🤔 Should I buy a PRO Knee BRACE Guard? Things you need to know, EVS ASTERISK ALPINESTARS MOBIUS

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[@b1slyfox]

So I've had POD k300s, custom CTi and Mobius. I was wearing the PODs when I tore my MCL and ACL when I hit a tree. Truth is no knee brace can really protect you from twisting injuries. In my opinion the Mobius is the best out of the 3 brands I've tried. They are the most comfortable and feel the most protective.

[@vegasromaniac]

Thaks for the update

[@therawlifefamily]

Asterisk has a buckle that you can use to attach to your boot that is designed to prevent twisting as it attaches the boot to the knee brace so your whole leg should twist rather than just the foot to knee. It looks good on paper as Vegas says. But I know what you mean, I was wearing Leatt X-Frame which are a reasonable brace (but suffers from the same problem as mentioned at 8:13) and sprained my knee via twisting it. I think I'm just going to mod my brace to attach to my boot.

[@inevespace]

The trick with braces is proper fitment. Moreover, a brace itself does not prevent twisting injury. Slightly bent knee prevent twisting(ok, ok, reduces chances). So ideally you need to setup hyper-extension locking on your brace in such a way that your leg can't be straight. Otherwise you need something like mentioned Asterisk's buckle to boots.

[@36surferjoe]

@@therawlifefamily I was also wearing the Leatt X frames and hyperextended my left leg just a little bit but I had it set at 0°. I don’t think it would’ve happened if I would’ve said it to like 15°.

[@36surferjoe]

Those knee braces you’re wearing, the asterisk the two bands at the top you’re supposed to bend those to the shape of your leg and they’re supposed to fit like a glove up there so they don’t slide down so they’re probably fit to your friends leg

[@themotofixery]

I have these and wouldn't ride without them. Have had two pair in the last 10+ years and they have saved me from major damage on several occasions. Well worth the $600 in my opinion

[@vegasromaniac]

Good to know

[@zip1233]

"it's not guaranteed" bro, LITERALLY no safety devices are guaranteed to prevent injury. Knee guards are absolutely needed for any competitive level bike sport. A helmet is not guaranteed to protect your head, but it's better than nothing. Knee braces have been scientifically proven to prevent injury. also, the brace is clearly too big for you. that's why they're so specific on fit. You are VERY opinionated without having real objective views, this is another thing that you came into it not wanting to like it, so you didn't like it.

[@user-ld1ty4ko4q]

He didn’t even adjust the curvature of the thigh and calf frames so that they fit completely to the body.

[@nateherse4891]

Tear your ACL, deal with the pain, surgery, recovery, down time, rehab, and massive bills then make another video about about knee braces.

[@vegasromaniac]

No thank you

[@Butchersbikes31]

Nate Herse yes! I just tore my ACL in half riding my dirt bike. That’s what it took to get me to want to buy these! PLEASE BUY THEM BEFORE YOU TEAR YOURE ACL!!! it is very very painful!

[@AndrewBrowner]

@@Butchersbikes31 fibs

[@carlosmaripanguigonzalez5077]

Remember to adjust those knee braces before use them properly. In any case. ALWAYS it’s better to wear something a little bit uncomfortable (which they’re not at all) than a injury. So. I don’t agree with this video

[@Papparratzi]

After 5 years of using EVS Axis Pro and now the Mobius X8, I can tell you the Mobius has about 1/2” less width, almost 1/2 pound lighter, a superior fit on the leg and better protection for impacts. Gripping the tank with the Mobius feels more natural and sliding forward and backwards while gripping the tank is much smoother. It is slightly warmer but in the overall scheme of things, not noticeable while your riding because it fits so comfortably. Thanks for your demonstrations and opinions.

[@vegasromaniac]

good to know man

[@aerolou1]

Respect your opinion but I have POD K8s and from the first time I wore them I can't tell I have them on. Worn all day at the practice track. Very comfortable.

[@vegasromaniac]

That's is good to know

[@kobybenyakar4714]

I also use the pod braces - very comfortable, no wires and dials...

[@spymaine89]

will check thanks

[@Goffens]

pod k8 were i live is 850bucks !

[@aniekbouwman]

@@Goffens there is also a cheaper one that is the k4 and its the same but its not made out of carbon fiber. That's the only difference.

[@oweevans5695]

Have had the Mobius braces for 3 years and I think they do a good job protecting the knee. Negative sides are they are kind of warm and, as you said, hard to fit in some trousers. One positive thing I experienced when starting to use the mobius kneebraces is that they supports the knee very well. So even when you dont crash they are worth wearing. Since they stabilizes the knee when riding I tend not to be so tired or soar in the knee as without them. They hold up good. Only thing is that the comfort pad that sits on the plate that supports the back of the knee has come of a couple of times. But thats easy to fix yourself.

[@vegasromaniac]

All good to know, thanks for the info

[@sandysmith7485]

I'm old, so listen up. If you want to be able to walk normal when you get old then protech your knees. You didn't mention Leatt. I have the Leatt C frame braces. With those, You can still grip the tank. Ck them out to. Ride safe my 2 wheel friends.

[@vegasromaniac]

I saw the leatt tried them in cycle gear, the feel the same to me, I'll just have to use a wheel chair..

[@talon0863]

Thanks, I'm going to check out the Leatt braces.

[@sandysmith7485]

They are a bit pricey. I paid $495.00 for the C frame pro pair last year.

[@talon0863]

Thanks Bro

[@sandysmith7485]

Your welcome. I got them at R.M.

[@kraigvanderwyk2443]

These type of braces are more intended for people with previous knee/ ligament injuries and prevention. If your just looking for protection from minor falls and crashes there are lots of options. I had guards just like yours but they never stayed in place and sometimes would get stuck under the radiator guards. So I upgraded to the “bionic” style knee/shin guards. I started with fly, they didn’t fit me right. Felt like they were non symmetrical but neither side was the correct side. Tried a couple different brands and finally ended up with the Leatt. They’re great. (Remember these are guards, not braces. There is a difference).

[@vegasromaniac]

Good to know. I just ordered a pair of axo, I have their armor already that I like let's see how the axo do.. But they are guards not braces

[@roostin]

I've worn just about all of them over the years including 2 popular brands of custom made ones that are over $1500 each and the best ones I've worn are the pod knee braces and my current ones the leatt x frame I still occasionally wear my cti 2 braces which are awesome but not worth the money unless your insurance will cover them....and I can assure they are far better than not wearing them and definitely have saved me many times I had 5 knee surgeries before I started wearing braces and none since... I will never ride without them...you picked the bulkiest and most uncomfortable brace on the market for your demonstration so i would look into others before you encourage people to not be safe

[@roostin]

Seriously look at the leatt and pod knee braces...if you have a problem with griping the bike look at the leatt c frame they are open on the inside I have the x frame and love them

[@vegasromaniac]

Yeah c frame look good.. But I got a pair of knee guard for now testing this out for a while.

[@nastystang113]

I couldn’t agree more with you. This video is just scary seeing people say they won’t buy them after watching this video.

[@yuriabmxr]

Are they even the right size? Who knows… It's just whatever his buddy had.

[@nickychopperdog353]

I love my knee braces the number of times they've saved my knees is priceless and definitely worth the extra weight and hassle

[@brendon8702]

what do you have?

[@DakarEnduro]

I can understand you opinion. Knee braces are like neck braces, some hate them and some swear by them. My experience is that knee braces are worthwhile and good. They are certainly way overpriced for plastic and metal pieces but oh well. The $500-800 you spend on a pair is way less than your deductible from a surgery. I was wearing loose and substandard knee protection a year ago in a race. Had an off and twisted my knee. Severed ACL and torn Meniscus. Had to ride another 800kms over 2 days to finish the race. Was awful. Had surgery 2 weeks ago. Surgery was approximately $20k and my deductible portion (what I had to pay) was $2500. I do not know many racers, competitive class, that ride without them. We all do. Just like a neck brace at first they feel awkward. After a few hours you forget they are there. I love them now. I have no idea whether the ones j use noe (Alpinestars) would have saved my knee a year ago but I do know I will not risk a ride without them. Especially since the recovery from my surgery means I won't be riding for 3-4 months minimum, and that is only because I have my next week long race in 4 months. Normally full sport return would not be until about 9 months. Froma an old guy - wear them and save your knees!

[@vegasromaniac]

All good to know

[@RealSuburbanCowboy]

I agree with a good deal of this, but after spending 3 months not able to put an weight on my leg because of a tibia-plateau break, these would have helped me. It took my a while to get used to these, but I have ridden all day with them, and now, it feels weird to ride without them. I am glad you are pointing all this out, I think it is important for people to know this info. I had to learn it the hard way. Yes, they are expensive, but the 100k medical bill I ran up was also pretty expensive! :) BTW, I have an older Asterisk brace.

[@vegasromaniac]

There is always that question, if they would have helped or not. The truth is that I can't say for sure, and because of that I am sceptical as far as it goes.

[@vegasromaniac]

But Thank you sharing your story, it might help others

[@RealSuburbanCowboy]

That is true. I can't prove they would have prevented my injury. I really do feel naked without them now. One thing you didn't mention is that they can dig into your legs while wearing them. The 1/2 socks they come with just fall down. I have been wearing what amounts to "Long Underwear" under my riding pants. Cycle Gear makes something called Heat-Out and Freeze-Out for hot and cold weather. Those make wearing braces MUCH more comfortable.

[@ALB2073]

about a year ago I tried all the brands (in store) including leatt c frame and like you found them all uncomfortable and weird feeling so I didn't buy them. After several friends having knee injuries I decided to look again as the new leatt x frame came out....went in store and tried these and they felt good....have been riding with them since and I don't notice them. All the issues you describe such as feeling wide, slipping down etc I don't have with the leatt x frames....as others have said, correct sizing is crucial and I also think certain brands just fit certain anatomies better.

[@vegasromaniac]

Hard to decide when you have to spend 600 bucks and you trash them on the first ride you can't return them

[@DmenDuroRider]

@@vegasromaniac The x frame is the way to go. You will hate the mobius because they make your knees and shins go thermonuclear hot.

[@vegasromaniac]

@@DmenDuroRider I agree to a point but the added benefit of the mobius is that because they are so dense they protect against cacti, of you touch one of those suckers you gona have to pull 1 inch neddles out if your foot, 20x of them, so you see here in the desert the damn cactus change the rules a bit. Plus I'm already used to the full guards sweaty balls already.. Haha

[@FaCtOrYsUzUkI945]

Here's the best advice I can give you. I've wore just about every kind of knee brace there is as far as off the shelf goes the mobius are by far the best for comfort and protection. Also if the knee braces are that uncomfortable you either a different size or a different brand other than the weight you shouldn't even know your wearing them. If you are wanting the most perfect set of knee braces have some custom ctis made by far the knee brace you can get but they are more expensive. For the knee brace sliding down run a knee brace sock and make the top buckle of your boot a little tighter that seems to help. As far as them pushing your knees away from the bike when riding that really comes down to your feet on the pegs if your toes are turned out then your knees are going to go out. Hope you find some that work for you because 600$ is a small price when it comes to a blown out knee.

[@vegasromaniac]

Yeah, everybody is ranting about leatt c Frame., seems to be the best compromise

[@PrimalEnduro]

You've got some good points, and I agree that any true knee brace will be less comfortable than knee guards. But then again knee surgery, and 6-12 months off the bike/work is way more uncomfortable! The problem here is that you tried what is IMO probably the most uncomfortable knee brace available! I bought these and sold them after riding in them for only 10 minutes for the exact reasons you mentioned. I had the original Asterisks years ago and they were great. This "Ultra Cell" is crap! I currently wear custom CTI's which I got my insurance to pay for and while I wouldn't call them comfortable I have no problem riding the entire day in them. I'm about due for a new set of braces and if insurance doesn't cover them I will buy the Mobius. My buddy went from many years on custom CTI's to the Mobius and won't go back!

[@vegasromaniac]

Yeah so Many choices

[@markgunnison]

I tried on the Mobius and the Alpinestar braces and did not like the fit. I ended up getting the Leatt C-frame and like them a lot. My local Honda shop gave me a discount getting the price in the mid 500s. Due to the design, I almost don’t notice them while riding. I’ve been using them for two years now without issue. I have replaced the sock that helps keep them in place. My buddy Mike tried them and they did not fit his leg shape though.

[@vegasromaniac]

Yeah you are another guy that is saying the c frame are good I need to see if I can get one for a review

[@SkinnySkinch]

"the only protection it will give you is you will ride a bit less"... the next questionable statement "the companies won't GUARANTEE that it won't protect you from hyper extension they only say it helps prevent" ...... I don't understand that at all. Of course they aren't going to guarantee it's going to do anything. Do car companies guarantee the airbag in your car will save your life? no. of course they don't that would be idiotic. A knee brace company guaranteeing the brace will save you from any injury would also be absolutely idiotic. Knee brace company doesn't control the rider or the environment around them. You could put your entire body in a titanium iron man suit and still get injured if you crash hard enough or in the right way. I really don't see your logic here I am trying to but I just don't see it. Another point I would mention is the cost of a $600 knee brace compared to the cost of a hyperextension or torn ligament injury like ACL MCL. 9 months of healing, PT, and pain and anguish bc you didn't want to spend $600 seems illogical to me. Oh yeah and you're insurance deductible which is likely $2,000 -$8,000 per year so yeah your deductible would have paid for your knee brace over and over again.

[@craigbridge6538]

I was almost going drop big dollars on knee braces. But after watching this I won’t be. Thank you for your honest review

[@vegasromaniac]

That video is old. Did lots of likes since then , still got both of my legs ...

[@meisteri9776]

Since I've always ridden enduro with knee bracers it feels weird to me ride enduro without ones. After 5 minutes with them on I usually have already forgotten that I'm even wearing them. I have Alpinestar Fluid Pro bracers and the lower strap reaches a little over my calf so it doesn't slide down. I think if you just wear them (and wear something under them so they don't directly rub your legs - during the summer it gets hot when wearing something under them but you got to do what you got to do), and *get used to them* they'll not bother you at all.

[@vegasromaniac]

Good to know

[@TheJaytreify]

hey man just looking to buy some apline fluid knee braces hence why im watching this video haha. i know that theyre lil old now 2016 i think but seen that u have them... would u recomend?

[@pags1981]

Alpinestars Fluid Pro's are good

[@jeanplug298]

I was hesitating 4 months ago to buy a knee brace because of the price and decided to buy it my knee cap tends to move to the opposite side and stick there like a broken knee so i bought alpinestars knee brace and i think it's worth it it will give you more confidence to upgrade your level and taking risks and they saved me a lot for example when i drop the bars over my leg while taking a turn or when i get throw off the handlebars i hear the impact of kneebraces with handlebars scary af the downsides are they feel really hot that part of your knee will sweat more than the rest of your body and it's kinda heavy but if it is well strapped they wont slide down while riding i think they re worth 500$ if u can find a deal

[@vegasromaniac]

Interesting.. Good to know

[@lostinpa-dadenduro7555]

Two rides and you get used to them and won’t want to ride without. I really don’t notice them when riding. I wear knee brace sleeves under. Proper sizing is important. You can adjust the hyperextension stops. The best braces are the custom CTI or DonJoy. I have used the POD K4 for two summers now. Plenty of goofy offs and weird leg situations. Also once had a dual sport on top of me and pinned under. The knee brace edge kept the bike off me and from pushing side of my knee in. Good knee cap protection too. I’m am also certain as one can be that they have kept me from twisting my knee and stuff in various situations. I like the general support they provide. They are not for everyone but I appreciate them.

[@vegasromaniac]

I doubt 2 rides is gonna do the trick, my buddy spent 800 bucks for these and afte multiple rides he ended up riding with the in the backpack home, he hates them

[@fmtnic]

It took me 1 day to get used to my POD 4. I love them. I got them on Amazon for $400.

[@sumporfuk]

You are definitely on the right track in talking about knee braces but unfortunately you are wrong about the choice of products. There is only one company on the market the sells a knee brace that is worth any money and that’s Donjoy period. The unfortunate part for most people is that the Donjoy braces cost a staggering amount of money 💰 like around $900 per brace so it’s $1,800 for the set But these are the best custom fitted braces that your money can buy period end of story and you you can wear all day long without any of the problems that you’ve talked about. The second runner up would be CTI but Donjoy blows CTI away

[@vegasromaniac]

Hmm, yes that sounds outrageous, I'm sure there has to be a company that makes one that is good for less. You can only make ta wheel round if you know what I mean

[@riderrm2505]

Finally a true review on horrible knee braces! I tried on 5 different kinds after tearing my meniscus and just could not make the purchase I knew I wouldn’t wear them. I went with fox knee shin guards and love them.

[@vegasromaniac]

Yeah man, I'm so worried myself for a big injurie but in the same time, can't find one that I would wear

[@mt1885]

Whats is links to the fox knees shins guards?

[@riderrm2505]

Aris Torm fox racing titan knee shin guards

[@hardworkingamerican8847]

@@mt1885 Fox Racing Titan Pro or the lesser protection version is just Fox Racing Titan .

[@josephdignam123]

100% agree and exactly my issues with braces. Gripping the bike is my biggest problem

[@vegasromaniac]

yeah they are a bit expensive and annoying

[@guymerreywether6875]

Teach yourself to ride, protecting your knees. Remain feet up all the time no matter what, if you are going to wash out in a turn, front or back wheel, let it, you should be forward on the bike, so keep your feet on the pegs, slide out, let the bike take the hits, de-clutch, then get up and get going. Learned this after riding with damaged knees for many years. Wearing braces is good, but riding to defend your knees is vital.

[@vegasromaniac]

True that

[@guymerreywether6875]

@@vegasromaniac 50 years of riding trails, and I've learned something, finally.

[@dismemberizer827]

THANKS!!! Very helpful!! Finally a true review!! 99,99% on YT is pure ads and marketing 🙈

[@Incindio13]

If you want some good knee guards (not braces) try the Fox Titan Pros, they are very comfortable, great protection and do not move, have worn them all day and they stay put!

[@denesk2794]

Hmm, I sometimes wear them on my street (naked) bike as well. 4-5 hours and after 5 minutes I forget I have them on. True, on a dirt bike it is strange for a few first rides with the knee contact thing, but you get used to it very-very fast. For me a full body armor is actually a lot more uncomfortable than a knee brace. I have an older Fox POD though. Also neck braces are 10x more annoying than a knee brace. Just my 2c ..

[@vegasromaniac]

Yeah my neck thing is my next purchase.. Let's see how that goes

[@Dosalt]

I'm watching this because I recently ran into a situation while I was riding that reminded me the importance of having knee guards

[@vegasromaniac]

We all do have those moments , i escaped injury for the past 10 years. If i get another 10 I'm good z I'll be to old to ride

[@jeffbelkwell2113]

I wear mine all day every time. I like them they give me more grip to the bike when I get tired and lazy if my toes are pointed in I get great grip. Never slide down. Worth every penny .

[@vegasromaniac]

Funny if I look thru the comments zone people love then some hate them... There is no mid point

[@AlexCage19]

I like that you are not afraid to make videos that you know a lot of people disagree with. Just bought leat x frame and unfortunately can't ride with it. The protection should not make such a discomfort that it increases probability to crash. I think the main issue with braces that those should be made individually to fit perfectly and not universal.

[@vegasromaniac]

Yeah it's really hard to pick the right ones, I still think the Mobius it's the best so far

[@pufifa]

9:40 "You've hurt your knee too many times mostly because of cheap guards that slide into the boot...." Dude, really? :)

[@Zeus33rd]

Have a look at the Dual Axis Knee Guards from Leatt. They aren't braces, just really fancy guards, but they fit like braces. $90

[@vegasromaniac]

I just ordered a pair of axo.. I always liked the axo brand, see how they do

[@brendon8702]

@@vegasromaniac how did they do?

[@DmenDuroRider]

They take some getting used too. You need to ride with them for months. Then you will never ride without them because you feel naked without them. I recommend the leatt x frame brace. Very comfortable. And knee brace socks are a must the brace sleeves suck. And the mobius braces are freaking hot sweaty and uncomfortable no ventilation at all. The mobius is worst brace I have ever bought sold them on ebay. The Leatt x frame or c frame are the most comfortable brace I have bought. And I ride in off road shorts when I wear braces.

[@vegasromaniac]

Yeah man, it seems that everybody is ranting about the c frame, I'm. Looking in to that as we speak

[@makoa2104]

Was looking at knee pads on Rocky mountain today and almost had a heart attack.

[@gymkhanadog]

Good opinion, but you should specify that you're saying they're bad for *MX* riding. What about dual sport or actual off-road riders who want crush and twisting protection? Ever had a motorcycle fall on your leg and trap you against the ground or a rock? Must not have...

[@vegasromaniac]

I don't ride mx at all, only trail, and nope, I let go before I get under

[@MrCRAIGREVO]

Same can be said for boots. Sneakers are way more comfy but people don't stop riding because boots are heavy and uncomfortable.

[@vegasromaniac]

Agreed, but boots come in difrent stifneses, from alpinstar tec 2 that is soft to tec 10i have an 8 and a 4 and I can barely ride with the 8, u make many mistakes and blow corners because I can't feel the rear brake ,

[@MrCRAIGREVO]

As does knee protection, the stiffer they get the more protection they offer. Everything is a compromise in offroad riding.

[@vegasromaniac]

@@MrCRAIGREVO true but the stiffer they get they more impact the transfer to other parts that of they break its worse than the knee

[@MrCRAIGREVO]

The knee is the most complex bone to break in your body. Braces are designed to transfer the impact to break mid bone. Mid bone breaks are 6-8 week recovery time. I'm at over 2 years recovery time for a fairly simple knee fracture.

[@db7948]

I have the mobius and love them, they still feel big until you get used to them but I wouldnt ride without them now. Not once have they slipped down and I dont even realise I'm wearing them anymore.

[@vegasromaniac]

It's all about getting used to I guess..

[@howiefine3074]

Vegas RoManiac Exactly! I did not like my Mobius braces at first but I’ve gotten used to them and they have saved my arse twice in just the last three months alone. I want to ride for a long time and I’ve got kids who ride. I like going home with them including all appendages...lol

[@elcucuygarage]

I disagree with your opinion. Coming from a medical background and knowing what these things have been designed to do, and how well they perform the tall task of protecting the complex construction of our legs + knees... Medical braces (often tailored to the patient or individual) are very expensive, but these braces are designed for certain leg shapes (like shoes and our feet). And the first time you put a helmet on you probably thought: "wow, that's itchy and uncomfortable" or a wrestling shoe or whatever. But overtime you learn that you have an oval-shaped head, you pronate or supinate while running. Thing is, try the pods, try riding with the asterisks, leatt, WHATEVER. Just appreciate how different these are from simple knee cup + shin guards and what kind of protection they can offer. Do you think if they put "intended for the elimination of knee injury or guaranteed to reduce the actuality of your knee breaking or tearing" that the companies would have issues with people claiming knee injuries or symptoms from crashing and elicit that to the manufacturer? They'd be paying for everyone that owned a pair, tore or broke a knee, and got a surgery (when they probably weren't wearing the brace or it didn't fit them properly). I don't want to say you were being ignorant in the video because that's a rude statement that usually garnishes offense, but you're speaking about the schematics of something it sounds like you have next to no experience with. (I have asterisk cells, used to have Thor knee cup/shin guards)

[@vegasromaniac]

Well Tha k you for taking the time to write this, the truth is that these perticular brand sucks, my buddy never wears them because they are so inconvenient. I'm sure they will help but if they are made so you rather stay gone than go riding than they have a great purpose of keeping you safe ...

[@davinbrigman7516]

AhhMeSoo Hobie well said, I have a custom pair that were made for me, after tearing both ACLs at different times and not on a motorcycle I wear them all the time. Combined over 1 year of rest/ recovery and no activity sucks for sure. Anything even knee guards will feel weird and cumbersome until you take the time to get used to them. I’m sure the first time wearing riding boots and a helmet didn’t feel real comfortable either but he still did it. Vegas RoManiac please don’t discourage people from wearing protective gear. If you don’t like it then don’t wear it. We as motorcycle riders/ racers have to promote safety at all times.

[@josetamayofernandez8469]

I broke my knees and I have been 14 months without riding. Trust me, it is better to feel not very comfortable than 2 surgeries and not ridding for more than a year

[@vegasromaniac]

Sorry to hear that. But in the same time you don't have a guarantee also they can break your femur or other bones so it's not as bulletproof

[@benstanway3238]

I think the key to knee brace fit is the first strap below the knee. This is the only part of the leg that tappers the opposite direction to the rest of the knee. So if you get a good fit on this part of the leg (the top of the calf muscle) it will prevent the knee brace sliding down. I noticed the asterisk look like a terrible fit and the strap seems to be half way down the leg. I currently use pods. In the past I have used CTi which were very good but I broke them. Asterisk cell around 10 years ago which were not a very good fit and fell apart. I now use pod which seem to be a good fit, however I did injure my knee for the first time with the pods. It is difficult to know if any protection would have protected me. I have since continued to use the pods but made sure everything is tighter, I installed the thicker pads and made sure all the straps are tight. Before I would tighten the upper calf muscle as tight as I can stand and the rest of the straps would be as looses as feels like it was offering protection. Now I go tighter, I also added the extension restriction. The mobius brace looks like it could be good but I noticed there is virtually no ventilation in the front. I will be trying the mobius next. It seems like they have put a lot of research into the product to get it right.

[@benstanway3238]

I've just brought the mobius and the fit is the best feeling brace I've worn. I think another problem with knee braces is the thing it is attached to (your body) is not a solid thing. So the brace is always going to have some squish because your skin and muscles are squishy. I've come from the pod braces and the fit is far superior on the mobius brace so far. The frame doesn't feel as rigid as the pod braces in places but I think that is the way they are designed. They are flexible where needed and rigid where needed too.

[@Michael_Lorenson]

I grew up riding dirt bikes in the 70s. I wore open-face helmets, riding gloves, jeans or riding pants with plastic knee cups, and riding boots. We didn't have hand guards back then. In ten years of frequent riding, in the biggest get-off I ever had, I think these knee guards would have been very helpful. I did have injuries to both knees, but not severe ones: fractured right knee cap, quite a few stitches on the left one. I was not wearing my padded riding pants with the knee cups, and I wish I had been! Probably would have been OK except for a fractured wrist. I'm considering some trail riding again at 57, nothing too strenuous but still proper single-track stuff. I'll definitely use good hand guards, but otherwise I'll probably dress the same way I did back then.

[@vegasromaniac]

Thays a lot of history

[@ssse3123]

I have had POD K8 for several years. They fit perfectly and I would never ride withou them. I had a jump go wrong and they most likely saved my ligaments. Protect your knees kids!

[@curtredmerski5144]

You could get Don Joy braces for $900.00 a leg........the discomfort could be for the length of a ride, or after an accident and injury for the rest of your life, not to mention medical cost. Out of work. Etc...

[@vegasromaniac]

That is true,

[@ThCrunch]

I find my PODs so comfortable that I don't notice that I'm wearing them. No piece of protective gear makes you invincible - so it comes down to a balance of safety and comfort.

[@vegasromaniac]

True that, but there is a train of thought that sometimes too much protection might make you crash so it becomes less

[@ThCrunch]

@@vegasromaniac Yep. There's definitely a balance, and it's very subjective.

[@Seldoff]

You MUST wear Asterisk braces over the sleeve that comes with them. It's night and day difference in comfort. I use Asterisk knee braces and it's put on and forget. Zero issues with comfort, bulk or weight. If you on the edge whether to buy knee braces or not, please try them out. Do not base your decisions about protective gear on youtube videos alone. Edit: also, Asterisks come in several sizes and have several adjustments helping them to sit tightly and not slide or cause discomfort. I wonder if one in video has right size and was properly adjusted to the leg?

[@vegasromaniac]

Yeah, I've heard people getting used to it but I doubt I would go that far,... I hated every minute being in it.. At this pojt I'm inclined to play my Vegas luck and see what happens

[@Seldoff]

Yeah, everyone is different. For me first few rides where awkward, then suddenly it's like they are just not there. Try use their sleeve, may be it would make difference for you.

[@26heinrich]

I agree completely! I broke my knee using normal knee guards! have been riding with asterisk braces for probably 6years now. Can't ride without them. Have spent long days on my offroad motorcycle aswell as riding motocross and comfort is no issue. Having the right foot posision on the pegs also puts your knees perfectly against the motorcycle and grips on thightly!

[@dalepellerin]

I have the Pod braces and I don't even notice them once I start riding. In fact, my buddies all take their braces/pads off and I just wear mine out for beers after they're so comfortable. But, I have no idea if they really protect. I've crashed and hit my knee and they protected the knee from impact but not sure about the hyperextension or anything else. I always wear a base layer under my pants and the brace over my base layer so it's a lot more comfortable. But again, I don't know if these really work or not. I crashed a lot when I first started riding but had the Pods on and never got hurt (when I say crashed a lot, I mean like 2 or 3 times every ride...had never even sat on a motorcycle until February and have 1500 miles in 5 months).

[@alexsimmons50]

Proper sizing and fit with help prevent them slipping down. You knees not touching is because your normal riding position has the wrong footing. Balls of your feet, pointing straight , if not slightly inwards. Then your knees could pushed against the bike. Try the proper fitting braces, then try again. Try proper positioning and try again. And nobody rides with their heels touching their butt for hours as you say. This is much better than $40 guards, and is an excellent option for knee protection.

[@brianricoh3242]

((kNee braces are very protective, cause you'll hate them so much , you be riding less! Very funny!))But yeah I tried a couple brands of knee braces a few years back, and just dint seem very functional with weight and eventual droopage. Some were definitely better than others, but I don't recall which brands they were, I think one might have been EVS, but it came down to the functionality of the brace for me, over any protective value.

[@vegasromaniac]

Yeah man, they are just not designed for confort

[@kings17court]

I don't ride at a level that would justify the cost of full on knee braces. I use a product by Leatt that I would call a glorified knee guard. They are the Leatt Dual Axis Knee Guards, and I like the level of protection that they offer, and they are all day comfortable. Just something to consider if you want knee protection, but don't want $500+ knee braces.

[@ericmiles1852]

I will not ride without braces. Trashed my knees before i got braces. I wish they were readily available in the mid 80's. I cant even tell i have mine on. (Asterisk) If adjusted properly they will not slide down. $600 is a small investment compared to a $45,000 knee replacement

[@vegasromaniac]

True but the braces don't offer a guarantee, and the truth is that the asterisk were so uncomfortable I rather not ride so I'll try my luck without any

[@Jay-gs5xg]

After watching this I think I know why Mobius won’t give you some to try.

[@vegasromaniac]

it's all about the hidden side of the truth man , some get upset some get useful info out of it . It's all a scam ...at the end like oil , same stuff int eh bottle with different stickers !

[@AndrewBrowner]

@@vegasromaniac this right here.. id love to someone take walmart 5$ oil and some top end amsoil or whatever of the same viscosity and put them in unmarked jars see if someone with realistic tests can tell the difference, or put them in peoples test vehicles without them knowing what brand theyre using and see which make it the longest.. drivers will have 100x the impact then the oil but overall in their theory there should be a trend

[@red303dat]

@@AndrewBrowner yeh check out Farm project he ran tests over a lot of oils

[@ryanfowler2595]

red303dat exactly

[@howiefine3074]

Easy to get used to.

[@WildEnduro]

Knee braces are mandatory safety equipment on enduro riding. I wear an Apinestars Fluid Carbon fiber ... very light, comfortable and not bulky at all !

[@lennykobilca9722]

Leatt knee braces run for about 400 and I find them to be very comfortable. They have saved my ass countless times too. I would never ride without them. They dont slip at all either

[@EddyRoblesOficial]

Good point! However, I’d put up with those cons instead of having a knee twisted the wrong way :S Ouch. (Or at least, prevent injury)

[@vegasromaniac]

It doesn't help with twisting .. just over extension and only in some cases .. it's a gimmick

[@Trad-Am]

Used to have asterisk, Now run Fox pods, and neither one fit good. You really need to have some fit to you. I do almost always wear them, but that's because I've had to pop my left knee back in on the mountain, and ride back to the truck, and it brings tears to your eyes!

[@vegasromaniac]

All good Info to have

[@johnkimball3106]

I wear dual pod k8 2.0s for dirtbiking and pop the patella guards off for skiing. Once you wear them once or twice you dont notice them.

[@vegasromaniac]

I had knee guards that I wore 3 or 4 times than put them in the garbage some things you just can't get used to

[@wrenchone5003]

600$ alot less than a knee surgery I'm actually in the market for some now I wish I could try on several at a time to see what fit best.

[@vegasromaniac]

I'm in the same situation, and I'm glad I made this video,it seems that people live the leatt c Frame the most,. I really wanna look in to it

[@IKiskiI]

Won't ride without my mobius braces. And "they make you ride less"? I just put 6 hours on my bike yesterday doing gnarly single track with my braces on.

[@vegasromaniac]

That's awesome

[@michaelselix8817]

If you have medical ins. I got a script for the CTi2 or CTi carbon fiber braces they are fitted to your leg, i got m if first pair years ago, no other over the counter is stiffer for side flex, only down side is the knee cap is cheezy but it works, very fine tunable with pads .

[@vegasromaniac]

Problem with insiamrance is that deductible is more than motocross knee braces

[@dingerjunkie]

Check out the Leatt C-Frame...no inner hinge, good hyperextension protection...X-frame is more traditional in design, and actually provides enough protection that is recognized as a medical device.

[@vegasromaniac]

I need to check with my doctor.. Maybe I can make the insurance pay for it

[@motosporttouring]

I bought the Acerbis Impact Evo for about $45. They seem to work well. They aren't knee braces but offer decent protection.

[@jamesdavison5755]

Hahaha just get used to them ive been riding in knee braces for over six years now and i dont even feel them when i ride. U can actually grip the bike harder with them cause the padding stops your leg from hurting. The ones u have are the safest since they have that strap that connects to the boot

[@ericmac564]

Did you size these for YOUR knee? Have you had a knee injury? Did you know that your "foot" is at the distal end of your leg, and your "knee" is the hinge in your leg? So much mis-information in this video.

[@vegasromaniac]

But also so many empty promises from the hinges

[@deej2112]

@@vegasromaniac did your boots guarantee that you'll never hurt your foot again? did you helmet promise you that your head wont hurt when you fall on it? are you actually serious with this guarantee shit.

[@advsquared]

I have always used Leatt Dual Axis knee guards (not a brace). The give good knee cap protection and I only notice them when they slice down but that's because my leg/calf is too skinny and I run out of velcro adjustment to make them tight enough. I am just about to buy the new Pod K8 knee braces (you did not mention them in your video) to try them out as I am also getting scarred about injuring my knees and want more protection. They just redesigned them and it looks like it will work much better than their old design. You will get used to knee braces, just like you get used to MX boots, as long as they fit and are a good design.

[@vegasromaniac]

Well, from all my comments, it seems that people are most happy with leatt c Frame, as fas as confort and safety, a perfect compromise. We will see I'm trying to get my hands on a pair.

[@dring83]

i wore knee braces for i long time and if you have the braces properly sized then they won't slid down like you said ,, now you said the braces you are showing in the video you got from a friend they look too big or are not adjusted right i was running asterisks and for my size of braces which were XL mine were the older design and were more difficult to put on and wear.. so other than when you are talking about the fit you seem to be spot on

[@mihaidobrescu7430]

Leatt Dual Axis Very good protection at 80$. Very light and comfortable. Good straps, they dont slide down. Good fit. Best buy. DonJoy looking also comfortable.

[@vegasromaniac]

Yeah the look ok , I've been looking at those m

[@bobriley000444]

helpful video, will be interesting to see if you find a model that you can tolerate and give a good test. I have no doubt these same complaints were made about hard bulky plastic boots (that we all use today) when they were being introduced, just about finding what fits best and getting used to them.

[@vegasromaniac]

Yeah I'm defenatlry searching, I am inclined to look in to leatt c Frame based on what people always recommend in the comments, but untill I do 40 miles on it, I won't give a verdict

[@Rah1381]

I wear alpine stars fluid brace but they scratched my graphics off when i ride; But they are reasonably comfortble fit well in my fox 180 boot and dont shift too often. But sometimes are the right angle they pinch me on the thigh.

[@vegasromaniac]

Yeah confort is a big problem

[@joeyguzzo7347]

First of all, You're wearing the braces incorrectly. They are loose up top still and need adjusted to conform to your leg. Secondly, watching you grip the bike.... you don't ride with duck feet, you ride with your toes pointed more inwards. That's another reason why you were having issues with the feeling on the bike. I appreciate your video but it is wrong on all accounts. Make sure the braces are the right size, fitted properly, worn properly, stand on the pegs properly, and then just get used to them. They are much better protection than guards, or nothing.

[@roostin]

100% agree with you

[@andychips6923]

Pod k4’s... $500. They’re excellent. Also WEAR SLEEVES under the braces.. Pods sell a rebuild kit for the hinge as well as the pads, etc.. mobius braces are hot and bulky. I got used to the pods instantly.. also a few people I’ve talked to like knee braces for helping grip the bike.. your Yamaha is thick at the tank.. just sold mine I know... haha pods have maybe a 1/2” thickness between the knee and the tank. They’re like a pair of boots. Have them for 5+ years and forget you even bought them back in the day

[@vegasromaniac]

Awesome good to know..

[@azdesertdog]

You just can't un-see this. A little too much thigh. I work in construction. We have a ton of safety equipment to deal with. What they discovered about ten years ago is if it is restrictive, uncomfortable and complex to use. Not only will not be warn and reduce productivity but it will actually cause injuries. Case in point the widespread requirements for back braces in the early 2000's. Like you said even if it protects you what good is if you can not comfortable perform the activity. I'm at the point now where I can barely get my leg over the bike (age/injury/arthritis). Wearing these would end riding off road for me.

[@vegasromaniac]

Sorry to hear that dude.. Yeah you are right about some points you made in this comment

[@pabloaranegui2749]

We all agree knee braces are not cheap. And we agree too it’s mandatory try them on. Never buy a knee brace without try it first. Here comes the worse part: it’s imposible to find a local shop where we can check and to try the different brands and choose the right one for us. The brand that fit your knees. Talking about Spain but i’m afraid it’s not the only place. So, after searching for web’s info we END UP BUYING ON LINE WITHOUT TRYING THE KNEE BRACES OUT FIRST, even though we’re aware it’s a mistake. Maybe we don’t choose the proper brand for us, or we do not know how to adjust them properly or whatever, but I would really appreciate a shop who offers me several options and a good piece of advice and then my opinion and decision about wearing or not, worth or not the money... would change. Imao.

[@vegasromaniac]

Agreed

[@blazers12369]

It’s like condoms except no guarantee they will protect

[@vegasromaniac]

Haha

[@MrCheaterpipe]

Don joy custom knee braces look like the most comfortable that I've seen they are good enough for professional athletes and way lighter and less bulky

[@vegasromaniac]

You got any particular model you got experience with?

[@MrCheaterpipe]

Vegas RoManiac never worn a pair but have researched into getting braces and from what I've read and seen donjoy puts all competitors to shame they are just braces no pads or shinguards but they look like they shouldn't interfere if you decided to add impact protection you have to go see somebody to get them fitted so I would ask one of those guys about it to make sure

[@vegasromaniac]

@@MrCheaterpipe if you Atmore talking about medical knee guards, that is a way to go, I wonder if my insurance will pay for it. I need to call my doctor.

[@daddister7471]

Great review! I ordered a pair of cheaper knee braces last year, tried them on upon arrival, bent down a couple times and immediately put them back in the box and returned them. I've been using the Thor Force XP $100 per pair models and think they're pretty decent. I wear my knee guards over my pants so I don't get as much pinching and binding as many people report with their specific guards.

[@vegasromaniac]

Yeah man, it's hard to decide, I wish one company gonna make a pair in between the knee braces and knee guards so everybody is happy

[@donaldblank8873]

I could not ride work or barely even walk without my pod knee brace. I tore my knees up really bad writing. And without these pod knee braces I would not be able to ride at all. I wear them every day. Nowadays knee surgery is b*******. I'm a plumber and these knee braces allow me to work. They was worth the 800 bucks. Without them my wobble. They are not perfect but they are a benefit. I just have to learn to ride better and do not put my foot down. I ride hard enduro where I live. Southern Oregon.

[@Annon89]

I also don’t like helmets riding boots. Riding gloves. Chest protectors. Jackets. All of which cost a lot and make me feel claustrophobic. Armor up and like another commenter said. Much cheaper than surgery or never riding again.

[@vegasromaniac]

Cool bro

[@damonjones8121]

I have asteriks pods and they have been great I got used to them in about a week and I would never go back to just knee pads

[@vegasromaniac]

Good to know

[@thumbgas888]

I have EVS braces and hate how unconfortable they are,they are ok for like a 45min ride but I find them kinda restrictive also. Great vid man!!

[@vegasromaniac]

Yes I had the evs, they look good but they are terrible to stand in it for 6 hours

[@thumbgas888]

@@vegasromaniac the thing is if you dont use the super tall socks or cycling long legins it will scrape your knees if some sand goes in between the pad and your knee,also they like to go down if you ride rough Terrain,I almost every time see myself using my $30 Thor knee shields wich are light and super confortable,and like a friend once told me, "Confortable is fast", if you feel constricted, it hinders your Mobility and that makes you slower. I have forgotten my knee pads and I've ridden without them, and holy smokes I can ride a lot better but that's not smart . Now I am debating on what kind of boots to get I have Maverick boots which are very cheap but they are very heavy. Could you point me to a nice pair of boots that will be light comfortable for off-road riding?

[@craigsteinman9807]

I can handle the discomfort ..can anyone tell me if the arterisk or any of the others prevents u from gripping tank..that point really worries me

[@ScottRidesHonda]

A lot of these knee baces seem to be entirely constructed of plastic. I fail to see how that is supposed to protect your knee from any type of hyper extension. The only knee braces I would use are the custom fit ones, but they don't seem to be made for enduro/motocross.

[@vegasromaniac]

They are not worth it, and if they are too strong they will snap your foot somewhere else

[@mattschwensen9562]

You may of heard of Pop and Leatt.. I think they might have made a knee brace or two....

[@WheelsMissing]

just as bad, just sent back the C-frame imf*ckinpossible to wear comfortably.

[@evo5349]

I have raced for 20+ years and have acl damage on both knees so bought the Asterisk braces and raced with them for two years but my fuel injected 450 cut out mid air over a table top so jumped off mid air and landed on the down face off said jump and the braces saved my Acl on my right side but transferred the load into my femur which broke into 4 pieces and required one 8 hour operation. The brace didn't break so passed the load into the bone so I think knee braces need to be weaker to spread the load.

[@vegasromaniac]

This is a sad story , I'm glad you are ok and yes I agree with you it's not all good there are bad things that could happen when you have too much protection

[@evo5349]

Thanks The story didn't end there as 8 weeks in while getting on a fixed bicycle in the gym doing training and snapped the main pin and found the surgeon had put the wrong size pins in my leg so another operation one week later to fit larger pins as he was on holiday and other surgeon wont operate on another's work.

[@theDudeOfDudes]

Ugh, and to think I complained about broken vertebrae... That sounds painful as shit.

[@taipan185]

Just a thought for you mate. The top of the brace looks to not have been adjusted to fit your thigh and has a big gap even after you did the strap up. You see those two thin metal bands at the top? It looks like you need to tighten them a fair bit.

[@joelsdobermans45]

I ride with CTI and love them carbon fiber but they are a pro level price $900 each. But I used my medical insurance

[@vegasromaniac]

How that works, thru the insurance mine doesn't wanna cover it unless I can prove injury

[@pathetic_bot9476]

Use evs pads that are just as or even more bulky than knee braces but have crashed many times and never damaged or hurt my knee

[@vegasromaniac]

Good for you,

[@LB-kv5ve]

Awesome informative video. Thanks

[@vegasromaniac]

Happy to be of help

[@bobthedealer9970]

Ruptured my ACL my solution is the Pod K8 knee braces one of if not the lightest and most advanced braces on the market, yes they are expensive but you get what you pay for, a few of the issues you addressed in this video are fitment issues those braces are to big for your leg

[@brianh8484]

Bob the Dealer I’ve been looking at the new K8 Carbon braces. Is that what you have? You recommend?

[@vegasromaniac]

Pod k8 brace has the same flaw as all the others, no back of the knee support, in a hyper extension situation they will do nothing.. Guaranteed

[@nickg2431]

A great video ,i found EXACTLY the same problems as you did and the slipping down drives me mad.I dont use them and am looking now at trying knee sleeves with light neoprene armour PLUS hard armour over the top.

[@bluediamond340]

I have the Asterics Ultra Cell 2.0 and many times it saved my knee. It's true that in 37 degrees Celsius they are uncomfortable but when you knee is cought between a hard place and your bike moving forward... Man... It is true that they move, and it is true that you sweat more, but ACL injury in times of Covid 19 and at my age... Sorry, I prefer to bring my cammel bag and sweet and ride single tracks all summer long than limping for 4 months and never having the same knees again. Really... It's just a question of time if you do enduro

[@vegasromaniac]

I agree with your u except the statement in the beginig, " they saved my knee many times" how do you know? I have been riding my bike for the past 7 years with normal knee guards and they saved my knee many times! You see, there is no way to know if they actually worr ot you are just uncomfortable in them., I do agree about the Acl, it sucks

[@bluediamond340]

@@vegasromaniac well, when you put your foot down and you feel your knee staying back and your bike and body moving forward, and all of a sudden your entire right side moves with your boot, it's not magic, it the brace

[@floydball9421]

Look on Rocky Mountain ATV they did a review of like five of them that looks pretty promising under KZbin channel

[@memmo7732]

This is a common argue, knee brace or pads. I used to hate braces, especially those brands that are not custom made. Don Joy and Ortema are the best in the market, expensive yes, but a good insurance will cover it and they are less bulky. I hated the Leatt, sold them after 2 months, but a thing i suggest you is always wear brace socks, the one i use hug the brace on top and cant slide down, more comfortable on your skin. The moebious is so freaking hot that i cant use it here.

[@vegasromaniac]

Good to know, thanks for the advice

[@nemc43]

Well I don’t have a pro knee guards. But I have acebris knee guards and they protect good and are quite comfortable and they are around 100$

[@vegasromaniac]

Agreed but I'm searching for something that protect for hyper extension and the plastic ones don't

[@eddiekelley527]

I have some leatt-C frame pro carbon braces. They were pricey but they are cheaper than knee surgery. Had a crash this weekend and I know my knees would have been injured if I had guards. Also look into SIDI and or Gaerne boots as well.

[@vegasromaniac]

Good to know

[@HurleyInternational1]

Thank you! Really respect your opinion.

[@vegasromaniac]

Thanks for watching I hope you got the info you needed

[@piuteben]

geez my kneez. please protect them. evs knees braces have saved the day many times

[@vegasromaniac]

Yeha it's all about believing in it. The truth is that you will never know if they actually protected you or you were just happy to have them on.

[@talon0863]

I don't know how to say leg in Romanian, in french its: jambe.

[@paulcoverdale8312]

So, are these the kit Dakar rides use for many hrs a day?????