Should You Buy a Gas or Diesel Campervan? The Gas vs. Diesel Debate

"Should I buy a gas or diesel campervan?" It's the age-old question that I dive into in this week's video.
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In the campervan class b world we've got two choices of fuel to move our vans down the highway: gas or diesel but which one's better and how do you choose? The gas fan boys will tell you gas is the better option because it's cheaper; you can fill up anywhere; it's less of a headache not having to worry about DEF (diesel exhaust fluid). The diesel fans girls will tell you diesel if better because it's cheaper; you get better miles per gallon (mpg) which means you can go further without filling up; and there's less headaches since you don't have to worry about tuneups.
So which side do you believe? One way to cut through all the static is to simplify things. Let's get one thing out of the way first: Total Cost of Ownership (TOC). Many arguments on both sides of the issue focus on cost: which one is cheaper for you in the long run. It turn out that in the long run it's about even. Gas is cheaper at the pump but diesel has a higher mpg. Diesel engines don't deal with things like spark plugs, timing belts, overhead cams and don't require tuneups. Gas engines don't have diesel particle filters that need to be replaced. A toss up in the long run across the board so we can relatively safely say that both are about even.
That leaves us with just some convenience questions about gas and diesel: Do you mind filling up more often? Do you mind driving a bit further to fill up? Can you use things like Voltstart and underhood generators with less worry? Answering these questions will tell you a lot about whether gas or diesel is right for you?
Plus there's all the questions surrounding diesel now with VW's diesel-gate and now Mercedes looks like it may have been trying to cheat the EPA's tests with their diesel cars. How are these news stories going to affect public opinion and policy around diesel moving forward?
My opinion is this: If you're looking to buy now and you just want a Mercedes based campervan then you'll have to go with diesel. Mercedes only makes the Sprinter chassis as a diesel today. For everyone else you should probably just get a gas powered campervan. They're cheaper to purchase and more convenient. If you really want a Mercedes and are willing to wait until the coach builders build on the 2019 gas chassis then I'd wait.
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[@reginacarmel]

As requested: FYI, just found a useful App for diesel owners re: the specialized diesel fuel recommended by PW and LTV: app.biodiesel.org/. Will tell you where to get that fuel. Have read it is available at many smaller stations located OFF the main highways. The App can be downloaded for both Apple and Android devices at the above URL. Recommended by another Sprinter driver.

[@Ultramobility]

Many thanks for sharing this rcarmel!

[@Febrile1]

Thank You for the info! An LTY Unity rider ;-)

[@JoelAlbert1]

Another great video... Must admit it makes me nervous about purchasing a diesel. The App doesn’t seem to be nearly as useful as GasBuddy and seems focused on FINDING B20 AND ABOVE, while we are looking for the B5 and under. We can’t simply write-off trips to Montana and Minnesota so we will have to deal with the B20 mess at some point. The link to the MB presentation on diesel is really useful-extra thanks for that.

[@MarciaBaldwin]

rcarmel different subject but I saw one of your videos concerning an additive to your onboard toilet. It was Colgate dishwasher detergent or calgon bath powder. Please clarify, as I purchased my class b diesel just a week ago. 24' on sprinter chassis 2018

[@reginacarmel8421]

Marcia Baldwin Marcia, I think this addresses the wrong person, as I am still in pre-purchase stage. Perhaps repost or Google? Good luck!

[@TedGreen]

As someone approaching retirement (sometime) and actively researching an RV purchase, you have emerged as a most valuable resource. Your videos are consistently packed with the highest quality, independent, detailed, and incredibly useful content. Well done sir! I will continue to seek out your highly helpful contributions!

[@Ultramobility]

thank you very much ted!

[@TedGreen]

@@Ultramobility No thanks necessary...just keep up the good work!

[@michaelherrick5128]

Ahh! The long awaited episode. Thanks for testing the ice for us. You have made the subject of gas/diesel more accessible. Thank you for doing the research and taking the time to speak out.

[@Ultramobility]

Really glad you liked the episode Michael! thanks for the support.

[@HulaShack1]

I live in SWFl and we had Hurricane Irma last year. Gas stations were closed but when they finally opened, cars and trucks were lined up for miles, waiting to fuel up. One thing became evident...there was ZERO diesel pumps open. During an emergency, they are only trucking in gas. That was a big eye opener for me..

[@Ultramobility]

Wow, I didn't know that Hula Shack. Thank you for sharing!

[@rosemarydolliver]

Hula Shack, I live on St. Croix, USVI. We went through two Cat 5 hurricanes in Sept, ‘17, thirteen days apart. Thank God we were able to get Diesel as easy as gas. Even though we couldn’t run the whole house diesel generator 24/7, we were able to get our water from the cistern with the pump running on electricity fueled by the generator. If we could get fuel on a tiny island I’m sure with a little effort you could’ve found diesel in Florida if you looked hard enough. Many, many generators are run on diesel. People wouldn’t buy them if they weren’t getting the fuel even in emergency situations.

[@flybyairplane3528]

Rosemary Dolliver YOU, would be really surprised, 95% of generators sold are gas,, GENERAC,, are natural as,o propane,,they ALSO RUN. 3600RPM, JUST AS the everyday ones,,wen you go diesel,,the price goes UP,,what I have in mind is is $12.000, and runs at 1800rpm.HOWEVERthere ARE SMALL DIESELS say 5KW,- 75KW are ALSO OPERATE AT3600RPM. Cheers from NJ

[@raven7068]

@@rosemarydolliver Diesel generators Blow Away hands-down gas generators any day of the week! I have a 7.5 kilowatt diesel generator at Max load 50 amps it only draws 0.96 gallons an hour at Max load. Where a gasoline generator will pull nearly 5 gallons an hour for that same load. Diesel is supreme at the moment.

[@rosemarydolliver]

Adelino Jr, you talking to me? The person above that said we had a diesel generator? Not sure your point.

[@parsia1363]

My favorite car/van channel by far! Your videos are entertaining, to the point and very informative. Thank you for all the work and passion you put into your videos.

[@muskietime]

Love the analytical review of diesel vs gasoline. Thank you. Always seems that the things we worry about most end up being close to irrelevant later on. Keep up the enlightening work if you can. You add value with every video.

[@mattirobinson]

Living in Colorado, I have another consideration. Turbo Diesel does much better at altitude. If your doing much driving at altitude or in the mountains it's something to consider.

[@dianacryder7523]

Wow! Great video! So worth my time. You've saved me so much time. That aside, also so informative and interesting. Great job!

[@Ultramobility]

Hi, Diana! Thank you so much for watching and for your nice compliment. Keeps me wanting to make great videos for you all!

[@TheRubberduchess]

so tell us which did you decide on?

[@nelsonsoaresusa]

Which on did you buy?

[@TheRubberduchess]

Thank you for helping me decide....gas it is. I don't mind filling often and I would mind having to be concerned about diesel mix and availability.

[@juergenhartter7631]

My biggest concern with the Sprinter is the limited number of service facilities that can deal with the vehicle. This is especially true if you like to camp in scenic out-of the way places.

[@Ultramobility]

Yep, it's true. MB servicing is much harder to find than say a ProMaster. I can't speak to MB's general reliability but I can say that my 2 Sprinters have been very reliable from a chassis perspective. That's just to say that I haven't had the need for any servicing whatsoever so I'm less concerned about it while I travel. Does that make sense?

[@ianfurqueron5850]

True. Another KZbin couple from Canada is currently (as I type this) in Mexico with a broken Sprinter. It still remains to be seen how the problem will play out.

[@flydutch1]

Don't forget the Sprinters have also been sold by Dodge and Freightliner. This adds to the availability of service facilities.

[@flybyairplane3528]

Ultramobility Hi, I now believe MB,,is offering a V6 petrol engine,,if you don’t want diesel. Cheers from NJ

[@flybyairplane3528]

juergen hartter hello, SPRINTER, has 3 LABELS , MB, RAM (. Dodge ). & FREIGHTLINER ( MB owned. ) so there are more places , but still I know what. You mean, Cheers From NJ. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@lmittell]

There's an additional issue that should be considered: assuming that you want a self-powered generator on board (e.g., the ubiquitous Onan Microlite), it's important to consider what fuel will power it and how that meshes with your camping style. With a gasoline-powered van, if your vehicle fuel tank is reasonably full, you can run the generator for a very long time, because the generator gets is fuel from that tank. With a diesel-powered rig, the generator uses the onboard propane, which is in relatively short supply. As regards refueling, gasoline is available everywhere, whereas propane is a little harder to find. Some will find this a problem, others won't. It depends on how you use your rig.

[@Ultramobility]

that's an excellent point about the generator and you're right. there are gas powered generators but diesel rigs need to use propane and propane fill stations are harder to find. Well pointed out and thanks for sharing.

[@usahome]

My 2019 LTV Unity FX has an Onan diesel generator. I ordered it that way. It is an option for those who don’t want a propane generator.

[@kevin-my9ld]

BROVO

[@goprenow]

Thank you Neil for this realistic assessment on the gas/ diesel considerations. Again you got me to thinking hard about issues the dealers don't talk about. Peter

[@Ultramobility]

no one likes to talk about the diesel issue since they sell so many Mercedes Sprinters which are high dollar and large profit margins.

[@Truthh4040]

It’s been 9 years driving a sprinter van - diesel model . And I love it . Yes it does cost more to pay for diesel va gas . But that definitely makes less trips to the gas station ..

[@jc10907Sealy]

Insightful comparative analysis! Also love that movie 🎥!

[@ChristianTravelers]

Excellent again! Thank You! We always used Flying J's with the Good Sam discount but apparently, they have all gone to B20. Had we read this article a year ago, our choice of motorhome would have probably been different as there is a competing product to what we bought with the same floorplan, which is gas-powered.

[@Ultramobility]

Nothing to worry about. Our diesels will be viable for years to come. Diesel isn't going anywhere fast. Thanks for the comment.

[@johnpuccetti9383]

Great detail stuff. I would love to have an under the hood generator and get rid of my propane Onan generator. We own a Prius Prime and love it. Thats the future for B-class RV's.

[@Ultramobility]

Yep, they definitely make sense on gas engines. Sprinter diesels - the jury is still out on long term affects of idling for longer periods.

[@rvboondocker2559]

Wow Neil, 2000 subs in February and now you’re around 12K! Proves what a fabulous job you do! That said, I’m driving my sales person crazy and just emailed her to wait for the 2019 Airstream 19’, in Gas Not diesel. This video now, after a discussion yesterday with a local physicist friend who owns a Sprinter, seem to confirm the worry. He struggles with biodiesel all the time and isn’t happy about it...we’re in Illinois too!

[@Ultramobility]

well diesel isn't bad here in California. I only heard those stories in Illinois so not sure how bad it is. I think the long term prognosis for diesel isn't good. in Europe I understand they will be completely banned soon and diesel-gate here isn't helping.

[@predpalina]

You deserve 2M subs Neil! More power to your channel...

[@Waltbikerun]

Great information, thanks Neil. I do have a question. How do you know what type of blend you have before you fill in at the gas station? Is it on the pump itself or somewhere else? Thanks again for all the great insides and information provided on all of your videos.

[@steveeriksen7351]

Thanks Niel, another great video with a very relevant topic. Here it is, now, 1 year later than this videos release and I am curious if Pleasure Way is coming out with the Mercedes Gas engine for their 2020 models? My wife and I are looking to buy a plateau model either TS or FL and are willing to wait if it is worth it or not. We are a quality focused buyer but this should factor into that decision. Thanks again Steve

[@carlagrodriguez2076]

I trust your clear and practical info thanks

[@JulezySays]

This vid was SO helpful! Thank you🙃

[@Ultramobility]

glad you found it helpful!

[@nelsoncasamalhuapa1554]

Thank you for your such your informative video. I was planning to buy the 2018 Mercedes Benz 4x4 van build it as a camper and drive it to Mexico but now I will wait for the 2019 gas Mercedes Benz as gas is more available no matter where I decide to go. Thank you again!

[@Ultramobility]

Ha! I'm glad I could save you money, time and potential headaches. Love stories like this!

[@ndg9367]

You are going to find out that diesel 4x4 are much more capable the gas with the low end torque!

[@garynickloy445]

Thanks for the data. I am in the process of looking into Class B campervans. The thing I have come across is that I have yet to find a gas powered campervan that didn't require propane as an additional energy source. Whereas I have found some diesel options (i.e., Revel) that utilize diesel for other functions instead of propane. Maybe I haven't looked far enough but it seems to be an advantage of diesel to me.

[@Ultramobility]

That’s an excellent point and it is true the Alde systems and others use diesel as an alternate form of energy and I don’t know of any that use gas.

[@utubepro7742]

I know this is a 3 year video but I agree about gas over the diesel for a new sprinter THANK YOU FOR YOUR INSIGHT

[@go86go]

Hi Neil, thanks for all the info in the video, it is indeed very informative. On the MB diesel idling issue, would the delivery companies have good data on this? They have a whole fleet of these doing stop and go and idling all day, everyday.

[@Ultramobility]

Hi go86go. I don't believe it is a problem as the commercial van fleet operators wouldn't be purchasing the Sprinter. What is less known is how the high idle option on the MB diesel may be affecting the engine over long periods of prolonged use.

[@flyshacker]

Wow! This video is outstanding, Neil! Totally indispensable information and superb analysis. I was sold on Mercedes and diesel; but now I will go with gasoline or wait for Mercedes to release a diesel that supports 20% biofuel or wait for them to release a gasoline engine. I’m so glad I found this video. The more I watch your videos, the more I appreciate what you are doing. Now I know why other people post that your RV videos are the best. Thanks a million!

[@Ultramobility]

Thank you so much *flyshacker* ! I appreciate it.

[@vasilyru]

@@Ultramobility , Neil, as 2.0l is released, what's your take on it? We plan a 144" Sprinter conversion and with diesel I can easily add a webasto for air/water heating, which is very convenient. But now, after your video, I'm really in doubt of which one should I get. Would appreciate your advice, thank you!

[@tracy3066]

Important! This is a great video but I recommend that you also read the comments too! There's lots of great additional info to be gained by others in the comments. Two things that I didn't think about for pros on gas engines. (Not being able to get diesel right after a hurricane and being easier to get gas for your generator than getting the propane you would need for a diesel)

[@Ultramobility]

honestly, getting propane is not a big deal. it's cheap and lasts forever and having a third source of power is never a bad thing.

[@ndg9367]

Tracy, not all diesel engine rvs have a propane generator! You can get them in diesel too!

[@joannecevik9159]

We are learning so much from you... thankyou !!

[@Ultramobility]

very happy to hear that!

[@ameliaantonelli906]

Thank you for your video. I'm in the market for a van for vanlife and I'm looking into the gas Sprinter, what are your thoughts?

[@thejudge1445]

I am in the process of buying a B van. I luv the new Mercedes cab features. An ultimate driving comfort. But i have to say never owning a diesel gives me pause. Problem is the other cabs (Ford/Ram( cant touch these new babies- no where near. So there ya go!! Thanks Neil your vids have got me closer to wanting my 1st RV.. thx

[@iangorner]

Very informative. Thank you. I have driven diesel ambulances and noted that from a dead stop the diesel was always slow to develop power. There would always be a bit of a lag from depressing the accelerator to road speed. Is this a thing common to diesel?

[@Ultramobility]

Yeah they tend to be lagging a bit on acceleration but the turbo helps quite a bit. Good point and thanks for sharing!

[@spellmadam2947]

Great video. Just now watching this one. We are at this dilemma. My spouse is a retired diesel tech so I hear the issues all the time. Agree on the electric future. We bought electric "Beasts" from Daymak from Canada. We love them. People ask all the time about them. Wish we could have that electric RV right now to solve the gas diesel dilemma.

[@Ultramobility]

this is the way disruption always occurs... starts off with things like Beasts and then creeps up until it reaches an inflection point with the main stream manufacturers who are all caught off guard and displaced by some unknown electrical chassis manufacturer. just like honda did to Harley Davidson with their dirt bikes in the 60's. they kept increasing the cc size of their small engines until eventually they passed the inflection point for road bikes and Harley Davidson was caught off guard. now they own the business.

[@campwardbound3513]

I have a 2004 Ford E350 diesel van and agree with this video. We traveled to the midwest and had to buy the 20% bio diesel. Seems crazy. I have driven the van from California to Virginia and have never had issues getting fuel. As long as the big rigs are on the road, I know I can get fuel. Last year, we drove the Casier highway to Hyder, Alaska, and we found diesel fuels everywhere. The only time I was low on diesel fuel was traveling through eastern Oregon. This was because fueling stations were few and far between. Having diesel made this easier because I drive 400 miles on a tank.

[@Ultramobility]

many thanks for sharing your owner experience driving a diesel all around north America and finding diesel stations. i know viewers will appreciate this.

[@danielsiouffi2632]

Really an excellent video - bravo it really helps me to choose a gas sprinter

[@Ultramobility]

Glad you liked it!

[@lewismanning1423]

in the discussion of total cost of ownership, was the NADA value depreciation associated with mileage applicable on gasoline engines (and not to diesel engines) considered?

[@doc47448]

Once they can get electric camper vans to run 500 miles per day, I'm all in!

[@paulao7022]

In the north east, we aren't equipped enough here to have plug in, electrical cars. California, has their gas stations, with electrical outlet's, to plug these electric cars into, to charge their batteries.

[@bjones211]

Great balanced discussion on this topic. I'm in the market in 2-3 years and really like the Sprinter platform. The blended diesel issue is a big one for me. Chasing down the right blend of diesel when I'm on a road trip is not something I want to hassle with.

[@Ultramobility]

Yep it's a concern. If you can wait then the 2019 gas Sprinter may be the way for you to go.

[@tracy3066]

Brian Jones Yeah I have heard that some Sprinter owners carry extra fuel onboard for this very reason. This wouldn't be good for the owners who boondock out in the middle of nowhere.

[@Ultramobility]

ack, really? i'm not rolling my eyes at you rather at anyone who feels the need to carry their own fuel onboard because they're afraid of blended diesel. It's really not a problem anywhere except Minnesota which mandates B20. However, the problem could get worse as the biodiesel industry pours more money in changes state mandates.

[@flybyairplane3528]

Ultramobility some years ago, MINNISOTA discovered the diesel,blend and thought it was the greatest thing since sliced bread,,so,ALL CITY & county vehicles used it ,HOWEVER THE CUTOFF POINT IS 10^F, and those clowns ran it much lower, EVERY VECHICLE DIED ON THE ROAD, the idiots , were to use DIESEL. THEY LEARNED THE HARD WAY cheers from NJ

[@Tony-iw8kb]

Thanks for the thorough and easy to follow information. One other item that may be important to some, is the ability to do basic maintenance. Most people can do basic maint to a gas engines, but fewer know how to do maint on diesel engines.

[@Ultramobility]

Agree completely Tony although many modern gas engines require a degree ;-) thanks for sharing!

[@16boh]

Excellent comment on maintenance...and finding the right folks to repair the diesel properly....the DEP fluid can become problematic and is an additional concern.

[@Ultramobility]

Hi 16boh. I can attest that the DEF hasn't been a problem for me. Can pick it up at any Walmart and super simple to just dump it in. Pretty cheap too. Just FYI.

[@tracy3066]

Tony Great point Tony!!!

[@flybyairplane3528]

Ultramobility did you know that DEF CAB FREEZE? Anyhow with big trucks there is a heatexchangerninmthe DEF tank,,a truck for what ever reason was dead on the highway,,could NOT ESTART,,so was towed,,it WAS VERY COLD,, the recovery vechice noticed a spot on the ground , the DEF FROZE, TOWED IT LEFTNIT INDOOR OVERNIGHT , started right up. MIDWEST TRUCK, Scott City MO, cheers from NJ

[@bscott9741]

Has Mercedes Benz been selling a gas Sprinter elsewhere in the world? Or will the MB gas Sprinter coming to the U.S. in 2019/20 be the first test run of a new model? Thank you for your video on this important topic.

[@Ultramobility]

hi, B Scott. I believe this is the first gas sprinter ever.

[@thomasdarby6084]

One other added cost to be considered with modern diesel engines is the DEF. You have to figure that into the total cost of the fuel over time.

[@mstastka]

I am soooo glad that you brought this subject up. This is a major concern I have as to which way to go. Gas/diesel: For most that drive an RV it is not like a work truck that is driven 1000's of miles so maintenance is a big factor for the few miles you drive an RV compared to gas. For the difference in price of fuel and the maintenance costs, it is a tough subject. That being said--depending on your RV manufacturer and the chassis they chose to build on will make all the difference. But the RV world is changing with lots more options now with the Dodge and now Ford getting into the picture. Making you wonder if you should wait. Mercedes all thought a high quality builder demands high costs to maintain them in exclusive shops for service. That is a huge factor for most RV buyers. I know it is for me. Thank you for finally covering this subject and I am really looking forward to the debate of the Volt generator working to the point of putting the extra generator out of business.

[@Ultramobility]

Many thanks for the comment and your thoughts Mike. I just don't see a really good reason for going with diesel in camnpervans in this day and age. The new Ford with their EcoBoost engine gives you plenty of towing power and it's gas. If folks really want that Silver Star MB is coming out with their gas version in 2019. It's kind of hard to justify the diesel Sprinter in my book.

[@waynewolfe3514]

I'm with you Mike. Getting rid of the noisy Onan generator will be a huge step in improving motorhome user satisfaction. The marine industry has had engine multiple alternator technology for decades.

[@tracy3066]

Mike Stastka PA For me I only wanted a Class B gas vehicle. Being so I purchased ASAP because I wanted a Chevy engine and they're getting harder for Roadtrek to get ahold of. So I purchased a wide body 2018 Chevy Roadtrek 210 Popular. I didn't want to wait and not be able to get a gas Class B van. I know there is the Promasters that are out there but they don't have the tow capacity I need for my business. (The Promaster only have a 2,000lb tow capacity) Also if something better comes along Roadtrek really hold there value so I can just sell it and buy the new one I want. I've just had 2 recent tragedies in my life and I want to get out there and enjoy life more!

[@tracy3066]

Also I don't like how narrow the Mercedes and Ford Transits are. I wanted the biggest and widest Class B on the market and that's the wide body Chevy 210 Roadtrek! I downgraded size wise from a 29' Class C toyhauler so I wanted to keep as much room as possible! Also one other plus is that I also have a bunch of outside storage in my Roadtrek 210. The Sprinters don't have any outside storage.

[@notanomad9320]

Great video! One other consideration is front or rear wheel drive. Promaster I think is the only front wheel drive class b right now. That means, you have move room under the floor for additional storage or larger tanks because you eliminate the drive shaft, plus front wheel drive is a huge plus In snowy areas. What's frustrating for me are the mandates, one should be able to choose the fuel that works best in their vehicle. I suspect it's basically a pay off to the farming industry. We have one local station that sells non oxy for small engines like snowblower and lawnmowers and collector cars. I can certainly tell the difference on how much better these small engines run with real gas. I kind of wish my onan generator had a separate tank I could fill with real gas. Take care!

[@Ultramobility]

It's a great point you make Walleye about the biodiesel industry here in the states. And you're right about the Promaster being a front wheel drive chassis. That's a big plus for many. Thanks for pointing that out and sharing your knowledge!

[@flybyairplane3528]

Recently WAWA FUEL STATIONS DO HAVE 1 pump, NON ETHANOL GASOLINE (. petrol ) , I lost a snowblower,string trimmer, and lawnmower, because of ETHANOL !

[@GregSeversonalwayssurf]

Any updates on the gas Sprinter? I am very excited about the potential.

[@savell234]

I did not read all the comments. But do you think that the costs are equivalent when you consider the cost of the engine? Example gas pickup engines are 5-6000 US dollars cheaper than diesels. Is this the same for class Bs as well?

[@Ultramobility]

I think i put a link in the description to someone who did a total cost of ownership over the long haul and the difference between the gas and diesel engine were about equal.

[@alanmckean]

Is the Sprinter gas chassis available yet? If so, what makes offer it? Love your videos!

[@MickyELee]

Thanks for this. The B20 is particularly problematic.

[@Ultramobility]

Yep, Mercedes needs to figure out a plan for us diesel owners as B20 is becoming more prevalent in the United States.

[@subversivevegan]

Super helpful; thanks!

[@Ultramobility]

You're welcome.

[@ROE1300]

Interesting discussion. I opted for a diesel for a variety of reasons all of which you covered, but not the MB diesel. I have a Class B+ on a Ford Transit chassis with a Ford diesel engine. I’m told by my RV manufacturer, the dealership, and Ford that many of the concerns you mention concerning the MB diesel are not issues with the Ford engine. We’ll see. I do agree with you that eventually electric will win out, but probably not in my RV lifetime 😢. But, maybe ...

[@richardrocco5155]

I really enjoyed your video, I have two decisions to make. The first is either to purchase a Class B van or a Class B+ because I will be towing two motorcycles. The second decision would be to purchase gas or diesel. I do drive a diesel pickup and I have towed a 42ft Toy Hauler before so i know about the positive and negative sides of owning a diesel. I want to down size to a class B because i want the mobility the the class B has and my wife and I do not need all the space that a 5th Wheel or a tow behind provides. Sorry for the long story, your input would be greatly appreciated. Thank you

Thanks for the info - very informative

[@Ultramobility]

you're welcome no left turns. thanks for watching!

[@neilsalmon5900]

The choice should be simple for most people , gas wins over diesel by far . Too many problems with diesel .

[@deansteele7241]

Excellent video about gas vs diesel. One question I still have though regards relative power. Friends tell me diesel is important in mountainous terrain. Is that true for sprinter size RV’s or only large ones (or maybe not really true at all)?

[@Ultramobility]

diesel does do better on mountains but gas can be just fine as well

[@allankawakami7851]

Great comparison video!

[@Ultramobility]

thanks so much Allan!

[@maxinetownsend9719]

I've almost seen all your videos. You're awesome! I'm hoping you can help me by telling me what's the best rv van under 21 ft to live in full time. I'm solo and plan to boondock as much as possible. I'm considering class c but I think too big to manage. Help! Please advise?

[@Ultramobility]

you have to decide that. for me living out of a sub-21' van would be difficult. but we're the russos managed to it in their aktiv 2.0. for boondocking looking for larger tanks, maybe a cassette toilet; larger battery capacity and solar.

[@maryfay5404]

This was helpful when discussing cost, and convenience. I'm also concerned about environmental consequences. I drive an electric car now and would love to drive an electric camper van!

[@larrynmarks]

Neil it sounds to me like the biggest problem is the motor idling For long periods of time to charge the batteries. Our number one concern is always electricity and water. So since were talking about electrical generation charge batteries I think it be better on a class B to go with solar panels on the roof the flexible solar panel so they can be glued down sure you’re not putting any additional holes in your roof. And then setting up Electrical components that go along with solar. That seems considerably more sensible

[@jeandecker4073]

Do any of these diesel issues affect the large Diesel engines on the diesel pushers or Super C motor homes and what does the DEf fluid do for those engines. Thanks for the great info.

[@Ultramobility]

Hi, Jean. Certainly finding diesel stations will be the same as for class B vans as it is for Class A and Class C motorhomes. I believe DEF is required for most diesels sold in North America as it is a part of emission control systems in place to meet certain standards.

[@16boh]

DEF is used as a consumable in selective catalytic reduction (SCR) in order to lower NO x concentration in the diesel exhaust emissions from diesel engines....I've heard on some vehicles when you run out of DEF then you are speed limited.

[@waynewolfe3514]

DEF causes a chemical reaction that converts the harmful nitrogen oxide emissions into harmless nitrogen gas and water vapor. Some of the larger diesel engines (i.e.Cummins) are built with materials that are not damaged by the corrosive properties of high ratio bio fuels such as B20. The DP or Super C motorhome manufacture can give you the engine specs. These engines use the same emissions technology as the Sprinter van.

[@Ultramobility]

Thanks for that Wayne!

[@campwardbound3513]

I came across your channel today while looking for van upgrades and ideas. I am a Bay Area resident like yourself. My wife and I eventually want a class B for adventures. Wifey likes a bathroom with a real toilet. I watched your video on the diesel vs gas comparison. I come to the same conclusion-it all works itself out in the wash. Do you use a bypass oil filter on your newest class B diesel?

[@Ultramobility]

i do not. i use whatever is stock on the sprinter. thanks so much for finding and watching my channel!

[@johncollins7185]

My main concern in making this choice is the number and costs of service/maintenance centers for MB diesel vs gas RVs.

[@paulajoy1609]

Your videos are awesomely presented and thought out! Thank you! I am left wondering about one point I've always heard that would favor diesels, especially -- the longevity of the engine, compared to what a gas engine's life would yield. Especially if one lives in an RV, for instance, would this not be of great concern if they plan on driving a lot over years of exploration on the road? Also, another question I'd love addressed: I've heard that the Ford Transit has a diesel engine option, an engine made by Cummins. Would that engine have the some complexities that cause you concern, regarding B5 vs. B20, etc.? Do you have any thoughts, if not, on the reputation of that engine? Thanks!

[@Ultramobility]

hi Paula - commercial operates prefer diesel because of longevity - 200k - 300k miles on a van. most recreational users aren't going to get anywhere near that so the longevity isn't going to really be a factor. the Ford transit does have a diesel. don't know much about it but it likely will be a lot less to maintain then the Mercedes.

[@paulajoy1609]

Thank for your helpful input here! You do such a great job of sharing so much information! I should have made this more clear in my first comment: I've been researching the idea of living the full-time van life for a couple of years and then using that van ongoing for, say, another 10-15 years as an adventure "escape" vehicle... With that in mind, considering the investment of dollars it takes to outfit, say, a cargo van as a comfortable "dwelling," I think the longevity of the engine is a significant factor to ponder further. If I were just traveling sporadically on vacations, rather than living in the van full-time for a while--and as a primary transportation vehicle--then, of course, I would be less concerned with the life expectancy of a gas-powered engine being significantly less than that of a diesel-powered engine. I'll research the Ford Transit diesel engine further to see if it is less surrounded by the controversies surrounding that of the MB diesel...

[@kdl8932]

Another great, very needed, vid Neil, thanks! My gf and I are in the research stage for buying a Class B. I would love an Ascent because it seems like such a good quality rig, as are some of the other Sprinter-based class B's. *However* we would like to explore domestically of course, but we also love Mexico. From what I've read, it may be difficult to find the type of fuel that Mercedes wants used in their vehicles. I've had several diesel cars over the years and they've been very dependable; including a MB 300 wagon with 310,000 + miles on it and it was running fine. But should we look at diesel if we plan on doing caravans and exploring into mainland Mexico?? Tnx for any reply, Ross

[@flybyairplane3528]

Ross Guldenbrein sorry to bust your bubble, but ALL DIESEL ENGINES for SALE IN USAHAVE Zto be of the CLEAN DIESEL TYPE, MEANING it usesULSD,,and DEF FLUID also hasvavsoot particulate filter, so if you go somewhere that does not sell ULSD,,you are aUP THE CREEK. Anyway around this ? Yes it has to be possibly 25 years old, WITHOUT all the stuff, or possibly buy from EUROPE, but may have a problem with registration.here. Cheers from NJ

[@benvernick]

I’m fairly new to researching class B’s but from what I’ve seen it appears that only Diesel engines can provide a single fuel source for a vans heating system. For example the Winnebago Revel only uses diesel and electricity, there is no generator and no propane. Is this limited to diesel only type vehicles? I have yet to see a gas one that didn’t require propane or a generator to heat the cabin. And if you live in a cold weather climate is this a concern?

[@Ultramobility]

Hi Ben that’s a great question. I think the issue is with the volatility of gasoline as compared to diesel and that volatility for safety reasons is the reason why they don’t use it for heating. That’s at least my hypothesis.

[@benvernick]

Ultramobility good Hypothesis. If that’s the case which do you think would be a better system for cold weather camping? I realize there are a ton of variables when it comes to heating (ie temperature setting, size of vehicle, insulation), however do you think that you would be better off with a single source diesel or gas/generator/propane system? Thanks and love your channel I am a new subscriber.

[@Ultramobility]

Diesel is great if you can find a rig with something like the Alde diesel heat system. I had that one and it worked great. Also the Truma Combi I believe also can work off diesel or electric. Both are great choices. My heater runs off propane and I never had any problems in -30 degree weather in Quebec. Propane is high energy density and burns pretty well. Thanks for being a subscriber!

[@1kobara]

Just curious. How well versed are you at long term class b maintenance? I'm wondering if you've owned an RV long enough to talk about maintenance.... like sealing the roof, vents, etc. Not coming at ya. Just an honest question. Thank you. Love your vlog.

[@Ultramobility]

Hey JayKay. I owned my first RV in 2014. Likely not long enough to really give me a good idea about long term maintenance. Part of the reason why I like Class B's is that they require a lot less maintenance than say a class A. My parents have a class A and it seems like they have it in the shop every week for some leak or some component going out.

[@davidpark8140]

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[@markweiner3896]

Great video.... one thing not discussed was the very high torque and pulling power of diesel especially in mountain driving and climbing long grades. I've found that gasoline engines tend to run at extremely high RPMs especially climbing resulting in a lot of noise and sometimes have difficulty. Other than that, I'm very pleased to learn that overall the cost of diesel vs. gasoline is basically a wash in the end..

[@Ultramobility]

Yep agree though for these vans something like the new Ford Ecoboost gas engine should do just fine up grades.

[@markweiner3896]

I understand that the "Eco Boost" and turbo is very good, however, the diesel engine has a much higher compression ratio, 18 to 1 vs, 9 to 1 for most gasoline engines.... and even with the Eco Boost, the required RPMs to bring up this kind of power is going to make a lot of noise.... tell me, am I wrong? Maybe I am incorrect? I'd like to know. Look, the diesel engine especially the Mercedes Benz turbo diesel is going to develop peak power at a very low RPM around 1800 to 2400 and it has a very heavy duty 5 speed shift able transmission. My Subaru without any turbo has to literally "scream" with super high RPMs climbing hills with the CVT transmission..... the diesel engine doesn't slow down on long uphill grades, it's a very strong engine, and for a small 3 litre V6 it's pretty amazing power. Please reply and let me know your thoughts.

[@Ultramobility]

Yeah I agree with you regarding the MB diesel. Even my 4 cylinder 7 speed hums along up hills no problem. I need to test drive the Ford with Eco Boost to give a valid opinion. I've heard from satisfied owners that they haven't run into any problems with power and going up hills but..., there's no doubt that the MB diesel will give you more power but the question really is if the Ford gas engine is suitable for our campervans. No one wants a gas powered engine for class a rigs that's for sure but these little vans... maybe a beefy gas engine like the Ford will do. I get what you're saying though.

[@markweiner3896]

Thanks for a great presentation .. I did subscribe to your youtube video.. By the way, I've heard that many people with even a Ford V10 have trouble climbing long hills, and screaming high RPMs all the way. I have seen a few videos of the FOUR cylinder Mercedes Benz with the 7 speed transmission.... even climbing up to the Eisenhower Tunnel in Colorado, just over 11,000 feet. It's quite a climb to the top and if you've never done it, you'll see what I mean. In fact, I drove my 2009 Toyota Prius across country and went this route through the pass, it's Highway 70 through the Rocky Mountains. As you may already know, the electric motor with the small gas engine works great in most circumstances, BUT, as you climb up the mountain going up and down, but, steadily climbing to the 11,000 foot summit.... towards the summit, the battery just gets completely depleted and relies solely on the gas engine which is only 70 horsepower... you guessed it, once you're out of electric, the car just hobbles to the top going maybe 25 MPH, if you're lucky. I will NOT do that again, too much for the Toyota. OK, back to your MB Sprinter with the Four cylinder... yes , the seven speed transmission was a little more efficient with the available power, but, overall, the FOUR cylinder could NOT keep pace with the V6 especially on the climb to the top. There's a video of this online. It's close, but, not the same. I'm NOT saying that the FOUR is a bad engine at all, but, in a vehicle like mine with dual wheels and a maximum payload capacity of just over 15,000 pounds fully loaded, I would want the 3 litre V6.... there's several smaller models of the Sprinter with only single wheels in the back, but, my 2012 Roadtrek RS Adventurous, 23 feet long and the dual wheels, I feel that the V6 is absolutely necessary. Do have a question for you?? We just returned from a three month trip and recently the vehicle has not been driven regularly... sits for a few weeks, between uses. I understand that it's desirable NOT to use this around town for local trips, and when I take it out I run this up on the freeway for a 30 minute period which is good for the diesel particulate filter. Also, my 2012 has only 40,000 miles which is pretty low, the last trip we took around the USA was almost 11,000 miles in three months. Let me know your thoughts, vehicle is in excellent condition and maintained well. I'm hoping to get between 350,000 to 500,000 miles.

[@277kne]

Did I read correctly that Mercedes is building a gas engine in 2019? I know the Metris is out. Are you referring to the Sprinter?

[@Ultramobility]

Yep a gas version of the sprinter in 2019! They also have an electric version but it will not be introduced here into North America.

[@auroranite]

More good info.Didn’t know of the bio blend 20%, or the mandate in MN. As for the volt start idling on Roadtrek brand. The statement you shared by CEO Jim Hamil reassuring not to worry you’re covered. As of this writing the Hymer group International has been purchase by Thor. During this acquisition its been noted of possible indiscretions of the North America Hymer group by top management at Roadtrek division. Hymer has made promises not to reduce their workforce but in light of the above has recently laid off 100 employees at Kitchner Ontario facility. So it remains to be seen what other changes Hymer will make. Leaves one cautionary of CEO Hamil’s earlier statement as things they are a changing. The Daily RV Report by Greg Gerber gives more info. Tks for discussing yhe gas/ diesel debate.

[@theaeexpress]

I really enjoy your videos, thank you for all the valuable information. I'm not sure if you've done a review on this model but I would like to know your thoughts on the 2018 Coachmen Crossfit. Thanks again. Antonio Vega

[@Ultramobility]

hey Antonio. I will do a review of it. other are asking for it as well. i'll find one nearby and do it but it may not be released for a few weeks yet.

[@ianfurqueron5850]

While it doesn't pertain to commercially available RV's, another possible plus for diesel is the option of building a "one fuel" RV. There are diesel fueled heaters and generators that if combined with maybe an auxiliary fuel tank would eliminate the need for a propane tank for some of those power needs.

[@Ultramobility]

Yes the Alde and I believe the Truma Combi heater/water heaters work via diesel.

[@wolfnaegeli3532]

​@@Ultramobility And the Eberspächer "Espar" brand hydronic air and water heaters as well, one model of which is even available from MB as a factory installed Sprinter option! Espar is standard on the Winnebago Revel 4x4.

[@myfriendjenonline7831]

I’m watching this one year later. Are there any new updates?

[@allentowngal4769]

Gotta admit... if you're an engineer you are blowing my stereotype of engineers :o) I am heavily researching for when I buy my (used) Pleasure Way a few years from now. So it makes sense to research the new ones that will be 2nd hand by the time I buy it right? I have so enjoyed your videos and they have been invaluable in my weighing the options. I am still a bit leery of buying used, mainly because as an older female I'm afraid of being ripped off. I of course want the amenities and convenience but my big goal is the reliability and practicality features. I plan on living in it full time for at least one year after I retire, before I decide where I want to settle. So far Pleasure Way is the manufacturer that I find most people rave is the highest quality. I have decided on gas and either the Ram or Ford chasis. Thank you again for such great informative and unbiased videos on Class B models.

[@Ultramobility]

Allentown Gal - it doesn't hurt to peruse rvtrader.com for used vans. Honestly, it is the way to go. You can get an almost new van with very low miles for a fraction of the cost of new. The trick is to just keep looking. Vans pop up on rvtrader.com all the time. The longer that a van is listed, the more discount you may get. Trust me, I sold my first one there and the new owners got a great deal. I even sold it with the remaining time on the extended warranty so for them it was basically new. Thanks for the comment!

[@allentowngal4769]

thanks so much for the reply! Yup... I have checked that out, but I'm about 4 yrs out from purchasing. Would love to be able to purchase a bit early but not in the budget quite yet :o)

[@mjcubo2246]

allentown Gal: I am in a similar situation. I am using a friend's computer but I am a female who wants to work a few more years before retiring but I want to do these last years employed while on the road traveling while I scope out where I want to settle down. I will be traveling solo as well. Don't know a lick about fixing a car. On the fence about new vs used. Any advice out there for me on which way to go? I have read horror stories about warranties being a joke and taking months to get Class B van repairs. Not good when it is one's home AND mode of transportation. Can't just leave it at the garage for a few months.

[@elainegross6372]

Very helpful ! Thanks

[@Ultramobility]

thanks for watching Elaine!

[@deestephenson6709]

Good info. World is changing daily.

[@Ultramobility]

Yes indeed Dee and in a good way. Thanks for sharing!

[@misterhlam]

Five years to have all electric rv seems reasonable albeit expensive for the given speed of technological innovation of today, and an all electric van rv is a possibility, I humbly think! Thank you for an excellent analysis of class B's engine choice.

[@Ultramobility]

nonnom, i can't wait for the all-electric rv. mb has an all electric sprinter but are not introducing it into the north American market!

[@misterhlam]

I hope I can save enough money for when an all electric/hybrid with some autopilot features on board on b-van is available, so I can get one!

[@rvboondocker2559]

I live in Illinois and most of this conversation and some of the text disturbed me greatly. I decided to do my own due diligence and had no difficulty whatsoever finding diesel that was 5% or less biodiesel. I think it really is overstating the fact. Diesel is readily available in either form in Illinois.

[@Ultramobility]

thanks for sharing that John. as I mentioned in the video I am only reporting what I had read from others on forums, etc. glad to hear that your experience is different. I still believe that the long term prognosis for diesel isn't good however.

[@katsheetz]

I live in Illinois, mostly familiar with diesel for John Deere's it's not the diesel that's the Issue in Illinois it's the TAXES that is sending people out of the state.

[@davidgabrie1302]

Here is a question about Pleasureway Motorhomes... which models have a separate shower and toilet?

[@Ultramobility]

Hi, David. Only the Plateau XL series (class C) have the dry bath (shower and toilet separate). Check them out! I have a review of the XLTS coming out shortly so look out for it. Beautiful bathroom on it!

[@mjcubo2246]

@@Ultramobility Do any of the Class B vans offer the option for a composting toilet (for boondocking) or is it possible to swap the toilets out post-purchase, and would this invalidate a warranty on the other parts of the van?

[@seadog2396]

Interesting presentation. For me, moving around the 11,000 pounds that most class B's weigh, I want diesel for its superior torque. Additionally, what RV'ER wants to spend much time in Minnesota, really? If Bio-20 becomes the norm, Benz will adapt to it.

[@Ultramobility]

I heard that Bradford. To be fair the Ford Ecoboost engine is pretty torquey.

[@waynewolfe3514]

As Micky Lee pointed out B20 is problematic. One of the problems with bio fuels is poor lubrication properties. In the diesel combustion cycle a fractional amount of fuel is picked up by the engine oil thereby degrading engine oil lubrication. I suppose you could run with B20 if your passion was frequently changing Sprinter engine oil. (Don't tell your Mercedes dealer and best have a few spare fuel injectors on hand as well).

[@Ultramobility]

Another excellent. Wayne. Thank you for sharing it’s true that you’ll need to do more frequent oil changes with diesel if you plan on running the underhood generator.

[@paulao7022]

I prefer, a gas operated RV. I like to take State Highways. I'm not always, on the interstate! I love scenic drives!

[@bob4465]

Thank you for the information about the quality of diesel fuel I need to use in a Sprinter. I've yet to fill the tank! California has a winter blend of gasoline, which has a higher methanol content. Is it the same for diesel?

[@Ultramobility]

hi Bob. I think they add something here to prevent the diesel from gelling in cold weather. here in CA it is only to ensure that our engines work when we go up into the sierra mountains other than that we normally wouldn't need it.

[@charlesmiller6281]

A few things I learned after switching to diesel, the fuel itself has something like 20% more energy per unit volume. This is where the improved mpg comes from, and it ain't gonna ever go away. Diesel also is much more of a lubricant, and much less of a solvent, than gas. Which is in part why a diesel engine runs so much longer. And I don't want to go down the hp/torque rabbit hole, but its hard to drive a diesel and not notice the power increase. Because they tend to run lower rpm, and have greater torque at lower rpm, it makes driving a whole lot more pleasurable. Not night and day. Not enough that anyone should feel passionately one way or the other. But enough anyone should notice. And prefer, for RV use anyway, a diesel engine.

[@Ultramobility]

good analysis. thanks for sharing that with others. I prefer diesel myself but understand that some may prefer gas.

[@Propelled]

I paid dearly for this opinion: I’ve had a Sprinter, a VW Toureg, and a BMW X5 all diesel. I really bought into the diesel superiority. The fly in the ointment has been EPA and Euro 5 sensors and junk. It is insane to run them so hot, and make them ingest hot, contaminated waste gas. Diesel COULD be superior but due to the decreased reliability and added maintenance cost, there is no way in the world that cost of ownership is equal. The low lubricity of the fuel and biofuels is a killer. Our CP4 pump shed metal and contaminated the whole system. No matter WHAT, get an after market fuel filter and use additive. The repair bill was $13,000. Yeah, I saved a lot of money on fuel alright. 🥴 So, no more diesels for us.

[@paula.jackson5463]

Thanks for an informative overview of Gas/Diesel. As the XLTS is the van we hope to buy, Diesel it is! Would like to ask some other questions of you and will email you! Very Good Discussion!

[@Ultramobility]

Hi, Paul. Unfortunately due to my time commitments on the vlog I don't do personal emails. But, I'm happy to answer anything here in the comments section so that you and others can benefit from them. Thanks for watching my video and thanks for the compliment. Best, Neil

[@paula.jackson5463]

No problem Neil, will formulate and get to you, but first off have you done a 1 year cost of ownership on your Rig?

[@Ultramobility]

Unfortunately I haven't kept records of my gas but I could calculate it based on my miles. I haven't had any repairs except for those that I caused (e.g. I smashed the passenger side mirror during construction season in Montreal lol) and a hotel valet backed my van up into a city bus so there was body work that had to get done (paid for by the hotel). Other than that I've purchased 1 jug of DEF. No oil changes yet. No repairs or maintenance yet.

[@wolfnaegeli3532]

One more thing that has not been mentioned in the video or in this comment thread, is the advantage of the diesel engine to slow the vehicle down (not spending extra fuel to do that). Engine breaking is much more effective than in a gasoline engine because of the diesel engine's high compression ratio. And because of the Sprinter's shift paddle, it is particularly easy to use. It also provides an extra safety margin when towing a trailer. We drive defensively and tend to avoid urban traffic. Taking advantage of engine breaking, we rarely needed the break pedal for more than light duty. After more than 40,000 miles the break pads and discs on our first Sprinter still were nearly like new. I have not yet driven a 2019 gasoline Sprinter, but it will be a lame duck, particularly when compared to the sportiness of a 144" wheel base Sprinter with 3.0l turbo diesel. Its introduction to the U.S. market is mostly a response to the increasing competition the Sprinter faces from the likes of Ford Transits and Dodge Promasters at the low end of the price range. The lower cost of the gas model will make the Sprinter more attractive again, particularly in relatively flat urban areas, as a delivery or service vehicle with mobile workshop. Many of these don't make more than 15k miles per year, so the power and longevity of the diesel engine is outweighed by the lower price point of the gasoline version. The topography of the intended use area may be the most significant factor in deciding between diesel and gas RVs. If one plans to travel mostly around the Midwest, Florida, or costal plains, diesel makes less sense. However, we live and travel mostly in Appalachia and wouldn't want to miss the torque characteristics of the Merceds diesel engine, particularly when on highways like Interstate 81, which has many stretches of undulating topography. It makes passing 18-wheelers and under-powered RVs laboring up inclines a seemingly endless chore.

[@Ultramobility]

great point about engine braking. i use it all the time!

[@willcorr6783]

Brilliant. !

[@charlesrock2746]

Thank you!!!

[@Ultramobility]

thanks for watching Charles!

[@JodyByTheSeaShore]

Gr8 EDU thanksh!!!!

[@michelleschweizer9000]

Thank you

[@Ultramobility]

you're welcome! thanks for watching!

[@user-hb1km9mn8j]

Great talk, learned so much! Thank you!

[@Ultramobility]

Linhai Cao glad you found it useful and thanks for letting me know! :-)

[@scotttea2048]

Diesel is a bigger question mark RVing in Mexico and Central America. Newer mb diesels, meaning 2007 and newer, run on ultra low sulphur diesel. That can be harder to find in Mexico along with DEF and even an authorized mb diesel mechanic. Traveling south of the border? Gas may be the way to go...

[@Ultramobility]

good point thanks for sharing!

[@robins1241]

Nice

[@Ultramobility]

Glad you enjoyed it Robin!

[@lewissparinlitz4192]

About letting a diesel idle.... 18 wheelers are diesel and those drivers let the trucks idle for hours and hours 6 7 8 hours. It's no problem for the engine should it not be the same with a diesel van?. On the other hand I have heard it said many many times do not let your gas vehicle sit and idle for long periods of time. What about that?

[@BillFerriot]

Thanks for doing these videos! (I’m from Ohio, too :D ). One thing that you had touched on in the comments is the longevity of the Diesel engines (particularly the fleet discussion). I’m not sure if it’s been mentioned, but I’ve read many accounts of owners getting 400, 500, 600 thousand and more miles on these MB chassis. Someone once called them the “million mile engine”. Now, I know a lot of people would probably have moved on to another RV by then, but I find it a strong point for these comparisons. Thanks again, and keep those videos coming!

[@Ultramobility]

Go Buckeyes! Bill, the longevity of the MB diesel is likely the main reason why so many fleet operators own them. Sure these engines have their issues with costly repairs but when you have a fleet of them operating for years with 600k miles on them then those maintenance costs kind of sink away into the noise! thanks for the comment!

[@flydutch1]

The longevity of the older MB diesel engines may or may not prove to be the case with the common rail diesels that are in the Sprinter. There is a very big difference between the two types of diesel engines.

[@waynewolfe3514]

Thanks Neil for another excellent video. Gasoline engines only have to clean up NOx through a catalytic converter. Where as a diesel engine has to clean up both NOx and DPM (diesel soot). The "possible" problem with VoltsStart frequent start and stop diesel engine idling is running a diesel engine cold creates a lot of soot. (Ever seen the black soot coming from a cold winter start up of a large transport truck or a Caterpillar earth mover?) This soot gets trapped by the DPF and needs to get burned off in the engine DPF regeneration cycle. With regular highway driving this probably wouldn't be a problem. Has your Sprinter ever indicated that you need to run the DPF regeneration cycle?

[@RenatoSacchi]

diesel engine does not indicate it require a regeneration, the process is automatic. If you get that message means the filter is clogged and neeed service. Greetings from Europe

[@waynewolfe3514]

Hello Renota from Canada. Agreed. The Sprinter engine monitors the pressure differential across the DPF. If it senses a clogging situation it warns you to get out and drive at highway speed (regeneration). Ignoring this will put you into "limp mode" needing to service a clogged filter.

[@Ultramobility]

Exactly right, Renato. Jury's still out as to whether things like underhood generators cause the DFP to need to be serviced. Thanks for sharing.

[@Ultramobility]

Hi, Wayne. I haven't had any problems with my DFP and don't expect to. Am interested to see longer term how folks who are using Voltstart regularly fair. Jim Hammill at Roadtrek doesn't believe it will be a problem.

[@andys623]

Ford transit diesel offers 2 options for regen plus B20 ready. check it out.

[@jotsingh8917]

I am driving a sprinter camper and love it. However, the biggest concern is finding qualified repair and maintenance outside of MB dealers with their nose bleed charges. Further, you can't go to Mexico as their diesel is not so good. And then there is the environmental concerns about diesel engines.

[@Ultramobility]

All super valid points Jot Singh. What sprinter camper do you have?

[@BillFerriot]

Jot Singh have you looked at Freightliner? They are certified and all over the U. S.

[@gosman949]

You never mentioned the torque difference between diesel and gas. Generally diesels have more low end torque which helps in the mountains. I suspect though, that this is less of a consideration in vans than in the big diesel pushers VS gas on the class As?

[@Ultramobility]

It is less of a consideration for vans but still a consideration especially when towing or carrying a lot of weight. In those cases there will be a noticeable difference in performance with the diesel achieving much greater performance. thanks for pointing that out.

[@John101B]

Isn't the new gas engine on the new sprinter a turbo engine? If that's the case, I guess performance over mountains isn't going to be as bad... Unless they used much smaller displacement engine...

[@vickielane7387]

Great information! Especially like hearing about gas engine for 2019. I want gas, hubby wants silver star, He figured our talk of rv was over because no gas silver star...lol Niel, how do you get that picture on your window? Thanks for the videos it's a lot of work I imagine!

[@Ultramobility]

Hi, Vickie. It sounds like the talk goes on! I use video editing software to superimpose the picture onto the window. It is a lot of work but I enjoy it and enjoy hearing that people find them helpful!

[@frankgioia]

Different and informative approach. Nicely done! Hoping to pull the trigger on an RV this year and I am shying away from diesels for a variety of reasons. Love diesel engines. They are perfect for RVs but..... I had a Peugeot Diesel in the 80s. It was pretty quiet, never had black smoke. I miss my diesel. I got rid of it because I saw the anti diesel trend. Diesel was cheaper than regular and it slowly started getting expensive. Today it is pricey. Sad that between improved clean technologies and superior mpg, power, diesels are better than gas engines. I am torn about under the hood generators. As a bit of a Motor-head. Vehicle engines are basically designed to move the vehicle, not to idle. Prolong idling doesn't sit well in my mind.

[@Ultramobility]

Frank, Mercedes agrees with you about the idling which is why they don' like MasterUpfitters doing it. Pleasureway and others don't do it because they want to keep their MasterUpfitters status. As far as diesel. I've owned two Sprinter vans and have loved them both. Of course my first servicing is overdue and I need to take it in. we will see how much it costs!

[@frankgioia]

I believe the Sprinter has a big oil requirement so it will be expensive from an outlay prospective. But reality not as bad when you consider the interval and quantity(slightly less than a tanker lol).

[@flydutch1]

@@frankgioia- Beware of the MB 20,000 mile oil change interval!!

[@flybyairplane3528]

Frank Gioia Did you know that it was PEUGEOT, HAD INVENTED THE SOOT FILTER FOR DIESELS? True, but rather than patent it,,they HAVE IT FREE DOMAIN to any diesel manufacturer to use , So now you know the rest of the story. Cheers from NJ

[@jaybliss1081]

It's all in the BTU content of each fuel. Gas is lowest, Diesel/Biodiesel is next up, Diesel is highest energy content.

[@andys623]

Ford says B20 is ok in their Transit diesel.

[@Ultramobility]

Yep, Ford knows the north American market. Thanks for sharing Antone.

[@TheRubberduchess]

I think you should amend this into your video this could be a game changer for some....like me

[@varzel]

why 90% of advice videos on yt assume we all living in us? in eu we got only 1 option 4 vans , i wonder why...