Should You Follow a Jeep in an AWD with Low Range to Bill Moore Lake? (lvl 4 Moderate Trail)

[@OutdoorMemories]

The biggest reason I was cautious on the trail was because I blew out my clutch days before that trail 🤦🏽‍♂️I wanted to baby the new one.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Thanks for clearing that up, 3 months since our trip and I didn't have a 100% vivid memory. I contemplated mentioning the burned out clutch and the exhaust issue, but felt it would complicate the story. My goal was to keep this video under the 40 minute mark, and I cut out footage to meet that goal. Pinned the comment! This was such a fun trail, a good memory.

[@coloradomallcrawlers]

Good stuff Jon! I love watching non Jeeps hit the trails.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Thanks Dewey! You have a beautiful back yard, and you're one of the best at producing Colorado trail content and honest reviews!

[@no-lodesigns]

Killer transition from inside to outside the vehicle going down to the lake.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Thanks Ian! I just randomly threw it in there. Glad you enjoyed it, I'll make more use of these type of transitions in the next video! Kingston Peak!!! I'll be adding links to Zach's videos in the video description. I was working on this video for the past week. I'd get home, work on the video for 30 minutes and then pass out on my keyboard. I finally had a solid 4 hours to work on it, finished it up yesterday morning, but still need to update the description.

[@no-lodesigns]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring that trail overall looks really good!

[@scrambler350]

Fun to watch someone in an AWD tackle a 'Jeep Trail' - actually getting out and using these things and pushing them - very fun to watch. Camera work was really nice. Subscribed!

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Thanks for the support and feedback! 🙏

[@Jonasegway]

@30secds ive actually raken that same shelf road with my bone stock 1st gen crv towards cinnamon pass. Suspension and everything is stock. I only put a 1 size wider and one size taller then stock tire which gave me about 8.8" of ground clearance. That trail was rated a 3 out of 5bso i figure it should be a nice little easy overlanding route 😒. A heavily modified weangler wondered how the heck i got all the way up there with a crv. He offer to follow me all the way up and I took him on his offer. I am super glad i did. I probably would have still made it without his assistance but he built me out of two scenarios on that shelf road and three on engineer pass. It was one of the best overlanding trips ive ever taken. I managed cinnamon, ghat shelf road at 30secds and cinnamon pass without scraping, hitting/rubbing or anything. After i was done with those 3 passes i ended up driving to Utah to hike spooky canyon, visited an off the beaten path waterboarded to hell road that lead me ro finding alot of exposed clear quartz. Etc etc and drove sll the way back to kansas with out breaking anything. I mention that because all of the beefed up jeeps/yotas/broncos etc were looking at me like how the heck a stock crv make it all the way up those passes and not break anything or scrapee etc it was amazing. No i dont think my crv is some sorta offroad vehicle i just wanted to share my story as i recognized that curve at 30secs vecause i remember pulling to the side at that very curve to let two wranglers and a bronco go around me since i was going much slower. One thing that trip taught me is with skill snf knowledge of your veicles dynamics, components and having an idea on what to do goes such a long way. My crv had just enough power with all the weight from camping gear and all of the stuff i had going on to make it up those passes without slipping the drive wheels.. i didnt even air down. I did it with 33psi in my tires. It was incredible.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Thanks for sharing your experience. At the 30 second mark, that's a switch back on the Bill Moore Lake Trail, we also do Cinnamon pass on this trip, so I know what you're talking about. This one was pretty gnarly, going down it, wheels get up in the air and there's less control because it's just a calculated slide. We took Cinnamon Pass all the way over to Corkscrew pass and that was one of the most scenic drives of our entire trip. These past 4 years we've been running Imogene Pass (which is waaaaaay too popular and crowded), but I would like to spend more time at Cinnamon pass and spend time by that large lake (I think it's called como lake?).

[@suzettecalleja3122]

Holy Mackerel. I don't often hear you say it was scary. Looking at that last climb knowing that you were going to have to climb back out I can see why you thought that. 😮😮

[@messix7768]

the rain you had "tacked up" the hill climb out. it gave just enough moisture to hold the rocks to the soil.

[@modulate72]

Maybe you shouldn't, but I enjoy your videos...and you have a good group to get everybody there and back.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Hey, that was my conclusion too. We got there, but that was a decently rough trail for our AWDs.

[@ZR2BIZON]

Fun! Subd. Trail traveler is awesome, plus he's local

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Thanks for the support! I've watched many of the Trail Travelers videos. For the past 2 years, I've been researching places I want to visit, like Broken Arrow / Soldier pass in Sedona Arizona, and these trails in Colorado and I just kept coming across his videos. Very informative and helpful.

[@ZR2BIZON]

@JonDZ_Adventuring Ofcourse! Seems like every trail you research he has a vid lol. Hopefully I run into him on a trail or maybe he'll invite!

[@edgarandreasyan521]

Dang the road to the lake looks cool.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

You would enjoy it, plus there's the "Red Elephant Hill" trail (Level 6) out there for your doorless Tacoma :P

[@mr_mcgoo2632]

I am surprised that no one has tried to engineer an electric locker for the rear axle for the honda. Great video .

[@PopeAstro]

It should be Eazy to do

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

@@PopeAstro haha! I'd love a rear locker. E-locker please. Someone make one! thanks!

[@PopeAstro]

It would be a game changer and someone could make a ton of $$ if they came out with one. ​@@JonDZ_Adventuring

[@rener44]

Job you’re looks very svelte 💪

[@PatrickRich]

Whats the dual range box in the Subi? They weren't very "low". If memory serves it was something like 1.2:1 or 1.44:1. Even best case - (3.636:1 1st gear, 1.44:1 dual range, 4.44 final) you are only looking at 23.25:1 crawl ratio, which is really not great for a manual. If it was an auto with that ratio it would be fantastic, but you need a lot more gearing without a torque converter to multiply that stall torque.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

@@PatrickRich you are correct, it’s like 22.5:1 to 23:1, but it does much better than the single speed manual at 16.7:1. The Forester / Crosstrek wilderness are also geared 16.7:1 but with a torque converter. The Subie low range did great on Imogene, much improved vs. the CVT attempts, it was night and day.

[@RobRoyRoadie]

Nice video, beautiful scenery, and glad the two AWD’s made it up, but dude in the Jeep needs to learn not to run so far ahead. I totally get that the Subie might need to room to build some momentum here and there, but you always need to remember the best rule for trail spacing is to make sure you can always see the guy behind you, not the one ahead. Backing down a hill to reach the rig behind you is often going to be a challenge. If you’re 200 yards up the hill it’s even harder, plus the guy behind you loses the benefit of watching your lines.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

@@RobRoyRoadie thanks Rob! Memory is a little hazy, but I believe Javier in the Subaru specifically requested that Sean in the Jeep drive well ahead. The Subaru has a dual range manual transmission and appreciated the space. Plus, Sean was driving over whatever he wanted 😂 (on trail of course), it was just too easy for him. Thanks for the informative comment!

[@seanwatson3790]

Ya I wasn't abandoning people, but I was doing some scouting ahead as well and that did require me to be ahead some. And I was always in radio range and was able to zip back at any moment

[@OverlandOverloaded]

Looks like an awesome trail, good people, but I hate mosquitoes!

[@rener44]

One excellent way to substitute sour cream is non-fat plain yogurt. Packed with protein

[@james_the_darklord]

I also have the same kelty awning like yours Jon

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

@@james_the_darklord it’s not quick, I don’t love it, but man it’s really effective!!! Okay, I guess I love it because i hate bugs and mosquitoes, and it does a good job at keeping them out when combined with mosquito nets 👍

[@robbergstrom943]

Sweet trip. The Honda seems more capable every time I see it. Can you get 300k out of it?

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Thanks Rob!! We need to return to Death Valley and finish that trail that got too rocky (for some). The odometer has 162K now, but It's really about 176K driven. I'm more than halfway there! We shall see, but I'll take it one step at a time.

[@michaelptm2269]

How long are you considering keeping your Honda for? Are you considering a Jeep for your next vehicle?

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

I'm absolutely appalled at how expensive new vehicles cost now. In 2019, I picked up my Honda for only $38K. The new Pilot Trailsport starts at $49.4K, a Tacoma TRD off-road is $53.6K but marked up to around $67K dealer markup. I'm actually very very happy with my Honda. Lexus GX460, Current gen Nissan Frontier, Nissan Armada (the Pro-4X) looks interesting, these are vehicles I have on my Radar. The New Passport, and upcoming Ridgeline is on my radar as well. I basically just want a vehicle that can get me far enough up a trail to access prime public land. This is such an amazing and cost effective way to travel.

[@mediocreman2]

What kind of car are you using? Is it a RAV4?

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Kia Soul

[@Lostsomewhereincolorado]

You’re going to have to be careful coming out here off-roading those awd vehicles in Colorado they are now going to start giving tickets to any awd vehicle found driving on a 4x4 designated trail.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

@@Lostsomewhereincolorado do you have a link to that? The only trail that has a restriction (that I know of) is Medano Pass in the Great Sand Dunes national park. Plus, the biggest off-road KZbin channel **edit: Colorado based ** TFL would be covering the story if that was true. Perhaps you’re misinformed?

[@Lostsomewhereincolorado]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring yup I seen it on the local news but looks like it was just a few national parks I thought it was all trails in Colorado my mistake.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

@@Lostsomewhereincolorado no apologies needed, National news was confused and mistaken. I’ve been having a lot of fun with the whole thing on my Instagram account 😂.

[@anonymous..-]

NPS wants to know your location.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

@@anonymous..- hahahaha! I’m waiting for my letter! 😂

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

@@anonymous..- I think I know what I’m going to do for my April Fools 2025 🤣

[@anonymous..-]

@@JonDZ_AdventuringYes. Get those ducky boys worked up.

[@89crix]

What size microwave and power bank are you using?

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

@@89crix I have a 700 watt Walmart microwave. Not sure of the size. I have the Eco Flow Delta 2 Max power station. It has a 2048 capacity and 2400 watt output

[@VideosOffRoad]

If "broken axles are a common thing" then it seems to me the vehicle is being abused, certainly pushed beyond design specifications plus safety margins, and really probably shouldn't be there. The fact that it needs to be towed multiple times is also a pretty strong indication that the vehicle really probably shouldn't be there. #BroughtAKnifeToAGunFight

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Yeah, the new Toyotas are having issues too. Broken everything. axles, transmission, engines, yikes! They're suppose to be designed to handle all this stuff.

[@VideosOffRoad]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring SUPPOSED TO...in actuality they may be so desperate to make things lighter for better Almighty MPG that they've made them too weak. (Except for the Tundra engine issues, different problem). When Jeep first started releasing the JL Wranglers they came with things like aluminum steering knuckles and steering box mounting brackets that were too thin and that wouldn't last at all. So focused on MPG they lost their way.

[@anonymous..-]

I’m starting to think the Passport is the best mid range off-roader nobody knows about. The 2026 specs are killer. I will probably be trading in my wife’s Outback for a 2026 Passport if Subaru doesn’t evolve. I just don’t see how Subaru is going to fix the crawl problem unless they go DCVT or electric motor assist….and I personally don’t want electric motor complexity. Honda is testing on legit trails, not “marketing trails” like Subaru.

[@CC_Marauder]

TFS

[@stefanhiltbrunner8997]

Interesting… but why not just buy a jeep and enjoy being able to drive anywhere without having to get towed or braking down? 😂

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

At 34:26 the chapter called “real talk: onroad vs. offroad” will answer your question. Where Jeeps make off-road easy, an on-road oriented car makes daily driving and traveling long distance easy. The AWDs drive about 1000 miles to meet up with the guy with the Jeep.