A New Era Of Moral Panic

i injected a whole video game once and used a traffic cone to mug a homeless person because online memes have turned me into an alt-righter
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#SixDaysInFallujah #CancelCulture #GamerGate

[@ShortFatOtaku]

turns out i am old

[@MaxTheCat-eh5ts]

Hi old, I’m dad.

[@NTBXP1]

Yes, we are.

[@wert1234576]

You found your expiration stamp?

[@SpartanTrigger]

Same , damn i miss 90s to early 2000s games

[@yesterdaysfool3897]

Aren’t we all

[@FrostLordOni]

“There you are, playing your 1990’s shooter, when suddenly... you’re a murderer. You didn’t ask for this, you didn’t choose this, yet there it is.”

[@robertstan9733]

Lol

[@pumpyronaldrump_4417]

I was playing rage 2, and before I knew it, I had shot up the local shopping centre. It happens

[@jaymills817]

Is that supposed to be a reference to THAT one Extra Credits vid?

[@robertstan9733]

@@jaymills817 i think it is

[@Fenris86]

I played mostly strategy games back then. So I became Cesar instead of a murderer. But then a bunch of guys stabbed me to death. There is no escaping the video game violence.

[@pascoett]

When the postcard was introduced in 1890 it led to an outcry. The language itself could be in jeopardy! Photography was a huge controversy just as cars and railroads.

[@Ancient_4]

Journalism is just people paid to state opinions.

[@Brenhydra]

"The Left may have won the throne, but the peasants no longer swear fealty to it." has to be the best way to summarize modern gaming that I've heard so far.

[@ianmaluk1]

This is why Monarchs without loyal subjects to the kindom they rule tend to be quickly deposed.

[@philagelio336]

The gamers have risen

[@lunamaria8788]

Doesn't matter, they'll just make them. And none of the peasants will stop them.

[@AliRadicali]

Not just gaming. I think it's true of most of the institutions and subcultures attacked by the SJWs. Certainly trust in the media, in academia and in politics has gone down over the last few years.

[@warden-sisyphus5554]

And the throne is beginning to buckle due to the shifting expectations of gamers and the constant damage being done by the ever growing list of ideological restrictions. The peasants know they can keep their heads down until the current ruler succumbs to its self destructive predilections.

[@stephenknizek2651]

What’s interesting is that my grandfather wasn’t upset about me playing Mortal Kombat. Maybe it’s because he actually served in WWII.

[@Original-Yellow]

Rough seas produce skilled sailors.

[@pootis4986]

your grandpa was a true chad

[@kornx10]

There are worse things to worry about.

[@logiwogi8938]

Right? Maybe the reason my father would buy me the new call of duty for christmas every year was because he knew what real war was like.

[@jiggycalzone8585]

He was grateful that you would (probably) never have to see it in real life so whats a few red pixels

[@lordlammi1562]

as a Zoomer teen, it's kind of hard for me to imagine the right being anti-gamer and lefties defending us

[@ShortFatOtaku]

seriously that is how it was, and that is why so many gamers were confused back in 2014 during gamergate when the left started attacking them

[@nautdead3197]

It's wasn't just the right that was anti video games. Joe lieberman mentioned in this video was a dem

[@davidfrancisco3502]

@@ShortFatOtaku The so called Anti War left craptivists from the George W. Bush Era never were actual anti war pacifists. They're communist useful idiots that do not want right wingers in power while they put their heads in the sand when the politicians of "their side" are into warmoger bullshit aswell.

[@Xplora213]

It is very hard to see outside the goldfish bowl when you are inside it. You can only see what is right there inside the bowl, and it is hard as hell to see outside because of the distortion in the bowl. It is even harder to get perspective when the activist Left deliberately wants to lie about the history of politics. The far left have never been in favour of free expression because that’s not going to help the Revolution, is it?

[@debanydoombringer1385]

It used to be split. You had some on the left that would jump on these things too. The right was controlled by Evangelicals so that's why you had a lot of moral outrage from them. It never had much bite, as Dev explained. Almost all successful censorship has come from the left in my lifetime and I'm Gen X so old as dirt. I would go to concerts because there was a church protesting it. It was a great. Edit: The PMRC, which is responsible for the age restrictions and warning labels on music and video games, was a combination of both headed by Tipper Gore. She convinced her husband Al, a prominent Democrat, to hold Senate hearings on the evil heavy metal and rap music. The labels were a compromise to avoid outright bans.

[@adherentofladycolumbia725]

Moral panics are temporary, but Doom is Eternal

[@scottroxford5715]

Because the only thing they fear... is you.

[@blackchibisan8116]

@@scottroxford5715 And Isabelle. That dog terrifies me

[@gp2399]

Yes

[@godusopp9401]

Rip and tear...until it is done

[@MrSmiley81092]

And Wu-Tang is Forever

[@MissShembre]

The comic book moral panic that happened decades ago is why most of our comic books are about superheroes, and not tales of gore and horror.

[@judsongaiden9878]

EC horror comics were muh faves.

[@multilad816]

Wonder there are moral panics on operas and board games?

[@ImTakingYouToFlavorTown]

@King Sturtevant I mean, batman in at least 1 canon basically turns gotham into a police state where its patrolled by his robots who answer to him, and superman is always 1 bad day from turning into super Stalin, they are characters who decided that they needed to do more to stop the crime and the death, even if they needed to kill everyone else to do it, there is a good story about this in one of the later arcs in the comic invincible.

[@AdventuringMind]

@@multilad816 I heard rumors that infestation has reached board games already. As for Opera, give it time.

[@DrLynch2009]

And that lack of a comic book moral panic in Europe is the reason the "bande dessinee" is so diverse and sales more copies than american comics.

[@willrogers3793]

It’s oddly comforting to me that, even at 29 years old, I can still recognize pearl-clutching petty tyrants for what they are, instead of thinking that they have a point.

[@littleDainolf]

Yea one of reasons I havn't killed myself. I feel it is necessary to teach this to next generations.

[@buttersleopaldstoch5793]

Its proves we are not sell outs

[@86Corvus]

It's not an age thing. It's an intelligence thing. Average person is stupid enough to be manipulated by groupthink

[@ryanhodge5770]

I remember my jaw dropping when I saw *that* Extra Credits video. I couldn't believe I was hearing Jack Thompson's arguments being argued verbatim by a channel dedicated (once upon a time) to extolling games as art.

[@1685Violin]

Extra Credits has always been progressive even in the earliest years looking back in hindsight. We didn't notice it until Gamergate in 2014 when Dan Floyd and James Portnow came out as anti-Gamergate. We used to agree with those videos only because the left didn't split into the far-left and the moderate left until Gamergate.

[@tigerfestivals5137]

@@1685Violin i don't think it was as bad as it is now though. The first time i noticed them being dumb was their take about the game called "Hatred" and the controversy surrounding it.

[@mrshmuga9]

@@1685Violin I still have no clue what James does. He’s supposedly a consultant on game design, despite his company never making a game, nor credited for one (last I recall). The fact that it was rarely mentioned was suspect too. If you’re reputable/skilled as you claim (and not just random gamer with thoughts on design), you’d think you’d want to prove that.

[@1685Violin]

@@mrshmuga9 I don't know either other than he was the main writer throughout EC history.

[@guillermoelnino]

i saw reactions in my feed before the actual video. been following extra credits since before they were called that. really disappointing, but not surprising. he deserved every downvote and every lost subscriber.

[@Coypop]

"It's all just kids trolling adults, and adults who think they're still kids" the truth

[@rickconnolly5006]

Troof

[@multilad816]

Or adults thinking what's good everyone by doing the the most red herring like and worst ways possible

[@edit3891]

They act like GamerGate set us back centuries and we'd have space travel and AIs if only it didn't happen.

[@Cloud_Seeker]

What is funny is that it started because one game developer engaged in the oldest profession for some good reviews. No ethical problems here at all.

[@geek_on_9159]

Cinema Roberto sure thinks that way

[@LordsofMedia]

We don't have space travel and AIs?

[@edit3891]

@@LordsofMedia I mean we do, but really bad versions of it. Talking about space travel as in when it's a common thing people, not the limited stuff we have now. And while we can loosely define some of what we have as an AI today (Watson is one of the best examples), will be really cool to see what good advanced AIs can do if we don't mess it up.

[@LordsofMedia]

@@edit3891 Elon Musk is already planning a trip to the sun. To avoid all the heat and cosmic radiation they will go at night.

[@fusionfountain]

I was born in 1994 I I remember all this And I remember in the first triple X movie Vin Diesel starts by shit talking a senator who wants to get rid of our video games talks about how they’re the only real education kids got

[@dave2808]

Then drives the dude's car off a cliff. Those were crazy times.

[@KingFlameHawk]

I wasn't interested in 6 days until this new moral panic. Thank you Twatter.

[@Davitofrito]

Same.

[@MissRora]

I wasn't aware of it in the first place until the panic. Yay, Streisand Effect!

[@Alberich_Prince_of_Dwarves]

For real, I'm not an FPS girl but I'm gonna buy 6 Days JUST because of the moral outrage.

[@JohnKerbaugh]

Each moral panic is a sure sign of something worth a second look.

[@Enclavefakesoldier]

someone should tell them the final boss of 50 Cent: Bulletproof is an Arab weapons dealer. see how they like that.

[@mremc3825]

It is the strangest whiplash being a gamer from the 90-to now.

[@Sines314]

Indeed. But it all seemed so much more harmless back then.

[@Icenri]

I remember Pikachu being blamed for giving seizures to kids in Japan, FF8 allegedly motivating the Katana assassin in Spain, our parents telling us to not play tabletop RPG because D&D was labeled as satanist. And it went on, and on.

[@L337N1NJ4L1NK]

Quick thing, a Pokemon episode did induce seizures in some children. It was a scene where Pikachu used Thunderbolt to block missiles fired by a Porygon.

[@Icenri]

@@L337N1NJ4L1NK I agree, but it was overblown.

[@acidpain6059]

Excuse me? Katana Assassin?

[@ImTakingYouToFlavorTown]

that porygon warrior episode ruined anime ever since, can't have any bright lights anymore, now the entire screen dims whenever things get too flashy.

[@AJBAXTER7677]

@@L337N1NJ4L1NK I think his point was that when that happened, people didn't just want the episode removed or revised, there were people expecting the entire series to be bad. Not to mention that Pokemon even has taken flak from PETA after they tried to compare the games as dog fighting simulators.

[@SgtPotShot]

Hilariously, Jack Thompson actually defended Mass Effect's sex scenes, saying they where no different then what was on late night tv at the time. On Fox News. What the fuck.

[@MarcoMariaRossiArte]

Because having sex is normal. Murder isn't. I don't agree with him but this is quite logical

[@TheSleepingSeer]

For all that can be said about Thompson, he at least had a consistent set of principles. He actually believed the (ridiculous) things he said. You won't see that in his modern replacements like Anita Sarkeesian. If the situation in our culture favored something other than the nihilistic leftism that it does, people like Sarkeesian would be standing on a very different soapbox. As long as it makes them popular, powerful, and wealthy, those who currently dress up their emptiness and greed in wokeness will say and do whatever is necessary to reach that end. And so, if and when culture changes to promote something other than that wokeness, they will immediately change their "beliefs" to continue their hideous pursuit.

[@OmenCrimson]

You've been killing it since you came back

[@ShortFatOtaku]

thank you!

[@TheSoldierChristian]

Tbh he really has...

[@livingborg]

@@ShortFatOtaku Dev your fucking killing it mate. Much Love Brother. Keep on keeping on.

[@RogerTheil]

That's because of all the violent video games

[@Snakedude4life]

I used to know people that would vehemently hate Jack Thompson. And now some of them align with his beliefs for very different reasons. “Die a Hero...” 🎩 🐍 no step on SNEK! 🇭🇰🇺🇸

[@FourOf92000]

or in this case "die a villain"?

[@Snakedude4life]

@@FourOf92000 Bingo. Was his name-o.

[@theimproooooooover]

I don't know anymore I've gotten to the point where maybe people like Thompson, conservative fundamental Christians, are a more preferable options to the people we see running around these days, a la socjus Warriors. Like I agree with Dev on a majority of points but I feel like I'm just getting tired of the liberal position and I feel like it's readily apparent that its a position that is untenable in real politics and eventually gives way to either right wing or left wing politics and in the US at least it seems like it's been leftwing politicos who've steam rolled people like Dev and other 'classical liberals'

[@theimproooooooover]

I'm not sure what I'm trying to get across but it just feels like this constant socjus bashing is a way to avoid putting ourselves and the idealogoies we hold under the microscope. How did we let the socjus people the marxists/commies/socialists in the positions of power and influence they now hold over most facets of our lives? Is it because they barged in? Or is it that because of these classical liberal beliefs we held allowed them to creep in and corrupt these aspects of our lives? I agree with classic liberalism on most things but I feel as though it has no teeth to bare nor do it's followers seem willing to bare those teeth at the very people who seek to commit idealogical genocide upon them.

[@everyonethinksyoureadeathm5773]

@@theimproooooooover I think I get what your saying. Thompson for his faults was in the right. He clearly drew a line and tried hard to get that line enforced. There are points that yes a 10 year old shouldn't be playing CoD, should be outside playing baseball and the parent being the parent. While at the same time, allowing said 10 year old to play games appropriate for his/her age. We got away with it because we grew up understanding the difference between reality and fantasy. Our parents were still acting as parents. The upcoming generations lack that (at least the tail end of the millennial and Gen Z) instead social media and gaming has become the ever-constant babysitter. Thompson was oddly right about rap music but for not the right reasons. It devolved into sex, drugs and violence on its own and thus became complete trash. Early Rap at least had some form of poetry but today's artists are fully auto tuned and using porn stars to sell records because they can't sing for shit.

[@Davitofrito]

I'm about to be 32. I also feel old and can't understand people my own age or younger being morally outraged pearl clutching authoritarians. It was dumb when the right did it and now when the left does it. Thanks for this video. Hope something changes.

[@Drew_McTygue]

I remember the moral panic around 16 bit games. Our childhood was great

[@dustygearhead]

Play Sonic for a few hours then go outside, ride bikes and then throw rocks and walnuts at each other. Come home at dark. Easy, simple times.

[@MaverickhunterXZero]

Anita and Jack shanking hands is surreal since this would happen if Jack just changed his tune to her ideas, Even though, Femfrick always said "We're not Jack we love video games" despite selling all collection of very modern very easily obtainable games at the time.

[@latt.qcd9221]

I've read a large portion of the "journals/manifestos" from school shooters and, in every instance I've read, they've always had severe psychological problems and weren't "caused" by video games. It's almost always a case of abusive parents and schools, psychological torture, untreated personality disorders, social isolation, severe depression and suicidal ideation, and other factors like this that are present before they do what they do. School shooters aren't simply "game addicts"; they're victims that chose to make more victims before their suicide.

[@SilverCyborgSliver]

Okay I know I'm late, but I've been interested in school shooters (or other delinquents) writings a lot. I've read the columbine dairys and Elliot Rodgers Manifesto (plus Ted Kaczynskis Manifesto). Do you have any recommendations which ones are wirth reading / interesting?

[@newdivide9882]

Been saying it for the past year myself: Lefties have become the 90s soccer moms they used to laugh at, and they haven’t realized it yet. Also, I finished Hollow Knight just a few weeks ago and it most definitely is top tier

[@feliperisseto9113]

Comicsgate is also a fenomenom worth of look into. You have a industry so woke that it's not even a industry anymore, and a indie community challenge them and tryves from their failure. People lose careers, others arise as celebrities in the niche. It is something that deserves to be studied, in my opinion.

[@jackmanic1238]

Agreed comics gate was similar to gamer game in concept but it turned comics back into a niche since not everyone knows about the people involved in CG

[@Eirik_Bloodaxe]

@@jackmanic1238 I think comics gate is similar, but they’ve basically lost. Like yeah indie comics and stuff still exist and EVS and Zach are doing big things. But the entire mainstream comic industry has become basically 100% infected. There’s a reason Demon Slayer just beat the entire American Comic industry in sales.

[@debanydoombringer1385]

@@Eirik_Bloodaxe DC is going broke. I wouldn't consider that a win for them. Marvel isn't doing much better comic wise. I like ALL CAPS. I've invested in a couple. Really love Kyle's work. Looking forward to his first one.

[@Eirik_Bloodaxe]

@@debanydoombringer1385 Them going broke only really matters if they care about profits. Which they have shown they don’t. The ideology is more important. And if the company does eventually die, it’s a win for them because they’ve dismantled a bad Ist & Ism company.

[@tigerfestivals5137]

* phenomenon

[@GURGLEGUY12345]

Oh boy, I sure hope Fallujah Fazbear doesn't jumpscare me.

[@DebilNo4Mk1]

ALLAHU AKBAR

[@MagpieDynamics]

*akbear FTFY

[@wun1gee]

"Never actually played the game." She who shall not be named.

[@praisekek181]

She is the one who Awoke the feared warlord Sargon, and his mighty legions

[@wun1gee]

@@praisekek181 He just wanted to play video games.

[@TheAzureNightmare]

The Garbage Human who addressed Sargon as what she is herself.

[@wun1gee]

@@TheAzureNightmare And then somehow got made out to be the victim. Because she was aggressively listened to. Or something.

[@davidnorth8367]

I feel so bad for the reddit communities. They were just young people trying to converse and they can even like what they like.

[@blacktigerpaw1]

Fandom discourse is pure cannibalism. Pro free speech but many are gender ideologues who hate TERFs.

[@Alberich_Prince_of_Dwarves]

@@blacktigerpaw1 Fandoms have been tearing themselves up for years, especially on tumblr. When tumblr banned porn, they started to migrate to twatter and merged with the moral outrage groups there. See anime fans that decry "problematic ships" etc. Echochambers are bad, in short, turn off internet and play more vidya or socialize IRL. Oh wait, corona.

[@PsypherWolf]

@@blacktigerpaw1 they'll call any feminist who only slightly disagrees with their unilateral views a TERF, what does it even mean anymore?

[@Mich6961]

@@PsypherWolf I believe it stands for something along the lines of Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist

[@1pfuller]

Literally every hobby or fanbase subreddit is now just leftist woke bullshit. That entire website is comprimised apart from the subs actively criticizing reddit itself or general woke/idpol thought

[@kingsteve4304]

Dev, as someone born in the 2000s. You're simply old. Doesn't mean I dont know about the moral panics, but I never had to live through it. Sorry you had to do live through that era. I hope you can feel the same for me having to live through **today**

[@ShortFatOtaku]

tbh i preferred it. the 90s and 2000s were awesome. there was some commie channel i watched where they said the millennials are all socialists because they grew up during a long, slow collapse of capitalism, but that's honestly just dumb. things only seriously started getting bad in 2008.

[@migarsormrapophis2755]

@@ShortFatOtaku pining for the old internet where censorship wasn't so prevalent? understandable, have a nice day

[@littlemisseevee2309]

we lived through it growing up in the 2000’s too

[@wun1gee]

The moral panics of the 90s and before never gained traction. They remained niche sideshows to what was then 'modern' popular culture. Today's moral panic IS the popular culture. So yes. As someone who was born in '83, who remembers the moral panics of the 90s, I feel bad for the fact that you have to deal with the moral panics of today. Because they are so, so much worse.

[@Sines314]

@@wun1gee Agreed. Those idiots could harm individual people, control the lives of the kids of a church or something, but they never actually got Mortal Kombat banned. At least, not in the US. But today, the SJWs have far too much control. Fortunately, unlike a lot of media, gaming isn't dominated by America. Hollywood, and therefore most of the movie industry, has gone to shit. But Japan is largely untouched by the moral panic. Granted, localization can ruin things (Body Type 1 and 2 in Monster Hunter rather than Male and Female in character creation, for example), and they may avoid doing certain things in their games to avoid offending the western audience, but for the most part, they do what they want. And harmful localization can only do so much. If absolutely nothing else, it prevents those Japanese companies from hiring people based solely on political doctrine, rather than any concern about talent.

[@RobzdaBlade]

My older cousin had mortal Kombat. I remember him beatin me in that badly. So yea man, every kid on the block, even in Newfoundland. Had a Snes or an old PC because of family. Running around playing with sticks, and afterwards go play some snes. Edit: I thought KZbin was lifting restrictions on speech? My comment got deleted because I had two s's in as. Like really? There's a moral panic on speech, that's for sure.

[@TOUGHEYES]

Game Journos - journalists in general - lash out in pain as they strike you. That is because they fear the STORM THAT IS APPROACHING .

[@johnprovens7593]

Is it like on of those storms from Mad Max? Because that would be pretty choice.

[@audacioustomato9446]

they fear that the storm's provoking black clouds and isolation

[@Sines314]

Now I'm feeling motivated!

[@kieranmclaughlin264]

One day, The true game journalist's rise up and become the reclaimers of their name

[@mrshmuga9]

I’m still waiting for that storm. Developers are still catering to journalists, and normie gamers will attack veteran gamers for not putting up with crap. Until those normies revolt (which they likely won’t because they’ll go with whatever the mainstream opinion is), nothing will change. Even Capcom is making internal changes (from leaked documents) to cater to these hack journalists. At best, we can only affect indie devs. Even then though it’s safer for them to kowtow and get positive attention in articles, than piss them off and get no attention from anyone.

[@shapeshiftingpedro]

I remember the scare behind YuGiOh cards and Harry Potter books.

[@doomqwer]

Remember when pokemon America censored the slot machines in the game corner after diamond and pearl causing us to have to play the boring replacement voltorb flip

[@NoNamesLeft0102]

Let's face it. Minesweeper without the challenge. Just go long enough to get a Dratini and breed it until you get a good one.

[@itachi6918]

I think voltorb flip was pretty fun personally, its like a different take on minesweeper. That being said it is really dumb how because of games ratings, pokemon games don't have gambling in them now, with lets go pikachu/eevee going so far as to renaming the gambler class to gamer.

[@aidendavid2680]

Don’t shit on voltorb flip

[@1685Violin]

That wasn't the fault of Americans. The reason the Gaming Corners later became removed outside of Japan was because of stricter _EU_ regulations, not Americans complaining about it.

[@davidgusquiloor2665]

It was the EU the one that did that, and in the end we didn't even get Voltorb flip, they killed the game corner entirely. No game corner was one of the most dissapointing thing in ORAS to me.

[@PkmariO64]

Oh, I have another one. In the late 20’s, a murderer said that Lon Chaney’s character in the film “London After Midnight” had hypnotized him and made him kill a woman.

[@davidfrancisco3502]

A loser and a degenerate who tried to blame anything but himself.

[@petehill7280]

Is this why London After Midnight is lost media now?

[@mikeymy3042]

A Scottish lad killed his best mate, put him in a wheelie bin and dumped his body on local wastelands. When caught he told police the vampire queen (Aaliyah) from queen of the damned told him to do it.

[@debanydoombringer1385]

Jodi Foster in Taxi Driver made that guy try to kill Reagan.

[@Alberich_Prince_of_Dwarves]

..that's...hilariously sad.

[@vorlon010]

"maybe it's because gamers were bullied as kids" ... by the exact people who lead the wokescolds now, yes.

[@GURGLEGUY12345]

This Peter guy spends 18 hours a day playing DDR? Freaking hell, imagine how his legs must look.

[@queen_alexandra996]

You did the Elvis one as a Joke but, I distinctly remember an old friend of mine telling me I shouldn't listen to Elvis' music because he stole it all from black people

[@cseguin]

I think you can go as far back as the early 80s and include the moral panic over D&D and other RPGs . . . it was amazing to behold since I was an avid D&D player at the time.

[@cseguin]

@King Sturtevant It's called _Mazes & Monsters_ starring Tom Hanks . . . it was a joke because the whole premise is based around a college kid who is _already_ mentally unstable . . . and he lets himself go when he joins in on a new RPG adventure . . . I laughed at how obviously ridiculous the "argument" they were attempting to create with a college kid going nuts after playing an RPG . . . amazing . . . the kid was fucked up already. Lol.

[@littlemisseevee2309]

everything new sparks a panic, hell even pandemic did

[@cseguin]

@@littlemisseevee2309 Indeed - Covid-19(84) is a nothingburger . . .

[@cseguin]

@@Rudi__yt1 Sounds like you had a good mother. So did I . . . she loved it when my friends would come over to have a session - she enjoyed it when her kids were having harmless fun with their friends. Playing D&D led to a lifelong interest in history, archaeology, religions, anthropology . . . I could go on . . . it's a great vehicle to teach a kid to stretch their imagination and branch out and explore the _real_ world since a lot of fantasy RPGs are loosely based on real history.

[@duke68318]

Same here, my parents thought I was going to turn into a serial killer 😂 now I DM for my daughters!

[@atpyro7920]

I'm still not tired of winning. Let's keep going. Edit: Also, while I'm here, link me your new background music, it sounds really relaxing.

[@ShortFatOtaku]

parasite eve's police station theme

[@atpyro7920]

@@ShortFatOtaku thx

[@residentidiot5998]

>Winning Are we? Wokescolds still have influence over the majority of Western devs and publishers, as well as weaseling their way into localizations of game they hate.

[@lordplebius483]

I’m 22 so I caught the tail end of the right wing moral panics, oh how the times have changed.

[@literallytrotsky7775]

The Amazing Atheist situation is hilarious. He doesn't know how to reconcile being a leftist (he supported the BLM and Antifa riots... Lol!) with being a freedom lovin' anti-censorship edgelord. His brain is in a constant state of cognitive dissonance.

[@dolphinboi-playmonsterranc9668]

Five nights in fallujah sounds like a middle east knockoff of five nights at freddy's

[@flibbernodgets7018]

13:03, wait, they're worried about him being addicted to DDR? I mean yes 18 hours is excessive but he could do much worse. I wish I looked that good with my shirt off.

[@greensmurf221]

No joke- the kid was F'n cut.

[@mrshmuga9]

Maybe they’re jealous he’s mor physically active than they are, lol.

[@judsongaiden9878]

7:36 It's twenty-TEENS, not twenty-TENS. When you pluralize "ten," the lowest number you get is 20, which is not a teen. And I'm pretty sure most of us were bullied as kids regardless of generation. Xennials, represent! 7:43 Hyper-focus is only one trait associated with autism and isn't specific to autism. It's also associated with trait Conscientiousness on the Big 5, the Melancholy temperament if we're going by the classical temperaments (corresponding with Conscientiousness on the DISC system), and Ravenclaw if we're using Hogwarts houses. 8:11 Actually, we have a penchant for self-deprecation and/or self-parody. Maybe a lot of us are bipolar and/or masochistic. Combine mania with masochism and you can really have some fun. You know, like Fight Club. 8:17 A lot of us ARE nationalistic, but in the "civic" sense (which is "wingless" and critical of both the far-left AND the far-right). You know, like Undyne. * *cue 'Spear of Justice' theme* * But we're also a lot like Alphys with our "obsessiveness" (the downside to trait Conscientiousness and the Melancholy temperament, see also Adrian Monk) and drive to satisfy curiosity of the unknown. *Note:* Ever notice how the internationalist left always refers to "nationalism" in its Lawful Evil ethnic form and not its Lawful Good CIVIC form? It's like they don't even realize that they contradict and battle each other all the time. CIVIC nationalism is based on the radical and daring notion that all nations should be free. Only in a world this clowny can an internationalist refer to a nationalist as an "imperialist" and keep a straight face without realizing the irony. Internationalism is imperialism! Nationalism is Resistance! 8:58 Because they're both geriatric low-t cucks. Demolition Man was a warning, not a blueprint. 9:37 Which is hypocritical in his case since he claims to be a "nationalist." Nationalists are supposed to be ornery (again, like Undyne). Violent entertainment is actually a force for good because it encourages tough-mindedness and an indomitable attitudinal energy which some call *Determination.* Only tough-minded people have the will to *RESIST* psychopaths that go on Genocide runs in the real world. But it takes more than tough-mindedness, willpower, and resolve. It also takes equipment, hence the Second Amendment. *Note:* Only in a world this lame can someone claim to be pro-gun while also claiming to be anti-video game and keep a straight face. The regime under which we toil these days is the "dictatorship of the weak." And by that, I mean "weak-minded." 9:44 And this guy calls himself a "nationalist." Disgraceful. Not nationalist enough if you ask me. Undyne for president, 2024! 9:51 What can we do to stop old people from making "laws?" Don't we have more than enough already?! Legalism is more harmful to the human spirit than lawlessness. When they combine forces to attack at the same time, they become the living embodiment of Baphomet, "as above, so below," with the forces of legalistic tyranny attacking us from "above" while the forces of lawless criminality attack from "below." It's a Napoleonic pincer maneuver specifically designed to destroy both Liberty and Justice. And it was designed by those who value "order" over freedom (most of whom advocate global government, like that's any surprise). 11:47 It's because "power" is rarely (if ever) wielded by those who understand "purpose," instead seeking power for its own sake. A just leader knows that the purpose of power is purpose, in the same sense that "order" without justice is tyranny. Tyrants always use power to dominate, rather than using purpose to liberate. And there's no better way to dominate hearts, minds, and SOULs than by killing the imagination. The purpose of entertainment is to stir the imagination and excite the senses. Take that away from people and you break their spirit. Then they become empty husks that can be indoctrinated to function as automatons that do nothing but carry out tasks without passion or purpose. The forces arrayed against us are an iron-heeled jackboot and it's time we drive a nail through its SOLE, right into the foot that wears it.

[@lawdactyl]

I remember having a conversation with a friend a few years ago (post gamer gate but pre trump) about free speech/censorship and I brought up it seemed like lefties were the ones doing the moralizing while they were certain it was the right. When I asked for examples they gave mostly examples from the 80s and 90s but none within the previous decade or so and I brought up some more recent ones. After that we switched topics. Basically what I’m trying to say is, I really appreciate this video Dev. I liked the look back all the way to the turn of the century. Keep on keeping on man.

[@Icenri]

Remember the guys that were accused of killing two children and the only basis for the accusations was that they listened to Metallica? IIRC one of them endured 20 years on death row to be eventually exonerated.

[@johnprovens7593]

Wait that was a serious thing? That’s fucked on some many levels.

[@Icenri]

@@johnprovens7593 The West Memphis Three case

[@Xplora213]

You sure that’s the only evidence? That sounds like a LOT.

[@Icenri]

@@Xplora213 Not the only evidence, but there was not enough of it: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Memphis_Three?wprov=sfla1 "[...] During the trial, the prosecution asserted that the juveniles killed the children as part of a Satanic ritual." The documentary I watched on this signaled that the father of one of the kids was most probably the murderer.

[@Xplora213]

@@Icenri “the only basis of the accusations” is not the same claim as “not the only evidence”. False accusations happen, dude... and you are doing the exact same thing. Taking the truth and stretching it to suit your agenda. It’s not ok to lie just because it’s supporting your team. There was not much evidence but there was more than just the music. Bad prosecution happens all the time. You were tricked into believing this was only because they were metal fans.

[@SvendleBerries]

Yeah, I remember the old moral panics. I remember Dee Snider laying waste to Al Gore and his wife to their faces in congress lol Granted, that was 1984, a year after I was born, but I remember seeing footage of it in the 90s. Moral panics are always stupid and rely solely on the ignorance of the masses. Every. Single. Time.

[@debanydoombringer1385]

I was 12 or 13 and I watched them live on MTV. Really disappointed in the music "stars" that just shrugged it off because it was targeting heavy metal and rap. John Denver and Frank Zappa also joined the fight, but Dee was awesome with his stacks of books and papers. They were not expecting that.

[@SvendleBerries]

@@debanydoombringer1385 Yeah, I remember the politicians were happy John Denver came because they thought he was going to be on their side. He wasnt lol Likened their censorship to Fascism, which it is.

[@davidmenty611]

You're wrong about Jack Thompson though. His crusade against rap was in lock step with Tipper Gore. Edit: to clarify, video games and rap and metal were bipartisan punching bags.

[@MahDryBread]

Hey Dev! As a fellow old, I also remember bitching about Jack Thompson with my friends!

[@devangoad]

Yo, good to see you around here man! Gonna start watching more of your content to support this side of the culture war now that i know. I watch this guy called pokemon challenges because he makes pretty good content but in his vods hes always bringing up random lefty causes and crying out “oh nooooo they voted for their independence? Oh god... “ Im not exactly into the single pokemon runs through the game, but i have watched quite a few of them while at work and will now try and catch ‘em all :)

[@AnglicanFish]

Just here to appreciate the calming and intellectual yet down-to-earth analysis from Dev

[@Noscopenoproblem]

Then: "Think of the children!" Now: "Think of the women and minorities!"

[@MisterSkullium]

the "think of the children" is still true. Just replace kid with minor and you got twitter perfectly

[@Merlin326]

There's as song I heard long ago that describes these people perfectly. "You gotta wonder bout these people, and what they think and feel. They can't tell a game from real life, they think this game is real."

[@kirya312]

White phosphorus use should not be tolerated. We should promote the use of POC (phosphorus of color) and indigenous phosphorus.

[@charlie7466]

The Gamers stayed strong that makes me proud

[@aidendavid2680]

Truly the master race

[@drzal1221]

We earned our stripes

[@greensmurf221]

Apes strong together.

[@Sines314]

We're a group of people who beat a game and then say "What if I did that again, but completely naked?" We do pointlessly difficult things FOR FUN. When facing down people who oppose the very idea of meritocracy, hard work, and self-improvement, it's a hell of an advantage.

[@B1RDSEYE]

I’m 27, but I learned everything about jack thompson from ya boi count dankula.

[@Alberich_Prince_of_Dwarves]

That was a good video and it gave me a new perspective on Mr. Thompson. He's still a bit of a loon to me, but I respect him much more than I'll ever respect someone like Anita Sarkeesian.

[@ZombieCorp999]

Analyzing history to explain present-day problems, more of this.

[@hiddendesire3076]

4:20 A rep who also was a supporter of defunding the police while hiring on their own private security firm to hide behind.

[@roonkolos]

Violent video games creating violence Meanwhile, violent movies: *exist*

[@MK_ULTRA420]

Meanwhile, governments: *start wars*

[@cyan1833]

In Don Quixote (16th century) they treated novels in the same manner they went on to treat radio, comics, television, rock and later metal music and eventually videogames

[@zedthemexicanmadman9542]

'You need to focus on spreading the utopia' No thanks im playing paintball 'REEEEE!'

[@Aklemvaeo]

A 30's boomer, I recall all that 90's crap on MK and the ilk. I also remember hearing the stories of the heavy metal moral panic. It's the whole idea of "I don't like it or understand it so I'll pin all the problems I care about on THIS ONE thing." It's kind of like if I blamed tik-tok for today's trubbled yoouf whilst shaking my fist in the air. The moral panics never end. Indie games rock, as I'm a dirty garden tool for platformers and rouge-likes. Hours of fun, cheap price tags.

[@mysteriousstranger9496]

Reminds of something Christopher Hitchens once said around the lines of there being a certain type of person for whom offence is a way of life, of their identity itself. That even when one, at home, goes upstairs to enjoy their time privately, said types of people will bring a set of ladders to ensure they can still be offended.

[@xhesil8848]

I missed the Mortal Kombat panic, I lived through the Grand Theft Auto panic.

[@flibbernodgets7018]

3:12 this reminds me of playing Star Trek Voyager: Elite Force as a kid. My parents would sometimes play the multiplayer mode with me and, knowing I would likely win, would always play as Janeway so they could watch her die over and over and do that horrible disintegration scream.

[@iainmuir6116]

Still seething over gamergate, it's been how many years now? 'Oh no! People don't give a damn about my talentless hack opinions!'

[@garrettgrant9543]

I remember attack of the show joking about jack thompson when g4tv was on the air. Damn... I might be old too!

[@papapesky]

Ah, the good ol' days. I believe that the 360/PS3 era was objectively the best generation however the SNES/Genesis era was the golden age.

[@debanydoombringer1385]

SAGA (singing it as all should).

[@TaskMaster5]

My take is the 8/16 bit era is the golden age and the true king of video games simply being video games. Simple but solid concepts and executions. Boot it up and get to playing instantly with no fluff. But the era of early 3D (ps1/n64 specifically) was a true time to be alive as a gamer. It was the literal wild west and there were SO MANY games. So many! Of ALL genres. Of all styles. There was a load of shit as the industry was feeling things out but there were far more gems than trash. Ps2, dreamcast, game cube and xbox original really had a slew of great works and continued that proverbial games arms race. It was wild. Ps3 and 360 had it's share of greats but it also marked the beginning of 'saftey' in the industry. Sequels upon sequels and just going by formula that has continued to today. By the end of that era started the decline we're in right now.

[@BlackenedSparks]

I remember too, dev. Having a friend's father lecture us about the evils of gta: vice city, while holding a newspaper article in-hand, still seems better to me than the current state of affairs, though.

[@spellswordmain]

"Why worry about the atom bomb when America has millions of comics fans?" not anymore lmaoooooooooooo

[@MrZeroTerrorRide]

My man, you are old. But so am I. I remember this stuff.

[@empherialseraphim1797]

There will be a time when Gamers will rise again, and the Scrubs of the earth will be pwnd into teabags, thus we clean the earth

[@bruhzzleprojects5279]

A government has three main machine's The Money Machine The War Machine And The Pol~ I mean Outrage Machine

[@drewbakka5265]

Tldr Gamers rise up

[@fettbub92]

Journalists - "What are the politics of Gamers?" Stats - "Liberal, anti-authority, pro-liberty libertarians" Journalists - "So fascists?"

[@lordlammi1562]

I've watched progressive KZbinrs and they deadass don't even have a definition of fascism. Whenever someone asks them to define it, they have this long-ass checklist of unrelated and extremely vague shit. I'm not exaggerating. Then they say it's okay to assault fascists, despite not being able to clearly tell us who "fascists" are.

[@PuyochaGaming]

Doesn't this all seems like a diversion tactic that Yuri Bezmenov said make people focus on unimportant mundane issues to avoid them from engaging the real issues.

[@TriggeredJelly]

Fictional violence DOES desensitize you to real violence (it's the same as using exposure to things you fear in therapy). It doesn't cause you to become violent though. Whether getting desensitized to violence is a good thing or a bad thing may depend.

[@zogoli5927]

Gamers are the most oppressed minority

[@azerithboxxed4339]

Preach king

[@KAPTAINmORGANnWo4eva]

Let's not forget things like "Why are there no Subsaharan Africans in your game about Medieval Bohemia" and "How dare a crowdfunded porn game developer do an interview with ArchWarhammer" as recent examples of idiocy

[@BigVorst]

Yes Dev, I unfortunately remember all of those things at the start too. It was just as bad in Australia, too. Took us a very long time to even get a rating for games above MA15+, and even then they're pretty strict with R18+ ratings.

[@Alberich_Prince_of_Dwarves]

Australia in general has to be one of the strictest countries when it comes to games, no? Next to Germany. I know there are a lot of banned media in Australia.

[@BigVorst]

@@Alberich_Prince_of_Dwarves Yeah, I remember we recently even had some banning of 18+ stuff from Japan recently but idr the specifics.

[@DrEhrfurchtgebietend]

Doom made me a Christian because i killed demons

[@GregBert87]

I'm old enough to remember this. It just made me go out and buy every new version of GTA and Mortal Kombat.

[@drzal1221]

Keep it up devo your videos are always appreciated

[@ShortFatOtaku]

Thanks a ton

[@catazxy]

You're wrong FatOtaku, it's the metal community who's the real mvp here, they've kicked the woke poison that was trying to infect them in 2 sec. flat, unlike gaming who is been struggling for what it feels like a decade.

[@greensmurf221]

I'd pay to see a SJW try to mosh.

[@JustSiouxMe]

To me it kind of feels a bit like a lot of the younger people who lambast gaming as a refuge for bigots just want it to be ok to openly bully anyone who likes videogames again.

[@HenryGreenEngine3]

This man spits molten hot facts from his gun made of Truth

[@Garrus1995]

I kind of hope the gaming industry crashes because there has just been so much garbage lately that it all needs a reset. Cyberpunk 2077, Last of Us Part 2, everything to do with BioWare over the past decade, EA and Bethesda...there’s no end to it.

[@lesyndromedecassandre611]

8:25 "You asked for citations but I'm assuming you won't accept one with my name on the byline". Just... how... I feel like my brain cells commited to sudoku.

[@aethertoast4320]

It is so disgusting that there are so many people in the games industry that want to get government censorship nowadays because of this one game. That is something that is so insane.

[@Operation_C4]

I can confirm that as a gamer, I am autistically laser focused

[@dirtbagcentrist7969]

Never stop boycotting Blizzard. Avoid woke gaming channels, that includes that Jim Sterling idiot even if he is right about Blizzard. Support gaming channels directly challenging censorship. Support unwoke indie developers.

[@augustgreig9420]

I remember when Gran Turismo came out, I stayed up over 48 hours playing it. And it because it was really awesome, not because something was wrong in my life.

[@MK_ULTRA420]

Sounds like the only thing wrong in your life was your Gran Turismo deficiency. Glad to hear you overcame it.

[@lordcavalier9688]

Yeah I remember in college I’d play a video game all weekend long. Not cause my life was shit, because I was entertained and wanted to get as far in the new rpg as I can before I got to go back to studying all week. Now an engineer.

[@GURGLEGUY12345]

Jack Thompson wasn't Florida-based. He was Florida-cringe.

[@Ultra_Light_Beam]

A more extensive video about these many moral panics would be really cool.

[@TheAzureNightmare]

A question. Has anyone investigated into the Bronze Age Collapse? Will... Will we face a Glass Age Collapse, soon? I say Glass Age instead of Information Age because a lot of info isn't, and will not be accurate... And because we look through screens, and at screens... everyone we know is brittle these days... And finally, we're all living in Glass Houses.

[@NerdishGeekish]

"The left might have won the throne, but the peasants no longer swear fealty to it." Dev my good man you sound more and more like one of the great philosophers every day. 20 years after your death people will still use that gem of a quote above, and probably wrongly attribute it to Einstein or Lincoln. Anyways, glad you're back!

[@MrJobocan]

I've mentioned Jack Thompson a lot recently. A bit longer ago in reference to Sarkeesian and that brand of wokeness, sometimes in reference to literally everyone in gaming media thinking games shouldn't be made if they don't align with their morals, sometimes in reference to actual devs censoring their own games... In the last couple weeks, it was in reference to the insane rantings (and petitions) of devs and games media in regards Six Days in Fallujah (round 2). It's wild, I thought these people wanted serious realistic mature stories... but I guess not when it's about war? Thing is, this is different from Jack Thompson. The rhetoric is the same (sex/violence/realistic stories=bad), but it's actually having an effect on the game industry, and it's ENCOURAGED by the games media and a large portion of the game devs (in the west at least) and almost the entirety of the indie scene.

[@residentidiot5998]

The worst part is that the Bizzaro-Jack Thompson mindset has infected the studios themselves.

[@Xplora213]

It would be useful to redirect people to start caring about libertarianism vs authoritarianism as the primary axis of political comparison. You hit the nail on the head. Tipper Gore is no different from Trigglypuff and any number of leftists, functionally speaking. They seek control over your ability to access and develop content because they don’t respect your ability to consume and create it with any moral sensitivity. I personally don’t want my kids to consume anything rated for 15+, because the themes surrounding that rating are beyond them. Nothing good is achieved by exposing kids to too much, too soon. I listen to death metal. And I hate spiders. I have very specific abilities to consume some content. But allow me to decide. Tipper Gore wasn’t off base asking for explicit lyrics stickers. I don’t want my kids listening to swearing. I don’t want them having realistic depictions of violence yet. That’s part of the challenge. Make good content and make it broad enough for everyone to enjoy. You want hyper realism? Maybe you should go outside 😂 plenty of reality out there.

[@cody5535]

To boost the algorithmic visibility of this video, I will give it exactly one (1) like, and make exactly one (1) comment.

[@ShortFatOtaku]

here's one (1) thanks