Shogun 1x10 FINALE REACTION!! “A Dream Of A Dream”

[@BlindWave]

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[@GopherBaroque61]

I thought that Shōgun was just a miniseries. There will be no Season 2.

[@Stigger1977]

I really liked the character of Yabushige an I LOVED the Toranaga/Yabu exchange at the end. It really put a Cherry on top.

[@brandonelkin3166]

Season 2 haha there's is No more seasons guys

[@MycoArsenic39]

Mariko to Fuji and her baby in the first episode: “Let her hands be the last to hold her child.” Fuji to John in the final episode: “Let your hands be the last to hold her.” ….. poetic full circle.

[@hazri8758]

Also this line "Why tell a dead man the future?"

[@HopeAndrea_HFG]

@@hazri8758Yup, 2 great lines repeated

[@srai5333]

John was also the last one to pipe her.

[@Geezman1977]

And it brought even us so much comfort. Such subtle writing.

[@MrConredsX]

If Blackthorne supposed to follow his historical counterpart then it means he would eventually marry Fuji-sama

[@Geezman1977]

That No Translator scene really got me. Cosmo really shines in the quieter moments.

[@chance757]

same here. this show has left me with such heartache over a “fictional” character.

[@Pi2po]

when Kiku explains the meaning of the empty space and its symbols it makes all sense during that scene, brilliant

[@JuanCarrillo-Nava]

Btw, for anyone confused, Blackthorne never made it back to England, the "Old Blackthorne" sequences were more akin to a dream or a "what if" scenario" than reality.

[@heesoo18]

I think why the episode title had the words dream in it

[@Tylerm1013]

As soon as he threw the cross in the water that future was eliminated.

[@Scharrer23]

i imagine a lot of mainstream audience could be confused. I was for sure. i didnt recogice it as marikos cross while watching it live.

[@caguko]

That's sad as hell :/

[@buntado6]

@@caguko It's a bittersweet thing, I honestly think Blackthorne himself was already feeling dislussioned with the idea of returning. Why did he imagine himself as very deteriorated and bedridden oldman? Because he was becoming scared of living indefnitely, reaching a point where the only thing he could do now was wait for death. The moment he almost commited seppuku is when he replaced that with the local concept of dying meaningfully.

[@kotarou-x]

Nobody remembers that Yabushige was the one who originaly mentioned "Why tell a dead man the future?", when Omi asked whether or not they should tell Toranaga about the cannons and guns.

[@k.k.2751]

Yeah, this was such a good line that shows Toranaga knew EVERYTHING

[@MustardSkaven]

Nobody remembers? It's mentioned in every comment section regarding the finale.

[@kotarou-x]

@@MustardSkaven I mean the reactors. I only saw 2 reactors realizing this was Yabushige's line.

[@sawkevinnoel7954]

​@@kotarou-x Which channels? I have to check it out.

[@NKP-nh3ip]

@@kotarou-x NO reviewers in their reaction uploads mentioned this in the many I saw.

[@bustedsim]

People disappointed in this SERIES finale for having all build up and no pay off don't realize the point was not to get to a big battle scene, but to win the war before the battle even began. Toronaga succeeded before the armies were assembled, that was the point.

[@lucassymon3152]

Yep. Even in the book the battle is not that big of a deal. The build-up is the main point.

[@yiledute]

Literally text book Art of War

[@pizza11536]

womp womp bro shit was ass

[@UserAvailableName]

Wish we would've ended the series in the aftermath, didn't really need the battle, your rights but it still felt a bit pwomp pwomp. Like idk man, really didn't feel a sense of closure even with all the closure scenes we got. That's how I feel and there ain't nothing I can do about that.

[@thomodachi]

They learned nothing from the death of Nagakado, like a fool who rushs into battle.

[@lizomkhize]

"I refuse his request" ~ Toranaga (every time Anjin thinks of asking for something)

[@cis4659]

facts lol, he never seen blackthorne as equal.

[@Jordanx204-w7w]

@@cis4659 why would he? guy's some random dude from england that came with his own self-interest lol. He just used him as blackthorne would've possibly did if he didn't lose his crew and got into this mess.

[@SpoopsdaGawd]

@@Jordanx204-w7w He's a useful Jester 😂

[@BillFinger27]

I refuse, but I'mma promote you. LOL

[@remssser2256]

@@cis4659dude is literally about to be shogun,nobody is equal to him.

[@fuzzed217]

After marinating in this ending for a few hours, I've come to a conclusion that, in the end, Ishida and Toranaga are the two sides of the same coin - two men, who seek power, but one of them is acting, while the other one is reacting. Both are callous, both are manipulative, both are dangerous. This show (and the book itself) does a wonderful job for you to feel empathy for Toranaga, for the injustice that he faced and dangers he lived through - and yet, he is no better than the rest, just as Yabushige said. Amazing show, one of the best in the modern time.

[@alizard9228]

Only Ishido posed a threat to the heir, this was made apparent earlier in the season when they say Ishido will kill the rest of the council and then the heir. Toranaga would never hurt him and is only carrying out the wishes of the late Taiko in watching out for him.

[@americanandpinay]

The come from separate upbringings. Ishida was a peasant samurai who rose high in the ranks for his skill in battle. Lady Ochibe believes he is the one who is bending fate to his will and that is why she joined him. However, she realizes Toranaga, a lord from a middle-class family, is actually the one controlling the fates of all those around him. Taiko's wife told her that she could be whatever by bending fate. In the end, she chose wrong. Her son was married to "Toronaga's" daughter, but his line would not be the Shogunate that ruled Japan for 250 years. Mariko is the only fictional character that doesn't exist in the timeline. She existed a little earlier. Lady Maria did what she did in the show, but by burning down her house, and that set half of Osaka ablaze. But her act of rebellion was the spark that drove the high lords into supporting "Toronaga" a few years later. So, Ishida represents liberalism through change. That a common man can go far. Toronaga represent conservatism. Traditional values will hold sway in the end. They both use similar methods to achieve their desires. Ishida is ruling through power of pretend council. Toronaga retains absolute power. Ishida will sacrifice all to save Japan. Toronaga will sacrifice a few lives to save thousands.

[@TehIdiotOne]

@@alizard9228 IIRC the real Toranaga(Tokugawa Ieyasu) make the Heir commit Seppuku after he won?

[@matdrat]

@@TehIdiotOne Ieyasu let Hideyori lived but the Toyotomi line came to an end in 1615 at the Siege of Osaka Castle.

[@hafor2846]

@@alizard9228 Yeah, don't bet on that. Toranaga fooled everyone. Him wanting to become Shogun means he is completely willing to go against the Taiko's will.

[@islandgirl75]

That beautiful scene with Fuji and Blackthorne in the boat both broke me and gave me peace. I need everyone to win all the awards.

[@BigDamnHero74]

All the awards ❤

[@ArjunaDixit]

All the awards ❤

[@Quzga]

Also the same place James clavell had his spread

[@travisspazz1624]

Fuji Sama.....best nun.

[@americanandpinay]

Truly.

[@Scrumshiz]

Nun with a gun

[@stdocyuze9000]

Nun of my business.

[@KW-ps6hk]

Personally. I think Blackthorne's trip on the boat and her scattering er families ashes into the sea was Blackthorne asking once more for her to stay and her agreeing.

[@MrChaosi]

​@@KW-ps6hk maybe, it kinda implies that she would stay, atleast that was the vibe i got from her smile and that romatic wide shot of them sitting in a boat together.. basicly the show telling us they are "shipping" them.

[@ronstoppable1133]

I love that particular detail in Blackthorne's "deathbed". Suppose to be decades into the future yet his grandchildren's clothing were still of his period. The scene misleads you into thinking he moved on eventually, then the inconsistencies let's you realize it was a fever dream not a Flash Forward.

[@chewiewins]

Holding Mariko's cross was the most definitely made it a dream

[@shuaty]

I loved when Fuji told Anjin to let his hands be the last to hold Mariko just like how Mariko let Fuji be the last to hold her family 😢

[@monsterking1973]

I know a lot if people were disappointed that we didn’t get to see a big battle at the end but we didn’t need one this finale was great as it was

[@Crimsonsky1851]

i am one of the people who is excited to see a big battle. but maaaaaan this episode was so good that i realized that i dont need to see a big battle in order to be happy with this season ender. just wow

[@SparkyClarke]

I wasn’t expecting a big battle or anything childish like that. I wanted so much to appreciate this show but the finale just left me feeling empty. Maybe I just don’t get it but it just didn’t do anything for me.

[@travisspazz1624]

Some war dramas aren't about fighting a war, but preventing one.

[@shadi6484]

@@SparkyClarke I recommend reading the real history of that era. (the last years of Sengoku era and the beginning of Edo) honestly, the real history is even more interesting than the story of this show. Read about the real people that these characters were based on (the real Toranaga whose name was Tokugawa Iyeyasu, the real Ishido aka Ishida Mitsunari and a lot more). You should certainly read about the Battle of Sekigaraha as well, which was briefly mentioned by Toranaga, but in reality, it was actually the largest battle in Japan's feudal history ever! Generally, that era gives me a similar vibe to Dance of the Dragons (from GRRM's Fire & Blood) or Wars of the Roses (from real English history). They're all about civil wars, mostly between two sides. The story of the Battle of Sekigahara is really interesting and tragic. Fortunately, there are some other works to watch; I recommend watching the BBC docudrama episode of Shogun, they did a pretty good job. There are also lots of youtube videos/animations about the battle itself, you can watch them too and get to know how Toranaga in real life defeated Ishido in real life. And don't forget to check out the fate of the crown prince (Ochiba's child) in real history because that'll surprise you! So, yeah. These are my recommendations. They could probably help you filling the empty inside you.

[@HopeAndrea_HFG]

@@SparkyClarkeSame. A little anticlimactic

[@mattjofre]

"Flowers are flowers because they fall. But thankfully, the wind". Mariko is the flower, Toranaga the wind. Her death was given purpose; because of her the war was won before it even began. It's such a beautiful, layered show. Will be sorely missed.

[@jimmygreer2140]

I learned in the show's podcast that the lake where they filmed the ashes & Mariko's cross scene is the place where Clavell's ashes were scattered. Amazing how beautiul life can be to come around full circle like that. The creator of this story being united forever with props of characters he had created. In fact, this show was planned to be shot in Japan. But covid happened and filming in Japan was impossible. So it was like something straight out of Clavell's book....an "act of god" made it possible for Mariko to reunite with his ashes. And what an amazing job the show did. I give ALL the flowers to Anna Sawai for having carried and delivered the greatest tragic character I have been blessed to have seen in ANY media format.

[@takutubepalms]

Anjin is a real person. His grave is in Kanagawa Prefecture. He lived in Japan until his death. The nearest station is Anjinzuka Station on the Keikyu Line.

[@genten34]

The 18th head of the Tokugawa family attended the 400th anniversary of Anjin's death in 2019.

[@jeffhall2411]

the scene with fuji and the Anjin was to me one of the best i have seen. Beautiful..

[@MrDylan102]

That feeling I got when I saw him drop the cross and realised that 'flashforward' was the dream he let go of, just wow. So many awards for this show and the cast combined. One of the best series that I've watched for sure. I also thought there would be a season 2 as I hadn't read the book but reflecting on the finale, it ended perfectly.

[@amrosoronar1853]

Toranaga is a master manipulator who used everyone around him to achieve his goal. He deceived everyone into thinking he's righteous when in fact he is no different from everyone else. "A Dream of a Dream" - Blackthorn going back, growing old and dying in England is a Dream which he had to let go. He never left the Japans. By the Way, This is a Mini Series so no Season 2. And there shouldn't be. Why ruin a perfect ending.

[@FreeBandz658]

I think you summed it up perfectly, i did want to see more combat but the manipulation of the audience and the characters by Toranaga was top tier. I genuinely believed he didn’t care about being Shogun when he wanted it all along

[@KaiOcean]

Exactly. Why ruin perfection. The poem is finished. No sequel needed.

[@jddubisek9263]

I mean, there is nothing to sequel, what follows is 250+ years shogunate. Toranaga is based on Tokugawa Ieyasu.

[@Trollbaiter]

@jool7793 He ended an era of constant political fighting and bloody wars to unite Japan for a few centuries of peace and stability.

[@easternlights3155]

​@jool7793 I wouldn't call him a villain. I think that at least in this version, his ambition is born of a genuine desire for peace and prosperity of his country, not personal gain. You can see him struggling emotionally throughout the show, even when he's alone and there's no-one to deceive. In my opinion, he is just so deeply convinced that his way is the only way at this point that he's willing to do even things that cause him a lot of grief personally, all to achieve what he believes is best for Japan.

[@OrionInSpace]

This was truly one of the best experiences of my lifetime with television. I hope this wins all the Emmy’s. I hope that Cosmo Jarvis and Anna Sawai are given more roles in the future given I’ve only seen them in two things. Hiroyuki will always be the goat, no matter what. Music was incredible, production, writing, dialogue and action when there was some. I’m so glad I can live through this time where we get all these Japanese stories that will make me more invested in that world and culture.🙏🏻

[@finger3306]

What was the other tv show or movie you've seen with cosmo in it? It's all good if you don't remember it's title

[@apollodorus4759]

@@finger3306 Peaky Blinders. He played Barney, the veteran sniper friend of Tommy Shelby with shaky hands that he took from a psych ward facility,

[@Crimsonsky1851]

@@apollodorus4759 OH MAN! so that was his character! i was thinking that i definitely saw him on peaky blinders i just could not remember who! woah thanks !

[@travisspazz1624]

​@@finger3306I've only seen Cosmo in Lady Macbeth, Florence Pugh's breakout movie.

[@OrionInSpace]

@@finger3306 he was the guy that Tommy broke out of prison in Peaky Blinders to be the sniper in the second to last season. Funny enough I somehow after watching Peaky Blinders, which was before watching Shogun did not even think that that was him after I finished watching this show.

[@rawkmode6315]

So, they did a fairly good job of presenting the final couple of chapters of the book in this episode, especially when you consider that the explanation for what has really been going on all happens in Toranaga's head as he enjoys a final day of flying his falcon and tidying up business before heading off to battle the next day. There's a lot to unpack though... 1. The visions of old Blackthorne back in England are just that, visions. Neither he nor the real life person William Adams would ever leave Japan. In both cases, he goes on to become an important samurai retainer of Toranaga/Tokugawa, marries a Japanese woman, has a family, etc. 2. In the book, Toranaga gives Kiku (the courtesan) to Blackthorne as his wife. Despite what you might think, she is overjoyed by this, because she gets to join the samurai social class and her children will be born into that class even if they are mixed race. 3. Toranaga gives Omi a major promotion, granting him a large amount of land and income since he's been grooming him for high rank right from the start. 4. A greatly expanded version of Izu province is given to Blackthorne as his personal fief, all on the advice of Fuji. 5. Fuji does not become a nun, instead Toranaga gives her permission to take her own life, although he makes several attempts to convince her to live. He values her abilities greatly and thinks that the loss of her skills as an administrator and advisor is senseless. 6. It was Toranaga who arranged for Mariko to make the deal sparing Blackthorne's life in exchange for the destruction of the ship. Not only did he tell her to make the deal, but he had her write a letter to John telling him to rebuild his ship. Toranaga wants this to keep John busy, despite planning to burn every ship he builds. Mariko also adds her own part to the letter, expressing her love for John. That part of the letter is written in Latin, which the two of them used often in public in the event someone who understood Portuguese was listening. They always did that when they had personal, intimate things to say and didn't want anyone understanding. 7. The people helping Blackthorne pull up the ship are his personal samurai. Earlier in the story he was afforded an entire retinue of ronin as his personal body guard. Once he becomes lord of Izu, they will formally become samurai again, and no longer be ronin. 8. Buntaro doesn't help with the ship, but he does thank Blackthorne for protecting his wife in Osaka, while using Father Alvito as translator. This is after he has appealed to Toranaga, asking to kill Blackthorne, stating that he knows that they were fucking and he doesn't care what anyone has to say about it. Toranaga then reveals that Mariko was no longer his wife, and that he had ordered the two of them divorced. Therefore, it doesn't matter who she was banging (in the book, there is a long journey to Osaka after the Buntaro and Mariko tea ceremony that took an entire month. Mariko and John were intimate the entire time and everyone pretended to not notice.) Mariko, however, had requested that the divorce not be revealed until after her death, so as to spare Buntaro any shame. 9. Omi had uncovered a plot by Yabu to turn on Toranaga if neccessary during battle with the help of the musket/cannon regiment. All of the officers were involved in the plot, and Toranaga arranged for them all to be on watch the night the ship was burned. He then used this as pretext to execute them all as traitors. That's who those heads belonged to in the village (in the book they're lining the beach.) He does not, however, punish the villagers, since they had absolutely nothing to do with it. 10. Blackthorne does attempt seppuku, but much earlier in the story, after he starts to go native. I don't remember the exact details, but I believe it was at a dinner held in Anjiro. I think that Omi insults him or some other thing (I really don't recall,) and he decides he can't live with it, so he attempts seppuku in front of everyone at the dinner. Omi has to grab the knife and stop him. Everyone, both Omi and Mariko included, are awed by this, and everyone treats him differently afterward. His close brush with death also changes the way Blackthorne sees the world, and is a major step in him becoming Japanese, culturally if not ethnically. 11. In the book, Buntaro is short, stocky, and fantastically strong, which explains why (in the show,) him showing up to help pull the ship makes a big difference. 12. Toranaga doesn't say that he wants Blackthorne to live because he makes him laugh. Instead, he says that he needs at least one friend, and since Blackthorne is alien and not part of Japanese politics, he can rely on him as that one friend. He also appreciates that Blackthorne thinks in the same bold ways that he does, even if he's not as smart or sophisticated. 13. When Toranaga says to Yabu, "Why tell a dead man the future?" he is simply repeating something Yabu told Omi about Toranaga in the first episode. Toranaga is letting Yabu know that he has been on to him the entire time. 14. Toranaga admits that all of this has been according to his plan, and that he has been scheming to become Shogun ever since he manipulated Mariko's father into killing Goroda.

[@theworld6710]

I wish they kept the real reason Toranaga likes Blackthorne. There’s something heartwarming in the ‘he makes me laugh’ explanation, but the way you describe it really shows his value to Toranaga, a solid, bold ally in a world of struggles and plots.

[@RaixsOreh]

​@@theworld6710maybe its something in his secret heart too. And what he told Yabu was just something to cover it up.

[@bewilderedbeest]

The reason Blackthorne attempts seppuku in the book is because Yabu had told the villagers in Anjiro that if Blackthorne had not achieved full fluency in Japanese in six months, the entire village would be massacred. Blackthorne, fearing he would not be able to achieve this goal in six months, asks Yabu to rescind his order. When Yabu refuses, Blackthorne threatens to commit seppuku. Yabu thinks he's bluffing because no way a barbarian can do that. Blackthorne, who was bluffing, realizes he now must go through with it, and attempts to do so. Omi stops him. Yabu rescinds his order, and yes, after that, everyone regards Blackthorne differently.

[@rawkmode6315]

@@bewilderedbeest Thank you for the additional info. Its been a while since I read the book and just couldn't remember what the situation was, although I did remember "Anjiro" and "Omi," LOL. The part that sticks out the most of that sequence is the after part, once he's been stopped and has to go home to recover. I remember him being in a daze because he actually did commit to the bit and almost offed himself, and I also remember how seriously everyone else took this and the respect he earned for it.

[@Quotenwagnerianer]

Some of those things I like better than the changes in the show. The big exception is Blackthorns attempt to commit suicide. That was perfectly timed in the arc of his story in the Show.

[@saviorodysseus]

the music! the tears of when she says “let your hands be the last to hold her” this show is fucking amazing

[@Lovver420]

I believe it’s the same thing Mariko said to Fuji when her child died 😢

[@IvanTheUnholy]

It's so fascinating to see which story beats make each Blindwave member tear up and emotional. Aaron is brought to tears by the grief felt by everyone surrounding the death of Mariko, while Calvin is clearly emotional at Anjin's devotion to give his death meaning in front of Toranaga.

[@lespaul5734]

Completely agree. That's what I like about Blindwave, they don't miss out on story beats much at all, and bring thoughtful analysis to much of what they watch, but they are also emotionally invested, and don't shy away from displaying their emotions! Great stuff!

[@agentsculder2451]

Fuji is not going off to be a Christian nun, she is going to become a Buddhist nun. It was a thing high born widows would do if they had no desire to remarry.

[@Tac0maAr0ma]

One of the best television series I’ve seen from a beginning to end and some truly masterful storytelling throughout.

[@Fuar11]

John came to Japan with ambition, looking to use Toranaga for his goals. But in the end it was Toranaga who ended up using him for his ambition. There is an interesting contrast between the two.

[@cylontoaster7660]

In the book, I think they made it more clear that the people in the village being killed were spies or people loyal to Toronaga's enemies

[@greggreyes6869]

toranaga arranged that it was yabushige's men holding the night watch duties. so when the ship was burned, he pretty much eliminated a chunk of loyal yabu followers also he mused ishido used a group of ninjas and failed while he only needed one.

[@tehdipstick]

@@greggreyes6869 Well two. He counted on Yabushige betraying him as well, so Yabushige played an important part in 'Crimson Sky' too.

[@astronette500]

"season 1", "season 2". oh... oh no... they don't know, do they

[@joshrandor4371]

Nope...they don't know.

[@JRainshadow]

I don't want to say anything tho.

[@Tauraherion]

@@JRainshadow oops... i just said

[@Nephetssings]

The fuck would season 2 even be. So glad there isn't one

[@gilgamesh5796]

⁠@@Nephetssingsthey said it, Yabushige comes back from the dead with an army of zombies and Fuji becomes a a badass dual-pistol nun that fights the undead with best friends John and Buntaro. Shogun 2: Less Show, More Gun

[@audreytaylorgarcia2661]

Absolutely amazing series from beginning to end, loved every second of it!!! Fantastic reactions as always…

[@lazyxknight685]

Poetic Justice - that's ultimately the conclusion of shogun and they did it so well. - The whole show is carried by the incredible performances and art music and cinematography which absolutely stands out, its even though the land itself gave a performance, that small quake scene alone for me was far more powerful then any battle of action sequence. those who wanted a huge battle miss the point. The scene with yabushige questioning where crimson sky was and the battle, like many who are disappointed, felt summarised and concluded that as well. Toranaga played the viewers well too. There was never a need for a battle, every death had its assigned purpose - as Lady Maria stated last episode - life AND death have purpose and meaning. The ending was beautiful and conclusive. Truly this show the performances and what Hiroyuki Sanada production achieved truly deservers awards. Loved every minute of this finale

[@orihusutat1976]

I wonder if the story of Yabushige's catfish is understood by people other than Japanese? In an old Japanese superstition, it was said that catfish cause earthquakes. This is from an old Japanese myth, but the catfish is sensitive to shaking and senses earthquakes earlier than humans and shakes its tail.

[@virgil.alonso]

If you play Pokemon and know who whiscash is you get it

[@rauliuxaa]

Really liked the moment whenn Toranaga said ''Why tell a dead man the future'' it was a reference to what Yabushige said about Toranaga to Omi in the early episodes, which could only mean Omi was working for Taoranaga from the start, amazing short sentence to let Yabushige know Toranaga knew everything all this time, and Yabu was his pawn. real amazing short reference.

[@euphospug]

I love that he says that "Anjin makes him laugh" when he literally never even smiles throughout the entire series

[@TheWeekendWarrior99]

Except for that one smirk when Anjin said “Unless I win”

[@KW-ps6hk]

@@TheWeekendWarrior99 You guys need to watch scene where Blackthorne escapes with the galley. Toranaga (for him) does his equivalent of You Glorious Bastards stomp stomp.

[@johntaylor564]

He laughs in his secret heart.

[@TheGhost-7002]

He also laughs after Blackthorn offers him his swords after the landslide.

[@deborahcornell171]

He laughed behind his eight-fold fence.

[@dankun4932]

The perfect finale to the perfect series Loved the reactions guys! EDIT: also I think this is it for the show. No season 2, and I kinda hope they don’t make it. This was too perfect of an ending.

[@hazri8758]

Some people out there be mad for not getting the battle action lmao. The book itself ended exactly like this.

[@ParrotRaving]

@@hazri8758I actually think they did certain things better here than in the book, which is a great feat.

[@hazri8758]

@@ParrotRaving yes. Everyone involved did a great job.

[@stevetrevor7004]

What a masterclass of a show left me absolutely heartbroken cant believe its over what a journey

[@LSThrowaway]

"Why tell a dead man the future" Was what Yabu said to Omi in episode 1 about Toranaga. I think that's Toranaga's confirmation to Yabu about his plan's ultimate goal to become Shogun.

[@chewiewins]

His smile back to Yabu confirmed this for me

[@BillFinger27]

There are a lot of full circle moments, like the "last to touch" line and the "tell dead man the future" line But my favorite is John having a huge moment with Toranaga by using one of the first Japanese words he learned: enemy.

[@nerd660]

Toranaga needed a bit of luck for everything to go his way. But he played all his cards so perfectly that luck was almost always on his side. Didn't control the wind, but studied it. So good.

[@5353Jumper]

Earthquake upon signing an order against him was definitely fateful.

[@thedarkknight2221]

For those who wonder what happened to Blackthorn, based on what happened to the real life Anjin Willam Adams, after settling in Japan, Adams married a Japanese woman, although there is no clear evidence of her name and background in either Japanese or European historical records. Adams and his Japanese wife had a son Joseph and a daughter Susanna. Some accounts describe Adams having other children with concubines or mistresses, but no such children were named in his will. He was officially named a samurai by the Shogun and lived his life in service to the shogunate.

[@funkya1840]

It's not too far-fetched to say that arrival of Anjin to medieval Japan has changed Japan forever. In real history, Anjin kicked out all Portuguese & Jesuit after he became foreign affairs advisor to Shogun. Dutch became the only foreign traders allowed in a small port in Nagasaki in Japan for the next 270 years.

[@Mugen3]

You guys are so smart. I've really enjoyed this show but I never could have come this far without you guys. I wanna say BIG thanks to you including all viewers. I'm gonna miss this show and you guys!😢

[@tashaglam4824]

This show was such a rare gem to watch. EVERYONE in this damn show deserves to take a massive bow and needs to be SHOWERED with awards during the next award season.

[@texasrattlesnake31637]

Amazing Finale! Great reaction as usual Wave Crew!

[@shanahregguinti188]

“Why tell a dead man the future” the same thing Yabushige said to Omi in episode 1. I’m thinking Omi was with Toranaga the whole time. Omi was in the middle of many of the decisions/actions by so many of the characters. It was Toranaga the whole time secretly.

[@TehIdiotOne]

@jool7793 And they established in episode 1 that he was actually rather clever

[@yonoe1472]

Fuji-sama is a Buddhist, so she became a Buddhist nun. In Japan, nuns generally shave their head and wear a kesa (priest's robe).

[@sethheasley9538]

The way Toronaga looks like a huge weight lifts off him when he reads Ochiba's letter is so good.

[@buntado6]

If anyone's wondering what happens next in history, the closest you will get to a season 2 is the movie Silence (Martin Scorcesse). It shows how the country ramped up the campaign against Christians as part of it's isolationist policies, that's what the Tokugawa (Toranaga) era was. And if you want even further for a season 3, The Last Samurai, which was during the Meiji era, the westernization of Japan.

[@rookiemoves]

I would go read Eiji Yoshikawa’s Musashi if you want another great story that starts immediately in the aftermath of Sekigahara.

[@mellowscorpio]

The way this show played with endings, death, grief, longing, sacrifice, honor.. was sublime. A little heartbroken there’s no plan for another season, but it was so good, and I look forward to revisiting this phenomenal show Pure poetry in so many ways

[@blayne888]

Absolutely beautiful SERIES finale.

[@jayjones5817]

Each time they say season 2 and they don’t know it’s a miniseries 😮😮😮

[@flaggerify]

Because they avoid all information about the source to avoid spoilers - for our benefit.

[@sitaro1207]

not anymore. Show has been renewed for Season 2 and 3

[@Quotenwagnerianer]

@@sitaro1207 Typical... Studios just can't an oportunity pass to milk a property. Even if this show ends where the Book ends and there is nothing more. Let's just make something up. I expect a "Rings of Power" like failure.

[@M0M0117]

@@Quotenwagnerianer Dude you do realize James adapted real history right to write Shogun, right? They can just keep adapting the histories as they see fit, just like how the book adapted the histories.

[@Oohthehumanity]

Hey guys - I didn't have anyone irl to watch this series with..and I'm probably also slightly outside the perimeters of the majority of the fanbase demographics (which is fine & not abnormal for me, but it can feel a little alienating sometimes..) And I'd kinda been 'dreading' the finale & saying goodbye to these chars. When i started your vid, tho..and saw all 3 of you with same somber/heavier vibe I had felt, I didn't feel so crazy lol. And when I saw that same parts hit a couple of you the very same way they hit me - totally diff stereotypical demographics, but very similar hearts and reactions...it was good for my soul lol. I appreciated getting to 'share' it with you.. :) ❤

[@BigDamnHero74]

It’s always wonderful to be reminded that WE are not alone 😊❤

[@johnnybbadd7388]

I love how much the show effected everyone, such a beautiful shoe

[@ras_alhim]

"Slit your belly next morning" No one: Nobody: Not a single soul on earth: Yabushige: "Nooo please, let me die by cannon or feed me to fish pleaaasee😭🙏"

[@KategariYami]

I feel like the dude's a sadist or something... Man boiled a dude alive, and watched his heir get THE GOOD TIME with Kiku...

[@agentsculder2451]

And he wanted the Anjin as his second because he was hoping he'd botch it. He wanted a bad death. He felt he deserved it after what happened to Mariko.

[@TehIdiotOne]

@@KategariYami Minor correction, he watched one of his Samurai sleep with Kiku, not Omi.

[@hafor2846]

@@TehIdiotOne More like his boy toy but yeah.

[@KoiYakultGreenTea]

When Torunaga let that bird go and said 'go bear many daughters' it was kinda like him saying goodbye to Mariko who was very useful to him but also symbolic cos she never 'hunted' before until Torunaga invited her to one and she marvelled at the 'steel bird' in a way its like he's releasing her from her duty and is mourning in his own way. I love the use of poems in this show to reveal a person's inner heart/secret heart. Mariko's words are always lauded as unbeatable and in her poem Ochiba asked her son how he would continue it. The Heir's words show his innocence - he sees the possibilities of fruits and flowers. But Ochiba ocntinues with the Wind. When Toranaga talks with Yabu about commandingthe wind you realise that she's speaking of him and that is when she reveals her secret alliance with him. I guess that the poem Mariko wrote and her continuation was what she wrote to Toranaga and is enough to state her intent of their alliance, given that he spoke the poem Mariko said to him and he wept in his own silent way. Yabu's poem was also simple, short and to the point. He wants to be useful even in death in so far as he can try to fight but if he loses (relevant to John's first words to Toranaga) then he is simply meat for hungry dogs. In John's seppuku he speaks the words Mariko said in her last breath, showing that he not only learns language fast but also that he has taken her lesson to heart - Life and Death are the same and both can be used as weapons and not useless at all. John can make Toranaga do what he wants but either way, he gets to die and join Mariko in death. He contemplated that future - dying old and alone clutching unto the memories but decided 'fuck it' In that whole scene, we know later that it was Toranaga who burnt his ship understanding that Mariko bargained for his life. And yet Toranga insisted on punishing the village to test John and his resolve. He claimed he had given up his war when the very reason he is alive is cos his witty response to Toranaga amused him so much he kept him around. And yet he is willing to give up his life for this small petty reason as the village same to how Toranaga found his depression around the gardeners death petty and small - John calls the whole religious war with the Portugeuse 'small' contrasting ep 2 where Toranaga's conflict with the regents seemed small in comparison to this new larger global threat John revealed to them about the Spanish-Portuguese treaty. In the scene where John and Fuji sat together, you can see the lessons that Kuki the courtesan taught in the WIllow World - the empty space beside John framing him and Fuji as they sit is highlighting that the empty space is an absence that can be seen and felt, t he absence of Mariko in their lives. I love the scene Omi takes his gun and sword - mirroring the conflict in early episode down to Fuji behind him but this time they're both so broken by their losses and trials there's no other for fighting anymore - which is a mirror to the entire conflict as a whole: to fight without fighting, to win before the war even starts. Toranaga won before they fought at Sekigahara. Also the poetry of just Yabu almost dying on a cliff to being executed on a cliff. Mariko's words that Fuji used to say 'let your hands be the last to hold her'

[@gladheart8387]

Hiroyoki Sanada - Lord Yoshii Toranaga, has known how to use a sword for most of his life. He began training very early in his childhood and still practices his skills today. “I think I was six years old when I first had a sword in my hand. My father studied kendo, which is a Japanese style of sword fighting. Which is why he is so confident when he holds a sword, in real life, he is a master swordsman.

[@Tauraherion]

There won't be a season 2. The show covered the book in its entirety. What could happen is that they adapt Gaijin, that tells the story of Toranaga's descendants 200 years after these events

[@TehIdiotOne]

That could be interesting, but wouldn't it be a relatively similar story to The Last Samurai already(yes i know TLS is not entirely accurate of the Satsuma rebellion).

[@trentb3148]

@@TehIdiotOne I mean, given that "Shogun" was already a highly successful miniseries, I don't think they'd be opposed to tread familiar territory.

[@flaggerify]

There will be a season 2 AND 3.

[@brwnkd3795]

Lol so confidently wrong

[@Tauraherion]

@@brwnkd3795 i meant that there wasn't going to be a second season of shogun, as the book has been covered in it's entirety. This second season will expand, but isn't technically Shogun. In any case, I underestimated the power of money.

[@deribaledoto1047]

This eps is so heavy, emotionaly and mentally

[@owlswillow3065]

It was a good job for the three of us, thank you. From Nihon.

[@lnsatiate]

when fuji said "let your hands be the last to hold her" i damn near shed a tear!!

[@BigDamnHero74]

Oh, I did but they were big manly tears 😭 😊

[@willvr4]

I love how as guys about my age (30's) you are cool with showing your emotions and are unapologetic about it. Calvin especially. I love a good cry (happy or sad cry) when I'm alone, but I try to shut that shit down when I'm around others usually. The worst is when I'm at the theatres and they turn the lights on at the end and I'm still wiping my face haha

[@TecladistadoYoutubeRivaLima]

I hate to disappoint you, but there will be no second season... the events of the book were shown in all these episodes... unless they want to compose new stories based on the narratives of the first book, but I find it difficult for them to do that.

[@TheTidalBreeze]

I mean they could do the rest of the books or they could resurrect the author with necromancy and force him to write a sequel

[@fredvasquez4201]

Trust me... if money is involved and the hype is great, they might consider it

[@jmacmall]

@@fredvasquez4201 The creators/showrunners already said that they're done. A true miniseries.

[@buntado6]

@@jmacmall When you make a historical drama there's a reason you choose when does it start and when does it end, since you could endlessly go backwards or forward until present day. Clavell chose this period to use William Adams figure as a way to expose his own understanding of Japan as a foreigner.

[@rmvdhaak]

@@TheTidalBreeze The other books in the series are from different time periods with different people. Bit strange to do them in a show called Shogun.

[@FPWesker]

This will go down as peak cinema/television 🙌🏾🙏🏾

[@franciscooctavius5957]

You guys know this was a one season 10 ep series right?? The second time I watched it I appreciated the fact it was a bit underwhelming yet spoke volumes. Really good show. That said a huge Samurai battle would’ve been epically cool. Loved the scenes with Fuji and Anjin. The scene in the boat was incredibly well done. Wish we saw more of her throughout the season. Like Anna Sawai, Fujis actress says so much with just her facial expressions. “ I don’t control the wind. I only study it.” Awesome line. Hiroyuki Sanada is a friggin legend.

[@tblickle]

"Why tell a dead man the future" is a line he said to his nephew in episode 1. Toranaga just admitted to him that his nephew shared the details of all of his treachery with Toranaga. He knew the whole time.

[@khaii13]

「オーガは、彼が足元に花を押しつぶした瞬間に、彼の貴重な葉のない枝を失いました。結局のところ、姉妹」 “The Ogre lost his precious Leafless Branch the moment he crushed the Flower underfoot; sisters in the end, after all” For the first time in the entire series, Ochiba sama looks directly to Ishido while talking to him; in all other episodes, she glances at him but looks away. That was the most subtle, passive-aggressive death stare I have seen on screen to date.🫣 Yabushige and Toranaga smirking at each other in the end was awesome, too. Yabushige got the best end he could have gotten, considering all he has done: realizing that whether he knew it or not, he has served his Lord Toranaga excellently. And maybe, just maybe, lightening the burden in his conscience a bit, afterall: a future Toranaga victory will never come to pass if Mariko did not die INSIDE of Osaka. Goodbye to our favourite sociopath. Blackthorne kills a possible future version of himself-an old man, filled with regret, clutching on to Mariko’s crucifix-by mirroring Mariko (literally doing a ritual su!c!d3 like a woman [a blade through the heart] instead of seppuku [slicing his belly open] like a samurai would) in order to protect Ajiro: the first completely selfless thing he has done in the show; and also by letting that exact same crucifix go into the water along with the ashes of Fuji-sama’s family. And to think he did all those things mostly as an act of kindness to Fuji-sama… she deserves the best. 🥹🥹 Also, the fact that Anjin used the word 詰まらない【つまらない】 (tsumaranai) when he said “my war is small” can also be translated to “my wars are petty/trivial/silly/worthless” in reference to his ambitions and designs for England and his war against the Catholics. That was him letting go of his personal ambitions for something greater. The setup to be in a position to win the final battle is mostly complete, and the broad strokes were revealed, but the details of the plan and how the battle ensued are still hidden. So who is ready for a “new/separate” mini-series, titled “Sekigahara”? Ohhh, and what was Toranaga holding in his left hand just before it cut to the title card?

[@hockeybyulf]

An amazing show, I hope for season 2 if possible. So great!

[@pricemoore2022]

Awesome reaction of my favorite episode of Shogun!!!!!😊😊😊😊😊

[@FTL3478]

you literally commented after 1 minute, it’s physically impossible for you to have watched the reaction yet.

[@Jaitheboss1]

Alot of undercover sniffling and tears in this reaction 😅

[@mrrd4444]

"Let your hands be the last to hold-" were the words said to her by Mariko when her infant son was going to be killed. This show does an amazing job going full circle, and I was only able to truly appreciate it on this go around with you guys.

[@Revan638]

Love the retelling of an actual historical event in a Romanticized book

[@MrBleuBeard]

Magical and beautiful show! And half a century later, the story of the "Blue eyed Samurai" is told. Hope you guys react to it at some point, another incredible series from this period of Japan.

[@chewiewins]

I like to think at depth of Torunaga facing defeat, John's defiant line of, "unless I win" inspired him to realise he could.

[@ev1Lsect]

I have yet to see a reaction notice the line that Toranaga says, why tell a dead man the future? Is what Yabushige says in episode one about keeping the ship a secret. Also, when Fuji says, let your hands be the last to touch her, that's what Mariko says to her when her baby gets killed. I am pretty sure this is the end. I wouldn't get too excited about all this season 2 talk.

[@ras_alhim]

What a show.

[@alexanderthegreat5649]

Last time I was this early I became a father!.... and single. At least I can enjoy this reaction in peace

[@NoCluYT]

you meant to say "come this early"

[@skaijuice3714]

19:40 Recall back in Ep6 "Ladies of the willow world" , even though the participants do not yet know it, the courtesan's words literal meaning: "Presence is most felt keenly in absence" comes into full effect. Powerful subtle scene. All the episodes are so nuanced, each re-watch sheds new light on the writing. GOATed series.

[@hazri8758]

42:42 her smile.. She's proud of what Anjin has become.

[@richardhall800]

One thing I just realised watching again with you... in the dream of old, grandfather Blackthorne, his makeup so closely resembles Richard Chamberlain the Anjin of the original seventies mini series

[@mayumi5309]

薮重の辞世の句「我死なば焼くな埋むな野に捨てて 飢えたる犬の腹をこやせよ」は、地獄太夫という室町時代の有名な遊女のものです。Jigokudayu 絶世の美女で、地獄変相を描いた打ち掛けを羽織り、念仏を唱えながら客を迎えていたとか。

[@zadegetsfaded]

After reflecting on it I realized the thing this show did so brilliantly was being true to the world. Of course a show could have fan service and like randomly have Mariko be super badass and kill everyone in that scene where she’s trying to leave, or having some big wild battle scene, but no it really just kept it honest. You are transported into that time period and find the humanity in it all it’s beautiful

[@leosarmiento4823]

The perfect conclusion to one of the great miniseries. The ending, like the beginning, and throughout the 10 episodes, was grounded in Japanese culture. Wonderful reactions over the course of the show.

[@pranjoshi]

At each turn, when I wanted to see something, this show gave me what I needed. Fuji is going to be the best damn nun ever.

[@JoeHHarrell]

You should watch the 1980 version of Shogun, I loved it when I watched it as a teenager and I think you'd like seeing the similarities and differences between the two mini-series.

[@achohelelwhy]

Unless they're going off book, y'all this is all we get of Shōgun. If they announce a season 2 it's going to be a complete original story, and idk if James Clavell's daughter is on board with that.

[@fredvasquez4201]

They still own TV series Shogun.. they can do anything they please. The question is.. will they do it?

[@kivimik]

@@fredvasquez4201 Considering the length of time it took to make this adaptation (about a decade or so), it is highly unlikely that they will revisit this for a second season.

[@TehIdiotOne]

A second season wouldn't really make sense, the next 250 years were relatively peaceful. Of course, you could make it about the Meiji restoration, but then again, that's basically about the end of the Shogunate, and also touches into the territory of the Last Samurai.

[@M0M0117]

They don’t need James Clavell’s daughter to approve anything, what are you talking about? Lol Shogun the books is based off real Japanese history, they can just keep adapting the series as they see fit.

[@andrewd5894]

I have watched this episode twice and watch a few reactions at first I was slightly disappointed and confused but now I watch it and see it as a perfect ending in a character focused story. We didn’t need a big battle or even a last moment fight we needed the end of man who finally understood the world he found himself in and who leave the dream of returning to England a hero behind.

[@BobbyM817]

Such a great show. I’ve been seeing a lot of people complain about a lack of a battle. If that’s the reason you were watching, then you were watching for the wrong reason. It was obvious a while ago we weren’t seeing any battle anyway.

[@LordBaktor]

I liked the “Let your hands be the last to hold her.” callback, but I liked the "Why tell a dead man the future?" callback even more.

[@GuardeGame]

Season 2??? Who’s gonna tell ‘em?😂😂😂

[@user-puyopuyo7]

Old proverb famous in Japan Nobunaga: “Kill the hototogisu that doesn’t cry.” Hideyoshi: “If Hototogisu doesn’t cry, why don’t we try to make him cry somehow?” Ieyasu (Toranaga) "If it's a hototogisu that doesn't cry, let's wait until it cries." I think this Ieyasu appeared in season 1. "Reading the wind"

[@Diego-is9do]

Love you reactions 😊

[@KenjiMapes]

Great reaction guys. What a freaking episode. What a show! I know many were expecting a cgi fest & special effect orgy type of battle for the finale like many others commented about, but they crushed it with incredible exposition & story telling instead. Despite the lack of action it seems like everyone absolutely loved it regardless. I really think this was the case because of the amazing cast doing a mind blowing job. The deft exposition & story telling of the episode really gave the episode emotional depth & dimension. All of the call backs & the story the actors were able to paint made it super satisfying without the need for an eye candy battle. Although it would have been fun to see the Battle of Sekigahara. In the real like battle some of the factions defected to Toranaga’s real life counterpart changing the outcome. The real life Ishido was named IshidA😆. Apparently he was buried up to his neck for 3 days until he croaked. After this battle Japan had an era of peace for about 2.5 centuries although they remained an insular nation. You guys should read about the battle as it’s some pretty crazy history. Speaking of superlative acting, look at how Tadanobu Asano portrayed Yabushige - he was a two-faced scoundrel with some twisted fetishes yet oozed charisma & charm which endeared him to the audience. That’s not an easy thing to pull off yet he did so effortlessly. This cast was smoking it as they were hitting on all cylinders. Even minor supporting cast like Father Alvito by British actor Tommy Bastow were incredible. . Tadanobu Asano’s Yabushige performance really personifies the work of this superb cast which carried the show. Everything was top notch from the cinematography to the costumes to the sets, etc making it hard for anything to stand out with everything being so good yet because it was so good, the acting brought so much dimension & depth to it. If they don’t receive recognition & awards for this show during awards season it will be a total travesty. The only bummer is that it’s all over now & there’s no season 2.😥

[@Valkerion]

The Battle of Sekigahara was a real battle during this era. While Shogun is historical fiction by changing names and adding people like John to be a POV, the bullet points of the story are actual events. Sekigahara that Toranaga describes is one of the largest samuari battles ever fought and largely considered to be the deciding factor that changed Japan into what it became after. (Also I just so happen to live near it, theres nothing but woods and a museam there now lol)

[@26alexxkidd]

there's no season 2. That's it. And that is a great thing. Perfect ending.

[@flaggerify]

There may be now.

[@Scharrer23]

I dont want a Season 2. This show was perfect as it is. It could only go worse from here. This story was the whole book. From here it would be a complete fantasy of the TV producers..

[@gilgamesh5796]

Cant wait for Shogun 2: Less Show, More Gun. Yabushige comes back from the dead and Fuji is a badass killer nun.

[@MightyPisces]

I wished Yabushige's last word was one of his GRUNTS. "eeewhUghhhh."

[@alexlim864]

Great series, great reactions! Can't wait to read the novelization when it comes out. 😄 Oh, wait. . . . 😁

[@kugunihonio]

The last story was indigestible. The historical facts are much more dramatic. The fallen leaves and his son commit suicide at Osaka Castle, and Ishidou also dies. The Edo period then lasted for hundreds of years and established an era of peace. The missionaries were eliminated and with the promise not to proselytize, the Dutch became the trading partners.

[@wompa70]

What a show!

[@IpoteticAMVsChannel]

I mean.. I know they said there won't be a second season since the book was covered in it's entirety, but we'll see what FX decides. They can always go for a second season mirroring the real events and ending with the summer siege of Osaka and the official naming of Tokugawa (Toranaga) as Shogun!

[@smari3290]

味のある人物がいなくなった今続編はただの合戦のショーになってしまう懸念があります。　すぐには平定できないのでダラダラと闘争を作成するのはとても困難な事だと思います。 だからこそもう一時間延ばして合戦の撮影を入れて欲しかったですね。　短時間で勝負が決まったとありますからそこは脚色して(笑)　予算的に今回出来なかった可能性がありますからこのようなしめくくりで良かったとは思います。 There is a concern that now that there are no more people with taste, the sequel will just be a show of battles.　It would be very difficult to create a struggle that lingers because it cannot be leveled immediately. That is why I would have liked to have extended it another hour and included a shot of the battle.　I think it was good to end the film in this way because it might not have been possible to do so due to the budget.

[@soldierboy4912]

Btw there’s no season 2 it was a one and done thing.

[@moederkoek4914]

Yeah when Eric said: Idol to look forward to in S2. I was like They don’t know it’s just one season? 😖 Poor Eric

[@flaggerify]

@@moederkoek4914 There may be a season 2 after all.

[@JalimRabeikkkkk]

The show was renewed for a season 2.

[@flaggerify]

@@JalimRabeikkkkk And 3 also?