had less than 300. They all 3 suffered from the same problem. E-914. After that many problems i sent the bike back to Propain for a refund. Horrible Experience all together. Every ride I was worried I would be pushing my bike out of the woods.

[@TheLoamWolf]

Wow that’s interesting to hear and a bummer for sure. Thanks for sharing and better luck in next bike.

[@FU4547CONMAN]

Hey nick, my ep8 died after 500 miles and less than 2 years. Your warranty department is shit and I can't get any help

[@TheLoamWolf]

Sorry to hear that. Did you buy the bike through a bike shop or consumer direct brand? The shop or brand should definitely be going to bat for you and helping escalate the warranty or inspection process.

[@FU4547CONMAN]

Local shop has done everything to help. Unfortunately, shimano is not. Yeti 160e

[@megane230f1]

e010 error?

[@TheLoamWolf]

That’s a bummer to hear. Hope you get a resolution

[@BiggerDummy]

If Yeti or Shimano would support existing EP8 owners by offering an EP801 upgrade kit (motor, battery, switches, display, wiring kit) I'd gladly purchase it. Otherwise I'll ride this EP8 into the ground and likely never buy another Shimano motor ebike ever again. Bummed that they released the EP8 less than 6 months after my purchase and basically none of the existing parts are forward compatible

[@euanbegbie]

We want less weight, not more power

[@porroco]

Yeti should update that 8 years old ebike, i own that ebike and want to replace it for a modern ebike with MX config new motor and more range

[@pedalhound]

You can run it MX....my buddy is doing it and he loves it. The one downside of the 160e (I just bought one) is the battery size...wish it was just a bit bigger...but it sure is a helluva fun bike.

[@porroco]

Yeah, is an outdated ebike.

[@porroco]

I whish i could buy shimano parts on amazon, but only dealers sucks.

[@porroco]

I run it 27.5 with 5dev 155 cranks

[@pedalhound]

@@porroco mine has the 801... Its great...lol. I did a bunch of research and landed on the yeti...sorry you hate yours...it's an ebike...move on. By design they are going to be outdated in a year or two...the industry/tech is changing so quickly at the moment...ride it for a year or two and then sell at a loss...move on.

[@50whatnomadtravelnursemtb5]

I don’t get it, why was it even being used or sold detuned before this “tweek” I call BS.

[@MadMattJohnson]

I have 2 bikes with Shimano drive systems, one of them being an EP801, and I absolutely hate both of them. I will never purchase another bike with a Shimano drive system again and I could not recommend them to anyone wanting to buy. Multiple electrical issues with both bikes and had to replace a drive unit on one shortly out of warranty. Finding parts to repair these bikes is a nightmare on its own. Need a new battery or electrical harness? good luck finding one! I ride my bikes a lot and I just dont think Shimano has done a good job of engineering a product that lasts. Take it from a mechanic who rides a lot: DO NOT waste your money on a Shimano driven e-bike, chances are high that it will fail and you wont be happy with it...save your money and buy a Bosch or Brose driven bike!!

[@topchoice1621]

Serious question here, are ebikes killing the MTB market?

[@TheLoamWolf]

In what way do you think or have you heard it’s killing it? From an innovation or brand standpoint, we’d say no, because non-e-bikes are still getting released by brands at a rapid rate. But we’re curious to hear more specifically what area you are thinking. Thanks.

[@topchoice1621]

@ I watch several MTB channels and one in particular has said that some local bike shops are having a hard time selling regular mtbs because most of the people who are interested in joining the MTB community are asking for emtbs

[@TheLoamWolf]

Yeah, from that end we wouldn't be too surprised. We've always posed the question, imagine you are someone wanting to get into mountain biking, you walk into a shop and someone shows you a $6,000-7,000 mountain bike, or heck, even a $4,500 mountain bike. Then someone shows them an eMTB for the same price. A person would likely ask, well, what's the difference? This one weighs 20lbs more but has a motor and battery and will let you ride twice as far and get way more miles in....for roughly the same price. What person who isn't already a masochistic rider and enjoys the reward of climbing wouldn't choose the eMTB? haha.

[@danielpatino81]

The problem with Shimano is not really power the biggest problem is RELIABILITY!!!!!! Those shimano motors are nothing but problems!!!

[@MTBGeordieDownSouth]

No problems here

[@MTBzine]

No problems here, 3 years same motor

[@danielpatino81]

@@MTBzinelucky you!!

[@MTBzine]

@@danielpatino81 I don't mean to take light off of others that experienced problems with Shimano motors, but I'm just saying in my experience I, and no one in my circle of friends, had major issues with their Ep8 or 801 motors. Some had issues with 3rd party batteries, but nothing terrible with the motors, but my circle is like 10 people on these motors so I'm not speaking for everyone.

[@Coolcmsc]

Shimano are hopeless. I can’t get my EP8 serviced. I have to ride it until it breaks and then buy a new one from the U.K. distributor (not mentioned as it’s not their fault). So, this plan not to add the firmware update to the EP8 is entirely consistent with the premium charged for a new EP801 when your old EP8 (which you are not allowed to service, nor can it be serviced) claps out simply because you can’t service it (you know, lubrication and beating replacement, that stuff is banned - it won’t work as it must be recalibrated after any fiddling…).😢

[@ertman]

Over run should be banned.

[@Kev2Bee]

Why would it need to be banned? Turn it on, off, adjust the length. Having no option is less fun.