Should you trade your Challenger R/T 5.7 Hemi for a Scat Pack?

[@reddsshaker3477]

This video nailed it for me. I custom ordered my ‘21 R/T 5.7 Shaker 6spd manual. The car is an absolute blast to drive, and I fully intend to build the engine once the loan has been paid in full. That’s my goal. That said, the 5.7 is such a robust platform if you know how to wrench. Scats aren’t….that 6.4 is already compromised by design….but they’re great for turn-key guys.

[@TrackPackRT]

Truth!

[@ModernRedHemi]

Thanks for the shout out brother! You hit it spot on. The 5.7 can make big power and I’m gonna prove it. Which is better? It’s preference. Age old question. Built vs bought. For those pesky automatics that hit the track, don’t forget an upgraded torque converter. Huge help off the line.

[@TrackPackRT]

Absolutely! Haha had to pick on my automatic friends in this video, they are faster than the m6’s after all, gotta get some ribbing in where I can! 😂

[@ModernRedHemi]

@Spooky V8 I would do it last. Mine stalls at around 3800 and is made by Circle D. Depending on the year of your car, it may limit to what you can get.

[@paulmarclalonde3834]

🙌🏻

[@nyckae8587]

Depends on why you would. If it's from peer pressure in the mopar community, don't. If you want more power and feel like it's not making enough.. you can but the 5.7 is Hella tuning potential compared to the 6.4 to where you could make almost the same amount if not more with potential force induction possible as well. Honestly it depends on preference. I owned both a 5.7 and 6.4 and there are pros and cons to each. The 5.7 sounds AMAZINGLY deeper than a 6.4 but you get way more torque and raw feel with the 6.4. This is a easy fix with just tuning with the proper set up if need be. Completely up to the person. If you can, rent or try a 6.4 and see if you rather a stock upgrade, or make a decision to build a 5.7 up to compete if not do better than a 6.4....there are so many builds and creative things people have dome to cars, it's just up to you.🤝🏽

[@Sak-zo1ui]

Unlimited funds- skip all dodge models and drop a race block. Limited funds 5.7 or 6.4 is a great choice. People no longer know how to mod anymore. Muffler deletes and cai dont count. The 5.7 block is a great block but not the best. The 6.4 block which is based off of the 6.1 block and both are amazing. You would be better off swapping a 6.4-6.1 into a 5.7 model car. Especially if you know how to do the work. Even getting a copart car and swapping the chassis is a great choice.

[@TrackPackRT]

Those 6.1's have forged internals already, good platform to throw some power at!

[@ahwayzcool4630]

I'd go for the 6.1 block over the 6.4. 6.1 block is what the hellcats use. More meat between the cylinders.

[@Sak-zo1ui]

@@ahwayzcool4630 the 6.4 and 6.2 are based off of the 6.1. The 6.2 and 6.1 are almost identical. The 6.4 has an overbore of .040 I believe though. And has the vvt added to the front of the block.

[@ahwayzcool4630]

@@Sak-zo1ui oh ok.

[@Sak-zo1ui]

@MATTHEW575M all pistons reach the same height in the cylinder. The issue with the 6.4 stock is the ring gap is quite tight and to add to it the ring landings for the compression ring is to tight to the head of the piston. The internals are not weak as they are also strong on the 5.7. They are simply not optimized for boost.

[@rustyshaklferd1897]

Donnie r/t talked me out of the cam. My plan is the 6.4 intake headers and a 100 shot of nitrous wet plate system. Probably the rear dif 309 . I like the drivability and gas mileage of the 5.7 with the ability to add 100whp with the push of a button for $700.

[@TrackPackRT]

Nitrous is pretty fun, not going to lie!

[@rustyshaklferd1897]

@@TrackPackRT finally a reply. Help me out if you can. Do I need a tune for it? I also want the 6.4 intake manifold for sure. The headers and dif are a maybe but lower on the list. I’m having trouble finding responses to my comments, so I really appreciate any help. Just subscribed to your channel. Big thanks.

[@TrackPackRT]

@@rustyshaklferd1897 Most of the things on your list will need a tune. The 392 intake? Definitely, plus you need to get your RPM switch working right to switch between long/short runners to take advantage of it. Nitrous, absolute must. Trying to do nitrous without a tune would be really scary. Especially with a wet plate system, you need to get the AF ratio dialed in when you're spraying.

[@rustyshaklferd1897]

@@TrackPackRT thank you much. Do you recommend email type tunes or actually taking it to a tuner? I don’t know of any tuners in my are that specialize in hemis. There must be some, but I don’t even know how to find them. A google search really wasn’t helpful. Thanks again.

[@jwhite0074]

Lol as a scatpack owner I just love pulling up to a 5.7 and bullying them into submission. Then a hellcat pulls next to me giving me a bit of humble pie 🤣😂. From the 5.7, 6.4 and 6.2 mopars are just fun cars. Can't wait to twin turbo my scatpack

[@TrackPackRT]

Great time to own a mopar!

[@d.boysaw]

I stay racing scats, just good fun every time

[@jwhite0074]

@@d.boysaw always

[@michelflesner531]

I really like what you are doing with your car. I just bought a 2019 challenger TA in f-8 green. It has almost every option. $12,400 off of the sticker. I am driving it until the weather gets bad here in Illinois. I have the 3.09 gears and mopar cold air intake.Keep up the great content.

[@TrackPackRT]

Thanks man! Sounds like you got a bad ass ride there!

[@marcusosuch7133]

Just got my 2018 5.7 shaker manual and I was looking for a little bit more horse and you pretty much helped

[@TrackPackRT]

You won’t be disappointed! I’m still happy with how my car pulls with the mods!

[@slipknotron1626]

Cam, tune, longtubes, and supercharger lol. Oohh that hellcat wine 🤤🤤🤤

[@TrackPackRT]

Love that whine! A whipple is probably the blower with the most pronounced whine, even putting a factory hellcat blower on a 5.7 doesn't make a ton of sound because you have to restrict the boost levels to about 6 or 7 when usually they run at 15 in the hellcats. With a combo like you're talking about you'd be throwing down a good 550hp to the wheels at least. More than enough to have some fun with I'd say!

[@thegundon6.2]

I drive an rt charger and this is the video I have been looking for

[@TrackPackRT]

Glad it helped man!

[@sheldondinkleberg6525]

Love this video, where i live there are so many teenagers with daddy bought 392s, 6.0 mustangs, and SS Comeros. Like we get it Tanner, 392s are easy as hell to get when your dad is paying your payments.

[@TrackPackRT]

😂 It’s true, I don’t get how a lot of these guys/gals pay for their cars, especially the Hellcats. You’ve got kids still going to college/university driving a $70k car around you don’t have to be great at math to know a part time job isn’t going to pay for that. The 5.7s respond well to mods, and above just timeslips and races against the other V8s out there, above all else a modified 5.7 is just a really fun car to drive!

[@ghostchicken69]

I'll pick a redeye engine someday. I heard a tons of people can't handle the power properly and end crashing into a block of cotton. If my budget goes like a redeye or hellcat. I think it make more sense for me to get a porche lol

[@TrackPackRT]

Redeyes are crazy to drive! Hard to keep it under control anywhere, just too much power even for a widebody. They sure are fun though!

[@FranksGarageOfficial]

I use to best srt cars in my rt magnum all the time. When I got my srt magnum later I understood why. With the right mods and driver any hemi can do great numbers

[@TrackPackRT]

If you can get those power numbers close it's a drivers race from there.

[@FranksGarageOfficial]

@@TrackPackRT exactly bro. I liked my rt but after having both I respected it a lot more

[@kjonezey43]

2010 RT. 6 speed Dyno 375 / 401 with jus exhaust cold air intake & Tune. I’m stopping there until I can Supercharge it in the future..maybe. Great Vid

[@TrackPackRT]

haha I know for me it's the Magnusons...so tempting....

[@kjonezey43]

@@TrackPackRT Yeah. I feel it’s only so much you should do ..don’t waste a lot of money on small gains. Do a few things then it’s big boy or bust

[@Kuhladestkyicky]

Have a Maggie sitting in the garage waiting till Spring. 6k including tax from Steve White Motors. Some kinda Black Friday thing. They have one left at $6100+ tax.

[@drjbober]

Love the channel-great advice and breakdown.

[@TrackPackRT]

🙏🏻

[@aaronmichael4599]

Great video! Looking to buy an RT and this was very helpful! Thank you, keep it up!

[@TrackPackRT]

Nice, good luck in your search!

[@aaronmichael4599]

@@TrackPackRT I am now the VERY proud owner of a 2012 Charger R/T!

[@TrackPackRT]

@@aaronmichael4599 congrats man, that's awesome! Enjoy it!

[@SB-mw1bg]

Good info Track Pack R/T. Thanks

[@HemiBurns]

Yes....Get the Scat Pack and keep your warranty

[@TrackPackRT]

Really can't go wrong either way.

[@onlyoneromeo]

Trading in at dealership will save you on taxes if you're also buying your scat pack thru them.

[@jeffreynye3019]

If I put a 305 li.ited slip in my 2020 RT auto, will there be any computer, speedo , engine light problems/issues? I'm a decent wrench, can I probably do the swap myself?

[@chucknostaw2819]

Thanks. Great info.

[@MaddJakd]

Sadly there will always be the jaded folk with blinders on who believe 'if you want a faster car, just get the faster car hurdur!" Even ran across some that legit think the manufacturer knows best, when the mod culture has found many examples that prove otherwise! Some people are just bland and are incapable of having fun, nor getting it. To hell with them! Between "This is what I got, and I wanna see what it can really do" to "mod is life" ftw 🤘

[@TrackPackRT]

Very true, especially a car like the Challenger that has so much potential to be even more special.

[@shaunjay6040]

Yeah I agree. A lot of people don’t know the capabilities of the 5.7, and I think what they fail to realize the 5.7 and 6.4 share the same block, minus some mods of course.

[@TrackPackRT]

It takes mods very well for sure!

[@shaunjay6040]

@@TrackPackRT Have you checked out Eric Holdener’s channel? He’s produced substantial power with affordable Mods on the stock bottom end and pistons. If you haven’t I’d highly recommend him. He knows his stuff for sure!

[@TrackPackRT]

@@shaunjay6040 you mean Richard Holdner? Yea I was stoked he finally took a break from LS stuff and did some Hemis there recently, he’s a smart guy and puts our great stuff! I love seeing the results of experiments guys like him and engine masters do!

[@jordancameron2482]

Great video. I have a GT AWD. I want to get a 5.7 TA package in Go Mango one day. I don't race, I just love the car, and it is as close to my dads challenger he had growing up as I can get. I just wish they made the 5.7 with AWD too for shitty Alberta winters for the extra piece of mind.

[@TrackPackRT]

Haha I hear that man! The 5.7 gets you that great Hemi sound. As I type this I'm looking at the snow we got overnight on my deck, it would be a nightmare to take my car on! That GT is probably a blast to drive in the snow!

[@terrymitchell4579]

They have a 2014 R/T with AWD but it dont have the 8 speed transmission

[@jordancameron2482]

@@terrymitchell4579 I thought it was just the Chargers that had the 5.7 with AWD

[@terrymitchell4579]

@@jordancameron2482 yeah you right its just chargers

[@jordancameron2482]

@@TrackPackRT oh yeah! Even with awd I can still drift it, and with sport mode and slapstick i can spin the tires and move. I am actually really surprised at how fast it is. Yeah, it's not fast like an RT or anything with a v8, but it still moves!

[@roberthalstead2065]

What size tires are you running on your challenger I have a manual too I love the manuals

[@TrackPackRT]

The manuals are so much fun! I threw on a set of nitto 555R's in a 275 on. They grab amazingly well.

[@roberthalstead2065]

@@TrackPackRT I just bought a 2014 or T how do you orange six speed I live in Maryland thanks for the info enjoy the rest of the holidays and hopefully 2021 will be a lot better

[@roberthalstead2065]

@@TrackPackRT RT Huggy orange color

[@JayHavock491]

What do you think about the 410 Hemi Stroker kit?

[@TrackPackRT]

I haven’t even seen it to be honest!

[@iCXRUX]

Damn... $20k? Yours is an '09 right? Enblem on the hood... Man, I need to move to Canada. I have a '13 with paddles and the super track pack

[@captainboose8788]

Keep CAD/USD in mind

[@iCXRUX]

@@captainboose8788 true. That's still pretty good value

[@TrackPackRT]

Also I have really low KMs on it because it's been parked 6 months of the year since 09. It was last year when a stealership offered me 20k on a trade to try and get me into a Hellcat....it was really freaking tempting...until I looked at the monthly payment which was higher than my mortgage payment haha.

[@iCXRUX]

@@TrackPackRT I can imagine. I traded my '13 370z straight across for the Challenger. Earnhardt dealerships are awesome here in the states

[@Ray-ys4gw]

Yes without even watching the video

[@TrackPackRT]

LOL. Good in some scenarios, way more money in others.

[@jeffreynye3019]

Great video and info. I think You're fucking up the figures and getting confused trading up on a new vs used scatpak. When you buy a used one, it's not going to depreciat 3 to 5k as soon as you leave the lot as you would a new one. Unless they seen ya comming and fucked ya. Sooooo, the +1$12k option on a used one doesn't go to $17k. That's pretty big with this mere mortal also.

[@TrackPackRT]

I just used real world numbers from what was available in my area for used 392s and compared that to what stealerships had offered me on my car to trade to a Hellcat. I wanted to stick with actual numbers and not hypotheticals in this scenario. Keep in mind I’m in Canada also, the prices are higher here across the board.

[@caloFi]

i think we all just want a hellcat

[@TrackPackRT]

Amen! I took one for a drive at a local dealership, it was really hard to convince myself not to get it and that it was a bad idea to take a car payment that big. They are pretty amazing!

[@Chestnut1998]

Same

[@YusefAlim33]

Pretty much

[@steelzepplin2012]

Well said, modding my RT as well, nothing like cheaper insurance and a sleeper, plus the experience of building is the beauty of the hobby. Love your channel, keep it up!

[@TrackPackRT]

It really does make you feel connected to your car. Thanks man!

[@HellsHemi]

Modding is like Lego fans putting a project together. It’s a hobby.. it’s not just about buying your HP ready to go. Build it and get to feel it.

[@DonnySRT]

Finally got to sit down and watch this. I appreciate the shout out! You've definitely done your research

[@TrackPackRT]

Cheers Donny!

[@landoninahellcat8745]

Good video man! Both are great options, at the end of the day, I feel like it comes down to what a person can afford and if it makes them happy. I owned a 2010 RT with a cam and had a blast till it was time to move onto the scat, now I'm looking into a new Hellcat. We never quit chasing horsepower, keep working hard on the channel 👍

[@TrackPackRT]

Man you got that right! Enjoy that Hellcat they're awesome! Cheers!

[@landoninahellcat8745]

@@TrackPackRT thank you sir!👍

[@moparfam300c]

11:16 Every Engine Mod for the 5.7L HEMI V8 all applies to Dodge Ram, Dodge Durango, Dodge Magnum, Chrysler 300, Jeep Grand Cherokee, Jeep Commander, Dodge Charger, Chrysler Aspen, and Dodge Challenger 5.7L HEMI V8 Models

[@andershilbert8913]

Honestly the Best video I have seen for those looking for more power in the 5.7, you have an overal summary in this video!!

[@TrackPackRT]

Much appreciated man, thank you!

[@hostilehemi9740]

It honestly does not take much to wake up a 5.7 to be on par with a ScatPack. Most built 5.7 guys already know this.....I love the 392...I do...but the money I save on payments and insurance alone....

[@TrackPackRT]

Insurance is a factor some guys over look for sure.

[@732Mopars]

If u want 350whp, get 5.7. if you want 450whp, get a 392. if you want 550whp, get a 5.7 with a blower. If you want 650+ get a hellcat. For about $6-6.5k my 5.7s running ~550whp on a conservative 93 tune

[@captainboose8788]

400-420 whp from the 392s typically

[@732Mopars]

@@captainboose8788 nah ik, I just rounded to numbers between a modded and stock for all of them. 5.7s are also 330-340 stock and 350-400 N/A. May make more sense like this, 300-400whp=5.7 400-500whp=6.4 500-600whp=boosted 5.7 600+ hellcat

[@TrackPackRT]

I had a whole other section of the video for forced induction options, but it was already getting super long, decided maybe I'd make a part 2 on that.

[@terrymitchell4579]

@@captainboose8788 yup those the exact numbers on the dyno...they be getting people with that 485 🤣

[@captainboose8788]

@@terrymitchell4579 I mean, factory is rated at Crank+ full accessories, and that is how any brand does it

[@jcampanelli90]

If you can't change your own oil you have no room to talk shit about anyone's car or trim lvl.

[@TrackPackRT]

Truth!

[@MarkipaineReacts]

mod the 5.7 and keep the lower rate when paying for insurance I do believe people forget about insurance when talking about a two engine difference

[@bighomie95873]

I bought my 2018 R/T for 22k. I was not about to pass that deal up. I love modding it and anxious for my Stage 2 HRT cam to get here. Planning on a baby within a year or two, so I can find a used SRT Jeep GC for the family. That way, we can have the best of both worlds.

[@TrackPackRT]

That's a great plan!

[@crlotero]

I am paying off my rt , giving it to my son and getting a scat pack as opposed to letting a dealer rob me.

[@TrackPackRT]

Smart man!

[@DukeSixTwo]

Smart , i rushed and traded my challenger 5.7 that i had for 6 months back in and got a 2019 charger scat pack. You can already guess how much they screwed me over

[@crlotero]

@@DukeSixTwo I'm pushing 50yrs old, life has taught me. I would rather give a car away than have a dealer abuse me. We live and learn.

[@TrackPackRT]

@@DukeSixTwo negative equity is a bitch man. But Scat Packs are wicked so worst case you broke even? Haha

[@DukeSixTwo]

@@TrackPackRT ehh, im 19 but my fad has excellent credit. My parents swore they would never co sign because they didnt think i could handle a payment, after years i finally got them to co sign on the challenger, me being me , i wanted something a little quicker and after seeing that i was maintaining payments i asked about the charger, surprisingly they said the same about the challenger. If you can pay for it we’ll do it. Payments went from $465/month to 726/month and im paying 4k loss from the challenger plus interest im paying 59k for a scat pack ..... so let that sink in. It is a certified pre owned but still. Thats hellcat money

[@barroncrist5779]

I traded in my 2013 Challenger R/T for a 2016 Scat Pack. It was expensive but the difference in performance was worth it. The Scat Pack has 115 horsepower more than the regular R/T. My only gripe with the Scat Pack were the skinny 245 tires. Why Dodge would put these tires on a car with 475 pound feet of torque is a mystery.

[@StuntmanDanHemi]

Great video, I also am a manual purist lol. When I was looking for my Challenger it took me forever to find one around my budget and with a manual transmission, I actually could've afford a Scatpack but I was not finding any manual Scats at all, so I opted for a 2013 manual RT. I personally do care more about the transmission and old school drive experience, than how much power it packs. Don't get me wrong I would love to have a Demon and take it to the track to rip it like the lord intended, but my budget ain't all that lol. Honestly no regrets, just the sound of that straight piped og stock 5.7 smacks fear into people lol, it actually legitmately sounds better than all the 2015 gen trims, people constantly ask me if it's a Hellcat just by the sound of it, some people don't even ask, they straight up tell me "nice Hellcat" 😂 and with all the aesthetic mods I've done to her it makes for scary car, dudes respect her, girls don't wana get close to her and cops pull her over 1-2 a month, yup I made the right decision with that 5.7 lol and if I ever wana make her faster, oh yes I can build some serious power in her lol Also, that yellow Challenger on the clip is actually a Demon

[@Changed2024]

I did just that and traded my 345 to 392😂

[@TRAUMAGAMINGINC]

Did you pay it off? Then trade it in?

[@Changed2024]

Manny Tatakamotonga only had less than 5,000 to pay off but ofc couldn’t wait and traded in :/

[@TRAUMAGAMINGINC]

@@Changed2024 if you don’t mind me asking did they add the 5000 left towards the 392?

[@Changed2024]

Manny Tatakamotonga I did a personal loan through my bank in which they pay themselves off and correct they just added that amount to what I financed with the scat👍

[@jameslong9564]

Just found your channel. Like the content. I have a 2021 Challenger R/T Shaker in Go Mango with a rear seat delete on order.

[@TrackPackRT]

It’ll be a beauty car, you’ll love it! Welcome to the channel!

[@brandonUwanawich954]

Me and a Cammed Lt intake E85 tuned R/t raced I had him By couple cars

[@waltercox2207]

Ok i know these motors like the back of my hand! All these blocks are the same they all handle 700 hp easy!! The blocks are all the same i like the 6.1 and build up from that engine! 6.1 and twin turbo it! Or just change the piston rings on the 5.7 the cam the lifters and springs and thats all you need to do!!! All the 5.7 are the base blocks they all are 4 bolt/6bolt main!! The 5.7 is the base!! Go from there and the sky the limit! Also delete the mds system! I had a 2008 srt8 and it still was the same transmission as the 5.7 rear end shocks and springs all the same! 1/4 mile racing is wayyyy different these hemi are city highway cars they made for tracks not straight away 1/4 miles!! How do the hell cat do on the track against the vette or porsche we comparing 1/4th mile times that dont mean anything people!! But anyhow the 5.7 hemi blocks are what the base block is on all and i repeat all the engines!! Research and go from there they all are perfect balance and all that matters!! Camshaft lifters springs and valves upgrade on the 5.7 and you got a monster!!

[@danguskhan4460]

NO do not get the scatpack. You will be angry that every import with a 4 cylinder BMW is gapping you. Just save up the extra 20k and get the Hellcat.

[@richardwilliams2248]

Hav a 5.7 6spd manual 3.90 gears shorty headers cat delete running 3inch exhaust no resonators jus slp where mid muffler I feel like I dnt nd longtubes wat u thnk

[@vulcanman64]

I’ll never understand why people always talk about getting a scatpack when they should just get a used srt 392. They are most definitely available.

[@hemi_hearted]

Loved the video man. A lot of good in depth info. People sadly tend underestimate what you can get out of a 5.7. Even just throwing some boost at a 5.7 will get you up to and past 6.4 territory. For a lot less money. Throw a cam in there too and now you are having more fun than the 6.4s in something that you had fun building for less cash. All while enjoying the element of surprise and still only paying rt insurance rates. Great video man 👍

[@TrackPackRT]

You’re absolutely right, the 5.7 has lots of potential!

[@augustdrums1247]

A cam install has to cost more than what is listed here. I have priced cam packages and they were upwards of 6-7k doing it right. plus changing the rear and gears, I would much rather have a new Scat with a full warranty and long tubes.

[@TrackPackRT]

I mean I did mine for around $1700-1800 all in. But that’s me doing it in my garage. If you’re taking it to a shop it’s going to be substantially more. I spent maybe a touch over 3 grand and a couple evenings and weekends working on my car to get fast enough to beat my first Scatpack. I wouldn’t trade that for anything. Everyone’s situation and priorities are different. I love the 6.4 too, you can’t lose with either.

[@mcpb8000]

Excellent video, as always. I’d like to suggest the Barton short throw for the manual Challengers. They’ll run you $500 bucks and install will take about an hour (45 minutes if you don’t have to make an emergency autozone run for a missing socket) I cannot emphasize enough how amazing this shifter is. All the shifts are super tight, super notchy, 2nd-3rd is guaranteed every time. I love this shifter. Best short throw shifter I’ve ever had in any car. Period.

[@TrackPackRT]

Man, get out of my head! I've been looking at one for awhile now, just haven't pulled the trigger!

[@mcpb8000]

Track Pack R/T Do it! I wanted a Hurst so badly. I wanted it for the nostalgia, and it was a good shifter, but the Barton is just on a different level. Happy holidays!

[@TrackPackRT]

@@mcpb8000 you as well!

[@Theycallmekenney]

I bought an RT 100th anniversary....Im not really trying to street race at all I have too many responsibilities to be that silly. I'll trade it in for a scat maybe next year or the year after but this car is great!! the interior is really nice, it has the super track pack, flat bottom steering wheel etc...im good with what I have I dont need to get into a dick pulling contest about a car and dudes online that I dont know.....plus most of these dudes cant even afford a car period let alone a 70k hellcat.

[@mrbane8721]

Started from the 5.7 11 years ago. Worked up to the 392, then Jeep SRT, then HC Challenger M6, then Trackhawk. Now I have Hellcat Durango and Challenger hellcat A8.

[@jamesjunod4933]

Do you know what 9090110001 and 53021608DD numbers engraved on 2009 5.7 heads mean.

[@TrackPackRT]

I can't say that I do. I can't say I was overly paying attention to numbers on the heads when I had them off either.

[@732Mopars]

The number ending in DD is the cast #

[@ziroff1878]

Why they don’t think its yes it cost money to make rt fast like a hellcat. yes it cost a lot but you will still have the same insurance also the part on a scatpack or hellcats are ridiculous price. You can do so much to an rt than you can’t do on scatpack

[@fas9667]

i have an 09 R/T 6spd with a 392 rear diff, i went with 18" rims (1.5" smaller diameter then 20") i put a mopar 6.4L srt cam in it with custom tune by johan (tune was easy with my wide band o2 sensor dialed in at 12.5 AFR in all rpm bands) mopar performance valve springs and that was it kept all the same valve tran parts .keeping vvt fully operational . bbk shorty headers ,with a nice custom cat back system. fastman 82mm TB, fully insulated 4"custom CAI breathing below engine bay. 180 deg stat twin catch cans, my 0-60 times are between 3.9-4.1 on a cool night with a good hook up. did all this work myself .cam was very cheap.no dyno yet but im guessing i gained about 65-80 Ghp . i can easily stay with a scat and sometimes nudge them a bit . btw my engine has 100k on it when i did all this , reason my oil pressure is at 45 psi AT IDLE on a hot day engine warm and 50 on a cold day engine warm. Pennzoil ultra syn (0w40) so engine is tight. one more thing i did a complete rear cradle bushing kit ,the wheel hop was out of control but that fixed it rear is tight and stays planted now . nice video enjoy watching .

[@TrackPackRT]

Sounds a lot like my build! Doesn’t take much to make the 5.7 really rip!

[@fishsquishguy1833]

Great video and personally am a fan of “playing the hand you’re dealt” especially if you like your car and it’s payed off. Can always piecemeal the brake and suspension upgrades as time and budget allow. One thing I learned when I was younger is if a better time slip is what your chasing, before throwing parts at it, get as much seat time learning how to launch and shift. Local tracks are usually inexpensive on Street Nights and time spent learning to wring the most out of your car is time well spent. Meet a lot of knowledgeable people in the pits and many are happy to share advice and tips no matter what brand they drive.

[@ziroff1878]

Stay positive scatpack owners are always think they are the biggest dudes not even hellcat owners are like that.

[@chapowiththesticks]

rt want scat pack power scat pack going for hellcat power....mod and do what makes you happy 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@TrackPackRT]

Very true man, it seems like everyone wants more when you think about it we really have bad ass rides already!

[@chapowiththesticks]

@@TrackPackRT ikr

[@TwinDadfromChicago]

This video is gold, great content and i like the footage in between of you racing that 392. You gained a subscriber .

[@TrackPackRT]

Appreciate it man, cheers!

[@waterbox_box_joe]

My gen 3 5.7 with full bolts gets over 400 plus hp to the wheels the and over 500 to the crank and it runs with the 6.4’s

[@TrackPackRT]

Hell yea man!

[@waterbox_box_joe]

@@TrackPackRT I don’t know why guys fake on the 5.7’s the respond to mods very well and are fun to drive 💪🏾🔥💯

[@terrymitchell4579]

Exactly bro

[@Back_door_bandit_98]

You started this video off wrong buddy by saying trading your car in at the dealership is wrong and they won't give you what it's worth if that dealership wants to make that sale they will take your trade in at whatever price it takes as long as it's a decently maintained vehicle I had a 2015 1500 silverado traded it in for a honda accord touring 2.0T and the dealership I went to completely paid my truck off to make the sale it's all about how valuable of a customer you are and of course what your bringing to the trade in table. Also I was looking at chargers before I got my touring and scat packs start brand new at 44k that's building it online and getting it shipped to the dealer and used scat packs that have around 20 30k miles they go for around 30 to 36k in price so I honestly don't understand where you got your pricing from.

[@TrackPackRT]

I’m in Canada. Everything is more expensive here. You’d have a hard time getting an R/T new for under 44k here. That’s why I said I have to use my car market as the example because it’s hard to be accurate trying to talk about somewhere I don’t live. Although stuff is more expensive up here the price differences between the 2 trim levels is pretty much the same in the US, so the comparison still works, our prices are just 10k more expensive. About the dealership taking a loss to make a sale I have to say I don’t buy it. I’m not saying you’re not being honest I’m just saying dealerships have to make money and they won’t take a loss out of the goodness of their hearts just to help someone get a good deal on a car and it would be unwise to walk into a dealership thinking that’s how it’s going to work out.

[@michaelcirella1096]

Anywhere in East Tennessee that would put scat pack 2&3 in my 2016 rt shaker plus? My car has 30,000 miles plum crazy ceramic coated and is awesome. So do mods or buy scat pack? Love my car just give it balls?

[@TrackPackRT]

That is the golden question. Always good to have a good plan first. Price everything, weigh the pros and cons and make a decision. Prices for used cars have gone nuts since I made this video, so it's always a variable that will have to be accounted for.

[@DukeSixTwo]

I traded my 2016 challenger 5.7 in for a 2019 charger scat pack and let me say i love both cars , but the scat packs was definitely a better choice for me in the long run!

[@TrackPackRT]

The Scats are great, they are a blast to drive!

[@briantaylor314]

The added mark up on a scat is crazy. I bought a used 5.7 challenger with 6 speed for 30k with 10,000 miles on it. A scat same year with same miles was 15 k more. Buy the 5.7 keep it forever and mod it atleast that what im doing . I can live without the bee on the fender.

[@TrackPackRT]

Yep, it’s only gotten worse recently. I was grabbing some parts at a dealership yesterday and the sales guy was showing me a mopar edition widebody 392. They were asking 90,000 for it. I just shook my head and said “well I guess they’re making your job difficult!”

[@donjuan5212]

I have 2022 rt hemi and it hangs with the scat and gts.just split second behind with out no mods

[@briantaylor252]

Not all manual V8 cars have 3.90 gears.....3.90s are optional with a handling package....3.70 is standard

[@TrackPackRT]

I believe 3.90s were standard with any 20” wheel. With 18s you got 3.70 as the base I believe. Good call.

[@benniebenson5786]

Serious Answers Only Please "Is It A Waste of Time To Try and Make A Durango RT Fast"

[@TrackPackRT]

I think the better question to answer first is how fast do you want to go and start looking at the path you need to take from there.

[@STORMRIDER_OIF_06-07]

Traded my 20 Charger RT for 20 Challenger RT Scat. To the dealer. I got 8000 more than my payoff on the Charger.

[@TrackPackRT]

Man the car market today is really bonkers. I hear in the states a lot of dealers are marking up the new cars like crazy too.

[@Tzhou23]

Trade in for a scat pack keep it stock save money one day you can get a hellcat

[@ahwayzcool4630]

I have a clean, stock looking fully built 2006 sti making 530whp on e85. Gonna sell it privately and put the money towards a scatpack.

[@TrackPackRT]

Nice! Yea do it before that thing blows up, that's a ton of power for that engine, I've heard it's pretty common for them to get explody if you push them too far.

[@ahwayzcool4630]

@@TrackPackRT Yea I already blew one up some years ago. Had P&L motorsport build the second one for me and its been pretty solid till this day, but that's prolly because I decided not to drag race it anymore. Bought a house and didn't wanna risk breaking anything on the car because I knew I wouldn't have the extra $$ to repair it again. Lol. So I've just been enjoying driving it on the street sometimes, keeping it clean and garaged most of the time.

[@ahwayzcool4630]

@@TrackPackRT plus I just made 50 years old. I just need a bigger roomier car. Sti feels like I'm driving a go kart at my age. Lol

[@jeremiahyoung138]

The answer is yes I recently upgraded and have know regrets

[@krayzie281]

Fuck the 5.7 buy the scatpack or just get a 5.0 lol

[@AlexD-fq5zm]

I question whether or not the guy that tuned my car did a good job or bad job 2010 Dodge charger 5.7 95,000 miles on it fully redid the heads of springs lifters push rods Texas stage 2 cam long tube headers full 3 in exhaust 368 horsepower 370 torque to the wheels I thought it was low it is on a mustang Dino

[@adriansims3184]

I have a 2018 rt super charge. Scat killer basically a scat but runs so much harder

[@TrackPackRT]

💪

[@David-qf9gp]

Track Pack R/T, You Sir are one of my favorite You Tubers, so I mean no offense, I just have my own opinion to share. When it comes to the street where most of us drive our cars with zero intentions of ever going to the track, these upgrade paths are not set in stone. No matter how much horsepower you have if you cannot get it to the pavement it is totally useless, that's why many prefer to run from a rolling MPH, because they cannot get off the line on the street and they know it. Long tube headers are not the only header option but if track horsepower is your goal maybe they are, but Shorty headers vs the stock exhaust manifolds are long tubes. Shorty headers combined with High Flow Cats and a good High Performance Cat Back Exhaust and tune on a 5.7, give the bottom end some serious punch. Now comes the true problem getting that power down to the road requiring wider rear tires, a limited slip differential, correcting the stock negative camber, and getting rid of that junk OEM driveshaft. You can upgrade a 5.7 to street light to street light monster level, and totally embarrass a Scat Pack owner! IMO anyone not satisfied with their 5.7s upgrade performance on the street has taken the wrong upgrade path.

[@TrackPackRT]

You are absolutely correct. After I put on a set of Nitto 555R's for the street I couldn't even do donuts anymore they gripped so hard! In this video I left tires out of it because a new Scat would have the same 245s on it unless they were upgraded. Getting the power to the ground will be the challenge with this setup for sure.

[@David-qf9gp]

@Spooky V8 I bought mine from TheDriveShaftShop, I am running the 4" Aluminum Shaft which is rated at 1,000+ HP, but if I was a Track Racer the Carbon Fiber is lighter and less spin resistance, but it would be best to give them a call and see what they recommend for your power level, and driving needs whether street or strip.

[@TrackPackRT]

@Gorilla_Gang_RT when you tune your car your tuner can adjust your pedal sensitivity/responsiveness. A pedal commander would operate on adjusting that parameter I imagine. I remember we did adjust mine a little when I got an initial tune from Chris my tuner. You’ll be stoked when you get the headers on man!

[@TrackPackRT]

@Gorilla_Gang_RT one thing that a pedal commander does that is super valuable if you race (that I have to do with a jumper in my fuse panel instead) is allow you to turn your fans on manually to cool your car off between runs. Super important for consistent and as fast as possible at the track! Kooks are great, so are the stainless works headers. I haven’t personally seen the BBK ones but lots of people run them. It’s worth it to get them ceramic coated when you get them in. I did that to mine when they arrived from a place in town. Helps keep the heat down in the engine bay, headers give off a lot of heat.

[@David-qf9gp]

@Gorilla_Gang_RT I do have a Pedal Commander but after my tune was installed it has been turned off, because it causes a throttle to transmission double tap no matter what setting it is on, when it does the double tap it hits the automatic transmission way too hard. The double tap is best described as a delay from the time the PCM (Power Control Module) tells the TCM (Transmission Control Module) of the depressed accelerator pedal which causes a double slam to the transmission. The Higher the Pedal Commander setting the worse it is, so to me running the tune the Pedal Commander is useless.

[@Jeremy_810]

That Penzoil commercial! It was then that I knew, I had to have a Hellcat Challenger.

[@TrackPackRT]

They did such a great job with those commercials! I had to buy Pennzoil synthetic after that exclusively. I can't not support a company that's going to make that big of a love letter to my all time favourite cars!

[@brokelahomachickenfry6497]

Yep. Mine was 405whp before the 6.4 intake install and it was 100 degrees Fahrenheit with 136 degrees air intake. All with the Comp Cam HRT Stage 2.

[@TrackPackRT]

Beauty!

[@brandonh9016]

My ls3 made that with headers and tune with a stock air box

[@brokelahomachickenfry6497]

@@brandonh9016 And your point is?

[@danlopez730]

Great video, would that cam work good in a 2006 5.7?

[@TrackPackRT]

Yep, it’s 2003+ 5.7 Hemis.

[@ssealabs]

You (everyone) should at least do the numbers on trade-in vs private sale. For most states you will only have to pay sales tax on the difference between your new car and the trade-in value. If you do a private sale, you'll be paying the full sales tax on the new car. For example (this video at 5:42), if MSRP is 53,700, he should be able to talk that down by at least 7% (49,941); he'd have to pay tax on $49,941 and if that tax is 10% (metro area), that's $4,994 in tax. But if he is offered $17K trade from the dealer, 49,941-17,000 = 32,941 * 0.1 = 3,294 in tax. So you'd want to make sure your private sale brings in more than $17K + (4,994-3,294) = 18,700 to break-even. I'd add $500 to make the hassle of meeting multiple buyers worth it, so $19,200. So the $20K private sale would be just about right...though I think you can expect many buyers to ask for $500 off when they start pointing out minor flaws.

[@timchand4165]

The newer 5.7 with 8 speed can make lot power just by headers/ cam /tune

[@TrackPackRT]

You bet, although that applies to all the 5.7s 09 and up. The 8 speed just happens to be a great transmission to put that power behind!

[@terrymitchell4579]

Yup... seen alot of them 5.7 with them mods kill scat packs

[@norcalsrt1214]

Depends on what u consider power i think our ideas of power are very different

[@terrymitchell4579]

@@norcalsrt1214 how much power you need if you not on the track racing for money?? Asking for a friend

[@Showstopper-lc7jf]

What if I found a 6.4 motor? Can I put that in a R/T challenger. Will this fit the transmission

[@FlossyZ]

I’m 17 looking for a srt8 challenger but I don’t like the interior should I just get a newer version of the RT and save gas money or say yolo world ending soon so idk 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@TrackPackRT]

It's funny I was going to do a comparison video of early vs later Challengers and different things to look for ect. I always notice that when ever I see a review of the Challenger weather it was from 2009 or 2019 the reviewer always hates the interior which is funny to me. It always comes down to personal preference of course, but I actually really like my interior. Simple, functional, comfortable, great seats and black. Reminds me of what a muscle car should be. My only beef is my steering wheel, I really wish I could upgrade to a newer style one!

[@asthecrowflies1201]

I'm about to turn 34 and my whole life I always just settled for things. Now that I'm older and can afford nicer things, I really wish I had just bought the things I actually wanted the first time, not settled for less and wished for more. Not saying go totally nuts with your money, but I WILL say that you can always make more money later. Buy once and be happy, just make sure it's what you really wanted before you commit. Got an Srt8 manual challenger myself and it's the tits, man...

[@TrackPackRT]

@@asthecrowflies1201 for sure. If you’re just starting out and don’t have a Challenger always get the most performance your budget will allow.

[@FlossyZ]

@@asthecrowflies1201 appreciate the advice that’s how I feel the money comes and goes if I like something ima get it and I feel like the srt8 has enough smile per gallon for me that’s affordable that’s all I need love these cars even though I live in NY everyone wants me to settle with something simple because of snow but idc I’ve been investing stocks, grinding school and working all year I’m buying my challenger😼😎

[@donjuan5212]

I was 5 grand away from a scat and I turned it down

[@rick6582CNCMedicalParts]

2010 r/t red classic 6 - speed 391 rear track pack 64k miles now & bought new for 41k Put 10k into it total no payments ..but to me looks better then 2021 ? Don't want payments sounds & looks good ...Good video

[@antwonlewang1390]

I bought a brand new 392 Daytona as a gift to myself but I kept my ‘13 R/T Charger with road and track pkg. I really enjoy it and feel if you buy a 5.7 make sure it has road & track pkg and never drive it in auto mode learn to shift your own gears you’ll get the full effect of driving a 5.7 hemi , if you drive a 5.7 in full auto mode then you’ll be extra thirsty for the 392 ,mods I made in it to appease me was I added a flowmaster American thunder exhaust and 22” staggered viper wheels and it’s perfect I get lots compliments

[@JR-yt5dq]

In 2015, I could only afford a base manual RT. I paid 28k. Three years later I debated trading it in for a scat pack. I decided to magna charge it, upgraded the throttle body and added a 392 jlt intake. now I have a paid off sweet ride putting out well over 500hp. Im definitely buying a new car, but instead of another street car, I'm getting a Mojave and dropping another Maggie. Guess what, I'm going to have two sweet rides, one for the street and the other for the sand.

[@MikeJBlues]

You can make anything faster just throwing money at it. 5.7 is great, I drive a 2010 and I did the 6.1 intake swap, shorty headers and a Jay greene tune. Gets the job done

[@TrackPackRT]

Nice! Those 6.1 intakes look awesome in the engine bay!

[@MikeJBlues]

@@TrackPackRT easy bolt on, made a big difference. Couldn't see paying all that for an SRT . Just a cruiser not a racer. 108 k still going strong. I did the srt brembo upgrade on all 4 corners. Night and day and still cheaper then an SRT

[@MikeJBlues]

@@TrackPackRT thought about dropping a 6 speed in. Waiting for someone to post doing that on youtube before I do.

[@TrackPackRT]

@@MikeJBlues those brakes are unreal! My buddy Jay did a 100-0 test with me in his SRT, it was crazy! It stopped so hard it felt like my stomach flipped! 😂

[@MikeJBlues]

@@TrackPackRT took me a year of chasing parts , donor srt chargers

[@jcarreon08]

Hey. Don’t know if anyone has asked. But where can I find the limited slip differential for my charger 2012 rt

[@cesarperdomo1993]

With basic fbo E85 which cost my 3k total I’m already beating scats my Rt was 24k scats run for almost 50k

[@paulmarclalonde3834]

What size headers did you go with? Thanks

[@TrackPackRT]

Pretty sure mine are 1 7/8”.

[@OfOld]

That cam was in the briefcase in pulp fiction

[@TrackPackRT]

😂

[@Drewbie_Doo_]

I went the RT rout. Have the cold air intake, long tube headers, full exhaust, stage 3 cam, unlocked ecu and tune and I'm pretty happy with it.

[@TrackPackRT]

Should be a pretty quick ride at that point!

[@augustdrums1247]

How much did your cam job cost?

[@Drewbie_Doo_]

@@augustdrums1247 It was part of the package with the exhaust and everything so I dont have the exact cost for it (invoice is in the glove box and the car is back in the shop at the moment). That whole package was 10k tho.

[@augustdrums1247]

@@Drewbie_Doo_ Yeah see thats kinda of what I thought. This video makes it sound like its way less. A cam is not a small mod

[@Drewbie_Doo_]

@@augustdrums1247 No its not. If you did the labor yourself it would definitely cut back on the cost but still have to get a tune at the shop.

[@GT-43]

Yes, yes you should

[@detsgtbeer]

Great video and education! Thanks!

[@TrackPackRT]

Glad it helped! Prices have gone up since this was released but it gives you a basic idea anyway.

[@user-xb3nk6dx3g]

Insurance cost is what sold me on the RT 5.7 we have a house full of drivers and cars with sons.

[@Batman-tb6fq]

Man o Man thank you very much coming from an old Codger . A wealth of AWESOME knowledge for the young Men And Women . I couldn't afford a new challenger but every since I saw the challenger I fell in love with it . I finally purchased a 13..5.7 hemi r/t had a few miles on her..but I'm enjoying every second I drive her...enjoyed your video thank you ..Batman

[@TrackPackRT]

Nice, glad you got your hands on a Hemi Challenger! They’re such awesome cars! 💪

[@brucebeamer2298]

I was told the 2014 5.7 manual rt eagle(variable timing) was 400 hp and 415 tq at crank? If you knew you needed ring gap down the line, would you forge when camming or would you wait till boosted? I think are cars are twins!

[@TrackPackRT]

Nope, autos are rated at 370, manuals at 375. The trucks are rated slightly higher but they have a different intake design as well as a different exhaust setup. The biggest thing is to plan and budget your build and then execute in a way that’s going to cost you the least in the long run. If you know you’re pulling your engine out to upgrade your internals, you might as well put the cam in and headers all in one shot, that will be the less overall cost, just more $ all at once.

[@markcleveland9645]

Man your doing it wrong...You have to compare what year your car is to that same year scat pack...What's the price difference between the top of the line 5.7 rt verses the top of the line scat pack. That difference is what you have to beef up the 5.7 and remember you have to include labor for doing the work in there too. This is a fairer comparison than what your trying to do You don’t mention what year challenger you had to start with but nothing says you have to buy a new 392...I had a 13 RT with the 5.7, it was a nice car but the 17 scat pack shaker I traded it in for is far superior. As for trade in...if you could get 20K I’d be impressed cause nobody will give you that...hell I only got 17.5 for mine and it only had 46K

[@TrackPackRT]

There was no such thing as a 392 when I car came out! When I bought it new in 09 if you could even find an SRT with the 6.1 stealerships were gouging for them trying to sell them for way over list price which is why I bought my R/T. If you don’t want to or can’t do the work yourself I did have a bunch of advice for getting the best deal labour wise by doing both at the same time but the video was getting so long I cut it out along with a section on super charging that I’m going to make into a part 2 episode. This video was getting super long, I had to shorten it up. I do have a passion for doing this work yourself though, admittedly it’s my bias, but at the same time with drastically different shop rates and wages over 2 countries ect it’s impossible to get an actual number to put to an install, but I’m willing to bet it’s still cheaper than the “trade for a scat” prices I was looking at in the example. That is a fair point though!