Should women be drafted?

Congressman Roy, if you change your mind on this issue, I will me more than happy to make a second video explaining your decision.
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More on tooth to tail Ratio: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i57PeKOeiqpsjsU Congressman Roy, if you change your mind on this issue, I will me more than happy to make a second video explaining your decision. I'm not into politics. I do not "dunk on" conservatives or "own" liberals. I'm into facts and #OSINT. Leaving women out of a draft endangers national security because logistics are at the heart of every Army and most women choose combat support and combat service support positions. Connect with me on Twitter: @ryanmcbeth Watch my long form videos: kzbin.info/aero/PLt670_P7pOGmLWZG78JlM-rG2ZrpPziOy Join the conversation: discord.gg/pKuGDHZHrz Want to send me something? Ryan McBeth Productions LLC 8705 Colesville Rd. Suite 249 Silver Spring, MD 20910 USA

[@adrianthoroughgood1191]

@@MeEntertainmentJo_876 Ryan is saying that excluding women from being drafted is excluding half the population.

[@kevinbroderick3779]

You need a highly educated and aggressive armed forces. Just what the military needs, 100,000 women officers with liberal arts degrees.

[@the1only467]

Ok fellow D.C. metro native. Hello and salutations from right across the river in NoVa.

[@robh467]

The last resort excuse. "I don't murder men women and children I only load the bombs and fix the planes that drop the bombs". " Yes, my employer might be the largest murderer of innocent civilians in the last two decades, what the United Nations called "the largest perpetrator of crimes against humanity". Ya know, to spread prostitution pornography gambling money lending drug trafficking arms trafficking human trafficking untaxed labor. ...and this guy would rather hype it then be a hero for humanity and speak the truth against it. Pathetic.

[@absolutezero523]

@@kevinbroderick3779 Ah yes, because all women have liberal arts degrees while men do the "real jobs". Women are just as capable as men, and excluding half of the US population from the draft just does not make sense.

[@thenotsodemocraticrepublic7731]

Considering how unpopular the draft was the last time around, I have to imagine that the US would need to be in a pretty desperate situation to activate it again, and at that point, you would need every able body you could get.

[@basty_gaming5750]

Agree

[@tiddlesworth8798]

If were ever in that kind of position, im pretty sure a draft would be the least of peoples worries. Let alone be an effective model for recruitment.

[@agereartist3763]

@@tiddlesworth8798 Yeah especially seeing how technology has advanced

[@bigg_survivor_8876]

Women also played a large role even thought they weren’t fighting. They maintained farms and all the work their husband did to support their children. They also played a huge role in manufacturing equipment for the military.

[@Tinfoil_Hardhat]

Ignoring that you still need people to maintain vital industries in wartime. Factory workers producing ammo or planes aren't draftees.

[@JohnSmith-qj7hd]

Everyone’s equal and everyone has the right to be cannon fodder.

[@playfulpanthress]

You get it! Nice!

[@robkitchen5344]

Yah Beginning with 1% families drafted for front line service.. time they ..pull some weight aroundo

[@playfulpanthress]

@WrongThink At least you got your name correct.

[@lookatthis9972]

@@playfulpanthress cope

[@playfulpanthress]

@@lookatthis9972 I do. How about you?

[@Ki_Adi_Mundi]

_"Every Cog has their place in The Machine."_

[@deepdays9068]

Even the cog that that breaks it

[@spectrumboy6103]

@@deepdays9068 "when you put all that weight on a woman's body, she crumbles like a fucking crouton"

[@cujothemastiff84]

@@WasifRBX bro same

[@benedict9508]

@@WasifRBX hold on a second… what the fuck do you mean by that?

[@aidanloveridge1721]

Cant tell if this is a philosophical quotr or a Gears of War quote

[@diablominero]

We shouldn't have a draft. If we're going to have a draft, we shouldn't exempt women.

[@RipleysSanatorium]

Spot on!

[@ChefofWar33]

​@@orion7675No there wont.

[@armaggon5920]

True, it's equal rights.

[@joeyharper4976]

​@@ChefofWar33Yes there will. You clearly don't understand how the draft works.

[@ChefofWar33]

@joeyharper4976 Yes I do. It doesn't. Not even a little bit. It's easy to dodge. All you gotta do is say you are a conscientious objector. Or go to college. The only people that end up getting drafted are those that want to be. We are in a free country afterall. They can't do what the Ukrainian army does and get young men at gun point and throw them into Russian artillery. XD

[@manxiefeathermoon9888]

I have always thought women need to sign the Selective Service as well. If men lose their right to vote if they don't sign, why should I keep my right to vote as a woman? Just put us in the support roles. And if we aren't combat, why does it matter if we don't meet the same physical requirements. Most support roles will never be close enough to fight

[@michaelhellwinkle9999]

That means less support roles for men, increasing the number and/or percentage on the front lines. Either men and women are equal or they arnt, it's that simple.

[@lezhu6856]

The issue is that women's suffrage was not tied to military service at all. Since they haven't been tied together for a century, it's hard to change that now.

[@christ7594]

There is a difference between serving and being drafted. My daughter has a choice on serving this country. My son, things get bad enough, he may not (draft). Big difference between walking into a recruiters office and getting a draft letter in the mail.

[@limyohwan]

@@michaelhellwinkle9999 it's already pretty much all men, so it's not going to get any worse.

[@michaelhellwinkle9999]

@@limyohwan that's not true. In the event of a draft if men and woman are both called up all the men would go to the front lines because women are almost exclusively in the rear. As they will almost all be draftees they will have no experience at their jobs. You need veteran enlisted who know what they are doing. Granted, having people get drafted, which is essentially the same as conscript troops is usually not a good recipe anyway. Troops who volunteer just do better on average. I did 5 years active and I've been in the research for 2, I wouldn't want to have to rely on someone who didn't wanna be there. If you got drafted you were forced to go, not sure I would trust that person tbh.

[@chikachika7782]

My dad was in high school during Vietnam. The draft was more like a lottery system like the Hunger Games. It would be televised announcing broadcasting a range of numbers, and men built like pro (American) football players breaking down in tears bc they didn't want to die.

[@cody4916]

Yet another example of male privilege

[@saumyasharma906]

@@cody4916 huh?

[@Matthew-mt2fc]

@@cody4916 isn’t that Literally the opposite?

[@cody4916]

@@Matthew-mt2fc Yeah it was sarcasm

[@hesitwnt6074]

@@cody4916 wha-

[@emanuelrivera7226]

“Here you are all equally worthless” - GySgt R. Lee Ermey

[@robinsoto2700]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@TacosYBurritos8P]

“#dontdraftourdaughters” but have at it with all our sons? I have a hard time with such illogical people.

[@augustuslunasol10thapostle]

They are politicians their sons will be “deemed” medically unqualified

[@Ruosteinenknight]

I'm pretty sure it won't be the sons of congress representatives or senators who'll get "lucky" in the draft. Hell, if it came to that, I'm pretty sure that house of representatives would reinstate the system where you can pay someone to go on your behalf faster than you can recite the pledge of allegiance.

[@peetky8645]

silly comment......... a male draft is a national security issue,,,,,,,, female draft not so much.

[@lolibreeder5265]

@@peetky8645🤡🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

[@Vienic2]

@@peetky8645explain why.

[@MelxIru]

Wow, the 1:4 ratio, its the first time I heard about it. Thanks for the info 😊

[@N7warrior007]

1 are you fit enough? 2: do you have the qualifications for your role 3 can you handle the stress and pressure 4 how well can you work with others NOTHING ELSE SHOULD MATTER

[@acesmak]

They lowered the physical requirements because the girls couldn't hack it...

[@N7warrior007]

@@acesmak that maybe the case but there's also a tonne of non combat roles needed, medics, engineers, pilots, cooks, communication and a tonne I don't know about even if it was heald for that there's still roles that any person could perform so long as their qualified

[@mekingtiger9095]

I meeeean... Just being "fit enough" isn't generally enough. You usually have to be _strong._

[@Anon.G]

If you used those, there would be basically 0 women as they cannot pass the male fitness tests.

[@coenkloppert]

@@mekingtiger9095 If you are implying that woman can't be strong, damn I bet half of the woman I know can beat your ass. Of course men are generally more well built then woman, I don't deny that. But the level of strength you are talking about is only required possibly for special forces teams. Hell in ww2 a lot of manpower either came from non-fit middle aged men or teens who were not build at all and they did fine so I don't know why woman are according to you not strong enough to work in a military.

[@lhr9scout10]

“Equal rights, equal fights”

[@Theonixco]

"Equal Rights and Equal Lefts."

[@floppypancakes9509]

Yeah what could possibly go wrong with women in the military? You people are insane

[@mateusmachadomartinsjunior4309]

People seem to forget that a gun is the ultimate equalizer

[@brndnwilks]

No, people seem to forget that you have to carry the gun, the ammo, and all of the gear required to sustain that gun, to the battlefield, and then engage in running gunfights to kill the enemy while wearing 50 lbs of gear.

[@riyapatel6291]

​@brndnwilks yep you got it in one . combat loadout for marines is 150 lbs aka more than 2 of me . I dunno how much is body worn vs inside the backpack but either way its way more than an above average woman can ruck with for 20 miles I wanna know what gear the guy who you replied to puts in their coffee for that level of wrong boldness .

[@danelisslow3269]

​@@riyapatel6291what exactly is average about a Marine? Being in the military by definition requires being in peak physical shape. If men can lift double their bodyweight, so can women, just takes training and willpower.

[@icyr0bin-794]

@@brndnwilkswomen cant carry things now?

[@brndnwilks]

@@icyr0bin-794 On average, not as far, not as much, and not as quickly. And the point of the post was the short-sighted thought that many people who have never served have, that you simply hand a gun to a woman she instantly becomes the equivalent to a man in a war-zone. They don't understand what it takes to actual engage in combat.

[@NotTheBomb]

This is the most logical argument I have heard to have women in the armed forces. Bravo

[@slaphappyduplenty2436]

Yes, but the problem is that he was arguing for having women in the armed forces, and then concluded that women should be *drafted*, in the unlikely case of a draft. He didn’t even come close to touching the arguments for keeping women out of the draft.

[@poseidon808]

@@slaphappyduplenty2436 the arguments still stand outside of a draft though

[@brianwest2775]

@@slaphappyduplenty2436 Exactly. This video didn't work. A big difference between encouraging women to enlist and forcing them to serve via a draft! Today, child rearing remains predominantly performed by women, so it would have a different impact than the draft for men. At a minimum, there needs to be protections so that both parents can't be drafted at the same time, and that should apply to gay couples too.

[@codybrandley6229]

yeah. but DRAFTED is a different beast. yes i agree. women should be allowed into the military. but “drafted” is forcibly putting them into the military often against their will, which it sounds like he is advocating for?

[@Tennessee_trapper]

For this one reason I can give you a hundred reasons why it's an absolute shit idea and I speak from experience

[@rcff5999]

just allow everyone and draft equally. equal rights extend everywhere.

[@Hathur]

@@identifiesas65.wheresmyche95 Agreed. The notion that any nuclear power would need to draft is utterly absurd. If Russia or China is landing paratroopers and landing boats on the coast of the US, guess what's happening? Nuclear war. Same goes if US tries to land troops in Russia or China.. the next immediate response is nuclear annihilation. The draft is pointless. You only need a draft if your goal is conquest of poor, weak nations with no nuclear arms who's resources you want to steal and you can't muster a large enough volunteer force to achieve it. And the US has plenty of volunteer forces already to rob any non-nuclear power they want, should they so decide.

[@-Sober-]

Women want equality, so i always say give them it all. All of the hard life that comes with it. No more special care, no more bias in things like family court cases, equal rights equal fights (outside of competitions ofc), etc. Its ridiculous how many think they can select which equalities they can have

[@thecupcakeman69]

@@identifiesas65.wheresmyche95 they can have Cali

[@cameron3525]

Equality has nothing to do with it. Ability does. If women can perform up to the standards of men, then I’m fine with it

[@vulcher7927]

@@identifiesas65.wheresmyche95 but they do

[@dkoda840]

The draft shouldn’t be a thing but if we do have one then yes everyone should be eligible. Edit: Apparently some love arguing in bad faith, when I mean everyone I mean we’ll abled adults, disabled, the elderly, and children would not be drafted.

[@saytax]

I agree.

[@lenny7773]

What's the point of even fighting then? Why not send children to the front lines?

[@sharpe3698]

Not sure that holds up. I agree that the draft shouldn't be a thing. And I hope we agree that men and women deserve equal rights. It doesn't follow that because the draft unjustly infringes on men that we should do more injustice to women under the guise if equality. I don't see a sincere argument for drafting women that doesn't inevitably accept the draft as just and legitimate.

[@JesusChrist42000]

@@sharpe3698 you want the country you live in and sometimes you have to serve to support your country. Every social system set up for the people needs people to defend it

[@1dollarbrady213]

But I'm only 14

[@mace7754]

You get your equal rights and lefts. It's sexist to force men to fight and not women since women have all rights that men have, it's only therefore equality they fight for their said rights too.

[@miral6694]

One of the subjects most reasonable right- and left-leaning folks can agree on: draft everyone or no one, but don't just draft half the population.

[@F0UR3V3R]

​@@miral6694And also dont draft children, anyone who disagrees with that should be flung into the sun

[@EnglandRemoval]

​@@F0UR3V3R This especially, though they really don't have most of the rights to be fighting for.

[@BrookIsDead]

@@F0UR3V3Rdon’t draft disabled or elderly people

[@joshuaseese5842]

If I ever heard the words “ it would behoove you” before….well it was in every day at Paris Island. Hooray Semper Fi!

[@RyanMcBethProgramming]

Was wondering when someone would notice that. Not a piggy back and what the commander said I just wanna caveat.

[@erikkovacs3097]

I hate it when they spell it “be who of you”.

[@insomni_addict281]

@@RyanMcBethProgramming anymore saved rounds? If not I think we can pop smoke and kick this thing, rah? Alright let’s try that again with some volume this time.

[@ChapterMasterADO]

It would be hooah of you.

[@MrSlosh]

The best answer is that no one should be drafted, ever. But realistically opening it to every citizen is the most preferred second option.

[@dillonkeller4477]

I don't know if it's intentional or not, but he's not addressing what the Congressman said. He argued for why women should be allowed to serve (which the Congressman agrees with) rather than arguing why women should be included in the draft, which is the actual issue at hand

[@TheAnnoyingBoss]

Listen man hear me out, all we need is solar powered suicide dones. Make an app. The. Wherever a war happens that we end up needing to get involved in, just release the tiny drones all over nearby, then let anyone in USA download the app and they get to pilot their own mini drone to a target and eliminate it. Then we don't need the draft, but we can all participate from right at home 😂

[@TheAnnoyingBoss]

@@dillonkeller4477 he brings a good point when he said most women aren't going to be fit for front lines. But they'll be great for hospitals, intelligence gathering, ect. So he brings up a good point. Ultimately I think our goal should be to have such a capable military of volunteers that we never even need to bring the draft back. I mean, If someone invades USA, lots and lots of us have guns already or extra to go around at a moments notice. We wouldn't need to be drafted to get to work ASAP here on home turf tbh. Idk, the more the militaries capabilities increase, the less we need to rely on a draft system. If the Marines have suicide drone swarms that can take out 50 enemies easy, that would be way less soldiers on the front line than if you didn't have them. Of course assuming we can beat any counter drone tech with counter clunter drone tech, in order to keep our stuff effective. Stuff like that. If we give the military cooler gear then we are at less risk of draft and more likely to get volunteers.

[@dillonkeller4477]

@@TheAnnoyingBoss Irrelevant

[@mozarkozark]

The draft is intended to supplement a governments military with civilians as relatively inexperienced soldiers to be used as cannon fodder in massive operations to replace the cannon fodder that’s already been wiped out. They aren’t looking to draft people into support positions that are already filled because no one is getting wiped out in those positions so there’s no need to draft large numbers or women into support positions.

[@ethank5059]

If you live in the US the odds that you actually are drafted into a real war are basically none as modern war generally involves far fewer troops on the ground than in the past. That said as long as the draft exists and men are forced to sign up then so should women. If the situation is dire enough to warrant a draft we shouldn’t exclude half the population.

[@AKlover]

The U.S. Mil hasn't fought or has not been allowed to fight at it's full capability since the early Korean war. You, I, and everyone reading this comment know that even if drafted 99% of women will not have to be in an "At Risk" unit much less A combat unit. Men will be fed into the meat grinder though.

[@chadgrov]

We will see how this new “G8” that Russia wants to start with Iran and China pans out, smells to me like the teams are being set for the World Cup. …no wait WW3 my bad.

[@AKlover]

@@chadgrov Economic Balkanization. We are going back to Pre-WWI Hegemonies. Demographic collapse will get in the way of that ......especially China and Russia.

[@IrishCaesar]

Modern war against insurgencies or significantly weaker powers you mean? If Ukraine is anything to go by war between near peer adversaries will have fucking massive death tolls counts

[@BORN753]

Well in countries where the draft is obligatory there is a question of why men have to give up 2 years of their most productive years, and women don't. If you have an obligatory conscription - then you either give men privileges, or make women serve too, like in Israel. But even in Israel women have preferences of how not to serve (like marrying early), while men don't. Well, there is a third option, of assigning women, who are "housekeepers and childbearers" to give birth to a child of a "defender of a country", but for some reason women are only agreeing to make men slaves, not women too. In the old days, the world was patriarchal, so it made sense that man defended it. Now it is not patriarchal, yet old rules persist. With equality comes equal obligations. If men are discriminated by their sex, then women should be too.

[@RobloxDeadzoneHacks]

Women want equality? Draft them.

[@nubiamartinez2530]

The feminist movement are always fighting for equality, so the time has come.

[@melindahale6444]

Ok, so we're just going to skip over equal pay and prosecution of sex crimes and go straight to the draft??? We haven't had a draft IN MY LIFETIME for either sex, and we're just going to jump to that being equal rights. Good grief!!

[@TheBuddel]

​@@melindahale6444yeah these people are delusional. Draft no one. If people are stupid enough to die for their country, let them, but leave the rest alone

[@Ludoovik]

​@@melindahale6444 1964 equal pay act, it's already illegal. If it was then businesses would mostly hire women to generate profit. Claudia Goldin has received a Nobel Prize in economics with her research that demonstrated that the earning gaps is not due to sexism but simply career's choices. Please educate yourself

[@geraldwashington6588]

@@melindahale6444more men are SAd and graped than women in America. There is no inequal prosecution of SA crimes that overly Benefit men in that sense. Gotta look at the whole picture. Otherwise I can cherry pick data to show women have it better, like in the video itself Ryan points out more women are graduating college than men…

[@sketchy5085]

The one issue that i have with this is that it assumes a college education = a higher level of competence at any actual job. Hell im 1 1/2 years into college education and im still dumb af, nothings changed really lmao

[@sketchy5085]

@Hey Girl I Like Your Kitchen Romania First if all, Thank you very much but im actually rather decent academically. Its just that a college education will (imo) do very little in terms of preparing you for an actual profession.

[@mightymight365]

@@sketchy5085 Basic college education is mainly for increasing overall the general population's knowledge by exposing them to a variety if subjects. Almost like a continuation of high school like, 13th-16th grade in the States. You are correct in that it (basic college) hardly does anything for the corporate environment. It only shows your prospective employers that you have somewhat of a capability to absorb, retain, compute, and execute information. It also gives you more of an advantage (a way out) when it comes to switching your career when you're at a dead end job. And it also increases your knowledge in making a few life decisions (like taking finance courses will help you buy a house/car.) I went to college, graduated with high honors in business and finance, but I drive an 18 wheeler around my job's parking lot all day. Good money (all my bills get paid) and great benefits. Ivy League colleges are a completely different system (I assume).

[@nytrol2720]

As my teacher once said. "What i am teaching here is not 1+1=2 but skills and skills is what makes the system work. Not knowlega of how napolon took over prussia."

[@Alexis-bz7kl]

From my experience, I took the first couple years taking care of the general education side of my college requirements before focusing solely on my major. In other words, you've got lots of time to sort out what knowledge is essential to you and using that to build up to the career of your choice

[@sketchy5085]

@Thierry Parte Academic accomplishments doesnt equal intelligence tho, i think its more about your work ethic tbh

[@robkitchen]

It’s called equality, I’m for it 100%.

[@touayaaj84]

If woman want equality, they must face the consequences like the draft. I’m all about it.

[@armaggon5920]

EXACTLY. That's equal right.

[@Radzig.Kobyla]

Women only want equality when it benefits them, not when there is going to be a draft.

[@tylerhardie6984]

Exactly!

[@dang1099]

Thats literally what the Equal Rights Amendmemt was about but it never got passed because of, you guessed it, conservatives. Its so weird how people push this narrative when progressives literally already tried this.

[@BattleGn0me]

the purpose of manpower management power is optimizing combat survivability and combat effectiveness, Not teching people a lesson. I hope my son doesnt end up paying the cost of your pithy political statement.

[@DeltaFlare987]

"Can you do your job?" Yes There. Problem solved

[@kiwiwasoncehere3623]

Not if you have the option of getting pregnant to get dismissed from duty if you decide you want out before your contract is up

[@TealJosh]

@@kiwiwasoncehere3623 men can also get out for bs reasons.

[@samisha5834]

@@kiwiwasoncehere3623 Well who cares. You aint gonna give up an soldier than can serve years cause she can just leave for a couple months

[@commanderkronos]

“An soldier” is actually incorrect grammatically speaking. “An” is used before a vowel (such as “An exception”), while “A is used before consonants. So it would instead be “You are not going to give up a soldier that can serve for years while she can just leave for a couple of months”.

[@grell5108]

@@commanderkronos ey, grammar nazi, quick question. So let's say I wanted to say that I would like an apple and a banana. Would I have to say both the 'an' and the 'a' or could I say, "I would like an apple and banana" or is it, "I would like a apple and banana". And what happens when I put banana first as in, "I would like a banana and apple"?

[@TheGelatinousSnake]

Yes, women should also be Eligible for the draft. It will also make men and women’s right to vote finally equal as men’s right to vote is tied to them signing up to be drafted

[@FartInYourFace234]

100% agree. most people think the draft automatically puts you on the front lines

[@Qwerty0791]

Your right to vote isn’t connected to being drafted. You borrowing money for college does. You don’t need a selective service number for your driver’s license. You do need it for federal employment, though.

[@InsaneLool]

Just do like Israel and draft every single 18 year old person

[@Techie1224]

@@InsaneLool draft = dictatorship

[@Texas240]

@@Qwerty0791 - When you turn 18, as a male, you are required to sign the selective service agreement.

[@DorifutoRabbit]

I disagree with the concept of a draft or conscription full stop, but I accept that sometimes a hard decision has to be made in desperate times. That said I have no problem with women in the military

[@testthisfordecficiencies]

We don't have that problem in Canada.

[@OffBrandChicken]

@@testthisfordecficiencies yeah you're problem is Trudeau going into full dictatorship and seizing assets. A lot better.

[@testthisfordecficiencies]

@Centurion 0mega I'm not your buddy, guy.

[@flak7665]

@@testthisfordecficiencies I’m not your guy, pal

[@testthisfordecficiencies]

@@flak7665 😆 ^^^Nice^^^ I'm not your pal, buddy!

[@anthonysmith4072]

Well fuck, they can vote…DRAFT THEM

[@trafficbutter9493]

I’m a woman, and I think we should be drafted. Not that I want to die, but the men don’t want to die either. It’s only fair, if you people want equal rights you can’t just dodge the draft because it doesn’t fit into your narrow mindset of what equal rights are. Unless you don’t have a legitimate reason, you should be able to help your country in such a dire situation. Simple as that

[@schmo7777]

An actual feminist haha. I'm sick of hearing men make more, treated better blah blah, then gloss over the risk posed to men and dying in wars.

[@sethadkins546]

How about no one gets drafted? I mean we're going to get drafted anyway bit don't force us to say we're okay with it or else put us in prison

[@wtxohnthao2612]

Well how about only draft Women. It's women's turn to fight on the Frontline while men stay home.

[@sparkzbarca]

​@@sethadkins546the problem with no one gets drafted is it assumes that rights should exist without responsibilities. Every right confers on the individual a corresponding responsibility. That is in fact the reason to give you the right to begin with, in order to maximize the ability of society as a whole to exploit you for the betterment of all. We give you free markets and patents so that we can buy your stuff and use it and it can expire and everyone can have it. We give you free speech so you can tell us your idea that's better than ours and we can use it. But if the way we do things in say Ukraine is better than the way Russia would things if they were in charge then your protection of the Ukrainian system is everything. The clearest example of Korea. North Korea invaded South Korea. One need take only the merest moment to see that it is absolute insanity to say that letting the Kim family win and rule south Korea isn't sooo much worse than drafting even a generation of South Korean men to prevent that. The rights of South Korea come with them the responsibility to tell Kim to F off to his own side of the 38th parallel

[@bishop51807]

We should stop voting for politicians that treat us like cannon fodder. Instead of just throwing more people into pointless 19.9 year wars.

[@Poop-ex8pl]

it shouldn’t be “should women be drafted” it should be “should anyone be drafted” and the answer is 10000% no

[@InfestedTemplar]

Exactly, I thought you guys had a constitutional amendment to eliminate slavery?

[@thecossackcrusaderofholybr8448]

I wouldn't fight for what America is today, a degenerate society

[@thecossackcrusaderofholybr8448]

@@kenjifugimoto Russia? Serbia, Greece, or Armenia maybe but highly doubtful I will.

[@thecossackcrusaderofholybr8448]

@@kenjifugimoto Orthodox Christian ☦

[@thecossackcrusaderofholybr8448]

@@kenjifugimoto what famine? you mean the Holodomor? The Holodomer wasn't by the Russians ot was by the maniac known as Stalin, Stalin didn't just kill Ukrainians he killed millions of Russians. As for the invasion civilian casualties are a side affect of every war, it is an unfortunate truth, just like how the Ukrainians killed civilians when shelling Donbas. I feel sorry for the innocent Ukrainian civilians but this war is not entirely the fault of Russia, the Ukrainian government kinda asked for it when they began leaning towards NATO and the West, not mention how the West continues to prolong the war through funding and supplying Ukraine who would've ran out of ammo and surrendered months ago if it weren't for NATO supplies and how the west intervened when Ukraine and Russia were deciding a peace deal 3 weeks after the start of the war but was canceled because of the west, this war could have ended in weeks but the west dragged it into months, and in doing so prolonged the struggle of the Ukrainian people, I'd only fight for Russia in specific surcumstances with how the US has been recently and all the degeneracy plaguing the US.

[@earothefancy8144]

It's like: "You tell me where the weak spot is, I take the shot" Great team, they both require each other to work effectively

[@singularkakapo]

One person decides the target, one finds the target, one calls the shot, one provides the ammo, one takes the shot, one repairs the gun, and one drives everyone else around. And one writes the reports.

[@Shawnx-jb7sv]

The right to vote, added your name to the list for conscription. Women didn't want to have to potentially lose their life for our rights and freedoms, but had zero qualms about putting boys/mens lives at risk! They have the right to vote now, so give them the equal rights that they desire, and add them to any conscription list/s!

[@BalefulBunyip]

Never thought of it that way. Very smart, this was also very true in England during the second world war when even the current Queen was a support soldier and worked as an automobile mechanic.

[@coyotecom]

My brain went on a complete tangent and came up with: "They should be recruiting from cheerleading camps because some of those girls are strong as fuck, competitive as hell, have stamina all over the place, and have been living and breathing team spirit since they were 5. I bet they'd make great SOF"

[@othersbyuri]

So true! Now all I can picture is a cheerful girl telling me what to do 🧏🏽‍♀️🤣🤷🏻‍♀️

[@hiteshadhikari]

And then we see, none of them even clears basic bootcamp without lower standard

[@hereLiesThisTroper]

Holy hell you are a genius! No really, I never thought about this. Cheerleaders or any women on team sports are indeed good for the military. I just realize something new today haha!

[@InnuendoXP]

@@hereLiesThisTroper just picture the coordination & aggression from a squad of former hockey players

[@noahgreene7246]

Yeah lol until they're dehydrated and borderline starving and they can't post to twitter about their Starbucks

[@jasonbower9515]

The interesting thing is when you hear most politicians talk about this issue and they say of course women should be allowed to choose to go into the military if they want to. But that's not what a draft is. Women can already chooses to be in the military. It's been that way for quite some time. The draft is about whether in times of war women should be forced into the military at the same rates as men for involuntary service.

[@lilBabyBornInCalifornia]

if there was a modern war between superpowers theres a good chance a lot of the women would die just staying at home anyway. it would actually be safer for them to be part of the military

[@svenvanwier7196]

@@lilBabyBornInCalifornia 😂😂😂😂

[@str2010]

If it ever gets to the point where a draft is needed, the US is going to need every able bodied person it has. Even if they'll just end up in support units, that will be a massive help. If we ever get to that stage, drafting women should be considered. That being said, let's hope it never gets to the point where any draft is necessary

[@ondank]

Yeah, if there is a requirement for a draft in an economically developed country, women are definitely going to get drafted.

[@charlesthomas135]

@Rena what study?

[@Stanley_Baby]

Whoever has the right to vote should have the obligation to defend their nation.

[@GrifoStelle]

Yes, yes we should be. Equal rights? Equal responsibility.

[@Samcooley15]

It’s been the role of men to protect since the beginning of society doesn’t need to change

[@gibbsm]

@@Samcooley15 huh?

[@LilTachanka]

​@@Samcooley15 sir you do realize egalitarianism exists right?

[@Professional298]

@@Samcooley15 i don't see why not

[@gustavoholdrigo9139]

Equal rights means equal fights

[@NoBaconForYou]

Thanks to military women! If you are capable and you feel it's your place, pursue a combat role. But there is absolutely no shame in joining a support role. If I were to join the military as a male, i would likely pursue a support role with skills that are usable in a post military career.

[@elyrienvalkyr8167]

Right up until the guy gets shot and the girls are way too small/weak to actually carry or drag the guy to safety. There are extremely valid reasons why no one wants them in combat with them.

[@fallenmango8420]

@@elyrienvalkyr8167 Plenty of women are more than strong enough.

[@mekingtiger9095]

​​@@fallenmango8420 Personally quite doubt it, though. Or at least I am skeptical about your statement.

[@fallenmango8420]

@@mekingtiger9095 here is a video of a woman lifting over seven hundred pounds. kzbin.info/www/bejne/iIjFi4ewgtmqZ6c Happy to help you expand your horizons.

[@mekingtiger9095]

​​@@elyrienvalkyr8167 There is always those few women who are above average that can match or at least keep up with men's strength. You don't have to lower your standards to let them in. Sure, the numbers may not change a whole lot in the end, but why not?

[@pigtaku4276]

I'll simplify it even more, right to vote = Draftable.

[@jer1014t2th]

Yep 😊

[@AryaFathizadeh]

That’s brain dead logic

[@jer1014t2th]

@@Kayla_Sandoval that's a legitimate perspective. I will note - there is an idea that citizenship and the right to vote (or the right to and the benefits of being able to participate in civil society) is counterbalanced by the requirement that one be subject to things like taxes, or the draft. Now, that did not happen to be the origin of the Draft in the US. It was a supporting reason for why it has been maintained. It is legitimate to be against the government's ability to draft at all. But being that women do serve in the military, now - and did not at the drafts creation - I do think that if we're keeping it, it should not be limited to men.

[@jer1014t2th]

@KaylaSandoval-vy3np War is terrible, yeah. But no, I'm not telling you not to go against the government. If you don't think we should enable the government to draft people for war, that's a valid political stance; and I would not discourage you. I was explaining just one side of the argument; and I'm sure there are at least several sides I did not explain. War is hell.

[@davidpotts1168]

I'm x-Navy ! Thanks for your service , I'm sad for your wounds!!

[@knazibaz]

In Sweden, we have a gender-neutral conscription. Everyone can be drafted.

[@super1million11]

That's how it should it be everywhere. If a man can be forced to die in a war they don't believe in then so should women. Of course I'm against the draft in general.

[@itsourlife]

True why should only men fight and die in wars.

[@Joe-qz1in]

Women shouldnt be fighting at war but they should stay in the support roles cause women arent generally built for combat

[@Tranitosaur]

@@Joe-qz1in So you think that no woman can fight? That's the most BS I've heard 'cause it's unrealistic.

[@Joe-qz1in]

@@Tranitosaur ok put 5 men in a ring and make them fight 5 women, the victorious one will be men because they are generally stronger

[@juanzamarripa3133]

They want equality, give it to them.

[@outdoorscholar6016]

I don’t think it’s about wanting equality, I think it’s more of they don’t want to be harassed or worse by their male comrades. Harassment comes in many forms, especially with comments like “She’s the barracks bunny” “Thank you for your cervix” “Hehe boobs on the ground” Don’t even get me started on S.A. In the military, especially with how the Brass respond to women coming forward to report it. Men’ll whine if women don’t join, and men’ll whine when women do join.

[@izuk_btw4009]

Faxxxx

[@bobbyraejohnson]

Fun fact: it was Milton Friedman who talked Richard Nixon into a volunteer service in the military instead of drafting people each time there is a war.

[@270Winchester]

Women should be in support roles but not combat. It's too much of a risk for themselves and others. No matter how strong a woman is there is simply no way you can expect a 150 pound woman be able to carry 120 pounds of gear plus have to pull or carry a 200 pound guy with another 100-150 pounds of gear if they are injured.

[@enovos3138]

"The last girl looks like a wojack." Yeah I need to touch grass

[@destinywilliams801]

Lmfao

[@mpdymond]

“It would behoove you” gah took me right back lmao

[@cybersquire]

All that is needed is the knife hand

[@fdfd4739]

Halves my chances, so uh, equality?

[@RangerOfTheOrder]

I once had the opportunity to speak with a retired marine who was a drill sergeant in the early 70's when the last draft ended. He said there was a marked difference in the motivation and performance of those who were drafted vs those who volunteered.

[@Hollows1997]

I think there’s a clear difference between being drafted and choosing to serve.

[@sedevri864]

That's not the question though, is it?

[@pf6137]

@@sedevri864 should it ever even be a thing to it's basically if the hunger games were in real life. Death chosen for you lottery style. Yeah you may survive but at what cost? For what? Some war our nose shouldn't be in anyways because the "great powers" are earnings money from the contracted military (almost all people of the government officials that decide when to go to war are affiliated with war contractors in their field of approval and denied bills, look up what each of the Senate and house of representatives have in their stocks portfolio and what they make money from. It's private government contractors (hitmen for hire, combat specialists/trainers, food providers, and way way more). How government contractors work is that normally the government negotiates with these private companies for the prices outside of war, when the contract is the lowest bidder the government goes with that one. During war however the first person to say yes and give the amount of money they "need" to do it, is the first person they give the contract too, you can imagine the increase in money and the shady tactics at play. Look up the court case against a government contractors in the making of army food supplies and services it should be one of the first things that comes up. All of this is on government websites you just need to actually look.

[@sedevri864]

@@pf6137 you lost the plot of the conversation

[@Lordgrayson]

True, however it's pretty sexist towards men that they are forced to fight and die for their country just for the right to vote, but women get a free pass

[@RedStriker212]

Equal rights, equal fights. Everyone should have to sign up for selective services, or nobody should.

[@eliasziad7864]

Yes, russian men qloves a lone american woman in the moddle of the winter.

[@cowboydog2579]

I was initially worried at where this video would go, but I’m really happy about where it went. Thank you for being direct and using easy to understand statistics when talking about this.

[@Nerobyrne]

The thing is, there hasn't been a draft in decades. Will this even matter?

[@cowboydog2579]

@@Nerobyrne probably not, I just liked the way he presented the information

[@Jackyl_47]

OORAH SEND THEM TO WAR

[@fox1actual]

@@Nerobyrne It will when WW3 starts. You act as if we will never be in a war again. SMDH.

[@leonardodakimchi]

Why do we have quotas for women in upper management and corporations but none for the draft, sewage maintenance, and brick laying?

[@cajunguy6502]

Because executives are want eye candy. Sewage workers have no interest in the kind of women who would apply to work there 😂

[@doomersnek3878]

Imo, drafting should only be done when it is an active attack on the US land. We shouldn't be drafted for offensive reasons, but rather a defensive. Which yea, women should be drafted because, you know, equality. Equal rights means equal responsibility.

[@blablamann2973]

@Lu B. lol and play "world police" and invade other countries for dumb reasons? Voluntary enlistment in Times of peace is way better.

[@Razor-gx2dq]

If there was an active attack on US land there may not be time for a draft but you'd sure as hell see civilians fighting. Besides a land attack would never happen in this day and age, unless Canada or Mexico becomes hostile for some reason.

[@Kevin-xq2tv]

“WW2 moment”

[@alexreid1173]

@Lu B. The US shouldn’t infringe on the sovereignty of foreign nations. And we don’t really need a draft otherwise…

[@thebarbarian3108]

@Lu B. russia is on the deathrow of nations m8 literally becoming iran 2.0 & I dont think china can even compete with america due to americas large cultural presence around the world.

[@eugenecbell]

Yes to women in our armed forces. No to drafting anyone.

[@jesuszamora6949]

Well, in most cases I agree. The draft should be an option only as last resort, in case we're on the verge of a devastating defeat. If anything, having women in the registry might make the more chauvinistic members of our government more hesitant to call a draft for BS reasons like we did with Vietnam. Still, the current system of a professional, all-volunteer army should be kept.

[@eugenecbell]

@@jesuszamora6949 in the case of a pending devastating defeat, the people will volunteer, so a draft is still unnecessary. If the people do not agree such a defeat is pending, the government has failed or is wrong and the government has no right to impose conscription.

[@cameron3525]

As long as they are held the same standards, I’m fine with it

[@bigbootros4362]

Yes I agree. That's my issue. When I joined up there was only two girls in basic training. And one was so bad at everything. ...but she passed out and got away with it because she was cute. I saw her again a couple years later and she was still the same. Awful at everything but getting away with it. I noticed that both times I met her that the other girls hated her also.

[@jamesdunning8650]

They are not, so there's that.

[@tangomango8474]

I don't get why people want women to have the same physical standards as men. It's literally a dumb thing to argue for. Of course the physical requirements would need to be lowered for women because of biology.

[@jamesdunning8650]

@@tangomango8474 Then they should not be there in the first place. We need the best of best, not the best of 2nd place.

[@cameron3525]

Good Points. My main concern would be having them in combat, because there’s another psychological factor in that men are more likely to make poor decisions saving women than themselves. There’s actually been a few studies looking at decision making when only men are involved versus when women are involved.

[@WoebringerofDoom]

Equal rights equal flights.

[@DocM49]

If men have to sign up for the selective reserve so does the women. That’s equality.

[@kiwiwasoncehere3623]

Most males have not wanted equality, I wish people would stop pretending that most females want true equality.

[@izuk_btw4009]

Yessir

[@mafumofu986]

Why would women have to fight in wars started by men?

[@DocM49]

@@mafumofu986 Thats a troll response. Women are in positions of power all over the world including the United States. I was in the US Army for 9 1/2 years and I saw plenty of women serve with honor and distinction. Equality means treating people equally. Either nobody should be allowed to sign up for the select reserves or everyone should. It’s not fair to only send somebody to war based on their sex.

[@mafumofu986]

@@DocM49 if you think this is a troll response, you'd be surprised how many people unironically think like this

[@SpectralFlames05]

Yeah I’m definitely saying especially if you believe in a strong military, don’t leave out the women

[@DS-wl5pk]

Leave them in logistics and behind the scenes tho. Not on the front lines. If they can meet the requirements for men, by all means. Otherwise, they are literally a liability on the front lines

[@PotatoChicken-gg1ju]

@@DS-wl5pk that's literally what the video said... have women in support roles.

[@cybersquire]

Everybody fights, nobody quits

[@sjonnieplayfull5859]

If you retreat I will shoot you myself

[@kichtdicky8441]

Drafting for anyone is unconstitutional and the US military should exclusively consist of dedicated, highly skilled volunteers.

[@BigCookieDough]

Men are forced to sign a waiver recognizing that they can be drafted in a war

[@christianmartires729]

"Very few chose direct combat jobs" Ah yes, equality.

[@joeschembrie9450]

If women fill all the non-combat jobs, very few men will get to choose anything other than direct combat jobs. Is there something they're not telling us about this Ukraine war thing?

[@slimj091]

Very few men choose direct combat jobs also.

[@de22bock]

Under current draft registration regulations women can already be drafted if they are involved in health care even if there is no present registration requirement for women.

[@WeirdoGamerman]

​@@slimj091But those are still primarily men.

[@theducknamednewepicla9507]

Ok

[@tobyk.4911]

"these clowns draft women" - well, one of the armies in the world most famous in the world for drafting women is the Israeli Defence Forces (with a mandatory military service of 2 years for women) ... they (the Israeli soldiers) get called all kind of names in other countries - but I haven't heard yet "clown". Even their enemies (which usually aren't really proponents of women empowerment) don't think that it's a joke. If the Israeli army does it - regularly, for many decades already - then you better think twice before you call it a joke. They then usually have serious reasons for it.

[@luked2115]

The IDF absolutely aren't clowns! They are, however, genocidal.

[@mark-gj4mb]

I obviously support equality for women, but idk if Israel is the best example of equality lmao

[@thelogician3845]

@@W1ldSm1le proof that they aren't built the same way? Do men and women react differently to an injury?

[@DirtyReyes]

Israeli has 9 million people, America has 329 million, Israel is desperate.

[@deusvult6920]

Without the US they wouldn't even exist and the world would be a better place

[@amorphousavocet1210]

The real problem with the US draft is that it’s utterly useless. Modern wars for the US are not decided by our ability to field able bodies to fight, and our need for them is nowhere near surpassing the pool of volunteers. Any war where the stakes are high enough to perhaps justify a draft, will have already been decided by the navy, Air Force, and ICBMs. At most we need an able tank and mechanized infantry force, and we already have more than enough with volunteers. The draft is a useless relic of the time when the number of bodies you could throw at the enemy determined the outcome. WW1 showed those days were ending with the rise of machine guns, and WW2 sealed their grave with the rise of modern tanks, air power, and nuclear weapons. Every other time we’ve tried to deploy large numbers of infantry, all we’ve accomplished is giving our opponent vulnerable targets to shoot. Even if we didn’t have enough volunteers, what we’d need is well educated people to staff the support network for those machines, and the draft cannot possibly provide that level of education and training fast enough to matter.

[@aibarra4141]

Except that you can’t hold ground without people. Being able to field bodies will always matter because that is the only way to hold ground.

[@aibarra4141]

Why did the numerically superior Russians beat the the technological superior Germans? People. People are needed to hold ground. People are needed to support the forces holding ground.

[@amorphousavocet1210]

@@aibarra4141 In WW2, when wars were still fought by infantry, sure. Now that mass infantry have been replaced by combined arms tactics, combined with the rise of precision bombing and artillery, infantry only matter as far as their ability to support the machinery of war. Be that in logistics or screening. And average recruitment, for the US at least as that’s where I know about, more than meets the requirements for that. The very idea we’d actually need a draft to protect our country is inconceivable, whereas it’s far more likely it would be used to draft soldiers for a war the people are against which drives down that recruitment. As was the case with Vietnam. So yes, the draft is effectively useless, if not actively harmful. Especially true when we’re fighting wars against insurgents and such rather than peer opponents. In asymmetrical warfare like that lining troops up just gives them targets and builds bad will. Targeted attacks and information warfare have proven far more effective time and again.

[@tsarnicholasii5810]

I hate to break it to you but wars are still fought by infantry and a purely mechanized force would be a terrible idea for so many reasons. It would be extremely costly and hard to maintain as well as impractical for close quarters combat. There is also the Russo - Ukraine war going on. Which in itself is showing that infantry still has a huge role in warfare. The Ukrainians aren’t holding with tanks there holding with infantry with weapons that can destroy these tanks, IFVs, and APCs. You forget that WW2 saw some of the largest tank battles ever and in the modern era we will never have as many tanks and Vehicles as countries had in WW2. There is also the fact that a lot of weapons over the Cold War era and modern era have been designed to destroy vehicles from range. I don’t like the idea of a draft but the reality of the situation is that people are going to win the next big war not machines and if nuclear weapons aren’t used then it is even more true. Also the U.S. Army predicts that in a WW3 scenario they will not be able to build enough tanks and other armored vehicles to replenish all their losses so the will slowly run out and it’s the same with the air force and navy with there ships and planes. If wars where only won by tanks, planes, and ships I’m sure somebody would have figured it out real quick and you would be getting a call from West Point to come teach them how to fight. There is a science to war that you don’t seem to understand war is a lot of balancing and countering and in modern war infantry is more valuable then ever in countering enemy armor and aircraft with a lot of fun new weapons. I don’t want a draft but if stuff get hot in Europe or Asia or both we are probably either going to need a draft or we all won’t be here long enough to argue about whether it was necessary or not. That’s the reality of war as William T Sherman said “You cannot qualify war in harsher terms then I will. War is cruelty and you cannot refine it”.

[@basiwolf9147]

Bro tell that to the russians...one of the biggest complaints from Ukrainians is "they don't stop coming"

[@canadianintheend]

My niece does combat, trains men on how to repair helicopters and she flies them. Canadian Army Dam I'm proud of her. Just before the war started she spent 2 years training the men there with her comrades. She followed her father he was with airborne unit for 20 years.

[@gavinortengren3273]

Yes, let's draft women. That's all I am going to say, because this is my personal opinion, and I believe that it shouldn't just be one gender getting drafted.

[@karomiooo]

Seems inmoral to draft mothers and daughters

[@diegoalbertoalejandrogonza6322]

They aren't physically as strong. It's not about double standards, think about it biologically

[@vothbetilia4862]

@@diegoalbertoalejandrogonza6322 Ok and? The SAS let women join the special forces and the women joined by choice.

[@alexreid1173]

@@diegoalbertoalejandrogonza6322 That doesn’t check out. All men have to register for the draft. That includes disabled men. It includes paralyzed men. They wouldn’t actually be drafted, but they still have to sign the forms.

[@γιουργια]

@@diegoalbertoalejandrogonza6322 Physically strength maters less and less in modern war I don't see how a not as strong physically woman can't be a tank operator

[@fubarexress6359]

I worked armed security for years. I worked with a lot of ladies. I had 1 who could handle the stress we came under often. She was 6'3 240 lbs. British gal. Absolutely a unit. She could man handle the biggest men like they were children. Nothing rocked her. Ever. Clearly a woman like that is perfectly cut out for LE work or the military. I have no problem with women being in the military. As long as they can do THE EXACT same tests as the men have to pass. Because ultimately when you're in the field your adversaries are not going to go easy on the women, when s*** hits the fan it's not like everything is going to be less difficult for the ladies and harder for the guys. I don't know a single girl who could ranger Carry me. Very few women can lift half tbe weight an average man can. I understand there are outliers and for those women I encourage them to hop into an infantry unit LOL. But most women should be inside the wire and out of the field. Other wise their a huge liability.

[@agirlcalledshiv309]

Thank you. That’s not even mentioning the “hero” thing that can happen when men in the field instinctively protect women.

[@mekingtiger9095]

@@agirlcalledshiv309 Imo, that is just being a stupid simp. Their problem if they really wanna do the "hueroe".

[@FinalLugiaGuardian]

I agree. Equal rights equal responsibility. That means a unisex standard for men and women for both conscription and regular Enlistment.

[@FinalLugiaGuardian]

@@AliciaGonzalez-pk3mw Norway, Sweden, and Israel all conscript women. None of the female conscripts cause problems for the armies of those countries. Also, maybe this is the cynic in me, but I think one of the best ways to ensure that men are not drafted to fight a pointless war is to legislate that women will be drafted too. Say goodbye to Forever wars in the Middle East for... who knows why...

[@humble2246]

@@AliciaGonzalez-pk3mwIn what way? I thought it was sexist to think men and women are built as well think differently.

[@avus-kw2f213]

Women should’ve been drafted when they were giving the right to vote

[@sickzappybeef9209]

Then during ww2 who would’ve been working in the factories? 🤔

[@avus-kw2f213]

@@sickzappybeef9209 men

[@sickzappybeef9209]

@@avus-kw2f213 the draft in ww2 was from 20-40 year old men. I don’t think there was much men left to be working in factories.

[@avus-kw2f213]

@@sickzappybeef9209 but if women were drafted it could be 20 to 30 years so if you include the older in age and 15 year olds you will be in a great shape

[@izuk_btw4009]

@@sickzappybeef9209 why can’t we make a 50:50 ratio In men and women I the army? It can work as well?🧐

[@travissmith2848]

Equal rights should mean equal risks and responsibilities as well I'd think.

[@septegram]

No one should be drafted except if we're facing an actual existential threat.

[@igortytarenko9136]

that is what draft is for. If there will be existential threat - you will not have a choice to go to army or not; if your skill set will be needed in army, you will be told to get in.

[@adrianthoroughgood1191]

The last time anyone was drafted was 1973 for the Vietnam War.

[@Walczyk]

Yeah that is how it already works

[@pakman184]

@@Walczyk Last time I checked Vietnam was not an existential threat, seeing as it was a loss politically and militarily.

[@maple1010]

@@pakman184 yeah but the goverment feared if Vietnam fell to communism south east asia would also fall then soon India they didn’t fear Vietnam it’s self but if it was allowed to fall to communism

[@joeamerican3947]

Equal rights equal representation

[@izuk_btw4009]

Fax

[@aethlred7380]

You want to be treated equally you can be drafted equally. A woman can run over a hill and shoot a gun just like a man so draft her.

[@tovarish_kommandir]

they want equality... GIVE THEM SOME!!!

[@prateek99463]

All

[@endevour.4218]

They should, teaches them hiw hard a man’s life is

[@Indylimburg]

The question was "Should women be drafted?" The answered question was "Should women be allowed to serve?" They're totally separate.

[@kkwun4969]

Politician deflection, “misunderstood question” same thing. Hes just a propaganda source.

[@zacharyzuniga1599]

Agree, this guy knows exactly what he is doing.

[@angusmuir6180]

Except they're not, because the biggest argument against drafting women is typically that women can't serve effectively. It's even the argument being made by the Congressman in the tweet since he's talking about reducing standards.

[@jameswilliams1085]

Very interesting. I've never been against servicewomen and neither was my Father (ex British Army Colonel) but i do like how you explained yourself. Especially your views on people with college degrees.

[@CrackedPi]

We should not need army, but some idiots make it necessary.

[@sixoftwelve6363]

Nobody should be drafted. What the heck. Do they still do that in America? 😬

[@somerandommen]

Not really, there hasn't been a draft for several generations. But it's possible if something big happened.

[@maxturgidson568]

The only thing I would be worried about would be, if the military couldn’t place women in or wouldn’t or couldn’t get enough to pass training, it pushes ALL the drafted men into combat arms jobs. I was in a job that was slight majority women. It worked well. But we did have a dramatic deployment imbalance. Women couldn’t apply for a LOT (all?) of forward jobs.

[@TheAleatoriorandom]

But if only men are drafted basically those support roles are either empty or the men that have to fill them won't be able to figth. The end result is a smaller force, if a draft is needed that's a huge emergency (specially nowadays) so that probably isn't as concerning as just excluding half of the able bodied population from the draft.

[@CodaMission]

Regardless, I believe we should have a compulsory national service program for all genders.

[@grmpEqweer]

That's a good idea. You've got to make it accessible too.

[@CodaMission]

@@grmpEqweer My idea is that everyone should be required to serve the country in some capacity for a set number of years, but that this service should be wide and varied so that anyone can find a comfortable means to serve. Military, law enforcement, medical workers, and emergency response personnel should obviously qualify, but you could even throw in less conventional means of service like vital industry jobs and environmental cleanup. Less like a draft, more like community service

[@grmpEqweer]

@@CodaMission ...I like that.

[@CodaMission]

@@grmpEqweer I grew up in a military household, and one of the most alarming things I saw was the way the military promotes classicism. Military service is something mostly undertaken by the poorest Americans, or those with military heritage. What this means is that your family gets in to avoid poverty and stays in because its what you were raised on. That's how a military soceoeconomic class is born. A 5th estate: soldiers. It is incredibly dangerous to our democracy, and national service is something that should be a unifying force. During WWI, one of the most interesting consequences of the consolidation of military units like the 82nd "All American" infantry, was that if you brought Americans of all walks of life together, they bonded and felt like a national entity. It created compassion for each other.

[@grmpEqweer]

@@CodaMission Easy to send the children of the poor to go die in "adventures." ☹️

[@Gallalad1]

If there has to be a draft or conscription of any kind in any country it shouldn't discriminate based on sex. As you said its a waste of useful resources along with the fact women tend to excel in certain areas such as piloting. The aim of a military force is to win and if women's service helps achieve that goal then that's reason enough.

[@metasystem8625]

But women's uteruses will fall out when they're in a plane pulling high g's! /s

[@igortytarenko9136]

@@metasystem8625 draft doesn't mean that you will go into air force...

[@aurelien5747]

@@igortytarenko9136 just so you know the “/s” at the end of meta systems comment means sarcasm

[@phillyphakename1255]

I'm actually okay with sex discrimination when drafting soldiers, men and women are different physically, socially, skill-ly, so they would fill different niches of different sizes. That said, who is required to register for the draft is not the same as who is actually drafted. If we need more men, so be it, but we need equality for who has to sign up.

[@igortytarenko9136]

@@aurelien5747 oh. ok. will know. Thanks!

[@lazzyphoenixcrazy6408]

Certainly! I appreciate your thoughtful perspective on the role of women in warfare. Throughout Vietnamese history, women have indeed played significant roles in various capacities during times of conflict. From logistics and leadership to frontline combat, their contributions have been remarkable. For instance, during the Vietnam War, women served as soldiers, nurses, and even carried heavy ammunition to support the troops. In modern times, the transition for Western women to become soldiers can indeed be challenging. However, it’s essential to recognize that both men and women deserve respect. Women not being on the frontlines is not due to inability but rather considerations related to their unique capacity for childbirth. The question remains: who will replace those lost in battle? Now, let’s translate this passage into English while ensuring we capture all the essential points: I am from Vietnam, and I want to discuss the involvement of women in warfare. While it may seem somewhat unreasonable for women to participate directly in combat, it is not impossible. Throughout Vietnamese history, women have contributed significantly to war efforts in various roles and circumstances, including logistics, leadership, and frontline combat. Notably, during the Vietnam War, women served as soldiers, nurses, and even carried heavy ammunition to support the troops. In modern times, the sudden transition for Western women to become soldiers would indeed be a challenging process. However, it is crucial to acknowledge that both men and women deserve respect. Women’s absence from the frontlines is not due to inability but rather because of their unique capacity for childbirth. The question remains: who will replace those lost in battle?

[@paolociancio8764]

You said “behoove” and I snorted coffee out of my nose. Is that all military or just Marines that have really latched onto that word?

[@dereksherwood3794]

All branches. Hell, there's an entire hour long class at BNOC/WLC (whatever it's called now) to teach you how to integrate words like 'behoove', 'piggyback', 'caveat', and 'integrate' into your briefings! ... Okay, no there isn't, but it SEEMS like there is because we all use them semi-ironically. (Probably because some NCO before us did it when we were E-Nothings and we thought it was funny)

[@kedabro1957]

I noticed long ago that military men use big words in odd places. Like they didn't start reading high-level texts until they were 25. Not that 'behoove' is used oddly here. Its in the right place here. I am guessing it became popular with drill sergeants because the archaic formality of it lends a satisfying sarcasm to their threats. It implies a courtesy that absolutely will not exist if you hesitate to follow their suggestions.

[@BaltomanE46]

No one should be drafted. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk

[@dnakase]

You assume the Congressman has a mind to change. I wouldn't count on it.

[@-Bile-]

Aye

[@williamchamberlain2263]

Like sea squirts : once they settle into their seat they dissolve their brains to focus energy on filter feeding.

[@dragonflyradio127]

Women having the right to vote but not being eligible for the draft seems like a clarity. Oversight on the path to equality. It's especially profound that they may constitute a majority of voters and thus the ability to decide whether or not people who aren't. They're involved in a war against their choosing it's pretty grim actually

[@Ray_Mac]

"Seek equality in freedom, not in tyranny." Women in the military, fine by me. Forcing women (or anyone) into the military via the draft? Not so much

[@tg13fire]

Theres a big difference between following your own moral code and a nation on it's last breath. Drafts are very necessary

[@goranpersson7726]

But men should be forced? Also if your answer is that there shouldn't be a draft what's your thoughts on what the us(in this case) should do if they got invaded (unlikely but not impossible) roll over and accept the new management?

[@anaklngameplayer2549]

@@tg13fire please tell me the last time the United States of America was on its last breath? We drafted during Vietnam. You really think some rice farmers in a jungle threatened the American way of life? Please see a doctor to get that boot out of your throat

[@anaklngameplayer2549]

@@goranpersson7726 my guy if you think America is ever going to be invaded you should look at the Ukrainian War a city a quarter the size of New York City took over 3 months to be taken by a "modern" military. We are completely past the point as a global Society to ever truly invade any big industrialized Nation.

[@tg13fire]

@@anaklngameplayer2549 you seem to forgot all the other wars. And sure let women fight. I'm sure thell do just as good. And the us will not need a draft but Russia will probably have too. That Is a powerful nation failing to take ukraine. If your going to change the world with your ideology then you can't just focus on your local concerns there are other people in the world.

[@jrvanstavern]

Should women be drafted….. YES They get to vote don’t they.

[@dietrichvarez1720]

I say…F***. The Draft Just don’t go!

[@sailorbychoice1]

I'm retired military. There wasn't a draft when I went in, but my older brother did get drafted (in the last number drawn for the Vietnam era) and I have always been torn about the draft. I was also navy which never has drafted people (hence the meaning of Navy = Never Again Volunteer Yourself). The way they conducted the draft in the Vietnam Era was horrid, if your father had money you got deferred or got sent to college~ so we wound up with a military made up of lower middle class and the poor. Very Undemocratic if you ask me... I have always maintained that either _Everyone_ should be drafted or _No One_ should be, and if there is a draft that _Everyone_ needed to participate in, anyone who gets deferred should become ineligible for _ANY_ government job or service, including working for any company that relies on the government to do business. I never had much use for those who dodged the draft, but the draft was conducted so unequally I have come to understand why some skipped to Canada. I disagreed with President Carter when he pardoned them. I think they should have been pardoned after they agreed to serve a term in uniform or stay in fxxxxxx Canada.

[@catc8927]

I always thought it would only be fair to draft women too. You’d think they would have been persuaded by super effective WWII programs like the WASPs.

[@DreadPirateRoberts121]

Ah yes, men shouldn’t be the only people that have to bear the burden of imprisonment and loss of rights if they don’t comply with selective service

[@computermaster124816]

No. No one should be drafted. Screw the draft!

[@metallurgy3586]

Don't expect everyone else to protect you then.

[@mitri5389]

​@@metallurgy3586protect from what exactly the the north Vietnamese? Just like last time?

[@Anthony-dj4nd]

Yes. Equality. Put them right on the front line 🫵🇺🇲

[@brianransom16]

Marines also did a 30 million dollar study showing women are not as combat effective as all male squads.

[@cee3]

I like how people just ignore this report now.

[@brianransom16]

@@cee3 facts over feelings

[@TheCuz28]

Equal rights means they have to be entered in the draft.

[@prateek99463]

Facts!

[@drewpamon]

I'll agree to that when you have an equal right to be pregnant

[@prateek99463]

@@drewpamonthey will be drafted doesn't matter they're pregnant or having periods. Stop defending them

[@sneakyfishiix8014]

@@prateek99463 I imagine your of the mind that men shouldn't have to pay child support even though they decided to walk out i'll support drafting women when absentee dads get criminal charges.

[@prateek99463]

@@sneakyfishiix8014 no. Women should be drafted, especially western women.

[@bruteht4655]

Any feminists who has ever said "I dont need no man". Should me drafted

[@tylerhardie6984]

Honestly any women who wants equality.

[@dang1099]

Who has said this? We are human, we ALL need each other. Thats literally how society works. No one does everything theirselves.

[@lostonearth7856]

​@@tylerhardie6984 Feminists in the 1970 - 80s supported the ERA with included a part that would conscript Woman. This bill was blocked by the Republicans because Woman, but also Woman who were not feminists.

[@patrickthebutcher]

1971 called... They Want their misogyny back

[@bruteht4655]

@patrickthebutcher 1971 feminism is the problem. Just remember feminism doesn't need a white knight Patrick.

[@Allmightygreat]

“These Clowns draft women” says the clown

[@Shimmy_Goldstein]

At this point most people shouldn't be drafted as the majority won't pass the bare minimum requirements necessary to not get you or your team killed in the first three seconds of battle.

[@abelsm6270]

“So what’s your degree” “Gender stu- hello? hello?” **Dial tone**

[@drewkim6389]

Dave Chappelle?

[@JohnnyStrelok]

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[@callusklaus2413]

The most common majors for women are in medicine and business.

[@thefaboo]

Gender studies might actually be real important for that Afghan unit he mentioned

[@grooveclubhouse]

"We want to be equal." **Draft card arrives** "NoT tHaT eQuAl!!!!" lol.

[@superbeltman6197]

Actually we shouldn’t draft anyone

[@rholmst]

Privilege of citizenship = responsibility of citizenship Of course women should be drafted! They’ve had a free ride for 100 years. If they don’t want to be subjected to Selective Service, then they need to campaign to repeal the 19th Amendment.