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[@TheCrimsonApostle30k]

"I dont submit to chaos i use it" said literally everyone who chaos uses

[@licensed_beheader]

Look how that turns out for Horus.

[@Knockknoc]

Lord of iron is defferent

[@eternalvibe9083]

Fr the only guys who seem to have used it without getting used are some Xanthites like Eisenhorn, and even then they are few and far between.

[@jasutinborchert4418]

@@eternalvibe9083I mean Eisenhorn started using chaos out of necessity (the whole Titan thing), then kept using chaos out of spite, and (so far) ended using chaos (I’d assume) as a mix of spite and necessity

[@axcel9128]

@@Knockknocthat is even canon in Angel Exterminatus

[@Its_Cannon]

I just want Perturabo to punch Flugrim in the face again.

[@WARSMITHAFROW]

Smash his face through and actual warhound titan this time

[@Alexander59059]

He’d probably enjoy it

[@alexanderawe8031]

​@@Alexander59059Only if his face stayed intact, which is *unlikely* to say the least

[@leman7648]

Who is not?😂

[@apock2474]

"Gods are cringe." -Perturabo

[@chris7372]

"Based." - Big E

[@Randomalpharius-]

“Gods are based.” -Lorgar

[@Twelvegage30]

I remember watching Bricky's video about the Legions in a nutshell, and I remember him saying, "Perturabo and the Iron Legion don't serve the Chaos Gods because they like them, They serve them because Fuck You."

[@douglasbabb1725]

From what I've read, "because Fuck You" justifies most of what the post heresy Iron Warriors do.

[@ianbyrne465]

He did, and that's what makes the Iron Warriors fun. They're just spiteful bastards. They're nihilistic, prideful and they're just cool as a result

[@dominusbalial835]

I don't really think the Iron Warriors as a whole really serve chaos, I think they more just attempt to wield it's influence as a tool to fight the long war against the imperium.

[@Twelvegage30]

@dominusbalial835 Unfortunately, they probably don't really have a choice after they embraced chaos. Chaos twists the mind, so they are more like the "Indoctrinated" from Mass Effect.

[@enclave_here]

Even if he is a Daemon Prince, I doubt he would have undergone many changes other than size, unlike Angron or Mortarion

[@ZeroNumerous]

As a daemon prince it doesn't matter what Perturabo wants. Daemon princes are simply pieces of the chaos gods, and can be shaped and changed at the whim of the gods.

[@DrakusLuthos]

@@ZeroNumerousAs a daemon prince of Chaos Undivided? Not so much.

[@callumfinlayson-palmer8393]

I hope its kinda like corvious and he using his own warp power.

[@strangelove7]

​@@callumfinlayson-palmer8393he fused with his armor and his face is a pale like corpse That has been pulled from the deepest lake and hes more like a giant obliterator and ferrus Hammer has been infected with chaos too

[@CafeLiquerstreams]

Tbh I think he did it so he could fuse himself with daemon engines, he treats daemons like fuel, so becoming one is like Tony stark putting an arc reactor in his chest

[@Btk4813]

I want him to be "more machine than man now."

[@worromot]

Turned into a daemon? Replace all your daemon bits with cybernetics so there's nothing left of you that relies on chaos.

[@garlicbreadstick404]

Imagine this: he becomes most of an ai from a valuable DAOT STC. The ai in question becomes corrupted by chaos, but not peter himself

[@stateofflorida5082]

@@garlicbreadstick404 See, that's actually fun. Instead of gargling chaos' balls he's trying to find shit from the Long Night and Dark Age to fix or replace his wounded body and soul.

[@mar00nm4v2]

Tzeentch & Khorne: ......you get to further spite the imperial fists Pete: SIGN ME TF UP!!!

[@LRodz279]

I personally believe Perty is a daemon prince of Vashtorr

[@mattiaslime8926]

Vashtorr is not a chaos god. In fact i think that demon prince perturabo could try to depose him as the king of the forge of souls

[@Coproquim]

Nah, Pert would never lower himself to play second fiddle to a second fiddle

[@ZeroNumerous]

@@Coproquim He's currently a fourth stringer behind Angron, Mortarian, and Abaddon, so that'd be an upgrade not a downgrade.

[@loganb7059]

@@mattiaslime8926 now THAT’s some plot development I’d love to see. Vashtorr and Perty interacting with each other, but both are extremely wary of the other.

[@Arcangel61286]

This is my theory too. I think for 2 reasons one because Perty thinks because Vashtorr isn’t a god yet he isn’t going to lose control but then if Vashtorr does become a god that will be a plot point. 2 that’s part of the reason why Perty looks like a corpse and some think he’s still dying from what fulgrim did to him. Vashtorr doesn’t have enough juice to restore him and maybe we get the plot point that he’s entered in to a devils bargain with Vashtorr to help Vash to become a god with the promise he will fully restore him.

[@abdullahakbas970]

man i just want a Dreadnought Primarch

[@Turnil321]

We still have the iron hands

[@athatcher9367]

@@Turnil321… 12,000 years later they finally bust out The Manus, literally just his severed head inside a giant robot.

[@DevixianTheOriginal]

I mean, it's looking like that's what Perty IS, so you might get your wish.

[@Hyde-dg7ef]

​@@athatcher9367peak brainrot: ferrus's head in a toilet

[@abdullahakbas970]

@@Hyde-dg7ef NO

[@farseeraradrel4808]

For those wondering why they made Perturabo a DP in the first place, it becauses it predates the Perturabo we know. In the original "Realm of Chaos" source books, the 9 Traitor Legions were not all yet defined and the Iron Warriors were simply a CSM Warband lead by a Daemon Prince called Perturabo. When 2nd Edition gave a Codex to Chaos, the Iron Warriors became a Traitor Legion and Perturabo became a Daemon Primarch. This bit of lore has persisted over the years and Perturabo's developement through the Horus Heresy novels.

[@battlez9577]

Pertuabo just lead a warband at first? Still not as big an upgrade as Horus got I guess

[@farseeraradrel4808]

@@battlez9577 There were no Primarchs in the original Realm of Chaos sourcebooks. The Black Legion and Monogods Legions (so TS, WE, DG and EC) existed as example of each God's corruption. We're talking very Oldhammer here.

[@battlez9577]

@farseeraradrel4808 thats what I mean, like how Horus went from just being a rebel, to the warmaster, to a primarch, to the emperors favourite son

[@pyotrbagration2438]

​@@battlez9577 Space Marines were originally Judge Dredd in space.

[@obi-wankommo-obi6880]

Better yet: He's using a daemon engine as a giant suit of dreadnaught armor (after being stabbed by Fulgrim), and he beat the daemon inside of it into submission with his sheer willpower. Also him working with Vashtorr would be pretty awesome.

[@redacted5736]

That's what my personal head cannon is as well. After the iron cage Perty uses the stolen gene seed to summon a powerful demon/ demons and seals them inside a special suit of armor that keeps him alive and gives him the power of a demon prince.

[@kayraurkmez2032]

Yes. Because it would be a great irony considering he actually despises chaos

[@delperalfanjul]

Irony within! Irony without!

[@Alexander59059]

I think that’s lame

[@stateofflorida5082]

They already did that with Morty. If they do it with Perty, they're literally copying their own version of an existing cliche. *Layers* of unoriginality

[@kayraurkmez2032]

@@stateofflorida5082 maybe they could make him a big ass deamon engine? A spider like thing would be cool

[@stateofflorida5082]

@@kayraurkmez2032 That would still make him a puppet of chaos. With the protection clause on becoming an engine, he'd be Vashtorrs to command.

[@DevixianTheOriginal]

I'm one of the guys that think he isn't a Daemon Prince. Granted, if shown hard evidence, I would be convinced otherwise, but I believe it might be a facade of some sort. Cause the few times we do see him, he is described like he's essentially dying, and is more machine than man.

[@ZeroNumerous]

Well, they just introduced a chaos god of machines, so Perturabo being a daemon prince of machines fits if he obeys Vashtorr.

[@AnthonySmith-gr8pf]

Fr. In a way hes more like Abaddon.

[@cody1570]

He is doing what corvus is doing. He wadnt blessed by a god but used the warp itself to sustain himself

[@aquavitae3824]

That would be sick.

[@battlez9577]

>be radical inquisition >hating chaos and destroying chaos is your modus operandi >use demon hosts and possessed weapons anyway

[@MundaneEsotericStick]

most of the time it happens like einsenhorn where the inquisitor is forced to use chaos to save the imperium from the disaster which damns them so they decide to just go all in

[@SeanCrosser]

I like the idea of him getting hit with the Obliterator Virus and coming out on top of it. He's already a walking tank as is.

[@kenn9283]

I like to think he’s not a typical prince but a chaos engine

[@t_hetty1758]

Tbh I would like to see pert and vash team together. Maybe have this triad of them 2 plus dark mechanicum

[@stateofflorida5082]

Dark Mechanicum? Getting lore? I will hear no such heresy.

[@t_hetty1758]

@@stateofflorida5082 I’m not even a mechanicus fan but I think we need that heresy to happen. At least give them like a kill team that when used in 40k can just be like undivided or soemthing.

[@OZITOMAE]

I like the idea that he's pretending to be a demon.

[@memesofwarhemmer7076]

People: he hates chaos = doesn’t use chaos Me: we all hate going to school to get a job but we all do it same situation but in this case he even can finally accomplish his dream of becoming a god if it means having to become a demon to be one he would

[@_easyconcept]

He's like Ahriman probably, he HATES Chaos, but he's a psyker, no matter what he does it's apart of his life, he may aswell make use of it.

[@juliancalero8012]

Him being an undivided daemon prince with the help of Vashtorr through contract to fix the soul hole would be interesting

[@icannotyoutubetoday2408]

I saw a theory that hes not a daemon prince but is just a dreadnaught sized monstrosity due to being untured into a life sustaining suit and putting on the display of being a daemon prince

[@andarchy1386]

Perty was going to die because of what Fulgrim did during angel exterminatus even with technology eventually he would've this was his way of becoming immortal

[@mattiaslime8926]

I still understand why people say that its dumb because of his personality. 1 he was not a sane individual in fact by the beginning of the siege of terra his mental sanity was deteriorating and same for many of his legion 2 by this logic mortarion should have not become a demon prince of nurgle. 3 like the video says he never really rejected the powers of chaos. He just believed that only HE could wield those powers without getting consumed by them. Dude was mentally unstable,narcisistic and incredibly naive.

[@ghosthippie8465]

Tbf, mortarion was FORCED to become a demon prince. He became one out of desperation because otherwise, he would have died.

[@bencastor9207]

Yeah he straight up bodies his adoptive sister despite being the only one he actually had any kind of feelings for.

[@johndortheknight4802]

Morty shouldn't have been made a deamon either it just made his entire arc being a hypocrite

[@immortalwarrior2695]

​@@johndortheknight4802morty was forced to become one due to Typhus. He even hate Typhus for this but then he just became insane

[@GrandMasterPainter]

I think they should bring him foward to become the new warmaster and put abandon in his place. He’d be a seriously bad ass Warmaster.

[@boy5390]

The Iron Warriors are already known for putting demons inside their machines, How about do that with Perturabo but with a twist, A Primarch inside a Demon Engine, like a Dreadnought

[@pit_shost]

I think he should build himself badass demon engines to inhabit

[@Guardsman-sy8qm]

Perturabo being a demon prince just makes him 4 different chaos god's bitch.

[@ZeroNumerous]

Perturabo being a pathetic hypocrite who looks down on daemon princes while being a puppet of the 4 gods is fully within his character. I can't understand how people could possibly be confused on this front.

[@jasonravenscroft5321]

because that would require people to admit their favorite character is a hypocrite man child

[@aquavitae3824]

When push came to shove, he chose pragmatism over his principled condemnation. It's a good story arc, which sets him up for another arc. Flawed, but realistic character.

[@jetpilledmyron2056]

It would be fun if the Chaos Gods tried to ascend him over and over again since the Iron Cage but every time he replaced mutated bits of himself until becoming essentially a Chaos Knight size Primarch Drednaught

[@chillskeleton6529]

"Is he?" Well he was dying slowly so apotheosis could've been the only way to save himself.

[@PelinalDidNothingWrong]

Perturabo becoming a Daemon Prince makes sense to me. It shows how,to the Chaos Gods,everybody is just a piece in an elaborate game of chess. Willing or not and a Primarch is no exception to this. It just further emphasises how damning siding with Chaos is,knowing or not,willing or not.

[@licensed_beheader]

Hypocrisy reminds me of mortarion and horus yapping about being the master of the gods. Perty is just as much of a puppet and prisoner as fulgrim is its just that the gods haven't come to a situation where they need to yank the chains.

[@lathamtk]

Perturabo is a cool dude. Out of all the Primarchs that fell to Chaos, he's the one I regret the most. He's like the one and only not mentally deficient out of all the fallen ones.

[@Captain_Yata]

I think he should be a Daemon Primarch solely because he looks ridiculously fucking cool

[@TheChuckfuc]

It would've been cool to have at least one traitor primarch. Who wasn't corrupted by chaos.

[@zaxxo2808]

I like to think that turning him into a daemon prince is the chaos gods way to say " I like this guy " or " F*ck U " to him

[@naamtar22]

“The difference between gods and daemons largely depends upon where one is standing at the time.”

[@Frosty-kz4om]

I'd like the tragedy of him becoming some sort of daemon prince dreadnought or similar. He hates chaos, but is bound to it to keep him alive, whether he likes it or not. Like a Darth Vader-esque life support system.

[@MildTabascofries]

He’s always put into situations where he doesn’t want to be in. Being a daemon also falls under that.

[@szymonbien9595]

"He isn't controlled" XD My Brother in Emperor being a slave to chaos is no better than being a slave to a chaos god

[@speetza6265]

I always thought that Perty’s ascension could also be a bit of a punishment, with the chaos gods kind of rubbing just how badly he fucked up into his face. Ironically I never really thought about Perturabo of all people simply looking at ascension as a stat boost.

[@cej3940]

Honestly, he and his chapter would have been one of the best candidates to represent Malice and Malal The whole thing of basically being in shitcreek and denying everyone else their fun makes sense to me

[@magentaman7639]

I swear Perturabo should become the new big bad of Chaos.

[@nikot.9920]

Daemon Prince Peter Turbo definitely needs a model in 40k

[@Jvegas2281]

Him being a Daemon Prince could be a way of showing the treacherous nature of Chaos; that even a Primarch of such fierce intelligence and iron-clad willpower, could be manipulated by the ruinous power. And if he HAS to be a Daemon Prince, he should really be working with Vashtorr.

[@Robustacap]

You can look down on Chaos and think it tool, you chaos tool!

[@TheVegeta67]

Perturabo being a demon prince is a left over from when he was first introduced in Realm of Chaos codices/rulebooks where he and his demon world were one of two examples of demon worlds ruled by demon princes.

[@afriendlycadian9857]

One day i hope he gets redemption like the emperor comes to him and says the bridge he thinks burnt is still there and he can find redemption in righting his wrongs

[@TheKlink]

Well given that Perty's having his soul leached from him like a dark eldar, and Soils, especially Primarch souls are creatures of the warp, it makes sense for him to replenish that if he's got the power to do so. Makes you wonder when Asdrubael Vect will ascend to Godhood.

[@btchaplin7859]

I choose to believe that he isn’t actually a demon prince, but is pretending to be one for the sake of keeping up appearances. Instead, I think he’s just one gigantic obliterater

[@thetsarofall8666]

Personally, i would ADORE if perterabo was patient 0 for the obliterator virus. A massive primarch sized obliterator would be too damn cool

[@bagon_head]

The unbendable lord of iron one of the first to fall he is a child who fails to even escape slavery to the dark gods

[@johndortheknight4802]

Dude if I had a penny every time I heard a heretic say "I DoNt LeT cHaOs CoNTrOl mE I cOnTroL It" I'd be a rich man surrounded by fools

[@catnipflowers5803]

I always thought that chaos undivided not free of all 4 gods, they all just have equal custody. And becoming a daemon is ultimately being a victim of the warp. You're no chaos spawn, sure, but you're slaved to the warp in a different way.

[@Alucard_Official]

He sought Hores fail and left the Heresy. But as long as he weilds chaos as a weapon and isn't consumed by it, then I think he should be

[@deathdynasty1628]

He should become a dreadnought, I feel it would fit him

[@G-Squared_99]

One thing to note that as of the Dawn of Fire book 2, Perturabo did indeed take in the powers of the warp. It's brief but there isn't any inclination that he did so in a way that made him a daemon prince, so perhaps he did ascend like Horus

[@chrisharley5781]

What if the iron cage was a ritual implanted into his mind by the chaos gods to force his transformation.

[@candiedcrusader7841]

He seems like a best case follower of Malicr

[@RohenBlackwolf]

I would like a short story of demonprince pertorabo and magnus meeting up.

[@MrStephansucks]

I always liked the idea that he had just essentially modified himself into a primarch dreadnought

[@dmajor9982]

Simply retcon to him making lots of deals for power and life etc but never fully committed. Things were a lot better before they said no more undivided daemon princes

[@sigurdrr1015]

To the lowly cultist to the demon prince, everyone say they are in control. None are.

[@Bcuzieatiron]

He “thinks” he’s in control. Much like Magnus.

[@Drew_Thompson]

he should've just used the sacrifice to fix his soul hole thing. that way we can have a ambivalent active primarch always on the board.

[@ObsidianAngiris]

Perhaps he’s just an Independent Daemon, there are some in the Warp. Not all are bound to the Chaos Gods

[@nickorr7345]

I’ve always wanted him to become a demon engine imagine a towering fortress full of weapons and deamons with a wired in perturabo in the centre

[@AlshainFR]

Perturabo should be Malal's unwilling and unwanted champion

[@LordOmnissiah]

Hopefully they have a retcon where it turns out Perturabo used the battle of the cage and deaths of the Imperial Fists as a lure to snag a bunch of daemons and then stole power from the Daemons to ascend.

[@cephalonbob15]

Give him a suit of demonic armor bounded with greater demons of chaos from each god. Within he would still be human.

[@user-ud8ux9cr8m]

It was an IRONic situation 😂

[@Forestxavier20]

I think Perturabo being trapped in a suit, as if he and Vashtorr have been operating together for millennia together and Perturabo's agreement with Vashtorr wasn't "You will give me something over time" but instead "We shall work together so I may ascend to Godhood" would be cool. Vashtorr was playing into the Great Game whilst Perturabo doesn't care about that and is willing to help so long as it affects the Long War.

[@blueThumbnail]

I want a helbrute primarch where he is trapped by his tools

[@TomesTheAmazing]

I would love new Perturabo lore, with Vashtor in the setting now it be a layup to have Perty be some techno-biological hybrid demon prince. It's already Cannon that the iron warriors cut off limbs that get infected with chaos and replace them with technology. It'd be awesome to have him reaching the end of his rope seeking Vashtor to stop or slow the corruption of his body while living in the warp.

[@Arachnarch]

If they can retcon Dorn being killed, they can handle Percy better.

[@samuelspry6955]

Stupid or not, it fits. He's earned it.

[@Or_Am_I_Alpharius]

I think he didn’t want to be one, but that The Four made him a daemon primarch out of spite and to basically outright enslave him

[@juancarlosarroyo9144]

I think a mix of Perturabo with a sort of harnessed, personal demon engine would be neat. Perty would never surrender himself to a god, but why not harness the powers of someone who has? I'm thinking a suit powered by one might be neat.

[@timhorner6521]

Undivided daemon princes are still pawns, they are just not controlled by a single god

[@immortalwarrior2695]

I mean Belakor is the great example of this. He is first daemon prince of chaos undivided and he never serve any of the chaos gods. Instead try to become one

[@michaelgann6290]

I think it’s part of the ironic humor of 40k, and well 90% certain it was Tzeentch idea.

[@camrongoodall]

Perturabo should be the first demon king a non conforming to any chaos god branch but a being using all 4 gods for his benefit

[@mindob766]

Actually, it's quite fitting. Perturabo was all about making rash decisions to stroke his ego that suprise, suprise turns out bad in the end. For me, at least his entire thing is regret.

[@ADhammer]

I want them to retcon daemonhood of Perty

[@ethanchoate9566]

I like to see it as just another major tragedy

[@Demoknight256]

GW just wants to make another $300 mini

[@edyorozco7000]

What if he somehow managed to steal power from the chaos gods or just somehow managed to absorb a shit ton of warp energy like that one female character that was straight up eating keepers of secrets

[@isaacschmitt4803]

Nah, he isn't. He's very clearly wearing custom dreadnought armor.

[@Zeromegas]

He is a dreadnought primarch

[@Mgauge]

I could easily see Peter Turbo going down the same thought process as Fabius Bile: "Chaos is a great power that can be invaluable, but must be controlled at all costs lest the parasites within prey on you". Combined with his innate arrogance as a Primarch and personality in general, him looking for a way to take the power for himself without submitting to the Chaos Gods makes perfect sense. I could see him conning his way into becoming a Daemon Prince or building himself into a Chaos super-dreadnought that absorbed so much power it's functionally indistinguishable from one. Either way, he's now an unholy creature of the Warp who still has most of his old will that at least believes he's still in control.

[@Fuerto203]

It's perfectly on par for his character to want to use every possible source of power in waging war against the Imperium. Then on top of that, much like the first undivided prince, Be'Lakor, he falsely believes that by being an undivided prince he is in control of himself and his own actions, he is really a puppet for ALL the chaos gods instead of just one. The tragedy of the undivided primarchs (Horus, Lorgar, and Perty) is that they were all manipulated by powers far greater than them and inable to see it

[@ironchestnutter]

He shouldn't be a daemon prince. But he should be a brain in a big robot body.

[@undercovertakodachi4301]

he fits more of an Renegade than an Chaos prince. because I believe he hates both loyalist and traitor, But it seems that In Lore he Is in fact a Daemon.

[@donshipman8441]

Say what you will but Pertty’s daemon form is the coolest by far! He looks like an evil tank!!

[@thefiend9382]

i wish he stayed a human. it is so fucking badass seeing all these towerting demon gods with there corrupted legions and then there is just some fucking dude who is so technologcally advanced he doesn't need that shit. along with gis legion who are just thet good they sont need godly gifts

[@xman4399]

Here’s my question can you turn down apotheosis? Like I feel like the chaos gods aren’t going to be like, “what you don’t want to be a demon prince? Ok. Pack it up guys they don’t want it. Save it for the next one.”

[@ryanperez5457]

How the fuck do you become a "Daemon Prince" and not get consumed by it? The cost is literally your soul and eternity! If he is a Daemon Prince of chaos undivided then that means chaos has consumed him!

[@AnthonySmith-gr8pf]

So basically hes more like Abaddon The Despoiler. But canon says hes a demon so....

[@ohamatchhams]

You should make a video regarding of how powerful and encompassing the grip of chaos gods over sentient mortals and their lives regardless of how corrupted or uncorrupted they are and if they're not omniscient nor omnipresence, how to elude, evade, resist if not diminish the influences of chaos Or how the non-Chaos aligned warp gods can have independent influences from chaos gods, even including Hivemind as an Eldar that somehow broke into Imperial Palace mentioned how current Enthroned Emperor's psychic radiance in The Warp are greater than entirety of Slaanesh or how The Hivemind presence and the psychic quantity are bigger than all of the 4 chaos gods combined, there are bizarre scaling between these entities Oh also if C'tan powers can influences The Warp and Chaos or not in both full race, full form (singular) or in shards