Quality? Technology? Price? Which Class B RV Manufacturer is the Best

[@marcdsh6998]

Another very useful video from you, many thanks. I have been hesitating on what brand to choose for some time but you are helping focus on a specific purchase, again, thank you.

[@Ultramobility]

Marc, I'm glad I can be of some help. I love Class B's and I want people who are thinking of buying to be happy with their purchase. Let us know how you're getting along as you move closer to a purchase!

[@marksethcullen]

Thank you for the video. I am a premium buyer. I looked at Pleasureway and Airstream and was very disappointed by both. (I can give you a list of reasons if you're interested). I chose a Midwest Automotive Passage 144. Highest quality by far of all rvs I looked at. I'm surprised Midwest Automotive didn't make your list of premium rvs.

[@Ultramobility]

Glad it was helpful!

[@tlewispersonal]

Neil, thank you for your excellent contributions through this channel. I have been researching and learning about RVs for two years in anticipation of making my first Class B purchase and have found your channel one of the most valuable, honest and intelligent sources. I would be grateful if you would dedicate an episode to the dealer experience. For example, in the Salt Lake City area where I live, Camper World has bought up the two largest RV dealers. There reputation is horrendous. There are thousands of complaints online and everyone I talk to who has dealt with them shares their own horror story. Now there are no other Class B dealers in this market. The buying experience is unsavory and the service is deplorable. I have a feeling that many people do not discover this until it is too late. I would welcome your thoughts.

[@Ultramobility]

tlewispersonal - thank you very much for your kind words and for watching my channel. i'm glad that you find it useful - it's one of the reasons why i started it. when i was looking there were no resources for me. no channel that I could educate myself in preparation for spending a boat load of money. with regards to the dealer experience. it's a great idea for an episode and I have logged it. thank you!

[@alexancheta9562]

Instinctively, I was thinking about these quadrants but I did not visualize it the same way. But I am essentially a performance value internalized buyer. I look at quality and performance but I’m willing to go for mid-level instead of top of the line for as long as the features and quality I want is present in the rig.

[@alexancheta9562]

Because of my choice I’m getting a Leisure Travel Van Unity Twin Bed

[@Ultramobility]

Alex, that so good to hear that you've found the video useful. Knowing what kind of buyer I am also helped me a great deal. As I mentioned in the video I thought I was a performance buyer only to find out after making a purchase decision based on performance that I was actually a premium buyer. It was a costly mistake. As you go along your journey please keep us informed on what vans you're considering and how they measure up to your performance buying mindset.

[@energymaven]

I think you nailed it Neil with your quadrants. I didn't even have to pause the video and guessed we were Premium buyers. We bought a PW last summer and I agree with you in thinking that the quality is better than Air Stream. That said, there is one thing I wish PW would address which is their window shades. And Mercedes or PW needs to address the lousy stereo system and lack of vehicle alarm. We spent $3k upgrading so we now have alarm, satellite radio, CarPlay, better speakers, better navigation, bigger screen. Seems like a no brainer to me.

[@Ultramobility]

Hi, Energymaven, thanks for your comment! There's a great video by an actual 2017 Airstream Interstate Grand Tour Ext buyer where he shows all the quality issues with his purchase. Here's the link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nYvZZItrorykask When I was out looking I also looked at an Airstream and was surprised by some of their fit and finish behind the veneer. I found missing screws and bolts rattling around and messes of cables with little pride put into their design and placement. It was as if the shiny cabinets and aluminum should be enough. I hope this video helps to push class b manufacturers to do a better job on quality control. I agree that PW needs to up their game with regards to components. As I mention in the video it isn't all about fit and finish (which I think PW does better than anyone else). For us premium buyers there is a level of components and upgrades that needs to be addressed as well and PW would do well to listen to those of us who have shelled out our hard earned dollars to buy their products. Well stated!

[@energymaven]

Wow, that's quite a few issues he went through. He should have gotten a PW. The truth is, I didn't even discover them until very late in our research.

[@Ultramobility]

You mean you didn't discover Pleasure-way right? They are so small compared to the other manufacturers who at this point are all owned by larger conglomerates. I'm pulling for them as the scrappy underdog but they are going to have to significantly up their game and play smarter if they hope to survive.

[@tracy3066]

Ultramobility unfortunately for me even though Pleasureway has a great product I couldn’t ever switch to them because I don’t want a Sprinter or a Promaster and that’s all they make. 😕

[@KhmerMinnesnowta]

We've been doing Airbnb Class since our retirement. It works for us. Cheers from the Twin Cities!

[@MU5TANG5]

Thanks for the welcome statement! Thank you for the pictorial diagram which I copied for me and my wife's to figure out what our requirements are for a class B. We were looking at Class C's, the pros and cons. Since my wife is entertaining the idea for the Class B and indicated that she would drive it; this will be the way to go. Thanks again!

[@Ultramobility]

You're more than welcome Mu5tang5! My parents are in the same boat. They have a big diesel pusher class A and are thinking of downsizing to either a class b or a class C. My mom likes the idea of the extra space with a slideout in the class c but my Dad likes the sleek look of the class B. It is always nice when the spouse is willing to drive! Let us know how things are going. I know people here would like to hear your experiences!

[@193322009]

Great useful information. Sometime, in the near future, I think it would be quite useful if you did the same type of assessment on Camper-Van chassis, motors and transmissions. We have had 5 motorhomes, 1 class A, 2 camper-vans, 1 class B and 1 class B+. The worst experience was with a Class A using a large block Chevy V-8, that blew on us. The best experience was on the class B + with the Ford Triton V-10, 5 speed transmission. As a retired Human Factors Engineer I also look quite closely to the "man-machine interface" on the various internal systems. Thanks for a great video, but try to keep your hands down a bit. You are an excellent speaker.

[@Ultramobility]

hey there and thank you for your tips and pointers. Will log your request Bob. You're not the only one who has commented on my over-gesticulation. This is an older video and I have since been trying to keep my arms from flailing about wildly as I talk. I guess I get pretty passionate about what I'm talking about. Future videos are less hand-flailing but do afford me the occasional flourish!

[@colleenkaralee2280]

Premium, thank you. I'm the kind of person who would hire an interior decorator while the Class B is being customized. :-) At the same time I agree with the President of Neiman Marcus - a high end department store - that "good taste does not have to be expensive".

[@meredithmoore5037]

I listen to/watch all of your videos. You are by far the most helpful in untangling the plethora of information regarding which class be would be best for me. This video really defined which buyer I am. I also found the gas vs diesel video extremely informative. Please keep up the great work you are doing!

[@desireelamarche7149]

This was awesome. I already knew I liked Airstream and had figured out Pleasure Way was of even higher quality. I fell in love with the Lexor TS model. Big fridge, full bath with a window, kitchen counter space, convection oven, big bed/two twins as well....and the really big one Surround Windows! Then I looked at the price....So I'm thinking now....should I do it?

[@Ultramobility]

I reviewed the Lexor FL here and the price of this exception van as advertised at the dealer was $109k. I'm sure you could get them down. Check it out! kzbin.info/www/bejne/hYu6iYNrhaabjdU

[@Margaret-1661]

I wish you made this about a year ago when I first started doing my research! Everything in this video is 100 accurate. I’m sure you will be helping many people by condensing your wealth of knowledge into this very practical exercise. Your channel is really one of the best for anyone looking to learn about RVING.

[@Ultramobility]

Hi tuckered out. Thank you so much for your comment! I really appreciate it. I really do hope that my videos are helpful to people that’s the reason why I created my channel. I really want people to find their right RV and then enjoy it because it can be such a great life changing lifestyle changing event.

[@josephgreer6528]

I seem to be in the lower left quadrant, that you called CONVENIENCE. I would describe it as having a minimum list of required features with some price sensitivity. Less interest in advanced features at high price. Hence we have pointed at Winnebago's higher line ERA and some lower models of the mid-quality manufacturers.

[@warrenbarnes9653]

Neil, now that Roadtrek is out of business, whom do you recommend for performance buyers? Thank you.

[@LadyTSurvival]

this helped alot thank you. i have been waffling back and forth and couldn't decide. but at least i know more than i did.

[@Ultramobility]

Taraz, glad you found it helpful. thanks for watching!

[@LadyTSurvival]

your very welcome unfortunately i wont ever be able to afford one of these. :(

[@danfarrer5447]

Thank you. I have not yet made my first purchase and your analysis tool is quite helpful. I thought that I leaned toward performance, and was my initial answer. I really like the progressive thinking options offered by RoadTrek. Yet, after hearing your personal story, I realized that my hesitation was because I really prefer the quality of Pleasure-Ways. In the back of my mind is a KZbinr who did a great job of showing that the practical promise of solar is oversold. I wish I remembered who it was. Yet, I wish that Pleasure-Way was a bit more progressive. Gravity may never fail, but there are times when it is helpful in dumping uphill. I prefer induction cooking over propane. I have lived with propane, but it is a preference and one that I should be able to satisfy at that price-point. So, thank you for helping to determine the target audience for these manufacturers.

[@Ultramobility]

Dan, really nice reading your comment. I think there are a lot of potential buyers like yourself. Agree that solar is oversold and the negativity surrounding generators is also hyped up. I agree that Pleasureway needs to move out of their comfort zone a bit more and they are trying. They recently released their AGS (automatic generator start) to compete with Voltstart and they are the first (and only) class b manufacturer to offer lithium ion batteries as standard on all their products. These are great moves on their part and demonstrate their willingness to challenge Roadtrek in the product leadership category. Great comments. Thanks for sharing.

[@tracy3066]

Ultramobility See and I didn’t want the lithium batteries. I live in a cold state and and I’ve heard lithium batteries don’t do well In cold areas. Don’t get me wrong I would love lithium batteries but for now I just went with the four 6 volt AGM batteries.

[@MrTimerider1160]

A very good educational video. This subject matter can become somewhat confusing, however, your comments have gone a long way to bring more clarification!! I look forward to hearing more from you in the future.

[@Ultramobility]

many thanks - i'm glad that you've found my videos helpful!

[@toptobottom247]

Roadtrek. CS and E-Trek series gets me excited. The only thing I don't like about Roadtrek is the traditional cabinetry style. I prefer the euro modern and glossy style cabinets.

[@Ultramobility]

I believe they now have a modern high gloss option now. i prefer it to their traditional wood work as well.

[@robertcarpenter8380]

Great insightful video. I have watched a ton of these and never someone so detailed and educationally focused. Loved it.Keep up the great work. I will be watching.

[@Ultramobility]

Hi, Robert. Thank you so much for your kind words. I appreciate it. Don't worry I am going to continue to try and make videos that folks find useful!

[@robertcarpenter8380]

Your quadrants really helped me determine why I have been vacillating between different manufactures. As you stated what I need to determine is who I am and what would make me happy. Not chasing the latest and advertised greatest. Fortunately your personal needs and mine are really close so your insights were really helpful.

[@Ultramobility]

Robert, I'm glad the video is helping you. I found it helpful in my journey toward purchasing my dream RV. Please keep us informed how your search is going! Best, Neil

[@tracy3066]

I think one point that was missed that is also very important to me (and might be important to others) is for those wanting to be part of a community of other owners who bought the same rigs. Roadtrek has the best community out there with other owners in it! You can go on a Roadtrek FB Page and ask any questions about your rig and within seconds you can get answers! There are also Roadtrek rallies you can attend. It’s one of the best perks about owning a Roadtrek!! Even the CEO of Roadtrek is on the Roadtrek lifestyle page answering questions to Roadtrek owners! I don’t see any other RV CEO doing that!! The Chevy Roadtrek Owners FB group is great and I learn so much from other Chevy owners! (I created the Chevy owners group back in June of 2017 when I ordered my Roadtrek and there are already almost 1,800 members in it) And thousands and thousands of more in the other Roadtrek Facebook groups!

[@Ultramobility]

That's a great point, Tracy. The Pleasureway group is private which is silly to me. They need to just have an open group so that prospective buyers can join and ask questions. There are active groups for both brands on ClassB Forum (www.classbforum.com/).

[@michaelgehrke9297]

I too thought I was a performance based rv buyer , but now believe I'm premium . Thanks for a great video .

[@Ultramobility]

michael, i'm glad my video helped you clear up what kind of buyer you are. i made that mistake and it was a costly $140k mistake.

[@CanadaFree.6014]

Hi Neil, thank you for your information. My husband and I are just starting to consider Class B motor homes to purchase over the next year or so. I do love the Pleasure Way models from what I've seen on video, but dealers are at least 10 hrs drive away. We live in NB, Canada. They are also a little too pricey. Locally, choices are limited. What do you think of the quality and functionality of the 2019 Coachman Crossfit 22'? Our goal is to travel around to National/State & Provincial Parks in Canada and US for a few months at a time. Some boondocking. Some camp sites. Reliability, functionality, adequate storage, natural light, good quality are important to us. Any other recommendations for models here in Canada? Thank you!

[@Ultramobility]

Coachmen quality is okay. i'm unhappy with their 1 year warranty. I have a review of the crossfit (and later galleria) coming. Roadtrek has okay quality. Midwest automotive has pretty good quality. you may want to consider a safari condo out of Quebec but their wait list is 1 year I believe. or you can look for a used pleasure-way that's also a great route to go.

[@jimmymacfarland3724]

Your videos present a wealth of valuable information. Very good buyer guidance with details that you understand they need. Excellent videos.

[@Ultramobility]

Hi, Jimmy thank you so much I appreciate the praise!

[@c.bailey1458]

What a perfect description for my rationale in shifting from the Roadtrek to the Pleasure-way. I too wish that I had had your tool when I decided to buy my Agile last year. Though, since it was also my first RV, I’m not sure I would have been able to make proper use of it. I wonder if, for the RV ignorant, even those who may be more premium buyers, it might make sense to start out more on the “value” end. Though I lost money in shifting so quickly from an Agile to an Ascent, I almost feel like I the Agile was my “apprentice” vehicle.....definitely don’t think I could have been as clear about what I liked and didn’t without having had that intimate time with the Agile. In short, part of how I learned I was a more “premium” buyer (according to your scale) was by spending time in the “performance” RV. In any case, this is a fabulous exercise and helps me feel better about the fact that I’ve got to wait several long months for my new Ascent. Thank you!

[@Ultramobility]

It’s a good point about starting out with a value priced van. Maybe even a used van. Of course many may not have the funds to buy one RV and then upgrade.

[@c.bailey1458]

Ultramobility Yes, you’re right. And it also occurs to me that another way folks might figure this out before actually buying an RV is by using your tool and then extrapolating from what they know about their other purchasing tendencies. Am guessing, e.g., that Apple product buyers (like me) probably fall into the “premium” category on lots of things. Am not suggesting this is a good think, BTW, it’s got pluses and minuses for sure, but good clues to have about oneself. More ways of figuring out what sort of RV will tick one’s boxes without taking the plunge. Great tool!

[@Ultramobility]

well that's a great point you make. when I reflect back upon many of my purchases I fall into the premium category as well. that should be a good hint that buying an RV is likely no different. i really wish i had gone through my own exercices the first time because it cost me a lot of money to offload a practically brand new rig to upgrade to the Ascent. That's one of the primary reasons why I'm doing this channel because $140k is more than I paid for my college education lol.

[@roseboudreaux4645]

Hi Neil, I’m curious, with the 2019 models available now, would you change your opinions about which manufacturer fits into each category? I’m seeing most now offer solar, lithium, voltstart (or whatever the make calls it) ducked heating etc. I like the layout of the Travato kl because I would like twin beds and the ability to bring little ones with me, it has extra seat belts in the front of the coach. Your thoughts?

[@katarinadicamella]

I really like listening to him, I've watched all of the brand he mentions I'm surprised I haven't looking into roadtrek much, I guess I'm performers group, and now going to check the roadtrek!but before I go... subscribed😉

[@Ultramobility]

hi, Katerina - welcome to the family and thank you for subscribing!

[@cpakeehlee]

Very useful video. Bad thing was I already purchased RV without these info and made pricy mistakes. I have to look forward for the second time.

[@Ultramobility]

Hi Kee Lee. I'm sorry to hear that you made the same mistake as me. Would you mind sharing with the community your experience? I'm sure others would find it very helpful!

[@cpakeehlee]

I bought my 2017 Airstream Tommy Bahama edition about a year ago. Airstream was not my first choice. E-trek from Roadtrek was the first choice. However, the Roadtrek dealer treated me badly, like I was not entitled to have a RV. Airstream dealer was much better. They let me have a test drive and it appeared inside RV looked very good. I paid $165K including taxes. I thought that was a good deal b/c they gave me $20K discount. I am not a good negotiator so I don't have any complaints if I paid more, may be around $10K. Nevertheless, I did not expect problems after I got it. The way the dealer's service dept treating me was not up to the price I paid. Driver side molding came out and the step for sliding door did not work. Each time I had to beg them for the repairs. Later I found out the Lemon Law does not apply to RVs. That is main reason they treat their customer that way after they sold. After three times, I decided not to go unless I have major breakdowns. I rather pay to other local RV dealers for minor repairs instead of facing insult from them. My problems with Airstream are 1. Monitor Panel: 0, 1/3, 2/3, full are only available. Under this condition, 70% tank and 99% tank are not different. So which one is it? Very inconvenient. 2. Design of seat and bed. As seats, they are fine, but to a bed, you can find too much holes between edge. I had to spread something to not to feel uncomfortness. 3. Macerator pump did not work sometimes depend on outside temperature. Also I have to struggle to put back the hose to limited spaced box. 4. Sound of air conditioning is so loud. Very difficult to endure. I am still learning about this RV. At least I am happy with the car itself. Good powerful ride, comfortable chair and good heating and air conditioning. I will learn from you and others for my second act.

[@Ultramobility]

Kee Lee, first of all I'm sorry you've experienced all those problems with your Airstream Interstate. SEcond, I'd like to thank you for sharing your experiences here on Ultramobility. I think many will find your experiences helpful. Having said that I too had 2 terrible experiences with Roadtrek dealers. They also treated me with a lack respect. With my Roadtrek I also had problems with my electric step not retracting properly. I never liked the macerator pump as it was noisy and took too long to empty the tanks. I've heard another owner of an Interstate complain about the bed as well. Stay tuned, this next week's episode is about quality!

[@tracy3066]

Ultramobility I think this shows another important thing to think about. And that’s picking a good dealer. I’m smack dab in the middle of 2 Roadtrek dealers in opposite directions. I researched both and picked the one I heard great things about and they have been great to deal with! If both weren’t good I would have flown to Florida and went to Sunshine RV and got my Roadtrek. They have also have a great reputation of taking care of their customers!

[@kjlcycler]

The Travato layout makes the most sense to me for two people. I like being able to use the driver & passenger seats for dining & leave beds set up. Quality needs to improve. Too many issues in Facebook Travato Forum.

[@Ultramobility]

My next episode will also give a nod to Travato! I like the 59K layout the bed in the G layout doesn't work for a couple. AGree about quality. Next episode will be all about quality. Winnebago has good quality control but has to cut corners on fit and finish and assembly in order to remain the low price leader. Buyers just need to understand this and be comfortable with this before buying. Still, Winnebago's quality is much higher than Carado! Wait for my next video!

[@tracy3066]

Kevin Letostak One thing that turned me off about the Travato FB form is that Stefani said they don’t allow complaints on it. In my Roadtrek Chevy FB group I allow the good and bad. To me and I think it’s important to have both!

[@kjlcycler]

Tracy agreed. I questioned the high level of problems & was corrected quickly :)

[@MrEnigel]

Thanks for your awesome video, now you made me think about what kind of buyers. For a while, I was convinced on be focus on the performance side but last night I watched a video of a new 2018 promaster pleasure way class B and I really loved the way was described the van and since you mention as premium brand most likely I going be study more about them

[@Ultramobility]

Hi, MrEnigel. I'm glad that you've found my video useful - that's why I make them! I too thought I was a performance buyer until I purchased based on that only to find that I regretted my decision. All the bells and whistles didn't matter to me - I wanted a premium brand. So, I sold my first RV (and took a deep hit) and purchased a PleasureWay. I've been much happier. Of course it is also possible that a premium buyer can have buyer's remorse as well thinking they want premium only to find that they really wanted all those bells and whistles. The Lexor is a great great little class B. It is almost identical to the Ascent in layout but has a nicer bathroom. Plus you get an extra foot of length which is nice. Thanks for your comment and sharing your thoughts with the rest of the viewers!

[@KC53557]

I’m someone who likes to buy a vehicle that is top of the line in all categories but is a few years old, so the depreciation is already taken off the price how can I find such deals with RVs and how do I know? I’m getting a goodbye.

[@hung14nguyen]

Thank you for the information. What about the “most reliable” quadrant? Do you have any ideas?

[@colleenkaralee2280]

I'm wondering why Advanced RV is not running neck-to-neck with Pleasure Way as far as fit and finish go?

[@williamlanier4719]

Under the benefit category, shouldn't resale value be a major consideration? If so, do more expensive brands generally retain their values better than lower priced units?

[@davidflory1653]

Neil, I think that an update is in order. Thor Sequence and Tellaro, now seem to be the value leaders as of 2021. What do you think? Great video for when it was made.

[@kjlcycler]

Another nice video for the Class B shopper. FYI-the Paseo is more expensive than the Travato.

[@Ultramobility]

Hi, Kevin. Yep, I caught that myself. I'll make a note in the video. Thanks for the comment!

[@lauravekemans7573]

Thank you for the info. I'm struggling with whether to buy a gas or Mercedes Benz diesel Class B. My concern is the diesel and biodiesel situation mainly in the United States and the effect on the Mercedes engine. I know Mercedes has stopped producing diesel cars for Canada and the United States due to the problems with biodiesel effects. I want a Class B that will last me how many years. Would love to hear your comments.

[@Ultramobility]

Hi, Laura. Take a look at my video on diesel vs. gas. I talk about this exact challenge. kzbin.info/www/bejne/b5ndgWRpaLd8pac Bottom line: wait for model year 2019 gas sprinter.

[@williamreimund9001]

Who do you recommend now that Roadtrek is out of business?

[@ldyvic]

I am curious why you did not list Leisure Travel Vans. They are in the same price point range & quality.

[@Ultramobility]

Hi, Foster Animals. No doubt LTV is high quality. Right up there with Pleasureway however in this video I'm mainly talking about class b vans and not class C motorhomes. LTV used to be in the class b market but they existed a few years back and now only focus on class C vans. Great question and thanks for asking it.

[@ldyvic]

Ultramobility , Thank you for the quick response. I thought the 22 & 24 FT models of both companies (PW & LTV) were called B+. I am brand new to all if the RV lingo/terms. I just last month started the research and prep into getting an RV. I am partially disabled so I need to be careful in my selections. As I am now on SSI, it will need to be my transportation and my home. Your channel is being a great help in teaching me the things I will need to know to be successful in the choice and maintenance of the RV. On a side note, the 360 camera videos are awesome. They are very helpful for people like me who are on bed rest 3 or 4 days a week.It is like having a magic window to the world. Please keep those coming. That is one of the main reasons I am looking to get an RV. If I am going to be stuck in a bed for 3 or 4 days, I should be someplace pretty to look at.

[@Ultramobility]

I'm glad you find my videos helpful. I will definitely continue to make the 360 degree videos. There is no legitimate class called "B plus" at least not according to the United States and Canadian governments. There are only 3 classes of motorhomes: A, B and C. Class A rigs are built on a heavy duty commercial truck or commercial bus chassis. Class Bs are built on a van chassis and Class C is built on a light duty truck chassis. "Class B+" is a marketing term conjured up by motorhome manufacturers to try to differentiate their products from the competition. Generally speaking what they mean is "our class C doesn't have the berth over the cab". If you look at most "class b+" motorhomes you'll see that they are basically a class C without the berth over the cab. That's the only difference. By law, they are classified as a Class C motorhome and that is the way they would be registered with the DMV. Hope that helps!

[@oatiko3065]

Great video! We’re in the market for a 4x4 van for 2 to live in full time. I believe we’re in the Performance focused and a bit overwhelmed with the selections. Would you by chance have some recommendations? Requirements would be 4x4, Wet bath and Solar. Thank you!

[@potodds_trading]

Leisure Van Travel seem pretty top notch. Serenity MB with the 32" TV and reclining chair is very nice.

[@potodds_trading]

Oh saw ur reply about B+. Full timing would seem to be better at B+ and higher

[@Ultramobility]

Hi, Lap Wah Lee. Maybe... If you're full timing then one thing you're likely going to want is a vehicle that both blends in (for those times when you most stealth or urban camp) and is also easy to get around in urban areas (parking on the street in standard spots or in parking lots). In those cases, a standard class B van is better. However, you're right in that the B+ vans have a lot more living room. We're the Russos have a channel about living out of their Class B van. They give a lot of good reasons why they downsized from a Class A down to a smaller 19 foot class B. You may want to check them out.

[@charme9]

Many thank for this video, cause as you said I’m pretty confused about buy a Vr class B , those are some much expensive and made the right choice can be a nightmare!!!

[@Ultramobility]

Glad I could help!

[@RobSchneiderman]

Isn't this partially model specific? The Roadtrek E-Trek, for example, has all the features (Under-hood gen, Lithium Batteries, Volt-Start, & Tons of solar) and the high price to match. It also has the compressor fridge that PW lacks.

[@Ultramobility]

Hi, Rob. Not sure I understand the question? I'd classify Roadtrek currently as manufacturer performance buyers should look at due to their product leadership (for all the features you mention). They are not the least expensive and they are not a luxury brand. They have a range of different products at differing price levels but their low end models will never match Winnebago in terms of price/quality and their high end models will never match Airstream and Pleasureway in terms of build quality and craftsmanship. Does this make sense?

[@RobSchneiderman]

Oh, I misunderstood.... BTW, I really love your new channel!

[@scottanson7524]

Great ! Thanks for the help ! I have zero pleasure way dealers around me .. but have been looking at premium brand - Airstream interstate ... so much better than WB if ya ask me ! I enjoy your video s

[@Ultramobility]

Hey, Scott. Airstream is a great premium brand and not at all in the same league as WB. You might want to see if there are any dealers in a different state that offers a fly and buy program. I know some dealers here in California offer that. Just a thought! Thanks for your comment!

[@sadielaurentiwhitley3762]

Thank you, this video was very detailed, and very helpful.

[@jeanbatty4371]

Okay RoadTrek no longer exists. What van is best for a Performance buyer now?

[@jaykaydee5772]

Excellent commentary based on actual experience with class B’s. Your voice and opinion has “gravitas”.

[@Siman727]

OMG! I’m definitely in a premium quadrant and I’ve been searching for Airstream & Pleasure Way. However, I’m more leaning toward to PW Plateau TS, since it’s a foot less than AS and no electric steppers! I love your channel! Great videos and very informative, thank you!!! 😇🙏

[@Ultramobility]

Siman, glad you find my channel helpful! Thanks for watching. Agree with you on the power step. Had one on my Roadtrek CS Adventurous and it broke. Those things aren't durable enough - salt and water gets up there and shorts things out. No reason why they're needed. A fixed step always works!

[@Siman727]

Ultramobility Exactly!!! One less thing to worry! It’s kinda annoying as a matter of fact 😜 What do think of having a composting toilet (nature’s head)? Will it work in wet bath? If yes, will it be possible to turn the black tank to combine with the gray tank? Thanks!!

[@Ultramobility]

I'm not a fan yet of compositing toilets. I think they are finicky. I get their environmental appeal but they have some things to work out. Are you asking if it's possible to combine the black with the gray to make one large gray tank?

[@Siman727]

Ultramobility Yes! Either one big gray tank or turning the black into gray to have two gray tanks. I have watched a few videos about the nature’s head compositing toilet, they are great! You only need to dump once every few months. No smell whatsoever! I plan to do more boondocking than RV Parks. Live in full time with 2 cats LOL. Will be interesting to find out...

[@Ultramobility]

Hi Siman. I'm not sure about modding to combine the black and gray tanks. Probably is possible but each RV has custom tank fittings so you'd need to examine that closely. Also would void the warranty if that matters to you. Tank management isn't really that big of a deal. The key for me is to locate nearby facilities where you can preferably dump for free (like local water treatment plans) Once you figure that out tanks are nice, clean and convenient.

[@renatapizzutti450]

Hi Neil, what VR brands would you recommend for the three quadrants these days?

[@gosman949]

Where does Leisure Travel Van fit in this?

[@Ultramobility]

They are high quality for sure. I generally only focus on class b vans and leisure travel is not making class b vans any longer.

[@gosman949]

Good point! They are close to class B. I would classify some of their product as B+. No slides and no overhead sleeper should qualify them as B+.

[@jhorsty]

Great to the point informative content here.I chose the Premium buyer,and with the Tofino being recently added by Pleasure-Way,seems to meet my needs exactly at a reasonable price point as well.A win-win on two types of buyer if it has the features that are important to you.

[@transporter78213]

Advanced RV. Yes I know, $235,000.00 is pricey for a class B, but the customer gets to design it the way they want it, and the technology rivals if not exceeds Roadtrek. It is the Marathon Coach of the B class industry. That being said, I do appreciate PW, and am looking forward to their future products. If I am not mistaken, I believe Dean in one of his recent videos mentioned that the lithium batteries can be charged with the engine alternator in 2018 models. A plus indeed.

[@Ultramobility]

Hey transporter78213 - thanks for the comment. I believe even the 2017's charge from the alternator as well. I see mine recharging as I'm driving. it is a big help as it tops up the batteries before arriving at your final destination.

[@transporter78213]

Ultramobility awesome. I have been aware of PW, but until recently I haven't given them serious consideration. Now that I am SINGLE, it would make sense to look at a coach for ONE. ;) I plan on living in my coach for weeks if not months at a time when I retire here soon. I find the MB model with the electric sofa to be quite sufficient. As a matter of fact I would be content with JUST the sofa. I don't think they would construct one without the MB. LOL!

[@transporter78213]

Ultramobility I just found this gentleman and thought I'd share. You may already be familiar with him. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fJq4Y4Oma99lmck

[@Ultramobility]

Yep, like him and his channel. thanks for sharing

[@dreamingrightnow1174]

@@transporter78213 George of Humble Road is exactly who I thought of when you mentioned Advanced RV. The van he is building will be at the very top of the line, and what a treat for anyone who buys it and has it's complete build history on video tape! I'm very curious what the price will be too. Personally I much prefer a custom build to any of the premanufactured offerings out there. In my opinion they are ignoring the nuevo full timers who prefer urban-friendly, high tech, sleek and light eurovans with beefy solar arrays. They don't want their grandad's rv with the microwaves and black tanks and propane.

[@lesbennett5206]

Hi I thought I was a performance customer I find myself looking at the premium RV’s. Would you say the leisure wonder Vin is premium or performance or a combination. Thank you

[@songexpress]

I guess that I am qualified as a current "performance" based RV owner because I own a Roadtrek and my old RV was "COST" based Winnebago RV. I will think about the premium RV in future. Love your awesome videos!

[@Ultramobility]

Hey Jay! Thanks for your comment and support! When I owned my Roadtrek I thought I was a performance buyer and if I were Roadtrek would definitely be the manufacturer for me. So do you think you're still a performance based buyer or are you thinking maybe you're a premium brand buyer?

[@songexpress]

I think you nailed that Roadtrek as a performance based Class B RV... However I may change in future like you toward a premium based buyer.

[@Ultramobility]

Keep us informed of your journey!

[@AndrewIsaac]

I must admit, you have some excellent content on this channel. I've just discovered your videos and have been binge watching everything. :) Can't wait for more. I have been researching RVs for a while now, and recently came to the decision that a Class B would make the most sense for many of the same reasons you decided to go that route; second vehicle, ease of getting around, etc. Plus I too work from home, and would love to be able to use this as a mobile office from time to time. My wife and I love the extra room, and quality of the Leisure Travel Vans, but realistically they're not practical....for me. Quality means a lot to me and Pleasure-Way has always stood out, but I am still a bit price conscious. I really can't see going with anything other than a PW, so I'm leaning toward their Lexor TS model. Based on the ProMaster chassis, it's less expensive than the Sprinter based models. The nearest PW dealer is a few hundred miles away and I haven't had a chance to make a trip to test drive any of the models, so I'm hoping you can answer a few questions before I get out there. 1. What's your opinion on the Lexor TS and have you had a chance to drive it? Length wise, it's only about a foot longer than the Ascent, but I'd expect a similar "feel" to both vehicles. 2. What's your opinion on buying used/pre-owned? Being price conscious, I'm a believer in letting someone else take the depreciation hit. My last couple cars have both been low mileage, short term lease returns that I swiped up from dealerships for a good price. Looking through RVTrader, I've noticed a few low mileage (less than 20K) 2016 & 2017 models at decent prices. I appreciate any feedback you may have and thanks for great videos!

[@Ultramobility]

Hi, Andrew. Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts with the community here and thank you for letting me know that you find my channel valuable. That's the whole reason why I do this channel. I didn't have any channel like this when I purchased my RV and I wish I did. Here's the short answer to your questions. I will be doing a future episode where I cover the similarities and differences between the Ascent and Lexor so stay tuned! 1. I LOVE the Lexor TS. I think it is one of the best layouts; best quality and best values on the class b market. Hands down. It is only a foot longer than the Ascent which means that it gains all the same benefits as the Ascent in terms of being able to drive and use it as a second car. It will fit in a normal parking space on the street (just so as most spots are 20 feet) and it will not take up two parking spaces in parking lots. But, that extra foot of length is put to good use in the Lexor. The bathroom is the best I've seen on *any* class B. It puts the Ascent's bathroom to shame with corian counter tops and a stainless steal sink (I have a plastic one in the Ascent!). The fit and finish and layout is nearly identical to the Ascent but at thousands of dollars less. There are a couple things I don't like the Lexor: a) it doesn't have the same safety features as the Ascent: lane keep assist, blind spot detection and collision detection. b) I don't care for the overhead bin above the cab. I hit my head on the one in my CS Adventurous all the time and vowed that my next RV wouldn't have it. c) I don't like the step up into the cab and into the lounge area. I like a clear path from front to back - really helps as night not tripping over things. Other than those things it's about perfect. 2. You'll get a better deal for sure on pre-owned. If you go the pre-owned route see if the seller purchased an extended warranty. Also, obviously the lower the mileage the better. The truth is many sellers purchased an RV and never really used it or used it lightly. That means you're going to get something that is almost like new but at a fraction of the cost. It's a good route to go but really check out the rig before you buy it. See if they have any service records and ask what they've had to take it in for. Also, if they are aware of any known problems. Ask why they are selling it. I sold my 2014 Roadtrek CS Adventurous that I purchased for $125k with only 7000 miles for $89k with an extended warranty! That rig was pristine and the buyers got a great deal! Still, if you can afford it then new is always nice. You know what you get. Good luck with your purchase and do let us know how things are going. I'm sure the community here would love to hear your experiences!

[@AndrewIsaac]

Ultramobility Thank you for the response and confirmation on the Lexor. Like you, I’ve struggled to find good reviews, only sales pitches from dealerships, so your advice is much appreciated. I am a little disappointed by the lack of safety features on the ProMaster series, but I think it’s something I can live without for now. I’ll be waiting on your comparison video on the two models, till then, keep the great content coming.

[@Ultramobility]

Hi, Andrew. You can buy an after market lane keep assist and collision detection system that mounts a forward facing camera on the dash. It provides 2 of the three safety features the MB has. Winnebago used this on their Era. They opted to not go with MB option and use an after market. You may want to check it out.

[@oldmatelots2748]

Very informative content. I've just finished binge watching everything I could find on Class B's in preparation for shifting from water to land, and your content is by far the best and most logically presented. Is there a reason that Coach House doesn't get much of mention in these comparisons? I realise CH are mostly Class C /B plus but I've recently been looking at a Platinum 220 and it seems to be a top notch product.

[@Ultramobility]

Many thanks Old Matelots! I appreciate hearing your thoughts about my channel. It means a lot to me. Coach House is a good brand. I need to cover them more. First glance tells me that are doing some fine things, at least on the surface: power mcd shades, stainless steel sink in the bathroom of the Arriva, nice outdoor shower with good design details. Here's my concern with them: they have practically no class b market share - Winnebago controls 35%+ of the market Erwin Hymer/Roadtrek 30% and Thor (Airstream) and Pleasure way 30%. The remaining 5%-10% everyone else is fighting over. That's not a lot of marketshare. I would be concerned that they will just give up and get out of the market leaving owners holding the bag. Maybe not but that's my concern. If they cannot gain meaningful marketshare then they will have to go the way of Leisure Travel vans, Great West Vans and others and exit the class b market. The Top 4 manufacturers I just mentioned are eating up any new market growth leaving little for the remaining companies like Coach House to grab. My 2 cents.

[@kimonogatos]

Maybe I’m overly fixated on Coach House Arriva’s dry bath... and shower that a large person could use... so maybe I’m defending the company unnecessarily. Wasn’t it once well known for van conversions (pre Sprinter) before moving into Class C?

[@Ultramobility]

i believe in the late 90's and early 2000's they made a class b on the promaster chassis. The 192 series?

[@edwardng2681]

Thank you for helping us sort out the class B buying thought process. I see there have been questions about the demise of Hymer-Roadtrek and the impact on the choices in the Performance quadrant. Since nature abhors a vacuum, which models from Winnebago or Pleasure-Way could or should fill the Performance quadrant in Roadtrek's absence? Or would you suggest another company to help fill out the Performance category? We appreciate your guidance and advice.

[@colleenkaralee2280]

Would you consider Leisure Travel Vans to be a premium seller with their unique floor plans? They seem to be in the top-three: PW, Advanced RV and LTV. How would you class the aesthetically sensitive and fussy Class B RV buyer? For example, I would not purchase a status brand, for example a Mercedes just for the WOW factor of having a Mercedes. Most DIY Class B Vandwellers are price sensitive and it shows in lowered aesthetics - not all of them though.

[@davehaag8175]

I am a looking at getting a c class rv ...im a first time buyer, i am a cost motivated buyer as you have stated. Im thinking im gunna look at used ones that are a cpl years old at dealers...what would you say is a reasonable figure to take off thier listing price? Example, i am looking at one thats 5 yrs old with 48,000 and theyre asking 49,995...im wondering what kinda talk down is posible with used units? Great video!!!

[@shirley-BEE-Van-Life____]

Fantastic video!🤸🏼‍♂️🚐🎉❤️

[@BillFerris]

Neil, I'm going to suggest expanding the scope of your coverage to include more custom van refit companies. With the recent scandal at Erwin Hymer Group NA, I've taken a step back from considering that product. Don't get me wrong, I still love the design. I just don't trust the product. I've recently been looking more into a custom refit. Sportsmobile looks interesting and they've been around forever so, I have more confidence they're not on the verge of financial collapse. With all the reputable custom refit companies, It would be interesting to take a behind the scenes look at one's operations every now and again.

[@Ultramobility]

it's a great idea. i'll reach out sportsmobile who is local to me and see if I can arrange them as my first visit. I don't want to do the typical factory tour that are often times more of an advertisement and even sponsored sometimes. I have to think how I can come up with something different and of value to viewers. But great suggestion Bill and thank you!

[@Jdlucas44]

How does Advanced RV and the Hymer Group fit into your reviews and which quadrant do they apply? Thanks for your excellent product reviews.

[@Ultramobility]

Hymer is basically Roadtrek so in my book they are all about performance and maintaining their product leadership position. ARV is a custom build shop so I don't really consider them. This exercise is mostly about manufacturers and their products. ARV is not a manufacturer in the sense that they don't have product lines. You can custom build anything at any price. Make sense?

[@duanemiles1558]

Where does my Calistoga wagon fit in? As usual, another very helpful video.

[@carpenc1]

Just discovered your videos-very interesting! Hurry up and do the comparison between PleasureWay Class B and Airstream Interstate. I already bought my 2018 AI but am curious about how it holds up to PW and bad ( or good) I should feel about my purchase.:)

[@Ultramobility]

I'm going to try and convince Smedsters who owns a 2017 AI to do a video comparison with me!

[@jmulrain9765]

I echo Carla’s comment...hubby and I narrowed down our choices to AI and pleasureway on Mercedes chasis because of our focus on quality and performance. Great video to see the thought process put into visual format. AI won out due the the # of passengers options (up to 9 seats) so the Rv can hv multi function of transporter in 1 car on day trips w extended family. Since we r frugal (but willing to pay for quality) in 2017, we ended up purchasing a used 2014 AI EXT (w less than 20k miles) from a dealer whose owner traded in his AI for brand new pleasure way...we got our AI wo having steep depreciation of the initial years and w added dealer warranty (you can negotiate the px of warranty offered) we hv similar coverage of buying a new AI

[@Seathrun1]

I’m in the performance quadrant. Just found your channel and love it! Subscribed. So if you were going to be on an extended 3 to 5 month voyage, sometimes with hookups but a lot of time boondocking, what would you choose for your home? Need reliability and comfort in a class B size

[@conniesettje1196]

Thank you! Your videos are awesome. What do you know about RoadTrek’s warranties due to their receivership status? Is the acquiring company going to honor them? Who made your RV and which model is it?

[@desireeodonahue4278]

Love watching your videos. You demonstrate your expertise in an effective manner, which is much appreciated. Curious if your opinion on these manufacturers has changed now in 2020 with the changes that have occurred over the last couple if years.

[@Ultramobility]

thank yoU!

[@johnyee9688]

Great video, whats your opinin with Leisure Travel? Thanks

[@Ultramobility]

Love em and will be doing video reviews of their class b+ vans in the future.

[@johnyee9688]

Ultramobility , i like the floor plans with Leisure Travel and the Multiplex system in the Pleasure way. If i can combine the 2, i would have my almost perfect Class B

[@ffllaammeerr]

Thanks so much for this great analysis. Both my wife and I immediately identified with the “performance” group, but as we are just now in the market, and given the recent announcement regarding the “demise” of Roadtrek, we were wondering what brands you would associate in that category now? Living in Canada, we are attracted to New=West, and the Coachmen Beyond checks a lot of boxes as well, but we were wondering if we’re missing anything? We love your great videos, keep it up!

[@calburnIII]

I'm not particularly into the quadrant methodology--reminds me too much of the English text in "The Dead Poet's Society" that used it to analyze poetry. :) However, I agree generally with many of your comments. When I reflect back on all of the repairs I made on my old rig that were necessitated by the manufacturer's corner-cutting, although it was considered a mid-level rig with pretty good quality for the time, I think that had a lot to do with limiting my recent decision-making to RoadTrek and PleasureWay, after looking at the quality of other Bs. I still have very little experience with our new PleasureWay Ascent, just 600+ miles and only one night "driveway camping"--too much winter still. But that's given me plenty of time to personalize and inspect since taking delivery at the end of October--both activities tend to turn up manufacturing shortcuts and errors, if they exist. So far, I've found 2 missing screws, and a place in the bathroom that I thought should have a little more sealant. I've changed a few things and added a few things, and I've delved into the hidden areas, more out of curiosity than anything. Overall, the quality of construction is really excellent. There are a few things that I would suggest PW do differently, which are relatively minor. I think the lowered entry step to the slider is unnecessary--if it were level with the step for the passenger door, that would work just as well and be less vulnerable to curb damage. The storage tube for the dump hose is too short--it will just barely take a 10' hose and fittings, except for the cheapest (flimiest) of hoses--and yet there's plenty of room under the skirting on the drivers side for a longer storage tube. Incidentally, ours came with a hose that couldn't have been longer than about 6' and was really flimsy--that's been replaced after only one use. If there's any one thing that I think PW should address, though, it's the clunky navigation system of the Mercedes Sprinter--surely MB must have a better one that could be ordered by PW. I have no beef with the radio itself, although it's pretty basic in today's world. It should have built-in Sirius XM, but I solved that with a portable version, which I also use in my airplane, that plugs into MB's audio input port. The sound is certainly adequate except perhaps for audiophiles. I might wish for speakers in the back of the coach sometime, but so far not yet. But the navigation system is really poor! Not so much what it provides (its screen size is adequate, the voice prompts are fine, and it's accurate) but what it doesn't provide, and that's ease of programming. I can see why I have read that many owners ignore the MB system and install a Garmin. For a modern rig designed for traveling, it's a shame that it doesn't come with a better navigation system. Keep the videos coming--I'm enjoying them.

[@Ultramobility]

Cary, what a great comment. Thank you for sharing with other viewers. Very interested to read of the shake down issues that you've encountered. I'll be doing a video in February for my 1 year update since purchasing my Ascent. I love all the recommendations that you have. If you're okay with it, I'd like to share them with PleasureWay. I agree with you on the navigation system. Hopefully that will be updated on the new 2019 chassis (did you see my video on it? kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKXRZHRrg8-hY6c). One thing I do like about the built-in MB navigation system and one reason why I stick with it is the fact that it integrates into the rest of the dash computer system. I get turn by turn navigation in the little lcd screen next to the speedo. I find this very useful. And, the telephone, radio and other functions are all also integrated into that little screen. But I did tend to agree that the system in general needs to be updated by MB. Great comment. Thanks for sharing!

[@viktorb5280]

Excellent video for first time buyer to be!

[@Ultramobility]

thank you!

[@edpyo8673]

Thank you for your excellent comprehensive tutorial, it helps me to focus my first rv purchase greatly. Thank you again.

[@Ultramobility]

Ed glad that you found my video helpful. thanks for letting me know!

[@victoroliver370]

Have you done a review on the Sequence campervan?

[@dreamingonmelrosestreet1362]

No mention of leisure travel rv? Thought they be under premium.

[@Ultramobility]

Hi, Dreaming on Melrose Street. They are definitely premium but this episode was more about class b vans versus class c and LTV are only class c. they used to make class b vans but stopped a few years back.

[@hdlowrider5413]

Absolutely Pleasure Way is the one to buy if cost is not a factor. In my opinion Airstream doesn't hold a candle to Pleasure Way. Ever since Thor bought Airstream their quality has gone down considerably. Great info. Thank you.

[@Ultramobility]

thank you HDLowrider. glad you found the video helpful.

[@celinegandolfo2314]

How about Leisure or Advanced RV Vans. Wouldn't they be in the category of Premium?

[@Ultramobility]

hi there. they are premium for sure but they are also custom builds. I'm covering non-custom builds mainly because custom builds are built for a buyer and once sold never seen again. in find manufactured coaches are more meaningful to people because they can go to any dealer lot and see the van themselves.

[@celinegandolfo2314]

Ultramobility I see...thanks...but it seems that Leisure Vans are not custom ?....love the Serenity design...

[@Ultramobility]

Sorry about the confusion Celine. Yes LTV are not custom. they only make class c coaches now. they used to make class b vans but exited the marked a few years back.

[@celinegandolfo2314]

Ultramobility Thanks..love their designs...hope they go back to b in the future..

[@cynthiataylor2279]

Please critique the new 2020 Winnebago Solis B Class motorhome.

[@kjlcycler]

How do you like Leisure Travel Vans?

[@Ultramobility]

Hi, Kevin. I like LTV a lot. Like Pleasure-way they are one of the last few remaining independent motorhome manufacturers. They got out of the pure b-class, van market a few years back to my disappointment. I felt their vans were not only some of the highest quality but also some of the most innovative. In some regards there were more innovative and more of a product leader than Roadtrek. Having said that, they still make b-plus vans and they are still top notch and high quality and consistently demonstrate innovation for this segment of RVs.

[@kimgo4518]

Hi. Are there issues to worry about with Roadtrek, since they have a civil action against them?

[@Ultramobility]

they are under new ownership and i’m fairly certain the new company made sure they did not inherit any of those lawsuits.

[@kjlcycler]

I meant to say Travato K not G. The G bed is too small. The K between the two twins is the width of a queen and both people can get up & down from bed. One person can stay up later up front if desired.

[@Ultramobility]

Yeah it is such a great layout and then you have the large bathroom in the back which is unusual for a camper van. Plus, for under $80k you get so many standard and optional features included like the cargo mounts on the roof, the bike rack, the truma combi, corian counters, ladder. The list goes on. The 59K is my pick for the low cost, entry class b van. The only thing I wish they'd address is the height of the bench seats is a bit high. I wish they would lower them just a tad to make it more comfortable to sit on those bench seats.

[@tracy3066]

Ultramobility I’m not sure if you have done this video or not yet Neil but please don’t forgot to mention the warranties when you do reviews on the Class B vans. To me I feel it’s important. I think some of the new Hymers only have 2 year warranties!

[@itsawander-fulllife360]

This is a very helpful video, thank you. Do you have an alternative performance recommendation now that RoadTrek has imploded?

[@pamelayoung1771]

I am confused why Coachmen wasn’t mentioned in this category.

[@gruivis]

I thought for sure you were going to say Advanced RV as the premium manufacturer. I can't imagine any Class B manufacturer offering a more high-end build compared to their products.

[@Ultramobility]

Advanced Rv builts fantastic units, no doubt. I didn't include them for a number of reasons. First, they are a custom build shop and I didn't feel custom builders should be included. Second, the RV manufacturers I listed control nearly 100% of the market. Winnebago, Roadtrek, Airstream and Pleasureway dealers can be found nearly anywhere. One of those brands will most likely be one that class b buyers will end up purchasing.

[@tracy3066]

The Advanced RVs are great rigs but I would never spend the money the charge for their custom vans. I went to my max with my Roadtrek! I just don’t see the need to shell out 300k when something at 100k will do! (Actually I was hoping to buy a used Roadtrek but none of the used Roadtreks I found had the power I needed it it)

[@gruivis]

Based on his money-is-no-object quadrant it seems that custom builders are right there at the bottom (or top). But I understand his exclusion criteria. However Advanced RV specializes in Class B builds and they are truly setting the bar for what is state of the art in this arena.

[@johnyee9688]

Advanced RV is like buy a Bentley. It starts at $200k. Thats a lot of money

[@colleenkaralee2280]

Would you say Leisure Travel Vans is the leader in floorplan innovation?

[@Ultramobility]

yes, definitely.

[@elainegross6372]

Great video....we are trying to make a decision for our first RV....have been looking at PleasureWay and also an Airstream....a third one has been thrown in the mix...by the RV sales Associate....would appreciate your opinion on what category the Coachman falls into? I guess we tend to the Premium box so far. Thanks

[@Ultramobility]

Coachmen quality is not that high. They only offer a 1 year warranty. if you are premium your choices are Pleasure-way and Airstream. Of the two PW is higher quality.

[@GiGi-wu3zq]

What is your advice on used class B?

[@Ultramobility]

G G I think going used is a good idea. You can get a lot of RV for a lot less than purchasing new. Make sure the miles are low. See if it is still under warranty and see if you can take it into a shop to have them inspect it. I sold my like new 2014 Roadtrek CS Adventurous and the new owners got quite a deal! Only 7,500 miles on it with an extended 7 year warranty.

[@danielforgues3350]

Very interesting. Into which quadrant would you fit Advanced RV from Ohio?

[@Ultramobility]

Hi, Daniel. Well Advanced RV is a custom build shop so technically they can fit into any one of those quadrants, depending on what you're having them build. This exercise is mainly about the manufacturers that build and sell finished products that are sold in showrooms. Does this make sense?

[@danielforgues3350]

They offer innovative technologies like a 50 volt electrical system that charges twice as fast as a conventional 12 volt system, a tiny water heater located under the chassis that is used to heat water for in-coach use, transfer heat to the fresh water tank and glycol for the floor radiant heating system. And it goes on and on, and on... Yes they are custom builders and each RV coming out of their factory is ultimately unique. There must be a core common concept upon which they add optional packages. Something not that much different from the concept of optional performance packages you applied to Roadtreck? I have yet to look at the ins and outs of one unit but, from the videos I watched, they sure look made by well trained craftsmen and with prime quality materials. So, going forward with the manufacturer qualification system you presented us, I would sit them on the line separating Performance and Premium. Thank you Neil for throwing at us some very interesting ideas and concepts. Please keep them coming.

[@Ultramobility]

Wow, Daniel I like your analysis and explanation! Thank you so much for sharing with other viewers. I think Advanced RV will also help to push the broader industry into higher quality standards and innovation. I agree that they straddle the line between Performance and Premium. Thanks again for sharing!

[@chels562000]

this is a very useful video, thank you!

[@Ultramobility]

Glad it was helpful!

[@mitchcollins2947]

Well done, helpful. I'd like to see you o a video about custom, small scale companies like say Outside Van.

[@Ultramobility]

noted.

[@charlievandoren9816]

Thank you for the helpful information.

[@Ultramobility]

My pleasure Charlie. Thanks for watching!

[@kiwiwizard1]

I just ‘discovered’ you. Love your videos! How would u rate the Coachmen Galleria class B rv?

[@Ultramobility]

Hi, Kiwiwizard1 (you from New Zealand?) Thank you for watching. I have seen the Galleria and like it very much. Quality is good. I will likely do a review of it in an upcoming episode. Best, Neil

[@kiwiwizard1]

Ultramobility - back when dinosaurs roamed the earth, I grew up in NZ. Good call you! My spouse & I have a 2018 24Q Coachmen Galleria with freedom package (induction stove, 3 solar panels, lithium battteries etc.) build underway. We thought we wanted a roadtrek until we saw & drove some. Roadtrek options were great but quality a disappointment. Have subscribed to ur channel & look forward to following u. Cheers mate!

[@Ultramobility]

Kiwiwizard, so excited for you and your new rig! When you get it why don't you record some things and I'd love to share it with the community here (if you're open to that). I hear great things about the Galleria and I plan on doing a review of it shortly. Build quality looks good. Many thanks for subscribing and your support! Cheers, Neil

[@kjlcycler]

Do you think LTV’s at 24’ are a little to big to get around in? Parking, city driving, etc. It seems like PW wide body at 22’ may be the best of both worlds with 3 piece dry baths, but MB diesel seem costly to drive & maintain. I’m semi-retired-how do you have time to think so much about Class B’s?

[@Ultramobility]

Hi, Kevin. 24 ft. may be too long. Depends on what you plan to do in it. It's not too big if you're using it to camp and travel around in - in fact it's a great length. If you're hoping to use a 24ft. rig for daily use or you're hoping to park in normal parking spaces then it is less ideal. It will take up two spots in a parking lot and you'll need more than the standard 20 foot parking space on a typical street. 22 ft. is definitely more manageable - losing that 2 extra feet goes a long way. I love RVs and class B's in particular. I just find the time to research all this stuff. I find it exhilarating.

[@tracy3066]

Kevin Letostak What about a Chevy Roadtrek 210 Popular? It’s a wide body but it’s only 21 1/2 feet. I can squeeze it into one parking space. It’s got tons of room inside and on the outside!

[@1kobara]

Excellent informative vlog. Thank you.

[@Ultramobility]

Thanks, JayKay - glad you found me and glad you found the video helpful!

[@bcaafd]

Were does Advanced RV land?

[@Ultramobility]

Hi, Kevin. I did a video on them. Here is it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKqoe6yGnsZ3q5Y

[@daveschulz1073]

Where do you place Liesure Travel Vans?

[@Ultramobility]

Hi, Dave. Great question. Very high up. Unfortunately, they don't make class B vans any more, just B-plus vans but I'd put their quality up there with Pleasure-way and above Airstream. They make great products.

[@ChristianTravelers]

Leisure Travel Vans are Class C's that are sometimes referred to Class B+'s which really isn't a class but is a term used effectively to represent a middle ground between the Class B and the cab-over designs of the traditional Class C. Interestingly, at the top of Pleasure-Way's and now Airstream's RV lineup, you will find the wide-bodies similar to Leisure Travel. They are technically all Class C (B+ if you will) because they are built on a cutaway chassis as opposed to the Class B being built within the confines of a vehicle manufacturer's "van".

[@casaaprile]

I'm in Ontario and wouldn't mind checking out a ascent, what dealer did you buy from seems scarce here.

[@Ultramobility]

Hi, Casaaprile. I purchased mine from VR St-Cyr in Quebec - just outside of Montreal. Great dealer if you can make it there. There's also 1000 island RV center near Kingston. Riv-Sud near Quebec City is also a good option. Let me know if you need any other help.

[@ChristianTravelers]

I (Ray) am a dual citizen from Hamilton, Ontario with our home base now in Las Vegas. We got a good deal good on our Pleasure-Way from Can Am RV in London, Ontario and their service department is also excellent!

[@Ultramobility]

Good to know Ray thanks for sharing with the community.

[@jamieklem4083]

I was focused on Carado Axion made by Hymer because of length (17' 9"). And it is gas and 6 cylinder. Made 2017, 18 and 19. I do not want anything that is not those three things (length, cylinder and gas). Now Hymer was bought by Thor and offers what the Carado was with improvements. Thor Rize 18 M. Or scope. No studio pop up. They are new 2021...start at 75,000. My yearly oncome is 24,000 as a retired person. I would use it as my only vehicle and have a modest apt. Trying to figure out how to fo this. I bought a Winnebago lesharo class b ultra. Could not manage it...like driving a boat...big mistake. Spent 2300. Ended up donating it. So I know what I cannot do and I know exactly what I need and want. Its just currently out of my range. Thanks for listening!

[@jamieklem4083]

Now called Thor Rize 18M (no studio pop up).

[@lindanovak9866]

Appears that I am a Performance trait based buyer so here I come Roadtrek...

[@TMB247]

The Universal Crazy Hot Matrix is more complicated and can be explained in 3 minutes and was more fun to watch

[@Ultramobility]

What is the Universal CRazy Hot Matrix? Sounds lovely.

[@andys623]

I've noticed very few ford transit based options on the premium or performance-based market which I don't understand why. They can compete very well in all catagories with MB. Any thoughts?

[@Ultramobility]

Hi, Antone. I think is purely a branding issue. people associate that silver star with luxury and will pay a premium for it even though the transit looks nearly identical. the sprinter is known for having pretty good durability with its diesel engines. i'm not sure what the transit record is or how is compares with mb in this regard. The Leisure Travel Vans Wonder is built on the Ford Transit chassis and is considered a luxury RV. leisurevans.com/wonder/

[@kimonogatos]

I wonder how many couples thinking to buy a van are split between the quadrants? I think my husband and I are both performance oriented, but in different ways. He suggested to me that Mercedes is well known for its mileage life and that the Mercedes sprinters have many of the safety features we’re used to on our Mini. I’m taking what he says on faith. I’m focused on where to put the trash and wash my stew pot. Thank you, Ultramobility, for another great video!

[@andys623]

It is unfortunate that here in the US most are unaware of the history and quality of the Transit comparatively. While MB is noted for engines and their luxury cars, they lag behind in many other markets. Transit sales even in the US are much larger than Sprinter beginning the first year offered here. Much easier to find a Ford dealer than a MB, not that you will need to as soon.

[@Ultramobility]

I think they've only relatively recently launched their Transit van here for commercial use in North America right? 2013?

[@Ultramobility]

Kimonogatos, you're welcome! Thank you for sharing your experience. It sounds like together you have the bases covered! What kind of van are you looking at?

[@dlg5485]

Great overview, Niel, but I definitely do not fit into just one of your quadrants. I am definitely more quality/feature focused than cost focused, but I'm not willing to overpay for what the product offers, so I am right on that line between performance and premium. Value matters to most of us, even those of us who are willing to pay a higher price because we expect MUCH more for that price. I'm planning to purchase a class B when I retire and I've been following the industry for many years and, frankly, have not been impressed with the quality and features offered by ANY brand. I've also looked at the best custom builders (Humble Road, Advanced RV), but they are far more expensive than I can afford. It is very disappointing that mainstream builders haven't improved their overall quality very much, in my opinion.

[@Ultramobility]

yes i agree. commercial manufacturers need to up their quality game. i will continue to beat the drum for this. careful of that 80/20 custom builders use. it’s not meant for vehicles given the many screws and bolts involved that loosen from road travel.

[@dlg5485]

@@Ultramobility Humble Road effectively addresses that 80/20 concern on his channel. George is very thorough, with a heavy focus on testing and design, to improve long term durability and serviceability. I consider him to be among the very best custom van builders out there. HR and ARV are innovating far more than any of the mainstream brands.

[@Ultramobility]

what’s his solution? here’s a custom builder talking about why he doesn’t recommend 80/20 kzbin.info/www/bejne/pGqwd3uJg6trr9k

[@dlg5485]

@@Ultramobility You'll have to refer to his videos for the answer to that question. Also, I'm not sure why would you be any more concerned about 80/20 fasteners loosening over time than any fastener in any moving vehicle, which should be inspected regularly, in any case. Seems like a silly thing to get hung up on.

[@badguy1481]

Pleasure Way makes nice vehicles..but their US outlets are minimal. THAT is their major weakness..and the reason I went to Roadtrek.

[@Ultramobility]

its true that the pleasureway network isn't as expansive as roadtreks. having said that we need to see how roadtrek's and hymers dealer network develops as they are not treating their dealer network well but opening up competing hymer dealerships too close to roadtrek dealers.