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[@selenespoiler]

Actual MGTOW What can we do, it’s their platform and their free to do so. I agree that it’s biased and that they cut scenes on people they don’t agree with, it’s sad but that’s what most media does. Not any different with them.

[@x6xk1LLx9x]

@Actual MGTOW weow you sound like such a victim

[@x6xk1LLx9x]

@Actual MGTOW Aww, did I hurt your feelings? Ya gonna tell your wife's boyfriend to come beat me up now?

[@atticus319]

As usual, you minimize men's experience in MeToo The man is likely going to be arrested, handcuffed, interrogated, have to arrange a lawyer, and the money for it, stress about how his life is going to unfold, and endure the stress of a pending case over months and years. All while society will see him as a predator. While the victim will give her statement, likely get emotional support through it, and likely feel some sense of virtue as she gets attention and pity. And if he gets convicted.. well, then things go really bad. Compare that to the "victim's" experience, even including the most common "sexual assault", in which it's likely a date situation and the woman was unhappy with some aspect of her experience. Who do you think has it worse? Would you rather go on a romantic date that was disappointing, or have 3-10 years of your life upended?

[@manigje1]

@gaby that doesn't happen.

[@ilenegoddard9113]

Letting rape victims be heard is sooooo important but the people who falsely accuse people of sexual assault are disgusting

[@cuttingaway123]

Yeah

[@Mfor1998]

yeah false accusers needa b jailed

[@wolfetteplays8894]

That’s what we used to do back in the day before we have the SJWs more power

[@houdphoud1789]

They just use woman empowerment in the wrong way

[@moonbound6478]

@@wolfetteplays8894 when?

[@stevenfoster9402]

I am 1000% in support of prison sentences for people who falsely accuse others of rape.

[@crabken4969]

Could not agree more

[@Forest-ju7vw]

Ya or at least a fine

[@ailemi]

yes! so many men, mainly men of color have been sentenced to life and have gotten the death penalty even tho they aren’t guilty and the women just sits back and watches his life be ruined

[@jlo803]

I had to read this twice LOL

[@kadenmccannon1917]

Steven Foster I agree with u to an extent. Although then u run into the big issue of now people who are truthfully raped do not want to speak out about it in case no evidence is found and they are presumed to have falsely accused the man and may be sent to prison. Not disagreeing with u at all just kinda bringing in the other side.

[@turbogeek.421]

"Believe all women" should be replaced with "Take all victims seriously"

[@holagirl7144]

people say: believe victims, not “believe all women” i’ve not heard anyone say it to just women since all people that support metoo include everyone

[@nekemli1491]

@@holagirl7144 so why is "believe all women" so popular?

[@The_jezeb3l]

Or maybe "Everyone Be Critical Thinkers"

[@holagirl7144]

Retardo Davinci because people noticed it’s usually women and sometimes people like to use it to say it’s misogynistic

[@thelakeman5207]

Why can women wear a wig and nothing is said, but if a guy wears a toupee, he is laughed at?

[@mycarolism]

As a real victim who still suffers from PTSD, I feel a lot of injustice when there are false allegations; it takes away my credibility and replaces it with more silence and utter pain

[@spanishinquisition4616]

I'm sorry for whatever happened to you. I hope that you are doing okay in your life 😁

[@gwendolyn1003]

No it doesn't

[@ALJ9000]

@@gwendolyn1003 Oh? Indulge me then. 🧐

[@karend169]

100 percent agree. When someone makes a false accusation, it might make people look at me or anyone else and question if it really happened to us.

[@didjdjdjdjd5249]

@@ALJ9000 no one was talking to u

[@ozamrani22]

"False accusations don't happen" *Johnny Depp has entered the room

[@thenacho6354]

Daaam.....I forgot about that.

[@dominicknash3987]

Lmao

[@malcolmhodnett8874]

Exactly smh

[@giannamccord]

*MJ has entered the room*

[@emma4443]

scarymovies What was he falsely accused of?

[@pinoypridehighlights8593]

The girl who just said that false accusations dont happen just lost her credibility for the whole video

[@Elplankto11]

she was not very good at explaining anything anyways

[@jumpman3210]

Public Extermination Please

[@WARDEATHFUN]

She is a garbage human being. She's right, no questions asked. Why is she even here for a discussion video if she just wants to talk?

[@Kinofspawn]

So because one person says one thing that makes that person less then a person... Peoples words always mean something, they can be wrong or right or somewhere between. But saying someone does not have any credibility because of one thing they say is extremely ignorant. I do disagree with most of what she said, but that doesn't mean what she said doesn't have value and that you can not learn from it. When you say things like this, it takes away from learning opportunities and will quite possibly continue to say more ignorant things.

[@Elplankto11]

@@Kinofspawn in the video she literally did literally discredited something the guy said

[@ciaran4135]

The problem with being pro MeToo and being anti MeToo is that it implies that people either need to believe every accusation or reject every accusation when in reality you can't do either.

[@CB-im3oh]

Honestly best comment on here by far! Agreed. Anyone who says they have a simple solution is wrong!

[@sx4rymonsters]

I feel like you should always believe the stories until they are proven wrong, because saying it didn’t happen can really damage someone

[@ciaran4135]

@@sx4rymonsters That’s a good point. I feel like assaulters in these cases are guilty unless proven innocent. It’s just in some cases, caution should be taken because the system can be manipulated, but we shouldn’t ignore it though.

[@ciaran4135]

@Canis Lupus I think you're misunderstanding. The people who lie about it are a very small handful. Obviously an important handful and we need to take that into consideration, but what you're also doing is invalidating many true accusations that get swept under the rug because of the mindset that you are demonstrating which infests the entire movement. Doubt is the enemy of logic, until you realise that you will never understand the foundation of the movement as a whole.

[@gjjijji]

@@ciaran4135 it’s innocent until proven guilty with every crime. Having a guilty until proven innocent will destroy our society and trust that people will abusé it. Now anyone can accuse anyone with no proof. Now you’d be put your self at risk anytime your alone with anyone.

[@kailingreen7573]

One thing we don’t realize when we say “innocent until proven guilty,” its often taken to the point that victims are “lying until proven honest.” There has to be a middle ground.

[@aarav7851]

And just for the record that's just a saying, for most common people it's like always guilty once accused

[@houseofmatrix6174]

I agree we shouldn’t call women liars but until the truth comes we should reserve judgment unless there’s evidence. I agree with you it’s needs to be a middle ground.

[@xuniepyro7399]

If the victim doesn't want to be assumed a liar, then bring a proper evidence instead of typing hastags on Twitter and crying in a youtube video. Like, a real rape victim wouldn't be so open about their experience to the point of sharing that online

[@estebanbedoya6845]

Wow you people are crazy. Any rape accusation should not be publicize on any social media or news channel until a verdict has being given. An accusation is equivalent to a conviction for many people

[@thenoobinvestor6930]

No it's often taken to the point that victims 'could be lying or could be telling the truth we need proof before coming to conclusion' atleast that's how it should be

[@wagesofsinn3881]

The biggest issue with people who are falsely accused is that they're rarely ever referred to as victims.

[@raysplaining1101]

Wages of Sinn , there’s more than just being falsely accused. There’s falsely charged. And falsely convicted. And then falsely sentenced. In the eye of the public, all someone needs to be is falsely accused. God forbid they are actually legally charged unless it’s warranted.

[@wagesofsinn3881]

@Chris Bartolini no no no. Attempted Genocide. They're still around.

[@Digdigi]

Johnny Depp for example.

[@drewyetti]

That’s because they are men and thanks to feminist propaganda, men are seen as bad.

[@justinrichards7194]

It really did do some good. But it's gone way too far at this point. Its nice to see content like this. The answer is absolutely in the middle somewhere. Not pro, or anti. More like a kind of supportive of me too.

[@Cexxxy]

My friend got accused of rape, kicked off his university team, spent 6 months in prison. 2 years later she came out saying she lied. Nothing happened to her.

[@awkwardoddysee4438]

Yeah because it false accusations "does not happen". Seriously though, sorry about that situation. That sucks.

[@Roman-us2fp]

Cilq That just made me visibly angry.

[@crissie7116]

See this right here is exactly why I am not a feminist. As a girl growing up in the 2010’s all you hear about on the media is women and how they need to rise up over the guys but the whole time I thought, but what about other genders? They have there perspective and now that this is so big they can’t speak out without being shut down. Sure the feminist movement was important yes but that was a few decades ago. We have this good gender equality now and some girls just won’t stop! Like that girl who poured bleach on guys ‘man spreading’ on the train that’s just so fucked up! And stories like your friend get hidden under the curtain and it sucks.

[@awkwardoddysee4438]

@@crissie7116 I agree.

[@joshuag6847]

Lol

[@alethiastafford6061]

Don’t believe all women, don’t believe all men, believe all the actual victims regardless of gender!

[@kordellswoffer1520]

We shouldn't believe the victims we should believe the evidence or a lack of it.

[@alethiastafford6061]

@@kordellswoffer1520 Yes!

[@ALJ9000]

Smart people here. I love it 😁

[@Forit26]

Instead of believing, HEAR them

[@kordellswoffer1520]

@@Forit26 we do hear them but we can't do anything more then that unless proven.

[@madlen3015]

Every person who lied about being a victim needs to go to jail

[@conse.rvativebrunette9517]

That was ignorant on that young women's part to say that false accusations do not happen.

[@lol349]

I think she just meant their rare

[@lilyjohnson9216]

I've noticed so many women in these comments acknowledging her comment, say of course false accusations occur and she was wrong to say that. So far, in my scrolling, I haven't seen any men commending the positive aspects of these conversations and acknowledging victims stories. This is not an attack on you, just an observation. It almost feels like women have to work overtime to meet men on their point of view, and a lot of them won't even acknowledge a victim's.

[@lambsauce8172]

​@@lilyjohnson9216 that's because it's already universal that victims have been wronged, it's fairly a new concept to idiots that many people lie about rape

[@schustererik83]

@@lol349 thats not true either

[@nelz07]

@Big The Cat that’s not true

[@MemosaOfficial]

People who false accuse deserve consequences‼️‼️

[@s1lic0necutie]

AmiriahKaite yes it is illegal, it’s also lying under oath if taken to court.

[@Diamond-xl1vs]

caca xoxo yes it would because most of the time lack of evidence equals false

[@tommuggeridge5659]

if a person is found guilty of falsely accusing another person of rape, they deserve the same prison sentence as a rapist.

[@alexsaracene3095]

If you falsely accuse you should be registered as a sex offender

[@entername9179]

caca xoxo You have to look at it through the eyes of the law because the moment you stop you lose the middle ground and the system which is set in stone and then it turns into well I think this and I think this if people go to court knowing they won’t win and they don’t even if the person they were accusing is guilty it’s their fault because they knew it wouldn’t work

[@yaperokie2849]

Ovi: t h a t d o e s n o t h a p p e n Johnny Deep: 👁👄👁

[@ALJ9000]

So sad what happened to him 😔

[@aaliyahmedina128]

who the fuck is johnny deep????

[@ahwmahwm5533]

@@aaliyahmedina128 Captain jack sparrow

[@Forit26]

@@aaliyahmedina128 johnny depp*

[@caisarriojzr1968]

@@Forit26, maybe you should have corrected the original commenter instead

[@Daisika]

I’m disappointed that the black woman said “that does not happen” when I’m sure she’s heard of Emmett Till

[@VMohdude-]

Emmett Till wasn’t really accused of anything illegal tho, he was originally accused of whistling and was murdered for it.

[@jasminewilliams8944]

Neutral comment: me too is a necessary movement but we need to remove anti-men rhetoric

[@LoveGoodHipHop]

Best comment here, I'm a man and most men would agree with this believe it or not. The problem is that this movement is tied almost directly to that rhetoric present day

[@isurehopeso7689]

Yes👏 exactly

[@peneloperenee2246]

you👏are👏 correct 👏

[@fishsmell2570]

lol nope. It's called a witch hunt. You can't fix that.

[@nyetran2440]

MeToo would have worked better if the message was to take all women seriously instead of believe all women. Obviously you can't instantly believe everyone but you can take them seriously and hear them out.

[@godsangell12]

I firmly believe in not interrupting someone when they speak

[@TheRadicalConservative]

You can, only politely tho.

[@shannon5523]

Dokta 46 no u can’t, interrupting someone is disrespectful no matter what. let them finish what they are saying and add what you want to say after

[@TheRadicalConservative]

@@shannon5523 ok. But what if they don’t give you a chance for you to speak. You can’t just let them walk all over you.

[@shannon5523]

Dokta 46 yea well i mean i’m talking about when you don’t even let them finish like this lady wouldn’t let her get a sentence out and i think it’s rude to argue with someone when u haven’t heard them out yet, you know?

[@TheRadicalConservative]

@@shannon5523 yeah I can agree with you on that point!!👍🏼

[@kleberson777]

If you're pro MeToo, you should be anti false accuser too. Because it's one of the reason that can cause a distrust to women even if she's actually a victim

[@tonyonaperky2128]

Women ain't the only victim here. People think that when you get falsely accused that's it, you just have to prove your innocence. People say "I'd rather be falsely accused" yeah? Try being that in a community of people who know you. If you get falsely accused they'll tear your house, theyll beat you up, and they'll even rape you to know how it feels, but you'll be innocent. So you'll be raped, but everyone will wish you were dead.

[@charlessynowiec3876]

ruins mens life’s along w the real victims life’s. it’s insanely selfish to ignore the factual evidence that false accusations happen just as much (if not more) than factual accusations.

[@pagehaunter]

"If you put your hand on a woman's waist--" BRO. Why are you touching someone in the first place?!

[@flynneveringham5076]

He’s using it as an example, stop nit picking

[@pagehaunter]

@@flynneveringham5076 that's the point. It shouldn't be an example. Don't touch people without their permission.

[@TheSucram729]

I went on trains when I visited Japan and it’s so crowded that it’s basically impossible to not touch someone

[@vidit3762]

@@pagehaunter then we should not talk about rapes too, because rapes are morbid?

[@OCaptainMercaptan]

@@pagehaunter I think it was meant more like lightly pushing by someone in a crowded place, not in a sexual sense. If he meant it as sexual then it's 1. a shitty example and/or 2. coming from a scummy guy.

[@MrCal2648]

There is a difference between "believe all victims" and taking allegations seriously and investigating them.

[@Jaxdaily1]

CaptainHappen fax

[@sorrym8421]

Innocent till proven guilty, one of the ideals the founding fathers were quite adamant on.

[@kingsfan4life2]

Exactly! I totally don't agree with the believe all women. That's a ridiculous statement. You don't have to believe or not believe. It's called with holding judgment and trying to find the truth. However, it is important to put yourself in their shoes and treat it with sensitivity.

[@Mystravian]

@@sorrym8421 legally, they were adamant about the GOVERNMENT not being able to assume you were guiltym

[@RyoMassaki]

@Nicolaus Volentius Who says rape doesn't happen? Are you talking about feminist that say man can't be an victim of sexual assault or rape? Because that's the ONLY group that denies the existence of rape.

[@giovannigiorgio831]

If someone is, without a doubt, a sexual assaulter or a rapist, they should 100% be punished. However, if someone makes a false allegation, they should be punished as well.

[@ticolino3301]

Facts. And I despise the fact that false accusations have ruined victims wanting to come forward and people believing them. Everyone is afraid to tell what happened to them nowadays and it's so fucked up.

[@sagalindhe]

There are people that has been going to jail for lying about it. BUT, if the possible rapist can´t be proven guilty because of "fault" of evidence. The possible victim can´t be put in jail because of not enough evidence.

[@hyperiongaming2132]

@@sagalindhe a guy in England got sentenced to jail for touching a woman's shoulder and his hands were on his bag in the video yet he had to pay for it

[@fireblossom9618]

@@hyperiongaming2132 Source?

[@hyperiongaming2132]

@@fireblossom9618 the news? What source do you use? 👀

[@76molo]

My father was falsely accused of rape and non consensual contact. The system went off of hearsay with absolutely no evidence or investigation. The woman he was with then came out and said she did give him consent and she manufactured a false story and was just upset with him. My father just got out of prison, this happened 6 years ago. He lost his job, our house, the ability to see my brothers. During that time, my grades dropped in school, I was in a deep depression and it made me lose my trust in the justice system as a whole. The fact my entire family was destroyed because "Always believe the victim" boggles my mind. I cannot believe this gender biased backward system. It ruined my fathers life, it ruined all of us..

[@pebbles92able]

Sorry what your dad went through but if "everyone always believed the 'victim'" then more rapists would be in prison right now, which is far from the case.

[@edithputhy4948]

r/thathappened

[@76molo]

@@edithputhy4948 r/yourmom

[@ihavegamerleg]

please dont let your situation make you not listen to victims. false accusers take away actual victims voices and is the reason some SA victims dont speak out.

[@76molo]

@soup I understand that completely. Being a victim myself, I'm in no way attempting to undermine or downplay anyone speaking out. It's the lack examination and perception of a case is what bothers me. Even the idea of people actively exploiting that flaw, then putting real victims and innocent people at risk boils my blood. A reckless and hypocritical judicial system that has failed me and my family on multiple accounts is a travesty. A life destroyer.

[@selfridgesforever4399]

This just shows that people need to learn what consent is from a young age!

[@AngelicaMorais]

YES

[@jadesmith7983]

THIS!!!💯

[@Misaka-gt5yj]

Armaan Premjee False accusations ruined his life.

[@AJohnsonJr]

This just shows that people shouldn't falsely accuse anyone of sexual harassment or sexual assault. We need to teach people NOT to falsely accuse someone of something. It goes both ways.

[@CrankyBarista]

@@AJohnsonJr that is what the original poster is saying. Teaching consent can work for both ways.

[@iinarrab19]

"false accusations happen" "that is not true" Johnny Depp: *shocked pikachu face*

[@ebongjr793]

Neymar JR: also shocked pikachu face

[@dantaylor7344]

And Jimmy Tarbuck, and Cliff Richard, and all the others too

[@avag8242]

James-Andrew Sarmiento yeah that’s such a bad response. I remember during the Jessie Smolliet thing getting into fights with people who now claim “hate crimes never really happen”. That is such a crazy blanket statement. People do evil things. If you believe someone is capable of rape or violence you should also be open to the idea that someone can lie.

[@SirProcsAlot]

@John Smith did anyone else notice how the anti people are citing facts and studies, and the pro women and just talking about feelings?

[@Below-Zero.]

Yes.

[@Chuck.Mast3r]

Cardi B drugged men while she was stripping. Had that been a man, he'd be cancelled.

[@jesstinabolton2270]

This fact needs to be known more. It's really sad that some women actually look up to her. So problematic.

[@endurovro]

Amy Schumer did the same thing.

[@anon2143]

This claim only served to promote her movie Hustlers and was a false claim.

[@ara3lego]

@@endurovro Really?

[@endurovro]

Anon No, this is from the fact that in a speech she gave at the Ms. Foundation for Women’s Gloria Awards and Gala she said that she once had sex with an intoxicated man, who was so drunk he blacked in out of consciousness and was unable to give consent, because she was frustrated with how little attention men gave her in college. She said that moment gave her a feeling of “Self-Worth” and she even sex shamed her victim in that same speech. According to the rules of her university at the time, this would be defined as Sexual Harassment and she could have faced expulsion or worse. This could also be illegal under Maryland State law, however it is oddly specific stating that having sex with an intoxicated person is only counts as rape as long as vaginal penetration takes place in which the person taking advantage of the situation would be charged with it. From what she said, she could be charged with sexual assault but it was vague so it would be hard to bring to court. If she were a man doing this to a woman, she would absolutely face rape charges but since she’s a woman, people don’t care. People even thought that part of the story was empowering and funny even though they would never say that if she were man.

[@bellamia8867]

The biggest thing in this that upset me was the guy saying “why are we sending our daughters to school when there’s a 1 in 5 chance that they will be sexually harassed/assaulted?” when the real question is why are our sons being sent to school with the belief that these behaviours are acceptable”

[@lexiemikaelson1984]

EXACTLY THANK YOU

[@smet9922]

how many parents do you think believe that their son has raped or is capable of raping somebody?

[@bellamia8867]

@@smet9922 regardless it shouldn’t be “protect girls from the problem” it should be “let’s deal with the problem”. Ignorance may be bliss but it’s not an excuse.

[@bruhbutwhytho2301]

He was showing why those figures have been debunked.

[@bellamia8867]

@@bruhbutwhytho2301 I know this is anecdotal but I’m 4’8, overweight, shy and very much a homebody and in no way considered conventionally attractive. I grew up in a “safe” neighbourhood yet I’ve had 2 attempted abductions in my teens (one walking the less than 10 minutes in broad daylight to a friends and the other walking with a friend to school) I’ve also been a victim of domestic violence that included sexual assault as a young adult and numerous sexual harassment (cat calling, sleazy advances that don’t take no for an answer etc) so if all that happens to someone like me what the hell is happening to more outgoing (more likely to attend parties and social events) and conventionally attractive young women. Men certainly experience sexual assault but the fact is women experience it at a much higher rate.

[@waynerembert3116]

"That doesn't happen." Emmitt Till, Scottsboro Boys, Central Park 5, Duke Lacrosse, Aziz Ansari, Seneca Valley high school, Amber Heard and Johnny Depp scandal, Jemma Beale, Big Brother UK, Mattress Girl, BIG BROTHER UK false assault......

[@Jorgehernandez-pt4hy]

False rape allegations do happen, but false sexual harassment allegations happen even more.

[@joellebouwman5566]

Telling a man they're experience "doesn't happen" is exactly the type of invalidation of experience that started this movement.

[@WHADDDD]

Exactly, the cognitive dissonance in some of these people is baffling. It can only happen to me it can’t happen to you.

[@martas0108]

Well i dont think what she said was right but she did say ”that doesn’t happen so often” not ”that doesn’t happen”

[@ethanstump]

@@martas0108if I said "murder of children statistically doesn't happen often." would that not be instantly vilified? just because a certain crime happens less often than another crime doesn't make it less serious, less tragic, and it's absolutely ironic and hypocritical that those asking to look at power dynamics, and relationship dynamics, and to seek justice after an injustice happened, ARE the very same ones who deny that in the pursuit of justice, injustice can happen. that when they say, sure, there are evil men doing evil things, but let us make sure that we don't take out good men, and then they say that doesn't happen, you're either intellectually dishonest, or you don't know your side as well as you think you do. that's why there is due process. plus she said that after she knew that she messed up, and that's not entirely true either. plus it entirely misses her point of that just as she makes the point of standing up against those who say "that doesn't happen" she SAYS "that doesn't happen."

[@perfumaphilia3246]

Of course it happens and it's dispicable. The problem is, it doesn't happen nearly as often as some people would like to make it seem, and is often used as a way to discredit women who report sexual assault and rape.

[@joellebouwman5566]

@@perfumaphilia3246 I agree. I just don't think that makes it right to invalidate someone's experience.

[@coleygyaluv]

It is so important to remember men. My husband was raped by a woman. And he never felt comfortable going to the police because he is a man. It is so true that it can ruin positive touch. He has healed a lot through the years. But sometimes when we were intimate, he had flashbacks and we had to stop. It truly broke my heart cause I never wanted him to feel like I was using him. But through a lot of therapy he has recovered a lot.

[@dianeaishamonday9125]

I'm glad you are a good partner to him. So many men become fearful of women after such a harrowing experience

[@coleygyaluv]

@@dianeaishamonday9125 thank you so much. I do my best to be respectful to him. And if he doesn't feel like having sex I never pressure him into it. He loves me dearly because I respect him. And I love him so much. ❤️

[@XTJR]

How???

[@vikimoananu4705]

I will say that I completely sympathize with you but the fact is that what your partner went through is one of the rarest forms of sexual assault. Most male sexual assault victims are victim by men. Especially as a child. So it's important we understand that the stigma should be around the assaulters not the victims. And that the assaulters are almost exclusively men. Just a comment and again sorry for your husband.

[@greentea4374]

XT JR It’s not that hard to comprehend.

[@jasonzeleya]

I was appalled when she said “that doesn’t happen”. Last year I was falsely accused out of spite, and my entire life changed as a result. Financially Im better and in a better place mentally, but I have this overbearing anxiety that hangs over me every night.

[@SkiRacingOz]

Sorry that happened to you

[@Nayababy804]

She added to the end “not that often” I think that was the key a lot of ppl missed and wasn’t highlighted

[@healore7892]

Another huge problem with false accusations is that means it spends less time on the people who actually are a victim

[@edgewoodaldridge]

Did she just say that a “False Accusation” is just an incomplete investigation?

[@bostinobaddog2040]

@Actual MGTOW this should be the new official definition of feminist

[@gregcarlson8438]

Brandon Moore yeah. She is just thinking politically.

[@lipsohlips97]

Yes because that exists. If a woman coming out 20 years later that she was raped but doesn't have much evidence because it happened a long time ago. So men can be acquitted because lack of evidence but she did acknowledge that some are truly false accusations.

[@Haegemon]

Yes, during the times of the Inquisition villagers used to throw a handcuffed suspect of sorcery to the river, if the witch didn't drown then was a signal she was innocent. However, the witch always ended up drowning.

[@franciszekdo]

so very often accusations that do not lead to prosecutions are referred to as false accusations. the same person, one moment later did acknowledge that false allegations happen but that the prevalence is inflated.

[@claireann2415]

the fact that she had the nerve to say "that does not happen" can we just bring up the johnny depp situation for a second. let's not invalidate victims for our own gain. i don't care what gender they are.

[@lotuscoma4127]

idk what she was on does she think that females aren't capable of lying and destroying lives for their own gain?

[@user-hq2nw9qq2v]

Claire Ann he literally still gets to be in movies, he was the face of a brand during his accusations. A lot of people stood by him and I think now that we see more evidence of what happened between them it’s allowed us to have an introspective conversation on power balances in relationships. There are many dynamics that we should know about

[@auraliecherise]

Claire Ann yes, yes, and yes

[@auraliecherise]

J8599 yes, but a lot of people boycotted The Crimes of Grindelwald because they were angry at J. K. Rowling.

[@napoleon9970]

J8599 he literally lost his role as jack sparrow because of these false allegations...

[@ktaheri2329]

"that does not happen." Just take a look at Johnny Depp vs Amber Heard trial

[@Krotas_DeityofConflicts]

Look at Johnny Depp. He was falsely accused, look how how much it ruined his career

[@bobbyboo22_]

Agreed poor johnny lost the harry potter role is main one i know

[@tonyonaperky2128]

How much did the MeToo movement help him?

[@opwl5343]

Maybe when everyone is standing in the back, they should be blindfolded, and when the question is asked they can raise their hands if they agree. Then everyone takes off their blindfolds and the people who raised their hands come to the chairs. I just think it would be nice to try to eliminate some of the peer pressure

[@layla1666]

Agreed

[@myboybieberrox]

Totally agree. I hope they see this comment, I'd love to see an episode where they tried this method!

[@maybehere_]

Definitely, you can tell when a person goes to the chairs since everyone else is doing it in nearly every episode.

[@skinsey85]

Yes, that's a great idea! It seems like some people are influenced by others around them whether they do or don't raise their hand.

[@avolovo]

Great idea. And if putting on And taking off blindfolds per question is annoying, then maybe having “cubicles” (sorry I don’t know what to call them) for people to stand and not see each other can help make the responses less biased.

[@shapescolours8105]

They guy who said “it’s not about women it’s about power” was so right. It’s about power. Women hurt men too. It’s over looked and not reported because the sexual assault of men is played as a joke.

[@beganfish]

@CookieDough Dude what? Why are you trying to turn this into a "who is the bigger victim" game?

[@eliwhitney7038]

When I got abused, it was treated far less seriously because I am a male, even though I was under the age of 10; and nothing was done.

[@shellymese]

Cori Ambler That’s what I was thinking! Most rape isn’t because of the outfits someone is wearing, or how they’re acting or even pleasure, it’s about power. I’m not saying that those aren’t reasons people do get raped for, but a big majority is all about power.

[@justtalkin2558]

@@eliwhitney7038 sorry to hear that

[@MexicanRaccoon]

Terry Crews out right said that he was sexually assaulted by a Hollywood executive out right in the public eye so a man can in fact can be sexually assaulted by a female

[@hashirjamal4835]

A great example is the Johnny Depp vs Amber Heard case, people just took what Amber Heard said to face value without any proof, because of that it almost destroyed Johnny Depp's career when in fact Amber Heard was the person abusing Johnny Depp

[@bbertling426]

@lemonssssssss4 hahaha

[@CarlaVisentin]

I’m glad there’s justice for him now.

[@moneybadger2544]

This aged like a fine wine

[@ihavegamerleg]

amber was most definitely the abuser, but johnnys career was ruined because he ruined it. he would come to set drunk.

[@katinkaaa2951]

@@ihavegamerleg that was a lie spread by amber and is in fact not true. johnny always took his roles very seriously. he lost his roles because he got canceled and productions no longer wanted to associate with him.

[@spanishinquisition4616]

As heated as this conversation was, I love how at the end they were all able to come together and share extremely sad, relatable stories and sort of bond in that sense. It was very moving.

[@myaruth6010]

False accusations ruin lives. Her saying “it does not happen” was extremely disrespectful. I have extremely personal experience with this exact situation and it has truly ruined our lives.

[@sophiatroanska1432]

It happens at the high school level too. One of my best guy friends was bullied for his entire Junior year due to false allegations. He had to go to court for months and it affected his learning. Additionally, in my school a boy got expelled. Again, on a lie.

[@daotainvasion]

@@sophiatroanska1432 thats problem even the women in glasses sayin i fear false accusation cuz the police couldn't find evidence ... how about false accusation cuz of lies like thats problem with the me too mvmnt they are blinded with rage they just want to make ppl guilty and every women is a victim which is not its innocent till proven guilty not guilty till proven innocent ..

[@TheJinashura]

Amber Heard got johnny Depp fired and ruined his life with false accusations. She even taunted him over it as revealed in recordings. That's some powerful female privilege.

[@jonathansmith4725]

It has happened to me also but you need so much proof to prove your innocent

[@notforgotten3685]

Female privilege man

[@samknight4078]

“That doesn’t happen” Emmit Till and The Central Park Five have entered the chat.

[@jacencko011]

Sam Knight hold up, the victim in the Central Park Five didn’t accuse the 5 boys of raping and nearly killing her; that was the police 🙄 it’s not really a good comparison.

[@AQUAPHREESH193]

@@jacencko011 regardless of that, nobody is gonna believe a black man over a white women period point blank the fuckin end unless there is a shitload of evidence to save the black man.

[@obama7325]

AQUAPHREESH193 you must live in the South if you think that were i live it could be possible that the whole jury could happen to be all black

[@Justin-vt7tt]

brain banks, duke lacrose team etc

[@garretlang5524]

Scottsboro boys have entered the chat

[@faperez8392]

They talk about how men no longer “feel comfortable” around a female business partner and yet they don’t mention how women are condition to live with fear and be cautious 24/7; also I agree that we should believe victims regardless of their gender, the problem comes when the abuser portrays themselves as victims

[@laurac2081]

This ^^^^ yes!! I was thinking the same thing. It’s time that men also feel the pressure to watch their backs like women do constantly. As a woman we can’t go anywhere now without feeling the need for protection and I think if we were ALL a little more on edge on how situations can go south so quickly then we would all be safer (men and women). I have personally received unwanted touches and advances at 2/4 jobs I’ve worked at from both men and women, both of which were my managers.

[@mrpie1730]

@@laurac2081 men also watch their backs constantly? What makes you think they don't experience that?

[@laurac2081]

@@mrpie1730 not as much as women that’s for sure.

[@draug7966]

Fair point, but i feel like if a woman feels threatened by my sheer precence despite i'm not actually doing anything to threaten her, then what can i do about that? I mean it's understandable given that far too many guys behave like assholes, but i don't think either women nor men should have to feel like they must walk on eggshells around each other.

[@faperez8392]

@@laurac2081 I'm sorry you had to experience that. In an ideal world no one should feel on edge but yeah like I don't think men are gonna change their ways so easily so I see your point

[@amandamcbean3370]

"Would you ever send your daughter to college knowing there's a 1 in 5 chance they'll be raped? Why are young girls being sent to college with those statistics" So a woman's fear of being sexually harassed/assaulted/ raped should prevent a higher education for her own safety then instead of holding those commiting the 1 in 5 accountable? 😐 I --

[@Idk-do5hr]

What he means by that is the less than one percent who do commit rape are held accountable men are being sent to jail without any proof at all and the lives of the men who are accused get ruined but telling a rapist to not rape will never work they’ve already decided to break the law so unfortunately it falls on the victim to take protective measures it’s sad but true that’s why some people carry guns on them or in their house telling criminals not to do a crime won’t work if their sick enough to go through with it

[@irenelopez3829]

@@Idk-do5hr womens lives get ruined. There are so many people that dont report anything due to this kind of thinking.

[@irenelopez3829]

@@Idk-do5hr reports happen and nothing happens after. Check everything. "sad but true" .... thats the point. Thousands MILLIONS of women cant speak or will not sue to this. DISGUSTING.

[@roejogan2693]

I don't think they're likely to be assaulted in college. It's probably during the things college students like to do (e.g. partying, drinking...)

[@MelbaToast7117]

@@roejogan2693 how about telling people not to rape?

[@AbiThomassings]

As a person in the MeToo movement, it makes me so freaking angry when someone falsely accuses someone. It makes us REAL survivors look bad.

[@AbiThomassings]

Angry Egalitarian I will always support it for my personal reasons. That doesn’t mean I have to agree with the people that only wish to do harm unto others.

[@AbiThomassings]

Angry Egalitarian If we were to focus on only negative aspects of things then our world would already be more sick than it is.

[@TopFlightSecurity415]

that my point...they need to start punishing women HARD who lie about these things , its hurts both men and women

[@Vtuberfan69]

Sorry for what happened to you

[@monalisasweetheart7369]

I agree!!! They're ruining a good thing and they probably don't even care!! They are getting money or fame and that's all that matters until they really do get raped!! It's like the Boy Who Cried Wolf!! Soon, it will just annoy people and no one will believe anybody!! They really need to stop!! I too have been raped in childhood and adulthood!! I know how it feels not to be believed but I think some of them are liars!! It sickens my heart to no end!!! Very Sorry you were raped!!! Never forget your worth!! It's more than other's believing and validating!! As long as you remember and keep it inside your mind and heart, then they didn't get away with it completely even when the abuser denies it, doesn't mean that it Didn't Happen!!! I believe you, Beautiful!! Always keep hope alive!!! 💗💗💗🇺🇲✨😘

[@texaspoontappa2088]

I think when talking about false accusations they missed the fact that false accusations make it even more difficult to believe and prove true accusations.

[@AA-lz4wq]

This is why the mee too movement is focused on displaying all accusations as true...

[@uchegodslove585]

@Turbo Turlet Feminism is literally "the advancement of women's rights based on equality of genders". It actually doesn't care for men's rights, it was never meant to.

[@daphnemax9214]

@@uchegodslove585 Yeah that's the problem, when a women stands up for herself and help other women, men automaticly think they're considered as anti-male.

[@daphnemax9214]

Which causes a big misconception. Anyone can be feminist and support men too. Just don't blindly follow the stereotypes when people brings it up.

[@DwolfFW]

False accusations don't make true accusations harder to prove. Evidence is evidence. You shouldn't believe anything is true without evidence. What you wrote makes no sense. That's like saying if someone lies about being punched in the face then that makes other victims of punches harder to prove they were punched. It doesn't follow. I think the most skipped over aspect in the false accusation problem are the falsely accused who don't get nearly enough coverage of their pain.

[@lilli8211]

I’m pro me too BUT false accusations definitely happen!!! I wish the me too side was more open to that because them becoming defensive/simply denying that possibility made all their other arguments seem weak :(( Maybe repeat episode with other speakers..

[@mooncake6308]

They account for 5 to 10 percent if I’m correct. That still doesn’t invalidate the false accusations though

[@KayderimGameplays]

@@mooncake6308 Those are the ones proven false, but the rest aren't exactly proven true either, so it can be way more than that

[@tonyonaperky2128]

@@mooncake6308 Did you take account the millions of men who are still in their wrongly?

[@mooncake6308]

@@tonyonaperky2128 yeah they account for 2 percent, did you take into account the amount of actual assailants that are roaming free?

[@roejogan2693]

That's the problem with a movement that gives one category of the population power which can easily be abused. It can and should never work.

[@karenflowers8679]

The part about false accusations..... if you think it doesn't happen..... can I smoke what your smoking.

[@introvert211]

Changing your mind AFTER you have consensual sex does not mean you were raped. It means you regret having sex.

[@shearoberson2852]

I’ve never heard anyone say that. I’ve heard people say you can withdraw consent DURING sex like if you want to stop. But I’ve never heard that if you regret it then it’s rape.

[@pigeonhofmann3756]

Shea Roberson I agree

[@rrhodes4564]

cartohead no one has ever said that but go off i guess

[@amirabx]

cartohead oh the leader of feminism said that! Smh do you people even hear yourselves?? You can’t withdrawn consent . The feminists you are talking about are RADICAL feminists

[@mavibaso]

@@amirabx Don't even bother, I already argued with this guy on another video, he's literally just a ben shapiro wannabe lmao

[@butt_torpedoes]

People who are falsely accusing others of sexual assault needs to be jailed. But let's not silence people who has been raped.

[@falkyraizu3063]

eww a femenist Nobody is silencing the women, the men are the ones being silenced

[@krithiramnath1284]

Falkyraizu what’s wrong with being a feminist barely any charges go against rapists 95% of rapists are walking free feminism is needed in these times

[@amochikaay]

Falkyraizu, EVERYONE IS BEING SILENCED. HUMANKIND SUCKS.

[@falkyraizu3063]

@@krithiramnath1284 That's not even true LMAO; 98% of them are thrown in prision; On the other hand, literally every man accused of rape without any evidence go to prision as well;

[@rayaanne1719]

@@falkyraizu3063 can you please specify wdym by 98%??? like 98% of men accused of rape?? or???

[@prettygirlcici16]

I really wish they would post longer videos with these conversations

[@wickedviscus2139]

False accusations absolutely do happen. One of my fathers rules is that he never allows anybody, women or men, step fully into his office. They must ask whatever they need while still outside of his office door

[@David-ic3pw]

Smart

[@pebbles92able]

And I'm sure many women don't feel comfortable being in a room with men anyway.

[@wickedviscus2139]

@@pebbles92able I guess?

[@pebbles92able]

@@wickedviscus2139 no it is a fact ..

[@wickedviscus2139]

@@pebbles92able I’m not saying you’re wrong, it’s just something random to comment out of nowhere lol. But yeah, it’s best if both aren’t in the same room either way. You never know if one person is a rapist or if the other is a false accuser

[@icedoatmilklatte910]

“Men get their lives ruined over false accusations.” “That does not happen.” *Johnny Depp and Brian Banks have entered the chat*

[@cyberneticbuck2755]

U are so right

[@AceNavigates]

Johnny Depps life is not ruined wtf?

[@leonidas0242]

@@AceNavigates not completely but his reputation took a huge hit

[@Mystravian]

johnny depp still has a hella successful career, dont use it for your argument.

[@Mystravian]

@@leonidas0242 in a super abstract way? Sure, but generally? Not really, he was never absolutely reviled, the case was always viewed as shady and he always got good work

[@whitneytan2330]

I really appreciate that casting was careful to not just get girls for pro and guys for anti...otherwise this conversation would have probably overplayed the gender card.

[@supernoodles908]

Which is disappointing

[@laurennn316]

I think they’re really good at that in almost all of their episodes I really like that they try and eliminate the obvious defenses and stereotypes

[@enosb.998]

I mean ones a transgender so... two boys one girl

[@DerekKildall]

i agree, this might be some of my favorite casting so far

[@strwberryjim6403]

@@enosb.998 get your eyes checked 😊

[@emilyh8687]

Terry cruise was a big supporter of me too and spoke out about his own experience so I don’t think it’s just men vs women, I think men have just as much of a right to speak out about their abuse.

[@lukeevans729]

Thank you for this. This was a powerful one and a truly respectful dialogue with people, who, in the end, were not that far apart in what they believed.

[@chaitanxyadongare]

“It does not happen” is so ignorant.

[@biggentallen]

The me too movement is ignorant

[@RyoMassaki]

It's not ignorance, it's malice. They know, they just willfully ignore it.

[@lindai6988]

To focus on the minority of false accusers rather than the actual justice for rape victims is ignorant

[@its_zack6726]

@@lindai6988 Oh yeah, no big deal, not like a false accusation ruins a life or anything. But It's okay though because they don't occur as often?

[@monica-fd2qy]

it’s extremely rare. she literally says 5 seconds later that it happens sometimes, but only rarely.

[@nesiahcoward3864]

I think saying pro and anti me too movement is wrong, because none seem to be against the movement, just instead against how far it has gone

[@kaiagoose2808]

Late comment but this is so amazingly accurate I am stuned.

[@nesiahcoward3864]

@J C yes and the movement shouldn't be a witch hunt, it was never meant to go that far.

[@n00bKen]

This sort of thing happens to (I believe) every movement ever. Feminism, BLM and even Climate Change movements all started out with pure good intentions, but many start to commit criminal acts and do so under the name of these movements. One good example is how BLM rioters (I called them so because they were not peaceful) and even looters were damaging property and even loot unprotected shops while the protests were ongoing. Like in CNN headquarters, rioters broke their property and at one point even threw hazardous items (some even blowing up like a firework) at police who were stopping them from entering the building. I know these movements had genuine intentions to call for change for the benefit of society, but there are those who commit crime under their names and thus ruin their reputation.

[@marvinmartinsYT]

Wrong. I’m against it. It’s a twisted mess of hate, anger and misplaced emotion. Filled with vile people. Stealing money from people. Nup. Fark that movement.

[@maleahj308]

@@n00bKen who are you really angry with 😂 your only talking about BLM not femenism or climate change

[@osavor579]

Homie really comes full circle at the end. Love to see it

[@tasha3757]

17:27 ironically, the MeToo movement was actually intended to be to raise sexual assault issues predominantly against women of colour...

[@TheAprone]

They end with the usual sorts of comments "We seem to agree on more than we realize"... but this was the most divided video I've seen in this series. They were nearly completely split on each question asked.

[@reinaldomartinez13]

Yuup and then it leaves the viewer who doesn't know what to think confused and unsure

[@raffaerer]

It leaves u to form ur opinion, which is much better than being told than this is right or wrong as most are more nuanced than we would like to admit

[@mooselove]

I’d say the scientists vs flatearthers was the most divided

[@suqmaddiqq]

There are some topics where 'middle ground' boils down to a literal opinion and supporters of that opinion. But above all, respect and communication. MeToo is a very personal, sensitive and complex topic that really challenges who we are as a species, what we're capable of, and what we can do. Getting agreements just like that seems so farfetched. There was respect in this video and I think that's great middle ground itself. At least they tried. We don't have to stop trying.

[@user-nv9vn8fm1d]

I think it's because the groups were overtly based on opinions this time rather than identities. Sometimes a group based on identity like gay people, laywers, artists will have different opinions than each other but how can groups based on shared opinion have different opinions than each other? The only place where they can come together in episodes like these are shared experience.

[@michaelscott2990]

As a pro me too I am disgusted by false allegations, also because it takes away the voice of real victims.

[@theaawalker]

Preach, Michael Scott.

[@interviewer3597]

yes preach Michael scott

[@bostonpeterson3800]

Thank you Michael Scarn

[@riedenstien9799]

Yes

[@theshore2667]

For real same

[@ian3087]

There was a case in our country where an old man in a public bus experienced dizziness (high blood pressure) then accidentaly fell in to a standing woman. The woman accused the old man of sexual abuse, causing other passengers to physically assault the old man. The old man got fatal injuries and spend months in hospital. But for god sake, the old man got the justice he needed after the case was fairly investigated.

[@nardhippel9353]

Thanks for providing sources. When I noticed you guys through Cody I thought you were just using topics with a lot of tension to generate clicks. But I realized that you provide a pretty objective perspective on important topics. Like here and a lot of other videos like The Button etc.

[@kendrickjenkins96]

She was conflicting a “false accusation” with an acquittal due to lack of evidence.

[@alvallac2171]

*conflating (different meaning and pronunciation)

[@zacharyhunt3939]

What's the difference in the courts eyes? You only know if they confess lol

[@bdonovable]

Yea. That was a factual error that bothered me that no one pushed back on. There are instances of evidence being found that verifies an accusation of being false. False accusations are not simply accusations with insufficient evidence.

[@DysnomiaFilms]

@@bdonovable The statistics on provably false allegations is very close to that of provably true allegations. The vast majority are unable to be proved either way and are not counted in false allegation statistics. Though some wilfully misleading graphics out there equate them with guilty people that went free (when there is no way of confirming guilt or innocence)

[@mikeock3164]

"OR 😳"

[@am-gg9vs]

I feel like this topic is so nuanced, you can't really go say all the way on one side. But the thing we can all agree is if someone is sexually assaulting someone they should be brought to justice regardless of gender and class.

[@frankalmanzar3492]

It is nuanced but as a guy, I’m pro me-too because women can now speak up more easily with sex and men can be more verbally consensual.

[@kayrulz9337]

Social media should not be the judge, jury and executioner. However, Justice system should be changed.

[@pabloescobar4094]

Ayan m women can’t assault or rape men, unless a weapon is used.

[@Rhinopotamus]

The difference is both sides want that, but only one side actually wants to protect the innocent.

[@nat-oi2fh]

Inebriatd women don’t speak up because history has shown that the legal system is not always in a victim’s favor. women have always been harassed, the me too movement didn’t suddenly cause an increase that makes zero sense. it only seems that way because women and victims in general are no longer silent

[@ressesdave2250]

I'm pro me too but saying something doesn't happen when let's be real it does is extremely dismissive and dangerous. Just like there are bad people who rape they are bad people who would lie about it.

[@GenXfrom75]

I've been sharing my story of grooming and rape for years. I didn't need Me Too to feel validated. Growing up where I did, it was thought that many girls and even boys experienced abuse at some point. The culture one is raised in can play a HUGE part in how they feel internally about their trauma. Getting out of that as I grew up helped me understand that it's NOT okay and it should NEVER be accepted ... So I'm glad we are addressing this, I think there are better ways of doing so, without the feeling that all men are bad, that it's them (men) vs us (women). I'm trying to raise four sons with my husband of 17 years. I am raising gentlemen in a very hostile world.

[@alexa982]

This ended up being one of the most divided video on this series but yet with one of the calmest endings. Respect!

[@Aaron-kj8dv]

I think the pro side didn't help their case except for the bigger guy. There was a lot of changing topics and obfuscation.

[@mollyolotov]

yea they ended with a good question!

[@heathengremlin992]

Aaron a lot of us feel the same way about the anti side. Using small, rare circumstances to ignore the big picture and dismiss sexual assault in both women and men

[@angelanguyen3372]

Even from personal experience. Sharing experiences can bring people together despite their differences. I think they know that they all want to help the world to be a better place, they just have a different opinion on how.

[@flossyess5126]

“That does not happen”. SIS YES TF IT DOES.

[@treroney4720]

FlossyEss Central Park five, Brian McKnight, Emmitt till, Cuba Jr and the list goes on and on

[@flossyess5126]

Tre' Roney I am talking about when the black girl said “that does not happen”. It’s literally the first clip😂

[@treroney4720]

FlossyEss I was adding to what you were saying

[@jeffbridges5312]

Lol All her gender even _does_ is lie

[@flossyess5126]

Tre' Roney Lol same page same page.

[@VincentNoot]

I know people in my own circles who got accused of rape. The accusers typically had borderline disorder or held a grudge over something like else. Lies, lies, lies… and no consequences for the liar. At the same time, I don’t want anyone to be afraid to come forward if something did happen. Rape is terrible. If only it was easier to figure out who’s lying and who’s actually guilty.

[@scrimbo5319]

How did you know the accusations were false?

[@ydbn272_92]

This is such a nuanced and for the lack of a better term Middle Ground type of topic. I think it’s extremely useless to just have people get into an Anti side and a Pro side and debate each other. Except for a few exceptions (obviously), Anti people don’t think sexual assault is not a problem and Pro people don’t think the movement is flawless (They’re all basically somewhere in the middle). The conversation needs to be about how to improve the flaws in the movement. The separating into 2 sides is just taking the attention away from what really needs to be done, and putting a lot of people off what could be a really productive movement for humanity.

[@amandaheuskin5737]

Blaire said it the best "comparing rape to leering is insulting" people that have been raped cannot be compared to a person who was looked at in a certain way

[@deangreen2567]

Amanda Heuskin Agreed 100%. The two should never be compared. It’s thoroughly demeaning to rape victims. One is a seriously heinous crime, the other is morally reprehensible behaviour, bordering on harassment if it gets far enough.

[@edwardfala7723]

This used to be common sense.

[@amandaheuskin5737]

Dean Green yes! Agreed the two are very different

[@amandaheuskin5737]

Edward Fala yea common sense seems to have gone out the window for a lot of people lol

[@buffalomind6838]

She tried to rape our common sense with that one of several lines thrown out by the me too movement panel. Smh

[@SilentButDudley]

False accusations DO happen. A friend of mine was accused of Rape and thrown out of school, when later multiple text conversations proved it was completely consensual before and after. Still was never allowed back in college, life ruined.

[@batmanlikespizza2541]

Just like rapists, people who make false accusations need to be held accountable because they’re all abusers.

[@batmanlikespizza2541]

Shaun Sharted I agree

[@avag8242]

DudleyIsDumb I thought it was interesting that the the anti me too people aren’t saying women haven’t been abused or rapes don’t happen. Just that some accusations might not be as credible.

[@symbolic1884]

It’s ok Bubbs🤓

[@firetrio2103]

DudleyIsDumb for all she knew your friend could have changed the world, but he might not now

[@kelseydaniels7797]

Johnny Depp. His case literally is the reason why the me too movement is so dangerous. Women like Amber heard are out there. Narcissistic people exist. As a boy mom I’m terrified for my kids. I pray that they don’t run into a woman like Amber Turd.

[@Jasmijn1]

Please don’t act like Johnny was innocent

[@kelseydaniels7797]

@@Jasmijn1 he is. He didn’t physically abuse Amber. Please don’t act like she was a victim.

[@celinemara565]

The victim was a woman and people made sure she would be accused while: “only about 6% of rapists ever serve a day in jail” This is the difference between when a woman is offending or offended… men like chris brown have severely abused women remember when he abused rihanna? Never got the attention amber received and if anything his career is ok and he is still allowed a platform.

[@kelseydaniels7797]

@@celinemara565 wasn’t talking about Chris brown and in no way is Amber a victim. The evidence says otherwise

[@celinemara565]

@@kelseydaniels7797 i am talking about chris brown… and you completely missed my point I am saying chris brown is an abuser the same way amber is… somehow she is held accountable as a woman but abusive men like chris get away with abuse and still have their careers and platforms that’s my point… men getting away with crimes and have no consequences whatsoever.

[@EvilLeprechuan]

Woman wearing the glasses was on the verge of tears the whole time.

[@rober444o]

It's a pretty rough topic that some people really get emotional because of it. i dont blame her but i really thought she was going to cry

[@clementine2024]

Ok.....what's your point

[@nadacolic7775]

Yeah, and?

[@mollys1439]

it’s called being passionate about serious conversations

[@ed1tz468]

@@nadacolic7775 lmao

[@yancke]

"That doesnt happen." *Shocked face*" OK it could happen." *Eyeroll into the back of my skull*

[@fatimasobalvarro6276]

Yancke van Tonder you see this is one of the best comments ever made in this video, you deserve a Grammy 😆

[@abnormalgut4014]

Now change it to "ok it could happen and *did* happen"

[@mrsucc2138]

i gOt tHe mEmE

[@user-rx6gj1gn4l]

what she meant was that it isn't common

[@Sequin228]

I would’ve walked out honestly. The amount of anger I’d have in person I’d have to leave

[@mitchellapple9184]

My little brother was falsely accused of sexual assault by an older women living with his girlfriend. He was arrested, spent a day in jail, and had to stand trial. Jury took less than 15 minutes to rule not guilty on all charges.

[@alexanderthered5603]

What happened to the accuser?

[@Ludavelli]

Red Alexios lol, good one

[@mystiiic7848]

Glad that everything worked out

[@1queijocas]

@@mystiiic7848 no, he was humiliated and had to spend a night in prison while the woman was let off free, this is not working out.

[@drawingtr6300]

Women and men that do this should be seriously punish for doing this.

[@assholable]

10:07 Love that Jubilee put the link right when she said "It does not happen" hahahahah

[@emberjohnson6365]

I was r, ped as a child.. I didn't know what was he was doing. I was 7.. I was ashamed of telling people because I felt like i would get in trouble because I went into the room.. My brain buried it for 11 years for some reason. But then I remembered it and it shook me to my core I never thought it could happen to me BUT IT DID

[@theorangedinosaur4098]

Im sorry that happened to you :(

[@yasmin-lx4kb]

this reminds me of a trend on tiktok rn where people share their sexual assault stories and it has made me realize how many victims are male so please don't invalidate men's experiences or anyone based on their gender this happens to everyone!!

[@Toxic2T]

It happens to us but we take it to the grave.

[@CuldirOfficial]

@@Toxic2T If it happened to me i wouldn't give a fuck because nobody would believe me and i would be ruined because the image of me being a false accuser would stay forever

[@yasmin-lx4kb]

Inkeptis well based on what you said it didn't happen to you so i don't think you can say "i wouldn't give a fuck" it's kind of disrespectful. replying to the rest: that's why i made this comment to tell everyone that it's important to sympathize with all victims.

[@yasmin-lx4kb]

Nicolas T i hope that soon society becomes a place where everyone is able to comfortably share their experience with this (hopefully none) and get justice.

[@nicholesilva8258]

That is correct ❤️

[@RobinFlysHigh]

People absolutely get falsely accused. I'm not saying we should throw the movement out entirely, but to say that doesn't happen is crazy!

[@foolslayer9416]

I think that the Me Too movement had good intentions, but I don't think that putting women over men in value because of the idea that men don't suffer is right.

[@daphnemax9214]

@@foolslayer9416 Do people say that men don't suffer? If that's true it's sad and sexist.

[@krissywilliams1714]

RobinFlysHigh it barely ever happens and y’all love to bring this point up when it’s not as relevant as the actual cases where women are actually assaulted

[@krissywilliams1714]

Fool Slayer who said that men don’t get assaulted

[@FullmoonPhantom-dn2sr]

It does happen, but the problem is when people take this and begin to doubt every person that steps forward because some are false accusations. People forget about all the real cases that happen because they get sidetracked by the rare false accusations. False accusations do happen, but they are rare.

[@lilchief1117]

This is a very difficult topic for me. Two of my bestfriends from high school were in a relationship for the majority of our time there, but ended up having a really messy break up while we were in college. A little while after the fact, the female began speaking on abuse that she faced in the relationship. I've had talks with my male friend who was involved about my conflictions & he seemed understanding & accepting of some wrongdoing, while not to the extent that the female says he's done. It sucks because I don't know who to trust. All I have is their testimonies & my personal experiences with them to judge by. I feel like I've lost two friends, because I worry that I might wanna support my guy friend just because we were bros, but I also want to believe that I could trust his word, as he considers me like a brother. I haven't talked to either of them in some time & I just wish I could have my friends back

[@shakejunt3894]

Any update on the situation ??

[@glydoughnut9432]

“That does not happen” So what did Amber Heard write about in that Op-Ed about Johnny Depp?

[@quietopinion9637]

UK court??

[@noahsawyer7155]

@@quietopinion9637 oh great an amber heard fan

[@saharaasher8959]

People like the girl who said that “doesn’t happen” are the people who ruin what the movement could do by saying things like that

[@Samon187]

The League of Assassin's movement or as you call it "MeeToo" That movement did more than enough, think about how many men this League has already killed? It is insane, and not a single woman was killed 🤯

[@user-en7dx1qp3k]

She also said that looking at someone in an uncomfortable way and rape are the same thing.

[@14DANESSJ]

@j I don't think he said his life was ruined.

[@raynatumbeva780]

@j considering how crazy political correctness in the states is, I won't be surprised if it was.

[@naciremasti]

@@Samon187 it's a goddamn shame.

[@lamp6121]

I'm surprised how no one is talking about Johnny Depp

[@RosieHip24]

This was probably recorded a while before it came out

[@Tmanowns]

@@RosieHip24 I mean, people had been talking about how there was plenty to say Amber was the one who was the abuser, even when she initially accused him, what, one or two years ago? It just wasn't brought up to the public, and it took her literally having a recording of admitting it for people to believe his side.

[@choose_happyxo]

Wait what happened to him)

[@Tmanowns]

@@choose_happyxo Amber unwittingly admitted that it was her abusing Johnny Depp. She hit him with all kinds of household items, even cut off part of his finger, and when he was going to the police, she purposefully hurt herself and said she was the one being abused. Because of how the system is rigged against male victims of abuse, HE was the one who was arrested, lost his movie contracts, etc. She laughed her way to the bank and took his money in the divorce.

[@shaquicedacosta]

Hayley•Williams•Paramore Now, he’s suing her for the divorce settlement to be “erased”. Like, he’s not even going after more, just wants it gone. The transcripts are public now.

[@michaeldouglas9394]

I believe women ❎ I believe men ❎ I believe facts ✅

[@PaulFJarnes]

It was kinda heated, but then everyone shared their experiences and it was like straight out of a movie. My heart goes out to all of them, and I hope they live happy lives regardless of their views

[@neadod2902]

Let's look at Johnny Depp & Amber Heard. All she had was a photo of a bruise, 2 witnesses of aftermath & her word & majority of people instantly believed her. This led to Johnny Depp losing roles, most notably Jack Sparrow, and his reputation being somewhat destroyed. Whereas Amber became the face of MeToo & has been featured in blockbuster film. Yet when Johnny came forward with multiple photos, texts, videos & audio majority of people still didn't believe him. It is only after an audio of Amber admitting to being physical that a lot of people have changed their tune. We all know the fact that is "It is impossible to win an argument against ignorant people"

[@manigje1]

That was an abusive relationship

[@lezel4swarts]

Ochocinco and Evelyn lozada

[@lezel4swarts]

@Rose Jones so what. Some people take out frustrations on objects but never physically abusing people

[@lescobrandon8443]

@Rose Jones Are you a mind reader? Abusive relationships do have two types. Physical and emotional. Physical can be proven with evidence. Emotional is a different beast. I have been the victim of both. Unless you can read minds, you can not say that someone is emotionally abused. There are signs that suggest that they are, but it is very hard to prove. Anyone that has been emotionally abused doesn't want to be in the spotlight. They don't want to be the face of anything. If they do, that puts a huge red flag up saying they are lying. I don't really know the case your talking about, but from what I have read here, I seriously doubt Johnny Depp was guilty of being abusive. Sounds more like both of them was into kinky stuff and once they stopped, she wanted game and used the situation to get it.

[@TerpTheBandit]

@Rose Jones The thing is, you still had one abuser, the physical one - not the emotional one, being praised and held on a pedastal and the other was first shunned and still hasn't been given any kind of positive recognition.

[@HussAA23BBall]

The girl with glasses calling victims of “leering” survivors is pretty insulting to the actual victims of an assault that severely threatened the victims life.

[@darrenhutcheon9323]

I know right they think someone touching their back is equivalent to being raped. it’s ridiculous.

[@BooksToAshes]

@TheShrimpyTomato Sorry this is so off topic but that's Bill Vicar in your avatar photo!!! I LOVE him, I'm learning ASL from him right now (If you dont know who he is I'm going to be embarrassed lol ignore me if you don't get it)

[@darrenhutcheon9323]

WaresTheWolf don’t worry, I know who he his. I love him too

[@zeuxlaught2797]

@Ceylon Blue thats only fair, because rapes dont happens directly, it starts with touch. and strictness will lessen the chances of it. males gets assaulted way less than females , so obviously there will be difference in magnitude of measures.

[@lizz2244]

@@zeuxlaught2797 men are raised to pretend to be way stronger than they actually are. The are given super masculine blueprints that they are expected to follow. Being weak, or admitting that someone hurt them, goes against what so many men are taught. Just because not as many men appear in statistics of sexual assault, doesn't mean they don't exist.

[@SirLouisX]

I gave up watching this video after that girl said: “that does not happen” It is surprising how people like to give voice to ignorants…!

[@ShacklefordR]

It's an issue of abuse of power, and like anything in the world, a movement that can be hijacked and gamed. When Ovi said "there's no such thing", that was truly disturbing...

[@moonkettle]

I have so much disdain for people who used this movement to falsely accuse someone and make it more difficult to believe and prove true accusations.

[@bobdylan5127]

*Cough* Amber Heard

[@chinchillahats4907]

Nicolaus Volentius and who said they didn’t...

[@pizzasteve5825]

Well it is a good thing that they are a tiny minority

[@EddyWriter_]

Nicolaus Volentius Gotta love the assumption that just because people are speaking out about false accusation cases, they suddenly don’t care about those being sexually assaulted and/or raped. Not sure if you know this, but these aren’t exclusive. There’s a possibility that a person could care about and hold disdain for both.

[@lolomgwtfism]

@@EddyWriter_ A huge case was Brian Banks, a star football player coming out of high school who was falsely accused and completely ruined his football career.

[@eaooae7312]

"False accusations don't happen" Melanie Martinez: uhh... Johnny Depp: hm...

[@autumxxleaves4186]

Winky _ literally!!!!!!

[@tobymcinnis7031]

How do you know Johnny Depp was falsely accused? The fact that Amber Heard abused him in no way proves he DIDN'T also abuse her. And there is mounting evidence in the UK trial suggesting that he did. So this whole 'Amber Heard definitely falsely accused' Johnny Depp' meme is doing the exact same thing, just in reverse. If you believe false accusation is a terrible thing, you need to be very careful not to do it yourself.

[@RealNormHall]

@@tobymcinnis7031 Well Amber Heard has previous history of domestic violence, which isn't the most interesting thing about it's the fact that she's a spokesperson for anti-domestic violence but you're a white knight i'm sure there's nothing women can do to put you off, so I wont really bother.

[@ComedyGlor]

Winky _ Walt what’s this about Melanie Martinez

[@IM-rs6br]

Timothy didn’t even file a real police report and ppl were hating on Mel for no reason

[@David_Blaga]

Anyone after jhonny depp's trial

[@toughman2013]

TOTALLY, I want to see the male victims of the me too movement

[@alexandriatrenier7366]

I think the Me Too moment should be supporting victims of SA and people accused of SA. Both groups are victims no matter what gender or age.

[@weeblife8657]

My dad was falsy accussed by my mom that he did something to me. The entire neighborhood to this day will believe her over me the supposed victim. He was terrified of being around my female friends alone for a while. This was back in 2012 even before me too go so big

[@Phoney.Baloney]

Weeb Life that’s so fucked and I hope you’ve gone to higher powers that be, to try and clear him of that death sentence

[@evo683]

hello sunshine lol, thankfully the death sentence is pretty rare for scenarios like that. Still, the punishment could be pretty severe so I hope the OP sorted that all out

[@weeblife8657]

@@evo683 There was no death sentence, but the cops questioned me, my mom, and my sister and I told them it didn't happen of course, which of course would make it incredibly hard to make any court case (if it had gone to court) since the supposed victim is absolutely denying it, so ya know. She tried to get a restraining order soon after the accusation but that failed since she had no proof and luckily after the school year ended (this happened in March) I was able to move in with my dad. He was lucky that I wasn't younger when it happened, but it taught me how cruel some women can be from an early age.

[@cloroxbleach1640]

@@weeblife8657 I'm glad it didn't turn out bad for your dad.

[@VomitPinata]

Being tried and punished in the community without any evidence at all would be terrifying to an innocent man. This is why there HAS to be a law against releasing the accused OR the accuser's name or face publicly until after the trial. And even then IF the accused is found guilty. But I feel like I need to ask, why would your father EVER need to be alone with one of your friends at all? And why would that scenario be a thing that is happening often enough that he was terrified of it? Also, if he only abstained from being alone with your friends "for a while", well that 100% seems like a really poor decision on his part. he could be falsely accused again at any time by any of their parents. Not worth it.

[@johndia5]

That girl was upset that victims need evidence to prosecute someone. This is exactly why there’s even such a thing as anti me too

[@mhare8024]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[@mhare8024]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[@HueNguyen-qk8ji]

M Hare ditto

[@atticus319]

Yup, while ignoring that the man is going to be arrested, handcuffed, interrogated, have to arrange a lawyer, and the money for it, stress about how his life is going to unfold, and endure the stress of a pending case over months and years. All while society will see him as a predator. While the victim will give her statement, likely get emotional support through it, and likely feel some sense of virtue as she gets attention and pity. And if he gets convicted.. well, then things go really bad. Compare that to the "victim's" experience, even including the most common "sexual assault", in which it's likely a date situation and the woman was unhappy with some aspect of her experience. Who do you think has it worse?

[@TNDCBaby]

It's probably because lots of form of sexual harassment and assault have little to no evidence. People would have to walk around with cams and mics on all of the time. That doesn't mean that it makes sense in order to prosecute BUT we need to be real about the nature of the crimes and why it can be such a daunting and disappointing thing to be a victim and have 0 closure or punishment for the guilty party.

[@markelener4053]

3000 men got depersoned and 3 got sent to court to stand trial ... = 2997 inocent men got destroyed by lieing women.

[@stuffz4040]

And how many millions got of lives destroyed by rapist men

[@livingdeadgirlss]

*lying