The "Current Year" Phenomenon

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[@JLujan4492]

1995: Why don't you support women being scantily clad? *It's current year* 2005: Why do you want women to be scantily clad? *It's current year* 2015: Why don't you support women being scantily clad? *It's current year* 2025: Why do you want women to be scantily clad? *It's current year*

[@Hanakowasright]

I support it but I should be able to look without being harrassed since their letting it all hang out

[@cs8712]

The worst thing is a single "progressive" using both arguments in the same day

[@ReturnOfHeresy]

@@cs8712 It's 2015, I think we've moved beyond that evil right wing puritannical nonsense that women can't be strong independent sexy creatures, and because it's 2015 and we're better than that evil white male gaze with excessive beauty standards.

[@Hanakowasright]

@@cs8712 Its like those gym girls that go dressed in form fitting clothing and look for men to harrass over looking at them or talking to them and post it online

[@Remake5182]

It is not 2025 yet.

[@Pers0n97]

The "current years" is the proof that the progressive slippery slope isn't a fallacy, it's a stated goal.

[@MasterSwo-MK]

Well DUH!

[@TheLastSoundNL]

That's why it's called normalization, not a slippery slope. Introduce new better standard, when people are acclimated to it then change it further to an even better one, even though it clearly begs the question if it even is better, advocated for by activists. It's the intentional progressive ever march onward. The idea that history in general and societies move ever onward. That it doesn't ever take a step backwards. slippery slope is the idea of unintentional consequences. slippery slope is still a fallacy, normalization is not, and people should use instead when describing this concept, avoiding (or trying to) the fallacy accusation.

[@Fu-jb9dt]

​@@TheLastSoundNLyou explained slippery slope then claimed its wrong

[@miketheodd2972]

He is far more accurate when he says normalization then slippery slope because you can take a action and have it not snowball down the hill

[@theywouldnthavetocensormei9231]

"Slippery slope fallacy" doesn't mean there's no such thing as a slippery slope, it just means it's an overused and often flawed means of argumentation. But the irony is that the more common fallacy these days is to dismiss a slippery slope argument as a fallacy without actually explaining the flaw in logic.

[@InfamyOrDeath-__-]

I’m so sick of all this “current year”, “modern audiences”, “wrong side of history” drek from all these people.

[@theywouldnthavetocensormei9231]

"Empathy", "human rights", "equality", it's all so exhausting. They must get exhausted just from listening to their own mouth farts.

[@MillywiggZ]

The amazing thing is that it isn’t true either. The curren market is diverse in race and gender, ready to watch kids shows and video nasties, fine with personal dramas and mindless action shows, wants to watch something in English and something with subtitles, something that looks amazingly real and something that looks like it was rendered on a Playstation… so long as the plot is good. etc. This “current audience” they think exists doesn’t. Because all these properties are dying chasing the gold at the end of the rainbow. I think what they mean is “the audience you will be” as if their media is a boot camp making ideological soldiers.

[@TheGayestPersononYouTube]

@@MillywiggZagreed. “If you weren’t such a terrible person, you’d enjoy our content-slop”

[@gammasmash1924]

​@@TheGayestPersononKZbinAnd if you weren't such a terrible person you wouldn't point that out. 🤣😂🤣

[@theywouldnthavetocensormei9231]

@@TheGayestPersononKZbin it's really not unlike 1st graders, saying the other kids have cooties. That's basically what progressive brow beating is, it's telling everyone they have cooties if they don't support the current thing.

[@ZontarDow]

Women voting is so 1921, it's current year it's time for old, bad ideas like that to be abandoned.

[@Theevil6ify]

'Member 1921 Berlin? All the libertine Bohemian acceptance of drug use and homosexuality? A certain Austrian painter saw all that unfold and then "progressed" the whole country past all that old world nonsense by the 1930s. He was just housekeeping for the Current Year, guys

[@theywouldnthavetocensormei9231]

On a long enough timeline, the progressive communist becomes the reactionary fascist.

[@priapulida]

@@Theevil6ify and just like today, the more "progressive" it got, the more women voted

[@DarkMark-cf1ec]

And you can't call this sexist. Women promised to go get drafted for voting rights but they never did get drafted. Literally an extra right over men. 1st class citizens

[@corenlavolpe6143]

I'll happily give up my vote if it meant no taxes. I'm not being represented anymore so I'm not beholden to taxation 🫡🇺🇲

[@gregutz4284]

"I couldnt care less about Donalll Trump" The irony

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

I mean, there's nothing ironic. He was 100% consistent. He didn't care about him in 2015, so he could start in 2016.

[@matthewatwood8641]

He f****** loves Trump.

[@dandelo4666]

@@ChucksSEADnDEAD it's still ironic that he would go on to obsessively care about trump. He was consistent, it was ironic.

[@Remake5182]

He gave a shit past 2015.

[@gregutz4284]

​@@dandelo4666yeep

[@MrGrumblier]

I voted for Trudeau in 2015 because he promised to reform the First Past the Post system we currently employ for our elections. Of course, as soon as he realized he would have lost under any other system, he immediately declared that no one really wanted election reform.

[@SakuraAvalon]

Good ol' politicians.

[@randomdeliveryguy]

Lmao you got memed, my friend.

[@mrshmuga9]

Well… at least that’s a better reason than most voted.

[@CoryTheRaven]

But he did send out those postcards where you could go do an online quiz about your "democratic style" or whateverthef**k!

[@filthy_peasant_the_one2134]

That’s on you bud, now thank your commie overlord

[@MrSTVR]

Art doesn't "age poorly." People do.

[@MajkaSrajka]

Everything you thought was cool when you were 12 is what is actually cool 😎

[@potatortheomnipotentspud]

​@@MajkaSrajka The skibidi Ohio fanum tax rizzler brainrot is not and never will be cool though.

[@adamperdue3178]

I don't know, a painting of 'what will NYC look like in 2020' made in 2000, including the twin towers, would have aged very poorly.

[@Jobocan.]

@@adamperdue3178 Would it?

[@adamperdue3178]

@@Jobocan.I mean, it'd be funny. But the art wouldn't serve its original purpose.

[@prg_astro]

really Dev? A "current year" video in 2023? COME ON IT'S 2023

[@MrDj232]

For half a month. This will be completely outdated in only 2 weeks.

[@yaboiportch]

Really, SpacePreguica? A "COME ON IT'S 2024" comment in 2023? IT'S ALMOST 2024

[@fduranthesee]

@@yaboiportch WHY TALK ABOUT 2024 WHEN IT IS STILL 2023 GET WITH THA TIMEZ

[@saisameer8771]

Almost 2024 ya fat phobic zionist.

[@serberus5233]

2023 was sooo last year, it's current year!!

[@Thomas-rv1wi]

The current year means literally nothing. It is a fucking buzzword used to shut down nuanced discussion of the issue.

[@priapulida]

It's a "thought-terminating cliché"

[@harambae7014]

It's shorthand for "I don't have a reasoned, logical basis for my beliefs, I simply float whichever way the wind blows and defer the intellectual work to others".

[@Wyzai]

you mean like everything these people say?

[@kaleviHekonen9527]

We shouldn't censor anime titties. It is the current year. Come on, guys. 😤😤

[@Digger_TN]

"We shouldn't cover women up. Come on, it's the early 2010s!" It took them less than 10 years to completely invert their positions.

[@IamaCosmonaut]

@Digger_TN More like 5 years.

[@ExpertContrarian]

@@Digger_TN they never inverted their positions. They’ve always held these contradictory beliefs at the same time. They support women dressing like complete 304s but then if a man creates a fictional character dressed like those same 304s it’s a problem. It’s just misandry.

[@ffff7164]

@@ExpertContrarianThey hate any art that doesn’t use the “inclusive” corporate art style.

[@TMHLBPFan]

​@@ffff7164ESG as we call it

[@blackosprey2219]

It's the perfect shifting goal line. If you want infinite progression, justify any change you desire by saying time progresses.

[@theywouldnthavetocensormei9231]

That's why they call themselves progressives in the first place, it's wordplay to manipulate stupid people. Everyone is progressing towards something, it's impossible not to progress, that's just how time works. By calling themselves progressives, they're trying to imply that they're the only ones progressing in the correct direction. It's obviously bullshit, to anyone with basic critical thinking skills, but they're not talking to people with basic critical thinking skills.

[@roymarshall_]

I'd be happy with infinite progress, but I think progressives are so self-righteous they aren't aware that most of the time they are just recycling old (failed) ideologies. They are a different form of conservative. Or they're just directly conservative, like getting upset at sexual content and demanding that the women cover up more.

[@priapulida]

How do they reconcile this with their narrative that time and the calendar are wh. supr., patri-blabla-normative tools of oppression?

[@PrincessTidge]

It's [Current Year] and still no Trucker video

[@corenlavolpe6143]

It better deliver or I will be unreasonably disappointed lol

[@Sportnugget]

Truly an evergreen comment

[@redline1916]

He's too afraid to have his bank account shut down

[@Achonas]

@@CatisFinetoo it is [current date] and the trucker video still isn't out. now my comment is never out of date.

[@Jean-ClaudeGodDamn]

" One day! "

[@YouMissedBro]

John Oliver 2015: "I couldnt care about Trump" John Oliver 2023: "All i do is make money crying about Trump!" How time flies...

[@TheMelnTeam]

As a kid, I was annoyed by puritans trying to control my life w/o coherent reasons. As an adult, I am annoyed by puritans trying to control my life w/o coherent reasons.

[@arandompasserby7940]

The sad thing is, 20 years ago, it was the religious right at the forefront of puritanical censorship But in "the current year", it's the progressive left who are carrying on those same tenets. And the worst part is that there are far less people willing to make things that buck the trends against them than 20 years ago.

[@Willie_Pete_Was_Here]

It’s what happens when you have principles you stick to

[@Fractal_blip]

Lol

[@0fuxGiven]

Progressivism appears to be about *velocity* in the direction of the net summation of their ideals in the moment, but is more about the *acceleration* in that direction. It is how over correction happens, and it also means that the rate of change itself is increasing. Despite the video and common understanding alluding to "current year", AZ stumbled upon something even more correct by saying current day. Progress's rate of change has increased so much, even within the same year, moral expectations even at the start of the same year seem archaic.

[@butters45]

you're a member? gay

[@jacksonguillory8114]

​@@stigmaoftheroseas a South park fan I actually laughed

[@Lutharoian]

Well said

[@wusuosaltchannel4922]

Funny you mention velocity. There was an ideology a hundred years ago focused on the same thing: *Futurism* - the seed for all fascist regimes in the 20th century 👌

[@Cloudaddy220]

Progressive=Progressively worse

[@michaelmemory6938]

“They may even stop being progressive.” So they get older and get more conservative once reality sets in more heavily. Funny that.

[@RaifSeverence]

That's USUALLY how it is for everyone. People tend to be very liberal when they're young because you have nothing to your name and the premise of getting free shit from others who've spent they're lives accruing things, is enticing. But once you get older, and start accruing things yourself, you want to be the one to decide what to do with those things and you will do whatever you can to hold onto those things (this assumes everything you have, you accrued through honest means, and not grifting. Grifters ALWAYS need to grift to remain afloat afterall) It's why older people trend conservative. They're trying to keep the things they've spend they're lives acquiring to pass on to their next of kin.

[@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts]

In formerly Communist China, the few, old, actual commies are the conservatives. The same is true in former Soviet Russia, but they also have different kinds of conservative, and edgey non conservative nationalists, so its more confusing.

[@GomulDart]

dude. If you aren't a communist, socialist, or anarchist; and if you aren't a blatant fascist: You're a liberal. Please for the love of god learn this distinction. You people make yourselves look so stupid conflating progs/commies/socialists etc with LIBERALISM. "Conservatives" ARE STILL LIBERALS. If you honestly believe liberalism and conservatism are divorced from one another and conservatives *aren't* liberals; then what exactly do you think they are?.@@RaifSeverence

[@percyblok6014]

Censorship, in my lifetime, has usually always come from the left. Tipper stickers are a prime example. There was the Satanic Panic of the 80's, religious right spearheaded for the most part. Then came the actual censorship lead by the left Karens in coalition with the religious right. At the end of the day, the left is doing most of the oppression in our society in the past 60 years

[@Cornflakes-sr3nq]

@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts I've used this point often, especially when I see folks citing Burke (a Whig). Conservatism is necessarily contextual and not really inherently ideological.

[@lainiwakura1776]

This is funny because I believe we were more inclusive in the 90s because the message of judging people by their character was so strong then.

[@HolographicThoughts]

Everyone becoming hyper-aware of their group membership from social media makes it increasingly hard to just see people as humans as it was previously. Everyone is blasted with their intersectional position these days.

[@gabrielarchange4680]

These words doesn't mean what they meant anymore.

[@Willie_Pete_Was_Here]

Even the mid-2000s. You can’t say that western culture isn’t better today than it was 20 years ago.

[@simonpetrikov3992]

@@Willie_Pete_Was_Here honestly 2004 was better than 2024 in most aspects not all though

[@Slick_Tails]

The most frustrating part of this phenomenon is that after people shout others down with forthright conviction, telling them they're stuck in the dark ages and that this new, current year ideology is the correct one... And then 10+ years down the line when this ideology is considered problematic, any attempts to call out this behaviour falls on deaf ears. "It was a different time back then. I was young. Why are you being so petty?" So get up on your soapbox and turn on the spotlight, speak with the utmost conviction, then in 10 years time berate the very people who believed what you said because they didn't change their opinions at the exact time you did which makes them bad, and they're NOT allowed to call you out on what you _used_ to say. Now you've got a new soapbox with new followers, and the cycle starts all over again. Ah... Brilliant.

[@chuchu5946]

It’s just purity spiral and the new audiences will keep getting smaller. Then course correction will happen like the Korean president going against feminism and Argentinian electing their current president.

[@BlueIron64]

Could you please give a few examples of issues where this is happening? Just curious

[@ffff7164]

@@BlueIron64 Stalin purged Trotsky. Hitler purged Strasser. Mao purged Liu Shaoqi.

[@chuchu5946]

@@BlueIron64 2016 - Feminism is the hot new thing and female right is the most important. Trust all woman and all that. 2023 - Trans women started to test the limits of their activism. Then you got Riley Gaines being assaulted, JK Rowling getting fed up, and women being called “birthing person” cuz the term “woman” has no meaning now. All this happened in 7 years.

[@harpiessnow]

​​@@chuchu5946Oi, but ets 2024 now ya git. Obviusly, illegale imgrates r mor empotent. Trains pepple needa take a stan bak ta suppurt dem illegale imgrates. Hu evan cars aboot trains pepple in da currant ear?

[@detectivemuffler8083]

Every time someone tells me “wrong side of history” or some other bullshit, it angers me so much. It’s ego and narcissism concentrated into four words.

[@theguybehindyou4762]

Next time someone says that, remind them that history isn't over yet.

[@Aleks251]

Gives me the same vibe as "I always join the winning side" does

[@theluminousone5883]

"ahh yes, because everyone is going to remember you and how you doxxed someone who you disagreed with."

[@MALICEM12]

The irony is that the left are beyond the hill, the right is on the ascent.

[@theguybehindyou4762]

@@MALICEM12 But they're too delusional to realize that and will fight tooth and nail to retain power. This means there will be armed conflict with them in the near future. ...which is fine with me...

[@ECartmanist]

Movieblob's ideology is genuinely based around people who called him gay in school and Sci-fi movies.

[@WickerMahn]

I know what you meant but I initially read your comment with the notion that someone made a sci-fi movie to call Bob gay

[@mattd5240]

Someone should.

[@potatortheomnipotentspud]

​@@WickerMahnSomeone should go do that so he can mald at it

[@crintraian]

Wasn't he?

[@mostverticalproductions4808]

​@@WickerMahn Gay Fatman From Outer Space, 1992.

[@verindictus3639]

I believe C.S. Lewis referred to this as "chronological snobbery".

[@xhesil8848]

My Current Year + 8 take: The "It's 2015" clip from John Oliver is not just a foolish and arrogant assumption that the past should play by current year rules, it's also a willful lack of foresight into how the future can and will unfold. It's a view that the people of the past need to suffer the consequences of slighting my modern sensibilities, but, when I'm in the past, nobody can judge me for failing to keep to their standards, because I am a product of my own times. It's moral grandstanding and an excuse in a neat little hypocritical breath.

[@xhesil8848]

Also, sidebar, as a joke, I use dates referring to March of 2020 as the month that never ended because of how "15 days to slow the spread" turned into 2 years and the consequences and changes are still here, on March 1383, 2020. I did this with May of 2020 as well, because the aftermath of the George Floyd riots and the mostly peaceful arson from the "Summer of Love", which is unaddressed still here on May 1322, 2020. I'm still hearing about January 6th on as late as January 1077, 2021.

[@Darth_Conans]

It's just a particular leftist brand of End of History Thinking. People blame Fukuyama for bringing the idea back in 1989 but it's been around since the 19th century. Some kind of childish eternal present paradise that's actually a treadmill of authoritarian progressivism.

[@user-uh3sf3mv9d]

You lionize the 90s, and I agree it was way better than now, but I remember watching a show back in 1990 (some sitcom) where a female character kept saying "it's the 90s" as an answer as to why she was doing something. My friends and I made fun of it and would answer questions in the same way at school. I think the show was also being kind of tongue and cheek, but I was very young back then, so don't know for sure. Either way, we got a laugh back then too.

[@ClarenceJBoddicker1987]

I am 95 percent sure that happened on Urkel with the Grandmother.

[@user-uh3sf3mv9d]

@@ClarenceJBoddicker1987 Thanks. I remember making fun of it, but couldn't recall where it was from.

[@MrCovi2955]

The "current year" argument is often used by people who have never thought about why they support whatever the latest trend in the bubble is, to explain to critics why they support the latest trend in their bubble without having to critically think or introspect. "Why do you support men in women's sports?" "Because it's current year". It is essentially an appeal to the crowd. Everyone around them says "duh, this is obviously progress" and they assume smarter minds have thought it out

[@JodyBruchon]

It's the Miss America saying she hopes for world peace trope from the 80s and 90s. No thought goes into it, it's pure mindless trendy virtue signaling.

[@hope-cat4894]

It's the political equivalent of saying, "Everybody's doing it!" or "But everyone's gonna be there!"

[@Florkl]

It’s hit a point where morality is basically a fashion trend. It makes you look good, but only if you can identify and express it before it’s too late

[@salvatoremaglione6398]

"Because I want to fit in"

[@alecperdeau650]

The thing that is most sickening about current year thinking is that it leaves no foundations. Nothing is allowed to build up or grow organically because it's automatically deemed problematic one year later.

[@theguybehindyou4762]

“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.” -Orwell's 1984

[@alecperdeau650]

​@@theguybehindyou4762 Orwell was a fucking prophet

[@simonpetrikov3992]

Or even 5 years later that’s why progress for the sake of progress is always a disastrous one

[@slashbash1347]

Whenever someone says something like, "Why is this happening in 2023," I ask, "What's so special about 2023?"

[@ImTakingYouToFlavorTown]

I recall a conversation from KOTOR where a guy says that everyone always thinks that their time is the most important one and that if they don't fix things right now then everything will be doomed. But often there is an ebb and flow, empires rise and fall, sometimes the bad guys win, but the good guys eventually come back.

[@rmw9420]

@@ImTakingYouToFlavorTownbased kotor fan

[@MajkaSrajka]

Whats so special about 2023? Its the current year! The most futuristic of them all!

[@Remake5182]

Why is this still going on? EDIT: That is what is being asked.

[@DLH112]

when people respond like this are they just being snarky/sarcastic? or do they genuinely not understand the concept of precedents and time?

[@ReturnOfHeresy]

Trudeau saying "it's 2015" is especially wild because everyone cheers. EDIT: at 4:46

[@saerain]

"Nine. Eleven." - Lois Griffin

[@juuchanIRL]

i would cheer too if we went back to 2015 and things were better

[@MajkaSrajka]

Ironic, considering in the even nextest current year Trump got elected lol

[@SeekerofDankness]

The comic of the girl watching old 90's movies and saying the 90's sucked because ideals is the most pretentious, fart huffing comic I've seen in a while.

[@CrazyJabberwock]

originally I laughed because I assumed it had to be satire, a joke about those people ruining their own nostalgia, learning it wasn't a joke and we're intended to agree with her was tragic. then I laughed even harder.

[@shcdemolisher]

“Oh wait you’re serious? Let me laugh harder.”@@CrazyJabberwock

[@Amsel_616]

​@@CrazyJabberwocki always change "The 90's suck" to the IGN quote "Sonic was never good" because is so much funnier and will probably happen eventually

[@MillywiggZ]

Dev, close the circle. If you name Yong you bring him into this realm. You have to say “Yonnnnnnnng out” to send him back. It may already be too late…

[@superplayerex2431]

I don't know about that... YongYea drinks far too much soylent for anyone to be realistically scared of him. Besides, I think Dev is too big for Yong to take him out, so if anything, the latter would probably be far more scared of the former.

[@bishopspechulure9821]

​@@superplayerex2431he was making a joke lmao

[@ThechronocrosserII]

this one streamer said "Schloooooong out" and now it stays with me every time I see Yong Yea LMAO

[@anotherguttersnipe2]

@@superplayerex2431 The fight would be worth the weight.

[@vegeta_69420]

@@superplayerex2431who tf is yong and why is dev battling him to the death?

[@ChemistWeb]

The more I read through history, the more firmly I believe it was always about it being an appeal to the notion that “progress” is objectively good rather than the nuance people used to grant it.

[@jonnycoyote2782]

I hate it when people/ companies “ Modernizing” their games/ art I find stuff like that will age like milk and become sour in a month

[@HolographicThoughts]

When we're finally past this point, I hope more progressives will realize that representation on the big screen in the modern era was due to a business model capitalizing on trend chasing and had little to do with making a difference.

[@xEXABYTEx]

"nothing can be left alone it must be changed!" - i remember when we used to mock people for this so they never could

[@slashbash1347]

One of the weirdest ones I heard was, "It's 2023. Everyone knows what a White Claw is." As if knowledge of White Claw was required for the current year.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

Plus weren't White Claws a meme in 2019/2020? Then Twisted Tea was the meme in 2021 when someone got shwacked in the face with a can.

[@halowars400762]

What the hell's a White claw?

[@TotalWannabe]

​@@halowars400762energy drink, I presume

[@SirDankington]

Isn't white claws those things Brandon Herrera shoots at?

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

@@halowars400762 hard seltzer

[@zerocool5395]

Whenever someone tells me im being racist or homophobic, i tell them "Nah homie, I'm just living in the 90's"

[@mathis8210]

The current year "reasoning" is just "Because my bubble says so now!" Its a pure appeal to the morals of the time, not even trying to make an actual argument.

[@crazywolf68]

As someone watching this in 2025 I can verify that nothing has changed. Dev still hasn’t released the trucker video.

[@Lonovavir]

I'm watching this in 1927. I sure hope the stock market isn't a flimflam, I just got made some serious money betting on the bang tails.

[@Jean-ClaudeGodDamn]

" One day! "

[@Thereal78lo]

Presentism, judging the past on values of the present, actually was taught this in 2012 at college history.

[@priapulida]

what does non-presentist progressivism even look like? longtermism comes to mind..

[@mrshmuga9]

@@priapulidaNon-present progressivism sounds like an oxymoron, because progressives never consider how their actions could/would affect the future.

[@LawofImprobability-2]

And I heard it in high school in the 2000s. The notion that things are justified merely by time changing is potentially a result of the conflation between "progress as change" and "progress as improvement".

[@ProxyDoug]

The ending of this video can be summed up as “nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right”

[@AngusMcIntyre]

Let's not pretend that this instance of self censorship is anything other than fear.

[@GreyhawkTheAngry]

Indeed.

[@MegaDeathRay10]

Self-loathing maybe

[@jean-sebastienmatte2358]

Now I need to watch this video in 2025 to reflect on how free we were in 2023.

[@Remake5182]

Good luck. 18 days from now it will be 2024

[@Hyperwav3]

I hated this stuff since 2011 and I am glad to see it live down as an infamous phrase

[@makutas-v261]

Well I hated YOU since 2011

[@thedarkmasterthedarkmaster]

I love how they always say it's a slippery slope yet it keeps happening Also Az did nothing wrong except record a funny rant

[@Danielss250]

At the time I though he just kinda lost his patience, since I don't know Az and don't follow his content, but it seems that he wasn't that bothered by it and was more so just acting it up for entertainment value. Now I don't necessarily agree, but I don't make a living as an entertainer. And besides as you said, it was pretty funny.

[@Digger_TN]

Right. I was bothered by the fact that 200 years into the future, they're still using points from early 2020s ideological discourse. I never watched AZ myself, but the reaction to his rant made me stop watching some YT channels.

[@thedarkmasterthedarkmaster]

@@Digger_TN Yeah it's so dumb

[@FunkBastid]

To be fair to Eddie Murphy, the national context/knowledge around AIDS was very different in 1996 vs. 1981. I wouldn’t say that’s a current year statement.

[@simonpetrikov3992]

Yeah 15 years is enough to know a lot of a certain subject

[@mhomer89]

Notice that it only works in one direction; If the world around them moves even slightly rightward, suddenly the current (right-wing) thing is bad and we need to Resist(tm) and go back.

[@frohawkmaster]

Current year is slang for "Distractions from SFO explaining why he thought the truckers werent actually cool."

[@dreamcream3738]

​@@nikoclesceri2267 because he can't find any way to say that the truckers were unjustified

[@kaminsod4077]

There's gonna be dudes in retirement homes 50 years from now still asking Dev where the Truckers video is.

[@wtice4632]

Dev just cant just understand people who actually work real jobs for a living

[@corenlavolpe6143]

Was there something he did or said that implied he was against the truckers or are you just jumping to conclusions based on your perception of his political leanings? Like I also anticipate he's gonna be less charitable to them than I personally would be, but it's not even out yet you pillocks. Sperg out then.

[@Hyperwav3]

​​@@dreamcream3738 Nobody can justify that without sounding like a government bootlicker or a demoralized individual who thinks protests are worthless and nobody should ever try to resist because they're small the other side is big Yada Yada

[@MMDelta9]

For the progressive, life is a never changing, never growing, ceaseless grey sludge of a current moment. The past is forgotten and the future is ignore. All that ever exists is an eternal "now."

[@conloneaddy2932]

Literally the “endless now” from Xenoblade 3.

[@pong9000]

The current year is 1984.

[@UnderTheIceburg]

The funny thing about "current year" is the implication that we'll never go back to "previous year" even though "current year" is literally the same as "previous year." Like sexual censorship is nothing new, even the "greater good" and "protection of women" justifications aren't different. You might say the people are different, because back then it was religious nutjobs and it's now woke nutjobs but they both pray at the altar of an ideology that they follow uncritically. So I just wonder, in ~2030 when it becomes culturally acceptable to sexualize women again, are they going to bring back the old designs?

[@0fuxGiven]

not mentioned in the video but it made me think: does the expression "the bad old days," a reframing of "the good old days," bother anyone like it bothers me? the very first time i heard it i cringed. even if things were more difficult then people got a greater sense of accomplishment by overcoming

[@howardmurphy8019]

Yeah, as if every day before yesterday was the dark ages and simply nothing good ever happened before, let alone at the same time as awful but normal things.

[@LawofImprobability-2]

It didn't bother me because it was the way people around me (in Eastern Europe) referred to the Communist era (still less than a generation out). It was a determined effort to not let nostalgia for one's youth blind people to the horrors of what went on.

[@nathankuszewski4579]

A good thing happiness was invented in the 90s​@@howardmurphy8019

[@Kaff_Kesk]

Mentiswave did a similar video about instant gratification leading to degeneracy. Fits with this one. Maybe I'm recieving a divine message

[@superplayerex2431]

Glad to know I'm not the only one here who also watches Mentis. A discussion between both him and Dev would be incredibly interesting to see someday.

[@sandyjourneys]

⁠@@superplayerex2431same but I decided to stop watching dev.

[@bioweapon4425]

Az’s rant was one of my favourite KZbinr moments this year. When he screams how boring they all are I was right there with him.

[@kristofgriffin384]

I personally hate "current year" and would rather go back to the simpler times of the 2000's, and even early to mid 2010's.

[@chadmrrsn]

Same

[@simonpetrikov3992]

Honestly 2014 seems rather peaceful compared to now

[@ReturnOfHeresy]

"They've replaced a continuum... with a single moment centered on them." Really highlights the narcissism of current year 0 thinking.

[@an-animal-lover]

Where is this quote from? It seems familiar

[@nicholasgogel5606]

I remember when the ‘C’mon it’s common year’ bullshit was just ironic satire about using dead/overused talking points & memes. Now people take it litterally for gaslighting.

[@gregmita]

G. K. Chesterton put it best - If a murderer comes to your house to kill you, and you ask, while begging for your life, "why are you doing this?", and the murderer answers "Isn't it obvious? It's Thursday, not Wednesday!" At that point, you'll rightly conclude that he is a madman.

[@ImTakingYouToFlavorTown]

In the opening to PlagueOfGripes video on villains he has a great little speech about this. Condemning the people of yesterday for not being the people of today, where they may have needed to make a hard choice so you, the modern man, doesn't anymore.

[@doublef7968]

Hearing all the points its pretty interesting. Because it reminds me of the fact that usually, when progresive start losing an argument they say their oponents don't have any argument; similarly to the idea of negating the facts of history but without them. This makes me think that maybe thats part of their really psycologicla process. Because the think their morality si so pure, that any argument that disolves their ideas, is not an argument but a lie causing them to reject not the idea but the concept that logic against them os ilogical.

[@___-___-___-___-]

"I think america should have universal healthcare" no thank you, no suicide boxes please.

[@ironraccoon3536]

Ah, the old 'what is progress' question. Time to pull out the Thomas Sowell quote: "There are no solutions, only tradeoffs."

[@chibu3212]

I’m using this going forward

[@Deadman6]

These people talk about the mid-2010 as though Sarkisian, Quinn and Wu weren’t at the peak of their Notoriety in gaming.

[@name-vi6fs]

I 100% agree with Az from heelvsbabyface. People 50 years from now are going to ask "WTF is non-binary? Why are people referring to that person as 'they'?" If they consume a lot of media from 2020-202* they're also going to wonder why gay and trans people are so overrepresented. 3-5%/.01% of the population? Lets put them in every other show.

[@BlueIron64]

Nah I think people in the 2070s are going to be too busy dealing with the actual issues caused by wealth disparity, disinvestment in public services, climate change, and mass migration to give a shit about petty stuff like that

[@name-vi6fs]

@@BlueIron64 they don't care about those serious issues now, so what makes you think the average person will care then when they're living in the stacks?

[@martymcfly88mph35]

​@@BlueIron64no. We will defeat those bad ideas by then.

[@Xo-3130]

​@@BlueIron64you forgot population decline that hitting the globe right now.

[@DarkKnightCuron]

I feel like Dev supporting universal Healthcare in America is just a troll to rile people up. It wouldn't work well here in America. It's a disaster in Canada and the UK, so I'd rather avoid that.

[@makutas-v261]

Protestantism

[@sandyjourneys]

He seems serious about this belief not only has he been consistent about it but also he has bias for this free healthcare system due to it saving his sisters life apparently.

[@turdferguson9356]

the future isn't always progress, the past isn't always regress

[@MrLolguy93]

I just love how their phrases and insults are always coming back to bite them in the rear

[@MachineMan-mj4gj]

It's because these are high time preference people, i.e. Low- IQ "Now now now" types who cannot think more than eighteen hours into the future.

[@yojimarusilverfang]

And then they always flip it around like it was their political opponents who invented the term in the first place. Happened with SJW and Woke.

[@ciledog]

The moral arbiters of today are persecuted tomorrow. The gavel simply changes hands.

[@ProfDragonite]

There's a character I'm reminded of named Kamen Rider Eden, who is referred to as "The Creator Who Charges Forward, Believing in Paradise." He's also a VILLAIN, who forces people into his virtual reality without consent, all for a woman who spurned him because he became a villain. Fictional? Perhaps. I prefer to think of it as "inspired by current events".

[@Amsel_616]

Sounds like the final boss of Persona 5 Royal.

[@ProfDragonite]

@@Amsel_616 Oh yeah!

[@dathore]

Here's a reason why a country the size of the USA can't have universal healthcare, they'd have to implement mandatory health standards and work outs to avoid having the whole system crashing in a day, the population is so big and so out of shape, that having a system like that, would effectively break in less than a week, and I can bet a million dollars, that all those "inclusivity" activists would rail against it, for trying to marginalize fat people, and before anyone says anything, I'm fat too, so I can talk about this without care :P

[@gregtaylor9806]

Totally agree

[@superplayerex2431]

I wonder if it's at all possible to somehow slowly shift towards universal healthcare in the US. There's no way in hell it would go over well if it was just shoved into the country all at once.

[@superplayerex2431]

@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 True, I'm personally not at all a fan of universal healthcare. As someone who was born and lived his entire life in a country that has it, it's not great at all. The doctors are often not very good at their jobs and they tend to misdiagnose or give wrong medicine as well as wrong amounts of it. It's especially bad if the doctors in question are young and inexperienced. That's also without mentioning the fact that you often have to endure very long lines of people waiting for their turns to go inside the doctor's office just to get an appointment with one. And if you have a personal doctor who you go to regularly to be prescribed medicine, then you better pray that they don't go on a vacation at the worst moment, because chances are that that doctor might not have a replacement at all and you'll be forced to wait 'till they're back. Anyway, I was throwing the "I wonder if it's at all possible to somehow slowly shift towards universal healthcare in the US" comment out purely out of interest in how that could ever be possible. People are really quick to say how great it would be to have it that they never talk about how it could ever be forced onto the entire country without causing massive complications.

[@tepafray]

"it's not just maturing, if it were they'd be able to see what's going on here. More objectively it's the belief that the mentioned March of progress also includes them on a personal level" A rule for living I learned as I got older: Never let yourself be convinced you're the hero of the story.

[@johndoetheaveragejoe1476]

15:26 ”I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was. Now what I'm with isn't it, and what's it seems weird and scary to me, and it'll happen to you, too” -Abe Simpson

[@Pillarofcreation1]

I believe that 1996 was the peak of progressive morality. Or at least that in 1996 progressivism had a much more positive and useful belief structure than it does now.

[@lainiwakura1776]

@@Hyperwav3 This isn't 4chan, there are always good parts.

[@theywouldnthavetocensormei9231]

Nah, nothing good has ever come from modern progressivism. True progress comes naturally, when something about technology or our way of life fundamentally changes, and our views around it change accordingly. Slavery didn't end because it was "immoral", it ended because industrialization allowed for it to end.

[@aazendude]

In 1996, I was 7. And my progressive, downstate NY, elementary school teachers taught me to treat everyone equally as a human being, not to judge a book by its cover, and to always ask questions. Nowadays, progressives believe in discrimination based on innate characteristics and especially their appearance and to not question the narrative.

[@Pillarofcreation1]

@@aazendude That's exactly what I was getting at.

[@Wr41thgu4rd]

Slavery did not end, It only ended in certain places.@@theywouldnthavetocensormei9231

[@reviewspiteras]

Movie bob crying about not being able to leave his fat body for a robotic one is so funny. His brain was fried by science fiction no doubt about it

[@Touma134]

Machines known as workout equipment is all he needs

[@literofcretin]

Diabeto would thrive in the world of SOMA

[@Treblaine]

I think one reason 2015 is considered an archetypal "future year" is Back to the Future part II.

[@Dr.Metalblood]

I love how these people appoint themselves as the arbiters of morality, and that we all should agree like a hive mind.

[@chickenchaser9783]

13:25 China has universal healthcare. If you mean everyone has to universally pay for their own healthcare then yeah they have it.

[@damiendarko9411]

Remember when 2017 was “Current Year plus two”? Better times 🥲

[@typhonviserys8288]

"Wait, why are we invading Poland?" "Because it's 1939!" - Two German Progressives, Definitely

[@Willie_Pete_Was_Here]

“It’s not invasion, it’s lebensraum. Educate yourself.”

[@PaulvonOberstein]

It's the Year 2015+8! I mean, c'mon!!!

[@Jason_Black]

Trudeau could've said a hundred different things to fortify his position, that most people would've agreed with. _"Half of Canada are women, maybe half the people representing Canada should be women?"_ Fine? Argue with that, and listen to how you sound. _"Because it's 2015."_ Is the absence of an answer from someone who doesn't have a good reason for doing something. He continues to say he's proud to highlight some of the people Canada elected, but leaves us with the strong impression that there is not a good answer to a question that, if he believed in what he was doing, would've been an opportunity to make a statement. _"Why wouldn't I?"_ _"Do I need to answer that?"_ _"Because I believe they're the right people for this job."_ _"Examples of equality need to start at the top."_ Or _whatever._ *Everyone* should see through how tawdry and insincere performative activism is. Especially, people who care about Social Justice.

[@MahDryBread]

18:23 Movie Bob's twitter just getting mentioned made me laugh out loud. I don't know what that says about me or Bob.

[@Florkl]

It’s like the opposite of the argument from tradition, yet equally fallacious. “Do progressive thing because Progression is good” is the same as “Do traditional thing because Tradition is good.” It’s circular reasoning. There may well be good reasons to do something new or keep doing something old. They are the reasons you should use, and any absence is itself telling.

[@dustypirate28]

Dev, after Shoe’s recent vid, you might have to bring the dog pill talk back based on a few of the posted L’s she covered. Also, you’ve dug up cringe memories of mine from Yong from this vid. He had some of the most embarrassing interviews for MGSV around release, including the one you posted. IMO, the Horan one was worse due to the sheer nerdy fanboying and repeated questioning when he didn’t have an answer. He and his pals couldn’t adapt their interview based on previous responses.

[@WhenDidYouTubeAddThisFeature]

So long story short: "Eww that's sooooo last year, catch up like, immediately"

[@Mathmachine]

Complaining about "current year" arguments is sooooooooo [current year].

[@triskets3411]

Dev stating that Eddie Murphy was using a "Current Year" argument for the jokes at 9:00 is the most straw-reaching comparison I've seen from Dev. Its about a medical disease, not a social paradigm. More information, studies, stories of people afflicted with the disease, research, etc., has been done in the 15 year period. Current Year arguments are more towards social science arguments, philosophy, and general political policy than the "harder" sciences. That's the whole point. You use the "current year" to be able to say things should have progressed in philosophical quandaries via the time that has elapsed due to superficial reasons.

[@jlall4467]

“Why are you being anti-Semitic?” Becuase it’s 2023

[@Hynotama]

I’m wondering is the “current year” phenomenon became a thing due to tepid developments in our society. Think about it… in 30 short years, we went from 16 bit consoles to everyone carrying a miniature computer that’s constantly connected to the internet and everyone has the capability to scream their brain rot into the void. Some of those screams are bound to come together and get heard. And so, due to rapid development of technology and also morality, people don’t really have time to adapt or escape their past statements that are now super “problematic”. Add onto that a feeling of nostalgia and it gets even worse.

[@pong9000]

"Current year" focus is one way of warning off that smart-alec history-buff nephew from saying "told you so". Last year my aunt proclaimed with quavering voice she resolutely Stands With Ukraine. Recently she changed her profile pictures to righteously Demand a Pause in Palestine. I haven't the heart to remind her of her litany of regrettable jingo beginning with the invasion of Afghanistan.

[@makutas-v261]

​@@pong9000I suffer with you.

[@ChizuruMinamoto]

What's funny to me is that, they shit on the 90's pretty hard... But the 90's were actually pretty nice. The cold war ended fully, most people didn't give a shit about what you said, and the golden age of gaming came to be. Current year, we're at WW3 getting heated up in the microwave, free speech being essentially dead, and video game companies dropping dogshit after dogshit and wondering why they don't get money back. I dunno, can't convince me the 90's sucked.

[@suluturnip]

Direct SFO quote: “Wall hitting bitches love current year argument.”

[@IHateEveryone]

“Why do we still have buffering? Its 2012!” Paraphrased quote from the smosh movie

[@329link]

I hate the current year crap so much. Humanity hardly "progresses". We're perpetually stuck in the same vicious cycle that goes through a new flavor each decade. You can't give me a single large scale issue that was "solved" that hasn't come back to bite us in the ass in some way or another. It's why I try to encourage most people to focus on their own local or personal problems that actually CAN be changed in a short time by one person. I don't think it's truly impossible to reduce any big issue we have as a whole, I just think the process is completely different from what these people seem to think. This shit isn't one puzzle that can be solved in a handful of moves, it's a horrible situation that can only be improved, never fixed. You want to have a positive effect on the world? Improve yourself, and stop trying to affect more than what's around you. Stop thinking about us all as a single collective being. Times weren't worse or better back in the day, they were different. Some people were better, others worse. All we can really do is try to be the former, and hopefully prevent our friends and family from being the latter.

[@ragnarok7976]

A reasonable person hears "the past was different" and concludes that their subjective moralities can't possibly transcend time and so must alter them to match the past and present. The fools conclude that everyone was simply wrong and that the new must be correct and anything else would be backwards progress. The thing is the fools don't actually believe that because if they did then simply coming up with an argument that touches on the same topics but is more novel should be all that is needed to refute them.

[@S.D.323]

I wouldnt say all ideas that were more popular in the past were necessarily more evil or wrong but a lot of them like slavery corporal punishment and other lovely things definitely were

[@nicklasveva]

Oliver funny man on december 31st of 2015: "Don't care. Trump is irrelevant." Oliver funny man on january 1st of 2016: "OH MY GOD YOU GUYS WE HAVE TO STOP THIS LITERAL FASCISTS NAZI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

[@RaifSeverence]

America SHOULD NOT have universal healthcare. There arent enough people in the workforce making enough money to make it a feasible option.

[@martymcfly88mph35]

Too many illegals

[@khatdubell]

az screaming "ITS CURRENT FUCKING YEAR" will, ironically enough, live on forever.

[@unclaimedusername6608]

"It's the current year" The proper response is "and yet you're STILL complaining about things".

[@conserva-chan2735]

From 2025, can confirm the reason why Dev hasn't released the Trucker Video is due to the RCMP monitoring his every action

[@crintraian]

"Why are you drinking on the wheel?" "Because it's 2023 officer!"

[@evilweevle]

heels vs babyface makes a good point about really rooting a product into a current political or social climate with things like pronouns etc etc. You run a real risk of having said product not age well and also be more likely to be censored or for people to whine and moan about it in the years to come if the political or social climate changes. I remember after i saw Top Gun Maverick thinking that there is nothing that really ties it to a specific period of time (when it was made i mean). If you told someone that didnt know about it that it was made 15 years ago, there is really nothing in there that would be able to clue them in otherwise, Its just a really damn good movie and in another 15 years nobody would be able to look back on it and think what the hell the director/writers were thinking or what were they smoking like i know a lot of things made today will be thought as.

[@user-fw6wj1xs6e]

Egoraptor and Mauriel as examples you can absolutely throw James Gunn into the I was edgy now I'm creative at DC so let me pull this ladder up right quick category.

[@harpiessnow]

People saying they are, "on the right side of history," are the same as people who vehemently claim they are, "a good person." 9/10 they aren't because a good person or a person on the right side of history don't have to shove said proclemation down other's throats.

[@baylordiamond8819]

I love the joke in the 1959 film sleeping beauty when the prince smugly proclaims "you're living on the past this is the 14th century"

[@ThinWhiteAxe]

yessss I love that one 🤣

[@sasi5841]

Similar line exists in witcher 3, geralt says that to Shani

[@noirlavender6409]

2:35 this guy, as childish as he was with his lash out, is without a doubt right. Right now most of the gaming industry is "politics first, story 4th and gameplay 14th if any" they even pay disgusting companies amounts of money they don't even wanna disclose to ensure the game is diverse and politically correct, it's awful.

[@vistagreat9994]

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