Should 2035 ICE Car Ban Be POSTPONED Forever?

[@PeterHartland]

What really tipped the balance for me was I have had to travel to London for many years to either do photography or attending meetings for the last 20 yrs at the MoD Main building. I noticed as the congestion zone was introduced my snooty nose was less black the following day. Due to be a Critical Worker during the CoVid lockdown I still had to visit London & really noticed due to no cars how clean the air was. This was the tripping point & decided an Electric car was my next car due to be changed in 2021. Since then London has effectively banned non BEV cars & you see mostly BEV & BEV vans in central London. Although I retired last January I still visit London from Hamshire regularly for photography etc & how much better the air quality is.

[@mrmitch5054]

It’s tipped not tripped buddy

[@PeterHartland]

@@mrmitch5054 corrected

[@TerryHickey-xt4mf]

I visited the UK from NZ in June and spent 5 weeks touring from Cornwall to Inverness. Apart from the 5 lane roundabouts! we loved every minute. To end the trip we spent 2 days in London and I agree, there didn't seem to us to be any noticeable pollution, the tour bus we were in was an ev, and so were most of the trad' black London taxis. Quite impressed, and nothing comparable to when I was a kid visiting the Tower in the mid 1950s

[@TerryHickey-xt4mf]

This may be a storm in a teacup anyway, to explain, I live in NZ and have owned an ev for over 2 years, simply because it is so much cheaper to run, I charge from home, and it has a 7 year warranty. With our business vehicles however it is a different matter -- no ev alternatives for our Ranger pick ups, and no ev alternatives for our LDV delivery vans. To my mind these areas are more important for our future than our family car. When ev versions do arrive, we will be able to refuel the vehicles with NZ made electrons, and therefor reduce our reliance on overseas energy supplies. In our business, we chalk up a lot more k's (miles), and imported diesel costs a fortune here. The sooner we have a suitable cost of ownership ev choice the better, and it will definitely happen well before 2035. In China, these type of vehicles are already available right now. We are in theory in a better situation than the UK, as there are no tariffs and we are close to China geographically as well, which by the way is our major trading partner, which helps.

[@geoffclements269]

Just to be clear, I've been an EV owner since 2019, I currently have two EVs and I'm perfectly happy with them but I'm going to play Devil's advocate. The reason ICE owners don't want us to buy EVs is because if enough of us do it, ICE vehicles will become niche, more expensive, with fewer choices. Also, fuel will not be as easily available. The real fear is that they will end up with no choice. Well, that's my take, I may be wrong.

[@0ooTheMAXXoo0]

Everyone already wants an EV, some just do not know it yet...

[@sushiginger444]

@@0ooTheMAXXoo0I really, really don’t. The same as any sane person who can’t charge at home.

[@paulweston1106]

Listening to a lot of the arguments I am not that sure that many of the vocal anti-EV people even care that much about cars and would have no practical issue owning /driving an EV, their real outrage is at the thought of the government telling them what they can and can't do. If it weren't EV they would probably be raging about something else. The people with genuine concerns such as having nowhere to charge often aren't vocally anti-EV, rather they just express their concerns about how EV could be made to work for them.

[@paulweston1106]

@@sushiginger444 Would your view change if public charging was quicker and cost about the same as either petrol/diesel or even better cost about the same as home charging. Do you really fall into the "don't want EV" category or are you in the category of people who don't see how EV could work practically for you, because I think these are two different categories of people with the former group at least being rational.

[@sushiginger444]

@@paulweston1106 for the foreseeable future I don’t want, full stop. Parity in fuel cost, range and fuelling convenience is the start point. Depreciation at the moment is a huge negative. There are issues of fire safety in terms of parking underground, car and buildings insurance, ferries etc that need time to become clearer. I also object to government telling me what I can and can’t do directly or indirectly in terms of vehicle choice, punitive rules about who can drive or park where or how much it’s going to cost me etc. I have no objection to a bit of encouragement but don’t tell us what to do! Let the market decide.

[@crm114.]

It will make no difference, the tipping point to EV adoption has already been crossed.

[@ianrob4760]

yep and there are no new ice models coming out at all, all we see are updated models and most legacy bringing out new EV's quickly

[@sushiginger444]

@@ianrob4760 yep we are headed for a Cuba scenario. I made an enquiry a couple of months ago about changing my year old X5 diesel for a new X5 V8 petrol as my last ICE car to keep for 10 years. Dealer was less than helpful once he realised he couldn’t persuade me into an EV. Will try again in the new year and see if anyone wants my £100,000.

[@John-p7i5g]

No it hasn't yet. 20% is the inflection point of the S curve.

[@crm114.]

⁠@@John-p7i5g5% of new car sales is perceived to be the key milestone.

[@Un-Apologetic]

Tipping point ? BEVs make up 3.9% of all cars and will never exceed 10%.

[@davidreece1642]

Your question: I think the fear is that an EV will be forced on them rather than be their choice, particularly if they cannot home charge. They don't want that and thus object to the concept of EVs generally. So any increase in EVs could be closer to mandatory EVs, which would be a major problem for them ( I have a Kona EV)

[@oliver90owner]

I very much doubt I will buy another EV. The one I have at present will last me out, I expect, with another 12-15 years of use. The one thing I will not do is purchase another car with an ICE. Ever.

[@Sp_75-76]

No worry about depreciation then.🤗

[@oliver90owner]

@ Quite right. I knew when I bought it that new prices would fall. For us, a different car was a necessity so I chose to go full EV, from a diesel Pogo 607, in March ‘22. Tried a smaller car but insufficient space, so bought this model. No range anxiety, it’s been ultra reliable and all this year It has been charged either from a 7kW home charger or (occasionally) less using the granny charger. Next year, solar charging the car will account for more savings (not much more as it is already remarkably cost-efficient).

[@reiniernn9071]

@@oliver90owner Same for me....But I also calculated that buying an ICE would cost me every year 6000 euro MORE to run the car (energy prices, road taxes , maintenance for 30000 km/year). This means that deprecation is irrelevant because in 10 years I saved the whole investment in the EV back in lower running costs. (More explicit...I made my first calculations, in that year WITH government benefits, in 2013. Buying a leaf saved me in 8 years (yes not full ev driving due to lack of infra structure in those days...payed for that inconvinience with lower taxes) 60000 euro. This is the comparing costs if I had bought in that year a next new ICE car same sized as that leaf. Calculated as a good busines man in TCO of coarse (which includes tax differences) This 60000 , yes indeed saved up, bought me my ioniq 5. In next 10 years I have again those 60000 saved (or more). But after 10 years I expect that (corrected for inflation) my next EV will be much cheaper.

[@leswhitehouse]

​@@oliver90ownerCould I ask what EV you chose?

[@oliver90owner]

@ You can, but I’ll leave you to guess.

[@feistyferret4204]

Just before Christmas I came across your channel and have been watching quite a few of your previous productions. I think this episode is the best and most enjoyable one I have seen. We changed our car a year ago and could not afford an EV that met our needs, so we went down the hybrid route again with a Toyota. A year on and prices have come down, batteries, charging stations and range are improved and I am better eductated too! Will be another 2 or 3 years before we are likely to start seriously thinking about another car, but an EV will definitely be the most likely result. Thanks for your informative videos.

[@Jaw0lf]

Well said Dave, the wheels are already well in motion for EV's and they are no too big for anyone to stop. The change in China is proof of that to me.

[@brianevans8127]

You buy what ever floats your boat. Personally I would like to see the ban back to 2030 but it's probably too late to change again, cheers Tories!! Come on people wake up and smell the coffee, the future is electric. Cheers, by the by Happy New Year!

[@GruffSillyGoat]

The ban for vanilla-ICE is set to 2030, the consultation underway is about how the automakers can meet the ZEV mandate and what hybrid vehicles (phevs, revs or hevs, most likely revs) will be allowed to be sold betrween 2030 and 2035. On the ZEV mandate Labour have stated they will not remove the mandate as it's already primary legilsation and will require an act of parliment to disolve the policy. However, they are willing to tweak the underlying rules, probably change the level of conversions (from low CO2 credit's of hybrids to ZEV credits) allowed and relax the rules around borrowing from future year sales, so that planned sales from nearer 2030 can called down upon now. Possibly also tweaking the penalty levels to be phased-in more softly in the mandates early years.

[@xperyskop2475]

They shouldn't have been banned. Painfull new increasing of fuel duty would be sufficient. If someone is willing to pay £5 per litre to drive around, let them .

[@michaelmcnally2331]

I would suggest an ICE permit scheme, similar to my work car scheme is. You are expected to have an EV unless can show why not practical. So for people that have drives, can fit a home charger then expected to get an EV and people where cannot charge at home or not practical for other reasons and can show why then can get an ICE car. Car dealers have been pushing EV as last year when was shopping then toured, VW, Mazda, Volvo, Hyundai, Jag, Nissan, Renault and all tried to interest me in EV so the sales people are trying to sell EV initially. Simple explanation that live in first floor flat with parking bay other side of a road and they understood that EV just not practical for me. Checking Census in UK then a growing number of people living in flats which less likely to have home charging capability so this is a potentially growing issue, not an issue that will sort itself out. I would have an EV if was practical Range - with a Model Y LR then could 90-95% of journeys could reach out and back on full charge and when I have been upto scotland then whenever stopped would ALWAYS have been able to get on a charger at the services that stopped at. I have no issue with range. Repairability - Authorised Tesla Repair Centre 30 min in car from me. - No Problem Cost - last car was Audi A5 Sportback Edition 1 - previous to that was Golf GTI and Passat GT Estate (at same time) that not an issue. Charging - where becomes and issue - Tesco 11kw chargers with 3 hour limit www.smarthomecharge.co.uk/vehicles/tesla/model-y-long-range/ says 10 hours to fully charge the Model Y LR on 7Kw charger so a few journeys and leave the car there. 10 min walk home and back each time and 44p a unit Or supercharger at 79p (65p with subscription) where about a 30 min wait. For car is drive through Tesco Petrol Station on way out after shopping and 5 mins stop whilst pop in card, then fuel up and drive off. twice a week so if none available do next time. What needs to happen is sort out so home charging is available to all, as in domestic rate overnight charging where your car is parked.

[@simonreeves2017]

Hi Dave, greetings from Oxford. Brave video! I got my BEV in 2019, very happy with my decision. However I am fortunate enough to live in a bungalow with a driveway and charging at home is easy for me. At present there is an inherent inequality to BEV adoption because many people do not have the ability to charge at home; perhaps they rent their home and their landlord will not agree to install a charger, perhaps they have complicated parking for their car away from their home. This inequality needs to be addressed. Combustion cars are more equitable at present, because irrespective of where you live, you have the same access to the fueling infrastructure. Inequality will always produce some level of resentment.

[@chrishar110]

A friend bought a Tesla few months earlier. He saw my BMW i3 and asked me a lot of quastions about EVs, the cost, about charging etc. He rents, he parks at the street and doesn't have any dedicated parking spot. he makes 200 miles every week. His old diesel needed about 13 liters of fuel every week, around £27. We checked with my BMW how much energy it needs (not as efficient as a Tesla) and checked the prices of the chargers in the area. He decided to buy that used Tesla and now, in the wrost conditions, in the winter and preheating the car before he gets in, he needs maximum 55-60Kwh and he ussually charges at a Tesla supercharger at 42p/Kwh once every week and it costs him £20-25. Every second Saturday he parks at my home, we go for beers or a dinner with our wives, they sleep at my home and he adds 10-20 Kwh at 6p/Kwh, so he cuts the cost even more. So, he paid a lot of money to buy a 4 years old car but he got rid of his old diesel and he has a very nice casr with features that his old diesel didn't have. He wanted to replace it anyway, so he had to spend that money even if it was an ICE car. Now he saves £5 every week from fuel, and he saves even more £3-500 every year just from servise, oil changes, filters etc. He wants to rent another house, with a driveway, to charge at home. He will save at least £20 every week.

[@simonreeves2017]

@ Hi, my BEV is also a BMW i3. I love mine. I wish the ride was a bit more forgiving, and the back doors can be a pain, but overall it’s perhaps the best car I’ve ever owned.

[@Barry-l1x]

@@simonreeves2017 I charge from home using a 13A outside EV socket installed myself for a cost of £110.00. Charging on a overnight cheap rate of 6.9 pence per kWh. From 12.00 to 7.00am cost around £1.50 to put on 50 to 60 miles per night depending on temperature, that’s 350 to 400 miles per week. Not many people need an expensive charger.

[@chrishar110]

@@simonreeves2017 i3 is not a 4 door car, it is a two door + a small help from the half rear suicide ones to help people get in and out easier. I have it two years, I want a Tesla for long journeys 200+miles but I don't want to sell it. The funny thing I did one long journey the last 10 years and it was with that i3, for a football match, 700 miles from Wigan to Aberdeen and back in 18 hours.

[@paulbuckingham15]

As long as BEV public chargepoint refuelling costs no more than ICE and there is sufficient local public charging to easily charge when required, those without home charging shouldn't be concerned that others might have it cheaper. I am sure they may have some things that others don't / can't. It's impossible to have everybody always have exactly the same.

[@chrisayles7694]

Thanks again Dave, for your thorough research and clear presentation

[@harryadam1671]

Just to clear something up. In science - a theory is established and accepted after multiple tests and independent studies which all confirm the same thing. That thing - is called a hypothesis.

[@adrianupnorth]

Well said - one of your best videos Dave

[@Pete-rf6zz]

EVs are great and keep Improving year on year ❤

[@amigang]

As a liberal, I never like the gov to ban things. But I think tax them slowly out of reach / where they don’t make sense anymore would have been a better way to deal with it. Let’s say just add 2% extra tax on ice cars every year from now. So by 2030, 10% extra tax would be added, by 2035, 20% etc the money raised could be used to run Scrapage policy for the worst cars on the road now.

[@sushiginger444]

Or even better, just **** off and let people do what they want you control freaks. Uk emissions are so tiny it doesn’t matter and your EVs are produced from Chinese coal and African slave labour and shipped over on diesel boats. It’s a joke.

[@paulhetherington969]

I bought my EV 2 years ago, and got excited when I saw another green number plate. 2 years later and they are commonplace. I agree, the tipping point has already been reached. I don’t bother getting into arguments with the ICE experts anymore. I just know that I can travel 250 miles in comfort for around £4. The only argument I ever heard that I can’t counter is that they don’t go ‘brum brum’.

[@paulbuckingham15]

Some can actually do that now and do 'gear changes' eg the Ioniq 5 N.

[@colinrobinson7869]

Altruism yes we all know that it's a bit left of centre and tree hugging but at 63 years young my wife and I look at the young citizens aroud us and believe they need better life/health chances than we had and just ask your self about your grand children ,ours is 6 mouths old and what a mucking fuddle of a planet are we leaving to them. Please look into the mirror with a clear conscience.

[@Wacko2-wrx]

ICE vehicles shouldn’t be banned but restricted from being used in certain situations to reduce city vehicle pollution. EV power at this stage cannot replace ICE tow vehicles, trucks, agricultural equipment, military vehicles and excavation machinery without substantial inconvenience. In remote areas where charging infrastructure is non existent fuel must be carried. The circumstances under which many of these vehicles operate require 24 hour non stop operation which may justify hydrogen power such as JCB are trialling. Whatever happens going forward EV growth will impact on ICE fuel prices which will rise as volumes reduce and infrastructure changes to accommodate EV charging. Additionally governments will need to add taxes to EV’s somehow to replace the lost taxes currently on ICE fuel.

[@NeillTurner]

The problem for legacy auto is all that needs to happen is for people to keep driving there existing ice cars rather than getting a new one

[@barrymurton8988]

Well said Dave.

[@chrisayles7694]

Thanks again Dave, for your thorough research and clear presentation. Here is Aus our federal government is very beholden to the fossil fuel lobby and slow to even bring in half decent emissions targets

[@solentbum]

That was one of your better Videos. I was five years ahead of you in going EV, but even back then the writing was on the wall for 19th century cars. So many companies doing a Kodak!

[@MrDAVIDATKIN]

I agree with you Dave although I wouldn't blame just legacy auto, big oil needs to take a lot of the blame. Bring the 2030 ban back. Have a great new year!

[@davidbeppler3032]

Should the Gov subsidize buying new ICE? Unless they do, nobody will be able to afford them. EVs cost less to produce, drive, and own than ICE, also last longer than ICE, and are safer than ICE. Unless the Gov starts giving ICE away, no company will be mass producing them in 2030.

[@timoliver8940]

Correct me if I’m wrong but I thought that the Great Smog of 1952 was caused by everyone having coal fires to heat their offices and homes - the avaregae person in London in the 1950’s couldn’t afford to buy a car back then. It was sulphur particles from burning coal trapped low in the atmosphere by a high pressure area over the Thames basin that made the air toxic to breath. This was why smokeless zones were introduced into all UK cities and towns. It was before my time - I’m a 1956 baby that is an EV driver and a modern diesel owner too.

[@simonreeves2017]

Hi, yes, I agree with you about the British city smogs of the 1950’s - they were mainly caused by burning coal. I think Dave was using this as an example, rather than a definitive reason. More recently we have seen similar air pollution issues in less developed countries, I believe it was Deli in India in 2024 where people were asked to stay inside and schools were closed due to excessive air pollution - and that was a combination of local industries and vehicle fumes.

[@casperhansen826]

They might as well change it to 2030 since 99% of new cars will be EVs by then, most used cars will be EVs as well, my guess is 70%-95% It works more like a warning towards the auto makers to get their shit together and produce some appealing EVs at a reasonable price

[@andyemmpee3037]

Very well thought out and presented video Dave. It's similar imho to Tesla Jigsaw's vid about the Nimbys stopping battery storage. Society does not like change and those who think they are affected by you getting another EV say so because they'd rather moan and whine about stuff they (in their narrow minded view) can't have. They may say they don't want one but the truth is it's more they don't want you to have one because who do you think you are etc. Well done Dave and Jonas.

[@greghall7887]

Did you just say Governments are not stupid?....... Wow! Good luck.

[@Banyan314]

Idea to hypothesis. Test the hypothesis, peer assessment of results, if found to be statistically feasible, the hypothesis moves to become a theory that remains open to challenge as new evidence emerges.

[@wayned3375]

What we could really do with in the uk is a Ev charging cable linked into most lampposts cables would run from the base to the curb under the pavement to a bollard pole outlet as this would solve the problem that most people don’t have off the road parking in the uk most streets do have lampposts though these lampposts could be equipped with proper solar panels on each one so instead of ulez maybe councils could make some money from charging people for the electricity they use from such a lamppost for competitive rates as they could charge the cars during the night where the council would get preferencial rates that they could pass on to their residents by charging their cars at around £5 a time like this video states if the councils use a green energy company then they also make sure net zero goals are closer to be coming reality

[@sushiginger444]

Nice theory but the problems are so vast and numerous with this and I don’t have all day to go through them. Safety, cost and capacity would be the first 3 I’d discuss.

[@paulweston1106]

@@sushiginger444 Sounds very much like the connected kerb approach which is already in place in some areas.

[@jgtalbot789]

No although the ban was put back to 2035 the requirements on manufacturer's weren't so hopefully the UK government will put the 2030 back in place. China is turning out EVs at a huge rate so any slow down in the transition means an even greater technological and energy advantage for them.

[@TerryHickey-xt4mf]

this is the thing that gets me, surely everyone can see what China has achieved in the renewable sector in the last few years, it is like the west is watching a tidal wave approach and is just standing there.

[@Banyan314]

Anybody who wants to drive an ICE car after 2030 can do so. They will simply not be able to drive a new one. As most cars have a workable life expectancy of about 15 years, there will still be drivable ICE cars on the road in 2045 and beyond. Most of the folk that are so adamant about ICE car driving and ownership will be pretty old by then and, without a very good pension, will not be able to afford to drive one. We all make choices, we all have a responsibility to our families and others, and sometimes those choices are tough ones.

[@chrishar110]

There will be a new genaration of drivers till then that will be familiar with EVs. All the drivers that are above 55 now, won't drive anymore, at least, not every day. Drivers that are over 35-40 now and don't like EVs will keep their old ICE cars for as long as they can maintain them. At 2050 when these cars will be over 15 years old the owners will be over 60-65.

[@rayjones9231]

One word. Jealousy!!!

[@evostu7814]

Older cars produce far more pollution & yet these are being exempt from the huge increases to VED rates, I know plenty of people now that are just going to hold onto there old pre 2017 diesels, you just get penalised for buying a newer cleaner one.

[@paulweston1106]

Do you not think that the next phase in the process will be to make emissions targets for existing vehicles ever stricter so that more older cars are forced off the road either because they can't technically be made compliant or are too expensive to be made compliant. I'm sure I read somewhere that this was what they were doing in California.

[@GruffSillyGoat]

VED is a mixture of taxation and social policy, such older cars tend to be purchased and run by those for whom the tax take already represents a major percentage of their income. If the tax on older cars is increased it will disproportionately impact those less well off within society. However, at the same time these older cars are worsening the country's population health and increasing the tax burden by increasing demands placed on the NHS. A balance needs to be struck between disincentivising purchasing or removing older, polluting, cars from the roads and not placing the burden for such on those least able to afford the impact. Perhaps a measure to acheive such is rather than increasing taxation on the older cars that instead to progressively tighten the MOT emission rules to automatically fail vehicles producing above a limit defined. If this is done progressively overtime, particularly once 2nd/3rd hand EV's stock levels increase, then both the lower costs of running an EV and the tightening rules on emissions will drive out the more polluting ICE vehicles. If this is then coupled with an ICE car scrappage scheme that replaces an old car with EVs targetting those less able to afford to purchase a replacement used car, then it will have greater impact than just increasing VED alone.

[@mr4kids.866]

@@paulweston1106remeber the wave of Japanese cars in the UK. They are right hand drive and have very strict emission laws. So we ended up with loads of imported 3-4 year old Japanese 2nd hand cars. It will happen here too. We will also see smart meters that will charge duty on any electricity going to a EV. Also I would imagine we will also get a generating tax for solar and or battery storage. In thing you cannot argue against is government will always get their money. Increases VED covers the first 10-15% transition to EV but with VAT and duty on fuel coming to nearly 70% the cost of a ltr where do you think that lost revenue will come from? If you have a driveway get a EV charger now even if you don’t have a EV. You may eventually get phased into the new TAX but once they announce it and new EV charger will need a monitor to collect “fuel” duty.

[@paulweston1106]

@@mr4kids.866 Smart metering wouldn't specifically know that you were charging an EV so taxing at the electric meter is not easy. For anyone who does less than 50 miles a day a charger plugged into a standard 3-pin socket will be enough to top up every day so even installing smart chargers wouldn't guarantee a higher tax on EV charging. It is much more likely that we will see some form of per-mile taxation to replace lost fuel duty. Per-mile road pricing would be perceived to be a fairer approach and would be like the current fuel duty system which effectively collects more tax the more you drive. I don't doubt for one minute that driving an EV will become more expensive if/when ICE really starts to get phased out.

[@TerryHickey-xt4mf]

You could also argue, that keeping an old car on the road is less polluting than making a brand new one to replace it. Also keep in mind not all people can afford a new car.

[@chrissy5890]

I have had my EV for almost 12 months and absolutely love it for many reasons, including health and running costs. However, what I don't like is ICE car drivers that try to bully me on the road ... trying to overtake me on roundabouts, overtaking when it is not safe, etc.

[@karlhulme8014]

There are idiots on both sides, these people have always existed. I’ve encountered Tesla drivers who treat every traffic light as a drag strip.

[@Barry-l1x]

Dave, you did not mention the fines legacy auto’s face. I for one don’t want to see a world with only a choice between Tesla and the Chinese. Some legacy will go, but pressure needs to be reduced so some will survive. I am an EV owner and would never go back.

[@0ooTheMAXXoo0]

Less pressure on old car makers will let them fall further behind, it will not help them catch up... Demand for EVs has been happening way faster than any laws is forcing things...

[@paulweston1106]

They are in an adapt or die situation. The problem too many legacy manufacturers have is that they have just taken existing models and shoved EV workings into them when they should have really been developing specific EV platforms. They have also continued to push their ICE offerings, presumably because this is more profitable for them. I personally agree that the fines should be scrapped but only on the understanding that 2030 is the hard date for ICE sales and that any manufacturer with stock at that point won't be able to sell them in the UK. It would give them the certainty they need without having to throw money at fines. Legacy auto would have to make a choice, they either comply or withdraw from the UK. Setting the date at 2030 wouldn't really give any new government that could be elected in 2029 enough time to overturn the ban, and manufacturers would be committed at that point.

[@alexco5881]

No, the fines are necessary. Some legacy automakers made 'compliance cars' which their sales teams did everything to avoid selling. The executives responsible need to go, and that requires shareholders to sack them. The auto industry has a long history of failing. The Ford Pinto design flaw was not recalled because Ford calculated lawsuits would cost less than the recall. Luckily judges awarded huge damages to punish Ford and warn industry. Ford didn't go broke. VW cheated emission tests and got heavily fined. VW did not go broke.

[@huwjones5879]

EV depreciation? I've recently been getting insurance quotes for my Tesla Model 3 AWD dual motor, the value for insurance purposes quoted by the insurance companies has gone up from last year, policy quotes have gone down.

[@paulweston1106]

It does look to be an issue for some cars at least. Take a look at a 3-year-old Peugeot model on used car sites. When new, the EV version is around £8k more than the ICE version, at 3 years they have pretty much reached price parity. This is going to be good news for people buying in the secondhand market but not so much for the first owner who has paid more and lost more.

[@ianblyth8760]

There was the example of lead in petrol. Although they found that the lead was harming and even killing same people it took for years for petrol companies to get lead removed. Just on getting rid of pollution would get my vote to move to EVs. Never mind reducing climate change. For these people that had an EV and said they would not have another I would be interested In their reasons. Is it something in general to all EVs or was it the particular brand and model?

[@paulbuckingham15]

For me it's pretty much the reducing the exhaust pipe pollution that sells it. I bought in 2022 (when the car markets economics were out of the ordinary) as my previous ICE car kicked the bucket that year, so I'm probably slightly down money wise (all in) v buying an ICE at that time. If I decide to change next Sept (2025), I'd do much better on the economics. Charging at home has been way more convenient than going to a fuel station (its done whilst I am asleep). Occasional charging at public chargeponts has never incurred any additional time as it has always been done whilst I was doing something else that I would have been doing anyway. The driving experience is much more pleasant in the EV than in my previous ICE cars.

[@livingladolcevita7318]

Just thought I would add and I don't think you mentioned it Dave but the cost thing will become increasingly irrelevant year by year as more second hand ev's come to the market, and yes you choosing an ev doesn't affect me to my knowledge. I wonder how many i.c.e owners would take up a scrappage scheme if offered by the Government. I might be tempted.

[@StephenButlerOne]

I agree with alot of these points. But the iPhone was a bad example. Strangely enough the iphone is more expensive now than it was at launch. It was 499usd, which today would be about 750 usd. Today the latest iPhone starts at 799 and goes up to about 1200+ usd. I used usd as the iphone was first released there. The iphone was actually cheaper than the then current top and most popular "smart phones" of the time. The Nokia N95 which stated at 770usd, (there was a more expensive 8gb model avalible). So the iphoen was a third cheaper (or 250 usd) than its compitition it was aimed at. The other compitition was the blackberry bold 9700, its hard to find a retail price for that as it seems you could only get it in america on a 24 months contract with a 200usd down payments. So id say it was more expensive than the nokia. Blackberry was hiding thr 9700s actuall price. But if we calculate for the cost of money over time that 200 usd down payment in 2010 is about 280 usd today. An iPhone today will cost you anything form 0 to about £60 today on a 24 month contract. Its amazing that us of a certsin age seem to remember thr iphone as being really expensive, i did too until a few months back, when some one pointed this out, so i went and did some digging. I was quite surprised of my findings as phones are the one area in tech that have actually bucked moores law. But in realty moores law also ended with the Pentium 4 arond 2004, intel ( amd, arm SD etc...) just hacked it by adding more cores instead of exponentially growing (shinkijg the die to grow) each core. So we still get more power to the pound today, but not becaue of moores original law (theory). However, you are correct about the costs in batteries, as we are at the start to midpoint of the "moores" cycle, and manufacturing processes constantly evolve to bring prices cheaper on thr build side. Its the concentration on the evolution of cost cutting by the teaditional oems is what have found them in the position they are in. No ice car has the quality of of mid 2000s ice car, if you compare evey segment against the same ones today. A 100k range rover is cheaper inside today, that one from 20 years ago for example. What they should have been doing is evolving their tech and fabrication processs and not devolving quality for profits. Its lead them down a dead end. China realised 20 years ago they couldn't build ice cars as good as germany so they went all in on EV, that and the Chinese government mandated they wanted to go EV as they dont have access to their own oil, and wanted to be more energy independent, not as relient on expernal nations oil. They have coal (if a dirty), they can do nuclear, and they are all in on solar now, they have the market cornered. So they are quite well set up as a nation moving forward. Especally now they have brics and the belt and road initiative up and running. They have been playing chess for 30 years, while the west havent figuured out checkers yet. If you got this far, thank you and sorry for going on.

[@blobstrom]

Great video Dave. Thank you

[@chalaischiot]

When it comes to batteries no one points out that Toyota launched the Pruis in 1997, and there are plenty of 20-year-old Prius cars available for under £2000 secondhand. I will be surprised if any of the Legacy manufacturers will be making ICE vehicles by 2035. They are increasing the price of ICE vehicles in 2025 to make EVs more attractive. They now realise with the Chinese entering the European market that they are in serious trouble, and they need EVs for the Global South market where they used to make 50% of their profits. By 2035 range anxiety will reverse, if the Supermarkets are not making a profit from carbon fuels then they will close that part of their operations. They are all starting to put in chargers, and that will accelerate. BP and Shell are closing filling stations and converting them to Charging Hubs. I live in the South East and 5 years ago when I first leased an EV, I didn't see other EVs. Today it is different, they are everywhere. I guess that in another 5 years due to economies of scale EVs will be 50% cheaper than ICE cars, which will be more expensive for not having the economies of scale. We will look back on 2025 as the tipping point year.

[@dannyhunn8752]

I believe that petrol is cheaper than it would be at the moment because of decreasing demand a result of EVs the problem comes when the cost of manufacture and supply becomes a disproportionate amount relative to amount sold. So the effects of our EV ownership is cheaper fuel.

[@xperyskop2475]

Yes, fuel duty should have another pollution tax on it. Let's say an extra 10p every year for another 30 years

[@victorsvoice7978]

Anyone who wants to buy a new big ice car should pay more in taxes. Small ice cars are alright. Changing to electric cars wouldn't cause problems. If they were affordable. But greedy manufacturers and governments rob consumers. How can it cost more to make an electric car? If the electric car has fewer parts?

[@mikeyf7797]

Wouldn't have an ev given stick with my 34 year old ice car still going strong

[@simonoakley5102]

No but add another 10 years so vw ect ect dont have to rush as thats where they are going wrong .they need to partner up with big technology companies and get it right

[@csp6]

Maybe just say allow X mpg to be sold, with a co2 limit as well, then if the tech is there they can sell still them. Government is there to force some things that the market won't do by itself, to the general benefit of society. Reducing air pollution is fair enough, especially in built up areas.

[@bigfluffytowels]

Having just endured 90mins of ICE drivers (especially filthy diesels) revving the nuts off their cold engines all whilst wipers going at full pelt across the frozen windscreen..... I know who the experts are. Cough cough cough. As an aside the ACC issue is a theory whereas pollution is not. Attention needs to be drawn to the harm of diesel engines and oil burning in general.

[@michaeledwards8079]

if the government want us to go green, why impose punitive import taxes, my EV is £12000 in New Zealand, but £32500 in the UK, WHY, this high price is what is stopping EV adoption, I lease mine and is now 14 months old and WBAC value of £10500, the hit is on the lease company

[@sparky6996]

It's a like for like economy I think so let's say US $40K is £40K equivalent but it's not due to rate of exchange. Plus UK tax. Completely unfair.

[@lordthomasmacrae9963]

Why is Somerset so poor and lacking good charging points as nothing on A303

[@richardhenshall4709]

I was under the impression that labour has brought it forward from 2035 to 2030

[@paulweston1106]

They put it out to consultation on Christmas Eve.

[@GruffSillyGoat]

@@paulweston1106 - Interestingly the consultation is not seeking to change primary policy rather the technical implementation rules behind the policy. More specifically seeking to review the ways the automakers can achieve the 2030 date, what role hybrids will have between the 2030 and 2035 dates, as well as what changes to the ZEV mandate trading mechanisms (rather than thresholds) can be undertaken to make the targets more achiveable and penalty level sufficiently punative for the automakers. The consultations, for cars, has a two month time span which would allows it's outcome to be factored into the spring mini-budget if required. Once the changes are rolled out the automakers cannot then claim the ZEV mandate is unfair like they have this year, eventhough still hitting the ZEV mandate target, as they have been involved in the process to derive any revised ZEV mandate delivery rules.

[@paulweston1106]

@GruffSillyGoat My reading of it was that if there is enough "legitimate" push back from manufacturers the government may look to use it to push back the crucial date to 2035 and to save face they would claim that they didn't want to damage the industry any more than necessary. I could be wrong on my "reading between the lines" though. If the government did drop the 2030 date there is no guarantee they will be around to implement a later date so it will be interesting to see what happens. Regardless of the consultation process, the legacy manufacturers will still complain and point fingers if they don't get what they want.

[@sparky6996]

I didn't know this. They changed their minds again 😂😂😂😂

[@johnharcombe9412]

People will do anything for money…..

[@narrowboatlongpod4176]

The legacy auto manufacturers have a really big problem as one of their main markets, China, has gone and, as you say, will never come back. China is now massively into EVs, helped by inviting Tesla to build there, and now produce more EVs than the domestic market can absorb. They are going to sell them wherever they can and the UK is an obvious target as we encourage (at the moment) free trade. BYD is the most likely company to carve a slice of the market although SAIC already sell loads of MG4s and Geely a few Volvos. Whilst people may be wary of a brand they've never heard of, if the price is right (and it probably is) then it's a done deal. Charging at home is a real game changer for most people. We do need supermarkets and retail parks to offer affordable charging for those that can't charge at home. I know this was happening before the energy crisis but is now needs some government incentive to really get it moving again (with rapid chargers). Public charging away from home is definitely good enough and, if you only use it occasionally, price isn't really an issue. It's going to happen!

[@steven-pk7nl]

Don't worry, we will all be nearly TOAST due to atmospheric overheating by 2035.

[@OldSonyMan]

@@steven-pk7nl "how dare you ?"

[@Un-Apologetic]

Can we see some proof of this 4 minute charge please ? How many kWs did it charge in this 4 minutes ?

[@karlhulme8014]

If it’s true then that means that filling a petrol tank in ANY and ALL petrol cars is about the same as the EV world record.

[@Un-Apologetic]

@@karlhulme8014 absolutely. I can charge my Hybrid in 4 minutes. But it only adds 3% charge. This channel seems to spout ridiculous figures that end up being fact checked wrong.

[@karlhulme8014]

@ I think you’re right.

[@greghall7887]

Experts. Have the icecaps actually melted yet? Oh, and those things were safe and effective.

[@rugbygirlsdadg]

​@@greghall7887the ice caps are actually shrinking.... Fact.

[@ogriboy]

The largest polluter is commercil flying including holiday travel it is equal and more to motoring but is never addressed or penalised like the motorist. It's things like this that show a bias directed at general public freedoms and are more easily hoodwinked. We have already seen the idiocy of mind boggling net zero costs and financial load to the public in this new Milliband era. Ev's are great but they mask a smoke and mirrors government policy. As for your question as to why others may comment on your car purchase to EV you have described it perfectly 'they are costly but you can afford it', they can't tow', 'they are slow to fuel up', 'they have safety issues regarding fire and cell failure' ' massive devaluation that only suits the company purchase etc which is why your car is 10 years old. That's fine if YOU and I want to go down that road but soon the choice for others who can't for any of the reasons stated, purchase and EV is being removed by legislation and that's the fundamental difference which causes resentment to what your/my purchase represents.

[@stevetodd7383]

I’m not sure where you got your data from, but Climate Watch list Transport as producing 8B tonnes of CO2 per year, whereas Aviation and Shipping combined come in at about 1B tonnes. No, aviation isn’t anything like the largest polluter, and even so the aircraft industry is aiming at net zero also.

[@ogriboy]

@@stevetodd7383 my data was from 'science focus study group' with no bias. The aircraft industry maybe moving in the right direction, the difference is as I pointed out it is not on a penalty based time line like the motoring industry or motorist..

[@MrDAVIDATKIN]

Not true while flying is undoubtedly a contributor it is not as much as road traffic. Commercial flights contributes about 2-3% of the worlds emissions while road traffic is about 10%. That said flying needs to do its bit just as much as the motorist does.

[@TerryHickey-xt4mf]

I think you got your info a bit wrong there, I was under the impression Aviation contributes about 3% and I can assure you transport is a lot more than that.

[@karlhulme8014]

While all us ‘little people ‘ argue amongst ourselves….. Bill Gates flies all over the world. Obama buys a multi million $ home directly on the waterfront. Taylor Swift flies one her private jets almost every day. John Kerry the US ‘ climate czar’ is forced to admit he owned a private jet under his wife’s name. China builds coal power stations like there’s no tomorrow. yeah…..my little ice car is the problem.

[@stevenbarrett7648]

Government really needs to add at least another penny per litre on petrol and diesel at the point of sale which goes directly to the NHS Cancer Wards, no-where else. The burners of the fuel who knowingly produce toxic emissions pay for the damage they do.

[@rogerphelps9939]

Thing is that there ought to be 50p per litre which goes towards a fund to help our grandchildren survive the effects of CO2 emissions.

[@casperhansen826]

More like a pound or two, to pay for healthcare

[@xperyskop2475]

10 p per litre per year for the next 30 years

[@paulweston1106]

Instead they kept the 5p per litre fuel duty freeze in place in the most recent budget.

[@johnowen7061]

The end should stand Norway has 80% of all new car is a EV. ICE car will be around for many years.

[@AndrewKeyz]

Norway GDP per capita is almost twice as high as here in the UK. They drive EVs but happily sell you their oil.

[@oliver90owner]

@@AndrewKeyz So?

[@karlhulme8014]

There are still more ice cars on the road in Norway, most EV owners have an ice car for backup.

[@AndrewKeyz]

@@oliver90ownerthe guy in the video literally says the roll out is slow due to “idiots and activists”. Economic facts should be considered without insults if you want to try to win the argument.

[@stuartburns8657]

​@@oliver90ownerNorway incredibly wealthy and where able to maintain EV subsidies for a long time. Also they ensured a good public charger rollout. 55% of Norway homes detached (home charging capability) vs UK 23%. Recently economic issues like interest rates, subsidiary withdrawal, much higher electricity prices and new EV charges have impacted sales

[@oliver90owner]

No doubt that ICE cars will be around for many years yet. BUT, what do you think will happen with more city centres simply not allowing ICE car entry, or charging an ever-increasing fee, for those that insist on so doing? There will be a follow on, with bans in towns, as the air quality issues are recognised by more authorities. Easy to do, almost immediately, for towns with bypasses. When towns do this, the local filling stations will either be converted to EV charging stations or they will reduce/close down. It will come, mark my words! Progress is inevitable.

[@Un-Apologetic]

It's absolutely nothing to do with air pollution. ULEZ remember that one, the clue is in the name ULTRA LOW EMISSION ZONE. Well from 25 December 2025 all vehicles including EV's will have to pay to go into London as it's now going to be called a congestion charge. It's all about making money. Nothing more nothing less.

[@oliver90owner]

@ Nothing more, nothing less? All of London inside the M25? I don’t think so. It’ll be anti-pollution in towns. Start to get ready for it.

[@GruffSillyGoat]

@@Un-Apologetic - you're mixing up ULEZ and the separate Congestion Charge (which predated ULEZ). EVs are exempt from emissions charges (ULEZ) but no longer enjoy an exemption from causing congestion. This just reflects the success and growth in EVs in cities like London, that they've reached a level where their congestion impact needs to be managed.

[@karlhulme8014]

And there we have it…. Welcome to your 15 minute city.

[@papaskyfox6312]

What about aeroplanes

[@GruffSillyGoat]

They're starting to be electrified as well, starting with short haul and working their way up as technilogy advances.

[@TMan786]

Nope!

[@sparky6996]

I get it but to me its too fast. Gonna be leaving people in the poop who are struggling

[@chrishar110]

Those who are struggling won't buy a new car, EV or ICE. They will buy a used one. EV or ICE. Used cars will still be in the market min till 2050.

[@sparky6996]

@chrishar110 great news! Time to get that 5 litre Lexus then

[@chrishar110]

@@sparky6996 That needs £100 every week to go to work. I do it with £5, the difference is huge. I don't even know how much I save from 8 or 16 sparkplugs and how many gallons of oil it needs.

[@ronaldgarrison8478]

It's not at all controversial that air pollution kills people. You can smell it, get sick from it (even in the immediate sense), even sometimes see it. So for motor vehicles. the focus should be on emissions other than CO2. Electrify transportation. We. can. get this. done. And as that's done, we're that much closer to solving the GHG problem as well. Talking about persistence of a thousand years is just confusing. That's about CO2. There is no such persistence for CO, NOx, VOC. So don't mislead viewers with such talk. It's ultimately counter-productive.

[@toyotaprius79]

So much grant farming and lobbying. The reverse engineering of the 500e to run on the 1.0l 3cyl 12volt MEH mild hybrid is just a piss take.

[@S0me0ne_S0meWhere_SaysHi]

I thought Labor had already reverted to the 2030 ban? Is that not the case, yet?! And, if not, why not?! Also, have you had an answer to your question yet Dave?

[@davetakesiton]

Labour has proposed bringing it forward but has not yet put it into law. And no!

[@S0me0ne_S0meWhere_SaysHi]

@davetakesiton Alas I don't think you will get one because there isn't one. EVs are being unjustly persecuted.

[@John-p7i5g]

It's unnecessary. Technology will do the job.

[@frostcb2]

In order to REALLY change something is to not let the hybrid count as a zero emissions car, make auto manufacturers pay the same penalty as ice cars.

[@CheeseLovingGuy]

I think the hybrid has its place still for some but the subsidy should be based on battery size and they then have to be plug in hybrids. An 80 - 100 mile range would cover most journeys that people make.

[@CheeseLovingGuy]

If you have seen the graphs for hybrid sales in Norway you will realise they quickly fall off once people realise pure EV is just fine and much cheaper.

[@rogerphelps9939]

Yes, and really hammer "self charging hybrid" nonsense.

[@jamesp.1784]

Did emissions from cars and vans "continue to rise" or were there simply more cars and vans on the roads? Engines have evolved and gotten much more efficient.

[@huwjones5879]

ICE generally not much more than 30% efficient

[@anignorantbrit]

Yet EVs can be as high as 90% efficient. I am sorry if this upsets people but EVs are simply better cars. If you're only thinking about getting from A to B that is.

[@rogerphelps9939]

Wrong. ICE efficiency has been around 25% for decades and thermodynamics says that any improvements will be marginal. What has improved is emissions of particulates and NOx.

[@jamesp.1784]

Modern engines are lighter, produce more power per kg more robust, smoother with a diesel engine good for over 200'000 miles. People should be allowed to have a choice as EV'S aren't suitable for everyone. There is a huge recession heading our way and shipping all our manufacturing jobs over to China is probably not the best thing to be doing.. and I drive an EV.

[@TerryHickey-xt4mf]

engines have gotten 'much more efficient' who told you that?

[@bordersw1239]

The irony of someone using jet aircraft to get to their holiday destination and a wife that still has an ICE.

[@adrianwood2566]

Someone may benefit from a cheap 2nd hand Tesla. Maybe make some content on the battery health as years go by. Might also go on to prove they have no need to spend 10s of thousands on a replacement battery. The haters gonna hate 😂

[@starlord8973]

ICE CARS ROAD TAX is going up buy a large AMOUNT IN APRIL 2025

[@rogerphelps9939]

Good.

[@albertoporras04]

Either I. Scrap the EV mandate but allow free access to the market for Chinese (and all other) EVs. Or 2. Try to protect local car makers from strong competion from Chinese EVs but in that case enforce the mandate.

[@Bb5y]

We just did!

[@front2427]

change it again

[@Bb5y]

@ what for. It’ll do.

[@Nearly-Insane]

"400 hundred miles is considered normal" Really ? Maybe manufacturers claimed range but other than a Tesla long range there isn't an EV out there that can do 400 miles of everyday driving on one charge.

[@Incognito-turnip]

I rarely drive more than 50 miles a day

[@Incognito-turnip]

Gonna start driving about 80 miles a day twice a month from jan 2026. Might look at a second hand ev at that point

[@rugbygirlsdadg]

I used to commute 55 miles each day, sharing the driving. I wish I'd had an EV then. Charging overnight. It would have saved me a small fortune.

[@rogerphelps9939]

Wrong. You would be surprised. It is all very simple, battery capacity versus drag and rolling resistance. Plenty of manufacturers can actually outdo Tesla on that.

[@mr4kids.866]

Tesla can out do Tesla on that too. It’s an energy density problem. TESLA aim to make one battery for every model they sell. As a cost exercise it cheaper to make one battery with one supply chain and one manufacturing line and lock/unlock the range depending on the model. 4860 cell is late but on its way. I’d prefer to buy a high spec medium range TESLA, then the two times a year I do over 150 miles in a trip I’d pay a few quid to extend the range. People buy cars not on the 95% of use case they buy cars on the 5% what ifs. Battery tech does change quick but how long until you can buy it, Toyota has been going on about its solid state battery for the best part of twenty years, still not here.

[@Markbolton-t6o]

We need to reduce pollution but shouldn’t do any faster than any other nation. In the meantime we must accept the consequences

[@crm114.]

Why not? It’s local pollution that is harmful.

[@foppo100]

Consequenses?Tell that to people with asthma or long problems Mark.

[@Climatetruth]

⁠​⁠@@foppo100so all asthma and people with long term damage have been caused by cars only?? Couldnt it be that they were more just ill or there bodies handled it differently?

[@byxf3pdrve]

> What difference does it make to anyone if I buy another EV? We all know that by 'EV' you mean Tesla, as you're a self-confessed Tesla fanboi. Supporting Elon Musk and (indirectly) Trump by buying Tesla definitely does affect everyone. Personally, my next car will probably be an EV but it won't be a Tesla

[@davetakesiton]

You need to watch more of my videos. I repeatedly state I will buy the best car for me whatever make that is. Regarding Elon; a hatred of Felix Tschisekedi I could understand but What has Elon Musk doing that directly affects you? Personally? Ever?

[@rogerphelps9939]

Well said. There are plenty bettter than Tesla and European too.

[@keithbennett1656]

I'm happy with my exhaust emissions because i take a leaf out of Bill Gates' book and pay for carbon offsets. I've reached net zero.

[@TerryHickey-xt4mf]

should have bought a leaf.

[@OldSonyMan]

change the government !

[@Yorkshire-z5v]

In 5yrs you will have the opportunity to do that. Or you could petition enough MP’s to call for a vote of no confidence in the government and force an election, good luck with that. This is the democratic system we currently have and in my many years of voting I’m dissatisfied with the result but accept the outcome and cross my fingers for next time.

[@paulweston1106]

There is a general election due in 2029, so there is every chance the government will change at that point.

[@Yorkshire-z5v]

@@paulweston1106We need a change in the process but I wouldn’t hold my breath for that, Labour or Conservatives won’t go for that. Proportional representation is the way?

[@patdbean]

The current labour mps are not going to call a vote of confidence. That would be like turkies voting for Christmas. ​@@Yorkshire-z5v

[@paulweston1106]

@@Yorkshire-z5v I'm with you on the idea of PR but also agree with you that the main two aren't likely to go for it because it isn't in their interests to do so and any other party in the future that picks up a large majority is also like to shy away from PR.

[@roxdude]

Current policy like the creation of LTN's only moves the congestion into a more concentrated area. Then they monitor those areas and then say levels have risen. To drive around those areas and not through makes it that every vehicle is travelling often 3 time the distance it should, also creating more emissions. The data they use, like that for climate change, is doctored to prove their point. For instance, if you start recording data at the lower point in a cycle, what will the data actually tell you. Definitely policy is to have zero emissions and Oxfords ZEZ zone is a trail but one that will be rolled out to all cities and then towns and will coincide with the ban of new ice cars to discourage their usage and higher taxes on them. Like sugar tax or that on tobacco products to stop people from doing it..

[@thescouselander5531]

Before quoting those statistics you should have been clear those 40k+ deaths are not individuals but a statistical equivalent that turns the amount of time people's lives are shortened by into an equivalent number of deaths. In fact another way to put it is that we all lose approximately 2 weeks of life due to air pollution. That's rather less alarming. The fact is the air we breath is the cleanest it's been for centuries and it's still getting better so no need to be panicked into knee jerk reactions.

[@truebrit3670]

You're confusing theory and hypothesis there Dave. A hypothesis is tested, a theory is a law or laws developed as a result of this. Theories tend to describe something that doesn't actually physically exist, such as music, or indeed, relativity.

[@GruffSillyGoat]

More that the things theories describe do physically exist but our description and understanding of them is somewhat partial so we theorise about their physics rather than being able to fully and acturately define them.

[@truebrit3670]

@GruffSillyGoat not true. Theories represent that which we can devise rules to explain what is perceived, as opposed to facts which represent physical properties. The electronic structure of iron is a fact, electron orbital shapes are theories. The resonant frequency of sound waves are facts, the modeling of these to produce what we perceive as music is theory. Theories are simply not things we don't fully understand.

[@TerryHickey-xt4mf]

in theory, you are right.

[@GruffSillyGoat]

@@truebrit3670 - we're saying the same thing just with a different emphasis. I'm saying the physical thing (fact, phenomena) exists and that the 'theory' represents our best current, and tested, understanding and description of the thing. Theroies can and do change over time and knowledge as understanding about the 'thing' grows. In the case of music three types of theory exist, the artistic one that describes how music is produced and percieved, the physics one that describes the mechanics of how the sound is produced, and the neuroscience and psychological one that describes how the brain processes and percieves the sound to prompt thought and emotion. My conjecture is that the physical thing exists outside of the theory, it doesn't need a theory to be devised in order for it to exist. It was this point I was making as the original post above stated the physical thing doesn't exist. This is not correct as it is mixing up 'theory' with 'theoretical', which have different meanings even though both stem from the same ancient greek source - theōría meaning contemplation, speculation, or investigation. This is also true of artistic based theories like music as well, the theory descibes the way sounds can be produced in ways that are enjoyable - at its core it is a theory about the perception of sounds. Indeed things can make sounds, the sound waves are carried over the medium of a gas to our ears, and the brain processes the sound and can interepret music. There are genres and branches of music that include such 'found music', such as some of the works by Philip Glass, the experimental pieces by Stockhausen, or the progressive music of Pink Floyd.

[@truebrit3670]

@GruffSillyGoat agreed. Therefore we can agree that a theory isn't a hypothesis as proposed in the video. Because a theory is already tried and tested.

[@lessheppard]

Even the EV community is divided: TESLA v the rest

[@Climatetruth]

They dont want to line Elons pockets so as long as its not Elons Teslas they want they are fine… that great country China… land of the fake and cheap!! EV chills love that and everything china deports!! All you are doing is making the land of coal and combustion richer… think about the climate guys! Stop buying cheap and fake goods from China!!

[@TerryHickey-xt4mf]

reminds me of when I was a kid in the UK, was I a 'mod' or a rocker? Ringo saved the day when he said he was a 'Mocker'

[@paulbuckingham15]

Its not, except for lefty wokeflakes who hate Elon because he bought their beloved Twitter and stopped it cancelling regular folk. I've not got a Tesla but I'd certainly consider one in the future. I'd need to hire one on eg holiday first to check out it having no buttons, indicator stalks etc would be a nuisance for me. I won't know until I try and its irrelevant how it is for anyone else.

[@terrypine587]

It doesn't matter to me what you buy, but it's fossil fuels that are providing your electricity, so no different in the outcome

[@davetakesiton]

Boy are you totally out of date

[@Sp_75-76]

Totally different. If you were correct about fossil fuel supplying the electricity, which you are completely wrong about. The electricity is produced in power stations which are a long way from town centres. ICE vehicles produce tailpipe emissions wherever they drive, whereas EVs produce nothing.

[@crm114.]

Over the last year, ffuels contributed to 4x more efficiently than ice.

[@TerryHickey-xt4mf]

this is now 2025.

[@terrypine587]

@@Sp_75-76 Yes they do, but in somebody else backyard, do you think that the machines they use to dig out the materials are 'electric'?

[@CheeseLovingGuy]

Here are a few. You are receiving tax money from others as a subsidy when buying new. You are not paying the same taxes towards road upkeep. (This will eventually have to change and we will move towards pay per mile). You are contributing to the rise of China - (because they get on with the job) which has geopolitical implications and on the same score contributing to the downfall of Western car makers - because they didn't get on with it. All true answers to your question. But i remain a believer that we need to transform and will transform. That the subsidies help with this and are a good thing. But i would rather they now started reducing the purchase subsidies and spent money on the charging network and dropped the VAT on public charging to Zero % - thus really helping open up the market to those that cannot charge at home. I am a big fan of your excellent content by the way.

[@djtaylorutube]

Please can you tell me where the tax subisidy is for my car that I bought new? I'm not seeing that on the invoice anywhere!

[@Julius-ev8fn]

You seem to be a nice educated person but with comunism mindset of banning, forbiding ICE cars, rather than leting the market to decide like with smart phones. And dont group EV haters to 3 groups, because reasons are wider. You dont even know how much co2 is emitted then beloved EV is produced in China with help of burning coal, not to mention awfull conditions on lithium mining. So there are people who love envitonment and hate EV. You wouldnt mind having a big chinese battery factory in your backyard, would you?

[@rugbygirlsdadg]

As EV batteries are about 98% recyclable, there will be a point at which no mining will be required. And besides, battery chemistry is constantly evolving. You'll never be able to recycle diesel.....

[@CheeseLovingGuy]

China produce lots of pollution from coal but they are building solar and wind at an incredible rate to replace that coal. Go google. Why ? Partly pollution but now very much because it is proving cheaper which will give them an additional manufacturing edge. Plus they don't want to import coal and oil. They pivoted to EVs partly because their cities were so polluted that it was a real health issue.

[@rogerphelps9939]

Global warming is far too important to let he market decide. I suppose you have never heard of exernal costs, have you? Please look it up and be educated. The country adoptting renewables a the fastest rate is China.

[@chrishar110]

Smartphones don't harm people. ICE cars is proven that kill people.

[@alcord2540]

A large proportion of drivers will never afford new or old evs.New are too expensive and old have the massive cost of replacement batteries.Come 2035 there will be about 25% of current vehicles on the roads and freedom to travel will be denied to the majority of the population.

[@rogerphelps9939]

Utter rubbish. EVs will be cheaper than equivalent ICEs and battery life is now a non issue.

[@casperhansen826]

The freedom to travel will most likely persist, but you might not be allowed to drive in even medium size cities with an ICE car by 2035

[@TerryHickey-xt4mf]

check back in 5 years you will be amazed, never before has tech moved so fast as in the ev segment. Ice has stood still for decades in comparison.

[@terrypine587]

Your EV has already used up more COs in the making

[@davetakesiton]

Boy are you out of date

[@rogerphelps9939]

Your comment is wrong.

[@Sp_75-76]

@@terrypine587 read any reputable research - not from the university of KZbin - you will find that over the lifetime of an Ev it will produce 50 percent less C02 than an ICE car and no tailpipe toxins. And you won’t have to put on plastic gloves just so you can fill it up without the risk of getting cancer from the fuel you are using

[@johndinsdale1707]

So, you are completely EV obsessed. The problem is average joe choose what car they want. So distraughting the car market is not going to work!!!!!!

[@jonwragg3822]

“Distraughting” is not a word.

[@SzaszaG1]

​@@jonwragg3822just another petrol head

[@davidilm3752]

What is distraughting 😂😂😂?

[@adrianwood2566]

Disrupting maybe?

[@TerryHickey-xt4mf]

a new word?

[@Un-Apologetic]

It WILL be scrapped within the next 12 months.

[@Yorkshire-z5v]

Why will it be scrapped?

[@Un-Apologetic]

@Yorkshireasaurus it's very simple. EVs are just not selling in the numbers needed. The next three months will determine how long it is before the whole net zero deadline is scrapped. Manufacturers and dealers cannot continue to pre-register cars with no end buyer. They are losing too much money.

[@oliver90owner]

@@Un-Apologetic what a dim observation/argument/understanding. READ the Labour Party Manifesto. It clearly states returning the end of new ICE car sales to 2030.

[@paulweston1106]

It's out to consultation now so my guess is they either go with the 2030 or the 2035 date. If they go with 2030 then I don't see it being scrapped by this government. If they kick the can down the road to 2035 it may not be within the gift of the current government to implement or cancel it as they may not be in power after 2029.

[@Un-Apologetic]

@oliver90owner labour won't be in charge in 2030. Farage will be PM. Trump will end this climate rubbish on January 20th.

[@michaelodwyer2815]

Not as simple as we think??!! kzbin.info/www/bejne/hXbOeptohciGj6csi=bcoOwJI34Vru4ikf kzbin.info/www/bejne/l4XJqKSsg9qeapYsi=m2-kLoK4-ez8zCJ8

[@chalaischiot]

When it comes to batteries no one points out that Toyota launched the Pruis in 1997, and there are plenty of 20-year-old Prius cars available for under £2000 secondhand. I will be surprised if any of the Legacy manufacturers will be making ICE vehicles by 2035. They are increasing the price of ICE vehicles. They now realise with the Chinese entering the European market that they are in serious trouble, and they need EVs for the Global South market where they used to make 50% of their profits. By 2035 range anxiety will reverse, if the Supermarkets are not making a profit from carbon fuels then they will close that part of their operations. They are all starting to put in chargers, and that will accelerate. BP and Shell are closing filling stations and converting them to Charging Hubs. Petrol stations in Norway are closing. This trend is due to a combination of factors, including the country's ambitious climate goals, which aim to reduce fossil fuel consumption, and the increasing popularity of electric vehicles (EVs). As more Norwegians adopt EVs, the demand for traditional petrol stations has decreased, leading some to close or convert to charging stations for electric vehicles. I live in the South East and 5 years ago when I first leased an EV, I didn't see other EVs. Today it is different, they are everywhere. I guess that in another 5 years due to economies of scale EVs will be 50% cheaper than ICE cars, which will be more expensive for not having the economies of scale. We will look back on 2025 as the tipping point year.h