Should you play Star Wars Legion in 2024?

[@LastNameTom]

Kinda funny how they are diving DEEP into the lore for extra characters, but are staying as far away as possible from the Sequel Trilogy.

[@thewynnest]

🤣 yes it’s quite obvious. But to be completely fair and I know people might hate it; I’d be cool with having first order stuff.

[@Moderndayatlas]

As someone who would love to see Kylo Ren in the game, I just don't know how much of a difference you could make between Empire and FO, or Rebels and Resistance.

[@thewynnest]

Very true. And to be honest, I like what AMG is doing now. They got quite creative with the Bright Tree Village Battleforce, which was their first 'in house' project I heard. I'm all in for that one, more on that in this weeks video 😅

[@ButchersNailsEnjoyer]

I mean why would anyone wanna play sequel factions when the rebels and empire already exist. Half the heroes are already galactic civil war heroes. Youd just be playing the same faction with slightly different models 😂

[@benchui580]

First order faction would be cool. I wonder is there people use 3D printing to make them.

[@IanWhite1979]

This is one of the best videos I've seen that concisely explains core stuff about Legion that makes me want to give it a shot. Been looking at jumping in with a droid army.

[@thewynnest]

Ahh man that’s too kind! Droids is awesome, my buddy (the one in the video) also has a droid army. There’s a lot more Legion content coming soon, so stay tuned if you’d like!

[@beowulfjast]

I've been playing 40k since 8th, but I picked up Legion almost a year ago. I absolutely love playing Legion way more than 40k, which is mostly due to the alternating activations. Plus, it's much more affordable and like you mentioned, it's great to have the rules come with the minis. Solid video dude!

[@thewynnest]

Thank you for the kind words! I hear a lot of people that get blown away by Legions game style. Same for me! And is true that assembling a pretty sizable army doesn’t have to be expensive.

[@HappyNoob17YT]

40k 11th ed needs alternate activations

[@ButchersNailsEnjoyer]

Terrain also matters in this game. Theyre not just LOS blockers or stuff that slows you down, you are incentivized to hunker down and stay in cover in legion and even scale and climb the terrain to flank. Looking at you 40k that may as well just have blocks on the board cuz all 40k terrain does is block line of sight most of the time.

[@DailYxDosE]

why is cover more important in legion?

[@ButchersNailsEnjoyer]

@@DailYxDosE in legion you usually roll low number of dice and on average you land 3-5 face up hits. Cover will automatically negate 1-2 of those so staying out in the open is usually suicide

[@logan-9900]

Dude don't lie everyone in this game ends up with hard cover.

[@DailYxDosE]

@@logan-9900 huh?

[@FinnMcRiangabra]

@@logan-9900 There is a difference between fantasy and utter flights of fancy. In anything like a real battle, most participants will try to find and stay in hard cover. The game rules, as simple as they are, reflect this. They encourage players to keep units/minis in hard cover... just like the troopers that the minis represent would probably do. This is an example of good rules writing - the rules make players do things that reflect the simulated situation. It is pretty much the original point of war gaming. If you prefer flight of fancy games, like WH40K, that's fine. But WH40K, though its backstory is rich and entertaining, is actually shit as a war game. It is supposed to be a far-future game and it does include many troop types with powerful ranged weapons. But the rule set mostly encourages players to just throw their troops forward into assault. The rules are not written to encourage "real world" behavior *even if* that "real world" is actually a fantasy world.

[@viityazz9466]

Great Video, I started playing this game 2 years ago. I really love it. It is fun and simple to play.

[@thewynnest]

Thank you! The game is great. Can’t wait to see what’s next for legion!

[@porkers7792]

Heavily recommend the Star Wars Legion Tabletop simulator mod. It has easy integration with JSON export list builders (Like 5th trooper), and it lets you test out builds and minis virtually before you buy them. Amazing mod.

[@thewynnest]

Good tip! I only ever used TTS for Kill Team, but can give it a go again someday.

[@Vorpal_Wit]

Adding a little plastic aquarium foliage to those Tatooine bases would instantly make them Scarif bases. I think you should do it. The single thing that continues to keep me from playing Legion was the scale. I don't have time or money to collect all new terrain and minis in another scale. I already play FFoL's Galactic Heroes using my Imperial Assault minis and have an entire 4X8 Mos Eisley table.

[@thewynnest]

Good suggestion! Maybe I'll change to Scarif that way. They're a bit boring and since this video was made I acquired lots more units so it's starting to look bland. As for the scale; I heard someone talk about Epic scale Legion with X-Wing models and such. That would be prettttty sick.

[@orrinfreeman5672]

Been Playing X-wing since 2016, but I just started playing Legion in early 2023. Went to my first tournament this January and the more I play Legion the more I love it! So glad I gave it a shot.

[@thewynnest]

Cool! I still want to get into X-Wing someday. Any recommendation? Boxes etc ect

[@orrinfreeman5672]

@@thewynnest They now have individual Faction starter sets! They are a great way to get started. For Rebels and Empire at least. Hopefully they will do ones for the other factions. But the game is in a great place right now so you can start with a faction and buy ships that you think are cool and you will likely have the components of a competitive squadron!

[@makeshiftdecisions]

The board, models and everything look amazing.

[@thewynnest]

Thank you! Rick always has the best terrain and makes sure the table looks good. See you around Makeshift!

[@FeliPeltier]

I’ve bought a looot of this game and painted it up. My first war game was song of ice and fire where I could store everything in vacuum trays. I’m having a hard time trying to figure out how to store all my painted minis. There is no room on the shelf!

[@thewynnest]

Storage is a problem for me as well 😂.. I’m looking into that soon, I have everything in plastic containers. Some I display around my house, but those are usually single models I just finished.

[@josephamstutz8532]

A little late to the video but for storage I put small magnets on the bottom of the bases of the troopers and put them on metal baking sheets, works for storage and transportation!!!

[@MakingMagicalAdventures]

Thanks for the insight on this game. I’ve always wanted to get into this but didn’t know what it was about, but now looking forward to buying my first starter set! 🎉

[@thewynnest]

I hope you'll ease into the new rules!

[@foolofatook7708]

Oh, I plan on it. Been wanting to play this for so long, but friend groups only play 40k. With 40k not being my jam anymore, I’m excited to embark upon the Legion route

[@thewynnest]

You won’t regret it! Maybe your local game store is hosting some legion?

[@Wardice_Warlord]

Same for me. When engaged into 40k I side glanced legion. Now that I am on a 40k break legion has been picked up

[@jerrysgameshop]

This looks like the card trays from our shop! If so, hope you're enjoying the files! Randomly came across this video. Great video!

[@thewynnest]

Ahhh great, love ‘em! They’re my buddies actually, he had them printed by someone. We’re printing some more this month. The little holes are for magnets, am I right?

[@jerrysgameshop]

@@thewynnest that’s right! There’s a link in the download to the magnets

[@Bukal9209]

Awesome video, exactly what I was looking for, thanks!

[@JasonSimmons69]

Great video. Have been playing Legion for three years and I love it

[@thewynnest]

Thank you 🙏 What faction(s) do you play?

[@ButchersNailsEnjoyer]

Battle forces are a great way to start too. You get 2 sets of command cards in it usually the army specific cards and then the character specific cards. If you buy the starter set with just the dice and tools, you get the generic command cards too so you already have a good and diverse command hand to run in a skirmish game. Battle forced also give you a lot of support and corps units that you dont need to buy multiple of if youre starting out your army. The nice thing about legion is that they tend to put 2-4 of your cheap front line units into n box sets meaning you dont have to go out and keep buying individual sets of those units

[@thewynnest]

Good point! I was eyeballing some battle forces as well. 501st seems to be sold out everywhere tho.

[@rickvandenberg6063]

Awesome! Great game, lots of fun!

[@loveone789]

You see, i prefer my army info consolidated in a book rather than spread out in various decks from different boxes. Id rather have a book with a code to download a digital copy and the option to buy a deck of cards as a supplement to the book. The sight of a cluttered side board full of extra mandatory preparatory peripheral materials that are difficult to replace seems so uncivilized.

[@thewynnest]

To each his own! I really prefer unit cards. Also got them from GW for 10th.

[@sircommissar]

only real thing i dont like that they are doing is that 1) no first order snow troops 2) using CW designs even when the movie versions are generally agreed to be better (like the announced crab droids)

[@thewynnest]

I get what you mean with the designs. But overall I like that you can choose what you like. And first order? Maybe. I still hope they will be released. And I think so!

[@willgrealy1727]

Due to a change in work commitments, I've had to move war gaming clubs. I've been slowly building a war gaming group involving Legion, Shatterpoint and Marvel: Crisis Protocol.

[@thewynnest]

Atomic Mass Games approves hehe. Id actually like to try the Marvel Game, or at least paint the minis.

[@willgrealy1727]

@@thewynnest the Marvel miniatures are a blast to paint. I make things interesting by trying out alternative colour schemes for some of them.

[@willgrealy1727]

@@thewynnest lol, yeah AMG approves 😁

[@JMACCSArmiesOfMiddleEarth]

Oooo that rebel army looks verrry nice

[@thewynnest]

Thank youuuu sir!

[@SimonePontiggia]

Tauntaun in the desert…. I did mine inspired to african Orix… love them!

[@thewynnest]

That’s sounds so cool!! If you’d like to share; check one of my latest videos for my discord link. Would love to see them!

[@brianv769]

I have seriously been considering getting into this game this year.

[@thewynnest]

It’s a great game! Having lots of fun with it.

[@exactinmidget92]

have they solved the supply issue? i only care about the clones and it seems that phase 2 clones are sold out everywhere.

[@thewynnest]

Over here in the Netherlands phase 2 clone troopers are no problem actually! But some units are harder to get than others for sure!

[@michaeld6207]

The answer is YES! It’s so good

[@thewynnest]

YESSS 🔥

[@talhaiqbal6798]

I've looked at legion many times but have passed it up each time. Problem for me is it's a steep cost to entry and knowing myself I'd want EVERYTHING, plus terrain for this game is EXPENSIVE. I'd easily spend 2 grand on it. While assembly isn't as much of an issue for me, painting is as I have no experience with it and seeing everyone's awesome setups, paint jobs, terrains etc. makes me think I don't have the space or skill for it. Perhaps in the future :\ I've picked up imperial assault for my fill in the meantime

[@thewynnest]

I see what you mean man. but if you want to get into it and try out painting I highly recommend getting into stormtroopers. I mean, you need a white primer, maybe a black and white contrast paint (apothecary white and black templar), some brushes and youre good to go painting wise. Dont get too much stuff all at once (i know its hard haha), see if you like the painting. I can safely say Star Wars Legion is a good one to get into. As far as terrain goes; try and find a local gaming club or store, theyll have terrain for sure. Hope it helps!

[@botleybotley8628]

I paid £45 for the starter box!not expensive id say

[@talhaiqbal6798]

@@botleybotley8628lol this comment simply doesn't address the various things I mentioned, good for you though

[@davidmilne6259]

Superb video, thanks man

[@thewynnest]

Thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed it!

[@SebboRex]

Nice guide. What are the glimpses of a battlereport you cut in? It looks pretty professional filmed tho

[@thewynnest]

I actually recorded that at my friends ricks place, thanks for the compliments! There mightttt be a battlereport coming up some day.

[@dutchhondarebel]

Any advice on terrain when you just wanna give it a shot without investing a whole lot? Or just tape of an area of your dining table, put the barricades down and that's enough?

[@thewynnest]

Hello there! For your first few games, just using the barricades is enough for sure. Later you can look at scratch building terrain or go for MDF packs or even cardboard packs for terrain. Apart from these more budget options there’s 3D printing. Stay tuned for terrain options, cause I’m making some videos about it soon 🤘

[@Brick-2010]

where can i get that card holder on your table

[@thewynnest]

STL is in my discord. Linked in the description below this video!

[@CarlosSchulz1]

This game seems to be fantastic. Unfortunately here in Brazil we cannot find the game and the taxes to import are very high 😢. Maybe one day I'll get a copy.

[@thewynnest]

Ohh that’s a bummer.. Well you never know; I think the game is still growing so hopefully it’ll be available worldwide someday.

[@treycko1377]

Short answer, Yes. Legion has been undergoing a company switch for the past bit, but with everything that's slated to come out for the game in 2025, as well as having one of the best gaming communities, the future for legion is incredibly bright.

[@thewynnest]

I’m super excited for the future of legion. And especially looking forward to get that new Rebel Sleeper Cell unit this Christmas 🎅

[@DefaultProphet]

Protip for the soft plastic models, cut off the push to fit pins/nubs.

[@thewynnest]

Great tip! I’ll keep that in mind, although the times of soft plastic are almost gone luckily!

[@DefaultProphet]

@@thewynnest thankfully. Their mold lines are the least enjoyable part of putting together any systems minis I’ve done.

[@Mantala0611]

Hello, I wonder where you can get like scenery for the game ? Cuz I play on like....my table... and looks kinda dull hahaha, any advice on that ?

[@thewynnest]

Hi! Your best friend is your best friend with a 3D printer. But there’s plenty of scrap terrain tutorials out there as well. You can make awesome terrain out of literal trash! I’ll have a tutorial on that, out very soon so stay tuned!

[@crayzeewhorse]

Awesome, me a mate have just split the empire/rebels core set, do the card holders come with the set or is that something you've brought separately?

[@thewynnest]

Good choice! Nah the card holders are actually 3D printed and can be found on Etsy I think. They’re not mine.

[@crayzeewhorse]

@thewynnest aaahhh, ok, that's a shame, they look handy! Still, not a necessity tho, tbh I just can't wait to start painting Vader 😅

[@raddarat8471]

Idk WH40k kill team just seems better It has an activation system where each player moves one unit at a time Very simple to use and understand movement system Way more options for factions to play Kinda cheaper considering the octarious boxset gets you two full teams and all you need for 85 euros Kill team boxes are new models so they are made of plastic And the game is very well balanced as it gets pretty frequent balance patches

[@thewynnest]

I get where you’re coming from! I do enjoy a bit of kill team myself. Thinking about getting a new team soon actually!

[@ZZZano718]

Love this game one thing I would have added in your video is compared to other games (warhammer) it is rather cheap I have spent just under $1000 dollars CAD on the game and I have a large army paints primes etc and enough units to change up my army abit

[@thewynnest]

Hey thanks for this tip! And try to cover it in the ‘accessibility’ section of the video, but not too clear. You’re right; I find that this game provides way more value in actual models than other (40K for example) games do. Not to mention there’s no need for books, which saves you another 100 or so euros/dollars. I think I’m at 350 dollars total so far and have everything that I need for a standard (800 pts) game.

[@willnox1]

What is that awesome card holder you are using to hold your unit cards???

[@thewynnest]

Those are Ricks! I'll ask him and get back to you. I want them as well hehe.

[@thewynnest]

He found them on Etsy. They’re just 3D printed ones. I hope they’ll eventually sell these, they’re super handy especially cause you can stack them and have magnets in the corners.

[@c0rn651]

interesting ive been painting warhammer but never actually played (cant find people) so id probably end up doing the same here but the only army i would be into is empire but thats alot of white to paint which sucks, any advice?

[@thewynnest]

In that very particular situation I’d recommend you just pick up one of the many boxes available and do some painting! If you don’t like white, I’d get some shoretroopers or dark troopers maybe? If you do have people to play with, there’s no way around the core set.

[@Aigis31]

This game seems interesting. Is that TIE Fighter Hanger official? It looks amazing! I definitely want it in my collection.

[@thewynnest]

The game is amazing! The hanger is not official no, but still a very good addition to any Star Wars Legion battlefield!

[@RosiePaintsMinis]

im honestly just sad that ashoka is only a rebel model and not usable in the clonewars

[@thewynnest]

Yeah true, maybe she gets an alternate card in the future?

[@mathiasstaub4093]

I see the pros and cons between this and warhammer 40k but warhammer doesn't give you the cards with the minis is cause the rules get updated to often, you'd have to buy updated ones every now and then, also a pdf is more than enough

[@thewynnest]

Yeah that’s one thing I don’t like about some games; rules that get updated too often. Other than that, I do like having cards in front of me! But to each his own ofcourse!

[@mathiasstaub4093]

@thewynnest aaaah i see, to me constant updates makes things more balanced and fresh and keeps new content open, as soon as I'm done with my 40k army i will deffinetly take a look at star wars legion (to big of a star wars fan)

[@harvinater3]

More stuff for the clones!! Cody needs some backup

[@thewynnest]

Cody does need some backup! Excited to see what they’ll reveal at Adepticon

[@OreosAreSoGood]

Where can I get that tie fighter terrain set?

[@thewynnest]

I asked my buddy on WhatsApp. I’ll let you know when he responds! *I know the tie fighters are just model kits btw!

[@pinch_804]

where did you get the rodian mini for the rebels?

[@thewynnest]

I found it on Etsy a few years ago! I think I search for ‘ Star Wars Alien heads’ or something like that. I clipped off a few generic Rebel troopers heads and replaced them with these.

[@MxIxTxC]

Ok I literally just found out about this and I'm about to sell my 40k suff. Will there be an At-At model coming by chance?

[@thewynnest]

I don't think they'll ever do an AT-AT model. That would be too big I think heheh. But I mean, youre free to do whatever you want. I've seen people play X-Wings in this games, using the T47 Airspeeder cards.

[@clonetf141]

hey man I enjoyed the video, but as a fellow dutchmen I wanna ask where you get your legion models, everywhere I look legion is almost always sold out when I first wanted to give it a go. currently dont think I will pick up a new wargame, more so wanna paint some of my favorites from the setting, but perhaps ill play in the future

[@thewynnest]

Goedemiddag 😁! I bought most of my legion stuff at 'De Spelvogel'! They have plenty of Legion in stock and have some very nice sales going on pretty much every week. They have some cool Star Wars characters for just 15 euro's (like Lando). I think thats your best bet! MiniHobby is basically always sold out.

[@clonetf141]

​@@thewynnestthanks for the reply man! Ik ga eens een kijkje nemen bij de spelvogel!

[@thewynnest]

@@clonetf141 Ze hebben echt goede sales nu ook idd!

[@Peace-duke]

Hello from Russia. Because of the sanctions, our prices are high, but we still get our boxes) I started playing in 2023 and a couple of days ago I witnessed a 64-person tournament in St. Petersburg. It was very cool, I hope I can personally participate in the next one.

[@thewynnest]

Hello from The Netherlands back to you! What are you currently playing? Good to see the community does well over there

[@Peace-duke]

@@thewynnest Star wars legion of course. I'm starting for Shadow Collective. I'm trying to find the optimal roster for tournaments

[@777dragonborn]

I've been in love playing battletech even better I can make my own units with 3d printer and best of all it's cheap all you really need is a map which can be made and a compendium book

[@wingwalker007]

Nice video, I bought the core set and some addition recently. Looking forward to playing at some point soon. Where did you get your card holder? (Edit: I’ve just watched your Mando video and found the answer!)

[@thewynnest]

Glad you found it! What faction did you go for?

[@MartynStanleyAuthor]

Do the rules change and models get droppped and made obsolete? I played 40k in the early 90s, and recently started playing again, but the game seems to change so fast I can't keep up. I wish they'd stop doing this!

[@thewynnest]

Hi! No this game really doesn’t very much. I do feel the game is still in development somehow, but the update pace is quite slow. Nothing like 40K. Models are never obsolete as far as I know. Even when they get ‘worse’, I personally feel that everything is playable.

[@Nwolf5555]

Not a common opinion I guess, but the cheaper mini´s made it possible for more people to get into this (Legion was cheap compared to most other tabletop games).

[@thewynnest]

Yes, I feel that a general feeling in the community. I have some people that I met through this community or my videos and livestream; they didnt find the barrier of entry to be too high. I love Legion for that.

[@LeCapetiens]

yes more star wars legion plz

[@thewynnest]

There will be A LOT more in the upcoming months 🎉

[@scottfordbrewer4380]

Time stamp 0:15 their are Tie Fighter gaming pieces?

[@thewynnest]

Those are Bandai model kits I believe! But the platforms for those are printed by a mate of mine. Check out my latest video on the Naboo Terrain Showcase. You’ll find more there.

[@kaiserwilhelm9743]

I really want to see Thrawn and the night legion

[@thewynnest]

That would be sick!

[@debadwolf9727]

Great video

[@thewynnest]

Thank you 🙏

[@Honkay123]

Although I want to get started, it still bugs me that clones and stormtroopers are as good as the droids and rebels, respectively. I know for the sake of the game they have to be but I would like for it to be more realistic.

[@thewynnest]

Yeah I think balancing a game can be quite hard! But I see what you mean.

[@Ariranhaa]

This is a bummer for me too. It's not so much about balance, it's about cost because a clone mini costs the same amount to be made as a droid mini, so a comparable droid army would actually cost some 3x more than a clone army. Nobody would ever choose to build a droid army that way, haha.

[@superblue1971]

Heard AMG, just changed the rules on Legion. Wonder what’s going to happen next. 😂

[@thewynnest]

They did! I made a first impressions video about it. It’s a bit salty tho 😅

[@hitt8632]

Heel erg tof !!!

[@thewynnest]

Dankje! En welkom 🫡

[@ButchersNailsEnjoyer]

I cant tell you many 40k lists would crumble if firing arcs were a thing 😂

[@SaaWeeWeeRockyStudio]

They're were a thing for 40k before eighth edition.

[@BlueBirdGTV]

Awesome 🎉 But why play Legion as opposed to ShatterPoint

[@thewynnest]

Thank you! Well I started with Legion a while ago and I just love the game system. No need to switch to something else right now. I do want to try Shatterpoint one day tho!

[@SupMamma88]

REPUBLIC COMMANDOOOOOOOOS!!!!!!!!

[@metalblizzard6024]

Sub... legion and bloodbowl content? Awesome

[@thewynnest]

Haha thank you 🙏 I’m still exploring the tabletop hobby space, but yeah those are my main games at the moment. Best systems in my book.

[@JeanDoeShow]

Anderhalf jaar geleden begonnen met 40K, maar altijd met een schuin oog naar SW Legion gekeken. Misschien nadat ik de sprong maar eens waag als ik mijn pile of shame heb afgewerkt. 😛 Zal alleen moeten kijken of er een community in de buurt is die de game ook speelt.

[@thewynnest]

Tof! Wat is in de buurt voor jou?

[@JeanDoeShow]

@@thewynnest Ik woon zelf in Tilburg. Ik vind het niet erg om er een stuk voor te rijden, maar moet natuurlijk niet uit de klauwen lopen. 🙂

[@drnerdrage2535]

Tired of Games Workshop and looking for an alternative. I was blown away at how cheap Legion is to get into. 75 dollars for what seems like a decent sized starter set is really making ne realize just how fucking greedy GW is

[@thewynnest]

You’ll be very happy with one of the Legion starter boxes! It’s enough to check if it is for you. If it is for you, you got yourself a pretty good army to expand upon.

[@WhatsUpGazpacho]

It looks amazing. But it just costs so much money

[@thewynnest]

It does, but if it's something you're interested in and you can split with a friend, it's a very good deal! The miniature's alone are worth it and will take a considerable time to get done. If you're planning to play the game as well, I think the investment is not that bad!

[@Vegan.o.Saurus]

Than lets fkin goooö i buy a army

[@thewynnest]

That’s the spirit 😆

[@justinmeyers5535]

play shatterpoint.

[@raysandrarexxia941]

Because Mass Effect is a dead franchise.

[@thewynnest]

I still have hope hehe

[@spamdump7337]

No you should not.

[@puzzlejinx]

Play literally anything else. Don't give Disney money.

[@thewynnest]

Have to (with respect!) disagree there. If anything, AMG and first FFG (Disney doesn’t produce this game) brought a very accessible and fun wargame to our tables, which I can only applaud. It’s a pity that a megacorp like Disney owns the Star Wars franchise but lets not pretend that this is AMG’s fault. Imagine games workshop owning the rights to Star Wars. I don’t think we’d have the same Legion game as we have now.

[@fuzztsimmers3415]

no because legion is a horribly boring system