ShotShot2025 Less than Lethal Coverage Part 1 | Tons to cover! Part 2 coming tomorrow night!

** This is coverage of Non Lethal launchers at ShotShow.. No firearms are in this video **
Greets Folks!
ShotShot 2025 coverage was a bit larger than I expected :)
Have a great night!
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[@gerardmcquade9102]

that mag fed Grimburg was amazing

[@AlternateArmsSD]

Yep!!

[@2Sonny]

Your videos have the charm of the early 2000s, I enjoy it a lot.

[@AlternateArmsSD]

Thanks man! Id be lying if I said I didnt love my channel!

[@JackofNothingess]

Jon, I'm excited for LL companies this year! Byrna, Pepperball, Umarex, and Sabre will definitely have my attention now!

[@AlternateArmsSD]

@@JackofNothingess oh I know man! It’s going to be a crazy good year!!

[@coachroscoe4328]

I appreciate your channel and thank you for answering everyone that sends comments

[@AlternateArmsSD]

My pleasure!

[@darnelldumas1879]

Hey man! I appreciate you to the max! You are on time, informative, relatable, and just easygoing! You do a great job of explaining these launchers to me (but I’m sure to us all). I know it can be difficult and a lot of work getting videos out in a fair time and I appreciate you making the effort. Keep it up! 👏🏾🙏🏾👌🏾

[@AlternateArmsSD]

Yeah, its a challenge. Between the channel, my full time job, and our business, time is at a premium.

[@Possum880]

I’ve been so looking forward to your coverage of Shotshow, thanks for trying to get as many of our questions answered as possible, keep up the great work!

[@AlternateArmsSD]

Thanks man! More to come! ;)

[@jft7174]

Thanks for the solstice coverage!!!

[@AlternateArmsSD]

I was SO excited to see that!

[@02337755]

Christina did great! Trust me it wasn't cringe or anything. Sometimes short and sweet is better. Got the info cool done.

[@AlternateArmsSD]

@@02337755 She said thank you so much! I really want to involve her more /)

[@02337755]

​@@AlternateArmsSD Yeah it'd be good maybe she does accessories or gives a ladies perspective on LL. PS saw you guys on Byrnas video. Glad things are going good for you my friend keep grinding. PPS Im dying to see more about that new PepperBall launcher.

[@AlternateArmsSD]

@ That’s a great idea!! Pepperball is tomorrow night :)

[@Joreel]

Ear protection is very important for these launchers and she did a great job of showing off the product 😁

[@damiendarko9411]

Grimburg Solstice looks to be exactly what the Less Lethal community has been waiting for. Small, self contained, with the ability to load balls and co2 at the same time.

[@AlternateArmsSD]

Yep! Im excited for that one as well!

[@grimburglesslethal]

That was amazing. Really good to see it all together. You are THE influencer for Less Lethal. We had zero time to make any videos of our own stuff, and it was feeling kind of anticlimactic. You brought us right back to the show! Great job and thanks.

[@AlternateArmsSD]

@@grimburglesslethal Thanks man!!! It was great seeing you guys there!! Folks had questions for you in the chat :) You’re welcome to use and if mine for yourself man!

[@stivenocampo3764]

Grimburg is the leader in the community right now, the mag having both the rounds and the co2 cartridge is magnificent. Hopefully you will prepare for people wanting 4-6 mags as well hahaha. I know I will.

[@AlternateArmsSD]

@ Yeah, they are in for a massive rush :)

[@häx-malum-agrippa]

John , thank you for this !! Holy moly , I need that Solstice !! Wow

[@AlternateArmsSD]

My pleasure man! I do to :)

[@frgtdrepsn2904]

Hell Ya! I cant wait for part 2 bro! Good stuff and very much appreciated 🫡🫡

[@AlternateArmsSD]

Tomorrow night man!

[@frgtdrepsn2904]

@@AlternateArmsSD i got my popcorn ready 🍿🍿

[@christopherhorton4634]

The Grimburg Carry is absolutely a game changer for people who want to...well....CARRY their Grimburg. Great coverage Jon

[@AlternateArmsSD]

More to come tonight :-)

[@joesolo7719]

So the original gavle can't be carried?

[@christopherhorton4634]

@@joesolo7719 it can, it's just big. Nothing like a regular pistol really. The size and shape are not great for concealment. Not in my opinion. Works well in say...a bag.

[@grimburglesslethal]

@@joesolo7719 It can. But the new one is much smaller and more comfortable for driving, being in public without worrying.

[@joesolo7719]

@@christopherhorton4634 yes, lol that's why I carry my gavle in a sling bag

[@fatdoctor007]

Finally; Sabre made a pepper spray/gell canister that a person can feel in their pocket and know which end is which.

[@AlternateArmsSD]

True! :)

[@christopherhorton4634]

Also, to add...YES. Some of us are hikers and campers. Bear spray is important! I definitely DO care about it. Sabre makes the best. I told you in an email that I use YOUR special .43 caliber rounds when hiking. The noise scares the animal, and the pepper/CS keeps them away. I don't like using bear spray unless it's a last ditch effort.

[@AlternateArmsSD]

Absolutely man. Strangely enough, it was your email that inspired me to ask them :-)

[@christopherhorton4634]

@AlternateArmsSD Hey, thanks Jon! I appreciate that. I love the outdoors. 👍

[@PFunk609]

Love it love it love it! But gosh darn dang damnit, pls refrain from callin them "guns". Stick with launcher. We're under enough scrutiny already. i dont wana lose my ltl rights.

[@drummerdude1233]

Great info! Looking forward to the Solstice and Carry videos eventually 👍

[@AlternateArmsSD]

Thanks man!

[@victorwright2017]

what we want is quick pierce from grimburg that would be awesome

[@AlternateArmsSD]

Did ya see the solstice? :)

[@DanielBalofsky]

Nice!

[@AlternateArmsSD]

It was amazing! Wait till you see part 2!

[@RexHuffman-wh5hg]

Nice vid, looking forward to part 2.

[@AlternateArmsSD]

@@RexHuffman-wh5hg Tomorrow night :)

[@deanmuhammad]

Those Gavels 🔥🔥🔥🔥!

[@AlternateArmsSD]

Ooohh yeah!

[@wernerderoover1290]

Great video with lots of info! I guess 2025 will be great year for less lethal but not so great for my bank account ;) Looking forward to part 2 and the Umarex coverage. Here in Europe, Umarex products are the most common and easy to find.

[@coachroscoe4328]

I carry ppq all day every day love it i got it because of John

[@hankjak]

So the big news from Byrna is that they still won't have a smaller more concealable LE? I know Jon you can't answer that😊

[@AlternateArmsSD]

CAN.....NOT....REPLY...... :P

[@MultiSkyman1]

I was thinking of the "Carry", but I guess I will now set my eyes on the Solstice!

[@AlternateArmsSD]

I can see both being awesome!

[@Batman-qn4bk]

I can’t wait for the gavel carry. I’m so excited for what u said about Byrna.and the rippsaw looks cool

[@coachroscoe4328]

I think byrna is to big

[@coachroscoe4328]

Let's talk it's to big to carry

[@coachroscoe4328]

I carry a ppq

[@ricardogata6823]

Great video. One small suggestion . Bring a microphone so you capture the sound better. Your voice was crisp and clear, but the people across the table were a bit harder to ear.

[@AlternateArmsSD]

Yeah, Airgun miami also showed me a few tricks.. Next year will sound a TON different.

[@TheJerzeyGuy]

Can't wait for the grimburg solstice

[@AlternateArmsSD]

Yeah, I guarantee one makes it into my holster :-)

Jon, great video. The only thing I'm concerned with the magnetic detents is if you use rounds that don't have magnetic material in them, will the rounds stay put in the chamber?

[@AlternateArmsSD]

Thats is a GREAT question. Hes going to be going through the chat. Perhaps he will enlighten us on that!

[@ClintonJohnson-qu5cv]

John, Question? Gavil- the cability of using CO2 cartridges 8 , 12, or 16 gram size? Are these cartridges the threaded type or is the black cover slid on rear of each cartridge used in the video threaded to place any size cartridge correctly into the pressure chamber? I did not see or hear anything concerning this. Thank you! COJ in Colorado

[@AlternateArmsSD]

Hey man, they are still threaded at this point. However, I suspect that the solstice will not be threaded in the future. However, there are going to be advantages to both launchers.

[@ClintonJohnson-qu5cv]

Thanks John, I did not realize that the Grimberg system used the threaded cartridges. How much more expensive are those. Can they be bought on Amazon or ??

[@darnelldumas1879]

You mos def give the Unk/family vibes lol 👍🏾

[@AlternateArmsSD]

Thanks man! Thats me in a nutshell :)

[@MultiSkyman1]

I bet anything, Byrna is going to come out with a launcher to battle it out with the Gavle and Pistelle!!! Jon, my take on Byrna is their launchers are really about firing pepper balls, not kinetic rounds, but now maybe feel pushed to come up with a heavy hitting kinetic launcher?

[@AlternateArmsSD]

@@MultiSkyman1 Yeah Byrna seems to be very adamant about staying sub30J for kinetic defense. Still, it’s going to be an interesting year for them… stay tuned!

[@coachroscoe4328]

You are the reason I have what I have in my house😅

[@victorwright2017]

i stand corrected i want the solstice

[@AlternateArmsSD]

I want them both :-) I suspect that the car will actually be a tad more powerful than a solstice just based on our conversation conversations, but I can either confirm nor deny that :-)

[@lizkatari]

Is the volumiser the same as the expansion air valve from last year? If so will those of us that have been on the waiting list from last year be the first to be notified of being able to get them? Also when will their round ball mags be available? I’ve been on the waiting list for those too from last year. PS-great content and love the new Grimberg stuff especially the solstice

[@RoscoeCummings-s4q]

So mad at becoming you said you would do it live but I looove you

[@AlternateArmsSD]

Hehe Man the internet there was BAD...we tried one but it just didnt work out.

[@isghaakjattiem5954]

Cool vid

[@AlternateArmsSD]

@@isghaakjattiem5954 Thanks!

[@Qzypt215]

I've been waiting for your video on shot show!! Anything from Umarex? I'm curious if anyone will have anything like the Ripsaw, not just pistols. I know Byrna has the TCR and Mission.. but those are so weak and expensive they're almost ridiculous to even consider buying lol...

[@loganwhite3904]

Umarex will be in P2

[@AlternateArmsSD]

Parts 2 will reveal more ;)

[@glennsammon4465]

I am interested in the Gavle Carry, wonder how many shots it holds and how many you get out of a 8 gram CO2.

[@glennsammon4465]

ok 5 rounds. then I guess the CO2 is out. but it is small so it is good. can always buy 2.

[@AlternateArmsSD]

@@glennsammon4465 yeah, but they’re five extremely powerful shots. That’s one thing about this launcher, they’ve designed it around using every bit of CO2 with the loaded 5 rounds.

[@glennsammon4465]

@ yeah they bwill blow every other launcher away with this especially when the Solstice comes out. I am waiting to see what ypu are not tellying us about Byrna. I hope they upgraded the power on the compact SD/HD or grimberg will blow them away.. you know , you and I are at the beginning of something groundbreaking, like when the first firearm was invented. who knows what they will have 20-30 years from now.

[@thunderrunner666]

29:53 they made a tank, didn't they?

[@AlternateArmsSD]

It was cool!

[@GATORKID51]

Kurt seems like cool dude very chill vibes

[@AlternateArmsSD]

He really is man!

[@Joreel]

And little does Christina know that you're buying her a Grimburg Carry and the muzzle is going to be bedazzled 😮

[@checkitout4740]

Those Grimburgs Look Next Level. Great Video and We Want More.

[@AlternateArmsSD]

@@checkitout4740 It’s coming man :)

[@coachroscoe4328]

You are the man let's talk I have real questions and would love to ask you live I only trust you

[@AlternateArmsSD]

I’ll be doing another live very soon.

[@armada730]

Omfg...the solstice!!!!!!

[@AlternateArmsSD]

@@armada730 mmmhmmmmmmmmm

[@midgetmayhem764]

Do you know if we can buy the volumizer by itself?

[@AlternateArmsSD]

We can indeed! (And I will be) :)

[@Really10801]

The Gavle Carry sounds pretty nice, but I think $649 is not going to work for most people.

[@AlternateArmsSD]

I’d say give them a little time. You know how it works, as production ramps up costs will typically decrease. They are still a very small operation building everything by hand. I have a feeling we should see some change in the near future.

[@robertop.rampon7666]

Have you seen a new less lethal revolver maybe ?

[@AlternateArmsSD]

There are no new ones that I actually saw, but I did discover something interesting for a couple of the ones that we currently have. I have a new video planned on that one here in the near future.

[@blackpowderpapa]

Okay, the solstice looks amazing. I'll definitely have to pick that up, although I'll still be carrying the Gavle for a while afterwards. That Ripsaw is going to be a must-have as well. Love what I'm seeing so far. Your wife did a great job by the way. Tell her she's got a future in show Business.

[@AlternateArmsSD]

@@blackpowderpapa Thanks man! I’ll let her know. :)

[@roddwestphal2379]

Grimburg Soltice and the Carry are both very nice, made in the US, is nice, but that definitely comes with a hefty price.

[@roddwestphal2379]

Byrna is total crap and they will definitely need to step up their game.

[@roddwestphal2379]

I think the increase of joules is really awesome. I'm just worried that LL will get regulated.

[@AlternateArmsSD]

I’m not sure what the solstice will come in at but I know he will be checking out the channel. Perhaps he will jump in.

[@roddwestphal2379]

So let me get this straight. These LL companies are at the largest show and they aren't ready to share their new launchers? Who is in charge of their marketing? Good grief they are missing out.

[@AlternateArmsSD]

@ Thank you!!!! That’s exactly what thought :)

[@deanmuhammad]

Now, I have The Sabre...For The Dollar more bang...But The company and the guy representing is not to competitive... They did not step up to the plate...I was looking forward to seeing them..

[@AlternateArmsSD]

@@deanmuhammad I was too.

[@coachroscoe4328]

But I did think you was doing shot show live 😢

[@AlternateArmsSD]

Hehe we kept trying by couldn’t get a decent signal. That building is crazy big!

[@matthewconlan3234]

they should make byrna shotgun without gunpowder

[@AlternateArmsSD]

I mentioned that as well!

[@loganwhite3904]

Semi-auto as well! Not a fan of their sponge-y triggers

[@JB13827]

For Grimburg Carry: Curious if 12g makes any difference in power versus 8?

[@AlternateArmsSD]

@@JB13827 My guess would be shot count more than power.

[@JB13827]

@@AlternateArmsSDThank you, and for the amazing coverage.

[@nchargeny]

What r the prices of the new grimburg

[@AlternateArmsSD]

@@nchargeny Grimburg will be in the channel tonight or tomorrow to answer that (I don’t want to get it wrong ) :)

[@nchargeny]

@@AlternateArmsSD thanks for all the exciting info you and your family bring onto the channel. Looking forward to all the new stuff for 2025!!!

[@Joreel]

You can check it on their website.

[@YOUNGUNTHELESSLETHALBANDIT]

🫡💯💯💯 she did awesome on her first interview brother great video 📹 lot of good things are coming and on the 🐻 pepperballs "Most people don’t realize that when a bear spray says 2% capsaicinoids, it’s actually talking about a mix of natural capsaicinoids like capsaicin and dihydrocapsaicin. In comparison, 2% PAVA (Pelargonic Acid Vanillylamide) in pepperballs is a synthetic capsaicinoid with similar potency but more consistency. Both deliver serious irritation, but PAVA is specifically designed for stability and effectiveness in dry formulations like pepperballs, while bear spray is a liquid OC aerosol. That said, anything with 2% PAVA or higher would be solid for bear deterrence, especially the 5% PAVA balls from PAVA Shot, which pack even more stopping power. If you’re looking for a less-lethal way to fend off wildlife, those higher-concentration rounds could be a game-changer! It would be great to see a company make pepperballs specifically for bears 🐻, but honestly, any potent pepper round like PAVASHOTS brand will work just fine in a wildlife defense situation." Great video 💯🫡

[@AlternateArmsSD]

Thanks man!

[@chriswedgworth]

Wife did great

[@AlternateArmsSD]

Yes she did!

[@glennsammon4465]

ok I WANT THE SOLSTICE. NO i WANT 2 MAYBE 3. WITH EXTRA MAGS. LOTS OF THEM. AND IT BECOMES MY NEW CARRY GUN.

[@glennsammon4465]

and I can see extened mags and with longer CO2s. they just blew everybody else out of the water.

[@glennsammon4465]

and I can see a shoulder holster ,horizontal carry with a 2 mag pouch on the other side for it. and it is a winner for the security profession.

[@coachroscoe4328]

Dude I hope to be a online guests I have ideas for you as a advisor

[@coachroscoe4328]

Dang it i tried to reply and conversate with someone please lets talk i love hearing nee stuff im 2023 in the less than lethal game i want to be a collector people let's talk

[@vernontyer4421]

I don't understand if you know something why can't you tell us? Is it because you want us to watch more of your videos?

[@AlternateArmsSD]

@@vernontyer4421 They are called NDA’s. There are some things that folks will share with me that I can’t tell folks about until they are announced. It’s a legal and a trust thing.

[@blackpowderpapa]

Okay, I'm in 7 minutes and 50 seconds. It looks like we're about to check out the Solstice, but man, I want to tell you I'm super excited about that Gavle carry. I can't wait to have my hands on it. I believe this is the perfect weapon to carry. I will watch the Solstice, but it will take a lot for me to give up that Gavle Carry as my EDC. I look forward to the rest of this video.

[@AlternateArmsSD]

Wait till tomorrow…. TON to come :)

[@jediknight1294]

I can answer the why on 9+ inch power issues, they've reached the point the air volume in their valve design means they stop accelerating plus the way it refills If paradigm is 80j at the 14g round... That IS lethal at 3 to 5 meters. Penetrating the skull into the brain, permanent brain damage and death, That's a hell of a thing. Things will be interesting With regards to thunder B, if. Yiu want a breakdown of what's the most efficient casing choice for dispersal have a chat with me about it. Iv been using Thunder Bs on and off for the last 12 years in other industries. The BIG thing that matters is the casing you use, the flash bang, the pineapple, the stun grenade forms all have different burst times and volumes for the co2. Can you ask your valken rep about the roscoe? The kinetic rounds are basically the weight of paintball training rounds. The by a stuff, the joys of NDAs and release date blocks are always fun but agonising when you know but aren't allowed to hype it. The Lancer 50cal looks like the HWASAN 50cal 6 rounder, doesn't suprise me given lancer are a rebrander not an OEM.

[@AlternateArmsSD]

I have something coming on the roscoe :) Yeah, the Paradigm volumizer will be available in 3 sizes.. Im thinking the 40J is the sweet spot.

[@jediknight1294]

@AlternateArmsSD yeah, will probably be the most widely used. 80j will be very interesting for Leo work though. If I was still in procurement, if its accurate pitching it to the Israeli police for long range molotov engagement and riot control now the 1022 has been taken off LL status would be an easy sell.

[@kennymaggic6004]

the grimberg carry is $600, solstice gotta be $800......

[@AlternateArmsSD]

I dont think so :)

[@jun17k]

@@AlternateArmsSD looking forward on the Solstice.

[@dougbrodsky3745]

Crazy out of touch prices.