Should you go IE Stage 1 on your VW 2.5? - Long Term Review - Integrated Engineering Volkswagen 07K

[@VoyageRC]

Are you considering IE for your tunes?

[@jacobguinta7994]

i’m very torn on my mk6 2.5 jetta. i’m running a header back straight pipe (no cats,mufflers,and resonators) i want a tune to both make my car faster and make some gunshots. i’d get an intake as well as a trans tune to help cope with the tune. my car is a 6 speed auto though. do i go for an ie stage 1 or 2 tune. i do want something more aggressive as well

[@VoyageRC]

@@jacobguinta7994 stage 2 is more power and it keeps the power all the to redline. Stage 1 will still make the car drive better. Stage 2 will only work on electric power steering. You said you have a Mk6 so you probably have hydraulic.

[@adampelletier8425]

@@VoyageRC so if I have the 2011 2.5 jetta I can’t go stage 2

[@VoyageRC]

@@adampelletier8425 you would have to convert to electric power steering. The manifold for stage 2 will not clear the hydraulic power steering pump.

[@adampelletier8425]

@@VoyageRC are you aware of any kits for the swap I have been looking for a minute

[@saturnspeed12]

Just want to add that if you want to improve gas mileage, leave it in gear on decel. This will go into fuel cut, which is better on mileage. If putting in neutral, it will be like idling only at a higher rpm thus using more fuel. The only exception would be if you get a tune that adds "pops and bangs" on decel in gear which does a burst of fuel on the exhaust stroke. It only does it very briefly (or should only!), so it may still be better to leave it in gear.

[@bigboy4105]

Hi Ian you seem to know what you’re talking about and I had installed an IE tune on my Audi and I noticed that those pops and bangs gave me a rich engine. I had a high flow cat and a catback downpipe from cts turbo installed and had no clue why I had that problem after installing the pop and bang tune. Maybe has to due with it being straight piped currently as well. Working on a muffler.

[@JasonBuis5697]

Thanks for the info, I picked up a 2012 passat 2.5 5 speed earlier this year and have been considering doing this for a bit, mainly for the revhang but a bit more power might be nice

[@VoyageRC]

👍🏻 its worth it

[@gottawatch1932]

Thank you for making a straightforward, to the point with no flash video. I really appreciate this low key approach to an informative video about what I searched for. I subscribed. Keep the info coming on the 2.5. I have the 2012 Golf 2 door - 5sp. 5pot. Have the Awe Catback touring exhaust. Ingen CAI . Going to do the IE tune next . Thanks for the video.

[@VoyageRC]

Thank you 🙏🏻 Let that 5 cylinder scream!

[@DZGamer51416]

I did stage 1, redline 7100rpm and driving is way more fun 🎉

[@VoyageRC]

I feel like your stage and redline dont match up, but driving is way more fun for sure.

[@SlyLix]

2:14 I actually don’t know how to drive an automatic 😅 I try getting some torque going up a hill and they start revving and shifting gears instead. All the sudden I’m at 5k rpm for no reason.

[@VoyageRC]

@@SlyLix 🤣 true story

[@SlyLix]

@ 😅

[@juansolo1617]

Downshifting to decelerate shouldn't waste extra fuel. The RPMs will go up but fuel cut is engaged. You can verify this with a good scan tool (VW uses VAGCOM which is total balls, though - my scanner that cost me a grand doesn't work good with my Beetle). When you downshift and don't gas it (let it coast) the wheels are spinning the engine thru the driveline, not fuel / combustion, it's basically the reverse of power delivery. The compression strokes will help to slow the vehicle down at a consistent rate without using the brakes, a lot like a diesel's engine brake. It's advisable to downshift without worrying about wasted fuel. I've even had times when I lost a master cylinder and was able to drive in the city for a few hours in traffic using only the trans to slow down, and then using the parking brake to engage a stop once below 10mph. Either way, thanks for the video. I haven't seen any reviews of the IE "tune." If the ECU fuel / ignition maps can be reflashed I don't understand why it isn't just reprogrammable to any tune I would like.

[@VoyageRC]

Yes but with the tune dumping a little fuel causing the “pops” … I agree that all modern engines will kill the fuel supply on deceleration. (On the factory tune)

[@Teejay1316]

I agree it should’ve been a 6 speed. I hate being in 5th gear going 70mph at 3000rpms. I wish it had an extra gear.

[@mr.fordman7808]

This is an old video but I was wondering what mk5 jetta 2.5 years have the manul transmission. I'm looking into getting one and don't want an automatic lol

[@VoyageRC]

Just have to find one with that option.

[@mr.fordman7808]

@@VoyageRC thanks! Also, how much horses did you gain with the stage 2 tune?

[@VoyageRC]

@@mr.fordman7808 the car is about 190-200 ho at the wheels now. Stage 2 has a much better power curve though. Night and day difference. Highly recommend it.

[@its_kevin3789]

I have been considering stage 1 tuning my automatic 6 speed, 2012 jetta 2.5L, but my biggest worry is that allowing higher rpm will destroy my engine much quicker and make it a lot less reliable. Have you had any issues caused by the tune, and how would you say it effects reliability? Thanks

[@VoyageRC]

I have had no issues with the tune. The engine is good for higher RPM. I am stage 2 now and no issues. The 07k engine is pretty stout. 👍🏻

[@aaronrolan8306]

It will destroy your transmission faster

[@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo]

​@@aaronrolan8306 how? with only 1k extra rev? and a little handful more ponies?.... the 09G can take 300 HP+. Max 400 reliably..... what is your counter argument?

[@evilpanther990]

I have the 2.5 stage 1 tune today and there’s not much change in the pops I only have a magnaflow resonator and cat stock intake I have half and half 87 and 93 in the tank rn will it get louder or should I go catless

[@VoyageRC]

Did you get the tune just to have pops?

[@evilpanther990]

@@VoyageRC no the rev hang and throttle response was my biggest issue but I saw your video and it’s popping like crazy on stage 1

[@VoyageRC]

@@evilpanther990 Okay. Yeah, i don’t have any mufflers or resonators.

[@sotasmithmusic]

The slow start and hesitation from a dead stop is what bothers me most about my 2.5 Auto. Do you think this tune will help with that? I keep seeing gains at redline.

[@VoyageRC]

Stage 1 is more bottom end than the stage 2 setup. Responsiveness should improve on this tune. You will want to do the trans tune as well to gain full benefit.

[@nickcurran2405]

Hey man, super informative video. Do you have any suggestions for a catback for a 2010 golf 2.5?

[@VoyageRC]

Straight pipe it like I am or look into AWE for a cat back system. I have some videos of the straight pipe on the channel.

[@jacobusvisser6428]

Will this tune affect the 150hp iterations of the 2.5 the same as the 170hp versions? Like will it go to 185ish either way

[@VoyageRC]

Should be similar

[@sergiovaniester139]

Is it harder to drive w/o rev hang?

[@VoyageRC]

@@sergiovaniester139 only if your a grandma going to mass on a Sunday. It’s much better with the tune.

[@gavindies7271]

I noticed the same thing with the gearing. It's odd how it falls off, and not completely usable in day to day traffic

[@VoyageRC]

6spd swap will fix it 😜 I cant stand this 5spd. And the diff is terrible. I think mine is going out 🤔

[@gavindies7271]

@@VoyageRC my plan was add enough power where that wasn't much of a problem.

[@VoyageRC]

@@gavindies7271 its been known to be a problem at factory power. Just an FYI

[@randycastelos3781]

I will be doing 6 speed swap axles FSi or tsi flywheel clutch which ever one has a six bolt flywheel it’s a direct bolt on just need to shave an 1/8 off bell housing so it doesn’t crack timing case but extremely straight forward

[@VoyageRC]

@@randycastelos3781 6spd swap for sure!

[@mrwilliams7086]

my question is i heard you need a dyno machine to do a proper tune but with the I.E. tune at that you do at home all you need is a laptop and something to keep the car on for the battery i think would i be correct ?

[@VoyageRC]

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[@DigitalKudzu]

my mileage did not change, stage 2 since new (after 10K for break in ) My Borla GTI cat back doesn't gargle or pop.

[@VoyageRC]

Oh man. My mileage changed slightly. Changed more on stage 2. I think thats because stage 2 likes the higher RPM range. Its nice to know that not all exhaust pop.

[@leeksquad6428]

Hey I have the stage 1 tune I tried reving while still but it still doesn’t go past 4000 rpms what is wrong?

[@VoyageRC]

Should be able to smack redline. Contact IE support. Thats something Im not sure about. 🤔

[@leeksquad6428]

@@VoyageRC i will I still get the loud pops and crackles but I don’t have an air intake in it yet

[@leeksquad6428]

But I’m just not sure why I don’t get to rev past 4000

[@VoyageRC]

@@leeksquad6428 I would contact IE support. Not sure what is going on.

[@doublespeak4009]

thanks for the vid homie, def helped me make up my mind. also quick question, what size piping did you use for the straight pipe?

[@VoyageRC]

Awesome! Pipe, I believe, was 2.5".

[@dylananthony5454]

it’s actually better to have the back pressure from the muffler in this engine believe it or not

[@Mogoley]

Hey man, what exhaust system do you have installed? I want to put a new exhaust that can crackle and pop on my 2008 2.5L Jetta, I currently have mine straight piped with basically the stock exhaust system

[@VoyageRC]

Mine is straight piped after the CAT

[@Mogoley]

@@VoyageRCoh okay, should I get a cat exhaust off Urotuning and then straight pipe it?

[@_DaRobot]

so is 91 octane must after stage 1 or I can run 87 during the week and 91 when I am trying to have some fun on the weekends?

[@VoyageRC]

It will run on 87 but not recommended. It will pull timing and your mileage will be terrible. Better off just running 91 full time.

[@JoshuaRowe-n6t]

What is the exhaust your running ?

[@VoyageRC]

It is the factory Mk5 manifold and CAT followed by some pipe.

[@jeffreyreed3365]

Can you adjust the redline with this?

[@VoyageRC]

It’s preset with the tunes. Stage 1 increases slightly and stage 2 goes to 7200.

[@jeffreyreed3365]

@@VoyageRC thanks

[@donaldbollinger2407]

Hey I have a 2014 2.5 passat 5 speed. When I go to do a launch I get a big nothing it launches for a split sec then goes into a limping mode no codes or lights. Is it something that stage one would clear up. If not what should I Do? I had a 97 glx vr that was so much fun. I want this one to be fun too. Thanks

[@VoyageRC]

Sounds like something is going on. I am stage 2 and the car is very fun, especially with suspension mods. I have the 5spd, but honestly, I have never hard launched them car. I don’t trust that transmission.

[@natalis08]

Are those wheels the BBS LM 19in?

[@VoyageRC]

I wish they were real BBS. 🤣 They are Alzor 18”.

[@toastob]

Thanks for making videos on this in 2021! Some people on forums report throwing drive belts because of the raised rev limiter. Have you had any issues with this? Some recommend putting on an Audi TTRS crank drive pulley to resolve the issue.

[@VoyageRC]

I am currently running the ECS lightweight underdrive pulley. I have thrown 1 belt in about 20k miles. The TTRS pulley would be the best choice for this higher RPM. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@toastob]

@@VoyageRC Thanks for the reply! The jetta is looking and sounding great 🔥🔥

[@VoyageRC]

@@toastob not a problem and thanks!

[@mikemarin4793]

My current set up is catless stock resonator and a vibrant resonator would getting a stage 1 clear my code for not having a cat ? Or do I have to go stage 2

[@VoyageRC]

None of the IE tunes will clear the code for the CAT delete

[@2wheelcobra]

Would you still prefer this gearing over the 2012-2014 5 speed gearing the 2.5 manuals got?

[@VoyageRC]

I would prefer a 6spd over any 5spd

[@2wheelcobra]

@@VoyageRC It is still a 5 speed, just different ratios. Wasn't sure if the longer gearing would actually suit the car better. Probably only on the highway, I imagine.

[@VoyageRC]

@@2wheelcobra the problem is 3rd gear, it just falls on its face. The tighter gearing with the 6spd will make it feel how it should.

[@highestmonk7787]

Can you chose what tunes to go from? I was looking Into maybe getting it but didn't want all the tunes that make you have to run 91 octane, I'd like to stick to 87 due to fuel prices in my area.

[@VoyageRC]

Their is only 1 "Stage 1" tune. Nothing to choose from. To be fair, the factory tune on the 2.5 runs the best on 91 anyways. You will be pulling timing on 87 and losing power.

[@araskaunas3144]

I have a volkswagen jetta 2.5 se 2013 and has 130k miles and engine bay is in good conditions is it worth getting stage 1?

[@VoyageRC]

It’s always worth it

[@untakenusername1]

I bought my MKV Jetta (also 2.5) a couple months ago and was wondering if I should do custom, straight pipe exhaust. About how loud would this be?

[@VoyageRC]

Its pretty loud. Not a V8 though so 🤷🏼‍♂️. I have a video showing the sound on all three tunes (factory, stage 1, and stage 2).

[@IsaakMK7]

Can i use the tune from someone who already install it on their car ?

[@VoyageRC]

Negative ghost rider. The tune is linked to the vehicles VIN number and can only be used on one vehicle.

[@jlott4209]

yes just got the stage 1 tune,is the stage 2 worth it ?I see you got it but haven't really talked about it .

[@VoyageRC]

Im backed up on videos. I will be posting videos on stage 2. Im very happy with it 😜

[@jlott4209]

@@VoyageRC also wondering about the pops,I feel my car is lacking the pops,I have cold air,gutted pipe just like you but lacking the pops,I gotta really try to do it for it to work,I. seeing other 2.5 doing same thing,why am I lacking?I drive 2011 mk6 jetta 2..5 se

[@VoyageRC]

@@jlott4209 not sure. The pops are typically a byproduct of the tune. Is the exhaust completely gutted?

[@jlott4209]

@@VoyageRC ya man I believe so,also k&n cold air ,...my exhaust tip is a single oval tip,you think the exhaust tip would have anything to do with it ?and thanks for the response I enjoy the vids,and waiting to see the stage to update,

[@VoyageRC]

@@jlott4209 the tip shouldnt have any effect on pops. Only restrictions would affect it. Thanks for watching. Stage 2 reaction is coming.

[@jakeribreau12]

Did the car pop and burble before the tune?

[@VoyageRC]

Very minimal. But a little with the open exhaust.

[@CS-en5xz]

Got an 09 2.5 auto and would like to get a little more power. Was wondering if theres any increase in power from the red coil packs or if theyre even worth it? Probably going to get them either way. Was just curious

[@VoyageRC]

I have not used the reds but I would imagine it would not be noticeable. But if your coils are old a new set will rejuvenate the system.

[@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo]

the red Audi R8 coil packs do not add any extra HP...... so whats the point? the OEM VW ones have a higher margin of fail rate. VW states good for the life of the car, but 100k miles are recommended for replacement. They do fail due to heat soak from the engine cover. The R8 ones are way better made with better alloy coating completely reducing your chances of break down.....cheers.

[@mindful__gardener]

does this tune improve mpg

[@VoyageRC]

Yeah, not really. Plus you are switching to 91 or 93 octane premium fuel. Is it worth it? Absolutely!

[@blu2.551]

Hey man, is the tune reversible?

[@VoyageRC]

It sure is 👍🏻

[@isaacshively6705]

Can you use the tune on multiple cars and if so would you like to sale your stage 1

[@VoyageRC]

You can only use it on one vehicle. The flash dongle can be linked to 3 vehicles, I believe. I paid the upgrade price to go to stage 2 so technically I only paid stage 2 pricing.

[@mr.hansholmes2367]

How much hp can I expect from the tune?

[@VoyageRC]

About 18. Noticeable on the ol’ butt dyno. The drive-ability is way better too.

[@prolifik_hussle5972]

I have a 2012 jetta se 5 speed. Care to help me out ?

[@VoyageRC]

What do you need?

[@loganthomas1644]

Does it pop decent with stage 1?

[@VoyageRC]

It does. I am straight piped though.

[@davecubsrule]

Bro I put 10k miles in like 4 months you need to get it more

[@entertainmentbrothers2851]

How much do your pay for stage 1

[@VoyageRC]

www.performancebyie.com

[@VoyageRC]

Tune is $400 and the powerlink is $150

[@9mmnelson140]

The guy in Honda will think he beat a VR6 now.

[@iTzkitteh]

I got my ECU tune, and I’ve got the TCU tune for my automatic. Kinda tough to tell the difference the TCU tune makes, but I put them both on at the same time. I’m almost considering returning it

[@VoyageRC]

The TCU tune allows it to rev past factory red line. You are getting higher revs with that tune.

[@devincruz1128]

I also have a automatic 2.5 Do I need to worry about buying anything else to withstand the higher revs once I add the TCU tune?

[@iTzkitteh]

@@devincruz1128 I didn't, and haven't had any problems

[@devincruz1128]

@@iTzkitteh do you have cold air intake?

[@MrConkee]

Funny i just bought this tune tonight before watching this.

[@VoyageRC]

🤣 You will love it!

[@MrConkee]

@@VoyageRC can't wait. I'm really hoping it gets rid of that dead spot in the power band

[@VoyageRC]

@@MrConkee im sure you will like it. There is always stage 2 if you want more.

[@MrConkee]

@@VoyageRC I'm sure I will as well. Btw your car is clean and sounds awesome.

[@VoyageRC]

@@MrConkee Thank you!