Shirting The Issue

[@janets9179]

Should realize an artist has a keen eye and will expect perfection. He notices details the average person doesn't.

[@asomdesignco.2434]

Also graphic designers which makes me wonder how much experience their designer have, some printshop owners know minimal design and that’s why they hire us (graphic designers) I have 15 years of experience and 2 years in production my husband has 20 years experience in both and we both are cautious of every detail. A lot of printshop owners only have experience in one department lol so they do tend to oversee quality over quantity

[@kristic4472]

ESPECIALLY when it's their Own Artwork

[@getin3949]

I think the average person would have recognized this hot mess.

[@stevecarroll6760]

Then what happened to his hair?

[@mysros7717]

@@stevecarroll6760 his hair is beautiful shut up.

[@WesleyLindsey]

Okay so I'm a professional graphic designer and this is exactly in my wheelhouse. 1. It's totally on the plaintiff whatever they approve on the proof but 2. what the defendant gave him wasn't what was on the proof lmaooo. It's a completely different illustration technique and honestly it's ugly. We'd have to fight in the parking lot.

[@getin3949]

It's nice to see people agree with me and know what they're talking about. Marilyn isn't acquainted with commercial cameras, graphics techniques, etc...The Plaintiff didn't get what he gave, plain and simple. The Defendant altered his art. Not acceptable.

[@asomdesignco.2434]

I agree lol I would never approve something that came out of our production department. Where is t quality control here ??!! Lol This was not a complicated order at all

[@humaneleaguelancPA]

Lol

[@SV28888]

I don’t know anything about this stuff but maybe they should’ve done a sample tshirt for him so he could see how it would turn out?

[@bash547]

I want to video record you and the defendant slap fighting in the parking lot.

[@preciousgemstylez1768]

I" insanely" love his hair..

[@teaingram5942]

Rightttt

[@deshonebonyrowland-ward4552]

"keep in mind I'm an artist... And I'm sensitive about my sh*t" E. Badu U can't change an artist work a centimeter and it not be an issue... And rightfully so... It's hard to create... If u couldn't print it the way the artist wanted it.. U should've bowed out. The end.

[@catierollins8493]

I work in this industry...You always want to follow up with an email after a phone convo, confirming what you talked about.

[@benjimanmwilliams4922]

Hello beautiful 💐 smile 😁 ♀️ woman...

[@SL-rh9og]

@@benjimanmwilliams4922 creep

[@benjimanmwilliams4922]

@@SL-rh9og u need help 🆘

[@Zeropainter420]

Definitely plus make them sign off no revisions

[@groowanderer]

I do city work, often relaying messages between differing agencies, and every phone call has decisions or input that is crucial. So after every phone call I give and receive emails that highlight the phone conversations. I'm surprised to see any business not doing that at this point, because it's so easy to do.

[@vickyserr]

Why won’t the judge let this young man talk??🙄🙄🙄

[@kia4334]

She doesn’t let anyone speak 🤣

[@JayJay-me8zk]

I came to the comments looking for this. Seemed like she cut the plaintiff off even more than she normally cuts off the litigants 🙄

[@StevenDoh]

She kept asking him a question and immediately cut him off....like give him a second!! listen it's a different style than what he approved. Open/shut

[@traceyaz125]

I hate when she asks a question and then doesn’t let people finish their sentences. So rude

[@bassdmin7436]

Yes, she cannot control her flapping gums. Drives me crazy. I hate it.

[@George-mf5hq]

She does it all the time

[@lisanewton90]

haha - used her words against her. classic@@bassdmin7436

[@paulaitix77]

but their response to it is important in determining their honesty, she's intentionally tripping up their rehearsed story to get real

[@lindarocks209]

She is the one in charge and she has the case figured out by previewing the case...why waste time..?

[@dawnofthediy5585]

That's too bad. My son is an artist, and he's done that specific thing where he'll have his artwork printed onto t-shirts and other products, and they came out looking awesome exactly like the drawing. No pixel problems. Not sure what process he used, but it was over the computer.

[@silvanalillie4093]

His hair is (instantly) beautiful and curly!

[@KPbouj]

The defendant knew they couldn’t deliver and should have kept it a Buck with him. I have turned down work before because I knew I couldn’t achieve that particular look OR I knew it would be very tedious and I didn’t want to invest my time for that particular price.

[@getin3949]

That's a smart move on your part. It's much easier to turn a job down than to take on something you may have trouble with or cannot deliver altogether.

[@mychannel9403]

“Accused of not giving a shirt (shit)” lol

[@elyyd9368]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@nBasedAce]

I have done screen printing a lot and I can confirm that the defendant is lying. You can very easily get solid, defined lines with your first attempt. But, that is with silk screen printing though. I don't know if this guy goes the cheaper and much lower quality route.

[@getin3949]

I've done enlargements for over 35 years and yes, you will lose definition in a hand drawn photo. I don't know what medium he used whether it was pencil, a felt tipped pen, etc...There are a lot of factors that weren't mentioned in this case so I wouldn't go so far as to call the Defendant a liar. I think Rick that maybe you didn't hear the guy say it had to be enlarged from a small picture to the really large copy meant for the tee-shirt. Maybe I'm not clear about your statement but you didn't mention anything about enlarging a small hand drawn picture to a rather large piece to fit the T-shirt.

[@keannamariie3914]

@@getin3949 A

[@reneeroberts7716]

You are correct. The artwork can easily be vectorized, to allow for sharp, clear lines. The defendant didn't explain that option.

[@trippycxspvr]

Most likely his shop is lower quality but he tried to advertise as higher quality

[@mikesteele05]

You don’t know what services the defendant offers. The plaintiff might have had a budget and the defendant was working within that budget.

[@peryole]

That shirt is way too pixelated. I'm not an artist and even the average person could recognize that and that it clearly could have been done better based on average items on the market today. The judge is downplaying this and insulting that young man, anyone in their right mind would expect better. Fuck yeah he cancelled the show, it was mean to put his work on display and I don't see any artist embarrassing themselves with such shoddy work.

[@getin3949]

His original artwork had NO halftones used in it's rendering so the final product should not have looked as it did. The print shop fucked up, period!

[@C3yl0]

It is not about a judge downplaying the art is about contracts law. The plaintiff needs to proof breach in the contract itself.

[@driafibromyalgiafighter9342]

I felt like she downplayed his complaint as well. Yes, he's an artist, but those shirts were 🗑 like he said.

[@michelehemlokhexwhite4310]

Absolutely love the t'shirt colouring contest. What a fantastic idea. Genius!

[@jamilapendi3287]

Aww the plaintiff is a cutie I can totally see him writing children's books!

[@engineer4life189]

the plaintiff is mad talented with the drawing

[@nancygodsey8312]

Yes. If done correctly, the t-shirts would have shown his great artistic ability. He was correct not to use the shirts as his artwork. Because it wasn't. Good luck from now on. You rock it!

[@fjccommish]

Nope. His stuff is mad generic crap.

[@oldageisdumb]

@@fjccommish you can tell that from one pic? Lol

[@fjccommish]

@@oldageisdumb I was kidding.

[@oldageisdumb]

@@fjccommish You might clarify on your comment because there is no way to tell your joking. It appears the opposite

[@asomdesignco.2434]

I have a small printshop, I never ever run anything without approval or the customer reading and signing my terms. Deposits are never returned once we start working on their projects thank goodness I have never gotten this problem because I have been vigilant about protecting my work and my business

[@kafka35]

You clean it up and explain how it’s done to the artist. I worked in the print industry and I’m an artist. Some printers just assume the artist will know what’s going on and don’t explain why things happened the way they do. It’s so annoying having been on one side and now on the other side…

[@kafka35]

Good ruling…

[@xoneeleven]

The defendant certainly does understand the complexities of the differences between different file/art types and the issues associated with them.

[@ziddi2603]

Immediately when i saw the plaintiff, he WON in my opinion based on the SEXY factor alone!!!! 🤣

[@adammiller9179]

Gross

[@Dasiah_Gaming]

The defendant lying through his teeth The judge should’ve never made him feel like that t shirt wasn’t horrible, it was period and if he brought that to the convention where seasoned artist COMIC book artist who are very picky, would’ve judge the t shirt very harshly

[@Zeropainter420]

There’s nothing wrong with the art itself . Take a digital picture of the velum then render that photo into a vector . Charge the client for vectoring. then print the shirts . Sounds like the printers are incapable. Simple sign making . Had they tried to cut that as a sticker it would be a zillion pieces

[@asomdesignco.2434]

Honestly it was just a matter of playing with the levels and sharpening it slightly.

[@humaneleaguelancPA]

Thanks for the explanation!

[@chimayoshite]

exactly. they just suck at their job.

[@Nini_473]

Yh it seems like he's not up to date in his skill

[@kristic4472]

defendant's a scammer. you don't mess with someone's artwork. if it's not going to work on the tshirt, you still print it as the artist/customer says they want it, that way if it turns out sucky than it's on them. you change anything, you're not authroized to do it and you lose

[@adammiller9179]

Really? A "scammer"?? lol. I seriously doubt that.

[@amandasanchez6398]

I agree with the plaintiff. That shirt job looks HORRIBLE. I’d want a refund too. I use to work somewhere where they screen print tees. This looks like a little kid took a pencil and stenciled it on the shirt. 🙄

[@debshaw680]

Looks like it came from Wish.

[@adammiller9179]

That's what you get from a hand drawing. Maybe he needs to invest in some better software.

[@JonParrYucatan]

Insanely..."You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means".

[@getin3949]

I've NEVER heard of a shop using halftones for artwork that came in hand drawn with a pen, pencil or felt tipped pen. I would have sued the man and his shop also. Those shirts are horrible. Marilyn, you got this one wrong as far as not knowing about this process.

[@kylahaynes4099]

He won? How was she wrong?

[@MustardKay]

@@kylahaynes4099 They said she was wrong about the process not about the ruling

[@rosewendproductions3428]

Halftoning is needed for screen printing. Otherwise the lines become to broad and it looks worse. I am not in this industry but I am in the art industry and I did take classes on print work. I just think the communication lacked.

[@thebookwasbetter3650]

The fairly looks like she has a mustache. It's poor work.

[@getin3949]

@@kylahaynes4099 She knows nothing about using halftones which were NOWHERE in his artwork. The man totally altered his art.

[@adrianprince7266]

Fact is the planet didn't receive what he played for. So he deserves his money returned.

[@kingmarquez99]

She can be such a bully at times. I fee, sorry for the plaintiff.

[@k.derbigny6314]

And that’s exactly why we have the customer come in and look at the item the want printed on the shirts to be on the color shirts they want. It may take a little longer for us as the printer but the customer now have what it’s going to look like once it’s finalized. Just a mom and pops shop tho.

[@asomdesignco.2434]

We send out mock up samples with disclaimers, I always let them know that if it’s low quality so will their shirts. I advice them on what to do and give them options. I never run anything approval and so far they understand. I sometimes zoom in the image and take a screenshot and send it to them I tell them this is how pixilated your image will look lol sometimes it’s not much but that clears up everything for them. Not everyone understands that a small resolution image cannot be expanded and look good people think we can do miracles which we can try when is possible. Time is money and unfortunately I can’t afford to spend a lot of time in a project so I won’t do a sample unless the customer requests an sample order. But that’s rare unless we have a peculiar client than yeah we will spend the time given.

[@humaneleaguelancPA]

You are a lot smarter than the defendant ensuring the customer gets exactly what they want...good business practice!

[@debshaw680]

It was the day before the event.

[@jamesbryant9514]

Before printing so many shirts, he should have did just one to get it approved before doing so many.

[@Marc-King777]

That's just too much like common sense for them to do that.

[@Pinchington]

The point behind vector art is that it can be resized with no pixelation

[@portlandgirlx0x096]

I hope he found someone to print the t's properly! I would buy 1! He is very talented!❤️

[@spacepanda9037]

If it wasn’t doable he shouldn’t have done the job

[@Ladysugarshaft]

The plaintiff is a cutie, and I’m just here for the “he’s a cutie” comments.😍😋

[@maxinef6654]

The plaintiff’s hair is gorgeous. Very curly.

[@bunji_beans]

I feel bad for the plaintiff. It's really discouraging for an artist when you're trying to make a name for yourself and someone tries to take advantage of you. I'm glad that he seems to be taking it in stride and learning from his mistakes.

[@butterflyroho6470]

He’s really talented and a CUTIE!😉

[@MortalKowboy]

"He's an artist... and he's sensitive about his sh*t." 🎨😎

[@alicialynnette9889]

Facts!!!

[@Ladysugarshaft]

😂💯

[@RacieRain]

She really needs to stop talking over the litigants. My goodness!

[@ReinaZorra]

She's emotionally immature.

[@Aya-ilja]

She's a judge not a journalist

[@mangoblade3877]

@@ReinaZorra no she just doesn’t want to hear the bullshit that litigants tried to spew out to try and change her mind

[@ReinaZorra]

I disagree. A proper judge listens, then renders judgements. Listening being key!

[@bassdmin7436]

She is incapable to control her flapping gums. Drives me crazy.

[@d-nice4311]

Oooh ok that’s one of the DeBarge relatives suing for shirts made for his concert that wasn’t done right gotcha

[@kristinblumreich8642]

I'm a working designer/illustrator for 30 plus years. Plaintiff was using a pencil drawing, he should have redrawn it in ink. There's shadowy gray tones throughout that needed to be cleaned up before printing if he wanted crisp line art. The only reason the defendant would use a halftone screen (see images printed in a newspaper as an example) would be to capture some of those gray areas that would have otherwise dropped out with a clean contrasty scan. halftone is NOT pixelation. The defendant prob could have cleaned up the artwork but that's an extra charge in my book but...he should have provided a proof with the halftone already applied for approval. This didn't turn out well unfortunately, illustrator plaintiff has some things to learn about screen printing and the printing process in general.

[@joeythemoose]

He’s “insanely” happy, the guy does “insanely” good work. I was expecting him to say the art career is going “insanely” well 😂😂😂

[@zoeg7985]

The artist going on national tv did himself no service by showing he was inflexible. He had a tantrum and refused to go to the show which was self destructive. He said he collaborates with authors illustrating books. He’d be someone I’d hate to have to deal with because he won’t compromise and might have an “artistic difference fit” and walk off the project pffft

[@HAZYHEAUX]

Judge Milan kills me with the interrupting

[@Childfree334]

Hope everyone is having a fabulous Hump Day🍹

[@michaelc3977]

Every day is hump day, and it's not fabulous.

[@jasonhubbard4533]

Dope artist. Original on vellum...holy crap. Skills.

[@vanessas-vshaw3566]

Anyone notice the announcer said “the PLAINTIFF did not deliver” instead of the defendant??? 😂 Had me confused for a sec

[@tiffkimbrel71]

My husband is a graphic designer. He deals with this all the time. People send him screenshots and expect him to produce a pristine product.

[@janojankins]

It's horrible I know.

[@flo-dd5sw]

So your husband is a crook too?

[@janojankins]

@@flo-dd5sw ooh good one...there you get your daily troll points since I responded?

[@aeriefaerie1166]

This is my industry. To print shirts like that is negligent and opportunistic. They should have directed the artist to provide vector or quoted him to vectorise it. No vector, no job because you won’t like the result. Reimburse the man.

[@morennamarina]

The problem is because the judge had no idea about how does things works

[@justinturner8278]

Vellum? I didn’t think that was a thing anymore.

[@StevenDoh]

Good judgement. The Guy should have still went to the festival and shown his drawing and then take orders for shirts. Silly paying for a table and not showing up when he could have.

[@jawg2392]

defendant avoiding copyright issues with art... so he can sell the same item with no intellectual property

[@chimayoshite]

I'm a graphic designer... what you have to do with hand drawings is to "vectorize" the image. or you put it on a solid background like put a rectangle or circle behind the image... also depends on what procedure used to put it on the shirt. basically it's possible. seems to me their designer was just lazy or inexperienced.

[@stephenbanks5952]

Was it decided if he could have made it look better or was that really the best it could look? I agree that if he changed it then he should have printed one and got him to approve or disapprove before completing the whole run.

[@alicialynnette9889]

"Not giving a shirt" 🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️🤣🤣 Those shirts were trash.

[@uniqueLB23]

Insanely the word for the day

[@debshaw680]

If you can’t do the job, don’t take the job. He tried to rip him off because of his age.

[@domjones_who3849]

AS AN ARTIST MYSELF...THEY DID A TERRIBLE JOB ON THOSE SHIRTS

[@janojankins]

For an additional cost I would have made a vector of it if he was my client. I'm guessing he didn't want to pay for vector.

[@kimr5479]

The Plaintiff is "insanely" talented!👍😊

[@ShugaAnnSpyce]

Lovely man. 😍

[@anjuelle3997]

When I was in high school, I did a work of art for my Latin Club. The work was placed on shirts, and it transferred perfectly. I do not understand why they made so many changes.

[@tiffanytrojan]

The plaintiff is cute 😍.

[@shaymont478]

Can you let the man speak!

[@bigtpulley2036]

Lol a scan of a pencil drawing sent through the internet is going to be pixelated if that's a word. He should have drawn it with an art sharpie. Then sent him the original copy.

[@candacemack1273]

You can do that but the best way is to put the drawing in procreate and draw over it and then send that over. Cuz the then lines will be darker and it's already digital. Then if he wants to color it open it back up in procreate and color it. It's best have artwork digital if you're putting it on shirts for dtg

[@EasyGrilling101]

I was on the defendants side till I saw how crappy that print was. The defendant didn't change the design, they simply did not re-working the artwork in the correct format, which is so important to do the print correctly. At the very least this should've been noticed when they printed the vellum. That's why you need a high quality printing company not these quantity over quality guys. This should never have happened, if you need a great printing company "Shirt Smith" is the best. Yes I am bias since I'm promoting our families business.

[@sthiggs79]

OMG Judge... let the dude SPEAK!!!

[@yodalayheehoo5447]

Plaintiff is adorable 😍

[@loveyoutube2177]

Defendant is sketchy. Never tamper with the clients work. He should have received all the money back. So much missed money.

[@BLeeHoney]

Omg I couldn’t listen to the plaintiff talk.

[@tessiesmith3926]

if the job was not doable then they should not have taken the job

[@g.i.goonie7331]

"He's accused of not giving a shirt" lmao.

[@fenomfangx]

I use to vectorize art for tee-shirts and vinyl graphics and the defendant did a crappy job.

[@jcymngo]

He's wack for not going to the fesitival.

[@flo-dd5sw]

No. He's human and was discouraged.

[@m2gautam]

I’m surprised there was no sample approved

[@WarGrowlmon18]

If there was no other way of doing it THAN DON'T DO IT!!! Simple as that!!!

[@felicitassa]

What is this case about? I spent the whole time admiring the plantiff lol 🔥🥵😍

[@poppy6271]

To people sending in drawings to screen printers. If you don’t do it yourself ask if the in house art director can convert your work to a vector and ask the thread count of the screens they use. You can get a great amount of detail in screen printing but you will pay for it.

[@GreekYogurtGranola]

I like he artist and his ideas for the art show

[@Lucky_ness]

Why didn't they print one then let him see it before doing everything?

[@vicamur]

I think that the shirts looked awful, not at all what the artist intended. I wouldn't used them either if they were supposed to represent my art.

[@larrybrown3951]

He seems to be a little more entitled than anyone else on the planet. I'm surprised that he isn't describing himself as a social media influncer.

[@Geronimo2Fly]

I'm not in the business so maybe I'm just naive, but it seems like it would be far better business practice to print one shirt and have that approved, rather than a digital picture that someone just views on their cell phone.

[@naigepippens1622]

I would be appalled if my artwork came out looking like that in tee shirt form. ...But I also believe the Defendant when he said that the Plaintiff approved the work on a smart phone and didn't have the advantage of seeing how 'the whole complete picture' would turn out before approving it.

[@nataliemscrzysxycoolharris]

The Defendant shoulda never signed on to do the job. You don't alter someone's work without their permission.

[@mikesteele05]

He had permission to alter it. The defendant just had no evidence that he ever communicated to the plaintiff that the print quality would be so bad.

[@EasyGrilling101]

That's why we have art approvals signed and any problems should be worked out ahead of time, then another art approval is sent and repeated until both parties are on the same page. Some of the designs won't appear the same when compared to the printed version.

[@christopherbako]

Judge couldn't find Bigger earings.

[@johnjameson6113]

Sheba why did you let Maurice Hubbard through the door

[@viperscratchoffs]

Yeah the plaintiff could still of still to the festival ,and pretty sure he would made money off those shirts. Anybody buying those shirts ,I would doubt they would of noticed anything like that 🙄

[@quentinjones4932]

Not the radio station😂

[@mistiinseattle]

Those shirts look awful. No artist would sell their work looking like that

[@craZbeauTful]

Judge is such a mean girl🙄

[@LeRoszay]

The plaintiff is fine 😍😍

[@wynottgivemore9274]

Regardless of what or who was in the wrong ...the artist certainly is way to picky and couldn't make lemonade 🍋 from Lemon's if his life depended on it...so what if it wasn't exactly what he was expecting,he should have just moved forward with all his plans . after all that's how lots of stuff has been invented over the centuries.😔

[@ninosimone]

The shirt is horrible ‼️ I’m glad he didn’t go because why push a product you’re not satisfy with .

[@scottc3713]

I’ve been screen printing since 1991. The defendant is either full of it or just doesn’t know what he is doing or his artist doesn’t know… or they just don’t care about putting out quality work. They should be embarrassed for charging so much for crap.

[@whostosay3256]

Communicate people!! We know it’s the biggest problem and we still don’t do it. Judge Milan looks awesome.

[@leebraddock8624]

Harvey says "defend danht"

[@cmcarlile]

Dude looks like Orlando from The Wire.