Cheap VS Expensive Break Barrel - Whats your $$$ Get You? - SIG ASP20 VS Beeman RS2

What happens if we put a budget (cheap) break barrel up against a high quality (expensive) break barrel? In this video we use the SIG ASP20 and the Beeman RS2 Dual Caliber but the results would be similar with any high end break barrel vs a lower cost option. Obviously we know the more expensive gun should win but by how much and is it worth the extra money? For some airgun shooters the extra cost would not make their experience any better but for those that want to hunt at farther ranges or compete with their airgun the extra dollars can make a BIG difference.
In this competition both the Beeman RS2 and the SIG ASP20 had the Hawke 4-12 power Airmax scope so neither gun had any advantage as far as the optic. WE shot them at 30 yards and we shot them over the chronograph. The SIG ASP20 lived up to its price tag and made an impressive group in 20-25MPH winds it also delivered about 21 foot pounds of energy. So the ASP20 won in both the accuracy and power categories. It also pulled ahead in the build quality but ... of course it did after all its about $300 more than the Beeman.
Bottom line, watch the video and you decide if the budget rifle or the high end gun is the best option for your style of airgunning.

[@edwardchoszczyk9957]

Open sites always gives you a first option for aiming and breaking in your air rifle before adding an optic. Buying a decent scope is a luxury for some of us.

[@TheBootyWrangler]

My Gamo varmint was $80 on amazon and came with a real decent scope. My friend wants to try to strap it to his AR and take it to the range. The varmint is actually a lot nicer than I expected, I can sink 2 pellets into the same hole at 10y

[@sartainja]

Amen. I hate most of these KZbinrs who get the products donated then act like it is nothing to spend $450 on a pellet gun.

[@tonettearizabal6431]

@@sartainja .

[@chemicallust77]

@@sartainja Unless that scope comes with the gun, it's an additional $240

[@edsilvius9259]

Just put a cheap red dot on it. Who needs a 3x9 at air gun distance ?

[@Cichlid_Visuals]

ive got the beeman, non dual caliber .177, and when i first got it i thought it was junk, it would shoot a 12 inch group at 25 yards or sometimes completely miss the target. Then i realized the hinge was loose, causing the barrel to droop randomly without me even realizing it. So i removed the two bolts holding the stock, which gave me access to the hinge bolt which i tightened a good bit. After this, with the stock scope, i was able to dial it in, and this little budget rifle can do 2" groups at 25 yards and the stock scope has held true now for over 300 rounds and being tossed around on the bench seat of my work truck. Anybody reading this, remember to tighten up the hinge bolt before you dismiss the beeman as inaccurate.

[@bobritter7197]

Huge factor in accuracy. It's my only concern with buying a break barrel. Good to hear that you were able to fix this deficiency. 👍

[@tywebbgolfenthusiast8950]

I’ve had one of these for years. The squirrels and rabbits in my garden learned a long time ago they didn’t need to worry about me when I was prowling around with that in my hand. I’m gonna see if I can make that adjustment…thanks!

[@g.rodriguez7445]

Lack of open sights is a deal breaker... SHTF and the scope breaks, your screwed... I like both scope and open sights.

[@kradikt666]

Definitely need iron sights

[@TheBootyWrangler]

Another thing you neglect in this video is to try multiple ammo with each gun. I find that when using my $80 Gamo varmint I can sink 2-3 pellets into the same exact hole when using the Luxor Cu pyramid ammo. Whenever I use crossman lead pellets they seem to be hit or miss. I notice the Luxor’s fit perfectly into the barrel to the point you have to press it in. It makes a really good deal on every pellet. $17 for 150 is kind of expensive. But the $4 tin of lead pellets only fits snuggly and makes a good seal 50% of the time. Edit: I find when using my friends airgun thar each gun likes a certain ammo much more than others

[@dmo848]

Gamo hunter 7.56grain. yeah the varmint loves those. Flies Tru also for way less than anything else oh and crosman wadctters. Not sure why but those r great in allot of guns. I've gone threw like 40 or so different pellets. Love my varmint.u Kno I have to get those Luxor u talk about as I haven't tried those yet. I'm excited.lol

[@johnnygunz2300]

Some airguns shoot way different with different ammo. I had to take 3 different pellet types to get one that works for my particular gun. Even the same model gun can be ammo finicky. I fair comparison for accuracy is to figure out what type of pellet works best for each gun and then compare groups.

[@stephenstephen1217]

I agree!! I have 4 break barrel rifles, each shoots best with a different pellet!!

[@Beesa10]

That is a very good point. For me it adds to the enjoyment of shooting airguns because whenever you are shooting a new or different one you need to spend some time testing a bunch of different pellets to find which ones group well. You also need to practice a light, consistent hold and get comfortable/familiar with the gun to get the best results. Checking your scope mounts are secure and stock screws are tight is a good idea once in a while too, the spring vibration can work screws loose over time and your shot groups can start opening up.

[@albertopires1017]

Exactly

[@edgarlombera7066]

@@albertopires1017 that’s what he missed in this review. You can’t compare accuracy if all you try is 1 type of pellet…. Cmon now.

[@musketman54]

One thing to think of is exactly what you said. The Sig has no optic or iron sights. At least with the Beeman you can shoot straight out of the box. The Sig is going to take another $100 minimum for an optic. So that $440 just went to $540. I have Beeman and it seemed after 1000 or so pellets that the accuracy got a bit better. Definitely not a tack driver but better. Awesome video as always!

[@allanbrogdon5317]

We shot rifles as kids but the two best shots I ever made were with a crossman with a scopeTwo doves at about fifty yards about a twenty MPH crosswind, and about 30 feet up an oak tree.I had to hold about a foot in elevation and same for windage.I was surprised I hit them, especially the second one.l was grown at the time and my wife chewed me out because she was feeding them and caught me cooking them

[@seth9537]

I may be splitting hairs here, but what about something like a $180 Hatsan 95 vs. the $350 Sig synthetic?

[@michaelwthalman]

The now discontinued Sig is a huge step above that Beeman. I loved the barrel lockup feature on the Sig. To bad they left the break barrel scene.

[@kindlytoxic1472]

The beeman rs2 is really good with iron sights, I've shot one recently and it handles beautifully.

[@jskaggs8188]

I find that trigger quality is important for accuracy. I have the Beeman and it leaves a lot to be desired.

[@raycarl7933]

I bought one of those Beemans . Cheap plastic sights. Second time out , when I returned home I noticed the fiber optic part of the front sight was missing. Went to remove the front sight to install a feaux suppressor, the sight was like molded to the barrel, had to destroy it to get it off. Treated myself to a Weirauch, what a joy.

[@cloroxbleach8676]

We’re you able to get a fauxpressor on?

[@edgarlombera7066]

Maybe I missed this part, but did you experiment with different pellets with the Beeman? I remember having that gun when I was 13 but I was hitting rabbits with it past 30yds with headshots using crosman premiers. There’s no doubt that the sig is a much better built gun but accuracy can vary with different ammo…

[@jerrypruett8870]

I have had the Beeman Line, both German and Chinese! Depending what you want either use, is for paper, meat or fun? Has a lot to do with distance! I have the HWs, Diana, AA, Spring guns etc., distance, knowledge makes a difference!~ At Ten meters? Don't matter! I have found on some low end verses high ends with open sites, not scoped to be more accurate, matter of opinion! I have put out the big bucks and have some much less expensive over many years of fun and pleasure, just to try and make things work based on quality! As stated many times by many! A person gets what they pay for! After over fifty years of air gunning to day is like nite and day! Good day!

[@Origami84]

One is for pest control and competition, the other one is for fun. I understand it perfectly: for plinking i have a super cheap, super fun umarex nxg apx: weak but strong enough to hit the target, full of safety measures for kids, able to shoot BB too and can store it by the dozens, so i only have to pump it to shoot - and at 10-20meters 2-3 pumps is more than enough.

[@juliusdream2683]

You only miss with iron sights if you can’t shoot. Open sights are a must. Scope. Those guns don’t have the range to even warrant a scope.

[@NorthFloridaAirGunner]

I used a 99 dollar Beeman silver kodiak dual caliber to hunt 6 acres completely out of squirrel. Never missed a shot out to 45-50yardswith the .22cal barrel on it. I have a video of me shooting a squirrel on the move through the branches, followed by a bunch of the ones I killed, mostly head shots. Those Beeman can be very accurate. Just takes learning how to shoot the particular gun. I have a 345 dollar gamo magnum and always choose to pick up my 169 dollar hatsan 125 instead. The hatsan is more powerful than, and more accurate than the gamo magnum at a fraction of the cost. And I have over 1000 rounds through both. Makes me disagree that expensive guns are a lot better than cheap ones.

[@chrishansenbiz]

No break-barrel is worth breaking the bank when there’s great pcp platforms available for the same money.

[@ilijabosnjak76]

Got myself Beeman 1022LVC,that's Canadian anemic version (495 fps) just because it has.22 barrel,the.177 I didn't try to use it since I have designated.177 but now that I think,it could be takedown rifle with 2 calibers which is good advantage in my book and there's a lot of space in the grip to store everything you need (hex key,pellets,some matches,tinder,fishing line and hook or whatever your imagination lets to do...No scope just plain iron sights.. I can't complain,it's a decent air rifle,some people call it Bear Cub or something like that...

[@mikecatania4492]

Great video. I have had 32 different models. What I have found the hatsan both spring and nitro piston shoot 14.3 upper 900 fps and are the quiet but don't last. Very accurate. The best is the RWS 350 mag. 880 fps 14.3 grain. Took it to the shooting range and hung with big bores.Shoots the long ball the best. The best budget gun 199.00 umarrex octain elite 825 fps 14.3.very accurate and shoots the long ball great. Biggest pile of s... T. Ruger Magnum. 400 fps lower than claims. Heavy but accurate. Vibrates. Theses are all 22 cal. Benjamin and the Gamos are real good but the rws models are the best from my experience.Haven't tried sig yet. Storgers are ok, Gamos light and accurate, Benjamin comes with best scopes and quiet. I have had several models of each brand. 400 ish RWS... 300 ish Gamo.... 200 ish U marex..... Ruger exaggerates the most. Hatson out performs everyone but don't last . Both of mine broke a few months after I got them.

[@williamcoon2410]

Thanks for the video, I would love to see this same comparison between the Sig and a Hatsan 95.

[@iyeetsecurity922]

I don't believe the "even with having two of the same gun, they'll most likely favor different ammo" thing. They're the exactly same in every way and there's no way they'd both be picky with ammo like that. It comes down to the operators skills/shooting style.

[@L.V-Rider]

I just bought a Retay 125X in .177 (made in Turkey), it is cheap and the accuracy is very good. Open sights it does 15mm to 20mm grouping at 20 meter, and that is out of the box, first target I was shooting with it. You should try it. If I get sponsered with expensive airguns I will take it as well. For that matter, I will take cheap ones also.

[@belindaclaytor3912]

So I found the video interesting and have been shooting springers and PCPs for 35 years . Nice video to send to friends with questions . Questions that don't include Theoben or Air Arms as answers .

[@rogergoodwin5533]

My Crossman venom 22. NP. nikon 3x7× 32 shooting Crossman Premiere h.p. 30yd. 3/4 moa groups. I'm satisfied. 85.99$ on sale. Shelfed scope it came with. Have a great day.

[@stevenbingham859]

I have a 1974 beeman HW54 Match grade that is lasar beam accurate with match grade pellets. It's my favorite gun.

[@HondaSquid]

Nice video. I was always curious just how much more accurate pricey air guns were compared to the cheaper ones, and your summary was concise but gave great info. I'm really happy with my RS2. My grandpa gifted it to me after picking it up at a rummage sale for like 40 bux and it still nails about a softball sized group at 80 yards and the optics are clear and stable. I've shot it in below freezing temps and humid weather and the sights don't fog up or lose zero. It's a hell of a deal for the package, especially for someone getting their first air gun. I really like the feel and look of the wood stock compared to the plastic stocks on most rifles, especially in the lower price range. My only complaint is that it's LOUD. That SIG seemed whisper quiet in comparison.

[@DrAgan_tortojed]

Beeman RS2 is an obvious winner here. Two barrels (for two calibers) and a nifty (illuminated fiber dots) open sights. Add that 4x32 scope, and you're good to go wherever you like - paper targets at the range, plinking, pest control (rats, crows...), hunting small game (rabbits, jackrabbits, pigeons, even pheasants...) up to 50 yards. At larger distance than that, you'll need much more power (which none of these 2 models can deliver, anyway)...

[@EDOGZ818]

I have a Benjamin Prowler in .22, came with a 4 x 32 center point scope for $60 from Walmart on a roll back & it will shoot the scope off that Beeman dual caliber.

[@net-twin-de]

This is absolutely not a fair or rather a good comparison, because with the SigSauer you pay 390 dollars for the brand name and 10 dollars for the technology - you are certainly better off with the Beeman. Incidentally, I have exactly this Beeman and, strangely, I also hit very small groups like you with the Sig.

[@wascalywabbit]

I like open sights.. I'd just put aftermarket ones as far as the rail is apart ,and go with it... With one of these,im only shooting to a max 50yrds

[@coryjenkins4179]

Interesting but in a servival situation having a scope and an open site as a back up is always better than just scope and to be honest in a SHTF who is going to be carrying a second scope. Sorry I love your channel but I will never put my luck in a sig over a beeman.

[@ShootingGearReviews]

One cool thing about the SIG is that they are American made.

[@TheWingnut58]

@@ShootingGearReviews ....so are Crosman, Benjamin, Sheridan and several others....

[@TheRealPonderingPuffin]

@@TheWingnut58 Crosman is made in China my man. Sheridan is and has been, lik goe Benjamin, owned by Crosman. It's unfortunate, but true, they share many of the same parts, same factory in Shenzhen, China, but, there is still quality, adherent to the standards; basically you're getting better quality with the brands that you've known as quality for years. China makes these, but the QC isn't just, well what you'd expect from the stereotypical chinese mass production factories. I would also say, Sheridan is something you should look into, as that became Benjamin Sheridan (merger or buyout, by Benjamin), decades ago at least, then it all was bought out, by Crosman, who owns all of it. As for the QC, it's very good for what you will pay for Crosman stuff. Yes, the larger the pricetag, the better for newer things, is just a fact. You always can count on that being how it is, but (and it's a big one), there is two to three stage QC, with the products imported. So, China makes it, and it's the same place they have now been made for decades, they check it for QC, so it isn't rejected by the American companies (Crosman is an American company, but nothing has been made here for a long time now). It's then checked by Crosman, and held to the standards you'd expect from the various brands. It really sucks they aren't made here anymore, but, as long as quality control doesn't start becoming worse and worse - like the American Classic series, compared to the original variations - you're going to get what you pay for regardless of where. The company that has been producing all of the brands you named, as well as Beeman, and a few others, is basically held to a standard. TL;DR: If you buy something that's 30-50 bucks at walmart, it's probably not going to be at the level of quality, that you'd get from something you'd pay a couple hundred for at the same place, be it walmart, or dedicated airgun retailers like Pyramyd. It's basically getting what you pay for, but the QC is filtered via multiple entities, so you're still going to get something good. Sorry for the long response, and, it's 5 months late because I just found this channel the other day. Got to say, this is one of the best airgun centric channels there is, and, highly undersubbed. Much love, happy shooting.

[@TheRealPonderingPuffin]

@@TheWingnut58 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crosman#:~:text=Benjamin%20and%20Sheridan%20were%20acquired,a%20youth%2Doriented%20lever%20action. also, here's a link to that aspect, regarding Benjamin buying out Sheridan in '77, and Crosman buying Benjamin in 1992. Also, it varies quite a bit by make and model, which I forgot to mention in my other response. It's made to standards in the US, for many different ones, however some models are still made in the US, but that is on a pretty steady change to be "built to specifications and standards". Doesn't matter where they're made, because multiple levels of QC, and, the fact the company cares enough to differentiate products and hold up the standards, just means that quality control is more rigorous. I collect vintage air rifles, gallery pneumatic rifles, and build custom items as well, so, all in all, yeah it'd be wonderful if things were how they used to be, but, at least Crosman is still keeping up the standards, for all the brands they own. Hope all this helped, or you found it interesting. Cheers, and happy shooting my man.

[@TheWingnut58]

@@TheRealPonderingPuffin ummm....bullshit hardairmagazine.com/features/a-look-inside-the-crosman-airgun-factory-in-bloomfield-ny/ They may have their "Walmart level" airguns/BB guns made in China....but the majority are, and have always, been made in America....

[@joshuagarner5233]

Should compare the sig to the crosman f4 nitro piston. I paid 83 dollars for mine and have way better grouping than the beeman.

[@syitiger9072]

Might be a pellet thing or the gun isn’t broken in yet

[@abelflores3752]

I have that Beeman break barrel and it shoots pellets all over the target, there’s no use having a scope on it. I have a Ruger 22 break barrel that I bought for $120 that is pretty accurate for the price

[@mikewalsh511]

The extra $300 buys you a Sig that comes from the factory ready to shoot out of the box with high perfomance. The Beeman RS2 on the other hand comes totally oiled and gunked up from the factory. It has to be cleaned and then properly lubricated and broken in 500 to 1000 rounds before you see the accuracy and FPS the Sig is giving you. In the long run you spend $300 more for single caliber gun which is not a better deal in my opinion. If you have patience and don't mind a little bit of work the Beeman is the way to go. Grease the main spring with Moly. Lubricate the piston seals with silicone spray. Put a 6mm o-ring on each barrel at the manifold connection to prevent blowby. Then you will outperform the Sig!

[@lupechavezjr6631]

I've got the Beeman Rs2. I use the 22 cal. I'm accurate up to 70 yards, I've had the rifle for about 4 years and it's still going strong. I did change the scope tho .

[@drv30]

why are you measuring the air velocity without loading pellets? you have to measure the velocity of the pellet. The pellet has mass and friction.

[@themanuel111]

He had pallets but the rifle u reload it different

[@trevorallen8514]

@@themanuel111 he's saying the weight and shape of the pellets effect accuracy some air rifles shoot certain pellets really accurate and other kind not so much .

[@irishkelly654]

drv30 - I realize I am late to the party but...if you are referring to where he shoots at the lower altitude, at the range, at the end. That pellet rifle is a Gamo "swarm" - it uses a magazine, so all he needs to do is break the barrel and a pellet is then inserted for him (cool feature), no need to insert them by hand each time. Cheers...

[@adriancox-thesantjordigolf3646]

Great series of comparisons. Keep doing them with all models, love them.

[@jerrypruett8870]

distances, POA etc,

[@TheLithus]

Está claro que a cada carabina le gusta una munición en concreto más que otra, pero la comparativa me parece honesta y acertada para dos carabinas tal cual le llegan de la tienda al que las compra, pero con algo de conocimiento de tuneo , práctica y una buena selección del balin, los resultados se pueden igualar mucho en esas distancias ; para tiros más largos el tirador importa mucho, pero...

[@mikebriseno6241]

My eleven year old grouped his shots 1/2 to 1' of center at thirty yards with the Beeman and the scope it came with.

[@tytorubio3271]

In a survival situation open sights are better than having to put your spare scope on it and being too late, i think anyway. I can recommend a Hatsan or Diana if you like shooting with open sights. Awesome airrifles But there are lots more to choose from ofcourse

[@patrickmorris9087]

I have both of these guns. The accuracy on my Beeman sucks like in this video with the .22 cal. barrel although using the .177 cal. barrel, the accuracy improves to very tight groups.

[@MrJoeygregory]

Man center review of the sig I've been looking for one everywhere I've even contacted the contacted the company because they said they're discontinued to see if they were gonna fire them backup but I haven't got a response I wish I would have got a chance to see that review you did when they were still available But I'm gonna finish watching this video I'm sure the sig is the sig is probably the better of the 2 but you never know

[@tormenter338]

I had a rs2 interchangeable. It was decently accurate, if u really pay attention to your technique. The trigger was the only weak point, but it nailed plenty of targets just fine. Just seemed to always throw a flier here and there that I couldn't explain.

[@ShootingGearReviews]

Ya I had a somewhat decent group going in this video except for those few CRAZY flyers! Especially that one that hit way at the top of the target.

[@candidohernandez8959]

I bought the Sig asp .22 It is deadly out of the box. excellent quality, but It is pretty heavy. great for back yard. I eliminated all the squirrels that were eating my veggies. 1 shot 1 kill.

[@beshoyib438]

At least 1000 shots for the beeman to be broken in after that the groups really tighten in a lot so if you haven’t put 1000 shots through it it will be all over the place. When first got one it was shooting 4 to 6 inch groups with a lot of fliers. Now after the barrel and gun smoothed out its stacking pellets in the same hole

[@trevorallen8514]

Not to mention it shoots certain types of pellets more accurate than others.

[@badkarma6181]

I’ve been waiting for the Sig .22 for 10 months. I can’t seem to find one… Humidity matters more than you’d think…

[@dmo848]

eBay 400 bucks though.

[@tkdsaints5738]

I’m 100 yard plus shooter with my beeman rs2 4 squirrels

[@alfondopreciado7958]

I love hunt I love my daisypower líne 880 177 BB pellets ammunition nice video

[@dockmasterted]

Try desiling the break barrel for more power.

[@jimeagle1155]

I crosman F4 is the best $79 you could ever spend....especially if your just getting into air guns.

[@MountainSportAirguns]

Great video Ben, I enjoyed the comparison of the two guns as well as the velocity changes at high/low elevations.

[@ShootingGearReviews]

Cool, I had not seen any other video explaining the altitude thing so I figured I would throw it on there.

[@basshnter1997]

Are you actually comparing a gas piston gun to a Springer or did I miss something? I've had an rs2 Springer for years. Yes it's cheap. I would plink a 6" plate at 80 yards with it off my deck. Open sights, Crossman premier pellets you get at Walmart. That's plenty good enough accuracy for a gun at this price.

[@vesaparkkonen4279]

I got €99 break barrel and €80 scope,has done everything I tend to do with it.

[@nducation8039]

Both guns performed very well considering the range. 27.5m is no joke for an air rifle, especially a break barrel.

[@leroyjarvis5617]

Great video Ben! If I was for sure I could be that accurate with the sig I'd probably buy it. I've had the Chinese Beeman and ended up giving it away. Mine was just junk when it came to accuracy. My nephew is happy with it and can do about as well as you did with it. I'm probably the worst shot there is with a piston or spring gun. I've never had a quality break barrel before ; however my brother had a Diana 48 and I did ok with it. Keep the videos coming and I'll be watching for sure and im not at all new to airgun shooting.

[@ShootingGearReviews]

Thanks for letting me know that you enjoyed the video, even as a seasoned airgunner.

[@leroyjarvis5617]

@@ShootingGearReviews lol, in my 60s so I'm probably a little bit seasoned

[@happyman4914]

Leroy Jarvis : # 1 - the Diana 48 is NOT a break barrel. # 2 - the Diana 48 is NOT a cheap rifle, it’s a good quality German rifle. Comparing the chinese beeman to the Diana 48 is like comparing a Ford falcon to a Rolls Royce.

[@leroyjarvis5617]

@@happyman4914 so glad for your reply. 1, I never said the 48 was a break barrel 2, I never said it was cheap 3, I dang sure didn't compare it to the "cheap" as you said Beeman. 4, Have a blessed day Edit I did in 1972 have a ford falcon. Dependable car if I remember right

[@waynedavis2505]

I have a Beeman sportsman RS2 series in .22 only. It shoots much better than your gun but took nearly 1500 rounds to break in. Screws on forearm holding gun to stock need to be tightened down. Gun holds 3/4 inch groups at 30 yards.

[@vdivito]

I have the dual caliber version. At first I was going to get rid of it due to the lack of accuracy. After about 500 pellets it completely changed. Now you can take squirrels with headshots at 25 yards.

[@kendalabarca6707]

Totalmente de acuerdo. Tienes lo que pagas...Excelente Video!!!

[@ajmnuisanceanimalcontrolll3895]

Interesting! The only break barrel that I have ever liked is the gamo swarm Magnum. I'm under the impression that you have to find the pellet that matches your gun to get accuracy. So shooting the same pellets in each gun would not be a fair accuracy comparison. In my gamo it is accurate with the gto or slugs over 28 gr. Anything else and I can't hit a barn. I usually shoot 32-35 gr slugs in dish base or boat tail. 2 other break barrels are the same way. I only have one that will shoot lighter pellets. I can notice that all will only shoot certain pellets but jsb is the only brand that is somewhat accurate in all.

[@ShootingGearReviews]

That sounds like something I need to try. I think that the Magnum does not have enough power to push that much led. I might just have to do some testing....

[@ajmnuisanceanimalcontrolll3895]

@@ShootingGearReviews NSA slugs and on eBay there's a guy that sells 35gr cast slugs.

[@eminusipi]

I get it that the muzzle velocity is greater at lower altitude but might that be offset against the greater air resistance on the way to the target? At higher altitude the lower air density would offer less drag on the pellet but is that a significant factor? That would be an interesting experiment.

[@bubbadunkel3736]

I've put up groups at 30 yds which were just as tight as what this gentleman put up with the ASP 20. I was using a $129 .22 NP Benjamin Durango. Go figure.

[@emilydav2980]

Great Big Bore Airgun. 2 years No issues. Not for beginners 😎

[@werkzoekende6553]

Shooting open sight is more confident then with a scope

[@bassmaster8197]

I Broke it by pulling the trigger when it was cocked open. Please be careful all this gun will break very easy but its built so darn nice. I don't know what to do.not throwing it away it has a European wood stock so I guess ill add it to my air gun graveyard. If you have any ideas how to fix please let me know .Thanks all.

[@evolutionindroning.8862]

I'm as new as new can be with air gunning. I bought two the Gamo Raptor Whisper in .177 and the Ruger Airhawk Elite II also in .177. Both as you know are break barrels. Sadly I have yet to shoot either one, as I bought them as Christmas presents for both wifey and I, and we have to wait for Christmas to shoot them, currently it is 10/25/21. Anyways, will be interesting to see how they do as we live at about 6500 feet above sea level. Anyone have any comments or suggestions regarding these two air guns?

[@stephengunrunnerhanson3550]

the beeman is the rifle is crap or it does not like the pellets you shoot, i can get better groups with my smk sx38 and the price of my rifle to the door £200 to my door into my hands, 53 years of shooting HW rifles in 177 but just last year in 22cal, so i bought a xs38 with the walther barrel in 22 cal and it like rws super domes, and i was in for a shock it shoots great, after i cleaned the barrel and it was less and less smoke, and easy to cock and load and very little noise. and the trigger is a layed back trigger its very good all most a HW but a very close to the hw, and the more i use it the better it gets, but a good video, depends how much you spend, no i do not like that idea and very soon i will get and xs36 and a b1 and have heard remarks about the smk b1, i have had a go with one and at 10ftlbs in 22 it was tuned but not for power, but to tune just so its smoother and a 5 shot group under a 20p at 35m , we have a saying in the uk cheaper is not bad ,

[@delmusingle2338]

Seems the SIG ASP20 is no longer manufactured or sold. I could find it listed on airgun sales site, but it said not available.

[@melvinstewart5490]

Did you try different ammo, ammo varies? Did you lubricate the pellets?

[@tomlodge2324]

2% per 1000 feet of elevation is the change in "true airspeed" of a plane, and a pellet should be little different. With that I'd estimate that you lose roughly 10% at 5000 feet. On a 900 fps airgun, that's roughly 100 fps maybe a little more if temperatures are above standard... (59 degrees at sea level).

[@ministermonkey7546]

you did a c- job at sighting in the beeman rs2 which is why all the shots were going left

[@kindlytoxic1472]

He should've done iron sight v iron sight.

[@ratorgersen7938]

any air rifle testing in the wind ...ANY...is a waste of time....the conditions are changing by the second.....which gun got the BEST wind conditions....you don't know...you need to make better choices at what you think is a VALID test....ps...those dual barrel beemans are junk....im supprised that you don't know that...poor...poor test

[@ChrisSmith-gt6lg]

You get a lot more with the Sig? A fair comparison is 3 Beemans vs. one Sig. THAT is a fair comparison. Fair is fair at the same price.

[@MrJoeygregory]

I never heard of the beeman that chiep I'll have to look them up

[@louislajara3887]

Hi Ben, a great VS video as always. I will like to see a VS video between two beautiful multi-shot with wooden stocks, the GAMO Bone Collector Swarm VS the Hatsan Proxima. I consider both rifles a beautiful and appealing add-on to any collection of Airguns. Keep it up the good work!👍👍👍

[@ShootingGearReviews]

I am waiting to get my hands on a few of the new multi-shot break barrels that will be available soon. So stay tuned ;)

[@louislajara3887]

@@ShootingGearReviews Bet I will.👍

[@chuckboy9372]

Did you use the same pellets for the two guns? Isn't that unfair? You should pellet test for each gun and then compare the accuracy.

[@michaellawrence4371]

Did u zero both scopes first because I have a cheap Grossman from Canadian tires and all I do was to change the spring and put a gas ram and it shoots better than most of these five and six hundred $ air rifle

[@drivera4295]

He says for survival purposes he doesn’t like open sites and prefers scope! But what if your scope breaks and you don’t have an extra scope! Open sites is the next best to have on your pellet rifle. I prefer having a pellet rifle that has open sites in case your scope breaks down! Just my saying!👍🏼

[@marcnissen578]

I’ve got the asp20 with a red dot perfect for me

[@brianj123458]

You cant use the same pellets as a fair comparison. Just like a real gun there more accurate with one ammo, and then you put different ammo in the same gun and cant hit the broad side of a barn. So this video is not a fair comparison.

[@baalofbabylon3022]

I'm looking for a first time bb/pellet gun for my 12 year old nephew to buy. I want to make sure I can teach the basics using sights/scopes. Since I haven't done military stuff since the 90's/70's, I kinda want to provide open sight training. This is just for backyard shooting and stuff. Suggestions?

[@trevorallen8514]

For a 12 year old hands down get the daisy 680 powerline . Super accurate using the iron sights grab a couple of types of pellets I forget which ones shoot the best in that gun . I will say the scope it comes with sucks so buy a 40 dollar scope or after he gets good with the iron sights buy an actual air rifle with decent scope.

[@trevorallen8514]

The daisy is around 40 to 50 bucks so you can't go wrong with the price with how accurate it's iron sights are and it shoots bbs as well as pellets can't go wrong .

[@stevebrigandi3488]

By all means teach the young fellow to shoot iron sights first. Irons are superior to scopes in many ways. Also, teach him to shoot in standing, prone, sitting, and kneeling positions. Ditch the sandbags, too.

[@user-oc6qs1po3j]

I got a few cheep ones rusting in the corner. Here I make it simple spend the $$,get a gun that hits target cheep gun get disappointed an think that all pellet guns suck. My son shoots a hw30 it's like 250 an shoots as good as the sig

[@ShootingGearReviews]

I totally agree. If you shoot and don't hit the target (especially when you know you aimed correctly) it makes you think airguns suck. That almost happened to me until I tried some quality guns and then I could see how accurate airguns can be.

[@BoggWeasel]

The test that isn't realy a test.... I have to have open sights, suits how I shoots, as for the guns, my choice? Neither.... RWS, FWB or HW for springers

[@ampatriot]

If you cannot shoot iron sight with any type of gun..... turn in your card.

[@SiMahDan]

Speed test.A break barrel with a cartridge?

[@regsparkes6507]

There at about the 2:14 mark you said 'have a spare scope" isn't it true that the Hawke scopes are Air Gun rated,...i.e. built to withstand the sharp recoil ( sometimes ) of some break barrel air rifle may give? I sure do hope so, as I have bought three Hawke scopes just for my air rifles, lol! This video lays it out for sure,..cheap is all over the target,..more money,..equals better groups on target, it is just that simple. Thanks for this Ben.

[@mackhomie6]

the airmax series is, but you can use their other lines on all but the most powerful

[@mackhomie6]

I appreciate the video. but what's the point if you're not using the pellet that works for each gun?

[@Wertyingf]

Why don't you put the wind to your back then it's not a factor. As far as pushing the pellets to the right or left

[@davestephens4210]

Not a valid comparison mate !! I have a .22 Beeman RS2 and I like it. When I bought it I tried JSB 14.35g and JSB 25.39g pellets, both 5.52mm heads. It was horrible, about like your review test. I captured a pellet in folded up towel and found heavy rifle scoring on the head and skirt that was not even. No wonder it was spraying them around, like a curve ball, marked unequally. I then tried H&N 18.21g hollow points with 5.50mm heads. It went from zero to hero !! I got 2cm groups at 20m. The JSB 14.35 cronoed at 629 fps, The H&N 18.21 at 630.5 fps (16fpe) out of a new rifle. It is a pity I'm so far away, I would challenge you to a match, my Beeman against your SIG with a pot of the price difference. Now that would be interesting

[@craiguderwood2388]

gammo magnum 22 beats that SIG ASP20 buy far in power!

[@marcnissen578]

Did you do the gamo squirrel hunt this year or do they do that anymore

[@richardturner6981]

I like this video you made also. I told you in another video that i just purchased a nice Crosman Shockwave .22 and you make breaking the barrel look so easy, i hope it is. What is the range again for my rifle and is it possible to mount a red dot laser sight on it? i didn't know altitude affects a pellet rifle. I live in Florida and i'm only 12" above sea level. I would like to see you make a video comparing my Crosman Shockwave with some other rifle to see how my rifle does. I shoot .22 hollow points because i have a Crosman .22 American Classic P1322 Pistol which is fun to target shoot. I'm going to get .22 H&N Hornet pellets and try them on an expired license plate. Take it easy and happy shooting. Looking forward to hearing from you.

[@guinnessdog7105]

0:51 why does the trigger and trigger guard look cheap as.. kinda suspicious ngl

[@trevorallen8514]

What kind of pellets were you using ? The beeman shoots certain types better than others after testing it with alot of different ones I found Hatsan Vortex Supremes and the RWS Super H Point pellets shoot super accurate with this rifle . ( I apologize if you said which kind in the video I must have missed it )

[@eddiecahall3824]

I'm 2-4 ft below sea level. I'm shooting 1120 fps

[@bradyclark4788]

“the beeman is plenty accurate”…ben shooting 12 inch groups at 30 yards😂

[@JohnDoe-ud2cc]

What scope would you recommend in the $40 range? I’m a real rifle guy and have some $500 real scopes, but want to upgrade my 4x that came on my gamo. I don’t want to break the bank for something going on a $150 air rifle.

[@gmanneod8085]

Thanks for the VS video and the introductory philosophy. You always bring an honest approach to your videos. II looked really cold outside for Arizona. What 45 degrees for your thin blood? Come to WI, LOL! I think your explanation of quality and accuracy being the reason for spending $300 extra was well understood Maybe a few words explaining, with pictures, what quality details (trigger, barrel, and overall engineering) makes up that $300 difference would help your beginner audience understand why a little better. Thanks for your hard work and providing us with entertaining videos!

[@ShootingGearReviews]

LOL, it was 39 and windy! HAHA Sure I'll come to WI in May or June.

[@JimMorten]

Ben keep these great videos coming!

[@jgfox1983]

But if a decent rifle has open sights you can shoot straight out the box and save up for a decent scope... I’m going for a HW77K special edition and save up for a decent scope

[@deanwells2859]

I would NEVER buy another Beeman air gun again. I bought a Beeman R-1 in the 1980’s because it was supposed to have been one of the best and paid extra to have it lazerized. The damn thing sits in my closet today and is unusable because the piston was a piece of shit. It also came with a lifetime warranty which is also crap because they (Beeman) went bankrupt and I have ZERO warranty. The lesson learned is never buy an air gun, regardless of the manufacturer unless they have been in business for at least 5 years and the track record of what they produce only is quality stuff.