Should you buy the Rapsodo MLM2PRO or Garmin R10 - December 2023

[@JeremyThompson-iv8te]

The best in this space just keeps delivering great content for the home user. I hope your channel just explodes as more people need to hear what you have to say. Also I hope more manufactures give you product to test and review. Would love to hear what you think of Skytrac +, Mevo + etc etc and some of these new "budget" overhead units. Don't change who you are and what you do as your channel grows as your honest, informed dialogue is what we love the most.

[@JLagGOLF]

Thanks Jez I would absolutely love to get more units in for testing.. Being in Australia doesn't make this easy but I'll keep reaching out to different companies and hopefully receive an email back 🤣🤣 (haven't got any yet).

[@Silva32x]

Have enjoyed using the R10 for the last couple of years. Will upgrade whenever Garmin releases a new launch monitor.

[@JLagGOLF]

I'm really excited to see what Garmin has been working on! The R10 is honestly a great device 👍

[@jamess9728]

When you played Prairie Knolls in a previous video, you mentioned the R10 did alright estimating spin axis with irons but not so much with Driver when gear effect was introduced which I assume meaning heel and toe strikes. If you hit in the "center" of the driver face with an open or closed clubface, will the r10 estimate spin axis more correctly so you see the appropriate draw or cut shot on the screen?

[@JLagGOLF]

I'm theory absolutely yes! However it still needs to estimate all the other data correctly as well such as club path and clubface at impact (which is pretty much just uses HLA to get the impact angle) which it does pretty well! This is why I think the R10 is almost more accurate the better player you are 🤣 or the better ball striker. I do think it's incredible what they created and it still holds up well today against the big boys. I'm super excited to see what Garmin has coming next. Cheers.

[@Golfzilla70]

you are awesome with these honest reviews, count me as a new subscriber!

[@JLagGOLF]

Thanks mate I really appreciate that!

[@paulday7427]

I will use it outside at my club driving range, but it seems I need the specific golf balls ?

[@JLagGOLF]

No when using it outside the unit doesn't need the RPT balls for spin axis. It only needs them indoors.

[@DavidKudellMusic]

Got my Mlm2pro a month ago and have been having the connection issues. I’m working with the support team, we will see if they can figure it out. I have a really good WiFi but they’re showing that it’s weak. It’s like the WiFi receiver is super weak on the Rapsodo. I’m going to try moving the WiFi right next to the Rapsodo next. But I am still considering returning it before my 90 days is up…only thing is there isn’t really anything better until you get into the $2K range.

[@JLagGOLF]

Hey mate I ended up going to a wifi extender and have had zero issues since going to that. The MLM2PRO and my iPad are the only two things on it. I used a seperate mobile hotspot for a while and that worked flawlessly as well. So hotspot my phone and then connect Rapsodo and iPad up to that... Zero issues. It's like the MLM2PRO didn't play nice with my modem / router

[@DavidKudellMusic]

@@JLagGOLF thanks so much for the info and that will help with troubleshooting. I have a Ubiquiti Unifi wifi system at home which is kind of a commmercial grade system, so I’m surprised it’s having issues but I will try some things and see if I can get them on their own access point that’s closer. I’ll let you know what I find out. And thanks for the channel, this is my first launch monitor and I’m hooked on the whole thing and golf in general, so it’s fun and I’m learning a lot from your videos!

[@JLagGOLF]

@@DavidKudellMusic Thanks mate! Sounds like you have a great set up. Yeah try the hotspot method it's an easy one to do.. I'd be interested to know how it goes. For me it was major issues and then when I did that absolutely zero disconnect issues. So then I got a wifi extender just because I didn't want to chew through my mobile data and it again worked with zero issues. When I connect back to my home router the disconnects come back!

[@christopherd7922]

Hi I'm on the fence between these two. I really appreciate your insightful video. I will be using this outdoors in the backyard set up I'm creating this spring. I want to be able to see my club path and club face ect.. Did I read that the ML2Pro doesn't have that? If it doesn't and you add Awesome Golf would you get it through that app? One of my concerns after watching this is the yearly charges especially with the ML2Pro. You answered one of my big questions which was if you were to get Awesome Golf or GS Pro would you still need to buy the ML2Pro yearly subscription. That could be the deal breaker for me. If you were to add GS Pro your talking $450 a year.

[@JLagGOLF]

Hey mate that's correct you won't get club data at all with the MLM2PRO even if you are using awesome golf or GS Pro. It is however incredibly accurate with its ball data! The R10 you do get all that data albeit most of it is estimated... The estimated data once you have the unit set up and aligned correctly is actually really good! However the ball flight is not always correct with the R10. Pros and cons! It's a tough decision to make but honestly you will be happy with either device.

[@Graemedargo]

Thank you so much for the quality comparison. Cheers.

[@JLagGOLF]

Thanks Graeme I really appreciate the comment! Joe

[@MarvinofMars]

Joe, well done , explained perfectly..

[@JLagGOLF]

Thanks mate!

[@williamahlers6851]

Hi Joe, thank you for your excellent videos, much appreciated. Off topic question: Can you do a short video on how to use the face on view with the MLM2? Thank you.

[@JLagGOLF]

Hey mate thanks for that! Is this what you are after? kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWjMk6adiNqdpMUsi=ol5IQbGpTxJRxz85 Cheers

[@JM-os7hm]

Hey Joe, Great video! Would love your opinion on what I should do. I want to have an indoor setup to practice and more than likely play courses most of the time. My set up would be in a garage so would pack it up after using ect. Before a deep dive into reviews ect I was sold on the Garmin however the more I research the Garmin the more I’m put off by it. I play off 14 and feel spin axis reading is a big one for me. The Rapsodo I’m super worried about the connectivity and the on going costs, I can afford it it’s just a big difference as you say after a few years. If you were in my shoes would you either A) Go Garmin due to ease of use and still have a decent unit that has some areas of weakness. B) Go Rapsodo and persist with the updates and costs or C) wait 6/12 Months and see if Garmin launch a new unit. Thanks mate.

[@yannrobert8546]

Thks for this honest review,i 100% agreed with you but the mlm2 pro subscription keept me away buying it,if i buy a device it has to works at its most ,not based on subs so im waiting for a new garmin to come out soon i hope.

[@JLagGOLF]

Thanks mate I really appreciate that! Unfortunately all these devices now are going subscription based 😭 I wouldn't be surprised if the new Garmin (if they are working on one...) Was subscription based as well. I hope not!! But I wouldn't be surprised.

[@yannrobert8546]

@@JLagGOLF i have no problems with subscription but dont you think is a bit a ripoff not having a device working at its full without one? It s like having a car stuck at 90 km if you dont paye the subscription lolll that how i see it,that why i love garmin or skytrack,dont need one but if i paye for one i will get something else(course,skill help,etc) witch make more sense…anyway thkx for the taking the time to answer 👍

[@JLagGOLF]

@@yannrobert8546 Yeah I know exactly how you feel and it's really annoying. I just had to pay my Uneekor Eye Mini subscription but at least with that unit you can use everything just in a basic range but get all the data. If you want anything else like 3rd party connection then you need to pay the subscription so it's value adding where as the Rapsodo subscription to me is more of a forced not even a subscription it's something you need to pay to use the device.. my subscription is coming up as well 😭😭

[@yannrobert8546]

@@JLagGOLF lucky you,my dream to have it but can't afford it 😭😭. Anyway great review thkx 👍

[@smhekma]

I don't feel like this is even a question at this point unless you just can't afford the price difference or the subscription. The Rapsodo with recent updates is now pushing functionality of devices twice it's price.

[@mr.gadget5160]

I disagree. Not for every use case. I just started with golf… and want to work out the distances for my clubs. Rapsodo is overkill. My driving range is 5 min from my house. I don’t even bother with simulators. I don’t need spin and spin axis yet and I have to use range balls anyway. So the R10 is half the price… and in 2 years I can check the market again and upgrade if needed. And while I usually don’t mind subscription services, Rapsodo feels like a total rip off. They just withhold functions what should be included anyway. For 50 bucks I don’t care… but 200? Seems like we need some more competition…

[@JLagGOLF]

Yeah for me and my use case the Rapsodo is killing it... And I think we will get even more functionality announced at the PGA show in Jan 🤞🤞. The Garmin still has a use case but the market is getting smaller I feel. I'm really interested to see what Garmin is working on for their next release..

[@watchinthebay5624]

the main reason the R10 has gone up in price in Australia is due to the drop in valude of the AUS $ versus the US $.

[@JLagGOLF]

Yes that's a fair point. The Aussie dollar is not doing great at the moment!

[@RolandDobbins]

You should buy the Skytrak Plus if you can afford it, or the R10 if you can’t.

[@NickWainwright6970]

Rapsodo everytime

[@JLagGOLF]

Skytrak plus I've heard is a good device. I'd love to test it myself! I think the Rapsodo is absolutely fantastic now.. it started off with a very rocky start but now it's great. I personally would buy it over the Garmin now but that's just me.

[@seany5026]

If my main use is at the outdoor driving range, which would you recommend?

[@JLagGOLF]

Hey mate both are great! For me I'd choose the MLM2PRO as it has the range ball mode that I've found to be really accurate for carry distance that I can then take to the course. Also I just love the shot tracer and impact vision. Another advantage with the MLM2PRO is how easy it is to align!! With the camera you literally just put it through the ball and your target and it's perfectly aligned. So for me personally I'd choose the MLM2PRO.. but the R10 is still a fantastic device that will give you more data albeit estimated data but it's still really accurate as long as it's lined up correctly. Oh and both can hook up to awesome golf! Which is great for Sim golf on the range.

[@sgodlike7911]

I am still so torn. Nearly keeping me up nights 😂 For starters, I'm a fitter in my 30s. I've been playing since i was a kid with a hiatus of just about 10 years. From 24-34. I'm well on my way to scratch with a slight belief that i could actually play professionally in the years to come. Here's my question; I'm on a relatively tight golf-budget. I spend most of my time hitting into a net off a mat in my backyard with enough room for any monitor. Is the cost say, after 3 years with the Rapsodo and its membership worth it? I mean "worth", by the way. I think R10's price point accurately reflects its limitations. On the surface, it seems to be an absolute no-brainer. The sheer swing, club and ball data alone are incredible. EXCEPT for its massive inaccuracies. Does the Rapsodo actually warrant its 3 year price tag? I apologize for the lengthy comment. I just really want to make the right call and my lady is sick of me pulling at my beard as i read and watch and read and watch reviews 😅

[@JLagGOLF]

Mate honestly in your situation it's a no brainer MLM2PRO ALL DAY! I wouldn't even think twice about it. The R10 is great but not for the kind of practice you want to be doing. Accurate ball flight and GC quad like data is what you need. Honestly I don't know if you will keep it for 3 years.. you might find yourself upgrading to the new Garmin model if they do release one in a year or 2. But the MLM2PRO is absolutely fantastic.

[@dustinmiller5346]

Have you heard mlm2 has more problems with a Droid tablet or I pad more.

[@JLagGOLF]

Hey mate from what I've seen online with trying to connect it with GS Pro iOS works a lot more seamlessly. However that being said it's still at the mercy of the Rapsodo range updates... If they took away the cart path then it would be a big help!!

[@cbsites4127]

Excellent review. I agree with every point you made.

[@JLagGOLF]

Thanks mate!

[@cbsites4127]

@@JLagGOLF I'm like some others, if they had included the cloud storage upfront, I might have thought twice about the subscription on the MLM2PRO. It's really not the price, it's the principle of lack of spin/spin-axis or any reasonable functionality unless you subscribe. But also, there were other things. So for example, in two years I will have to decide if I want to renew the service, but the shifty part was that it was auto-subscribing CC service, so if you never opt-ed out, BANG! 200 bucks yearly! So for me, it was big nope. So they have you CC number on file and in two years you will be charged, and then yearly there after, no consent required. Second thing I didn't like with the MLM2PRO was it was a closed system. Well, I have a better uses of my time than to illegally attempt a reverse engineer the encryption they used just so they can rip people off on the subscription and shutout any opensource developers. I have to say that the OCR technque was super clever and can apply to many closed systems (Thank god. Unless that will be the next thing they add to the end-user agreements). Still, if your going to grab all metrics including spin/spin-axis via OCR, or watch any of the high-speed videos of the ball strike with their app, you have to be subscribed? BS! So, I sent my MLM2PRO back, got my refund and said never again will I buy a Rapsodo product.

[@markpatrick558]

What's the spotlight you have attached to the ceiling Joe? 240v or USB powered?

[@JLagGOLF]

Hey mate sorry for the late reply this is the spot light it use. Standard American wall plug from Amazon! AUCD Mini Portable 3W White Color LED Pinspot Beam Lamp Landscape Spotlights DJ Show Stage Lighting LE-M02-White amzn.asia/d/0calzN6

[@markpatrick558]

Thanks Joe!

[@OMG-2]

Does anyone know if you have multiple launch monitors (to be so lucky :-) do you need to buy multiple connectors from GS PRO? Good overview video - Joe you should create some playlists, at least one for sim components, one for launch monitors, one for GS Pro

[@JLagGOLF]

Thanks mate! If you contact the GS Pro team they are really helpful. The golf thing about having a lot of launch monitors that aren't supported is that you can just swap between them using the open API! Definitely email GS Pro and explain your situation having two different launch monitors.

[@eazy74]

Hi there. I'm a Samsung user, which unit would best suit being used with an android device?

[@JLagGOLF]

Hey mate both have the applications available for android. The annoying thing is they do come with a free e6 golf licence which gives you access to 5 free courses unfortunately though it's an iOS licence for both devices.

[@mark314j]

Whats the affordable hitting screen?

[@JLagGOLF]

If you're looking for something that's easy to put up and take down you can't beat the Spornia nets! They are fantastic. If you're looking for a more permanent solution and a bay style Sim then you can make your own like I did. Or if you live in Australia Bayside golf is a good option as you just buy it all in a package. Also Rapsodo sell packages as well!

[@10KenHall]

Because I already have the R10 I will wait to see what Garmin brings out next, other than that the Sky Track + . I feel Rapsodo subscription is poor value. Great video Joe

[@boojiboy2275]

Yep me too. Happy with R10 other than the spin axis. Watching Joe's videos the MLM II Pro still seems to drop out and have some connectivity issues from time to time. Not as bad as early on but there's no way I want to suffer through that the way Joe did. Plus Joe seems a pretty tech savvy guy and he still battled. The Garmin R10 was a piece of cake by comparison, straight out of the box it just worked. I'm hoping Garmin release something that will bring all the same reliability and accuracy plus spin axis.

[@Anchor75]

Mlm2pro works fine for me . I just set it up and it's amazing device. Seems accurate if set up properly

[@Anchor75]

You need the spin axis

[@JLagGOLF]

Yeah tbh the r10 is a Solid device… for me right now if I had the Garmin I would probably upgrade to the MLM2PRO just for the accurate shot shape but realistically does the everyday golfer need that?? Maybe not. I’m SUPER excited to see the next Garmin model.

[@kevinbergeron7333]

Still confused? I want spin axes data but I don’t have any place for indoor use so I will be hitting into a net in my backyard or at the range. I have been considering either the sc4 or mevo especially since I am looking into saving up for either the mevo plus or blp/full swing kit. I know that is the direction I want to go down. Just not sure in the between time. Any suggestions would be appreciated

[@Iamwrongbut]

You can use the mlm2pro outdoors into a net

[@JLagGOLF]

Hey mate a lot of people use them outside in the net with a lot of success. I was the same I got the Garmin as my first LM until I saved for my foresight GC2. Right now if I was starting I'd get the MLM2PRO for the accurate data and shot shape!

[@topgunbass]

How long did you keep your gc2. Seems like it was fine when you had it. Maybe the money upfront on a camera based unit is worth it if you keep it for 5yrs. That's assuming it's unlocked which is harder to find these days.

[@JLagGOLF]

Hey mate the GC2 was an absolutely fantastic device that I'm still kind of regretting letting go.. it was unlocked and just worked! There were only very minor things that could have been better with it like a better HLA on short putts. It was a very solid unit.

[@colinpastuch]

Earned the sub

[@JLagGOLF]

Thanks mate I really appreciate it 🙏 hopefully you keep enjoying the content!

[@skizzot91r]

one thing for me that i like.. the garmin you have the ability to play "online" against other players in sim correct? i know not live but your score can compare to others if im not mistaken.. the mlm2 doesnt have this feature yet correct

[@JLagGOLF]

Yes good pickup! You do have the weekly tournament that you can play in with the garmin. Rapsodo has yet to implement something similar.

[@CW_GOLF_]

Garmin - ZERO pay wall to use it. Rapsodo has too many issues. Besides the new Garmin will be out next year that's even better

[@JLagGOLF]

I can't wait to see what Garmin's been working on! If it's an R10 that can calculate spin axis we have a winner!

[@boredymcboredface8624]

Subscribing for cloud compute or other services that COST the manufacturer to maintain make sense. Feature unlock subscriptions are just a piss take cash grab from the manufacturer (like paying to get features like heated seats unlocked), I have heard that most of the rapsodo updates have been fixing the connectivity issues that exist with these units…. That irritates me more than a little bit, won’t support manufacturers like this even if they have a few more features

[@JLagGOLF]

Yeah I can see where you're coming from.. at least with the Uneekor eye mini for instance they have a subscription if you want to use it with GS Pro but then it's an official GS Pro connector! But without the subscription you can still see all your data it doesn't lock anything.

[@TheMCAids]

You shouldn't let pet peeves cloud your judgment. I get not liking subscriptions but the only other that are close to the MLM are 4 and 5 times the price. You would have to run one of these for 6 years to get to just the MEVo+ price. Hell you could run one of these for a decade for cheaper than a GC3

[@boredymcboredface8624]

@@TheMCAidsbut in fairness .. it’s a 1200 unit with a 200$ per year cost once you factor that in then you should just go for the mevo+ if the subscription was 20$ it would be less offensive but it is still just shady business practice trying to hold their customers to ransom and ensure ongoing revenue stream for hardware that you have already bought. Remember these features cost them nothing to provide. For me it’s either cheap option = Garmin expensive = mevo+ I’m sure there will be people that buy these without realising they loose functionality in 12 months

[@sowgelder]

This is NOT the best training aid for golf. It is very good but it does not have Angle of Attack. Rapsodo inform me its coming end of 2024! How can 'KZbin experts' make videos on Angle of Attack being important and then sing the praises of a device that doesn't do it?

[@JLagGOLF]

Oh wow did they tell you AOA is coming? That would be great. There are a LOT of metrics that people can get fixated on. At the end of the day the best feedback you will get is the ball flight and if you can understand why certain ball flights happen and what causes them then you don't really need the numbers. But they are nice to have and I want them all! 🤣🤣 That's why the Rapsodo is so good... The ball flight is insanely accurate for the price.

[@boredymcboredface8624]

Respectfully that’s garbage you can get more and more data BUT most people DONT need angle of attack. They need to practice using a system that gives them reasonable consistent data AND if budget is an issue - meaning that you would consider one of these devices over more expensive options then you SHOULD save some money for a putting setup and lessons because THAT will make far more of a difference than just another data point …. The m2lm retails for 1000$ and the Garmin for 850$ then if you price out over 5 years the m2lm is approaching 2k … so if you want more data save your money and buy a mevo+ OR budget and spend the money on lessons, approach, and putting. I’m going from Garmin to mevo or sky track- I don’t consider the m2lm “an upgrade”

[@nickfelfoldi8648]

How do the battery lives compare?

[@JLagGOLF]

The Garmin R10 is far superior with battery life. However having said that it doesn't really matter to me. I have a battery pack that I keep in my golf bag anyway and if the MLM2PRO gets low I just plug it in.