Should You SAVE YOURSELF For Marriage? Jubilee Panel Reaction

[@testoftempest]

⏱Timestamps! 0:00 Intro 2:46 Feeling/Felt Ready to Lose It 5:35 Imagine Being God Cucked 7:07 Dubious Consent 10:48 Cringe From The God Chick 15:50 Consent is Easy! JUST ASK 19:26 Being in Clubs 21:32 “C0nsent Means Marriage” 24:59 As3xual 29:22 Vaush’s Typical Friday Night 32:53 Soul F***ing 34:23 “Meaningful” S3x 42:43 Fetishizing The V Card 49:44 The Cycle of Victim Blaming 55:19 Wrapping Up

[@williamcozart8158]

you forgot the "can pre-cum knock someone up" segment, at 37:18

[@KaleidoscopicVideos420]

Can any discord mods help me? I was unjustly banned for saying "whats up family"

[@testoftempest]

@@KaleidoscopicVideos420 I don't run the discord.

[@fluorescentalien5204]

"the left wants you to sign consent sheets" Okay but. I literally was forced to sign an abstinence contract in my highschool freshman health class. it was so gross and invasive, and even at the time I knew it was wrong, but I needed the points.

[@chembabe8264]

Right. It's all about control. Gotta be abstinent so they can rape your virgin body. Sorry for the vulgarity. I hate these people. Because asking someone before and during sex that they want it, is insane...

[@mycenaeangal9312]

Awww I’m sorry. I never signed one, but being coerced for any reason feels so gross. You have my deep sympathies. Did they do that fucking oreo metaphor with you all too?

[@joeleek9976]

That is really fucked up. Sorry you had to deal with that bs.

[@gibsonn2018]

@@mycenaeangal9312 There’s an Oreo metaphor? 😢

[@fluorescentalien5204]

@@mycenaeangal9312 no, whats the oreo metaphor?

[@alahos]

I'm saving myself from marriage

[@pebbles3609]

Ok

[@Alexandervaldes017]

👏💯💯

[@strongbone9471]

Sigma mindset.

[@SA-mo3hq]

B-but how else will you justify spending a year's wage on a Congolese blood diamond?

[@gwelwynn]

@Ooki Cooki the problem is not the dissolution of the family structure, it's the dissolution and destruction of community

[@gibsonn2018]

She really said “Everything happens for a reason.” In response to a girls sexual coercion story wtf I can’t even

[@FelisImpurrator]

She's obviously internalized a literal abusive brainwashing line as a defense mechanism because it was psychologically beaten into her head. Never forget - the ones responsible for this are people like conservative priests and Republicans. People with power who will aggressively push this kind of grift to keep people in a perpetual state of easily controllable existential dread. This is exactly that one scenario where abused prisoners often just sit there and don't leave even if the door is unlocked.

[@madeline5493]

And then later, when that same girl was talking about how hard it was when her mom victim blamed her, Muslim girl was like “AWWW BBY! Come here and give me a hug 🤗✨💞” After you basically told me God got me raped to improve my character arc? Bitch.

[@gibsonn2018]

@@madeline5493 lmao i would impolitely decline

[@Liberater4589]

even if youre someone who believes that when someone tells you something like that just keep it to yourself

[@phanatic215]

@@FelisImpurrator I hope she finds a good dude to marry, because she is ripe for being a victim of an abusive spouse. Even though I don't agree with most of what she said, I don't want her abused or taken advantage of by someone.

[@amyheath6324]

The Muslim girl explaining how she learned that marital rape exists was so depressing

[@prehistoricorchid3455]

lowkey tho, i hope she researches consent more before she finds a husband and just blindly follows what he says.

[@amyheath6324]

@@prehistoricorchid3455 I think she seems to understand it, it’s just sad she learned so late

[@eyangamedud3293]

The funny thing about this is that Norse Pagans had anti-rape laws back in their heyday from what I've heard, probably even marital rape was illegal.

[@lurkingposter]

@@eyangamedud3293 What does the first point have to do with anything? I imagine almost all cultures had anti rape laws.

[@baspersson95]

@@eyangamedud3293 Dude, the vikings had sex slaves, by today's standard I would not consider that as being anti-rape.

[@sukie7689]

“Everything happens for a reason” girl destroyed my faith in humanity

[@ghostedits1365]

Literally, like I believe that everything happens for a reason, but you don't say that out loud like that, there's a time and a place. It's just the fact that, that was her first reaction. It felt dismissive of the girls story

[@puffinatheart5565]

"lmao bro obviously your bad experiences don't matter because everything happens for a reason smh stop complaining, it's annoying"

[@GameCubits]

If it wasn't reality it would've been an IASIP or Ricky Gervais bit. God. Damn.

[@mycenaeangal9312]

Did you see that fucking face she made when the girl tried to push back on that a little? What a disgusting person.

[@bibsp3556]

@@ghostedits1365 There is no reason a child should be born with incurable cancer or some shit, come on. Its a nice sentiment but thats about it. People are usually better off just facing the truth that life is harsh.

[@SA-mo3hq]

What's a virginity? They don't teach us what a virginity is on Coconut Island.

[@natethegreatest1000]

You don’t need to worry about your virginity on coconut island if you want the coconuts 😏

[@gudboah4688]

Does committing oral sex count as loosing virginity though? 🤔

[@js280608]

@@gudboah4688 yes. Allah forbids it

[@ChillAssTurtle]

@@gudboah4688 no.

[@ghastlyghandi4301]

Virginity is what happens before you get your first coconuts.

[@Wokenstein]

Virgin Chad vs Chad Virgin

[@aneraxxmusic2343]

Lnao

[@themightymcb7310]

God, conservative religion ruining overwise supportive and outgoing people makes me so sad. You could tell the girl in yellow truly wants to live her life in the best possible way. It's just a shame that she was lied to about how to do it.

[@gasc0ny]

Everytime she smiles it looks like she’s about to burst into tears

[@sunfeatherX3]

I don’t see how to have sympathy for this person. If someone that close to me physically said I was raped for a reason, her head would be off for a reason. For someone who preaches the personal choice of not having sex, it’s disgusting how easily she steamrolled right over that for someone else. She can wake up any day. Instead of making the other girl gaslight herself in real time.

[@FelisImpurrator]

I've been saying for ages that like, hardcore conservatism is just fundamentally abusive. I mean... If there's a venn diagram with "psychological violence" and "conservative social prescriptions" and "progressive social prescriptions"... Fuck, man. The progressive part has some in the first circle for sure, but the conservative one basically just has this tiny crescent of outer edge that doesn't overlap, because they base almost everything on fear and punishment. It's like a horrible Overton window of trauma.

[@FelisImpurrator]

@@sunfeatherX3 *That's how indoctrination works.* She almost certainly literally doesn't know any better. It's easy for you to judge because you're not in that position, but like... Come on, dude. Vaush is at least as autistic as me (and he'll say so himself any day) and he and I can both tell she's obviously not like, doing the intentionally malicious bad faith Conservative thing. She's a victim of internalized conservative abuse and that line of reasoning is her defense mechanism. I mean, I guess this anger is probably yours, but it's no less irrational in this specific scenario. Now, if this were some deliberately abusive "you're all going to hell" type, sure, fuck 'em. But this isn't.

[@ashwilliams1725]

@@sunfeatherX3 The sympathy there is for the brain washing it takes to get there.

[@ta9ta937]

As a Muslim myself, many Muslims believe tampons can break your virginity, but it was far fetched for me so I decided to try it. Around a year or so ago, I tried on a tampon for the first time but it didn’t go in. Long story short I had to get surgery because my hymen was so thick and my period blood was coming out of a literal dot and it wasn’t normal. Instead of getting the simple surgery and moving on in peace, I was traumatized by my dad’s insistence that I should wait till I get married to get the surgery despite the risks I might face for waiting a few more years. He argued with doctors telling them it was not necessary and told me that no man would want to stay with me because it would “feel” like I’ve had sex before. He seemed more afraid of “tarnishing the family name” over my own health and autonomy. I was 19 then so I was able to get the surgery without needing his consent, and I’ve been doing fine since then. Moral of the story I guess is that virginity is and always has been a tool for men to control women, so of course, it’s gonna end up creating a toxic culture around it. Just let people do whatever they want, and don’t control what others want to do.

[@mackenziegoodwin459]

I am so incredibly sorry that happened to you. Such an example of how much virginity culture is based on misogyny and the idea that women only exist to be controlled objects for men's pleasure. Good for you for taking agency, but you should never have had to go through all that.

[@thesnowmaam3097]

I'm Muslim and tampons aren't haram and don't make you lose your "virginity". I also find that the problem with ultra strict and delusional Muslims, especially those who grew up in Muslim majority countries, is that it's less about God and more about what the family next door would say if they found out. The downfall to our tight knit community (ummah) is that we can be so judgmental towards each other if we aren't perfect. It's so sad, inshallah we can move past that in the future.

[@binkiebrew]

What the fuck. I've never heard about the tampon thing before as muslim. I'm so sorry

[@chegg7660]

Glad we had almost all bases covered for the virgins: The ace, The muslim, and The Gigachad

[@ronsonsmusings3367]

Only thing left is the gamer

[@pokepenguin144]

@@ronsonsmusings3367 vowsh

[@awesomethegreatamazing2651]

The incel

[@andreymontag]

@@awesomethegreatamazing2651 they've got some episodes for themselves

[@andrewjones162]

I forgot Ace was for asexual

[@jacobjohnston3983]

It’s genuinely so baffling to me that some people think being asexual is weird or wrong. Like, a straight man doesn’t feel sexual attraction to other men, why is it so hard to imagine a person who feels that way about everyone? Idk maybe it’s because my best friend is ace but it’s always felt pretty straightforward and reasonable to me.

[@nienkehuijbens301]

I’ve identified as ace for a few months now and i’m still coming to terms with the idea that there’s nothing wrong or weird about it. I haven’t dared tell anyone outside of a very select few people. Not because they’ll reject me or anything, but just because i’m vaguely scared they’ll laugh at me? I hate this narrative and i wish people would speak about it more. I don’t want to feel like my sexuality is a disability.

[@aldenscoconut8785]

@@nienkehuijbens301 I'm proud of you, buddy!

[@WackadoodleMalarkey]

You set out to figure out what goes wrong and if you persist you'll become astonished that anything goes right. _It's very gestalt._

[@whiterunguard1434]

Its because the idea of sexual attraction as so ingrained in our society as a cornerstone or pillar for someones life. Plus most people won't meet an asexual person out in the wild.

[@yan_dj]

"Everything happens for a re"- *flips table over*

[@prehistoricorchid3455]

that personally killed me a bit inside

[@mycenaeangal9312]

God I’m so angry

[@Moszan]

Every time my mom says that, I'm just angrily cursing up a storm inside.

[@eman22017]

I’m saving myself for Alden

[@Water_Worker]

Hello.

[@eman22017]

@@Water_Worker RODRICK????

[@oliviacole7427]

does anyone has aldens number

[@trashrabbit69]

Alden's number is actually their body count

[@WyanoPenna]

Alden's body count

[@beansnrice321]

"I have plenty of political content to release, let me have fun." XD

[@sistercorvus117]

Quality response lol

[@Sethnotasithsr]

I read your comment... AS HE SAID THAT SHIT 😂😂 Perfect

[@PicassoSensei]

I read this as he was saying it lmaoo

[@joshecker6907]

@@Sethnotasithsr I did the same thing lmao

[@alistairecase3405]

I had a friend from back in uni/college that had been raped multiple times by an ex-partner and they still considered themself a virgin so it was quite refreshing to hear Vaush's argument in the same respect.

[@herefortheshrimp1469]

I am so incredibly into the idea that rape =/= sex

[@lauraanderson8785]

I know that this comment is two years old, but I just wanted to say that I wholeheartedly think that if all your previous sexual encounters have been non-consensual, you are still a virgin if you want to call yourself that/if you believe in virginity. My sister was raped at the age of 7 and I find it so cruel that anyone would say that a 7 year old isn't a virgin anymore because a horrible crime was committed against them. Only consensual sex counts in my eyes.

[@hellopeople6138]

@@lauraanderson8785 exactly. I still consider myself a virgin even after bad stuff

[@SpecialBlanket]

I think this is becoming a more prevalent idea. I mean imagine if someone was a CSA victim, no reasonable person would say THAT was losing your virginity.

[@ultimadum7785]

I saw someone in chat say "Plants Vs. Virgins" and it almost killed me because I was laughing so hard lmaooooo

[@rache8323]

Vaush knowing how hard color is to maintain was a breath of fresh air.

[@fardistribution]

my mom did kind of the same thing with me when i was assaulted, i came home crying and she was like "its not that bad" "why did you go to hang out with him" etc. i have no idea why parents do that its prolly something to do with how they are raised obvi

[@fardistribution]

vaush describes it perfectly

[@noceboaffect3187]

That’s awful I am so sorry

[@SpecialBlanket]

Same w me.

[@bascal133]

Ugh the Muslim girl was so self righteous, she like ran to the table every time to lecture everyone. I guarantee you this is a defining characteristic for her and she brings it up when no one else is talking about it.

[@madeline5493]

The worst thing too is that she’s probably going to see all the criticism in the comments and brush it off by saying “I’m getting hate just because I’m Muslim.” Well, yes and no. It’s because you’re a bitch about it.

[@humblesentiments1553]

Funny thing is, under shariah, she would be stoned or beaten to death just for dressing "provocatively".

[@bascal133]

@@humblesentiments1553 I know you are supporting me but to be clear just because she is a stanch Muslim doesn't mean she would be supportive of shariah so that's not a point of hypocrisy necessarily.

[@FernandoTorrera]

Any religious person who stands up for one law while clearly ignoring other religious rules is a hypocrite. However that’s like all religious people I haven’t met or seen one that actually follows all the rules. Just another reason religion is stupid

[@post-scarcitymedia5513]

Damn I sure hope Vaush is paying his editors enough. They are pumping out videos like crazy lol

[@sleepyhead8681]

I'm sure he is he makes quite A bit. He's economically progressive so probably. Avush is pumping out content like mad I love it. :)

[@thesecond4767]

The editors could go on strike if Vaush doesn’t pay them appropriately but then (Vaush) would just hire some desperate freelance editor.

[@kyre4189]

He's providing them the means of production as payment

[@niclaswerther1569]

Vaush once said as a response to why his channel isn't worker owned that his editors set their own paycheck

[@herefortheshrimp1469]

Also, (I'm a professional video editor) Imma be honest with you guys - his editors aren't having to do much editing for these videos. But I love seeing the concern for them!

[@TheToxicDreamland]

That consent part really got to me. I taught my daughter at a young age about consent based around hugs and kisses, letting her know that if she gets unwanted attention she can say no, even to family. One time my mother-in-law tried to get a hug without asking and my daughter laid down the law and I've never been prouder. I feel like instilling that early on will lead to a life where she addresses intimacy on her own terms and I won't have to worry about her, because I was a boy once and boys are fucking stupid.

[@gggggg6817]

are you a trans mom?

[@TheToxicDreamland]

@@gggggg6817 no, I grew to be a slightly less stupid man.

[@gggggg6817]

@@TheToxicDreamland still based. im sure she's proud to have you as a father.

[@TheToxicDreamland]

@@gggggg6817 I appreciate that.

[@4swordsluver]

I was m*lested by my step brother what Vaush said about the boxing vs street fights really resonated with me

[@cortanathelawless1848]

Same. It helps so much with inner peace. Especially when it happens at a really wrong time.

[@jlp6864]

that was a good analogy stay strong

[@4swordsluver]

@@cortanathelawless1848 yes, I was 5 or 6 when it happened and my parents thought I would not remember, but it has stuck with me. Luckily I told my parents what happened because I knew it was wrong. I thought it was a dream until I asked my mom and she told me it was real

[@4swordsluver]

@@jlp6864 Thank you hon, I will 💕

[@user-lr6eq5fj8v]

Time stamp?

[@souper.scooter]

I read it as saving yourself FROM marriage for a second and I was like jubilee based?

[@FelisImpurrator]

True. Although marriage does grant some really fucking useful legal benefits, to be fair.

[@justalostlocal]

They grant advantages because the governments assume you'll be making babies thus the next generations to work themselves to dust. Then again marriage was always about finding a partner to mainly financially support eachother. I always view marriage and it's benefits very cynically because it feels like coercing people into marriages when nowadays it's hard to even find time to date.

[@someonesomeone25]

Marriage is bad. Human relationships are inferior to the alternatives.

[@christophergreen6595]

Not that it will come up at this point in my life, but I can't imagine not sleeping with whoever I was planning to marry. Dated a girl for a few weeks in HS who was against orgasms for herself, (saving them for marriage too lol) but happy to get me off. Nope. Creepy and nope.

[@someonesomeone25]

@@christophergreen6595 Human sex isn't as good as tulpa and doll sex. I imagine sexbots will be even better.

[@theultimateflashgamer3056]

"I got raped" WELL EVERYTHING HAPPENS FOR A REASON!

[@thrandompug2254]

I have an asexual friend who said they would have sex with their boyfriend despite having no real sex drive because they knew he loved it and they didn't hate it. Edit:27:37 yeah this is exactly what I was describing

[@lilpaz4060]

Yeah of course then why be in a relationship?

[@alistairecase3405]

@@lilpaz4060 cause you can be asexual while not also being aromantic. Not so say it doesn't seem weird in my own head either but hey, some people are like that so it is what it is.

[@lilpaz4060]

@@alistairecase3405 Nah just be bi gay or hetro and stop being different.

[@addisonshinedown]

My asexual ex was like this. Like her body would respond and everything (though she herself didn’t draw any actual pleasure from it outside of the pleasure of bringing me pleasure)... other shit went wrong and she turned out to be incredibly emotionally abusive, but I’m positive that’s because she is an asshole, and nothing to do with her being ace

[@Scalesti]

@@lilpaz4060 stop being different? What’s wrong with being different?

[@ChantalRussell]

When I reported a sexual assault, the cop asked me to tell the complete, very long story, twice over, several weeks apart to check for consistency. In between my two retellings, I learned new information by someone who had witnessed part of the assault. In the first telling, I mentioned that I ran past some acquaintances of mine, but in the second telling, one of these acquaintances had told me that when I went into the public bathroom, they didn’t see me leave, so when my pursuer showed up, they told him where I went, and he followed me into the girl’s bathroom. Thank god I’d already left the bathroom when no one was watching, or the whole thing could have become a full-blown rape. Problem is, all the cop heard was an inconsistency. I was a teenager, and when I realized he didn’t believe me anymore, I dropped the issue, because I felt embarrassed. My feelings at the time were, “well, he thinks I lied. This is over now.” I wish he had just asked me why my story had changed. I could have told him that I’d since spoken to someone who was present while I was being chased.

[@Stevies_Precog_Gym_n_Spa420]

I'm so sorry. Pigs shouldn't be left alone with assault victims

[@ChantalRussell]

@@Stevies_Precog_Gym_n_Spa420 Thanks. I worry from time to time that because I didn’t finish pursuing it, and the guy got away with it, he may have done it again to someone else. I feel responsible for that. I did speak to the cop once again afterwards, and his attitude was, “the guy’s parents got him a lawyer, it’s your word against his, so it’s over now. Drop it.” Imagine if he was on trial one day for a sexual assault and I tried to come forward with my own experience (like with the Brett Kavanaugh hearings). People would come for me hard, asking why I didn’t do something about it sooner.

[@devlin4795]

Cops don't understand that as a psychological response to trauma people block out details and hyperfix on other details. The current systems are rigged against victims and it's sick

[@noceboaffect3187]

That’s not even right in the first place. Because even if your story was hypothetically inconsistent, that’s normal after a traumatic experience. Witness testimony can be very unreliable. Even when you can prove that a group of people were at a traumatic event, say a school shooting or attack, they can give contradictory testimony due to being panicked. On top of that people’s memory of an event after two weeks normally gets fuzzy and your brain fills in gaps. What they’re doing is literally just punishing and blaming victims for having normal psychology.

[@GibbyGibson87]

This generally reminds me of how we had a youth pastor teach our sex Ed class in public schools. Because he couldn’t say not to have sex until marriage because of Jesus, he used really outdated studies to tell us that if we had sex it was pretty much guaranteed we were either gonna have a kid or get an sti. Then almost everyone in my grad year who had access to birth control and condoms never had an issue with casual sex their entire time in high school.

[@christophergreen6595]

Awful. I remember when the right took that shit over, during the Bush years. Abstinence-only sex ed and promise rings. I was already graduated, but had friends seeing that crap. Teen pregnancies went up.

[@Moh5Itachi1]

You should've lisent to him. Studies show that the more sexual partners one has before marriage the less happy you'll be in that marriage and divorce will soon follow.

[@ivysaurus267]

@@Moh5Itachi1 just don't marry then? marriage is lame I'll stick to my girlfriend and girlfriend and girlfriend and girlfriend and boyfriend and fuckbuddy

[@tigerbattle]

@@Moh5Itachi1 My source is that I made it the fuck up

[@angelikaskoroszyn8495]

@Moh5Itachi1 From what I've seen the studies showed that lots of underage sex is bad. Duh. Consent matters

[@allekatrase3751]

That Muslim girl explaining how it's just her values... Except it's not her values, it's someone else's values that have been imposed on her and instilled in her to the point she can't separate her identity from them. Religion is so toxic.

[@dinodare1605]

It might help if the term "lose your virginity" didn't tacitly say that you're losing something. There has to be a more neutral language for that. I haven't had sex and don't plan to anytime in the near future because I don't feel ready PERSONALLY. I've never seen anybody who bases it on a moral or religious value do anything other than purity testing and being judgemental. Also, I'm pretty sure in Christianity that type of harsh judgement is a sin. Edit: I'm at the "asexual" portion, and that can give way to one example of what I said before. Conservatives are fine with asexuals from what I've seen because it means that they aren't "sex hungry" and will save themselves presumably until marriage. But I also guarantee that some of those people would turn against them if they didn't want a lot of sex after marriage, especially if they're a woman. I've heard people argue in all sincerity that it's a womans fault if her husband cheats on or breaks up with her if they aren't trying hard enough to be sexy for them. Even if they're having sex, if they aren't also being sexy constantly AROUND THE HOUSE then that's their fault.

[@jessweetman4630]

Regarding the first bit, I saw someone say it should be called “your sexual debut” instead of losing virginity and I much prefer it lol

[@Alias_Anybody]

I mean you can also loose your shackles, weight off your shoulders or a burden in general.

[@dinodare1605]

@@Alias_Anybody But shackles are negative. Virginity is neutral.

[@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan]

@@dinodare1605 Shackles can be positive. Very positive

[@Romanticoutlaw]

I think it's weird to consider a peepis in a hoohah (or any other combination) so significant that it fundamentally changes something about you as a person. At most, to me, it's more like.. using a plate rather than chewing a piece of gum or whatever. You'd have to really do some damage to a plate for it to be altered irreparably.

[@prehistoricorchid3455]

10:19 honestly, I've always considered this for myself and still call myself a virgin, but hearing it from vaush really made me happy ngl. like I hear so many men say "well if monke takes your banana you don't have a banana anymore." but hearing (the apex alpha male) Vaush agree with it and actually provide an example that makes sense and is comparable makes me very very happy :)

[@alistairecase3405]

I had a friend from back in uni/college that also considered themself a virgin as well. I agree with you, it was quite refreshing to hear Vaush's argument to validate this idea.

[@prehistoricorchid3455]

@@Vault-Born oh it truly truly dose. And like it's kinda nice he dosent fully seem to know that cause it just feels so genuine. Like he's not trying to get good boy points he truly ment it and it makes it even more amazing and refreshing tbh

[@mikebiggums1921]

Something about Jubilee being a 2nd channel thing just feels wrong, these are usually the best types of videos

[@Ricklyplinth]

Well that's how you grow the second channel, gotta put some of the popular shit there. I think its also cause its a far less serious segment. Politically and otherwise.

[@bobbobby475]

What's their main channel?

[@cambriakilgannon12]

I kinda cringe at jubilee videos and I don't really know why...

[@marvelousTUD]

@@bobbobby475 OP means that the Jubilee video is being put on Vaush's second channel instead of the main one.

[@bobbobby475]

@@marvelousTUD Thanks I understand now

[@eyangamedud3293]

As a Norse Pagan, the VERY CONSERVATIVE sounding Muslim woman just makes my blood boil. I cannot stress enough that most semi-religious or many religious people think that marital rape is rape. That take from her just made me get a metaphorical high fever in terms of how bad it was. Also, look up OceanKeltoi because he gives good views on what the vast majority of polytheists believe in terms of progressive ideas or at least share some good views.

[@Nyanx4]

_- Comment was auto-deleted, replacing some words to try and make it stick._ I think she was talking about heavily evangelical, conservative religion. I don't agree with her on anything she said, but I literally live in a city with what essentially amounts to a pro marital assault cult, and the ignorance on those matters has only spread. You'd also be surprised at the amount of _secular_ people who don't think marital assault is assault.

[@karlmarx2291]

Chad Odin DESTROYS allah with FACTS and LOGIC

[@ometta7]

Sweet. A Norse pagan who isn't a Nazi. Keep being awesome, friend!

[@dyssonpitcher612]

@@karlmarx2291 10/10 comment. Thank you Karl.

[@karlmarx2291]

@@dyssonpitcher612 No, Thank you, Comrade

[@Deemo202]

"I wanna say I'm sorry that happened to you. But everything happens for a reason-" Me: Bitch what?

[@bray_1617]

holy fuck as soon as the muslim girl said “everything happens for a reason” i lost it

[@sunfeatherX3]

I felt it coming. I hate that it still happened.

[@Nyanx4]

I know idiots think that that's supposed to make people feel better, but it actually makes me want to strangle them. People's ability to prevent themselves from just screeching like a chimpanzee and jumping on them when I've heard that said to me always astounds me, I could barely hold myself back from shouting at some creep who tried to "console" me with that nastiness.

[@smeni9495]

As an ex muslim (from the balkans 🇧🇦) ppl here usually go w the "she deserved it she dressed imodestly bs" christians in this area are the fucking same i dont know why they hate each other

[@callumg3330]

Shane Dawson believed in saving himself until Marriage when he filmed THOSE videos, fun fact

[@Kazoo_man64]

I am fortunate enough to have not a clue what you’re talking about.

[@callumg3330]

@@Kazoo_man64 vaush made a video about it, it’s the most viewed video on his main channel

[@herefortheshrimp1469]

I see you on a lot of other videos I watch and I just want you to know that you're cool and have excellent interests

[@notimestwo]

I’m ace. Me and my friend were gonna hook up and I started crying. But she was so understanding and she didn’t care at all. I’m so thankful it was with someone I was already comfortable with

[@TerribleTrioProductions]

I did sign a consent sheet, but that's only because my partner and I engage in a kink that removes the ability to actively consent, so we establish it beforehand. Likewise, since consent is unable to be intelligently and/or actively and clearly revoked, any perceived sign of hesitancy is to be taken as a revocation of consent.

[@FelisImpurrator]

Based

[@RolaiEckolo]

Yo you guys are too wild for my vanilla ass

[@CPSPD]

You could have a morse code safe word that you can groan out. It’d sound like Pyro from team fortress 2

[@x999uuu1]

How do you define "a period of hesitancy"?

[@prehistoricorchid3455]

@@CPSPD XD Alot of people use the stop light system (green means your good. Yellow is slow down, switch things up, or your reaching a limit. And red is 100% stop, aftercare instantly and possible medical attention) Safe words and having *multiple* are so so important!! especially non verbal or ones you can give while restrained.

[@olivermarijuanajones5041]

Yeah, marrying someone and finding out yr not compatible sexually would be the worst Buyer's Remorse, ever

[@YouWontGuesslt]

I definitely understand having that fear. But I’m sure that it can be avoided if the couple in question has open, honest, and direct communication about things beforehand. Whether they’re waiting until marriage, or just waiting for the right time, communication is key.

[@LukeMcGuireoides]

It takes a lot of experience to realize how good sex can be based on the partner. It takes experience to realize how bad it can be too. Tying sex to ideas of purity is just wrong on every level.

[@_doofiis7420]

That's why you never pre-order at gamestop

[@ronik2526]

Virgins v Virgins is every political debate

[@masterplusmargarita]

"Well, everything happens for a reason" Fuck, I hate religion. Just brainrots good people into thinking and saying the most heinous shit. That single phrase put me back in 2012, when I was obsessed with TJ Kirk and reading The God Delusion.

[@katethegoat7507]

I have the feeling that religious people are so indoctrinated into accepting whatever happens to them (using "whatever, it happened for a reason" as a coping mechanism) that when they use their in-group methods for dealing with negativity they don't even realize it may sound condescending to others

[@phanatic215]

Vaush brought up a good point. She's so devout but she doesn't cover her hair. This isn't on her, it's on the indoctrination she had implanted in her.

[@wehavebiscuits]

@@phanatic215 nah, her personality outside religion is terrible too. You can see the smug condescending attitude and her just being there to push her own views, not interested in hearing the views of others. I don't understand how anyone can watch this video and think that she has any kind of good intent.

[@phanatic215]

@@wehavebiscuits word. I watched it on their KZbin, and she does look down her nose at those people that lost their virginity, especially the girl that went through coerced sex and a sexual assault. It seems that these type of religious people only have fire and brimstone to rely on for their beliefs. My neighbor is a pastor but he's not like this woman in the video. He lives a virtuous life and doesn't look down on people that may be sinners(which he definitely could do with me, because I like my drinking, drugs, sex)

[@weebwarrior9727]

I was spoiled on the “everything happens for a reason” thing by reading comments and it still hit like a fucking train. Taking me back to my reddit atheist teenager days, boutta start talking about religion being the worst thing humans ever invented

[@fotnite_]

I think you mean second worst, because the worst thing invented would be scat porn

[@weebwarrior9727]

@@fotnite_ true, but teenager me did not know about scat porn until after the worst of my reddit atheist days

[@katyungodly]

I mean religion has caused the most deaths. Probably more than scat porn lmao.

[@LukeMcGuireoides]

Religion is still at the top of my list

[@weebwarrior9727]

@Scott Covert first off, you’re right we all still talk about scat porn all the time. Also, you used a double negative my guy

[@markmajor6306]

“Kinda consensual” is a dangerous game these ladies play.

[@sasandbernard7862]

As an ace, “STOP TRYING TO FUCK ME AND GIVE ME MY LUNCH BOX” is incredibly iconic

[@jumbospicybigdad]

Lots of ace people are in polyamarous relationships. They realize "hey i can't fill this need, so my partner needs someone else to fill that need and be happy". Polyamory prooves its basedness yet again.

[@Romanticoutlaw]

👏 there's this unhealthy expectation in western culture that your romantic partner should be able to meet all needs for you, from being your best friend to your therapist to the perfect match in bed, when no one can be all of that for anyone. Polyamory is pog

[@aperson4287]

Polyamory is awesome. I'm not personally into it but if it's your thing that's awesome.

[@jackieAZ]

I’m not a fan of it, but I’m happy for people who practice it

[@dcmarvelcomicfans9458]

Polygamy is disgusting

[@Romanticoutlaw]

@@dcmarvelcomicfans9458 why?

[@bensanford969]

So glad i subscribed to the vaush pit

[@foaarmedforces4175]

Sued it will the post of an an article AmericansAmerican and company the the company in to a a complete and make the company and

[@mycenaeangal9312]

On consent.. get flirty with it. Tease them. If they’re shy make them say exactly what they wanna do with you. Like... If you think it can’t be hot you lack imagination.

[@bibsp3556]

I know, right? takes practise and learning tho to get the confidence I spose.

[@x999uuu1]

I really dont get how its not hot just to say yes tho

[@exspensivehousescom]

Yes tease Them how vaush teased poppy.

[@THRAKORZOD]

You get flirty and then they say that you sexually harassed them

[@Fantallana]

@@THRAKORZOD you sound like a sexual harasser who’s mad about the Me Too movement. :-) don’t sexually harass people.

[@BehindTheMustche]

What about a game show where there’s like 9 male non virgins and 1 virgin and they have to all figure out who the virgin is but PLOT TWIST they’re all virgins

[@pogo8050]

You should email them cause this is genius

[@santiagovarela4109]

It would ens istantly, they would all say they got the virgin out in the first round because they think that if they end it they win

[@AH-vm8yo]

Wasn't there a gameshow like that but they were told all the other guys were gay and they were the secret straight guy even though they were all straight.

[@TheSlipperyNUwUdle]

@@AH-vm8yo I think that was a post floating around tumblr. Lol I unironically want to see that though.

[@TheSlipperyNUwUdle]

@@AH-vm8yo wait, now that I think about it, I think there was a show about figuring out who the gay guy was but it’s lost media now. 🤔

[@msbeccafae]

TW: SA When I filed my police report for my assault I had no idea what I was getting into. I was crying in the ER at like 3 AM and there were three male police officers around me basically interrogating me about what happened when it was hours before. It was honestly horrible and really traumatic. Fortunately, the detective who actually worked on my case was really great and he supported me a lot throughout the process. I was really worried because I'm a trans woman and that never came up or was an issue with the police. However, it required a lot of work on my end. Multiple meetings, having a wire-tapped phone call (where the perpetrator basically admitted that it happened), and more. Then my case got thrown out for "lack of evidence..." Our system is so fucked with these cases.

[@AD-cc7bj]

What country are you in

[@sethdrake7551]

this girl is literally a living example of just how incredibly wrong Pascal's Wager is

[@mattsullins3818]

That was one of the main issues with Pascal’s wager I learned about in a philosophy class. Accepting a religion like that makes you devalue humans because everyone “deserves to be tortured” because of original sin. Accepting something like that could also cause you to miss out on life

[@SindriMjolnir]

@@mattsullins3818 not to mention the bias within the wager, as it already kind of assumes you’ve got the right deity in mind and just ignores the fact that there are thousands of gods within human mythology and that quite a few of them are rather jealous.

[@katyungodly]

Shortly after becoming an atheist, I was still afraid of being wrong and going to hell. When I learned about Pascal's Wager, I instantly lost my fear of hell. It's such a lame argument. 1) there are tons of gods and hells to be wrong about. It presents a false dichotomy of "my God, or no God". In reality it is "one of these infinite number of gods or no god. Good luck picking the right one!" They can't all be right, but they can all be wrong. 2) it assumes that God would accept you pretending to believe in it just to hedge your bets and avoid hell.

[@sianash2]

As someone who was abused as a child, the whole “it happened for reason” logic truly irks me, I’m not for it and I think it’s pretty gross

[@LightGlyphRasengan]

I've realized in the past I've pressured someone into intimacy, and knowing what I know now I'm pretty disgusted with myself. Its never good to be that person, but its good to learn from it if you ever were

[@shan8130]

I was on the receiving end of that kind of dynamic, and about 4 years later I reached out to him and he profusely apologized without me even saying anything. He really showed me that he understood what he did wrong and actively changed. I cannot tell you how much that meant to me. It was wrong what he did, but I also recognize that sometimes you do shit because you actually genuinely don’t realize that what you’re doing is wrong and the grey area of coercion makes the dynamic dicey. So what I want to you say to you is: thank you for owning what you did and not beating around the bush. Even more so, thank you for changing your behavior. It takes a really stand up person to own their shit and change into a better person.

[@LightGlyphRasengan]

@@shan8130 thanks for that, really thanks. I hope you meet someone nice whom treats you with all the respect 😁

[@jalengayfield3915]

I have a lot of the same types shame just from being ignorant I try not to cringe but I chill

[@LightGlyphRasengan]

@@jalengayfield3915 yeah! Be chill 💖

[@fari9422]

IVE GONE TO SCHOOL WITH THE GIRL IN THE YELLOW SUIT FOR FIVE YEARS SHE ACTS LIKE THIS IRL

[@chewychibi03]

Please explain more lol

[@sacrilegioussasquatch]

TELL US MORE PLEASE

[@Gingersnaps_the_pumpkin_kitty]

The Muslim girl seems awful braggy about it, like either it's not just for her religion and its for ego or she's lying about being a virgin and this is her way of making up for that insecurity. Those are the two types of religious people I've seen act like this about sex.

[@jonkick9221]

Religion isn't complicated, it's just dumb 🤷‍♀️

[@cryingcrane8173]

I mean, the mythology and stories can be really complicated, meaningful, thematic and cool! But the moral systems they try to construct are just poopoo.

[@gulfgiggleanimations4472]

Saving yourself for marriage? Nah, I’m on that saving myself FROM marriage, haha wife bad, click book.

[@Occam31]

Imagine thinking a god cares whether you have sex prior to marriage. It’s so silly.

[@alliandrablack7751]

For most Abrahamic religions, god is both a mortally incomprehensible being beyond time and existence itself, but also a tempermental, insecure baby that will rescind its limitless love and affection if you eat the wrong kind of food or wear a skirt that's too short.

[@alhasanmohammed4126]

That's the point of religion people believe that Quran, bible and others are the word of God so they are obligated to follow it Religion is not just spiritual it's a life style

[@colt9836]

@@alliandrablack7751 Ikr lmao. God is both an omnipotent and omniscient being, the Creator of All and the Bringer of the End. BUUUUUT His plans are ruined when boys kiss, when people have sex before marriage, and when women have abortions.

[@noone8785]

"sex is like boxing" float like a butterfly, stings when I pee

[@solexxx8588]

The Muslim girl is not having sex because she wants to prevent her family from disowning her or worse. Sad.

[@macaron3141592653]

to be fair, she never said her family would do that, it was more so pressure from her community, but honestly, In America, you could have sex and no one needs to find out.

[@justsomeguy2825]

Maybe I'm biased as a demisexual person, but I've always seen value in establishing relationships before getting into sexual relationships, because knowing what each other likes overall makes sex better, as do repeated sessions, compared to one night stands with different people. Also reduces spread of disease. That isn't a mean to say that people can't have casual sex if they want to, it should be a free world. But overall, marriage is still an arbitrary concept, so where's the value in saving yourself till then?

[@chembabe8264]

Right saving herself for some dude that will cheat on her because they aren't sexually compatible and her religion forcing her to stay with him and live through martial rape while he is drunk.... yeah i think people should do as these people, but yikes. Being forced one way seems ridiculous.

[@kyre4189]

Jesus

[@dcmarvelcomicfans9458]

It's basically to build an emotional, mental, and psychological connection with someone

[@gaybatgosqueak]

I'm Demi too, but it's good to have sex with a partner before marrying them, irregardless. If you've never had sex you probably don't know what you like with a partner. What if your partner has a really high sex drive and you don't. Then you're married and one partner wants to have sex and you don't, and then your relationship may suffer because of your sexual incompatibility.

[@bobbirdsong6825]

well think about it this way. if you play a game with someone you know well, especially one that's cooperative, it'll probably be better than playing with a rando, but that doesn't mean it can't be fun or valuable with the rando. you might even make a new friend that way :)

[@TheProphessionalGeek]

The people fetishizing taking somebody’s virginity are like the people that comment “FIRST”

[@mothman4672]

“Do you want the cookie”

[@iankellymorris]

As a card-carrying member of the Virgin Lips Club, I can attest to the fact that more conservative language always exists to facilitate purity testing.

[@roobard2700]

22:26 I mean... I have blue hair and I grew up in a tiny conservative town. So you're not really wrong.

[@kristinajones1066]

Brethren!!! I've had blue hair for over 2 years now, which, to be honest lines up almost too well with leaving my hometown and coming out

[@Robin-gq3cj]

i had blue hair up until like two days ago and I was just about to say I came from a big city, but my hair's green now lmao

[@TheSlipperyNUwUdle]

I grew up in a smallish conservative town and I usually have either purple or pink pixie cut hair. Lol I get a lot of compliments though. So I guess we’re not THAT conservative. If anyone doesn’t approve they don’t say it to my face. 🤷‍♀️

[@sayrahjohans3559]

I had so many of my moms bad ideas about sex that when i had sex i had to spend a significant amount of time thinking on how it went down to realize that i did want to have sex and wasn't just doing it "for the positive attention" from the guy.

[@gabriellegoodwin4422]

I hate talking to religious people because of how incapable they are of saying "that's awful, that shouldn't have happened to you, but you're get through it because you're strong" they'll just tell me about how it happens for a reason, god will help me through it, and was it really that bad? we need to be more compassionate to people yes even your abusers no I'm not joking. I'm so tired.

[@SemiIocon]

I wasn't ready for the amount of rape culture in that one. Oof.

[@thierrydubuc9490]

If you partner gets raped, would you accuse them of cheating? Makes no sense.

[@Birthnote]

16:13 Sadly a lot of people think asking during intimate moments are absolute turnoffs. That's horrendous, nothing wrong with asking.

[@justalostlocal]

Because they and the media lack the imagination to make it hot. Asking for consent could be at first embarrassing, but through joking or teasing in a flirty way asking can be hot af and establish a good mood too. Or you know just get good at dirty talks and stuff, although for that it's better to know the person well beforehand.

[@Stevies_Precog_Gym_n_Spa420]

@@justalostlocal it doesn't need to be hot. Hotness is secondary in importance to consent. Consent is vital, even if it ruins the potential for sex. That's what we should be drilling into people's heads. When you integrate things into "play" people take it or leave it. "Play" includes experimenting with boundaries and comfort, joking or teasing, etc, but it also implies creating a space where the amount of permissiveness to someone else's actions are kind of amorphous and in the process of being determined, so it's best to get consent WAY before anything starts. When getting consent is part of the conditions for even beginning play then all is good. Hotness is the afterthought. Eros doesn't trump nomos no matter the circumstances.

[@justalostlocal]

I kinda assumed it's common sense to talk about consent and what you and the other party likes before sex, so my previous comment is exactly about how to communicate clear consent before the play/sex begins. But yeah I agree that consent should be put above anything else. If a person is so easily turned off by the other being considerate even if in an awkward manner, in my opinion that person isn't even worth having such intimate experience with.

[@devlin4795]

Right?? But communication and understanding makes everything better

[@Romanticoutlaw]

to me that just smacks of "if I don't give them an opening to say no, I get to assume it's a yes and get what I want". Makes my skin crawl.

[@WyanoPenna]

I believe in freedom, so if people want to, like me, that's great. If people don't, that's fine too.

[@ThePsychoRenegade]

I think too much power is given to the act of losing it. The concept of virginity just doesn't matter, or shouldn't matter.

[@deechonada]

@@ThePsychoRenegade i think you can say that from your perspective but from a religious person's perspective it definitely could matter

[@draconariusking8328]

“Save yourself for marriage!” I don’t think my hand got the memo! 😂

[@ryanphoenix2460]

0:10 "Is the idea of virginity outdated?" Me: Always has been.

[@Kino_the_Crusty]

tbh i've always taken asexual to be like homo or hetero, a focus on **who** you are attracted to. when i was 21 and still wondering "when do people realize they are straight/gay?" was a p big sign. many either fall into heteroormative roles or like me, was assumed gay until proven straight. everyone assumed i was just hardcore in the closet since i never "admitted" to being gay

[@renaigh]

did Mary save herself for God? then there's your answer.

[@renaigh]

Watch out for God's unwanted advances.

[@mothh7600]

Did God wait till marriage? 🤔

[@renaigh]

@@mothh7600 no

[@bolshevikY2K]

Don't do conservatism, kids.

[@DukeDukeGo]

I read recently that the biological purpose of the hymen is to protect against infections from fecal matter, especially as babies. At that point it's harder and becomes more elastic with age and with puberty when the inner organs grow infection becomes less likely.

[@mackenziegoodwin459]

Interesting! I had never thought about a biological purpose for the hymen, but that makes sense. The concept of "virginity" being dependent on it is incredibly arbitrary, too-- it can break at any time just by doing ordinary things. I knew girls who wouldn't use tampons because they were afraid it would break their hymens and that would mean they weren't virgins anymore! So wild.

[@zotaninoron3548]

Why is the religious prescriptivist Muslim tempting me with her hair?

[@seanhayes1996]

I read the title as "Should You Save Yourself FROM Marriage?" ... Then I laughed because I read it wrong... then I cried because my mis-read hits closer to home than the video's actual title. Point is, the ONLY things marriage is good for are prenuptials, alimony, split assets, divorce lawyers, court cases, split visitation rights and unending amounts of misery.

[@medtle1]

*Nico being worried his parents will see the video is just another example of an Asian child fearing what their Asian parents will say. *Rahan's socially conservative upbringing is likely a combination of growing up Muslim, female, and Asian (South Asian in her case). [Also, very likely she has only been judged for being a virgin by people that are neither Asian, SWANA, nor Muslims and praised for being a virgin by Asians and Muslims.] *It is very telling that the female panelists have a lot more to say about how toxic the concept or virginity and over-valuing virginity are than the male panelists. It just further shows how gendered the concept of virginity is and how much more toxic it is toward women and girls than toward men and boys. This wasn't the worst Jubilee Middle Ground panel, but it wasn't the best either. At least that panel didn't have a bunch of trolls trying to constantly overpower and sealion the reasonable people.

[@meganvincent5381]

Blue haired girl is based. No suprise

[@TW0RAND0MW0RDS]

I've been saving myself for this jubilee segment, ay yo!

[@jo0rd73]

Unfortunately in Ireland we actually do also have a word for someone who hasn’t kissed before: “a fridget”

[@kristinajones1066]

Vaush calling me out with the comment about blue haired girls in tiny conservative towns (22:30) I mean.. not wrong though

[@gordbert]

Jubilee is wet garbage but it makes good reactbait

[@ThePsychoRenegade]

I think they try to get varying views but the people who sign up for these videos aren't the most knowledgeable, well spoken people.

[@Stevies_Precog_Gym_n_Spa420]

@@ThePsychoRenegade and thereby they make the concepts they're discussing useless as a topic for a video, because if you get someone who says "war bad" and someone else says "war good tho" and then it arrives at "we agree to disagree!" have you actually moved the discourse at all or have you just generated clicks.

[@wehavebiscuits]

Yeah I can't believe there wasn't more pushback against the conservative girl. Also, people who attend Jubilee are usually pretty stuck up and overly politically correct

[@ThePsychoRenegade]

@@Stevies_Precog_Gym_n_Spa420 I really think it's more about presenting the various viewpoints then it is about discourse, and it still only sort of accomplishes that.

[@glenagarrett4704]

Agree. Every Jubilee panel I've seen has seemed suspiciously semi-scripted, like someone has to hit this point, this point, this point. No confidence here that their panels are genuine.

[@blackmage1276]

In Canada you're taught about consent in sex ed at grade 9 and ITS MANDATORY! US, ITS NOT THAT HARD! Its very simple, it takes 15 minutes to explain! Its so important

[@moryrie]

ace enby totally feeling the ace person's mood here. :| esp the judged bit

[@CHClNOfullmelt]

I don't have sex because I work 11-12 hours a day, 6 (and a half) days a week and I'm tired of life, how do you call that?

[@chembabe8264]

😂😂 my bf works at least that. He sometimes comes home to a joint and me naked and that usually works 😂 sorry i feel because this is my life and i adore how hard he works

[@gwelwynn]

Prolcel

[@CHClNOfullmelt]

@@chembabe8264 yeah that will do it for sure, keep it up! I get home to a joint and the homeless man living in the ally in front of my house who's sometimes naked. Don't feel bad for your bf anyway, it's not your fault

[@Nyanx4]

Exhausted.

[@marvelousTUD]

The industrial revolution and its consequences.

[@Dilettante15]

Damn, blue hair girl is cool as hell, so many good takes.

[@internetdrifter3856]

This is one of the reasons I like polytheistic religions, their attitude towards things like sex and relationships Are basically “eh, when ever you’re ready” which is a message i think should be taught more often :)

[@colt9836]

Most polytheistic religions have a literal deity of love and romance. So all love, unless it's rape, is blessed under their name. There's a reason why Lady Aphrodite was born an adult.

[@cactuscurator]

@@colt9836 Greek mythology is not the best at healthy sex though, most gods were rapists.

[@blaireofhylia1572]

I was raised to save myself and believed I'd go to hell if I didn't. I also believed I'd go to hell if I hung out with other teenagers doing horrible things like skateboarding and listening to music. I'm now 31, single, and unable to say hi to people. Yay for being pure? Kill me. (Granted I didn't go to church, my relationship with god was in my head exclusively, I'm sure if I cared enough to go to church I would have been a popular cult member with marriageable candidates, but church just sounded sooooo boring.)

[@PascalbigT]

Asexuals are valid, please stop excluding and dismissing their range of wants, proclivities, & relationships

[@nienkehuijbens301]

Based

[@soryaaza7362]

Sometimes it's awful to unravel the mindset behind purity culture. I grew up in a pretty catholic conservative household, I didn't learn about consent up until I was almost turning 18 (I am 18 currently), and I realized so many of the experiences in which I dissociated to forget about my awful experience were sexual assault. I've heard people say that if you were assaulted more than once it's kind of your fault, but I think that's true up until the point that you aren't really taught about consent, so you don't really know what to do when you feel uncomfortable

[@Stevies_Precog_Gym_n_Spa420]

It's never your fault and those people are dead wrong.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

These are the kind of people who say Hubba Bubba unironically

[@Lack_Of_Interest]

And, we know that chads say Hooba Booba.

[@buddingdufus]

I wasn’t aware any one had ever said that ever.

[@Stevies_Precog_Gym_n_Spa420]

Hubba bubba was bubble gum in Australia in the 90s and 00s. That's a lot of people saying those words.

[@jadetortellini6150]

Ive been assaulted, and it is really hard to like fight people on it. Can't speak for everyone but it for sure is a common thing to like self blame, or to feel like maybe you could have prevented it from happening. So on some level, you already feel like "it happened for a reason," no matter how stupid that sounds to you, or whether you know already that thats not the case. So when people say it out loud, its like you just kinda shrug and say I guess 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@Ostnizdasht206]

Marrying someone you've never slept with is one of the dumbest things you can do.

[@CHClNOfullmelt]

For real man, how is it even possible? There has to be some kind of human contact unless you marry someone on the third date

[@wilhelmkreis6578]

@@CHClNOfullmelt I mean that's p much what a bunch of these people do

[@alicedeligny9240]

If you're ace it's different I guess.

[@PhantasmXYZ]

@@CHClNOfullmelt there's arranged marriages of course, but that's it's own can of worms in a whole different culture

[@wilhelmkreis6578]

@@alicedeligny9240 eh, depends on the ace. Regardless, someone lacking interest in sex and openly communicating that to their partner is quite different from two 19 year old Christians getting married after four months so they can fuck Edit: I reread the original comment and realized that the second part of my comment isn't relevant to what you said. Sorry bout that

[@beanieguitarguy4070]

Shoutout to the person in chat that said “he’s so hot” when Chad McLunchbox was on screen for a bit.

[@chembabe8264]

I agree on the Vaush take of save it until marriage. Sexual compatibility is important to me. And that shit is some disgusting patriarchy bs 🤮

[@LiveLoveSour]

This comment is confusing

[@rishabhanand4973]

yeah, i saw a post on reddit about some dude whose friend was a real lazy lover. Like no foreplay or anything, he'd just lube his wife up, stick it in until he climaxes, and then go to sleep, without a care in the world about whether or not she orgasmed. Unsurprisingly, the woman was unsatisfied with her sex life. You definitely don't want to end up married to someone like that.

[@chembabe8264]

@@_DeathDreams_ sorry i meant on vaush's opinion

[@_DeathDreams_]

@@chembabe8264 Oh okay sorry for the confusion

[@jeffc5974]

My daughter thought she was asexual until she realized she was gay. She was the last in the family to figure it out.

[@entertain7us148]

i really do feel bad for people who buy into the 'no sex til marriage' idea. not only does it inevitably lead to objectifying ideas about virginity as this thing that you 'give up' and in doing so, lose a part of yourself, but i have to imagine it would cause a lot of emotional damage. being married doesn't suddenly make you ready for sex, anymore than being unmarried does, and by building up sex as this thing that only belongs in the institution of marriage, you kind of have to view your first time (which is naturally going to be awkward and uncomfortable and probably quite painful) as this thing that you're not allowed to have regrets or doubts over. You're really denying yourself sexual agency or the right to find enjoyment in your sex life if you lock yourself into this scenario where only your husband can provide you sex and it is by definition the only good sex you will ever get because he is your husband.

[@jalengayfield3915]

Ayyye

[@anzaia2164]

I don't understand this notion that the first time is guaranteed to be awful. That's such stupid, self fulfilling prophecy type shit. We should teach people to be attentive and empathetic with each other (especially their partners), good communication and how to voice your needs and boundaries. Yes, it will be awkward, it's a new level of intimacy and vulnerability; but awkward can still be fun. No, it won't be good sex, but it can be a good experience. Maybe it's just another blessing of lesbianism, maybe I'm just built different, but my first sexual experiences were all great. It saddens me that the opposite is so normalized, that we _expect_ it to be bad, we tell young people it is _certain_ to be bad, even when it's a fully enthusiastically consensual thing on all sides.

[@entertain7us148]

@@anzaia2164 it can certainly be great, but for girls, your first experience of hetero sex is more likely than not going to be a little painful, and I think it’s important to prepare people for that reality rather than leave them thinking there’s something wrong with them if their first time isn’t amazing.

[@anzaia2164]

@@entertain7us148 Y'know there is something between amazing and awful. I'm not saying there's something wrong if it hurts. I'm saying there's something wrong if it's awful. People shouldn't expect it to be _awful._

[@entertain7us148]

@@anzaia2164 sure… but I don’t think I ever used that word. I said it might be quite painful, which is just physiologically true.

[@rubykr]

jubilee really missed an opportunity to call the "non-virgins" sex havers.

[@_unrulyhair]

FYI: Benzodiazepines can cause amnesia- that dude who was so high that he didn’t remember could have been barred out.