75 is also nearly how many vertices that model has.
@RedVRCC3 жыл бұрын
Expensive model, $1 per vertex.
@StarForgers2 жыл бұрын
@@RedVRCC so I can sell my absolute garbage models that look terrible but have over 100k verts because I was trying to put details on its mesh and get rich in 10 sales?
@RedVRCC2 жыл бұрын
@@StarForgers why not?
@TTG999423 жыл бұрын
If Gordon Ramsey Was a 3D Modeler
@yes3714 Жыл бұрын
As a a hobbyist modeler, I have no idea how you even learn to create models with geometry like that, while also understanding basic rigging. HOW?!?!
@TyrantOfVirtue Жыл бұрын
99% chance the model was stolen from somewhere. And then it was editted a lot. The way the geometry looks like it was decimated really heavily. Decimate basically keeps the shape of the model but removes parts that dont change the shape. It's really great of making LOD's.
@WillShackAttack4 жыл бұрын
I thought this video would teach me how to make my own model instead of spend money on someone else to make one for me. Instead I was taught that some modelers are just terrible. But not Shonzo.
@PandoraParoru4 жыл бұрын
Let me give you a hint never commision anyone to make u a model all the parts that are mostly used are taken by deviantart and somewhat illegal I can recommend you one amazing modler that does everything by themself other than that you can look up videos on how to make a PMX model and upload those
@epiclegendaryking3324 жыл бұрын
Same here but I got something better 😂😂😂
@luisroman21444 жыл бұрын
MissesPitty 。 who’s the creator
@PandoraParoru4 жыл бұрын
Luis Roman Its diffrent creators, but mostly seen parts are the normal Tda based who fullily is made by TDA in other words the dude that modeled the kizuna ai model if you know her
@luisroman21444 жыл бұрын
MissesPitty 。 I’m new to vrchat so I do not I’m trying to find someone to make me a brand new custom avatar
@virtualvin96762 жыл бұрын
My guess is that he applied the decimate-collapse modifier... if not, I don't even know how you get that kind of topology.
@alex-qn5xp Жыл бұрын
I'm guessing he couldn't be bothered to retopologize the model.
@callmedisappointment2 жыл бұрын
As a baby blender user. I hope my models dont come out like this 😭
@fexgy5595 Жыл бұрын
Im baby too and... by far nope
@MrBaracu Жыл бұрын
Whatever baby means.
@NemisisRecords Жыл бұрын
Its fine if you're learning or just hobbying... It's not fine when it's being sold as a product! The model "looks" good, just doesn't function properly!
@bilbo_gamers64175 жыл бұрын
easy fix just remove all animations and stand in A-pose
@Kolljak2 жыл бұрын
ive legit had the same 45$ from booth sent to me to fix weight paints between the legs on their pants because where they would clip they got missed by the weight painting. the life of an avatar repairman is a brutal one.
@AinrehteaDalnalirtu6 жыл бұрын
I mean, I'm just a rigger and when i'm usually open for commissions I do them for free. Can say my stuff is definitely not that awful. I can't even understand that mesh, Its obvious it wasn't manually decimated or refined.
@KayhoticGames5 жыл бұрын
Are you able to rig something for me? 👀
@Toxcinityy5 жыл бұрын
Do you still do that? If so add me on discord xSnowFlakey_#4274
@bluegu965 жыл бұрын
Hello I am shit at making models was wandering if you could help me if you are down massage me on Twitter @mason123456984
@ChopStuffz4 жыл бұрын
Basically every avatar made out of MMD TDA parts is not more worth than 20$ since they are not originally made from scratch. Just don't waste too much of your money on unknown sellers ESPECIALLY on Mitch Murder who is known for just ripping avatars and selling them. Also always check for good preview pictures or videos and like shonzo said always check what other stuff they make.
@viiranen3 жыл бұрын
the topology here makes me want to cry. like. no ...like did they like sculpt this, push the retopology button, put on some bones and call it a day???? ffs. yeah this is at most like a days worth of work and no effort
@Kreyadian2 жыл бұрын
20$ says he just downloaded CATS and hit the decimate button to make it quest compatible
@Blackskies-b1z Жыл бұрын
The fact that he was able to model the geometry that way in the first place. Very impressive
@cubyhielo94965 жыл бұрын
that's just a downloaded avatar from somewhere and decimated under 20k to fit into vrchat lmao
@TheUnknownAK5 жыл бұрын
so many people do this, I saw someone in game bragging about an avatar they paid for and then a few weeks later I noticed the same thing had been on vrcmods for like months lmao
@ProtoPropski3 жыл бұрын
I had a friend who sold avatars on VRChat, they literally just Frankensteined different free base models together . They had weight painting, but you could clearly tell it was quickly done, and wasn't exactly worth the money they charged.
@Cielle_Slime2 жыл бұрын
I was looking for this comment because I suspected the same. whats even worse is there are free pluggins to help with decimation. Here I am afraid to open a gumroad for my kitbashed avis because im scared that a sleeve having the smallest of weight painting issues will make people hate me xD
@ohwow.thatsashocker.15244 жыл бұрын
This is... actually disgusting. I understand that not all of us (including myself) don't keep our meshes SUUUPER clean... but what in the Sam Hell was that *$75* mess? I feel bad for the guy that paid for it. The amount of buyer's regret that dude felt must've been unbearable. I'm not the dude, nor do you need a thanks from a rando like me, but thank you for fixing it... with a permanent solution.
@Outrack Жыл бұрын
At the start I I felt like it was in poor taste to publicly complain about a model someone else had made, then at 1:25 I understood this is a crime against humanity.
@nikkytae2 жыл бұрын
I sell models at half the price, and still maintain a level of QA... whoever sold this... hell, you gotta try to actually get this bad.
@sheol51235 жыл бұрын
I met someone, who spent 400$ for a custom avatar, that looked like literal shit.
@kunekai16804 жыл бұрын
75? Where are you looking everywhere i go is fucking 300-500+. Someone even said 2k for me
@therizinosaurs5 жыл бұрын
wait don’t people normally bend like that-
@DeathxStrike185 жыл бұрын
Looks like he destroyed the original in decimation, instead of being a "pro" and retepologising the mesh by disolving uneaded loops
@trhynosaur2 жыл бұрын
Ow, my brain. I physically cringed seeing that. It must have taken actual effort to make a model with a mesh that bad. A workflow of just extruding rings would have been a lot easier to make and work with. How did this happen?
@intaze4 жыл бұрын
that "ALRIGHT" in the beginning scared the shit out of me
@LarryEdwards5 жыл бұрын
Personally, I'd just rather rig a model myself then pay someone to rig a model for me.
@randompasserby98174 жыл бұрын
It's the topology is all triangles. I haven't even made a 3d model yet but I know for sure that's not what your supposed to do
@Zluken4 жыл бұрын
Triangles are only bad if you are going to subdivide the mesh with a modifier afterwards. All game engines convert quads to triangles anyway as far as I know. It's more about the topology. If you don't have enough faces and edges in a loop, Tris or quads, it can't bend.
@Motscoud3 жыл бұрын
That topology was clearly made with Blender's decimate tool (which sucks)
@bukachell3 жыл бұрын
One major problem is the N-gons, tris don't make a model bad for anything other than editing and subdivision. Quads on a model automatically convert to tris in game engines. Also, I'm late.
@nikkytae2 жыл бұрын
late, but the worst part is the n-gons, or faces with more than 4 sides. those are what gives problems like at the fingers.
@fabriciodmlima4 жыл бұрын
as a 3d modeller that is just painful to watch
@pandoogaming99325 жыл бұрын
Ok now I know what not to do since I’m starting
@matchaia2 жыл бұрын
ive only been modeling for a few months and... as soon as you went into edit mode I cringed. For 75 this is actually awful, it looks like they tried to decimate without any care for what it would do to the model's topography.
@Ikaros4732 жыл бұрын
so basically, somebody put this through the decimate modifier without a care in the world
@CosmicCosma5 жыл бұрын
That’s not even bending. At that point it’s folding
@meijinsigma89132 жыл бұрын
As a 3d modeler I thank you for showing this I had to explain this to a Vtuber also glad I found your vid
@comgreed6 жыл бұрын
That's why you ask Shonzo to do god's work shonzoSmug
@neatjoe22335 жыл бұрын
Do you mind telling me more? I want to fix my avatar but I don't know how.
@peagames20022 жыл бұрын
Sometimes it is simply better to try your best to do your own model or buy from creators who know what they were doing in first place. It's not easy though for most of VRchat community who don't even know jack shit about avatar creators. Especially hate avatar sellers who never even made anything from scratch, just bought and grabbed assets from others and slapped it together and puts it on own name. Not to mention how pricey they make those asset jungles. I'm trying to practice making base avatar and later on assets and perhaps a themed avatar someday. Seems with this lesson it is better to not be afraid to use that loop cut and knife. The lack of vertices will definitely cause problems when weight painting.
@letmedwight4 жыл бұрын
Maybe this sh!t happen if you try to reduce a model from 500k polygons to 20k... in The 500k polygon version, everything is fine. But if you reduce it, the polygons are gone from the important places like all the joints!
@ham60063 жыл бұрын
Exactly and it won’t be a surprise if that models was stolen, slightly modified and decimated to death
@gorkemvids48392 жыл бұрын
This is definitely not 20k, it's 2k at best
@letmedwight2 жыл бұрын
@@gorkemvids4839 You would be surprised, how much poligons it can be while it is looking so less from outside...
@gorkemvids48392 жыл бұрын
@@letmedwight I do 3d modeling for 5 years, nothing surprises me. And your statement is false.
@letmedwight2 жыл бұрын
@@gorkemvids4839 What's wrong with saying that appearances can be deceiving? - By the way, I'm not referring specifically to this video, but mean that in general, the optical impression of the visible polygons, with the actual quantity, is often underestimated. e.g. I see a model that I would visually classify as 20k polygons, but has actually already reached 100k+... Especially if you take a look in VRChat to all this "very poor" ranked peoples. from outside it looks normal, but if you enable the avatar details, you fastly see that they have up to 800k+ poligons. (Without computed numbers that count you the real number of triangles. You will be often underestimate it.)
@jjju32 жыл бұрын
my *best guess* as to what happened here is that whoever made this ran it through an automatic remesher, *i dont know why they would do this.* but it is the only guess i have, that or it is partially or completely a stolen model, or a frankenstein of different model parts, and those parts were either imported incorrectly or also ran through a remesher. (the face has the telltale signs of like automatic triangle-ing game engines do, but the rest of this i have nothing.)
@sergiozuniga3826 жыл бұрын
Mediocrity and sloth graphically showed with this model. That's why you don't do things just for the money. If you are not good at it you are gonna get exposed at some time because of the shit you make and the not worthy prizes.
@whinniethedank32672 ай бұрын
I watched this video about three years ago with no experience with models whatsoever. My reaction was probably along the lines of, 'Wow, this is indeed bad.' Now, stumbling back onto this video today with an understanding of modelling VRChat avatars, I can officially say this is the worst 3D model I've ever seen. No doubt about it. Holy moly. There is no understanding of topology what so ever 😭
@skyrixdreamer48025 жыл бұрын
That shit had pretty bad topology xD
@kxtbit2 жыл бұрын
i'm not even that good at using blender and even i'm cringing at the topology of this model
@xitaberry2 жыл бұрын
It looks like a model made with dust3d 😂 I started learning with that because it’s easier to use but 2 days in i realized how terrible the meshes turned out and started learning on blender instead
@darky45553 жыл бұрын
so funny how he deletes the model in the end.
@gewpy99393 жыл бұрын
This video taught me 2 things. 1. Taught me that vertices matter 2. Don’t pay people, they do shit like this
@Shadowsphere13 жыл бұрын
Bruh, looks like the entire model got thrown into an industrial woodchipper.
@jacplac974 ай бұрын
Damn, it takes alot of effort to make someone as green in 3D modeling as myself, to shriek in horror upon seeing this topography
@TheUnknownAK5 жыл бұрын
I just don't understand the logic of paying for avatars in the first place. I started the game not even being able to put a hat on my avatar because I didn't know you needed to drag the object onto the head bone in unity. From that I have worked up to making relatively complex animations, good quality avatars with props and a lot of custom things I have made from scratch. It's been about a year from then till now and I know to some people that seems like a long time, but I loved learning new things and impressing myself with what I was able to make and my skills progressively getting better. To me avatar creation is 50% of the game and fun itself, when people pay for an avatar or get others to make one for them I feel they miss a huge part of the experience. I went from having 0 experience and skills in modelling and avatar creation and now I am confident in my own abilities. Honestly you're gonna be way happier/satisfied making something yourself and knowing how many hours went into creating it than just paying someone and them sending you a unity project with an avatar that you just press upload on and had no part in its creation. Especially since regardless of how much you pay, it's extremely unlikely that it will be perfect and without flaws.
@MR_FIAT4 жыл бұрын
I am learning how to use blender just because of this.
@sonic260002 жыл бұрын
Well, that's good for YOU, but for other people, time and skill are limited resources. This is coming from someone in the process of retopologizing their own 3D avatar right now.
@Cielle_Slime2 жыл бұрын
There are always people with disposable income who really just want something that looks nice and slightly more unique than most public avis. sometimes people dont have the head for putting together something fashionable or just find doing this sort of thing incredibly frustrating todo.
@Jadecool3122 жыл бұрын
That geometry flow makes me want to cry, a literal fucking nightmare 😭
@jamesklark65625 жыл бұрын
Boy, I sure hope somebody got fired for that plunder
@Astrawboy_NameAlreadyInUse5 ай бұрын
It's literally made for VRChat, that's why the clothes have rigs like that.
@Elkeler.2 жыл бұрын
stop yelling but now you are my favourite youtuber modeler youtuber moderl thanks!
@AngelboyVR5 жыл бұрын
i would carefully subdivide, partialy with the subdividing tool and partialy by hand with the knife. but yes, this model is uneditable. id suggest getting in contact with the actual model creator and ask for an undecimated version.
@hostile-elf2 жыл бұрын
homeboy used the knife tool like a serial killer. i'm a beginner but even i know thats way too damn many vertices, i think deleting it and putting the poor thing out of its misery was the best solution lmao
@errata3935 жыл бұрын
It look's like this model was decimated, maybe that's why topology is so bad, becoase really, it's even hard to create so bad topology like that.
@Im_Ninooo3 жыл бұрын
*"toPoLogY? WhAt'S tHaT?"*
@MelodyArtiez Жыл бұрын
rigging is too hard for me,plus i dont really wanna spend that many time making one so i just threw it into some auto rigger
@pokquat1462 Жыл бұрын
Me quickly writing down everything I should avoid doing
@Rejomei4 жыл бұрын
Those polygons... How... What... I don't even know how to duplicate what I'm looking at o_O How was he even able to rig this thing in the first place?!
@invisablemaster2 жыл бұрын
I hope he got some money back.
@steakwolf93 жыл бұрын
That topology makes me want to barf. Absolutely terrible! It rlly hurt my soul to look at
@PandoraParoru5 жыл бұрын
As an mmder i can fix it easily within two minutes
@shrci24 жыл бұрын
How would you fix it?
@PandoraParoru4 жыл бұрын
shrci2 Models like those have a wheight saved on Pmxeditor you can safe that weight and paste it onto the clothing with it automaticly fixing it
@shrci24 жыл бұрын
@@PandoraParoru really new basically beginner trying to get into model making for vr chat so... a little simpler >.
@PandoraParoru4 жыл бұрын
shrci2 kzbin.info/www/bejne/eHikd6OVj7uam68
@thunderpaws13463 жыл бұрын
That topology 🤮
@PocketDeerBoy Жыл бұрын
I've done low-poly stuff. The problem isn't even a lack of geometry, it's that the geometry is utter nonsense - how does this even happen???? It's like he took a perfectly fine model and crunched it with his teeth like a soda can and then put it back together. I can't imagine modelling like this in a way that would reasonably be lower effort than just using quads like a normal person
@SariphiSekai2 жыл бұрын
2:32 my wrist in real life
@BadgerBlunts Жыл бұрын
Oh my god I've been complaining about the exact same thing for months now!!!!!
@alwaysyouramanda3 жыл бұрын
I’m giving away my works for free until I’m actually impressed with my own work 😭😭😭
@SqualidsargeStudios2 жыл бұрын
what a bloody monstrosity
@DiamondRedFox2 жыл бұрын
okay so, im not experienced in 3d modeling whatsoever. This is better than anything i could make from scratch, but even my dumbass knows to at *least* put more loopcuts around joints. This model's wireframe looks like my models i make via sculpting for my work as a shitty reference, and then use decimate a million times over so it doesnt fry my computer. And my problem certainly isnt that this avatar is bad, it's that it's bad and 75$. if you're making shit avatars, and not even disclaiming that its shit, make it cheap
@NekoSamaIru3 ай бұрын
The model looked okay until you showed the wireframe. This looks like a poor use of the decimate modifier. My body is so uncomfortable right now that I wanna retopologise the model!!!
@RiorXD2 жыл бұрын
Bro wtf that topology is literal garbage and for33,312 verts 17,295 faces at that like how. how did you manage to put that many faces into that. its astronomical thats higher then your average triple a (ingame) model
@celestia2772 жыл бұрын
im getting aneurysm with that topography holy shit
@gustinggrimoire Жыл бұрын
I just started making my first model yesterday. How.... did they manage that with the mesh....?
@coopervr19752 жыл бұрын
he decimated that way to much
@heyseiletsplay81614 жыл бұрын
just had a similar experience where i paid 60$ for a avatar at it looks so bad i dont even want to use it..... :/
@ZaffreFennec2 жыл бұрын
1:38 Woooooooowwwwww that's some kerfuckled topology. How do you even get to that point????
@Messi-rw9ng4 жыл бұрын
That mesh...wtf?
@Grayard2 жыл бұрын
ppl commenting on other ppl stuff is interesting, learning from someone else mistakes is useful x)
@Karin029_3 жыл бұрын
Ewww as soon as you showed the topology I cringed so hard
@RexusKing2 жыл бұрын
1:25 That gave me heart attack!!! Why was the topology like that!!!
@kamillatocha6 жыл бұрын
when u auto decimate
@daton36302 жыл бұрын
what zero knowledge of topology does to a mfr
@azurefoxprince Жыл бұрын
To fix a crappy model select all and delete XD
@Immortal_BP6 жыл бұрын
wow scammers, I have only been modeling in 3ds max for less than a year and this a yikes from me
@blubase062 жыл бұрын
Lmaoooooo all the vertices are in the face I'm dead
@NoRegs30 Жыл бұрын
thats a fucking Koikatsu model somebody got tricked
@lucyl697 Жыл бұрын
And I thought I was bad at topology
@gazumcazum52504 жыл бұрын
We appreciate you’re contribution to the art community
@fluffiestmallard64845 жыл бұрын
It's probably like that to save other people from performance issues since it's a VRChat model but they just can't do it properly.
@rubyy.73742 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of the stuff I made at 13 holy crap.
@RedVRCC3 жыл бұрын
A lot of times they just slap all sorts of ugly shaders and textures on already existing models and charge 50 bucks for it
@cineural2 жыл бұрын
75 Is not even cheap
@GrifChan Жыл бұрын
I mean.. I've done worse wen I started learning blender ,_,
@TheExiledMeriler3 жыл бұрын
I think so.epne decimated model so hard that decides to ignore topology... Yikes
@ObsidionshadowX2 жыл бұрын
I have no idea how all this works, but damn it looks complicated, I hope there's already Dead Space and Bleach Models.. I just want to wear RIG Armor or look like Hollow Ichigo. 😅
@Moon-tz1iy4 жыл бұрын
75? Theres people charging literally $700 on twitter
@shantih194 жыл бұрын
I make vrchat avatars on fiverr and I cringed so hard at this. It's a beginner mistake and even if you were to just decimate stuff automatically, please PLEASE doublecheck your pose and at leat try to fix the weights. And the audacity of asking 75$ for this hot garbage. I do better for way less.
@drewknight91 Жыл бұрын
I recently started modeling in 3d as a hobby, I would never dream of accepting a paid commission, at most I do some models for friends. Then I don't really understand the meaning of this model, I don't understand if it's a joke or just the guy doesn't know the basics of 3d modeling
@kavik54672 жыл бұрын
WTF WITH THAT TOPOLOGY?!
@martymcfly99842 жыл бұрын
nice topology LOL
@paandacat10074 жыл бұрын
He did so well.....
@joeswanson66373 жыл бұрын
I have no idea what that program is or what any of that means but that does not bend right
@AngieChii2 жыл бұрын
this is what my 3D models be looking like :'/
@simonthedigger992 жыл бұрын
i sell mine for 10 dollars and i do proper retopology i should ask for more but im not getting any sales 😢