Shin Megami Tensei 5 - Boss Nahobino Abdiel [HARD]
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@ToastieMcMuffin2 жыл бұрын
tfw you beat this boss in two turn cycles because you decided to do the secret ending first run
@krispy_kornflake2 жыл бұрын
yes, completely ruined the last bosses... I just don't get why Lucifer was so easy. I mean, he wanted you to kill him, but still.
@diordiorgalore2 жыл бұрын
@@krispy_kornflake endgame is a joke period game has many flaws
@krispy_kornflake2 жыл бұрын
I thought Lucifer was true neutral only, oops Guess they did give him more phases, but that just means they in fact intended to make him harder and it still sucked
@neoonewingedren18362 жыл бұрын
@@diordiorgalore i had dificult with endgame battles because i went neutral
@VoltitanDev4 ай бұрын
Yep, and Lucifer was a pushover.
@BossALKENO2 жыл бұрын
Abdiel is really interesting. Unlike YHWH, who usually is a Law villain because it serves His ends, Abdiel believes in the forces of God’s Law so strongly, she chose to willingly defy God to serve His Order.
@jacopoarmini78892 жыл бұрын
Dazai does have a point, the gods are mostly insane assholes and should be kept away from humans as much as possible. He went a bit insane in the process, and Abdiel is a hypocrite, but both are well meaning in their madness.
@dantemustdie002 жыл бұрын
It also makes you think back to Apocalypse, Krishna's Salvation plan was never gonna work cause the Gods would get greedy again and start wanting more humans to worship them.
@Wizzard2202 жыл бұрын
Abdiel gets humbled after you beat her and while her goal is still very-much Law aligned (to restore God's Order at any cost) she willingly damned herself to achieve that goal (the form you see pre-battle is a Fallen, not a Herald). And Dazai also has a point on Chaos, where he talks about a world with a myriad of gods is bound to eternal strife (which the Chaos ending kinda confirms). At least teaming up with him and Abbdiel has a mostly-happy ending where you restore Order, but the Nahobino is less tyranical than YHVH and besides free will being gone no word on genocide or similar stuff is heard.
@mystery88202 жыл бұрын
Abdiel is ALWAYS a hypocrite. It only took killing her for her to FINALLY admit that GOD. IS. DEAD.
@christopherbravo18132 жыл бұрын
@@Wizzard220 I mean, we never get anything to suggest that God was tyrannical at all, other than His treatment of the other "gods" and banishing humans from Eden after they disobeyed the one rule He gave them.
@stingerredshock34182 жыл бұрын
@@christopherbravo1813 The angels deem anything that happens to be “fate” that cannot be mended. They kill indiscriminately as long as it serves the order. And demons who don’t become Nahobino turn into Miman and lose their memories, there are a few Miman lines in Taito that confirm this directly. On the contrary, there is nothing to suggest that Tsukuyomi’s Amatsukami will cause chaos other than “Dazai said so.” In the first place, Tsukuyomi never said anything about giving the reign to Zeus, Odin and co. He wanted to give the power to the Amatsukami to protect Japan as its prime minister, the rest was made up along the way because the writing team for SMT V is braindead.
@MikulOnIce852 жыл бұрын
3:32 I can't believe I'm saying this but I ended up feeling bad for Shohei Yakumo and Nuwa. By the time this fight came around I was getting tired of gods fighting over the right to rule and demons using humans for their own ends. I also felt I was being manipulated into sitting upon the throne of creation, so once Shohei died I wanted to take up his weapon on his behalf and destroy that throne so utterly that no one could ever fight over it again.
@cancer_banter18472 жыл бұрын
Damn, I can believe great value ryuji simped for the law route
@ubermaster12 жыл бұрын
Dollar Store Ryuji
@BaoNguyen-ig3zi2 жыл бұрын
99 cent store Ryuji simped for the law no screaming at all
@magoichi752 жыл бұрын
That’s why you don’t skimp on your blonde haired side kicks, you either put in the money for a good one or you get this….
@whyisblue923taken2 жыл бұрын
Wish Yosuke.
@kieranray53402 жыл бұрын
*Shin Ryuji Tensei
@nroland992 жыл бұрын
Ngl Up to this point I still felt sympathy and understanding for dazais mentality and enjoyed abdiels hypocrisy to accomplish her goals. Abdiel is debatably the law rep I can follow the most, willing to break the rules to uphold peaceful ideals. But at the same time this is also the only cutscene that makes shohei as sympathetic as I wanted him to be by the time of knowing his backstory. I wish he were given more screen time imo
@Keihzaru2 жыл бұрын
Who would've thought Logan Paul would be the Law Hero in SMTV
@MINTY_FN2 жыл бұрын
Actually really interesting seeing this boss without an overlevelled team that trivialises it. I really don't think the alignment bosses should have been less than level 90 when there are level 87 demons in the previous dungeon and Shiva's level 95. Makes these bosses a joke if you're going for the secret ending and honestly the level 87 enemies in the previous dungeon prompt the player to overprepare. I'd also say the fact Zeus is higher level than them is ridiculous too.
@ubermaster12 жыл бұрын
The level scaling is so off so I blame that for people overleveling. I vividly remember on my first run, when I got to Odin and saw him level, and he immediately clapped my cheeks, I went back to grind just for him to make it a fair fight, only to proceed to this last dungeon and see all the bosses get murdered by me, all because I leveled up for a boss 2 dungeons prior.
@dantemustdie002 жыл бұрын
@@ubermaster1 yeah the level scaling once you got to Taito was all over the place, you had the Orochi's, Rangda's,and the 3 Bethel bosses at least 20 levels higherthan you, then the Temple of Eternity had level 83 Mada''s and level 87 Chi You's (the only Tyrant seen in a field encounter), like how the hell did they not expect players to overlevel. And that's not including the fact that the true ending requires you to defeat Shiva which most player are gonna grind their team to the 90's to defeat him, and unfortunately Lucifer only goes up to 90 (should've honestly been level 99. So yeah the level scaling in part 4 is bonkers.
@Kspice90002 жыл бұрын
I feel it was poor attempt to make the MC feel like hes a god.
@Darkyan972 жыл бұрын
The saddest part is, that Atlus could easily fix these things with a couple of patches, but knowing them they won't do anything in terms of actual balancing.
@ribbon85462 жыл бұрын
I think i'm like, what.. level 76 at the time i'm fighting Abdiel? If I need to beat Shiva before beating Abdiel, i'll beat her right now, reload to before, then go beef up to take on the rest of the optional bosses before I come back and delete her. That way I can get the secret ending AND keep my pride.
@necro8192 жыл бұрын
I like how they subvert the usual Law characters' attitude by saying "in order to uphold God's Law, we must first break it. Without falling and becoming a Unified God, Abdiel would never have gotten as far as she did. I feel like the people commenting about SMT's writing don't actually understand the message behind the games. It was never about good vs evil, it is about the pointless struggle of existence while under the tyrannical control of higher powers. In SMT 1, the Chaos faction was represented by nationalist Japanese military force, while the Law faction was represented by the Americans who came to impose their ideal of law and order to the nation. SMT is ultimately a humanistic story, where humanity is the key factor to everything that happens. Without humanity, God, Lucifer, and even the old pagan gods have no power. They rely on humanity to live and strive. Abdiel wants to restore the law and order they believe to be correct, Tsukuyomi want to reclaim what was taken from them, Nuwa just wants humanity to be free from the gods and demons that would abuse them, and Lucifer just wants humanity to be freed from the shackles God put on them. Sorry if this seems rambly, I am just frustrated by the attitude of people who think writing is bad just because you disagree with the message, all while ignoring the context.
@sugarysalt75412 жыл бұрын
No, I think people(generally speaking) find V's writing bad because of how bland and ineffectual the characters are, the disproportionately high position the game puts them on, and how quickly the plot moves between the sparse story sections, giving you little to no material from which to build a firm disposition towards the route you take.
@demondays39562 жыл бұрын
the problem with abdiel's story isn't the theme of her arc being clear enough. the prblem lies entirely in dazai's character. throughout the game, he's always a weakling who simps for abdiel, and barely grows an inch troughout all his screentime. then you get to taito, and suddenly he goes from coward simp to maniacal zealot in one line. it's way too sudden, and unfiting for the story as a whole, because he's now presented as a saturday morning cartoon villain with loose logic and ambitions. there was no reason for this change to occur, nor was there any need for it. and for a series that's about the moral greyness of philosophy, how all options are either too extreme or equaly valid, portraying a character as a saturday morning cartoon villain, in an installment that lands more in the "all options are equaly valid" side, dosn't work.
@TheDsLeet2 жыл бұрын
@@demondays3956 Gotta admit though, his transformation was one of the only entertaining things that any character did in the game. Even of it was tonally out of nowhere, seeing him suddenly turn into Holy Knight Wesker made my day.
@justyouraveragememester50372 жыл бұрын
Dont worry, people on the internet dont understand philosophy or how to properly interpret writing
@christopherbravo18132 жыл бұрын
it's because I understand the "humanist" nature of SMT that I HATE the mainline games so much.
@mistahjenkins48262 жыл бұрын
Ah, yes, the perfect team... The spiritual union of a Demon and Human... The medium between the Zoroastrian believers and their god, Ahura Mazda... One of the four Heavenly Kings, said to lead the Gandharvas, a race of celestial musicians... And some demon on the shitter with SUPER bad constipation. = _=
@unknownbyself2 жыл бұрын
That's Christianity for you lol
@magoichi752 жыл бұрын
To be fair that demon has eaten a LOT of fiber so he has a good reason to be clogged.
@charcoal60172 жыл бұрын
Gotta admit he's a powerful af demon to be fighting and tanking while on the john.
@mistahjenkins4826 Жыл бұрын
@@charcoal6017 Okay, but like... This is supposed to be a really big fight, and it's hard to take seriously with this guy having trouble on the loo.
@charcoal6017 Жыл бұрын
@@mistahjenkins4826 Total flex on Abdiel and Dazai
@anggakarapreviandana28772 жыл бұрын
I'm gonna called Dazai, Grand Order Ryuji since he's Law aligned.
@whyisblue923taken2 жыл бұрын
Or call him Yosuke because Ryuji is a shittier Yosuke.
@anggakarapreviandana28772 жыл бұрын
@@whyisblue923taken So Grand Order Yosuke then?
@qazisgone72922 жыл бұрын
@@whyisblue923taken Atleast Ryuji doesn't force the girls to do something they're uncomfortable with lol...
@JRPGLOVER2 жыл бұрын
@@qazisgone7292 Yeah, except that one time in Shido's palace, where girls clearly didn't want to be groomed by that perv shadow at the pool. Or when he's the first one to consider Ann strip for Yusuke, which she was against. Yeah....
@qazisgone72922 жыл бұрын
@@JRPGLOVER Oh yeah i forgot that happened my bad.
@joshuaolsoncook2 жыл бұрын
Abdiel after she unlocked her Devil Trigger.
@rahyansuryaramadhan70822 жыл бұрын
She actually remind me of a demon in Devilman. Her name is Sirene, i think(?) It's after she fused with another demon
@krispy_kornflake2 жыл бұрын
I actually saw that, but holy shit did I hate that anime
@Kspice90002 жыл бұрын
@@krispy_kornflake It was fucking trash.
@cheesepuffsthings2 жыл бұрын
Indeed. The demon she fused with was named Kaim, who tore off his own head, and it resulted in a form much like this. In many of the Devilman continuities this was how Sirene ended up dying.
@kelvinorellana33182 жыл бұрын
@@Kspice9000 it’s really good wdym? 😃😃😀
@jondeiconic25522 жыл бұрын
Yikes.. never knew he would turn into that.. btw nice boss theme.
@sleepingforest39792 жыл бұрын
Same like wtf.
@theinbunch13802 жыл бұрын
I want Nuwa to step on me
@tcc57502 жыл бұрын
Same. Mommy Nuwa is waifu, along with idol Idunn, and ofc Cleopatra.
@AnxiousBipedal2 жыл бұрын
caught ya simping
@Xfactor123452 жыл бұрын
Did Dazai even meet numa and yakumo before this? This conversation feels rushed
@perovskitepowder81912 жыл бұрын
The best Boss battle theme in the entire soundtrack for me.
@peropero22082 жыл бұрын
Why does she sound like Alvin and the chipmunks
@dirtkiller232 жыл бұрын
Kinda unrelated,but aren't the Baal Avatar and Vishnu-Flynn Nahobinos before Nahobinos?
@dantemustdie002 жыл бұрын
I guess so in a sense.
@idkidc75132 жыл бұрын
At this point, SMT is just re-marketing their old ideas
@Fermin-hw5pd2 жыл бұрын
I see that with Vishnu Flynn, but I don't know if the demons in the IV world were Nahobinos before or just were part of nature
@mrhellvictor2 жыл бұрын
Metatron as well somewhat
@whyisblue923taken2 жыл бұрын
Nahobino is just a rip off Godslayer.
@snailthelostcow632 жыл бұрын
14:57 Oof…
@sayospecter67312 жыл бұрын
For a brief moment there, Buff got possessed by Sirlionhart
@bluejayriot2 жыл бұрын
@@sayospecter6731 "I understood that reference"
@danielmayonaka88182 жыл бұрын
When you don't put a single point in AG stat:
@Fermin-hw5pd2 жыл бұрын
@@sayospecter6731 Man I swear to God if I miss I'm going to be the maddest person on Earth
@ChronoSoul6 ай бұрын
Dan, they gave Abdiel such an awesome, metal look!
@christopherbravo18132 жыл бұрын
I hate how they intentionally make the Law reps seem evil here. still, Dazai does have a point.
@pn22942 жыл бұрын
They know their fanbase Their fanbase hates LG characters
@jonathangoodwin56092 жыл бұрын
You mean how like Law always is?
@sparktwochristopher72402 жыл бұрын
@@pn2294 LG characters?
@pn22942 жыл бұрын
@@sparktwochristopher7240 Lawful Good They’re considered boring
@Rannger312 жыл бұрын
It's sooooo forced
@LuccaRPG2 жыл бұрын
When ya go the law route, it automatically makes you an asshole. Dazai should have played previous SMT games. It never ends well.
@calitz872 жыл бұрын
I dunno, Amane from Devil Survivor was pretty chill.
@whyisblue923taken2 жыл бұрын
@@calitz87 She was too preachy. I went with my cousin Naoya. It was the total badass route.
@christopherbravo18132 жыл бұрын
@@whyisblue923taken he was a manipulative asshole who murdered me centuries ago. I went with every route other than his.
@ChronoSoul6 ай бұрын
I chose the law route in this game. All the routes ultimately continue to leave humanity in a world where the powerful dominate and run wild with their own agendas. But in Abdiel's route, you are the sole God with the power to shape the world as you see fit and solve problems. In Tsukuyomi's route, you give your power to an endless number of Living Nukes to war and bicker among themselves while oppressing humanity underfoot at their whim. In Yakumo's route, you leave humanity in a destroyed netherwold. And in Nuwa's route, you leave humanity in our present world with all its politics and problems, problems and without the divine power to fix its injustices - which is not that different from Tsukuyomi's world except the ruling class dominates instead of a pantheon of gods.
@metaphysicalmadman82442 жыл бұрын
So what's ur favorite ending?
@marczhune43802 жыл бұрын
Honestly, law ending. I find it more religiously understanding and better for mankind if they remained blissfully unaware of the sacrifices made on their behalf while peace remains ever lasting. Even if I prefer the true neutral ending
@KnakuanaRka2 жыл бұрын
I remember in previous battles that you were frequently putting up elemental dampeners to cancel the more powerful attacks; how come you can never seem to block Purgatorium?
@BuffMaister2 жыл бұрын
Purgatorium has fire pierce.
@KnakuanaRka2 жыл бұрын
@@BuffMaister Makes sense. 👍
@PervertedNovaxc32 жыл бұрын
Many of the end bosses have pierce moves. Just to make sure they hit you as hard as possible.
@alessandromaffi44982 жыл бұрын
Nahobino: Bucentauro Amore a Sorpresa
@wingsofwinter26002 жыл бұрын
The only ones that got up again
@carlosrgarcia19912 жыл бұрын
Ohh boy, ohh golly I wish I could use an ability that could heal or revive people as a nahibino.
@nore58882 жыл бұрын
Damn maybe God’s Natural Order ain't that bad
@rekreek53742 жыл бұрын
Ohhh my real name is Abdiel
@rollinfiber84902 жыл бұрын
How do you make your demons have the ability to use items?
@thunterarche2 жыл бұрын
miracle you unlock
@whyisblue923taken2 жыл бұрын
Miracle near the very beginning of the game.
@takumialbertusleonardo28582 жыл бұрын
Sparda is that you?
@j.d.c.r.2394Ай бұрын
Siren
@govnoed554555 ай бұрын
damn, i thought it was raidou
@thanakoto22392 жыл бұрын
Do you not have... concentrate?
@evilanimegenious2 жыл бұрын
Cus concentrate and charge in this were nerfed into the floor only being a 1.8 multiply er instead of a 2.5. Straight spamming does more damage without them unless you have a support demon with donum magici/gladi but that's more a shiva/demi thing as they're where getting the nahobino to hit as hard as possible actually matters cus they hit like a freight train too
@thanakoto22392 жыл бұрын
@@evilanimegenious does this also go for the pierce effect skill?
@evilanimegenious2 жыл бұрын
@@thanakoto2239 as its pierce + the next hit gets a charge/concentrate boost, yes looking at the numbers
@MegaIndradewa2 жыл бұрын
dazaaai
@elmeromogollon2 жыл бұрын
girimekhala made this fight way to easy xD.
@Kamisuitendo2 жыл бұрын
Wait, is that Ryuji from Persona 5?!?!
@Darksaviour2 жыл бұрын
No it’s Great Value brand Ryuji
@danielmayonaka88182 жыл бұрын
Nah that's 1 dollar Ryuji, he was in sale
@neoonewingedren18362 жыл бұрын
It's Challenge youtuber Ryuji
@whyisblue923taken2 жыл бұрын
Evil Yosuke.
@tgafan252 жыл бұрын
Yikes... Seeing an angel turning into a nahobino disgust me. (Reminds me of neutral route version of smt 4 that you are a light of the Unclean ones...)
@Fermin-hw5pd2 жыл бұрын
In what sense? Flynn did nothing and stayed human? You mean the...other 2?
@hunterkun29182 жыл бұрын
But the “Unclean Ones” were human? Flynn stopped being human once he sided with either Merkabah or Lucifer. He’s still human in the neutral route where he’s fighting for the sake of people of Tokyo so they could see the light again and live without the fear of demons.