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[@brandonkey181]

Making a gay joke 7 years ago doesn't justify 'cancelling'.

[@krystalharris1259]

I agree. Everyone gets made fun of... They should be of no exceptions

[@dblock20]

Brandon Key if you are talking about Kevin Hart he never got cancelled, he just refused to apologize, and then withdrawn from the offer.

[@brandonkey181]

@@dblock20 I'm not talking about Kevin Hart.

[@brandonkey181]

@3:36 agreed

[@aaronlee6361]

@@krystalharris1259 or maybe we just don't make fun of people? There's a big difference between that and comedy. We can't poke fun at groups because people don't see us making fun of each group equally

[@kay049]

the problem is "cancelling" someone now has become an excuse for bullying someone online you don't like

[@masahirosakurai4692]

It's kind of like "I don't like something that you said, so now I will proceed to ruin your life so that no one else can see the content which you produce".

[@notydot]

True

[@yell50]

You hit the nail on the head, cancel culture is bullying its no different from the bullies in the playground who order yes order other kids not to talk to you. People who deem themselves to be righteous are seldom righteous themselves.

[@Rosecoloredfer]

True, celebrities are getting even more afraid to express themselves, cancel culture is censorship

[@vicekings]

And they try and come up with all they things they’ve done wrong in the past or just straight up JOKES

[@georgiegirl2025]

Cancel culture has 100% spiralled out of control. I'm so sick of hearing about artists getting cancelled for something they said 10 years ago. It's an abuse of power for people who have the platform....

[@ovenmittboy3671]

I feel the same way every day its someone new

[@nacho6311]

Ikr and a lot of stuff was more acceptable 10 years ago vs now. Like we cant read the future.

[@williamevans1708]

It’s just jealousy

[@theytrynabecray]

I’ll be honest, I said many of slurs years ago that I didn’t know the true meaning of.

[@killertruth186]

@@theytrynabecray Practically even those who don't mean it.

[@lujain3436]

Y'all realize finding a tweet from 2010 and demanding an apology for what they said is literally not helping anyone teach them what they did was wrong

[@joliejarina1696]

Cancel culture doesn't let people improve,no matter how much they correct their mistakes or learn,no matter how much they apologize, it's just all there, they're totally done

[@supergingerr]

Not to mention that if you have to go that far back, chances are they have already learned and grew.

[@girlsquad224]

Precisely

[@benpamer6574]

They are literally trying to cancel people that have been dead for 250 years.

[@angie-jv4xw]

Strict parents VS permissive parents 🙏🏼

[@nadiah169]

This one is good!!!!

[@TheSagefx]

Yes please! Maybe even bring in the children in the next segment to discuss their upbringing

[@msl2437]

YES

[@kmseileen]

Yes yes yes and then do a version with their kids!!

[@shooshooocean]

Yes!!!

[@tillmorning871]

“I have legitimately hit #1 on billboard” Seth: 🤨

[@marcelina1122]

Brandon&Sean I came to the comments section to find a comment about it and it was the top one 😂

[@westworlds]

When you go #1 for clout and not talent and no one knows who you are except MAGA people and Black people who are embarrassed by your over the top tap dancing for Massa.

[@Beisser76]

@@westworlds who is she anyway?

[@hxfizax]

Dead Ass bursted out laughing

[@TNDCBaby]

@@Beisser76 That chick who keeps wearing designer stuff with pro Trump/republican slogans on them to awards shows. Joy Villa (had to google it).

[@glee5101]

"What the hell do we think cancel culture is actually promoting? Real Growth? Or just getting really high on someone's low?" -Anna Akana

[@husse7300]

Cancel culture in a nutshell: Cancel culture: Apologise Guy: *Apologises* Cancel culture: Nah thats not good enough *proceeds to harrass guy*

[@paolotorres8537]

Like the Logan Paul incident in Japan?

[@joeairbender267]

It seriously depend of the crimes they did.

[@vivianvail8207]

Joe Airbender I agree. Rape vs a 10 year old ignorant joke are completely different

[@samanthaleezz8490]

Yaassss exactly 👏👏

[@thatsonewaytolookatit3692]

Agreed !!

[@noticias6111]

It kind of makes you think about ~7:08-7:10.

[@sammatias-escalante1342]

Agree but also their attitude should be judge as well

[@renyb540]

Joy: I’ve literally hit #1 on the charts Seth: 🤨 I’m sorry who are you

[@jennylopez2780]

Renyy :3 lmaooo I caught that too!!

[@o_o8822]

i saw his face too lmaoooo

[@renyb540]

Zumious bruhh the joke has been used hundred times in these comments.. people notice the same things

[@freddie2297]

@@zello6692 awwwww boo hoo

[@et-pt7jl]

omg she's the girl who attends the grammys that nobody knows lmaooo

[@EOh-ew2qf]

The problem is we don't just cancel celebrities because of their crimes or even mistakes. We cancel them because they have a different opinion.

[@toxinicee3444]

Note to self: cancel culture shouldn’t even be a thing.

[@sophiaw3869]

yes

[@sajenthirumavalavan8784]

no, just controlled

[@youradurf1297]

Joy: I’ve literally hit #1 on Billboard Seth: 👁👀👁

[@anonymous-ri7tl]

Lol who is she though like is she a singer songwriter

[@dontbeaherobuddy6972]

She actually has, use google

[@youradurf1297]

John Johnson did I say she didn’t? Use your eyes

[@dontbeaherobuddy6972]

@@youradurf1297 If you had known I highly doubt you would've made the comment initially. Or you just don't care and are baiting likes which seems to be the case since a dozen people before you commented the exact same thing. At least be original in your like baiting

[@youradurf1297]

John Johnson is this what Joy Villa stans are like idk I’ve never met one

[@uav123guy]

There is a difference between making a gay joke and R-Kelly's situation.

[@noahmackenzie1956]

I agree, a lot of what the people on the pro side were saying didn't taken in to account much lesser versions of bad things committed by people of which they are cancelled for. Certain types of comedy, which although may be insensitive, are still comedy and people aren't able to distinguish between behaviour and intent. That is not to say I enjoy gay jokes either, I am gay myself and most of the time, if my friends say them I find it hurtful, however unless they lack understanding of gay people (which none of them do) I don't believe it reflects on them as a person and I still see them as worthwhile.

[@ExtreemDreemer]

@@noahmackenzie1956 ok what about Shane Dawson.

[@noahmackenzie1956]

@@ExtreemDreemer I don't know what specific jokes you are talking about Shane Dawson? Which ones?

[@TheMysticGod1587]

Yeah in my opinion the only people we should cancel are fucked up individuals like child molesters for example

[@KG-jw4jg]

@@TheMysticGod1587 cancel culture shouldn’t exist 😂

[@acidrain3423]

If a celeb did something bad, and I don't like it, I would unfollow them or whatever, but I wouldn't force anyone else too. What I do is up to me, and what other people do is up to them.

[@haiiiyall5465]

Right.

[@timyassa4343]

I'm glad almost everyone in the comments sees how terrible cancel culture is and how toxic it is

[@paolotorres8537]

IKR? If that's so, then we shouldn't be cancelling James Charles, Logan Paul, David Dobrik, or Olivia Jade.

[@somethingelse4282]

That's terrible actually, this discussion should happen and if one side is one sided and close minded nothing will progress. People that believe themselves to be correct are the reason why things like this happen

[@aoifedickinson5604]

Cultural appropriation vs cultural exchange

[@yippie_kai_yay]

Aoife Dickinson this! This is such an underrated comment I hope it gets more notice

[@mayfia]

Yesssss

[@ohfortheloveofguacamole6803]

That would be a good one!

[@randomuserwitharandomname6183]

Oh boi, we would be in for a ride.

[@kaya8191]

I think the people would get into a physical fight hahah

[@nigerian_prince3273]

Like how Johnny Deep was canceled and it turns out he was the one being physically abused 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@madelinesalazar8145]

Right, i read about it and was like omg imagin hos he feels :(

[@s5fetynet]

idk much abt it but weren't they both abusive towards each other?

[@hannahgreen1481]

If they were both abusive then they should both be canceled

[@kayb402]

Johnny is innocent

[@missprettyschannel]

Shame 💔

[@ameliamccarty5379]

Here’s the problem with cancel culture. If you make a mistake there’s no coming back from it. People growing up under the spotlight are bound to make even more mistakes than someone who isn’t. And cancel culture has made it so there’s no room for growth. Of course there should be a limit and this is to a certain degree, but we have to give people second chances. Everyone makes mistakes. Grand and small. We can hold people accountable, but we can also help them get a better understanding of what to do in the future, to not continue making the mistakes they previously made.

[@paolotorres8537]

Like Logan Paul, yes?

[@user-gz5gd1vb3m]

I’m sorry but cancel culture is not going to change anything positively.

[@kennedy4507]

y’all know damn well joy was against cancel culture cause she was cancelled💀

[@wildcard924]

kennedy I thought I was the only one to remember 😂

[@emmanuella8976]

kennedy wait, why and when???

[@karmicobsession1636]

she was actually never relevant enough to be cancelled.

[@turnipswillneverhurtyou3934]

@@emmanuella8976 I think she was in the video for do all trump supports think alike

[@kellywalker-cdle1998]

She has made herself a recognizable part of pop culture, not based on any talent, but because she wears provocative attire to major awards shows that her rich husband's associations within the Scientology community have gotten her into. Her "song" went so high on Billboards because no one knew who she was and people listened to it. It was such a horrible song that people directed others to it in an effort to make fun of her lack of talent.

[@somedog6204]

"Everyone loves Cancel Culture until *you're* the one being canceled." - PewDiePie, 2020. Edit: The way yall are fighting in the comments LMAO.

[@youtubeuser1611]

*until you're the one being held accountable for the shitty things you've done*

[@somedog6204]

@@youtubeuser1611 mhm, agreed

[@jordanthemystery]

That's the way self-righteous society works unfortunately

[@colgado693]

@@youtubeuser1611 doesn't mean you should get canceled for it moron.

[@niklasvilhelm7247]

@@youtubeuser1611 your past isn't YOU, specialy while you're young.

[@redplanet76]

Apparently we no longer believe in forgiveness and redemption even for the contrite. Just removal and damnation for life. For we all know the cancel culture folks are perfect people.

[@Shutterbug5269]

The one question that was never asked, and thus was not discussed. What level of accountability do the people doing the "cancelling" have if they are wrong and destroy the life and livelihood of an innocent person?

[@jamesbizs]

Damn. You’re so right.

[@soulbfkinzkatcupkakes5aptw449]

It also leads to suicide because of depression.

[@vincentvega4034]

In my opinion, people are just bored and want to be a part of something.

[@7lawaneeena]

☑️✔️☑️✔️✅☑️✔️✔️✔️

[@AngelCakez]

They just want clout, and Virtue Signal points lmao

[@arththth8189]

Is that Bobby?

[@thelocc144]

Exactly 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@Espectro-mundial]

@Flipi Dippy no , it's not our job to cancel anyone. Go against the issue, the bad action, preach why is bad, but don't try to destroy another person's life, it doesn't make you a hero.

[@cristiv.4089]

*Please do instagram models vs. runway models.*

[@honeyboo44]

Cristi a

[@mayhem875]

Yess!!!!!

[@mirrelva7247]

OOOO THATS GOOD

[@CertifiedCritique247]

I agree

[@Becca-ol1sq]

Love this idea!!

[@emmajones2359]

There’s a difference between cancelling someone for raping multiple people/kids and cancelling someone for a gay joke they made 10 years ago…

[@alanahsahaba5468]

Hello! I am Alanah, the history major in this video! Since filming this video, my opinion has changed on the topic as “cancel culture” has definitely evolved into an issue of itself. I lean more towards holding people accountable, but would like to elaborate that even when filming this video I did not think that people should be “cancelled” for something that was dug up from years ago that they had SAID on the internet. I think the term “cancel culture” in itself is very 🌽

[@platosplatoon6873]

You are not allowed to change your mind and yourself deserve to be cancelled. No change, no growth. It’s 2022 and we’re all perfect or Satan.

[@worldisfilledb]

You think the term is very corny but you were on the pro cancel culture side? Doesn’t make sense lol

[@sillygf]

@@worldisfilledb people change their minds bozo

[@NadiaSeesIt]

@three okay but that's exactly what she argued against in the video ??? So is it okay for her and not anyone else

[@alanahsahaba5468]

@@NadiaSeesIt Hii what I mean is that I do not believe in canceling someone over something that was “said” years ago because people are constantly evolving and ideas are changing BUT I do think that people like r Kelly and Tory lanez should be held accountable for their actions and I definitely think people that continue to be fans of them are gross. That I still stand by.

[@TheMiSsBaBeX]

Cancel culture is attacking whoever made a mistake and demanding an apology from them but when that person apologizes they make fun of them and say apology not accepted

[@louiseemborong5852]

In short KPop fans.

[@grixtapz]

aka Twitter Stans

[@alexisford-campbell3140]

@@louiseemborong5852 facts!!! As a K-pop stan I can't tell you how many times I've seen this and has had this happen to me🤦🏽

[@codeinevaehh]

literally everyone on twitter

[@JimmyButlersdreads]

@@alexisford-campbell3140 Bro, being a Stan isn’t a good thing.

[@sara-po3re]

GUYS GET THIS TO THE TOP SO THEY CAN SEE THIS: *FLAT EARTHERS V SCIENTISTS*

[@Raechel9]

Sara Saleh flat earthers vs Bill Nye!!!!

[@hamidalhaja]

Flat Earthers are a meme!

[@roxxxion4999]

I don't think so. most people only comment this because they want to see the flat earthers get humiliated, they don't want a discussion just a cheap laugh for themselves. And with all the proof it's pretty clear that the Earth is round (am not saying that u want to see the flat earthers humiliated just a thought)

[@GeometryDashDyno]

A cup of Tae with Suga Kookies Army Forever Exactly and it would be iconic

[@sinonslife4812]

Thats not even a debate, its just telling flatearthers that they are dumbasses

[@elin5849]

we need to hold celebrities accountable for mistakes they made/make but we need to give them space to grow and learn from their mistakes.

[@Swiftmeister.]

If it’s serious like Chris Brown or R Kelly then yeah, hold them accountable. but if it’s just a slightly offensive joke, no matter when it was said, just move on. Don’t dance and cry about it, focus on yourself don’t cry on the internet

[@meow-qt9rl]

True, in essence it embraces growth. Cancelling someone's entire life is like saying that human are incapable of learning thus saying that there's no point in criminal justice system they'll always be criminals. Yes, the current CJS is imperfect but we encouraging something that is just AS imperfect or worse is mind-boggling.

[@xuxihoonie8997]

exactly, if you want them to be better then give them the opportunity to grow, constantly labeling them from their past mistakes is useless

[@MisterMcKinney]

My problem is canceling someone they did decades ago, especially when they were a totally different person.

[@solardriftx1170]

i dont know if this has been done but what about climate change activists and people who don’t believe in it?

[@abhirupsengupta]

You mean intellectuals vs idiots?

[@r.owennn]

Abhirup Sengupta Basically

[@jackstern8738]

Nearly all serious, researchers and scientists agree that climate change is an issue, there is just a very big range on the significance and cost. The externalities and cost of climate change throughout the next 100 years is estimated to be 3-4% of the global economy. That’s a lot of money. But, it is not “ the end of the world.” There is also a credible and long range of concerns of how exactly we can fix the deadliest of these issues. So, there is a conversation there. I’d like to hear it.

[@justsomedude77]

@@jackstern8738 The end of the world comes when clean water is becoming less available in areas like the Middle East and Africa, you know the largest hot beds of terrorism and extremism. When violent people become desperate because their land is no longer livable they move, and bring violence with them. Not to sound anti-immigrant, but in our current path lies the obstacle of the middle east becoming too hot to sustain life, so the actual terrorists would be forced to move, just like their victims that already fled.

[@vintagemint3167]

@@jackstern8738 who cares about the money. What matters is if we're going to die or not. We need to save this planet

[@theSoundOfAWomanWhoLovesYou]

I feel like they all had basically the same opinion but just different ideas of what cancel culture actually is 🤣🤣🤣

[@d4mi]

Megan Breslin honestly it was annoying me the entire video 😂

[@Trylica]

thats why you first give DEFINITIONS in arguments

[@KaeBae_]

@@Trylica I learned that the hard way. This is why I no longer have full blown debates online. Because people like to move the goalpost when establishing their argument.

[@dpatra7081]

Facts. So many arguments would cease to exist if people got their definitions straight

[@Christine-ne4yf]

The issue I have with cancel culture is it does not take into acknowledgement that persons upbringing. A lot of people I know and myself personally have extremely different views from when I was younger. Your opinions are based on what you were surrounded by growing up and by not accepting someone learning, educating themselves what’s to say you’re actually discouraging ppl educating themselves and being open to new views by othering them

[@jacob9919]

The difference is between grace and vengeance. Do you want someone to learn or do you want someone to be punished? I’m not saying rapists should walk free from their crimes. Im saying an old tweet from 10-15 years ago doesn’t define someone’s quality of character today. Discourse and growth are important and they can’t happen when we’re at each other’s throats.

[@Drakonus_]

Cancel culture: Entitled people behind their screens thinking they're the Avengers.

[@masahirosakurai4692]

"Thinking they're the Avengers." LMAO

[@antonzhukovfan]

Someone better make a movie about that

[@jordanthemystery]

I couldn't have said it better myself. They're self-righteous narcicists.

[@nota13xxsfbiagent32]

Yep. Thinking there some powerful force of justice. Lol.

[@shane9245]

*aggressive typing*

[@huvarda]

> Be someone > Make a joke that could potentially be taken offensively with no bad intentions > Wait 10 years or so > Be successful in a career > Get someone to mildly dislike you > They reveal your """""""""""""dark""""""""""""" past > Everyone on twitter irrationally hates you > PROFIT

[@user-sc6qj3uv2u]

I like how the first step is be someone

[@seagullswifeu9824]

sadly, to "be someone" will eventually get you cancelled somehow in some way considering how cancel culture has gone out of control

[@user-sc6qj3uv2u]

@Bunta Fujiwara a fourchan thing

[@noahdoody1405]

“””””””””””””””””

[@greenpeppermint7518]

Basically the Salem witch trials but much much worse

[@srirachaaaa]

I’m pro accountability culture instead of cancel culture. People should be held accountable and learn from their mistakes but not cancelled and have their lives ruined, that isn’t the way to get people to change

[@pelesync4851]

Unless the actual law needs to be brought up, how you gonna hold a version of them 3+years ago accountable? Like stop bringing up people's past because in real life you wouldn't do that. It's so annoying when people try to change so hard, yet others keep bringing up their old self.

[@josephgomwalk5282]

“I’m an artist, I’ve legitimately hit number 1 on billboard” 😭😭 bros expression is sending me

[@wamables6031]

Omg the guys face when the lady in orange said she hit #1 on Billboard before 😂

[@jonolittle2408]

Debra_ava I saw that and had the same reaction 🤣🤣😭😭😭

[@io2255]

Debra_ava I think she hit it on some random country music billboard chart lmao. No way it was a real n.1 no shade

[@nando9632]

ikr every time she is on jubilee she always brags about it and no one knows who she is

[@brycesolar8907]

Debra_ava it was with her song ‘I make static’ and it’s terrible omfg 😂😂

[@michaelnoble7622]

She’s the one who wore the trump dress to the met gala

[@avesaryanna2865]

cancel culture has come to a point where the people cancelling are saying worse things than the person they’re cancelling.

[@aliyahbell3975]

That part!

[@ahsanmalik1121]

I was 69th like

[@Ddfffxcgeddccv]

Cancel culture made the internet boring

[@damndisplace07]

Pro cancel culture side begins every sentence with "I feel like....". Here's the harsh reality: How you feel doesn't matter ultimately.

[@Wtfwhatisthis]

This is so annoying, everyone has some form of toxicity. Funny how the people who preach tolerance are the most INTOLERANT.

[@My_initials_are_O.G.cuz_I_am]

Projection of own insecurities.

[@RiseInAfterlife]

"wHy ShOuLd We Be ToLeRaTiNg InToLeRaNcE?!" Brought to you by the people who think of themselves to be always right in any matter and as the arbiter of truth, tolerance and virtue while being the most morally corrupt people around.

[@davidkonevky7372]

It's like when people started making sexist/virgin jokes at Linux for "stealing" a tampon from an amazon go that he most likely lended to another person. Projecting much smh

[@HarbingerOfTruth1]

Welcome to the politics of the left

[@amysmith8915]

People are thinking their opinions matter, that they have power that they most defiantly not if you think a celebrity or content is offensive simply do not watch it, please get a life all of you thank you

[@FrostyOverwatch]

Is this aimed at James Charles lol

[@Tokiohotel192]

absolutley

[@ryanne8590]

"inspired by"

[@kristinapleus6273]

AmericanTeen it was probably filmed before all of that happened

[@h2oiswater151]

Lmao

[@uns0ciable4ever]

Did you listen to the beginning lol, they said it was inspired by a conversation they had in the office about Kanye west

[@Bloooooooooooppp]

These millionaire celebrities will be just fine. Crying about being cancelled while living in a 7 figure mansion. And it’s weird for the people who work a regular job crying for these rich celebrities who absolutely cares nothing about you.

[@tezzog5836]

THIS

[@jahjahjah213]

Be wary of those who claim someone is guilty with no evidence. "Innocent until proven guilty" is a statement of good, and so only the evil and ignorant can be against it.

[@Ty-tv1ep]

Funnily enough the ppl who use “toxic” like breathing air actually tend to be the most toxic

[@Aaron-kj8dv]

People who use buzzwords like that are almost always projecting

[@aspiknf]

My thoughts exactly lol

[@keepinitkawaii]

It reminds me of one time when a friend got violently angry at another friend calling them toxic because they didn't neglect their families to be there for her or answer he texts immediately or give her money when she needed it and i was like...sis

[@dgrhbybfgbj5751]

Tyler cancel culture is toxic tho

[@Ty-tv1ep]

Football 123 i agree with that too

[@ConfidencePT]

To the young lady that commented saying that Cancel Culture should do the job when someone is found not guilty of a crime, this is the whole reason why the justice system has the presumption of innocence. You are not the jury in a criminal court and you have no right to destroy someone's livelihood when a court has exonerated them.

[@reignnyjoseph8531]

thank you for saying this

[@roxanne_]

luca lichner bruh-

[@cyb3r665]

luca lichner Young Lady? That looks like a guy to me.

[@RiseInAfterlife]

@@Luca-uo5ur Only in skin color and ethnicity. In mind they are all vile people with no regard for right or wrong. Cancel culture needs a certain mindset. Either evil intend or absolute naivite.

[@ethanlouis9771]

@@Luca-uo5ur you're clapped

[@kennethbowers2897]

The idea that people should be silenced/cancelled, even to a point of their livelihoods being destroyed or severely hampered by silencing/canceling someone out is preposterous and arbitrary

[@peacelove869]

This cancel culture is sooooo irritating .... ppl be offended by everything and anything especially for useless stuff ... Just gets on my nerves idk ...kinda cringe . It shall only be used if the crime is terrible and should also give room for ppl to improve as a person...after committing a deviant action.

[@sarafrangi7564]

no one: joy: I HaVe LeGiTiMaTelY HiT #1 oN BiLbOaRd seth: when, where, receipts?

[@MiniMeags]

She does tho lmao however I wouldn’t of known this if it wasn’t for her being on middle ground a trillion times

[@dragonreborn1033]

Makeup With Smidge she was for the rock genre

[@narutotrickzxtv3D]

I think His facial expression at 4:39 was literally what everyone was thinking in that moment 🤣🤣🤣

[@gav2545]

1500 monthy listeners on spotify. Looks like the controversial dresses she wears for attention arent working too great to boost her listens...maybe next time joy 😔

[@okmarissa2923]

sara frangi SHE ALWAYS SAYS THAT

[@madysenhall7119]

cancel culture now is just incredibly toxic. people bring up things from YEARS ago and they ruin a person's career even though they have grown and changed, because people CAN grow and change and I think that people who partake in cancel culture don't let anyone change or grow and they deny that anyone can grow and change from past mistakes. I think celebrities should be held accountable but they should also be given the chance to learn from their mistakes. I will say that it depends on what the celebrity does, but if its something minor (like a lot of it is nowadays) then they should be given the chance to learn and the people need to back off. it's almost like people just want to cancel anybody for anything they do and that's not how it should be.

[@xaviorbufkin7250]

Jenna marbles is a prime example of this

[@Neoncaffine9915]

thankyou for this comment

[@mrsarmy5136]

Xavior Bufkin well Jenna marbles wasn't really cancelled she just left nobody was trying to cancel her they were focusing on shane

[@theunproffessional8617]

Ik jenna marbles said the n word 10 years ago and got cancelled for that.

[@theunproffessional8617]

@@xaviorbufkin7250 ikr she said a "mean word 😭" 10 years ago and got cancelled for it.

[@daiseezpriv]

there’s a big difference between demanding change & bullying

[@saimi4630]

Sethin ilmeet oli yo-kokeen parasta viihdettä

[@ThePlotsku]

jes en ollu ainut joka tänne tuli kirjotusten takia

[@zello6692]

Nobody: Not a single soul: Joy: I have legitimately hit no.1 on Billboard’s Seth: 🤨

[@BrandosLife]

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOO

[@5xmasterx548]

Noone?

[@mirael96]

She was at "do all trump supporters think the same", and she said exactly the same...

[@blayze995]

She was trying to stand out. Even though she agreed with everyone she still managed to say "thats your opinion" at one point without voicing any actual disagreement.

[@superduperjoi6800]

Lol

[@TributesAndUnique]

This Joy lady always has to be flexin her #1 "hit" that nobody's ever heard

[@vf-tst]

She hit #1 because she wore a MAGA dress at the Grammy's and all the Trump supporters jumped on the virtue signaling. It wasn't even for her music lmao

[@DiabolicalAngel]

Right? LOL

[@lindsey9650]

I think the difficult part about the cancel culture is that there are circumstances where “canceling” someone is appropriate and even necessary, but then there’s also many instances where the internet takes things to far and “cancels” someone without having ll the information first, or just being given false information. It’s such a slippery slope of “where do we draw the line” and I think that’s just so different for everyone in general but also based on your age, gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation, income, where they grew up, what their up bringing was like, etc those things impact how we see the word and think about certain issues…

[@musicmovienerd9179]

Anybody here from WillTalksMusic?

[@lola-ri3du]

me

[@AlleeeeHooop]

"Are you a liar today?" "No, not today." 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@kp782]

Alexis Drake hah Yes such a poor argument

[@tay-qo2tu]

Yeah, that argument was awful. So just because someone raped someone in the past they shouldn't be branded as a rapist? Lmao lying does not even compare

[@Leviathan_Art]

@@kp782 the arguement isnt poor the subject he used was poor and to follow it up with R.kelly was the wrong call.

[@Blueyes91g]

That may not have been one of the best arguments but here's a separate one. I personally like to use one similar to this because I am against cancel culture personally. Take the video they did on do all criminals think the same. I believe most of them were murderers and a few were other federal crimes. They all served their time and got out and are back in society. They will never not have committed those crimes in their past. So what's the point of having jail time at all if people can not learn and grow. By cancel culture logic everyone should always stay in jail. Cancel culture to me is if someone is guilty of a crime, they are nothing more than that. They should never be let out of prison and try to make a living. Also the bill we past in FL in the last election gave federal criminals their right to vote back. Cancel culture to me is taking that right away again. I will admit that not all crimes are equal. I personally believe a cheater is always a cheater and a rapist is always a rapist. Will I personally interact with those people? No. To this point I know I am a hypocrite. But it's not my right to take that person's right way to try and earn a living. ALSO our criminal justice system is flawed, BUT mob rule is not better. It should still be innocent until proven guilty and once they serve their time they should get out. We should not be continuing to punish criminals once they have paid for them. People need to be given a chance to grow and do better and cancel culture never allows that. I like to use Kevin Hart as an example. Did he have some insensitive jokes? By today's standards yes, but back then not really. You cannot punish people for not being ahead of their time.

[@reinerbraun898]

@@tay-qo2tu For every point there's a counterargument. What he said wasn't awful, it just doesn't apply to everything like rape.

[@taylorcoleman3747]

@ 4:40 he was looking at her like “I ain’t never heard of you but ok” 😭😭😭

[@ky7300]

Smartyflop - 🤣😂

[@nomnomanimations1107]

lmao

[@enyianettles3273]

Period me too

[@Pancake3225]

It literally brought nothing into their conversation.

[@SpokenIntoExistence]

Smartyflop - I was thinking the same thing 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@lizbethmendieta7974]

WILLTALKSMUSIC

[@DGregster]

I'll just say this: With cancel culture we are moving ever closer toward a world like that of George Orwell's 1984. Once we accept million dollar companies using our data to censor what we can see or know, then we have truly lost our freedom to get correct and accurate information, our freedom to choose to or not to support a person/platform/idea, and we lose our freedom to express ourselves and our beliefs through a creative outlet. Cancel culture should be no more than individuals deciding to "cancel" someone. We shouldn't let corporations make that decision for us.

[@chynavm2803]

4:40 THEY WAY HE LOOKED AT HER WHEN SHE SAID SHE HIT NUMBER 1💀💀💀

[@giovannameza3921]

I WAS CRYING 😭🤣🤣🤣 SAME REACTION

[@krrbrr7057]

Jacqueles Twali what did she do? I mean who is she? Musician?

[@krrbrr7057]

Jacqueles Twali oh okay thanks

[@lv4519]

What song did she even make 🤨

[@TMo-gi4mw]

Just Chyna I’m dying 😂😂😂

[@xamziex2258]

The thing is with cancel culture, people will be on board with bullying the person, until the person goes through personal issues like suicide then they scream “you never know what someone’s going through” “mental health is important”

[@aqueen13]

This is exactly my concern... it should be called bully culture.

[@baekbillytiu6494]

Twitter likes to pick a victim and a villain. If they assumed the most minute vulnerability in you, you're the victim and they will use you to bully "assumed" villains. That's what heroism means to them. Mental health awareness now is assuming that a "victim" is mentally tortured by a minor word said by a "villain" so let's mentally torture the villain by a major action. I saved the day. Not ironic at all.

[@aqueen13]

@@baekbillytiu6494 very true. It is not good logic for them to follow this pattern though. I wish they could see a more balanced view of it all.

[@KaeBae_]

LIT👏🏾ER👏🏾AL👏🏾LY👏🏾 THIS! Cancel culture is bullying, and bullying is never justified. EVER.

[@snakebear4183]

Absolutely, they're hypocrites often resorting to the behaviour they're supposedly 'cancelling' in the process

[@makotoakiyama6765]

Cancel people for illegal crimes: like rape or murder, but not for little stuff like saying something offensive in the past. It sad that some people would rather be raped in the streets than to be offended.

[@RapidBlindfolds]

what? who would rather be publicly raped than be offended?

[@Crustiecricket]

@@RapidBlindfolds stop defending cancel culture

[@RapidBlindfolds]

@@Crustiecricket I genuinely don't know what this person meant to say

[@user-ls9tc6dp7c]

@@RapidBlindfolds he meant cancel people who are actually doing harm to others not cancel people who just do simple mistake

[@RapidBlindfolds]

@@user-ls9tc6dp7c how though? Can you explain how people wanting to be raped rather than offended has anything to do with accountability culture as opposed to cancel culture? Rape is always going to be a more cancel-able offence than saying something offensive. No one has the value judgement that saying something offensive is worse than rape.

[@leevikorkeela266]

Just here to tell you that this video was a material used in the most recent national english exam in Finland (the best school system on earth :D)

[@Kyotosomo]

I love how the Anti-Cancel Culture side absolutely obliterated the Pro-Cancel Culture side because it turns out anybody with at least half a brain and half a conscious is perfectly capable of realizing how disgusting Cancel Culture is as well disgusting the people are who actually think it's okay to participate in it (like holy crap imagine being that lacking in basic human empathy).

[@BrandonJamesChin]

Amen

[@somedog6204]

Legit extremely true. People get bashed for stating an opinion about someone because they don't like that person for something minor that could've happened probably 6 years ago.

[@StrawberryFeildsforNever]

Nah. Mainstream Cancel culture is hella toxic. It’s supposed to be holding people accountable, that isn’t wrong.

[@1.4142]

Cancel culture is largely caused by conformity. When celebrities commit wrongdoing, more accusations, clickbait rumors, and anger-provoking statements spread across social media like an epidemic as they are already widely publicized. People stop objectively looking at the facts and go with the flow of hate, buying into and spreading rumors regardless of truth. A single petty 9 year old mistake can ruin a career, lead to public shaming, impact their personal life, and damage a reputation for life. Yes, the justice system makes mistakes that should be recognized, but when the public controls it, we are ruled by the tyranny of the unthinking majority.

[@JustOneOpinion]

Only 20% of humans have the capability to feel empathy

[@leecovert1834]

Okay, cancel culture has gone way too far, but in the cases like Onision, it is definitely needed.

[@beesknees2594]

Koal Kottentail He also neglects his children.

[@Cheers.-]

Onision was never cancelled per say, everyone who knows him from the internet hates him independantly of the culture that surrounds him.

[@Cheers.-]

@Koal Kottentail Anything someone on the internet can do wrong except he started out as a well liked youtuber back in the days and slowly revealed his true self over the years. At the basis of all this is his narcissistic nature.

[@whyusothirstybro]

The fact that Chris Hansen is getting involved should say a lot

[@lillyperez1362]

@GipsiFPV *You couldn't have worded that nay better*

[@pickle4422]

Cancelling is a way for someone to ruin another person’s life because “they hurwt my feewings”

[@middlenamexavier]

The issue is getting canceled just for saying something you dislike like body types, so called bullying, or just supporting the wrong thing. Like people are basically saying follow the crowd when we were taught as a kids to be leaders and don’t follow the crowd. But it’s either follow the crowd or will make your life very difficult that’s when it all got really outta control

[@chichinoah8042]

An episode for community college students vs ivy league students please! It would be quite interesting.

[@claudiabenedito2928]

ooooo good idea!

[@Saveg36]

oh lord

[@codinggrunt1295]

and or online students possibly?

[@naheemwatson1569]

i love this idea

[@JyreeRios]

chichi noah ooooooo Thad good one

[@haileymoehlmann9198]

I'm surprised nobody mentioned James Charles in this. I feel like he was a prime victim of cancel culture that fortunately just managed to make it out alive. The problem with cancel culture isn't when we as a society make an educated decision to no longer support someone who's committed heinous acts. The real flaws come from minor offenses about situations that are either no longer relevant or simply never happened. It almost starts to become a game of telephone. "Did you know John said gays are inferior 10 years ago?" "Omg I had no idea he used to be so homophobic" "John's homophobic? Can't support him anymore" "Nobody should support John because he's homophobic". It always spirals so fast because most people aren't willing to invest the time to do research before continuing to open their mouths. And by the end of it, perhaps John maybe only said "You know, sometimes I really do wonder if gay couples can raise children as effectively as straight couples can." It's not the best statement out there, and it can certainly can be debatable, but the level of escalation is ultimately what causes Cancel Culture to fail.

[@winterspringfail]

exactly. words are twisted all the time. being problematic and holding opinions, even if troubling versus actually committing violent and illegal acts are two very different things yet cancel culture treats it the same. If it's a little bit bad, it's extremely bad and that's the mindset unfortunately.

[@asperbergers7136]

Lil Wayne is "getting canceled" recently for not following the mob during the George Floyd murder. However most neglect the fact he may feel a different way is because he was saved by a police officer when he was like 12 after a self inflicted gun shot. Shits sad.

[@sarahmcmillan85]

Exactly! Context/intent/etc are completely lost.

[@roxanne_]

Ragnar Malcolm cAncLe culture is basically like so, person 1: omg Lil Wayne isn’t supporting the mobs because a police officer saved him when he was 12. Person 2: Wow Lil Wayne doesn’t support BLM . Person 3: Everyone should cAncLe him because apparently WE SHOULD ONLY FOLLOW THIS OPINION AND NOT LOOK AT THE CONTEXT AND IMMEDIATELY CANCEL HIM ! *it’s like the blind leading the man* 👨‍🦯 😔

[@jbuchan12]

Then John ultimately ends up hating the SJWs, dosen't learning anything at all. Might even end up blaming the LGBT community. Everyone has done stuff in their past that they now know to be wrong. Its like the French revolution all over again.

[@Idk-kf6nl]

I’m so split on my opinion because there are certain things that ARE cancellable, or when people don’t change or grow from their past mistakes. But there are also a lot of instances where people made a mistake and they grow and learn from it. I just really think it depends on a situation.

[@Jelly006]

The cancel culture people really think they’re a savior or something

[@melanieespino]

I searched up who joy villa is and now ik why she’s so against cancel culture and it’s bc she herself is cancelled lmao💀

[@dino2559]

Is it just because she supports Trump cause that’s so immature

[@post-its2506]

@@dino2559 its not immature. trump is immature. immature is knowing what trump is doing and still saying things like "she can have an opinion" and "don't cancel her" while the president is wrecking havoc on the country. im not gonna be sympathetic to a random person's opinion if they won't be sympathetic towards the millions affected by trump's policies.

[@felibarrabino7556]

@@post-its2506 however, voting is a right not an illegal activity

[@post-its2506]

@@felibarrabino7556 the people did vote. if it wasnt for the electoral system, hillary would have won. she has the majority of the popular vote. also, illegal immigrants are not the only ones negatively affected by his policies.

[@felibarrabino7556]

@@post-its2506 yeah, however, you should respect how the elections work in the US... ITS LEGAL

[@loverrlee]

I’m anti cancel culture because there are lots of instances where there is drama that “cancels” someone before any of their actions are even verified. Like Melanie Martinez. She was never actually convicted of the crime the social media dragged her for.

[@wonderer4815]

loverrlee exactly and the girl that accused Melanie admitted that it was all a lie. Melanie was innocent the entire time but people always wanna jump to conclusions without the facts. It’s ridiculous.

[@resseta1732]

Omg that's such a good point, I cried for Melanie and for Johnny Depp too!!!

[@aubreetanner9543]

I STARTED listening to Melanie Martinez during that time, because of the rape accusations. I thought it was highly unlikely that she was guilty, and I hated that people were so quick to presume she was guilty. I think the worst part of it all is when people would put in their bios or under their posts things like "don't even try to defend Melanie Martinez or I'll block you." Imagine if they said that in a court of law lol. Cancel culture has become what it is because people love to watch people's lives fall apart. It's fucked up and that's why I hate it. If people were reasonable and fair and moral, then I'd support it, but they're not.

[@roxanne_]

Aubree Tanner it’s usually the sad lonely people who do such things 😗 ya know the saying misery loves company

[@DawnAfternoon]

Or James Charles. Or Johnny Deep.

[@mxvortex2341]

By far the most respectful middle ground I’ve seen. Everyone was open to the other side’s opinions, but also knew how to back up their own. That’s what debates should be like.

[@psilocypher]

The court of public opinion has always been a thing. And if you’re offended by someone, don’t listen to their music or buy their art or watch them perform, etc, but don’t ruin it for those who aren’t offended. Cancel culture is ridiculous..

[@lordmeamcraft2231]

Imagine this. We find out Thomas Edison killed someone, what we supposed to do? Stop using light bulbs?

[@DWhite205]

BEST COMMENT ON HERE.

[@julide6846]

speak louder for the people in the back

[@MSaleh-vy8rr]

@@cracked_nebula1479 Okay what about the planet Earth

[@extraextraxtraterrestialah8794]

@@cracked_nebula1479 Thats true but what about america it was also built by slaves

[@LithiumProductions]

That's right. Yes, the justice system is flawed, but it's the system we've put our faith in to decide, because everyone's sense of "justice" is different. It's only when they their side doesn't get what they want that they then cry "injustice!"

[@felicesegolamepule6201]

The look on this guy's face when Joy said she's hit #1 on billboard 😂

[@UdoADHD]

Felice Pule omg lol

[@roya764]

Mood!

[@cs-ix1wj]

Seriously who is she??

[@aardbeidelijkheid]

@@cs-ix1wj i think she's the pro trump women? But honestly, I'm not sure? I believe she was in another one of these as well

[@JordanNevermind]

I only know of her because I remember her appearing on the Grammys red carpet wearing a dress that said "Make America Great Again" lol

[@kanyewestfan4758]

Anyone who spends their time looking at a screen trying to cancell a successful person is a loser

[@rusty3073]

Yeah man.

[@rusty3073]

They definitely gonna need to get a life

[@kanyewestfan4758]

@@rusty3073 but they can't realize it

[@mariatereza9721]

Cancel culture is just the modern form of stoning and public humiliation, just because you're not physically destroying someone it doesn't mean is not as brutal, psychological damage can even be worst sometimes

[@XD-cr3du]

"I wouldn't buy an artists work if they commited a violent crime" Okay, so we cancel all Hip Hop?

[@derpwadder]

Exactly

[@irina8120]

@@TN-wv6ok I don't know why this made me laugh but it's so true !!! now if you are man, white and straight you don't have rights to give an opinion on the internet 😂 This is the problem here this generation is creating division putting them labels and generalizing groups, like all white people are mean, NO! And I'm not white but that doesn't suit right to me.

[@poppagBallZ97]

Irina you’re so right 👏🏽

[@poppagBallZ97]

Cross Crease Hockey people just think the straight white male is bad 🤦‍♀️ it doesn’t make sense

[@Jashinist-follower]

I thought some people thought all whites were bad

[@Msf7885]

At 4:40 when she’s talking about her billboards hits he’s like “who are u again 😂

[@stephoneley6771]

Jahmar Da goat facts lol

[@MyNamesRevenge]

i mean she said she is a singer / songwriter, she could have written a song that a popular artist used. it's not really a reach

[@user-mv4os8pq2i]

LMFAOOOOOOO she’s so annoying

[@h3llboyyy407]

@@user-mv4os8pq2i not really.

[@mabs1970]

Regan she deadass is fr tho

[@Ms_Nightshade]

This was really beautiful!!! Much thanks to all who participated, and kudos for remaining respectful and compassionate to one another!!!

[@markoportuondo7375]

Cancel culture also has people over exaggerate or practically lie about a situation.

[@themlszone6961]

Hey jubilee please do "do single fathers think the same" or something with single fathers🙏🏾🙏🏾

[@DaniAlexandria]

And something with teen fathers

[@highpriestess3947]

Yes I would love this topic, and especially include actual full custody single fathers who raise their child(ren) solely. I was raised by a single father he raised 9 of us when my mother passed from cancer and 6 of us were girls; love to know the different views between their child(ren) that are girls especially.

[@EddieP32]

or something with stay at home fathers

[@lana89001]

YES

[@NaomiBrown]

single fathers and single mothers.

[@lilliansigrist8890]

i feel like the main problem is that cancel culture doesn’t allow people to improve. like if someone has been “cancelled,” no matter how many times they apologize or attempt to correct their mistakes and own up to them, it’s a lost cause. i’m not saying they should be completely forgiven, but they should get some credit for trying to improve.

[@AaronCMounts]

Never bow to the mob, never apologize to the mob. Get your firepower, stand your ground and tell the mob to get bent. When a few cancellers die for their behavior, the mob might get the message.

[@KaeBae_]

Exactly, because it's not about the apology. It's just about ruining people's lives.

[@piratesfan123]

@@AaronCMounts True, they wanna be getting out the pitchforks against others for things they hope other people would forgive from them, I wonder how it feels to have truly lived a saintly life where nothing i ever said or did was against the social norms of the day

[@__________________________89]

Holy Crap! I can't said it better myself, but you're on point.

[@esperwon1049]

You're right what would you expect from the people who don't want to improve themselves?

[@MagnusAnand]

“I don’t like his music because he said something ugly 15 years ago, so I want nobody to buy his music ever”. Ok, got it.

[@dazehp4776]

If you made an insensitive joke years ago then no, if you touched a kid then yes, depended on what they done

[@fartripper7598]

what about maybe Anti-Public Breastfeeding v.s. Pro-Public Breastfeeding ?

[@boybriar]

would be boring as the anti side is so obviously in the wrong there and their argument is based on feelings not facts

[@snowbird1381]

There is actually a middle ground with that. my mom has this breastfeeding scarf which can be worn as a normal scarf, and then can be pulled over the baby and let her breastfeed in public without exposure

[@xoxoxosaidie2765]

@@f.b.i6889 yes why are you staring at someone's junk

[@taserfuel1336]

F.B.I plenty of men walk around topless for no reason while mothers are just trying to feed their child

[@whatsittoyou6962]

Saidie Jimenez lol right🙈🍆

[@cowboypimp]

His face @ 4:40 when she said she hit #1 on billboard lmaooooooo

[@myahwashington6319]

michelle sosa maybe like #12 but #1 is a stretch.

[@user-qo7ul3wm1g]

it was number one on one of the unimportant charts lmao 😂 it dont count

[@jaquelinneitzel5462]

She’s still irrelevant.....

[@narrowstone5363]

@@myahwashington6319 it's actually #12 damn

[@michaelcobb9503]

@@jaquelinneitzel5462 and what do you do? mr jacks sparrow

[@kingdingaling8709]

Cancel culture is one group deciding that the other isn't responsible enough to make their own informed decisions.

[@abr570]

" a voice should be earned not given away" - Bortus (2017)

[@mariahsanchez8882]

Pro/anti- physician assisted suicide

[@ExistentialIzzy]

I wish I could give more than 1 like.

[@trystaylor4395]

YES !!

[@anonymousenzo]

YES

[@toenailclippings]

So people who euthenize others right?

[@Nova-qw3bt]

Great idea!!

[@wthh1823]

we need jubilee dating app but not only for dating,also for finding friends

[@jubilee]

Ya'll coming in hard with wanting a dating service from us haha. We just might have to experiment with something... 😮

[@wthh1823]

@A N yes!!!

[@blxss18]

@@jubilee ooh, I guess we'll just have to wait and see 😊

[@MrWhiskers]

What about a jubilee app where people can participate in questions like this

[@jubilee]

@@MrWhiskers We're actually working on something like that!

[@_bunniculaa]

No one should be forced to cancel no one.. If you decide you don't like a famous person actions then stop listening to their music or watching their shows or whatever.. But it is NEVER okay to make people feel bad for not canceling them with you.

[@dead7781]

A very wise and happy person once told me: "Life is a series of problems. If you teach yourself to be a problem solver, it will be fantastic ride. If you focus more on who to blame and expect them to fix it, you'll just create more problems."