Should you buy a Porsche 911 GT3 if you already own a Carrera?

[@PSA955]

As a '17 base, manual ,owner, heavily track modified , there is still nothing better than a GT3, that engine note alone is worth the price of admission.

[@TommyLGarage]

Nothing beats an NA sound

[@colnagog6026]

I'd rather have a re-geared, 4.7L GT"4".

[@ernesternest815]

Get a cayman base, headers, tune and PSE and it’s close, not the same because the higher redline of the GT3. But close on the cheap.

[@rtpm4647]

I made the jump from F82 into a 991.2 GT3 in March and what a car. Truly blessed to own such an incredible machine. Hopefully one will enter your garage soon!

[@TommyLGarage]

Congrats!!! I need to own a GT car one day

[@c6manny]

Dream car! You’ll find the gt3 brakes require more effort due to the difference in “boost” from the GT factory braking system. This is better on track and allows better modulation and feel. It’s a common misconception that the brakes are “worse” due to the lack of initial bite on the street at low effort brake application. Put some effort into squeezing the pedal and you will see the brakes are great! Just an adjustment from a standard 911 or bmw feel. Really comes alive on track, although a more aggressive pad will give back some of that initial bite as well.

[@TommyLGarage]

I didn’t think of that! Thanks for explaining.

[@isserdigan2835]

I agree with your assessment. The brakes on the GT cars are a bit harder to use on the streets especially when they are cold. But man they brake when you need to on the track

[@NickMurray]

You can never go low enough ;)

[@TommyLGarage]

Zzziiiiing!

[@HosBoba]

Your shifts are super crisp man 🙏 and yes get one 😆🚀🚀

[@TommyLGarage]

Thank you! It’s easy to get the shifts right in this car

[@PD-nz5rk]

The engine and 6 speed tranny are sublime, plus it’s nearing the end so get them while you can. I have had 10 Porsches over 13 years and most have been GT products. Amazing cars. I say yes it’s worth it if you planning on keeping it long term.

[@TommyLGarage]

Thoughts on a GT4?

[@PD-nz5rk]

@@TommyLGarage Awesome car, but the engine is a bit of a let down if Im being honest, but if you prioritize handling, you cant go wrong. I had a 718 Spyder too, and I thought overall that was a better car. But not sure if you want to track it.

[@wilss396]

Great comparison video. And Jeff still has the biggest smile of enjoyment!

[@TommyLGarage]

Thanks! Yea he’s as good as they come!

[@jaydstewart]

Just picked up a 991.2 manual GT3 myself! It is a truly amazing machine!

[@TommyLGarage]

Congratulations!! How are you liking it ?

[@jaydstewart]

@@TommyLGarage I LOVE IT! It's a license-losing machine though!😁

[@jaydstewart]

@@TommyLGarage I'm LOVING IT!

[@melondoc]

I got to wring out a 991.2 GT3 at PEC a few years ago and man, what a machine. If you drive spiritedly on back roads and/or go to the track it's an absolute no-brainer! It is frustrating that the price premium on these cars seems to be driven by collectors/flippers who park them in storage; but people can spend their money however they want 😀

[@TommyLGarage]

It’s a hard pill to swallow when a gt4 costs almost half

[@danny_vrsociety]

Bought Jeff's Kline off his T for mine before he traded up. Super jealous! Can see myself going the same route in a few years. 🤘😅

[@911porschefans]

I have a tuned 992S manual, haven’t driven a gT3 yet on purpose. The vid reminds me why 😂

[@TommyLGarage]

Don’t do it!!!

[@adcampo7601]

Your smile in the opening says it all.

[@TommyLGarage]

Not let the saving begin :)

[@AFard-hn3fo]

Great videos! So question is would you give up your T for a GT3 992 manual?

[@TommyLGarage]

Yes :)

[@NickMurray]

love this video. Never want to own a GT3 myself but for screaming fun on a video they are fun!

[@TommyLGarage]

Thanks! Not sure I can stomach $100k over my T

[@pbmcgme176]

I’m a big fan of the gt3 and nearly got a 991.2 just as you drove. In the end a cpo pts gt4 popped up and I jumped on it immediately. I have always been partial to my manual Cayman S . The one I purchased ended up being pdk but truthfully it’s still an amazing car to drive. It was my first GT car and I’m in love. That might be your ticket. Just fix the exhaust with OAP and you’re good to go. My desire for a gt3 is gone owning this vehicle.

[@TommyLGarage]

I’m never selling my T so a gt4 might be a good compromise. I’d go PDK too simply for the fact that it’s better at the track

[@djzaki]

So i used to have the same f80 as yours. Now in a g80 manual. One car ive always kept though, which i still have is my e92 m3. In a strange way, while in a completely different class of vehicle, reminds me of what owning a gt3 would be like. A naturally aspirated high revving motor with continuous ear porn. My goal in life is to own a gt3. If were talking about car hacking, those gt3 cars maintain value and build. If you can get into one feasibly id say do it and donr look back. I would rather have a gt3 over a huracan, r8, gtr etc depending on spec of course. Do it

[@TommyLGarage]

I recently fell in love with the 992 Gt3. Target acquired!

[@qikqbn77]

Owned many Porsches over the last 25 years. Over 400,000 miles driven in them. GT3's are special... no doubt the best sound and definitely worth lusting over, but not good daily drivers and you really need to rev them out to feel the power. I have been perfectly happy with my 911 C4S , which sounds great with a few mods and checks most of the adrenaline boxes for 99% of my driving habits. Even though I can afford it, I would not spend $100k more to own a GT3. Bragging rights to own one.. sure, but is it $100k more enjoyable than driving a carrera or carrera S? I am still not convinced. Love the car though. Porsche enthusiast and owner for life.

[@TommyLGarage]

Well said. One could also get a gt4 for the said difference

[@computerhelpcc]

WAY past pt of diminishing returns. Worth it AFTER more serious financial goals involving others accomplished.

[@computerhelpcc]

Very good sound recording. Thx for effort and sharing.

[@corgi_leonberger7233]

Owned a 991.2 T and sold it for a manual GT3. Controversial but I was disappointed - I really preferred the T for the road. It felt smaller, lighter and was way more fun at lower speeds compared to GT3. GT3 needs to be driven on the track to come alive unless you can drive constantly over 60mph. Obviously, nothing beats 9000rpm but I regretted selling my T. Ideally have both!

[@TommyLGarage]

I have zero plans selling my T. Such an amazing car

[@brianhimmelman420]

I had a Golf R and sold it for a Carrera T … Miss the Golf as smaller, lighter and was way more fun at low speed compared to the T …wish I had my Golf R : ((

[@TommyLGarage]

@@brianhimmelman420 first world problems !

[@amrocko]

Drove a 2018 GT3 manual for the first time last month. The engine is superb and every bit as glorious as they say. I’m sure the T is fun, but my money would go to a GT3 if I had the means.

[@TommyLGarage]

You’re not making it easy for me! Hehe

[@WhatsyourForte]

The car is not for me but you were smiling ear to ear.. 😂

[@TommyLGarage]

Why not for you??!

[@WhoScopes]

This drive would ruin me. I’m almost afraid to experience it in fear every other car would not live up to this.

[@TommyLGarage]

This may also help you realize your car is enough for you

[@andresmattos7541]

You sound like a porsche sheep

[@andresmattos7541]

Sounds.like a porsche sheep

[@bchang8948]

you'll never be able to shake the thought of having one... only 1 way to truly scratch the gt3 itch! And one of the great things about the gt3 - very little depreciation (or wait long enough and they all seem to go up in value (with the exception of the 991.1 gt3, tbd).

[@TommyLGarage]

Not sure I can justify $100k over my car though

[@bchang8948]

@@TommyLGarage yeah, it's a def a lot more. Prices have been dropping a lot, though. 991.2 gt3 in manual and all the goodies (and non PTS) with 20k ish miles is closer to 180. With the whole car market softening in general (and maybe something starting to move S-ward with the economy), this winter could be a really great time to look. Just saying :)

[@TommyLGarage]

@@bchang8948 I don’t think I can ever get rid of my T

[@bchang8948]

@@TommyLGarage m5 replacement!

[@robertsole9970]

I had a 991.2 C4S, traded that for a CTV4V Blackwing, then traded that for a 2014 991.1 manual C 4S…. I’m quite happy to be back in a NA flat 6 Porsche. I just didn’t like the 991.2 turbo motor. So I now have the last wide body 4S with manual tranny and NA motor.,

[@TommyLGarage]

Great car you ended up with!!! Congratulations

[@creativeclectic]

The 991.1 N/A S/GTS/4S/4GTS cars are amazing machines! They scream like a GT3 with good exhaust/headers, considering the S motor was the base for the 991.1 GT3 engine.

[@stephenrohrbacher5919]

The comparison I would pay to see is any tuned 991.2 Carrera vs a Deman 4.5, be it Cayman or Carrera. Can this channel make it happen? 🤞🏼

[@TommyLGarage]

Got any connections ??!!

[@stephenrohrbacher5919]

Sir, if I did I’d be driving it myself 😉

[@DawgPE]

Just reading headline, I would say no. It's like when I bought my WRX. The STI wasn't enough of a bump up to justify the added cost.

[@TommyLGarage]

The engine note and handling are better. Rest is comparable

[@isserdigan2835]

Only if you plan to track regularly. GT cars are just a different breed in the track.

[@TommyLGarage]

Very true!

[@Respect_N55]

Ahhhhhhhh the big boy has entered the Tommy L Garage 😅😅😍

[@TommyLGarage]

A truly amazing car !

[@plife911]

The grin is worth 100k 😅 but i dont think a 992 T is 100k less than a 991.2 gt3 these days if you find the right car

[@jespinal]

I swear Tommy is responsible for my last 3 car purchase and now this 😭

[@TommyLGarage]

I’m truly sorry m haha

[@KiesMotorsports]

Yesssss

[@TommyLGarage]

I suppose some of us are Turbo people :)

[@donkong241]

You can flat shift I believe on the 991.2 GT3 manual 👀

[@TommyLGarage]

I did not know that until the very end. I think Jeff strategically witheld this information ha ha

[@992C2T]

Where can I get that cup holder?

[@philnleblanc6664]

I’m an an owner of a 991.2 Carrera T but the next car is definitely a GT3. There’s just something about the noise and experience that’s unmatchable from other 911’s.

[@TommyLGarage]

Worth $100k more ?

[@philnleblanc6664]

@@TommyLGaragein my humble opinion, yes.

[@Sweatyspaggy]

I went from a F80 M3CS -> Civic Type R -> 991.2 GT3. Nothing gives me confidence like the GT3. I am very curious about your thoughts on the Cayman GT4. 80 grand less, 8000 red-line, same engine, but mid-placement. Perhaps 90% of the fun for 2/3 of the price?

[@TommyLGarage]

A gt4 might be the car for me if I want to keep the T and M5

[@Sweatyspaggy]

@@TommyLGarage test drive the gt4. Trade in the T. I think that’s the way to go.

[@mikeygray1486]

The 911 GT cars were engineered to be driven to Redline. Did you get it above 6.5k RPM? That’s where the 911 comes alive.

[@TommyLGarage]

For sure !!

[@mikebellows754]

One of the very few cars I would give up my e92 m3 for.

[@TommyLGarage]

GT4 too?

[@daveshaw2200]

@@TommyLGarage The gt4 engine isn't a patch on the 4ltre in the gt3.Nice car but not a gt3.2 Even the gt4rs is dropping value as its too harsh with high interior noise.The damping is excellent on the gt3.2

[@Zuffenhouse]

Have you driven a Cayman GTS 4.0? Everything you say you love about your old cayman but 400hp

[@TommyLGarage]

Not sure if I’d ever get it since a GT4 is just a tiny bit more

[@Slowspeed]

Great video!

[@TommyLGarage]

Thanks!!

[@stephenrohrbacher5919]

Details on that cupholder please!

[@TommyLGarage]

Jeff? Chime in :)

[@tomasz899]

GT3 does not come with sunroof = it is worse option than Carrera. And only people who can dream of driving one won't understand that you actually never use the performance it offers on normal road but you very often cruse in spirited manner and then having sunroof open is just a best feeling ever :)

[@TommyLGarage]

So true. And the cool factor is through the roof

[@keyzer2011]

Moonroof in glass is possibly the most underrated option on the 911. Absolutely love mine. “Center of gravity” be damned.

[@TommyLGarage]

@@keyzer2011 I totally agree. When I drive my 911 I slide the roof open all the time.

[@YumboYack2521]

Slicktop Porsches are desirable by enthusiasts. Most GT3s are tracked anyway, not sure why you would need a sunroof. If you’re prioritizing a sunroof then a Carrera or turbo would be a better car.

[@TommyLGarage]

@@YumboYack2521 turbo !!!

[@scnupe7]

Is this the guy the owned a green Carrera T?

[@TommyLGarage]

That’s him!

[@leekindell9937]

Greats cars. But I didn’t realise a gt3 had poverty brakes. I thought like my 991.2 turbo s they had ceramic. Best brakes I’ve ever felt on a car. I deffo wouldn’t want a gt3 without ceramics.

[@TommyLGarage]

You could option ceramics but for track duty steel brakes are better

[@dcippitelli]

Just curious, is that a stock gear shift knob?

[@TommyLGarage]

No that’s aftermarket

[@lotion90]

i drove a 991.2 carrera t and switched to a 991.2 gt3 touring - the gt3 is on another level

[@TommyLGarage]

It’s not that far off

[@lotion90]

@@TommyLGarage i disagree

[@TommyLGarage]

@@lotion90 gotta love opinions - everyone has one:)

[@lotion90]

@@TommyLGarage do u own a gt3?

[@TommyLGarage]

@@lotion90 no but let me guess - you do! And you have hands on experience. And guess what - it’s all subjective. Happy you feel that way, but I simply don’t. No point of arguing. It’s like arguing about politics - makes no sense.

[@xliu37]

How to test handling from straight pull?

[@TommyLGarage]

You feel it as soon as you turn the wheel

[@27Ctrojans]

Hate to say this but after driving GT cars i cant own anything else porsche because the gt cars are on another level and they exist.

[@TommyLGarage]

Well yes and no. A carrera is still amazing for daily driving

[@27Ctrojans]

Yeah different use cases. For me a 911 is nice as a daily but im sitting in traffic picking up kids, dealing with other drivers…id rather be in the m5

[@samwisee]

The 991.2 or the 992.1 GT3 will be my next toy. I just don’t know if I would sell my 997 to get it… I prefer the more raw experience and the 991.2 is pretty refined when you put it against a 997. Out on the street the lower limit and less power is actually better

[@TommyLGarage]

997.2 has a sweet spot in my heart. Would love to own one sometime

[@samwisee]

@@TommyLGarage I have a 997.2 GT3... yes it is one hell of a car, hard to think I would ever sell it. But I can see myself not wanting to deal with the super heavy clutch anymore at some point

[@adjrasta9365]

If you did not get to experience the last 1k to the 9k redline you need to drive it again

[@TommyLGarage]

I did! Intoxicating

[@GarthGoldberg]

Those carbon fiber engine covers must save at least an ounce.

[@TommyLGarage]

But they look great!

[@dirkpalmer1067]

GT3 without ceramic brakes for a mostly track car?

[@TommyLGarage]

Steel brakes are better for track duty

[@dirkpalmer1067]

@TommyLGarage have to disagree. Lots of reasons including being able to brake later, no overheating or brake dust, etc. Cheers.

[@Mckorzi]

How come the original GT3 brakes are less performing then aftermarket 🤔 I doubt this comment, after all the brakes are what Porsche is famous for among other things.

[@TommyLGarage]

The GT 3 Has street . pads. My yellow car has track pads. Huge difference.

[@JadeEyedWolf]

Have you driven the 982 GT4 yet? Would you like to? ;)

[@TommyLGarage]

I’d love to! Are you local?

[@MrSchn3ll]

Skip the goofy aftermarket headlights people, don't defile a GT3 like that....

[@TommyLGarage]

Aren’t they oem looking ?

[@tkc056]

Do it!!

[@TommyLGarage]

I can’t sell my T

[@tkc056]

@@TommyLGarage No one said you had to sell the T 👀

[@keyzer2011]

6k miles, still has the protective plastic on the PCM 😂

[@TommyLGarage]

Haha I didn’t even notice

[@keyzer2011]

@@TommyLGarage Thanks for putting in the time and effort to make videos. I've only recently purchased my first 911 and the enthusiasm in the Porsche scene has been absolutely intoxicating. I might need to get back into making videos for fun again. Cheers from Chicago!

[@JBOsurf]

sell everything. Get a GT3 and a Panamera Turbo S.

[@TommyLGarage]

Nope. I actually like my setupv

[@j.d.4681]

No, you should not. The Carrera S has same torque and sound with SE.

[@TommyLGarage]

.1 or .2 ?

[@j.d.4681]

@@TommyLGarage .1 for for sound. Definitely a poor man's GT3 but more comfortable and usable.

[@TeamShiitakeRacing]

My name is Jeff (Sorry. 22 Jumpstreet)

[@TommyLGarage]

Hahaha

[@number36420]

Get a gt3 Tommy

[@TommyLGarage]

GT4!

[@raphaeledwards]

I'd be curious to hear how a 991.1 GTS manual w/PSE compares to a 991.1 /or .2 GT3 on the street. Is it 85% or 90% similar?

[@TommyLGarage]

I think it would be 90% which is totally worth it. With some suspension work it wound get really close

[@mikeh501]

Owned .1 gts for 5 years, now .2 gt3… it’s 70% at best. Gt3 is next level in every way.

[@raphaeledwards]

@@mikeh501 even on the street? Please educate me.. honestly just want to learn the key differences. Not trolling. I've been the owner of a 991.1 C4S manual with PSE for a couple months now. It's my first Porsche and trying to understand what I'm missing. I love the NA sound and responsiveness and the manual has been fun. I've tracked cars in the past, I just don't know if I want to track the C4S yet.

[@mikeh501]

@@raphaeledwards you should try one,but in every way tbh. Steering, sharper more direct more feel. Suspension, like hard mode on your gts all the time. Noise, more road noise, and the NA howl of the 4.0 is race car tbh, addictive. Speed, it’s much much quicker, feels it in every gear; whilst it’s only 70bhp more, it’s geared for 200mph not 300mph like a gts so always more urgent. Interior is the same unless you have club sport which is a must when you get buckets.

[@p.k.7111]

Somone will buy a gt3 soon... ;)

[@TommyLGarage]

GT4 baby !!

[@De132an]

Loud and annoying over long runs. Keep the T, best daily Pcar there is.

[@TommyLGarage]

No plans of selling mine :)

[@dafrasier1]

good info: suggest vacation to Nurburg Ring,, Great. 'Ring Dave' youtube 08.08.19 Spin.