Should You Block Attacks in Wing Chun?

We are opening up a discussion to see if you think Wing Chun blocks attacks or not.
Please keep in mind that everyone trains differently and I don't think there is a wrong answer since it's all based on personal experiences. But I would love to hear your opinions in the comment section below.
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[@seasickviking]

I've always seen Wing Chun, Tuishou and Bartitsu as having admittedly simplistic yet similar philosophies: Why block when all you need is a slight shift?

[@bigalf9999]

voa

[@xXDDKJefferyXx]

excatly redirect or defang never block

[@om-qz7kp]

The statement on thebshift seems to me more relatable to boxing tbh

[@Lordradost]

Wing Chun has incredible economy of motion. My teachers always said jokingly "why block when you can attack?" I've been lucky to learn from teachers with a varied MA background, practicing against and learning a range of non-WT attacks. Kali also blends well with WT. Most schools I've tried WT at though, teach soft and impractical single minded WT approaches.

[@lindafoxwood78]

A friend of my father taught me Wing Chun when I was 13 years old. My teacher, Mr. Chin, was arrested in 1965 for 7 counts of attempted murder in Fayetteville, NC after getting in a fight with 7 Army guys from the 82nd Airborne. The next day while in jail, General Westmoreland talked my Wing Chun teacher into joining the Army and all charges would be dropped! The only thing this 18 year old was asked to do? "Train my men to fight like you do." said the General. Mr. Chin told me, "Today I can not longer be your teacher. You have learned everything I know." That was the day I matched him in a fight after 3 years of training. He said I was his only student that he had ever had. Years later I served in the Army and during the Gulf War. I still teach: one student at a time, then I move on. All for the memory of my friend.

[@padraigin2929]

stop the cap

[@Scorpion11x_]

And then everyone clapped

[@chaxologist2961]

You know the saying: Make em miss, make em pay! 1st line of defense is always Footwork (includes leg interceptions and checks) and Positioning relative to the opponent, 2nd line is the Head/Body movement and finally, the 3rd line is the Hand Blocks, Leg Checks! Why do you think the best fighters in the world with the best records (i.e. Floyd Mayweather, Muhammad Ali, Charley Burley for boxers and Saenchai, Somrak Khamsing and Lerdsilla (the one with 100 fight win-streak) for Muay Thai) are also the best in their game? The answer is they prioritize their footwork and head/body movement first before their hand blockings which is the last resort, explaining why they fight with primarily hands-low style which also grants them superb vision over their opponents! As a BONUS EXAMPLE: How did Kaoklai Kaennorsing, known as the Muay Thai Giant Slayer (who only weighed around 160 pounds), successfully KO'ed the giant kickboxer Mighty Mo (who outweighed him by over 100 pounds!) and won over a the colossal heavyweight kickboxer Alexey Ignashov (who weighed 260 pounds) (keep in mind that these are ELITE LEVEL HEAVYWEIGHT PRO KICKBOXERS) as well as easily defeating and toying with a Taekwondo Heavyweight Champion Yong Soo-Park (who weighed 250 pounds)? The answer is sublime footwork and head movement with a hands-low, evasive style with flawless counter-attacks! Think of the aforementioned lines of defenses as an analogy to a tree: 1. The root of the tree represents the foundation and source of life (i.e. drawing water from the ground) which correlates to the Footwork/Positioning in space (i.e. drawing and generating power from the ground for attacking/defending/evasive purposes!) 2. The trunk of the tree correlates to the body and head which helps to supply its life functions to which its sways translates to dodging attacks and strikes (i.e. by turning a direct blow into a glancing blow through making your body/head target area smaller through angles). 3. The branches of the tree correlates to the hands and arms of the tree which means blocking anything that comes near it (i.e. via thorns from predators). So in conclusion, the most important structure for a tree is its roots, representing footwork and positioning in space which is the number one foundation in the art of self defense and fighting, alike!

[@xeamanforoiyd52]

What a phenomenal insight! Too bad the video maker never recognized or love this comment for all its invaluable worth!

[@darthclone7]

i agree! however Floyd acctualy uses the high gaurd more, but highlight reels is usually filled with hands low footage

[@bilwit]

@@xeamanforoiyd52 it's an interesting point but it's tangential, the video is specifically about wing chun

[@wingchun-sc]

Good stuff as always. I understanding giving folk an out - saying that it depends on their lineage. However, the Kuen Kuit (Meet what enters, Escort it away, fill the gap), basically says what you are saying - Wing Chun does not block. It meets the incoming force, sticks to it and ESCORTS (guides) it Away. That's deflection, redirection. Good stuff.

[@ecnivmarng7163]

來留去送loi lau hui sung， is the code

[@JackShen]

WC helped me in all other training. During WC I was also doing a lot of kali / silat, yeah it was a modernized system, and doing some handgun training. WC gave me the base to be able to translate over to all those other things quicker than a lot of the guys that came from other backgrounds, Didn't help me as much in grappling though, other than making it a little harder to get a quick takedown on me. But now I'm older and out of shape, so I just fall over lol

[@abdulmuhammad-md7xi]

this is what attracted me to wing chun, i prefer to deflect or parry because i do not like fighting, this way i can run away, i learned that we learn martial arts so that we do not have to fight, it's about self control, control the mind, being responsible, or defend your body if needed. this is a mental thing for me, when someone verbally sends me attack, i use my words to deflect or parry their energy the same way, this way i win the fight in my mind not with my body unless i have to defend to protect my body. their energy comes back at them verbally or physically. i rather not block and get hit, just like id rather not let verbal abuse hurt me. marital arts is mental expression when it comes out physically through the body, i to strengthen the mind body connection as one, the mind is the body, health and wellness, no to beat on others.

[@potatointhesky1232]

Very good channel. Very informative. Good work Kevin 👍

[@jerrydmann]

Great video. Well explained concepts.

[@chrisrichards3280]

Awesome video. I study Wing Chun in England and it's cool to see how you think about techniques. Our is style is a lot tougher than other styles due to our hard blocks but it's cool to see you discuss this!

[@kaybee8950]

Good job, I really like how you discuss how Wing Chun can be applied to Clinch in MT

[@XXNerdzillaXX]

I studied karate.. but my sensei also taught sticky hands, or chi sao. Plus my aunt studied wing chun. And that was by far one of the most useful things I ever learned. And chi sao is SOOOO useful when grappling!!!

[@davidcdun8896]

When you split the middle with the Tangsao parry, you twist the forearm, the twist itself is actually the guiding motion, guiding the incoming attack to go past you and your centerline. The same with the Bongsao guiding parry, the twisting forearm motion is to guide the incoming attack to go past you. Love you demostration on the splitting the middle. So, should I block in Wing Chun?? No, Wing Chun isn't for blocking (force against force). Wing Chun is for guiding the incoming force, and counter at the same time. So, balance between defense and offense is equally important.

[@IAmTheMegaMan]

I trained my students to attack movement as much as possible. If they kick, kick the kick, if they punch, attack the arm, if they step back, step in, etc. The mindset I tried to teach was to be very aggressive and attract all movement as much as possible.

[@benitohermano4595]

Came here from Sensei's vid Gotta say, from your old vids, keyboard mma "experts" who prolly doesn't even fight are prevelant. Gotta say, love how you explain the principles and it's practicality. For now, I'll be using it to my unsuspecting younger brother (this a joke, I'll try making a routine for training with application of wing chun) Love your vids keep it up!

[@randallmcgrath9345]

Exactly. Ive actuslly sparred someone skilled in WC and it definitely works in a real fight. But still, lots of Americans still dont take it serious for some reason.

[@pag1826]

The way you teach WC is how it should always be taught. Thanks for the great content.

[@gw1357]

I think your stuff is excellent. I agree with your distinctions on block (force vs force), deflect (redirection of force), and interception (preemption of force). I would also add one more defensive aspect to those three -- evasion (avoiding force) which includes bobbing, weaving, slipping, etc. It is interesting to me that not only does Wing Chun not have blocks. It also does not do any evasion. its entirely (or almost entirely) focused on deflecting and intercepting -- which is of course why its exercises (chi sao) spend so much time on sensitivity...because sensitivity is the key prerequisite for deflection. The sensitivity gives you the information you need to reflex into the right body alignment. I think that's one of the interesting things about JKD is the way it adds the evasion from boxing to the deflection and interception from Wing Chun.

[@KevinLeeVlog]

For sure! I think the main difference is that (according to my Sifu) Wing Chun primarily focus on finishing the fight fast. Perhaps that’s why WC strikes on lethal areas. Also it could be hard to evade in close range.

[@gw1357]

@@KevinLeeVlog It always seemed to me that Wing Chun was made for really close quarters with hard, wet footing, like you find in the urban areas of southern China. In that context, I think it makes sense for WC to choose to crash the line instead of trying to bob and weave. Still I think the integration of evasive movement with trapping is one of the reasons I prefer JKD to traditional WC.

[@RaulDeFuego]

Hello , greetings Mr.Kevin Lee . Well here it is that you was right with everything you spoke about on the differences between the categories of a solid block vs deflecting from a parry or the other variations of deflections etc. along with as you said according to which lineage is who taught the person due to their viewpoint of how to atend certain particular attacks will be the responsive counterattack , but all Wing Chun are correct with their viewpoint to attack/punch simultaneously as they see fit in their choice of what to do according to what is happening within the type of attack the are receiving etc. . So yes you was right with how you described the topic you placed on the table of discussion . So take care Mr. Kevin Lee . 👋🏼🤝🏻👌🏼💪🏼😇

[@RageNg]

Kevin, I have a couple questions, specific to WC. You mentioned Blocking and deflecting, and I believe you also mentioned intercepting. Is there evasion ( like slipping & weaving) also, what about destructions? I enjoy your work. 👍

[@anonperson3972]

I was taught to block by my dad (karate black belt) as a kid and used it in a fight with an Irish traveller kid (been boxing since he was a toddler). I was doing great at blocking his punches. But couldn't get off the back foot, then got hooked. These days I much prefer deflection, moving and countering.

[@johnelliott9823]

My acquaintance with Wing Chun has been mostly what I read as it was not commonly available where I lived, but I did once get into an impromptu sparring match at a party (his idea) with a guy who said he was learning Emin Boztepe style. Not a lot of deflecting on his part though - he just tried to hit me. I think centerline theory as I understand it is anatomy based - my right fist will rarely go left of my centerline - which makes it a universal truth in H2H combat in my book. I saw your video with Seth which I found very interesting so I subscribed, but I had a question. I was wondering how WC deflection works against non-ballistic arm movements where the energy put in might not be a lot - like grip fighting, say. Little did I expect to get a video speaking to that. This was a real education about wing chun theory for me and a pleasure to watch! Reminds me of some Russian stuff I picked up in TO - universal truths, similar conclusions What, no Patreon? No join? What's going on?

[@ramondiaz2851]

Mskes sense!! Thank you for the education!!

[@martinwinter615]

Saw your video - your explanation was really great - sub and like

[@andreonofre2625]

Very good explanation, Sihing Kevin.

[@KevinLeeVlog]

🤙🏼🤙🏼🤙🏼

[@taoizt3846]

A block is always slower than a direct attack, and actually it can be both. A deflecting ‘block’ combined with a direct hit is perfect. In silat styles i’ve seen it used very effective to the point that a single block from my teacher on the arm (with the bones, not the muscles) of another martial artist made him sick and dizzy and he had to sit down to recover. However good footwork and direct hits always beats a block. The effectiveness of a hard block (or gunting) also depends on the mental state of the opponent and in a street fight he might be on drugs which can completely nullify the pain of such blocks. A nice tool but it never should be the end-goal. I remember an old friend always saying ‘go for the computer i.e. the head’

[@Aniontedone]

Mastering the four gates is important as well as proficiency in using the upper and lower triangles in defense and offense.

[@jeffbisscrx]

In the early to mid 1980s I practiced Chuka Teung Lung, that's the transliteration, that I see as being very similar to Wing Chung, from the deflections to the stance to the space, we just never used the dummy. My sifu, Mr. Wong, went back to Hong Kong in the 90s and died of cancer. Now I can't ask anyone if there was a connection between it and Wing Chun. Thanks for this!

[@mandela7147]

the three systems based on difficulty Blocking Rolling Parrying

[@3rr0b50]

Great Video, but I have a question. I'm training VT and there are so many variations of VT/WT/WC but what's the difference? My Sifu said that WC does not focus that much on your center line than VT does. I am very curious about VT/WC and want to gather some information.

[@game9848]

My former WCK has a similar height and built like you Sifu Kevin. I'm 6'5" and over 300ibs. I can see why I have a better option to block a boxer's punch, or a Thai Boxer's Kick.

[@bakters]

That's exactly how I've been taught. The way he moves when he demonstrates the forces involved - that's it. Aggressive, in your face. unrelenting. Do that. Technique helps, but structure and attitude wins.

[@drtaverner]

Sigung told me! "Your kung-fu should be a summer storm. It should explode out of nowhere and then disappear."

[@mr.e8226]

What about the 4 corners drill? and I like how Light Burly uses Wing Chung concepts in his 52 Blocks boxing defense system

[@todaysdeals.indiaofficial1540]

Make more wing chun tutorials , wooden dummy tutorials . Love your content ❤️

[@KevinLeeVlog]

Will make that in near future! Thank you!

[@jenskunze4384]

Mr. Lee your words about the principle of this "Lego Game", the game about winning space is spot on! I like the ideas and would maybe if allowed suggest to meet the content creator IcyMike. With your two similar knowledge/background of Muay Thai etc. it could be very interesting to exchange this thoughts and maybe demonstrate/proof it?! Just an idea for further content, but it is just an idea. Thank you for your opinion in Wing Chun as well the other content you do like with Sensei Seth.

[@KevinLeeVlog]

Actually we have been talking! I just gotta make a trip to see him!

[@jenskunze4384]

@@KevinLeeVlog that are great news. Thank you. To your further questions of the blocks. We learned it more like a block first and slowly then with the higher form to use the hips more. But most important the mentally training and such was bad. We were told after 3 months to knock out boxers. As if! The teaching is so important! To let people like me see why we do movements. To know there are higher techniques that build on, but i did not had this. My background: Well i started Wing Chun 2007 in China. Beijing to be exact. Came then after 3 months back to Germany to start in a schook of an certain organisation. I lost the fun with it because you were very limited to your ranks and had to pay so much to get tested. Even for student degrees. After this i got to Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu because i wanted to do something with ground work/grabbling too. Now i am doing Shorin Ryu Karate and i must say i feel at home! It has some/many things in common with Wing Chun like footwork. It has the same roots in White Krane Wushu. Xie xie/arigato/thank you Mr. Lee and all others for their time and attention.

[@Simon2k17]

That's why most houses are triangles. It cuts through the snow and rain allowing it to fall to the side. A few things I want to highlight. First, if your opponent has fast overwhelming combinations or you're injured, sometimes covering is your best option. Second, all wing chun lineages teach deflection, but few teach footwork that is fast enough to cut in and take advantage of the openings. Good video. I approve.

[@rioangel8397]

I agree.

[@tsengik]

When I'm fighting someone too big or fast to be vulnerable to any forward pressure I place on them, I end up having to block close to my body or head with the opposite hand while striking. Like tan da or guan da except I'm not gambling with bringing my hand down or away.

[@warlockiii1846]

Using this with other martial arts, even very basic ones like boxing is absolutely op What ended up happening to me was that I started to punch my opponents jab away and answerin with a horizontal hammer fist/ back fist. Pretty fun stuff

[@ramondiaz2851]

Your fourth stage in your category should be Evasion ( head movement)!! Very advanced!! Of course no defense really works well without FOOTWORK!!whether you parry or block !

[@saintronin7633]

If there's one thing the Chum Kiu taught me, I gotta find a way to be intimate with my opponent to mitigate acceleration of strikes. If I intend to block, I should absorb less than what my opponent intends to give me.

[@KevinLeeVlog]

Totally! That’s why I think deflection and/or intercepting is more ideal.

[@chiappinkius6099]

I always struggled to understand how to apply efficiently the concept of feeling and deflecting the power and the force of the opponent... it is always teached using pushes because you can fell them... but punches are harder to feel because very often they don't give you the time to see them, intercept them, fell them, deflect them, because they arrive and go back immediatly.... what kind of exercise can upgrade this skill to that level?

[@xeamanforoiyd52]

FYI, punchers and wrestlers are the worst nightmares for Wing Chun. It may have borrowed techniques from classical bare knuckle Pugilism but the latter's wrestling and punching techniques are far too superior. Wing Chun is only designed to fight in trapping range when an opponent grabs the hands and arms and nothing else. Once the opponent grabs behind the neck or wrestles past the arm frame, its game over for all that feeling and defelecting the force of the opponent! Wrestlers are designed to squash the process of feeling and deflecting power of the opponent and punchers are designed to negate any of the feeling of Wing Chun which is which is why Boxing always defeats Wing Chun! Now, a puncher and wrestler combination is the absolute worst nightmare for any Wing Chun and it will all go out the window into kaput!

[@wilfredolopez5375]

You are spot on. I learned wing Chun since 1972 and it is exactly the way you described it. Nice job.

[@greecostyler]

the problem is most wing chun practisioner dont understand way of overbrake the distance instead ok kicking they try with man sao wu sao to stop the opponent instead of just attacking straight they block punches with bong sao? instead of just hit.

[@kanyamagaraabdallah8300]

bravo

[@JKDVIPER]

3:19 I think the key thing here is, the difference between the two. 1. INSTEAD OF BLOCKING “In WING CHUN we see an opportunity to hit rather than block. So a block is a waste of a good hit. 💥😉🙏 the helping hands, by nature, are deflection and “COLLECTION” hands. But the feet can be utilized as well. 💥🙏💯in my JKD. We use PAK SAO JIK DUM TEK as a stop hit. We BUI GEE the hand and kick the hip. ㊙️🤛meaning.... we score on your eye when you allow the soldiers (hands) to leave the castle. (Head) 🤛💯💥

[@matsandersen6119]

You have a fresh view of wing chun

[@LMPS5]

i have zero idea in fighting styles or even fighting. but Wing Chun seems to me as a tool to teach you how to misdirect your opponent's flow. but the main aim is to minimize your route to hit the opponent

[@ramondiaz2851]

Or shield!! Also blocking just a fancy way to say it in boxing!!

[@OmegaSupremeWCheese]

I think I was taught a deflection is a block, so Tan, Pak, and Bong are all used as blocks. Bong and Kwon are your best emergency or "oh shit" blocks "real blocks" not deflections. I agree with your argument on deflections and see where you're coming from. I don't think we're disagreeing I think it's just a semantics argument on how you define a block. And it's great that you cross-train in other arts to cover the holes that WC has or at least give you exposure. I think there are so many (read most) Sifu who are teaching Wing Chun but have never gotten into a fight or at least never sparred with someone from outside of WC, so their WC looks pretty and fancy like a Donny Yen movie, which is unrealistic, I kind of always thought of Wing Chun used correctly should look like a hockey fight, you're grabbing, pushing, pulling, trapping while taking your shots and keeping them off-balanced, and if they're off-balanced then they can't effectively attack, which to your point if done right you don't have to worry about blocking. Good Vid man, keep it up, you and Sifu Francis do great work. I honestly haven't liked a lot of WC out there, but I have always liked the stuff you do.

[@MarioLamRedRebel]

Way of the intersepting fist 🥋 OSU 🙏

[@ragingfire222goodlookingga7]

Yknow not to self boost… but peekaboo and wingtsun works because of how close u need to be to the opponent for it to work

[@wushuhsu]

You're giving all our secrets away!

[@borgy7085]

Watched your video again, maybe the question is more like HOW TO BRIDGE, because if you go in with a chainpunch, and hope bridge gona happen, you will get hook punched really fast against a good boxer...He will step out, lead hook, bamm... So I think it more of a question of... CAN WE CHACE HANDS? Because without 0 hand chace, there is no bridge, no control, just hope your punches hit first, and your tan sau will never meet a lead hook without your hand leaving your centerline, only if you make a big turn... So basicly, in some siuation yes, you can go in straight, but only if you are sure, you can intercept, or really fast, and worst case you need to clean some hands... BUT what if the fake a jab, step in a angle, and lead hook you? If you are already in movement straight, big chance you are finished, you found no bridge, no hit, no control, no chi sau... BUT if you try to recive the energy first, you need to chace hands to some level, until you are sure, you can go in... So what is considered chasing hands? Is it chacing hands, if you spear in you tan sau into a hook punch with a turn, and hit with your other arm at the same time? Because probably your tan sau hand would point outside of his centerline, and make contact with his elbow or wrist... You can step in straight, trying to fak sau, is biu jee, whatevere into his hook, if you have good timing, and hit at the same time, but still if it is a straight, not a hook, it can slip in between your arms, realtively ez... You need cover, or you need footwork, reach at least one hand, before you go in, or you need to suckerpunch the guy, intercept, the wing chun way... I THINK!!! What is your opinion on chacing hands? I think it is a bit stupid concept, before you have a bridge, specially against hooks... Ofcoures, if you are in, you have bridge, you just need to flow forward with strikes, but before?

[@gus4u2c]

Great to see Captain America # 100, in the background

[@disobedienttiger6240]

Based on your definitions, there are very few blocks in the various styles of karate. They all very much emphasize deflecting offline rather than absorbing the hit.

[@ManuelRodriguez-ot2ii]

He said Karate does not emphasize deflecting, Wing Chun does.

[@yip2454]

Why do most wing chun school dont spar and all they do is chi sao is what i wanna know. this art could be brought to the next level.

[@KevinLeeVlog]

I wonder why too. lol

[@OmegaSupremeWCheese]

LOL. You just asked the question you're not supposed to ask. Many WC schools are chi sao factories that get you wrapped up in the magic and mystery of chi sao, and you never see a real punch until it's too late and realize you have no idea how to close distance without being KO'd.

[@urinater]

My Wing Chun Sifu (also named Kevin) told me that your body and arms should be like a turnstile. Where your arms deflect the force away from your centre line. Shout out to Sifu Kevin Chan in London.

[@maxkim7937]

this "deflecting" we see in wing chun fascinates me. i learned tkd and kendo when i was a kid in korea. the problem i saw with tkd is that the forms show what seems to be deflecting and grabbing movements yet we called them blocks. for example, with our arms facing forward, we turn with our hips then follow that with a strike or a grab. idk, that sounds like a deflection to me, yet we called these "block and then ____" when it should really be "redirect the attack so you can ____" . we borrowed the word "block" from boxing and just ran with it instead of realizing these are two very different things. since we don't use the word block in kendo, it was easier for me to realize, these weren't blocks at all... when the swords buckle, that's not a block. that's closing the distance and we are basically doing sticky hands. we redirect from there to attack. when attacking from afar, we use the ends of the sword to redirect/deflect the attack so we are at a more advantageous position to attack. so when you apply that logic to tkd forms, well what do you know, we're deflecting all day. so i feel like traditional martial arts need to look at the forms with a stronger emphasis on what these movements actually are for so we can discover some real uses for all the stuff that we dismissed as useless. we lost most of them through a long game of telephone... and different branches of the same martial art disagreeing with each other on what's what. resulting in different martial arts ending up looking very similar to each other because we aren't using the most of the forms' applications...

[@KevinLeeVlog]

Spot on!

[@pmlml9788]

Merci beaucoup pour votre travail. J'ai trouvé très simple et clair à apprendre et comprendre. ( je suis très novice et débutant côté art martiaux...) Merci et bonne continuité à vous. Bravo et sincère merci c'est rassurant et très appréciée.

[@stephenwillis744]

Any videos of wing chun actually being used in a fight?

[@AnthonyTerrellCrockett]

Hi love the explanation. I train Karate and aim to deflect as, uki mean to receive, and change my angle at the same time. But I have trouble redirecting a back leg round house kick and getting to the opponents outside. The options I have is backing way out and loosing space or going in and putting up a shield while I do so then attacking immediately. In Wing Chung what method do you have to deal with thr round house kick? Thanks 😊

[@AJJ129]

very philosophical very concepts and principles, it's like geometry

[@saintronin7633]

I can't seem to find your Wooden Dummy tutorials in your channel. If it is not troublesome, can you/anyone please give me a link to it? Appreciate it.

[@KevinLeeVlog]

Haven’t make anything regarding to the wooden dummy yet. But I will soon!

[@saintronin7633]

@@KevinLeeVlog Awesome! I do have wooden dummy at home (built for a big guy like me trying to excel on "in-fighting") and I sure could use a guide. All I have been doing is freestyle. Thanks for taking the time to even reply to my comment, appreciate it.

[@KevinLeeVlog]

@@saintronin7633 anytime! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@me82sjm]

I would say the idea with wing chun is not to block because that lacks control. The point of using wing chun is as much control as possible so you know where their hand or arm or leg or body are going to go as you use it. You're using it against them to create openings

[@JKDVIPER]

#viperjkd “We support you!” 🐉

[@Ordinary-Hendrik]

Kevin, what you present is Wing Chun version 1960. Ancient Wing Chun is a very complete different art

[@enricodaniele4877]

I love wing chun

[@aaronarostegui3298]

For practicing wing Chun for so long you come find defence and offensive are both the same

[@zandig666]

I have those white drawers lol

[@drtaverner]

Blocks in other martial arts I've trained are very much blocks as opposed to just getting the opponent's energy out of my centre-line area.

[@GravyTraining]

Great video, but the music was a bit too loud and made it distracting!

[@wayneschoeberl992]

The same is Hapkido, they don't meet force with force, let the force past you, and even help them increase their force, against themselves, so your not alone. I like Wing Chun , Hapkido, and Jujitsu.

[@JayLoc0042]

How do you counter a pak sao? With a pak sao?

[@KevinLeeVlog]

Depends, usually with Tan Sao to deflect the force. 😅

[@thevillageyid]

Would a darting, palm down fook sau work?

[@GravyTraining]

Your description about center lines and start, middle, and end could be transposed into a Chess documentary and still apply. Very cool!

[@KevinLeeVlog]

Wing Chun is just playing chess. Except I suck at Chess. 🤣😅

[@GravyTraining]

@@KevinLeeVlog Definitely the only battle with you I'd stand a chance at! Great stuff!

[@aamvoor]

The paksau and the buisau block and deflect at the sametime. I use these moves to block while boxing and sometime to deflect and step in.

[@KevinLeeVlog]

That’s awesome!! I love using Pak Sau in sparring just to mess around with my opponent. 😅

[@8bitromania263]

actually there is....bong sau together with pak sau, there is no way any kick can go through bong sau with pak sau

[@IbrahimKhalil-bt9yh]

This video would've been a real good one if you had a partner to demonstrate each point on. I hope you do this video again but with someone to demonstrate on

[@shadowfighter6445]

I did JKD for only a few months, but I believe I was taught something similar. When I started training BJJ I started to use some trapping concepts for grappling everytime I roll with someone. I wasn't that well versed in much trapping, I mostly used Pak Sao. Thank you for sharing ☺️.

[@marchingbandnerd8653]

In summary, in wing chun there is no move that stops the force of an attack, there are only moves that disrupt the force of an attack

[@vincenthyman895]

Because I know very little about wing chun, I incorporate the sensitivity that you learn from chi sao to allow you to either be on time or ahead of time when you feel force from the persons arms or body. If you are late, you are put into a defensive mode. As to Guru Kevin’s discussion and these comments, Wing Chun operates from a concept that most times you will be facing a larger or stronger opponent so if you are in the habit of blocking what happens when the force is so strong that it overcomes your structure what do you do. You have to learn how to deflect to redirect the force that will allow you to counter attack or survive the situation. Lastly, unless you understand the concepts/attributes that the 3 forms are trying to imbed in your muscle memory, you are just practicing an art. In other words form without correct application is just an art and will get you hurt on the street. Everyone out there be blessed and safe out there.

[@xXDDKJefferyXx]

just like kali and karate THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A BLOCK!. you either redirect the stirke or you attack it (aka defang the snake)

[@xXDDKJefferyXx]

a guard is not a block..... and your 3 catergories are all redirect or attack so agian not a block you dont block with any of the sticky or trapping hands...even your slapping hand is an attack...you guard but not block any martial arts that teaches blocks is modern and either too far removed from the martial arts it claims as its roots as not to be that arts at all or is a scam McDojo

[@gonullerbirligi2550]

Hello ❤️❤️👍👍👍👍

[@thevillageyid]

I guess if you want to simplify it all, you're just avoiding being hit. XD

[@borgy7085]

No question for me, Wing Chun lacks blocking very much, or let's say COVER!!! If it is street situation, it can be okay to try to just straight punch the guy, but what if one hit not enough, or the guy step away, and start boxing, whatever!!! In my eyes, Ip Man Wing Chun has basicly no blocks! Every move is just intercepted punch!!! You literally just move forward, punch, palm strike, whatever, and Bong, Tan, Fook, happen only, if something stoped your punch!!! However!!! Wing Chun aswell kicks to the knees, has techniques to deflect leg kicks, etc... In other words, it ha "catching" techniques aswell... Some schools actually teach you to MAKE A BRIDGE, contact first, THEN strike, after manipulation, because manipulation of the opponents body mass, IS part of many Wing Chun schools... Maybe not all, but some bong sau type is actually for offbalancing your opponent, when his hands on top, but u can use bong momentary to roll over his hands, and continue to strike, OR to jam his hands, turn the guy, or even just push him back! So it is a bit confusing... Right? XD Actually depends on the school too!!! BUT most underrated Wing Chun skill in my eyes, making your opponent offbalance! You can do this using angles, steps, leverage, HIS force, etc... BUT the main idea is offbalance first, THEN HIT!!! Others goals to clear the hands, or go around, and some would focus on intercepting!!! There are also 1:1 straight out self defense applications of the forms, how to make your hand free, how to come back to center, or how to side kick someone, attacking from the side, or fak sau them, before turn. Hard to say, because honest Ip Man students tell you, he actually did not teach them how to really fight!!! They were almost 100 percent just Chi Sau!!! At least Hawkins Cheung, Tsui Sheung Tin, Whong Shun Leung, etc... The training was 99 percent based on CHI SAU!!! To keep it simple, classic, old school Ip Man Chi sau, was all about the Forward triangle!!! Do you have that, or not!!! And actually, you should be able to stand any forward force, at least in chi sau! That is the only direction, Wing Chun (can) teaches you to be a able to resist, that is why the FACING concept in my opinion... Wing chun do not resist sideway preassure, not on the lower arm for sure... Should no matter the size, but ofcourse, you need perfect form!!! Students did not see IP MAN stepping back even once!!! Actually the most close to this, I think is Tsui Sheung Tins Wing Chun. He is teaching too, not to block or antyhing, just hit through, no matter what, and offblancing, chi sau kinda movements, happen only momentarly, you should see almost just a strike... It can be legs, arms, or arms after legs, etc... So anyway, this is a question for me too, specially if we talk about hook punches, etc... beacuse anyone spared, knows, wing chun straight punch is NOT a solution itself against a boxers lead hook... CAN BE but it is REALLY HARD to pull off!!! So yea... I think Wing Chun is Unique, because of chi sau, but you need to get in position for that!!! The question is, what works in real life best? 1., Trying to just HIT straight, intercept? But how you step? Straight? Angle? With only shifting, you can shift to a hook punch EZ.... But then what is the form for? For other self defense kinda situations like I mentioned? Teachnig for concepts, like how to put your hand on center from side position, or if you pull back one arm, other should shoot out? I do not think this is answare, beacuse Wing Chun form IN MY EYES actually teaching you 90 percent ENERGY GENERATION not really techniques or in another words, applications, and the rest is concepts... 2., Trying to HIT then clear his hands, legs if needed, steping forward in angles etc? 3.,Trying to HIT and offbalance them if contact happens, while you continue striking? 4., The same trying to hit, but offbalance at the same time? Like Tsui Sheung Tin concepts? (he says, and demonstares stuff, where does not matter how you resist, his moves go through) 5., Should you get into chi sau mode first, find a bridge with a pak sau or something? Some already consider that "blocking", or chaisng hands!!! 6., Should you CHASE a hand, get into chi sau mode, offbalance them first, then attack? 7., Should you CHASE a hand, get into chi sau mode, just go around the hands, or step around their structure? Actually in my eyes Wing Chun has some great tools, BUT you should learn to COVER, if you are out of control!!! Wing Chun moves ideal for street, because the lack of shoulder movement makes everything almost nontelegraph, but at the same time, you leave your head open as FUCK! I would actually mix wing chun, with some self defence, boxing footwork, head movement, etc... Let me explain!!! 1.,If you are in close range, arguing, etc... AND you think the guy is trying to hit you, you can intercept, with just a straight punch, or he is just a bit more far, kick to the knee, and then step in with punches, you can manpulate his guard, if he tryes to cover, offbalance him with arms, strikes, steping with angles, etc... So basicly you can intecept, if you are preapared, planned... BUT!!! 2.,If everything happens SO FAST you even get one hit, but still standing, etc... You need to cover, block etc... BUT I think block is more like technique to catch technique with rigid force... I think COVER is much more important, because you need much less aim, you just cover yourself, do not follow his movement too much... So if you covered, you can get into clinch, whatever, and u can use some wing chun moves too... 3., U can use Wing Chun pretty well, if someone grabs your arms too, if you know your WC energies well... 4., If you have distance, outside of the knee kick, forget Wing Chun, you need boxing kinda footwork, to get in range, and some head movement too... Then I would use only Wing Chun, if I can contact his guard, etc... 5., Lastly, actually you can chase hands I think WITH ONE HAND... Example... Many schools would not like this, but we learned to attack hook punches with a fak sau kinda forearm strike... It was more complicated than that, but keep it simple... So but we learned that with and execution of a straight punch with othe arm, and a step in, or turn! This could be dangerous, if you go too far, or cannot catch his haymaker kinda punch, BUT because you step in too, and hiting the solar plexus, or the head at the same time, even if the catch fails, you have a chance to hit the guy! This actually worked me in real life, but instead of a punch, I catched his hand before he could put force in it, steped in, pulled it down a bit, and with my other hand, I pushed just a littlebit him, on the chest... He was so surprised, the fight was over (he tryed to suckerpunch me from the side, but I saw it)... We drilled this SO MUCH it came out without thinking, BUT many would say, this was a block, or chasing hands, whatever... I would rather consider it attacking his structure, while trying to make it safer, by trying to "control his arm" or attack his hiting arm too, whatever... I could even say, I just covered the space with a "fak sau" (I don't want to go in details, but there is a way to maximise chance to meet his arm)... So yea... I think chasing hands CAN be okay, if you attack at the same time, control the space, angles, and using to make a bridge... What I MISS from Wing Chun very much, the lack of headmovement, wich is improtant if your hands are lowered, not in place, and wing chun REALLY lacks REAL covers, as final solution... BUT do not forget, or at least as I said, I think Wing Chun is most unique, because it's chi sau, and energy generation, wich is different to taichi, etc... Again... The form, is 90 percent+ energy generation, and concepts, BUT Ip Man Wing Chun is NOT a complete system in MY EYES... Modern Wing Chun is the art of SUCKERPUNCH I think, that is why it can be good for self defence, but it lacks Covers, no headmovement, Mobile footwork, and have trouble to get in the ideal Wing Chun range, to really use thoose WC energies... What can a Wing Chun guy do outside of range, rather than straight kicks? Basicly nothing, but on the street, anything can happen, and I haven't even mentioned, what you do, if you meet a wrestler, who catched your legs... Wing Chun can be good against upperbody wrestling, but any energies bellow the waist from a wrestler, well you are in trouble then...

[@Guy_In_A_Corner]

kevin lee : "is defense improtant or is offense important" me : who said I can't pick both B ) the person I was watching the vid with : o-o TF? are u stoopid or somethin?

[@krisbarton]

IF YOUR BLOCKING YOUR NOT DOING WING TSUN/CHUN

[@joseseijo6439]

Blocking is structurally too slow, that said, we in W.C. do not block, we cover the gates. Abiding by the concept of: “ stay with what comes, follow through as it retreats, and strike foward when the hand disengages “. One of the reasons we devote so much time in the practice of chi Sau, is to minimize thinking and let our hands develop a mind of their own. I see too many people out their who don’t really understand how to use W.C. correctly. W.C. Is a concept based system, and what I mean by that is, that once we learn and understand the concepts, theories, and principles behind the system, we make it work for us. At times we might not resemble a wing chun man/ woman because we must make it to suit us. Everyone is different and what works for one person might not work for someone else, and that’s the beauty of W.C. being a concept based system, that we can make it work for each one of us individually. In the words of the late Wong Shun Leung Sifu: “ Do not be a slave to wing chun “. Absorb the principle, abide by the principle, and dissolve the principle. Attack the attack, and never chase the hands, and once a bridge is created during the exchange, the hands will know what to do by themselves. Fighting is fast and we do not have time to think, but only to react, and that’s where all our attributes come into play, before, during, or after an attack. We must evolve with the times and that is no different with any martial art that we practice. Wing chun originated in the 1700 hundreds and we are now in the 21 century where the science fighting has evolved to a much higher level, thanks to videos, easier access to schools everywhere and of course, the internet. Fighting is all about one adapting to the situation, not everyone will approach you empty handed, so we must change with the scenario and adapt accordingly. It’s good to experiment with different people and their respective arts and see how your wing chun perform against boxers, grapplers, kickers, weapons, etc., that way we can see what our strengths and weaknesses are against all theses other styles of fighting will feel like. All in all, great presentation. Thanks and peace to all ! 🤔👊🏼🙏🏼

[@kungfupt]

Actually block is useless in real fighting because your opponent will never extend his arm after punching you.

[@ManuelRodriguez-ot2ii]

Blocking is not useless. Many Karate experts use it effectively and can do so very fast. However, Sifu Lee is saying deflection is better because you do not absorb the impact. If your opponent can punch you he is already withing blocking or deflecting distance.

[@fukyourpracticesjuneed]

You sound unprofessional; as long as your fist flying your able to make shore other opponent movement when your the one controlling offense to defend a punch thrown. So it's both offense an defense. Technique with wing chun.

[@kylegarceau4569]

I agree, I feel like regardless of what version or lineage of wing chun you learn you need to know why you do the forms which is forrrr deflection and structure and you need to spar because your structure and adaptability have to be tested to see what you actually need to improve upon if it’s all academic theory and chi sao then you are getting only 50% of it

[@PhokenKuul]

Well, all systems would PREFER to divert attacking energy to having to absorb a blow. But the reality is that is not always possible. I think even Wing Chun acknowledges that to some degree.