"What you brace you make weaker" Ryan Hughes explains his positions on knee/neck braces- Gypsy Tales

[@barswapmedia]

I've raced dirt bikes for 30 years with no knee braces on and recently decided to get a pair and I do not notice a difference at all. I agree that in certain circumstances bracing things causes weakness like weight belts or taped ankles but a knee brace doesn't limit range of motion it only prevents unnatural range of motion that you shouldn't be doing anyway so biomechanically it's not weakening anything. I really hope people critically think about this because his point of view doesn't match the biomechanics at all.

[@ryanmock2635]

Its almost as if ryno needs to take his own advice and not be afraid of change. neck braces, sure, they limit movement. but the knee braces these days allow full movement unless it shouldnt be happening.

[@chupacabraracing181]

Whatever area you make stronger/supported, another area will be the weak point and break. It's motocross. Injuries are going to happen.

[@ryanmock2635]

@@chupacabraracing181 that’s true. Just me but I’d rather a broken leg than alphabet soup in my knee. You’re right tho. Somethins gotta give

[@Degenerate124]

After blowing my knee out I regret not wearing braces. Always heard of you wear them you’ll break your femur. I think I’d rather a broken femur than the bs iv dealt with my knee almost losing my entire leg from it and 9 months later still can’t bend it more than 40° not even able to walk really because my legs straight constantly.

[@kerontucker4488]

@@Degenerate124 because you’ve never broken your femur b

[@Iwasthewalrus]

These podcasts are absolutely incredible.

[@ryanmock2635]

I agree with the neck brace comments, however the knee braces are staying. I'd rather have a broken leg than a destroyed knee.

[@Ahaggah]

But there is data that indicates that neck braces are very effective at preventing cervical injuries. Look up "Neck-Brace Effectiveness Study - Updated".

[@Team_Banchamek]

@@Ahaggah if the study was funded by neck braces company’s then its irrelevant. Tbh I think they’re a gimmick just to squeeze more money out of the sport. You have to see where the funding comes from for a lot of these studies.

[@Ahaggah]

@@Team_Banchamek "Here is the report Great Lakes EMS provided related to real-world neck-brace statistics pulled from their database from the last 10 years."

[@Ahaggah]

It's just data collected over the years. I don't think anyone funded the study.

[@Ahaggah]

@@Team_Banchamek Maybe you should just go look up the study instead of saying they are a gimmick while the data indicates otherwise.

[@AjCatanzaro]

It’s frustrating to see how many people call Ryno “crazy”. What he’s saying makes sense. Does he take a harder stance on this topic than I do? Sure. But I’ve had countless students approach me in the middle of class and say “hey aj, I can’t see anymore with my neck brace on because of the position you’re putting me in, can I try riding without it?”, or “hey aj, I can’t feel my bike that well with my big knee braces on, can I try some of the Tp199 pads that you wear to see if it helps me grip the bike?”. I’ve torn my acl with a full blown brace on. I now wear knee pads because I feel more safe and like I have more control. Therefore the likelihood of me making a mistake or crashing is much less. Same theory could potentially be debated with neck braces. I think it’s a good topic to be discussed and I think the truth may lie somewhere in the middle. More people should listen to Ryno though, I can count on one hand how many people on this planet have as much knowledge as he does when it comes to our sport.

[@GYPSYTALES]

🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼

[@bella0167]

53 year old vet still racing .Never braced knees or neck.Still feeling STRONG.

[@E63s_Scott]

The whole neck brace deal is crazy what people think. I’ve worn a Leatt one for years and still do. I had my worse crash in 2009 and my legs came over my head from behind and went into a ditch and into a tree stump. I had laceration to my liver and vertebrae damage, for sure I think I would have been paralysed without the extra support the brace and leatt chest protector gave me on impact. Its never restricted my movement whilst riding I feel and it certainly hasn’t made me crash.

[@mr.matteroffact2822]

I’m not going to wear a helmet anymore, I want to strengthen my head.

[@Blackbadgerz]

😂😂

[@jamespatterson2002]

A HELMET IS NOT A BRACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@mr.matteroffact2822]

@@jamespatterson2002 your sense of humor needs a brace.

[@redneckwithajeep5001]

@@mr.matteroffact2822 we don’t want to make his sense of humor weaker damn it!

[@sean2943]

Underrated comment 🤣😂🤣!!

[@joeybishop7604]

I wear CTi knee braces, and I have since 1991. Knee injury and surgery, prior to the knee braces. CTi braces allow full and natural motion. No injuries since 1991. Knee braces don’t make your knees weaker.

[@danacarr731]

CTI are probably the best knee braces a person can get. For the folks that can't afford CTI braces, mobius braces are solid.

[@Wilkesy259]

Unfortunately knee braces do make ur knees weaker (because u dont use the stabilizing muscles in ur knee/leg) but as someone who has had knee surgery etc and ran braces ever since i understand the fear of riding without them but im not gunna lie, my knees are wealer from using knee braces, its just fact.

[@kerontucker4488]

But they do tho. It’s not even debatable

[@cshepard09]

you are speaking from the perspective of a hobby rider who doesn't ride hard every single day of your life. wearing braces might work for you as an amatuer.. this guys is talking about pro racers, doesnt compare to your experience at all.

[@kadenreyment8736]

@@Wilkesy259 that's why they go to the gym during the week to build up strength in those places

[@Ben-vh9wy]

I’ll never ride without knee braces, they can’t get much weaker after multiple surgeries 😂

[@BioDjango]

I rather have knee braces then not being able to do my job

[@AaronCurtin]

I think this is more for people who race for a living, not us mere amateurs. We all have to wake up Monday morning and work, riding is just a hobby

[@kylelangworthy9641]

LOL I just posted my comment before reading lol I totally agree I've had multiple knee injuries with multiple surgeries and I literally where my X braces to hold my knees in place cuz they will not do it on their own anymore

[@Ben-vh9wy]

@@AaronCurtin For the pros too tho man so many wear them, even if it just saves them from a cut on your knee it’s easier to get up and race again rather then going to get stitches. Don’t really understand what he means apart from the neck brace but I think everyone is on the same page with them, they don’t work.

[@jowens4160]

If you listen to the whole podcast he mentions that he does agree with using braces after an injury. He is talking about using braces on a joint that has never been injured.

[@rstephen001]

This is why i wear tennis shoes when i ride, the freedom of movement in my ankles lets me have perfect technique lol.

[@jacksonbradley6191]

I prefer my thongs, helps my feet feel the brake and shift lever better.

[@enlightenedidiot9552]

That's a terrible idea...

[@W4LKER22.]

Dude..., NO.

[@toyotaecw]

@@jacksonbradley6191 Same, but I’m talking about the under garment

[@musill7776]

Flip flops on Harley is a fun one to see🤔

[@JusticeSather]

I appreciate what Ryno has to say about Braces. I've been wearing every piece of equipment to protect myself since day one. I recently broke my neck brace and have been riding without it since and it has completely freed up my movement. I can see forward and get my body position right, it's so nice. One thing I will not remove are my knee braces. I get what Ryno says about Prevention vs. Cure, but I'm not at a level that would require me to have 100% free movement. Especially when NOT every crash is YOUR fault

[@bloomerb4162]

Yeah it really depends what level your on and if it's worth the risk. At top levels in the sport it could be beneficial to them not to wear braces.

[@chasejiannalone8763]

My knees are a dumpster fire so my Asterisks are on no matter what. I agree with his theory but I know they have saved me many times. Neck brace is the one I cannot seem to get used to for all the reasons others have stated , I feel I am more likely to crash if I can't see where I'm going and that's the problem with the neck brace.

[@JustinMentionedIt]

That’s why you need a free flowing brace that doesn’t restrict flow only protects from over extensions

[@MJW59]

This is one of the best GYPSY TALES podcasts. Great guest and Jase seems more laid back and lets Ryan talk.

[@Dirtbiker4541]

As a weekend warrior and someone who has blown a knee out I will always ride with kneee braces just for peace of mind, along with not getting knees beat to shit on shrouds etc

[@mountainslapstick6170]

no one is paying my medical bills to go ride. If on the off chance it saves me I'm all for it. I'm in the same boat as you.

[@mickey26684]

I went over the bars landed on my head few weeks after I started wearing a next brace snapped the rear support off my neck brace after that I was convinced wearing one is the right choice Couple years later landed on a rider who cross jumped me went over the bars landed on my head broke my T4/5/6 it was the rear support that pushed into my spine and caused the fractures, Not worn a neck brace since!

[@goatyachty1762]

Jase is the best man! I don't know what I'd do without this podcast, its taught me so much!

[@GYPSYTALES]

Thanks lord. Stoked

[@PIF95]

I’m a Doctor of Physical Therapy. It doesn’t matter what this guy thinks is logical. The objective evidence is clear on this topic: Bracing does not create muscle weaknesses or imbalances, it actually does the opposite. It strengthens the muscles, increases functional mobility, and provides stability to decrease further injury. If this guy had a basic understanding of anatomy and biomechanics, he would see that his explanation is actually not logical at all.

[@sideast]

That’s not what he’s saying

[@Xeil]

That's not what he's saying. The brace works. He's saying you're taking away mobility and the opportunity to ride the motorcycle more effectively and safely overall when you decide to use them. More control means less chance of injury, too. That's a given. For the average Joe, I think they're awesome! I personally don't like using them and hate feeling restricted. I feel a difference when I ride in a comfortable position on the bike. To each their own however. We're not in a sport where safety is promised even with proper gear.

[@br6dk]

knee pads > braces, and wayyyy cheaper

[@stevemcdowell123]

Doctors are nerds

[@barendfourie6687]

Im an old guy that have seen some things. Formula one drivers are the most highly trained people around so why are they adding savety gear. I dont care how well this guy train you you can simply fall over and bust your knee, but he wont talk to you afterwards because you were stupid enough to not have the right gear.

[@HeadpainWontStopMe]

Love ya Ryno, but crashing is inevitable. Reducing the probability of crashing makes sense, but I'm not sure what % of the crashes could actually be prevented by removing braces. I do know that I want braces on my joints WHEN I crash or make the mistake. I accept your assumption that bracing increases risk of fractures. It's probably also fair to accept the assumption (and the data) that braces prevent damage to fragile joints. I'll take the increased leg fracture risk all day long in exchange for a lower risk of a blown out knee. I say this as someone who has suffered a compound fractured femur (unbraced by the way).

[@micahhook3576]

I can tell he has a huge ego sometimes thats a bad thing when it comes to knowledge

[@blubug768]

I can tell he loves the smell of his own farts. He's Gods gift to the earth and he lets everyone know it.

[@johanneso6083]

@@blubug768 sir, you won! *just came here for the comments.

[@Scentedsam1993]

He’s just a contrarian. He didn’t provide any real evidence that knee braces or neck braces don’t work. You can’t ever do a study that has a control group crashing the exact same way as someone with a brace so there’s never gonna be a real statistic that proves anything he says is right or wrong.

[@johntomasik1555]

Especially when that knowledge is basically talking out of your ass.

[@C_R_O_M________]

@@Scentedsam1993 that goes both ways! If he can't prove the ineffectiveness of those contraptions, then their effectiveness are equally murky. He makes perfect sense to me, as an ex pro-athlete for 16 years who has worn knee braces and watched micro-muscles around the knee joint weakened as a result.

[@stickythrottle5259]

Dude, please consider posting the whole video, if not here, than at least Spotify. I just listened to the whole podcast and some parts I know Ryno was demonstrating shit and it would've been cool to watch it!

[@kdxkyle]

Wish I wore knee braces before I needed them. Gently dabbed the ground with my foot. $5k knee surgery and a year later and my knee still doesn't feel back to normal. I'm sure I wouldn't have screwed up my knee if I was using braces.

[@chazzgonzalez1356]

@Jonathan Spier I don’t think knee braces would prevent you’re leg jabbing into the ground..

[@madMX96]

i will second that, you were unlucky and knee brace would have not help in that situation. Even with made to measure braces is not posible to prevent rotation, you would need to have brace so tight that you stop blood circulating.

[@cgreeneblue]

@@madMX96 Custom knee braces do reduce combined varus / valgus and rotary stresses.

[@C_R_O_M________]

You assume that you wouldn't need the surgery.

[@ravenhawke5]

This is exactly what my Doctor told me when I was 16 in 1995. Don't wear a brace that hasn't been prescribed by a doctor for the sole purpose to stabilize the area that the brace is needed until you build up the strength and muscles to support the area in question. Once the area is built up enough to stabilize the affected area loose the brace.

[@cheadenny8256]

*10 years later* Ryan: i think all the pro riders should ride naked 🤠

[@MsElijah16]

Yes man yes man yes man

[@Dwitter271]

Bubble wrap time

[@FHCOutdoors]

Prevention is better than cure, just like maintenance is better than repair. This video is gold. Good shit, loving your channel!

[@Finnawindow7X7]

I have always said this. I bought a pair of asterisk knee braces and I used them for about a year. They absolutely prevented me from weighting the outside peg. I tried a pair of pull over soccer or volleyball braces from Big 5 and they did everything the Asterisks did but gave me the mobility I needed

[@jessegarrett7215]

He’s brilliant. I would love to be able to get coached by Ryan. He’s incredibly insightful

[@justinwhittaker3819]

Same

[@Ahaggah]

Yeah, but he is wrong about the effectiveness of neck braces

[@mav459]

@@Ahaggah He is wrong about absolutely everything that spews out of his mouth. This dude has never conducted actual tests to back any of his claims. It is 100% his opinion. None of this shit he says is true.

[@scottlea2007]

Personally, I 100% disagree. I ride and race enduro in Canada. I had a really wicked crash years ago, and I fell 7/8 feet straight onto my head. If I didn’t have my neck brace on, I would most definitely have a broken back or neck. It took the impact and put it onto my shoulders instead of my neck. I also wear CTI2 knee braces and I feel so much more comfortable with them, than without them. But like anything, to each their own. Just thought I’d put my two cents in. Let’s keep this moto community strong 🤘🏼

[@WilAlexander]

I think the legitimate discussion should more about stabilizing braces (Knee, Elbow, Ankle). Looping in everything that has the name brace is where it goes awry. I think about neck braces more as an impact reduction system, like a helmet or a plastic knee pad .

[@johanneso6083]

I bet you also wore a backprotector to distribute the force transfered from your neckbrace. That detail that neckbraces are a part of a system seems to be lost on these "experts" RTFM.. A Neckbrace without a backprotector is like wrapping your seatbelt around your neck and claiming that seatbelts will kill you in an accident. :)

[@johnnyskied]

Not the new POD braces. They allow the natural motion of your knee. They keep your motion natural until you get to the point where damage can take place and then stop.

[@donalddonaldson7211]

I got me some pods last year and they allow me to be more confident on the bike and not afraid of twisting or knee banging

[@NirHason]

@@donalddonaldson7211 They won't protect against twisting.

[@donalddonaldson7211]

@@NirHason they have four straps, better than not having them for sure though

[@C_R_O_M________]

@@donalddonaldson7211 "better than not having them for sure though" >>That's your arbitrary interpretation, in real life you don't know what's better, to have those straps or not. There's always a compromise involved.

[@tacoenvy]

I respect Ryno but the knee brace thing is ridiculous. The sport is already bad enough with some gnarly injuries and to tell people don’t use this protective equipment is silly. ALL of the guys riding now especially the top guys wear knee braces. And they are perfectly fine with them and the braces have gotten better and better and don’t nearly restrict the movement that bad. You can follow his advice and have perfect technique and unrestricted but what happens when someone else crash’s and collects you in it and you’ve broken your knee or legs causing major damage or damage to a previous injury because you throw the knee braces off. Especially when you have average weekend joes that take this advice and mess their knees or legs up. If it happens remember who told you not to wear it. Crashing is inevitable, and like I said I like Ryno but this is silly.

[@je7647]

you can get a broken leg so bad it ruins your life I nearly have a lot of people dont realise that

[@davidgauvin8441]

Liking your podcasts. As a new mx rider at 57 years old I'm depending on, in order of importance, good coaching/instruction, workouts/stretching, additional protection (neck and knee braces). Both devices are properly adjusted and have already been useful since I am still working on fundamentals and finding traction limitations. Maybe once my skill level changes I might ditch both, but for now they seem to help with my confidence. I appreciate Ryan's insight, coaching and what he's done for the sport.

[@reecebiddiscombe3117]

I started just a little younger (40's) and took the same approach. I've just ditched the neck brace but can't see/feel any restriction from the knee braces at all so keeping them. Adopt and train the toes in, butt out, straight back, loose arms riding position ASAP. It'll be harder to change later and you'll be safer through better control. If the neck brace stops you adopting and maintaining that riding position, ditch it.

[@benbawden3348]

These podcasts are absolutely rokkin dude 👏👏

[@pinkflamingos69]

If you wore knee braces while doing gym work then yeah, but if you do the right work during the week, you will then have the protection of the brace and have strength in your knees. If you only ride for exercise and don't do anything else, then it could be an issue. I'm sure this dude is super smart and seems generally respected, but dude just seems like he's got a boner against protective gear. I suppose they would also ride better if they didn't have that annoying helmet on!

[@palmerknoblock9570]

Bruh that’s not even comparable to knee braces 😂

[@trentonchristensen3829]

I would like to see some enduro guys and Ryan sipes, but I love the content keep going!

[@jacksonrohr8058]

I’m pretty sure Tomac wears knee braces and has zero issues going fast and riding his bike at the top level

[@tacoenvy]

They all do.

[@ashtonsalfarlie8035]

cooper webb doesn't wear braces anymore

[@cshepard09]

explains why hes completely out of the title run this year.. not really a good example

[@jacksonrohr8058]

@@cshepard09 you do realize he does wear knee braces right, you can literally see them in pictures from this year

[@trevorbaima7048]

You missed Rynos point! Eli is probably so use to use to being uncomfortable it feels normal by now, doesn't make him a terrible rider by no means.

[@kristianperry9679]

Mind blowing thought process! Amazing content. So how do you know if your comfortable and starting in the right position?

[@GYPSYTALES]

I bought a set of Leatt knee pads after the podcast and the comfort comes just from being able to feel the bike so much more. That makes it easier to feel the correct position on the bike because you are more sensitive to your own positioning.

[@upsidedownbruh5281]

@@GYPSYTALES I wear leatt knee guards also, they're awesome.

[@kristianperry9679]

@@GYPSYTALES yup. I totally get that. Snapped acl 12 weeks ago with knee braces on. Awesome videos jase. Everything you do bud, its mint. Keep up the great work

[@SupercarEngg]

I wish I had knee braces before I messed up my knee. 20 years of MX racing didn't prepare it for a dismount onto a hard clay. And I am not going to test my neck, thank you very much.

[@TommyNitro]

"What you brace, you make weaker." And I immediately discard the opinion of the person making this statement. Hope he doesn't wear mx boots. They make those ankles and feet weak!!!

[@BADGOLFCODE]

I agree. A t shirt and jeans is great to ride in with hiking boots. Sure, choose safety vs fast riding. That's why FMX guys ride mostly without neckbraces etc... Travis did the first double flip with a neck brace and body armour. It is quite likely that studies have been (by large, well funded companies) done and one can possibly calculate the increase and decreases in probability of both crashing and resultant injury respectively to a significant degree of accuracy.

[@jimmywitman7943]

So very true you brace something it transfers the load to the next joint...and greatly increases strain and tension

[@ericmorris1056]

Just finished the hole podcast on Spotify Man hole thing SO FING GOOD need more cheers for the great content 👌

[@kelceyk8199]

I understand the neck brace thing because it absolutely limits your mobility and affects body position, but a knee brace doesn't affect any of that, it's dumb to not use it. In my case it even helps me squeeze the bike more because of the extra leverage caused by the thickness of the braces.

[@ProDMiner]

as someone who got 25 years of extreme sports BMX, MTB, and Aggressive inline. Man pads are a must, and a full face period. Ive got brain damage, and extreme migraines, broken so many bones. Please wear your helmets it will save your life one of these days.

[@paull4102]

I raced for over 20 yrs starting as a 5yr old. All i wore then was BMX knee pads and a helmet. Broken bones to this day at 33 are broken thumb from punching someone and broken foot from stepping out a van onto the curbside. In my opinion you need to be able to flex and bounce riding motocross, learn to roll and absorb the fall

[@luckyseven6402]

Yes and no. Nobody on this planet is skilled enough to prevent injuries in all mx/sx crashes.

[@johnnybgood774]

Facts

[@GeertTheys]

@@luckyseven6402 think what Ryan means is you will be in less accidents if your movement is not hindered by braces. Because you can move better and be in better body position mitigating crashes....

[@luckyseven6402]

@@GeertTheys I agree with Hughes 100%, I was replying to Paull comment

[@aidenmoore8671]

@@luckyseven6402 he never said it would prevent injury in all crashes though, not quite sure where you got that from.. we all know you can't 100% avoid injuries, that's the joy of doing a sport like this

[@danielarney9729]

Major league, it was just on, I ride the dirt couch to perfection

[@JbFixCorleone]

Really great information on this channel.. any tips for „ Lumbar vertebrae“ .. me getting 20years older after riding below 20 celcius

[@mixalis6168]

Top Knee braces allow you the freedom of movement, yet stiffen up when needed !! As for what you dont use, you lose, well thats what training is for !!!

[@ryanmock2635]

couldn't have said it any better. The only movement thats hindered by my knee braces is unnatural movement

[@bonemasterj]

A helmet is a brain brace. Take 'em off, boys!

[@clutchitsystems100]

Strengthen your legs with the usual Motocross required exercises. Also where they protective gear. It is double insurance against a permanent injury.

[@KingFriday274]

Does Hughes have a video on how to set up a bars?

[@alexgonzalezMI]

Ryno's idea's are similar to those of a bike fit on a pedal bike. And in cycling, a couple mm's can make all he difference. I wore Asterik knee braces in the 2000's. I still tore my ACL, MCL, and Meniscus. My knee and life have never been the same since.

[@mikgtr]

Great to see someone in the game with a different perspective, Ryno has some interesting alternative views. I folded my knee back and broke my Femur and top of Fib, torn ligaments crushed arteries the works! Decided first thing I would do when I could ride again was get knee braces. My ortho was also a professor who had worked with knee braces and was into MX....he 100% convinced me to never wear them. He called them $1000 security blankets, basically people bought into the marketing about "natural movement" and "prevention" when in reality they did neither, unlikely to prevent ligament damage and any major hit can cause a broken Femur...potentially far worse outcome than a knee reconstruction.

[@lauriL90]

After i tore my ACL, LCL and meniscus, i bought kneebrace right away. 6 months post op, still recovering and havent got to ride. Best thing you can do is TRAIN YOUR LEGS, do not skip leg days.

[@lauriL90]

@Jonathan Spier they took craft from my own quads. im 7,5 months post op and fine now

[@vinnyl6256]

i am a huge fan of Ryno.....and not wearing knee braces for me is definately like playing with fire. Keep up the great work Ryan.

[@peterlanders3900]

I have thought this about knee braces for years. I cannot remember anyone from the 80’s having the knee injuries that occur now (maybe bad memory🤷)

[@pooleo8]

Thats because its a totally different bike now. It requires a new riding technique. The problem is guys riding off the back like the 80s/90s. Mixing old riding style with new bikes are creating the problem.

[@lancegarza4068]

Dude Ryno is Classic The Man In Space Man !! Hahahahaha that last Comment was All time Keeper !!!

[@dirtrider2234]

Took my knee braces off after watching Ryno’s vids, couldn’t believe how much they fatigued my legs. I don’t wear them anymore.

[@bradymxr4659]

I have to disagree with him. If you train your muscles and exercise wearing a knee brace for 40 mins or a day of riding is not making your muscles weaker.

[@kerontucker4488]

@@bradymxr4659 lmao. Disagreeing with a guy who does this for a living with nothing intellectual to back up your claim. Interesting.

[@leevancleef553]

@@kerontucker4488 My braces don't effect the normal motion of my knee at all. Just stops them blowing out when you f*ck up... Ryan should ride in dunlop volleys. Weekend warrior speaking though. He's not talking about us.

[@bradymxr4659]

@@kerontucker4488 lol.. and you believing one person cause he’s an ex pro rider from years ago which is his opinion. Funny I don’t see every ex pro saying the same! As yourself how much do you rotate your legs and knees on a bike.. you don’t. Also like I said In another post your muscles are not going to get weak if you train them and if you only rode your not training other muscles just certain ones in that position which would also cause muscles to be stronger than others. Which can cause knee problems. For instance if your inner muscle on your leg is stronger and more developed than the outer that can cause knee pain and or the other way around. That can happen just from riding or from your job. Weight training makes a difference and proper technique. So riding here and there isn’t going to make ones leg weaker wearing a brace for what little time your on the bike and all the pros train. I was an A rider who helped ppl with weight training. And my legs never got weak nor did theirs. Also I stand a lot till I’m come into a corner. Your legs hold you up obviously and your knee braces sure don’t restrict that motion only restriction is hyper extension.

[@nickswagg5624]

The whole reason I wear a neck brace is because I wrecked once and my neck snapped back so far I thought for sure I was done for....now after hearing a few pros talk about the cons and how they’ve actually been injured BECAUSE of a neck brace it makes me second guess my decisions on a dirt bike.

[@theread3480]

It really is a tough question isn’t it

[@traetudor4103]

Wear what your comfortable I race Atvs been crushed by mine at 40mph landing on my head without neck brace no injury.. And then recently wearing a leatt had a small get off and broke collar bone in half right wear neck brace pushes so I'm choosing to never wear one again

[@babygaming800]

When I first started riding I wore the shitty 40 dollar knee caps, found them shit and bought knee braces, took them off because they were too restrictive, wore no knee protection for a while then bought the TP199 knee guards and they were still really restrictive compared to no knee protection but I wore them anyway, then I recently bought some braces again and they're much better than the TP199 knee guards. So much more grip on the bike, and the knee guards had no side protection so my knees would get bruised from gripping the bike after I rode, doesn't happen with the knee braces and they make me more confident on the bike knowing I have all that extra grip. The braces don't allow me to get as close to the bike but they grip so much better and it's so much easier on my legs because I don't need to exert nearly as much force to grip the bike properly. I actually listened to Ryno first about not wearing knee braces a little after I started riding, however recently when I bought braces I couldn't believe how much easier it was to grip the bike. Not to mention all the extra protection that knee braces offer. Anyway, sounds like I'm in the minority here judging from the comments, but I just thought I'd add my experience testing pads vs braces vs nothing. Same movement limitations with pads and braces, except your knees don't get as close to the bike with braces which for me is a positive, more movement without any knee protection but not enough to justify not wearing any imo. What Ryno said about braces causing a crash so you should not wear them and wear pads because you won't have the same crash in pads I pretty much said word for word way before I heard anyone say this (podcast was the first time I'd head someone else say it) but I proved myself wrong when I tried braces again. I think this whole take off all your protective gear to go faster movement that Ryno has started is incredibly stupid for the average rider. Sure, if you're slightly faster wearing less protective and you're a pro then you need to save as much time as possible but the average guy should just not risk an extra injury to chop 0.2 seconds off their lap time. I've rode without a helmet and I'm way faster without it, but I'm not gonna not wear a helmet to go faster.

[@niklassvensson9119]

The idea tho is that for "normal people", not pros, proper techniqe will make you both faster and alot safer. Meaning you can go 2x faster bening 10x safer then if you stand in a wrong way. You will still crasch, but crasch less and in less werd ways. And will be abel so save it more often then not. I dont feel my braces restrict me, but i use them mostly to stop from overexstending my knees.. If not for that i migth use normal ones..

[@babygaming800]

@@niklassvensson9119 Yeah but I'm saying braces don't cause improper technique. So it's a moot point because they won't cause you to crash, I'm just saying if for whatever reason you're only slightly faster not wearing any braces, if you're not racing at a high level you should still wear braces because they'll protect you. IN MY OPINION.

[@robd9819]

I broke my tibia plateau compound fracture, complete tibia breaks in three additional places, fibula two places. I was wearing POD braces and blame damage on them. Don't think I would have broken my leg if it wasn't for the braces.

[@madMX96]

i have done almost the same wearing Asterisk...now i race enduro instead of MX and wear knee pads...

[@robd9819]

@@madMX96 It's a rough injury and long recovery. If I had known the downside risk I never would have worn them. Haven't worn them since.

[@MrCRAIGREVO]

He’s right, if you ride with boxing gloves on you won’t break your fingers but you will not have the same control over the bike and you’ll crash more.

[@jasondunn8894]

Thanks. This was very informative 👍

[@zeph3187]

I work at a hospital and walk about 4-7 miles per day on my shift. I started developing knee pains and purchased a knee brace. I realized I was in more pain due to the fact that I wasn't fully extending my knee fully and the compression didn't feel good. Now I do not wear it and the pain has went from a solid 7 to a 3.

[@zeph3187]

I went through multiple braces and I bought some expensive highly supportive braces but my knee pain persisted. It felt like tendon/ligament pain. What I ended up doing is trying to not wear it at all and I theorized that my accessory muscles surrounding my knee strengthened causing the pain to subside. Also there are some days where I have walked 14 miles on a shift. Its not causal walking either its fast paced walking with little time to sit and relax. My nursing books have also said nurses are at increased risk for musculoskeletal disorders. We are the ones picking the obese people up and it kills our joints.

[@Ragedrum1]

i haven't got a clue about bikes/motocross etc...I'm a new e-skater and i started watching a lot of bikes/motocross etc videos about protective gear.I dont know how big Ryan Hughes is in your community , but i understand and i respect his point of view...The thing is tho even if you are the PERFECT rider - accidents still happen , For those times you gotta wear protective gear that you feel comfortable in

[@TaylorRobert]

I love what you're doing with these podcasts Jase! I would love to hop on with you one of these days too. However it's so hard for me to hop on the Ryno train. No doubt the guy is passionate about riding dirt bikes and has some valid points, but just the way he has personally treated myself and the meltdowns I have seen first hand make it hard to take the guy seriously.

[@spencerwright600]

Release the full podcast on KZbin! I've watched every episode of the Ryno series! He's a genius

[@dannnyw111]

no full podcast on youtube?

[@dhdyrjfmenrydka]

“YOU PICKED THE SPORT” 😳 👌

[@tredeuce]

Does his idea that bracing something makes it weaker apply to more than just the human body? If that was the case I would assume bracing radiators is pointless. I think if you protect the knee, which is a more vulnerable part of the leg, then it allows the stronger points such as the femur absorb the energy. It takes much more to break a femur than it does to twist or break a knee.

[@thekamikaze789]

Well his opinion is: you crash less without braces because your position etc on the bike is better -> you dont crash -> dont need them.

[@mattwindell1638]

The only bike I have bought a radiator brace for I wound up clipping a tree and bent the radiator and brace back until the frame stopped it. I should have taken the money I spent on the brace and used it to buy a new radiator.

[@streetrider11]

Yea but radiators don't have muscles to weaken 🤔

[@ericdebisz9458]

I watch all of Ryno's videos as they come up. He was a beast and a serious threat back in his days. He makes a lot of sense

[@kheat693]

Never won any championships he was no where near the top riders levels

[@2tonecapone585]

Yeah don’t listen to this bs. Unless you’re a pro or near that level you should always have knee braces. And even then, those guys are taking high risk for high reward. If you ride as a hobby, you’re reward doesn’t match the risk of losing your knees forever.

[@alexjarden8248]

As someone with multiple knee injuries, yea I’d never ride without them. Hyper extension is always a worry when throwing up the leg going into a turn.

[@darrencooper4251]

All this is so right & a lot of sense to me thanks for sharing 👍 🙏

[@lovanit]

I would absolutely love to listen to Rhino breakdown the older pros like Ricky Carmichael, James Stewart, and Chad Reed and the newer pros like Dungy, Villipoto, and Tomacs form and style of riding and what made them unique and advantages and disadvantages of how they ride. I could listen to the guy talk all day. 👍🏻

[@ls1jeeper]

I wear the TP199 knee pads he talks about and that's the limit. Anything more and I can't feel the bike at all..

[@ryanh6691]

I agree! I feel to constricted. I want to be able to feel free, more like a knee pad, not a brace!

[@alpinestar339]

I tore both my ACL 25 years ago, right when knee brace became popular. I tried one and it didn't fit right so I quit wearing one. I haven't had any knee problems. For the same reason as not wearing a brace I'm not getting a covid vax either.

[@RyanHughesMX]

Thanks!

[@KosmicHRTRacingTeam]

As a PT, yes, any time someone uses any type of bracing, they are relying on that brace, tape, cast, splint, or whatever, and the muscles in the area shut down or change their firing pattern because the movement that is allowed is not longer natural to the body. There are indications for people with recent injury or surgery to use these devices, but many times it should be short term, and to decrease the amount or atrophy as well as stiffness (adaptive muscle shortening), usually the brace should be removed during certain (safe) activities. The body isn’t meant to be immobilized for long periods or while performing dynamic movements. This applies to bracing at all joints in the body. You have some neck pain that feels better with a soft collar on, you better not be wearing that collar for all hours of the day and for long periods, or you are going to end up worse than where you started. Same thing for a simple ankle brace for a sprained ankle. The list goes on and on!

[@jaimemetcher388]

There's a difference between braces that provide continual support, and braces that just sit there doing nothing until there's an out of range movement, right? Sure, if I put my whole leg in a rigid cast, my leg muscles will get weaker. But if I have a neck brace just sitting on my shoulders not even touching my helmet or my neck, how is that going to make my neck weaker?

[@TheShift1313]

Also as someone who never wore a neck brace but tried a few in recent years as I'm getting older I totally agree. Going down a steep hill off road I get my weight back and I can't look up at all. As soon as I get my hips back and lower my chest. That's with an atlas brace.

[@babygaming800]

If this is true I'm gonna guess you have a short neck maybe combined with a helmet that sits low at the back. Never heard of an Atlas restricting movement before.

[@bigdipper9192]

@@babygaming800 I wear an atlas neck brace and I forget I'm even wearing it. I have just as much movement with it on as I do without it

[@TheShift1313]

@@babygaming800 So I was wearing a shoei VFX and tried the EVS race collar first cause i wanted a soft one. Didn't work. So i bought an EVS T7 helmet thinking it might work better since it was time. Worse. So i went with the Atlas which is better but still not great. Its fine for Supermoto over leathers since head position doesn't change much but in dirt I wear a LEATT padded compression shirt under my jersey but the LEATT doesn't sit directly on anything major. I am 6'4 and don't believe i have a short neck. I have 4 different brand helmets sitting around and tried them all with and without the LEATT padding and all restricted my motion. Maybe its just my body shape but it definitely restricts me left/right as well as looking up.

[@babygaming800]

@@TheShift1313 Yeah it definitely shouldn't restrict you looking left and right, the Shoei seems to sit lower at the back than most but not exceptionally low, if you're not wearing the wrong size then and you don't have a short neck then I don't know why it would do that. Especially weird that it effects you looking from side to side.

[@TheShift1313]

@@babygaming800 not looking side to side but tilting the head. So say you are leaned way over in a berm and your head is tilted that's when it hits. Trust me I got the right size collar and tried different helmets. I got the atlas because I thought it gave a good range of motion. Also for being a tall guy I wore a medium Shoei and a large EVS. So not like I have an xxl lid or anything. Definitely odd.

[@user-wk9bu6xm7y]

Sticking with my knee braces

[@tylerzesiger7648]

I’d love to here what position he sees riders in while wearing a neck brace that would change if they didn’t have it on. Is he saying they stand too tall and ridged because of the brace?

[@minibikemafia]

Search his videos on his youtube. He has a demo of exactly what you asked about

[@tylerzesiger7648]

@@minibikemafia thanks just found it. Gotta say I wear a brace and don’t have that issue with it limiting my vision looking up while over the bars.

[@HarborEdwin]

Was curious why Hughes is no longer with Coldenhoff - did a google search and, duh - Covid caused Hughes to have to return to U.S. Additionally, watched an interview with Coldenhoff, he had nothing but high praise for Hughes and can't wait until they can work together, again.

[@kevinmcmullen..]

I agree. I notice when I wear braces and a neck brace, and chest protector, I tend to crash more than when I don't wear them. I feel so stiff and rigged when wearing them. I feel free and confident without them.

[@brandoncurry9387]

Yes bro!

[@noslomoTV]

Also, a lot of weekend riders go straight to riding Motocross and skip riding bicycles i.e landing jumps on bikes with no suspension . Learning to pump a BMX track etc. Etc. Knowing this stuff will improve your riding a fair bit . I can land some mini jumps, do a slight bunny hop . Skate a little in a bowl . And ever since I've started doing this stuff . I have developed more flow in my riding . Imagine yourself being so confident in your technique and so ready for anything that even if you do ffk up, you're calm and in control and are dissipating the energy as best you can . . All of that being said, "You picked the sport" .

[@agalvanf]

ooohhh man, a very good talking with Ryan...

[@Ozfreerider_adventures]

How can bracing make your ligaments weaker ? They aren’t a muscle

[@douglasmueller4684]

It's been explained to me by trainers that , train all you can without wraps or braces will either make the joints stringer or stay the same. When you are racing total commitment the brace will save an acl. Then go back to training without . the knee will be strong and uninjured.

[@dustinchandler8111]

neck brace saved my life at 13 years old and knee braces have saved my knees and ligaments from being completely mangled growing up racing motocross

[@brandoncurry9387]

Went desert riding yesterday. And I felt comfortable on the bike. I stopped using my neck brace and my knee braces and just went back to knee pads. All that was making me uncomfortable cause I didn’t grow up with it.

[@RobC2201_]

"Major League" "Pedro Cerano" was the character with the chicken in that movie.

[@sean2943]

“I have been paralyzed twice, broken both legs, compounded my femur.” ...Two minutes later... “I have all the fucking control in the world before the crash happens”

[@sean2943]

@Jonathan Spier I think he’s genuinely delusional, I almost feel bad for him. Gypsy is sitting there like “Oh my fuck, the content!”

[@madMX96]

go back and listen whole Whiskey throttle show with Ryno not just this 10minutes...

[@Yz250fx]

I agree with everything Ryno says in this vid but the thing I love is he is a free thinker and no bullshit thankyou

[@bobbygilbert6955]

Major league was movie and the dude with chicken was pedro cerano 🤣🤣🤣

[@Pinewatch]

With his mindset we should be riding barefoot lmao

[@drklynoonrides6674]

The most annoying piece of kit for me is boots. They limit my range and screw up my feel but you’d never catch me in the dirt without them.

[@NateDogMXtv]

So he claims over a ten year pro carrier a rider can avoid crashing with his training. I had a lot of respect for him up until now.

[@necrosbillsibub4650]

3:18

[@paulwatson5965]

Hmmm...let’s go back to the basics. It’s not a matter of if, it’s a matter of when u crash...!

[@bella0167]

I've never wore knee braces I'm 53 an still racing.Knees still going strong.💪

[@kingdaddyrabbit4311]

Lol I have that same graphic kit!!!! Super clean bike, man.

[@joshstockdale1616]

I'm not on the fence I'm on both sides of the fence here. What e Ryan says makes sense and would agree that's why i never wore a chest protector they restricted my head movement until they came out with the newer styles. But at the same time why wear a helmet why wear boots why wear knee pads at all these are all to protect in the chance you crash one could make his same argument against all these items that they restrict your motion. I have old evs neoprene one pads with shin pads too tore my acl recently and bought a pod knee brace at first it felt restrictive and now it actually feels less restrictive than the knee pad on my other knee. I think it comes down to what makes you feel comfortable and able to ride with no limitations.

[@JuulTeamCigs]

Major league is the movie, great vid love when Ryan’s on he’s awesome

[@MillerRice24]

I like the philosophy that Ryan Hughes has and I can’t argue with him because he’s so assertive but what’s the difference between saying the rider pushed harder because he felt safer or why wear a helmet because he feels more aware and senses the feel of speed without a helmet, yes neck braces are “new” to the game in comparison to knee braces but your comparing riders who have come out of accidents in wheel chairs to people who didn’t come out in wheels chairs wearing completely different gear, compare wheel chair to wheel chair for the same situation, having the same type of accident without the same safety equipment, same speed, same track, same jump, same bikes, same weight, same build, same physical fitness, same ages and so on, there are soooo many variables that make a big difference but I can’t argue with Ryan because more mobility, more ability and more agility helps 100%, you need to make sure your as physically fit as possible, as comfortable and as free as possible but safety equipment reduces over flexing, over rotation, over movement and so on, but you can’t argue with trying to reduce too much kinetic energy and that’s what science is. Believe what you want, facts or philosophy but science tests more than imagination.

[@fburwell3629]

When training in the gym what you brace gets weaker but on race day you wear braces so your ACLs stay intact. Dont wait til after theyre gone. This mans a fool