Short Barrel Showdown!...Hornady Critical Defense 40 S&W vs 45 ACP Self-Defense AMMO Test!

[@anangryranger]

I've been saying for over a half a century that if you want expansion from a 45 Auto, you need a 185gr HP moving at 1,000 fast. Your test here simply reinforced what I've known for ages.😏

[@therichie9916]

That's only because most people now of days want 3-3.5" barrels for their carry guns. A 4.5-5" barrel with a good performing 230gr HP will still and always give you superior performance. Of course guns that size require real men to carry them. I've done it for over 35 years without any issues.

[@jona5517]

230gr gold dot short barrels perform fine out of a smaller .45

[@anangryranger]

Though I haven't bought factory ammo except for rimfire, in decades, I was never worried about plain 45 ball ammo I used in S.E. Asia long ago. I can personally attest to it's ability to get the job done. I've loaded my own for well over 60 years. And have used JHP bullets in loading for my 45's in the past with greatest results using 185gr bullets loaded just a tad under the listed max loads. Hitting various varmints caused devastating wounds. Today, I cast and load 180gr and 200gr SWC for my two 1911A1 pistols. The 200gr is very effective on the number of wild hogs here in E.Texas, seldom ever requiring a follow up shot. And it bowls over coyotes with ease. Using the current prices of powder and primers, my cast loads in the 45 Auto are 12 cents a piece. And my test media is varmints. Likely, they'd act differently in a jelly test.😏

[@riju2294]

@@therichie9916 Agreed! Took me little to adjust to the weight, but a light weight framed 1911 is king! Full size runway for that 230 grain and it's magical. 👍🏼

[@johnmorganjr769]

Agree, 💯

[@rsbreeze]

Everybody's friend the .45 ACP. .45 is just a damn fun round to shoot and very accurate from 1911.

[@largol33t1]

The Heckler & Koch USP is also very accurate. It's surprising how easy it is to get 2" groups even if I use two brands of ammo in the SAME magazine! I might consider a box or two of this ammo but wowee it is expensive. 20 rounds is almost $22 everywhere i look!

[@BatColonyEvictor]

Great review Tool! I carry this round in my G22. "Make the .40 great again!"

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@danieloneill-wc4rk]

I own the g 22 aswell. It is a hammer !!

[@diegomireles]

Amen bro!

[@treetop.garage]

The 45 acp did about perfect..great test buddy

[@WinchesterSuperX1]

I think you just made a good recommendation for those who carry lightweight shorter 45 ACP’s. As I also carry a 3.6” 40 I must say this is a timely and well done test. BTW, thanks for your even handed treatment and consideration of all calibers instead of just 9mm everything. To those of us who carry other calibers we do very much appreciate that. Ironically I am carrying 30 Super Carry experimentally as well so the above comments apply there too. This cartridge has not yet found its niche. In a slimmer slide than a 9mm pistol in full size or compact is where that niche would be found with 19-23 round capacity. For the 30 SC to be truly relevant the gun has to be built specifically to take advantage of the skinnier dimensionality of the cartridge. We don’t have that yet, but maybe……

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. I think you're right. The 30SC was designed for the wrong market in my opinion. If they would have gotten that cartridge running in a "pocket" gun with power between a .380 and 9mm, it may have been something. I think they're so far off from that now that it would take a complete redesign. But they're the experts and I just shoot bullets into gel on YT so 🤷‍♂️

[@Dennisthemenace40]

@@ToolsandTargets Those were my thoughts, exactly 👍

[@leahbennett4979]

Plus, they should have called it the .30 s&w instead of the 30 stupid carry,might would have been better marketing, but who knows.

[@q1fiend623]

It's amazing how some 45s going sub 1000 still expand like they do.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah it is.

[@taylorx9211]

I don’t understand the hate for .40, it’s still a fantastic round

[@johndilday1846]

Most of the hate for the .40 is due to the heavy recoil from shooting it in pistols designed for 9mm Parabellum. I have a pistol that is a bit heavier and it is pretty tame, relatively speaking.

[@robertdunbar5854]

Me either, it's a great caliber in a smaller platform. Good part is ammo seems to be easier to find and less cost.

[@GLOCKCOPG23]

The 40 hate comes from 9mm guys who say “my 9 is as good as a 40 or 45” while deep down they know they are delusional and they want you to believe their bullshit too. They in turn espouse the superiority of their little 9mm to try and drag us on their band wagon.

[@13BravoBiggunsM110SP]

Bullets are like sockets, you need the right one for the job, but I like 45acp and 10mm and 40 up close, but 40 and 9 mm further away

[@isaakpenunuri3242]

@@13BravoBiggunsM110SP10mm is the most powerful of the rounds you listed, I’d trust it farther ranges then I would the others. I edc the 40 tho, love it’s versatility.

[@PerceptionVsReality333]

That G30 + the round tested is literally the perfect setup for SD & HD, it expands nicely & hits hard & doesn't over penetrate.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Pretty impressive from a short barrel .45acp.

[@heathmarcum5390]

Glock gen 4 is a classic. I love a gen 4 27 for edc. Its a solid pocket cannon

[@ToolsandTargets]

Plenty capable.😎👊

[@dancruze]

Glawk!

[@kevinyamada1937]

Been carrying the Hornady 40SW in a M&P 40c for a while now. Good to know it's going to work well. Thanks for the nice review.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@almaadams3631]

Trying to find a 2.0 40c ( 10rnd, no safty) for some time now. I know they were produced; I thought at least a used one would show up eventually....no dice!

[@AzBigD]

What I don't understand about bullet manufacturers is why don't they actually give you more velocity than what it's showing on the box, All it would take just add a tad bit more powder in the casing to bump up velocity... That's why I only purchase Buffalo bore ammo because they give you more velocity when you actually shoot it then what the box shows. Great vid!!!❤💯🤟😎👍

[@RobDelacruz-w6d]

​@@almaadams3631... Yeah, I know, good luck with that. 😅. But, maybe look at the Shield Plus, with 4" barrel.

[@timblack7017]

@@almaadams3631 I did a quick search on Fudd central (gunbr0ker) and saw a few there. Wouldn't hurt to ask the seller if they ship to commie states.

[@JohnD357]

This is why I carry a 45 a lot of the time. The other rounds are trying to expand to the same size the 45 starts out with. In this case, the energy of the .40 is getting dumped outside of the target, while the .45 dumped all its energy in the target. Another win for the .45.

[@YattaMoyo]

Bigger diameter bullet with the same energy on target power as a 9mm isn't a win

[@johngregory4801]

​@@YattaMoyoBigger expansion, 16+" penetration, yeah, it's a win.

[@Rusonekox9]

2 millimeter win 😂😂😂😂

[@boedude8496]

i'm seeing a much larger wound channel in the first 6-8" which tells me it dumped a bunch of energy up front. the lack of expansion allowed for the extra penetration. based on this test i would definitely go with the 40

[@YattaMoyo]

@@boedude8496 185 45 has to be plus p to even compete with standard pressure 165 40 and don't even get me started on the flush magazine capacity

[@billdye3530]

The 45acp sure expanded better & even though the lighter 40 shows more energy the 45acp had more initial reaction with the gel. Both are good. Good work as always. 👍🙏

[@SmokesKwazukii]

way more energy. the 45 wound track was very underwhelming. the 40 was devastating despite incomplete expansion

[@furmanmackey5479]

Folks tend to forget that the .45ACP round had a "side" requirement from the U.S. Army that is rarely mentioned today. It had to launch a bullet of sufficient weight/mass and velocity to stop a charging horse.....A requirement passed on from the older .45 Colt's. The bullet weight was finalized at 230grns. There are many more details to the story of the development of the .45ACP but I'll leave that research to those who are interested in why the 9mm was not chosen way back when as that story is so convoluted an untold number of trees have died so many, many volumes explaining, complaining about, and arguing the results could be printed.

[@poisonPpaully]

I like the 40 better more energy and penetration but that 45 did do really nicely also

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yep 😎👊

[@billieglennbusch2189]

I’ve said it once, twice and for the third time Tools IS the reason I obtained a g27 with some federal 👊 for my edc. I hope no one ever ever is in a situation where this is needed, but due to the efforts of this channel you can feel confident that it will do well. Thanks again Tools.

[@gundude4609]

Only concern I would have with the .40 is over penetration. That bad boy went zipping through there! I have a .40 and .45. Which to use?🤔

[@christophergolden5297]

I still prefer the Federal HST for my .40 s&w they open up beautifully every time. Great video

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@Revolverman38]

I carry the HST 230gr+P in my Glock 30s 🇺🇸

[@largol33t1]

How much is it in your city? Where I live, it's too pricey so I go with plain Winchester HPs. It's interesting that almost all .40 rounds average slightly over 1,000 fps regardless of brand.

[@rangetime6779]

Thanks for the 40 S&W test

[@usafammo461]

I have the G27, and the G30. I have some of the 40S&W, 165 C-Defense, but only the 220 C-Duty +P for the 45ACP. However, I wouldn't have any issues carrying any of those demonstrated here. I do like the bigger mushroom that the 45ACP demonstrated. Keep those great videos coming, good info!

[@rickh9396]

Hornady may have used a softer lead for those .45 ACP bullets to expand at slower speeds, or a harder lead than usual for the .40. Most Critical Defense loads expand a lot and penetrate a bit shallow, but this .40 expanded more like a Critical Duty.

[@allenbolen9705]

The 40 wound channel looks much better! Not a fan of 45 myself or critical defense. If you’re spending that much money get HSTs! Glad to see the jelly giggle!😁 Thanks Tools 👍🏻

[@ToolsandTargets]

💥😎👊💥

[@gk5891]

I buy whatever the local dealer has from the latest contract overrun. I honestly don't think a huge difference in the latest LE ammo exist from brand to brand. They seem to do similar damage in flesh. I carry a .45 mostly because the G30 fits my 8"+ mitts better. The cavity in gel doesn't really mean anything. Tissue is elastic enough it doesn't react to handgun velocities that way. Average expanded diameter x depth is likely a better metric. I can't really tell a notable difference in tissue (We are constantly culling wild hogs on our farm).

[@thePrussian]

Interesting test. The wound channel on the .40 looked pretty good.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I wouldn't kick em out of my mags.😎👍

[@salextodd2]

I’ve always been a fan of .45 ACP - so I’m happy with this test. Thanks Tools for all that you do!!

[@kentuckywindage222]

Nice work Tool's! I'll have to keep that 45acp 185 gr in mind. Nice expansion and penetration from the G30. Thanks for the work putting these together. Keep'em coming!

[@kevinramsey4673]

Excellent tests Tools! I carry both of these guns. In my G27 I carry 165 gr HST and in my G30 I carry 200 gr Gold Dots+p.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Good stuff.😎👊

[@RL-RL]

The 40S&W could stand a little more opening, and it wouldn't have traveled so far. For me, the clear winner is the fat boy. It opened fully and did it's job. Now that's coming out of shorties. For me I'm like you and like those weights in both calibers. Great test!

[@RobDelacruz-w6d]

Liking the 45 ACP the best of the two, absolutely !! It's a BEAST !! I'm going to get some for my Glock G30 s.

[@garretthenry4461]

My every day Carrie is a Glock 30 and I always shot the critical defense as well as the American gunner ammo by Hornady the 185 grain XTP hollow points worked really well

[@gwidwock]

Both look A-OK. I'd be satisfied wit either. Great test. Thanks!

[@hoffpbass]

You ran those exact 40s out of another (iirc) under 4" barrel a couple months ago and it rocked it. And that wound channel today looked nasty. So, I'm looking at these. And it's good to see the 45s working, too. Can use in the Commander with confidence. Thanks again, Tools. Have a Happy 🐟 Fry Friday 🎉🎉🎉

[@ironmikehallowween]

Your test with the 45 has made a believer out of me.

[@JMBAmericanIronShallNotBeInfri]

I'm an HST guy in all the calibers. With runner up, only because it's harder to find, being the Winchester ranger series. Most everything else seems to be hit or miss as far as reliable expansion and penetration. Thanks as always for the demonstration!

[@deangustafson7533]

Wholeheartedly agree. These two were our duty ammo for my agency, depending on who got the bid for that cycle. I attended numerous autopsies as part of my responsibility for my assignment. Both rounds performed well in actual duty use. For my off duty carry, I used to carry a G36 in 45 cap, but with the improvements in projectiles and powders, I only carry 9mm or 40. I see no benefit to carrying the 45 any longer.

[@Tlklmk]

That's good cause that's what I carry is .45 out of a G30!!!

[@ronaldbarnes8302]

I’m impressed with the 45’s performance especially out of a G30, need to grab some for my G36. The 40 hit hard and will definitely get the job done. Thanks for the jelly test Tools!

[@balancedfordaylight1]

I have carried both of these in these exact two guns I am happy to see that they both perform from those short barrels

[@ToolsandTargets]

Double trouble.😎👍

[@tommylitchfield3450]

I always enjoy your testing, Tools, but these types are probably the most useful... The best weight round out of a tool the size that people are most likely to be using for concealed carry. Keep em comin, Tools!

[@beecj0]

My favorite as well.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. It's the scenario I'm most interested in too.

[@Swampytheroot]

Nice! My personal preferences for the two are 185+P Golden Saber and 155 Gold Dot. The Gold Dot is an absolute beast at 1250fps from a G22, over 500lbs energy.

[@lukaszimmermann2215]

The best channel on KZbin if you want to see no nonsese jelly time. I absolutely love that accent, best wishes from Germany.

[@HOOSIERDADDY385]

That 45 did very nicely. 😀👍

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yessir 😎👍

[@murphymmc]

Glad to see this test. I have the CD in my .45ACP, my rudimentary tests showed similar results, but nice to see the gel test. I have some 180gr hp's from Ammo Inc in my .40, their Blackline series. It did very well in water jugs, would like to see a gel test with the stuff. Shot from a 3.2" barrel, it did surprisingly well. I hope your suppliers have some, I'm having trouble here in the People's Republic of Washington State finding more. We're still in a politically induced ammo shortage.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Hmm, I'll have a look. I know I have them in 9mm so if I can hunt down some 40 it might be a good comp.

[@clinkerclint]

Nice to see the 45 do so well. So much of their stuff looks like the 40 did. Thanks for your work!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Surprised me.😎👍

[@MrZachxd]

Great video! I didn't expect that from the .45 at all!

[@petee454]

I carry 45 in full size 5inch 1911. Here in the embarrassing NJ (no hollow points allowed)I use Hornaday Critical Duty 220gr +P. I have a bunch of the 185gr Critical Defense. Excellent test!!!! Wish they would +P the 185gr Defense. Probably help it. Either way, Excellent test and work my friend!!!

[@GSAZYNSKI]

I moved out of that used toilet flange of a state in 1990 to VA. Sadly, Northern VA voters try to make VA like NJ.

[@petee454]

@@GSAZYNSKI praying I can afford to move asap

[@danpatton3891]

The jacket on the 40 wasn't thin enough for decent expansion, whereas in the 45, it was. My guess is, if the barrels were at spec length, you would have the same result.

[@thomcampbell9749]

I sure like your videos you have saved me tons of money on ammo thank you so much partner TC

[@Gieszkanne]

But even with the smaller expension the disruption in gel of the 40 looks better. Would have bee interesting to see how this 40 would open up from a longer barrel.

[@kimness7796]

Love your tests!!!! I've got both tools also but in longer bbl G's.I really can't make up my mind!!! Plus throw in my 9mm with Gold Dots, etc. Both of these shorties are the size of .38 revolvers but pack 400+ fpe. The .45 185 should be at 1100.

[@mckenzieb92]

The wound channel on the 40 looks much bigger than the 45 despite the 45 opening up more, interesting

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yep, and people like to tell you that energy means nothing in a handgun.

[@mckenzieb92]

@@ToolsandTargets this puts me in a predicament of whether I get a 40 instead of a 45 or get neather and stick with 9mm

[@SBK27]

@@mckenzieb92it’s good to have a 9mm for home defense (light). I EDC a Glock 22 Gen 4 for a big punch

[@wayneisbell]

I switched to the 40 S&W some years ago. Friend used to mess with me S & W stood for "Slow and Week". I always felt like the 40 was close to the 45 but held more rounds, less recoil, lighter weapon. Your video shows it actually being more powerful than the 45. " Wish I never would have had to use it"

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@kens17761]

Nothing better than starting the weekend with some jelly time!!!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Some good ones on the way!😎👊

[@jasonb7878]

You said it. They are both mean mothers. Don’t hate any caliber. They all have a purpose. Thank you for another test

[@lonewanderer3603]

This was an awesome advertisement for HST.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😂😂😂

[@johngregory4801]

I dont know about the .40 S&W, but the .45 ACP round is rated from a 5" barrel, so 1000 fps from a Government Model 1911. (An old Hornady print catalog - now in storage - to the rescue)

[@anthonyb2334]

I was surprised as well. I like my M&P 40 with a 4” barrel, and was thinking just like you about this ammo before your tests. But I love to watch your channel and learn the facts. Thank you

[@curtk8130]

This is a good matchup! Would love to see both out of a full size to see how they do there. You had a video comparing the 40 to the 9 in this brand and it had great penetration in that one as well. Curious to see if the extra velocity adds more expansion and less penetration or just more of this. Excellent video I hope you have a great weekend!

[@trustnot9]

I have a couple of boxes of each of both the 40 and 45 after your test i'm glad i have that ammo. Thanks my friend.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Good stuff 😎👍

[@trustnot9]

@@ToolsandTargets Yes sir....

[@MrAvidOutdoorsman]

Good thing i was wearing my eye protection!

[@taasch2505]

Not bad but I don't see a reason to upgrade my Federal Punch that sits in my Glock 30 atm. I think the punch might have performed slightly better in your test of it; correct in me if I'm wrong. I prefer a 13-14" penetration point with a wide Mushroom. I feel better about not over penetrating but knowing it will reach where it needs to

[@flapthecrapster]

I think I’m going to get me some of these for my XDM 45. I was leaning that way with all the other reviews but I said Ima see what Tools has to say about all this and your review sealed the deal. Thanks for all the videos bro, to me you’re the final authority when it all comes down to jelly time!

[@chretired]

Nice test Tools. Thanks again for all the time & effort you put into your videos. Especially going out into less-than-ideal weather conditions. Have a great weekend. Be vigilant and always be safe my friend.

[@michaelormond6054]

Will i learn something here i always thought the heavier the better in most ammo

[@ElainesDomain]

I've got a box of this in the 40. I don't think there will be a second. I'll stick to the 180 grain for a while longer. Good test Tool Guy. Saved me yet again.

[@steelpunisher6944]

I think the 45 took that one. Great expansion and great penetration. Win win for me. I do carry these in the winter when I carry my G30. So it’s good to see they’d get it done. But the .40 would certainly get it done too. Good stuff as always 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

Agreed. This one surprised me.

[@Bob-lq9ys]

Good test, thanks for sharing

[@tylerd8516]

I’ve said it before but 40 S&W is just a better round than 9mm or 45 acp. It really is the perfect balance between the 2. Great video as always 🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@Gbody_Klown]

Either way it goes they’re all good I don’t know anyone that’ll stand In front of a .22lr

[@upholdthesecond92]

Nice test. I like both 40 and 45, but I’m hooked on the Ranger T-Series loads for self defense.

[@chadcrader7542]

I have a 40 and 45, both are great rounds

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@rogerjohnson6733]

Although I am a 45acp and 10mm fan.. I agree with you about the 40S&W and 45acp both being excellent rds. Have to admit I was pulling for the 45acp. Just because I don't own a 40S&W, though!

[@wadelucero6461]

I only carry full size but if I ever do carry short barrel compact I would choose lite for caliber so thanks for the data 👍👍

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@Bj-vi3tq]

Great video as always. I'm a 45 hst guy, but that 40 wound channel is very impressive. I'd pick the 40 if in the market for a new one.

[@leonardpiskacsr.7111]

I use the 45acp Critical Defense at home for my Ruger American Full Size ...I sleep well at night!😊

[@scarifrougeone7225]

Agree with you Tools on this test. The short barrels results are pretty good. Hornady CD is good to go for both calibers. I will have to go with the 45acp as the winner. But both was good. Great testing and commentary. Be safe. 🇺🇸⭐️🇺🇸

[@ericstites9470]

I carry that .40 ammo in a 5" M&P 2.0. Measured one I fired through water jugs, and it expanded to .731" after exploding two jugs and ripping up the third one.

[@richki.24]

nice expansions ..

[@ToolsandTargets]

Not too shabby.😎👍

[@maxmccain8950]

I like the performance of the Critical Defense rounds but I’ve had the 9mm and the 40 hang up on the rubber tip on the feed ramp of my Glocks and have seen the 45 hang up on a friends 1911. I don’t know if these rounds were out of spec or what. If I used these I’d make sure the rubber tip doesn’t stand out too far. Another great test (as usual).

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. I've seen a few other people mention that.

[@thisismagacountry1318]

Beretta PX4 goes straight in, no feed ramp needed.

[@jasonseaton6895]

​@@thisismagacountry1318Beretta 92FS is the same, straight feed!! Both amazing pistols!!

[@raylauderback5126]

Really great presentation, Sir! 👍

[@moshedayan9049]

I look forward to seeing your new videos! Thank you 🙏 Sir

[@SwampOperator]

This is what i carry in my xds40. I usually get about 1140 from the 3.3 inch barrel... Its as close to a real 40 round as you can get from a big manufacturer..

[@CeltKnight]

Always some good info here! Several years ago at a ballistics seminar put on by the local FBI office, we tested 165 gr HST .40s from a local PD's custom extended barrel Glock 22s and then from my tiny Kahr PM40. (I know I had 165 gr, I cannot swear their weren't the 180 gr HSTs but I think we shot the same thing). We fired through "light clothing" (two layers of T-shirt), both rounds stopped side-by-side at exactly 16" and looked identical. Both completely expanded and to the eyeball, no difference at all. I was surprised as I figured from that tiny Kahr barrel there was no way that round would expand. I guess that big ol' wide mouthed hollowpoint just didn't need as much push. BUT that's HSTs and these here were Critical Defense, apples to oranges. Still, great info! Thanks!

[@ToolsandTargets]

HST in .40S&W is the real deal.

[@CeltKnight]

@@ToolsandTargets Yes, sir! Practically barrier blind, too! We did the full FBI test using car steel, tempered windshield glass, different clothing layers ... Gonna suck when my stash runs low one day, LOL. You should have seen what Federal 62 gr JSP .223 did! Flipped one block over, split the plywood under the block, and broke the crossbeam on the saw horse underneath. And stayed in the first bock, IIRC. Probably a terrible choice for hunting anything with more than 2 legs, though. ;)

[@randyduncan795]

Middleweight in 45 has always been 200gr for me. The original was 230gr FMJ and I sometimes loaded light 185s for practice. I wonder how the old Remington 185JHP+P would perform. IIRC it was rated for 1120 out of a 5". It looked like the 40 was a bit snappier in this test and that's no surprise given the pressure difference. This is another great presentation showing the need for such testing.

[@nathangarner1574]

Absolutely love your channel! Been watching your channel for along time. You get down to business and get the job done. I can always find the ammo and barrel length I'm looking for. Keep up the Great work 👍 you all know what time it is 😊

[@normskvarca]

I love your videos, your accent takes me home... Augusta Georgia!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Nice! I was born and raised in Savannah. Lived in Augusta for a short time as a kid.

[@Nickrioblanco1]

The 40 projectile expansion doesn't look pretty but the wound channel disruption looks better. Did the camera angles fool me?

[@ToolsandTargets]

No, you're right. That extra energy I imagine.

[@rmax2]

I really enjoy both calibers and have used them for years, between the two though I carry a .40 more often and it's always stoked with Underwood 155g XTP's. 👍

[@Lexicologist1971]

That 40 makes me happy to have boxes of Winchester Ranger T's in 40. That is horrible.

[@josephpacchetti5997]

That 45 was surprising, back in December 2019 I picked up a 25rd box in 9mm and the cases were nickel plated, has Hornady got cheap on us with brass cases? Enjoyed It regardless, Thanks Brian, have a safe weekend. 👍🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, they jumped on the "supply chain" excuse with some of the others to increase profit by stopping the nickel plating. Plain ol greed.

[@nhwnhw02]

The 45 acp Critical Defense bullet was designed with slower MV expectations. I wonder what HST ammunition with the bullet weights would look like out of the Glock 27 and Glock 30.

[@jameshood9694]

I like those loads but recently have been more interested in the Critical Duty version in 45 acp and 357 Mag. If you ever get a chance check out some 45 acp and other ammo from Gorilla Ammunition and another called Lost River Ammo Company. I'm looking at a specific load they make now. It's a 170 grain Keith wide flat nose in 357 Mag. They make some interesting loads.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@caleb6988]

I would like to see the 45acp tested out of a 5" 1911. Great test brother tools 😎

[@williamwright8594]

I have both a .4o and a .45 in my carry rotation in addition to a 10mm. I have no qualms at all about trusting my life to any of the 3. The .45 edges the other two due to the individual gun, but all 3 are great.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yessir. They'll do their job if we do ours.😎👊

[@rjw261984]

Appreciate the tests, Tools. 🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Appreciate you!😎👊

[@Gmar69]

The underlaying part to all of these tests is "shot placement." There are specific areas of a human body to aim for that would cause certain death in minutes without trauma care. I suggest that everyone research this. It will be a game changer for you.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Placement is definitely #1.

[@corbinpowell128]

Tools&Targets, my two airsoft guns have a similar extreme spread as the 40 S&W. There at 26 FPS extreme spread while the 40 S&W had 20 FPS extreme spread.

[@brandiwynter]

I'm a fan of both these calibers but I have to admit I didn't expect that .45acp to do that well. I'd be curious how well the expansion would be from multiple rounds. From other tests I've seen, when you're running on the ragged edge of the expansion threshold it's not uncommon to have 2 or 3 out of a 5 round sampling not expand.

[@Bedbassandbeyond]

That 40 is performing like the preTENdos.

[@johnmorganjr769]

😆 'pretendos' 😆 There on there....😆

[@adamshaw8214]

185+p golden saber 45 is devestating. Beats the bonded version the gold dot and the hst.

[@chrisgabbert658]

👍😊🎯 that’s the short barrel now the 5”.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@CookieMonster_1969]

That was a surprising result,🤷‍♂ how the slower, heavier, .45 got the expansion and the .40 didn't...🤔

[@charlesmorgan1879]

Could be that particular bullet not fully expanding but would work and I did pickup a few boxes on sale at RK. Thanks for info !

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@JoshPrice-n9k]

45acp 200grn +P golddot.

[@davidjernigan8161]

The 40 caliber bullet seems like it was constructed for 10 mm by the way it behaved

[@williamlowe2046]

How about using longer barrels. 5, 7 & 10.

[@MarineBiker]

I carry the CD165 in my PX4 Beretta, plenty of punch. Great review man

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@DannyRay1065]

No interest in 40 or 45 but since it’s a tools & targets video I’ll watch it..always an interesting & honest review