Can a stock bottom end 5.7 Challenger/Charger R/T (RT) Hemi make over 700 Rear Wheel Horsepower!

[@ModernRedHemi]

Where's all the Facebook 5.7 groups that won't allow me in their groups now? Watching taillights... Did you just hear that? Mic dropped...

[@murdered300c]

i always wondered why i dont see you in the fb groups

[@ModernRedHemi]

@@murdered300c Pretty much all of them don't let me in so it's not from a lack of trying.

[@TrackPackRT]

@@ModernRedHemi Really? That's dumb why wouldn't they let you in, you're making the 5.7 crowd look good my friend!

[@RTLife]

i stay off of facebook. So many of those guys are assholes. Very negative & bad for Mopar hobbyists trying to learn/mod

[@moparmuscle304]

what size is your upper pulley and what rpm are you running it at wot 6500rpm ?

[@RTLife]

Playing it safe my butt hahhaa. I know Mack/Dave have shake N bake running perfect. Congrats man, so cool seeing the 5.7 getting pushed to the max

[@ModernRedHemi]

LOL... Thanks brother! I think this is far as I am going to go. Going to run this set up for a while and then put the forged motor in.💪💪💪

[@rodneysellers453]

Love the build really been following love you setup im in the works of doing something similar but with my magnum

[@stevealoia]

I want to see you to guys run each other . 2 great builds.

[@ModernRedHemi]

@@stevealoia oh, it's coming. Just stay tuned!

[@stevealoia]

@@ModernRedHemi lol cool we do have a drag strip on Long Island now .

[@Billoflife]

Love to see it! Shes runnin great, really showing people what the 5.7 can put down on the track and dyno

[@ModernRedHemi]

Thanks brother! Track video, if all works out, coming soon. 😉

[@hostilehemi9740]

DAMNNN SON!!!!!!! Those numbers are impressive! Not that it's about chasing numbers on the dyno, just get her tuned in real-time, no email revision tunes....those numbers are crazy.....Congrats !!!!

[@ModernRedHemi]

Thanks brother! I agree, not chasing dyno numbers (well only for most KZbinrs 😂) The real tale of the tape is the ET at the track! 💪💪💪

[@MM_in_Havasu]

Some excellent HP numbers out of that 5.7! Now go see if it'll run a 10 flat!

[@ModernRedHemi]

Thanks brother! I know it should be low tens, not sure about a flat one although that would be super awesome! 💪💪💪

[@bighomie95873]

Maaaannn you keep coming and coming with it! I love it! I can’t wait to see what my Stroker 5.7 can do with a Vortech supercharger and damper. Talked to HHP and they Highway considered the 18% overdrive as well. This is proof of it. Definitely aiming to hit 800rwhp with this setup! Can’t wait to see SNB at the track on the next video!

[@ModernRedHemi]

Yeah, the 18% added quite a bit that's for sure! It's well worth the $400 or so for one. I gained about 5-6lbs of boost. 💪💪💪

[@apg1383]

Congratulations Don. Great numbers for a 18% overdrive damper change and a safe tune. If the track conditions are good I would think that Shake "N" Bake should run in the low 10's. Will definitely be waiting to see the results. Should be exciting.

[@ModernRedHemi]

Thanks brother! Like I said, there was some left on the table but no sense in going to the point of no kidding blowing her up. That's what I am hoping for, low 10s. Hitting the track Saturday if the weather holds out. 💪💪💪

[@charlescato4764]

Great run. I hope it hook up at the track. I can't wait to see how she runs.

[@ModernRedHemi]

Thanks brother! That is my hope as well (spoiler, I got beadlocks in the mix now so they should help). Hopefully, if all comes together, I'll be at the track tomorrow! 💪💪💪

[@widebody_moparmike]

And now it’s track time baby 💪💪let’s get it

[@ModernRedHemi]

Definitely track time brother! Going to hit Capitol on Saturday! 💪💪💪

[@widebody_moparmike]

@@ModernRedHemi if I could I would but the wife got plans 🥴

[@stargazingdemigod]

Congrats on the numbers. Definitely impressive and i love to see it. Rep for us 5.7 gang! 😎🤙🏾

[@ModernRedHemi]

I'm trying to rep the 5.7 gang brother! Thanks and there is only more to come! 💪💪💪

[@mr.gtmsworld2494]

Great numbers! Time to get some quick hood releases. Take that hood off at the track and run it!

[@ModernRedHemi]

Thanks brother! I take the Shaker off at the track and that's a majority of the hood. 😂😂😂

[@idunno3639]

Great stuff! Definitely interesting seeing the gains with boost and nothing too crazy for timing. Seems you lost a whole lot on the low end though but I understand this is a track focused monster. Keep up the great content!

[@ModernRedHemi]

Thanks brother! She is, pretty much solely a track monster, though I do daily it every now and then. Being I work from home now I don't drive her as much as I used too. 💪💪💪

[@moparcardi]

Definitely need to scroll back thru ya videos! I’m building a 5.7 too, my 1st goal was only around 450wheel. You outchea 700+! Sheesh

[@ModernRedHemi]

All the mods are listed in the description but please, go watch the videos and don't skip the commercials! 😉

[@juliussanchez7732]

Great build man! But you gonna need larger brakes with all that power!

[@ModernRedHemi]

A transmission and a partridge in a pear tree! 😉

[@redmunds5976]

Looks like the next mod is one of those Cleetus McFarland hoods …. Congrats on those numbers - got to be the record for a stock bottom 5.7.

[@ModernRedHemi]

Oh, you mean no hood? 😂😂😂 Don't think I haven't thought about it. 💪💪💪

[@widebody_moparmike]

Nah just do what I did for my procharger 6” hole with the velocity stack flush to the hood

[@TrackPackRT]

Frig those numbers are insane! Going to hurt some feelings with big time this season I think!

[@ModernRedHemi]

That's the hope! Really the hope is that it all holds together under the stress of racing and daily driving around 😂

[@IncredibleHemi1111]

Congrats bro ,shake and bake is making some POWER on 5.7 SBE keep it up!!

[@ModernRedHemi]

Thanks brother but you know as well as I do that I am really pushing the edge of not only the SBE but the trans as well. 😈😈😈

[@IncredibleHemi1111]

@@ModernRedHemi I know u are man lol

[@dankolicious10]

Congratulations! Impressive numbers, can't wait to see the times.

[@ModernRedHemi]

Thanks brother! You coming out Saturday at Capitol? 😉

[@dankolicious10]

@@ModernRedHemi Maybe. Had Surgery Monday so I can't do any runs for another week according to the Dr. But I might come to just hang out and watch everyone else run. They are also doing 1/8mi, no timing gear, flashlight starts tomorrow starting at 3pm and allowing callouts to 11pm. Should be a good show, so might check it out too.

[@PyrosPelagics]

sickening, absolute beast

[@ModernRedHemi]

Thanks brother! For sure an absolute BEAST! 💪💪💪

[@patrickciarcia4100]

Congratulations Don, your always making great videos 👍🏻😎

[@ModernRedHemi]

Thanks brother! I really appreciate the support to the channel. Really makes this all worth it knowing people like the content! 💪💪💪

[@OMGITSMRMACK]

700whp folks.

[@ModernRedHemi]

It's all Mike, Dave, and yourself brother! 💪💪💪

[@5.7shaker35]

Congratulations bro. You have put together a great ride man..

[@ModernRedHemi]

Thanks brother! She is moving out that's for sure! 💪💪💪

[@hemichallenger3643]

Great numbers tho. Glad to see some of the kinks getting worked out.

[@ModernRedHemi]

Yes sir, me too! 💪💪💪

[@SixTwoHemi]

Very consistent very spicy.

[@ModernRedHemi]

Ohhhh YEAHHHHH, just a little spicy! 😈😈😈

[@saulcruz9024]

Can’t wait to see how she does boss

[@ModernRedHemi]

Me either! Hopefully Saturday! 💪💪💪

[@cammedramprocharged4927]

That’s impressive on stock internals

[@ModernRedHemi]

Now it's to see how long they hold up, daily and at the track. 💪💪💪

[@teeghost239]

@@ModernRedHemihow’s it going on stock internals?

[@ModernRedHemi]

@@teeghost239 moved to the forged engine in July but initial tear down of the stock one was awesome. Cam, piston, and rods all looked good along with the bearings.

[@OMGITSMRMACK]

Also.. youre running 2° less timing and it was 20° warmer for this dyno session. We could of made it 100whp gain.. but not worth it.

[@ModernRedHemi]

Yup, agree. Definitely not worth it. 😉

[@ghostrt1608]

@OMGITSMRMACK ...where's this tuning place located

[@ModernRedHemi]

They are located in Fredericksburg, VA. Here is the website: efispecialties.com/

[@ghostrt1608]

@@ModernRedHemi ...can they do a single turbo setup in a '14 R/T Challenger ...

[@OMGITSMRMACK]

@@ghostrt1608 yes

[@octanejimmy]

Is it the shaker causing that much loss? Great numbers brother. Thanks for the update. Youre on my ass for RWP, so awesome.

[@ModernRedHemi]

I don't think so, I just think its sucking in hotter air with the hood closed. Don't forget, stock bottom end 😉

[@octanejimmy]

@@ModernRedHemi I can see that. Not for long :P

[@srtbone783]

Man she strong!

[@ModernRedHemi]

You have witnessed it first hand brother! 💪💪💪

[@campanelli8]

Hellcat ready!

[@ModernRedHemi]

For sure!!! 💪💪💪

[@Wokdoc]

The hood coming off my srt😂bump that

[@ModernRedHemi]

😂😂😂

[@brucebeamer2298]

A lot of torque to keep tires on pavement😈. Any wheel hop going on? Great numbers!

[@ModernRedHemi]

LOL... haven't been to the track yet but that's coming soon! 💪💪💪

[@davidcorey8604]

Great video. I have a challenger RT I've done kooks headers cold air intake an pedal commander changed tires to 275 on the front an 305 on rear it go's ok but looking for a good cam I'm hoping you can let me know what your cam is .

[@ModernRedHemi]

My complete build is in the comments but the cam is a Comp Cam 270. 😉

[@edwardmajor2678]

Yes because NASCAR uses as standard the 5.7 in their cars that puts out 700 hp w/o boost!

[@ModernRedHemi]

I know right? LOL... 💪💪💪

[@229KuttupBoyzz]

How it must be stroked ?

[@mrhellcat9139]

what would forged mmx pistons and a gen 5 whipple 3.0l suppercharger get me? i want it to be a daily driver with plenty power.

[@ModernRedHemi]

On a 5.7? You would also have to get a forged cranks along with the drop in pistons and rods to get the full potential out of the Whipple. That set up will give you plenty of power as you can crank up the boost. Guessing, well into the 600s if you want it to. 💪

[@hemichallenger3643]

I wonder, would adding the ATI without a tune do anything? I'm always curious what the stock setup can do with compensation on new parts. More of a philosophical question. Wondering when a tune is needed vs required.

[@widebody_moparmike]

You’ll increase the boost but the tune will be whack pcm can only make small adjusts

[@hemichallenger3643]

@@widebody_moparmike I kind of assumed small adjustments. In a NA setup, what do you think the gains would be achieved with the ATI? Without tune? Just for shits and giggles.

[@widebody_moparmike]

@@hemichallenger3643 for a na setup you’ll want there underdrive damper (less spinning) just freeing up power that is already there.

[@ModernRedHemi]

Great question. moparmike is more qualified than I am on this subject. 😉

[@ramonbauza8461]

Wow that’s are a good numbers and good help from the dumper pulley where can get that pulley will it fit 13 rt?

[@widebody_moparmike]

Ati overdrive damper , offered in 10%, 15% and 18% for the gen3 hemis

[@ModernRedHemi]

I got mine from HHP and it's the 18%. 💪💪💪

[@ramonbauza8461]

@@widebody_moparmike Idk if I have gen 3 hemi but the year is 2013 hemi idk if they one for it

[@moedigzz]

Smart to call it at 700ish whp. Not worth breaking it for a dyno number.

[@ModernRedHemi]

Yeah, we didn't want to go too far overboard. 😂

[@tommiller8714]

Wow, very impressive numbers for the 5.7L/345cu.in. Congrats! Curious what could be done to minimize power loss observed when the hood is closed? Demon style hood? Keep the Shaker but add heat extractors to the hood? Like the idea of keeping the car basically appearing stockish in appearence, yet ability to run in the 10's, and with a 5.7! Tom M., Hawthorne Ca. '21 Challenger SP/WB/8A [bone stock (warranty & Ca. emissions)with 1 mod: Magnaflow X-Mod Exhaust System].

[@ModernRedHemi]

Thanks brother! Other than either removing the hood when racing or cutting a whole in it there really isn't much else that I can think of. She is definitely a 10 second car now. Love the WB Scats as well. 💪💪💪

[@jasongarcia5165]

Was that 733 and 595 on stock internals and transmission? Looking at getting my 2017 5.7 charger to 650-700whp with turbo kit build I’m doing. Forged internals, cam, headers, turbo, e85, 3600 stall

[@ModernRedHemi]

Yes, stock internals other than a cam. The HP70 can hold around 650 lb/ft of torque before it starts slipping. 💪

[@Tony-RS3]

@@ModernRedHemihellcat cam? Looking to pick up a r/t and install a hellcat blower, fueling and mild bolt ons.. Gonna run e85 most of the time… would love 670-730whp lol

[@ModernRedHemi]

@@Tony-RS3 I’d talk to EFI Specialties and get a cam from mackbuilt.

[@Tony-RS3]

@@ModernRedHemi cool and so far on your sbe you’ve went 9s beat on it for a few year till she gave in?? Got a 15 r/t for 5k today** lol 142k miles and got a hellcat blower for $700.. gonna do my WB conversion first then go with the blower and upgrade to some hellcat or scat pack brakes.. I’ll check out efi too thnx

[@6spd85notch]

Is there a Ram air hood out there that would help with the horsepower loss ? Nice car

[@ModernRedHemi]

Don't think so but I can always cut a hole in the hood! 😂😂😂

[@6spd85notch]

Maybe that’s why the demon has those big forward facing scoops on it.

[@widebody_moparmike]

@@6spd85notch demon hood and supercharger aren’t comparable, the procharger is facing and sucking air from around the driver side header , 180+ degrees vs ambient air . Done the tests if you can pull all the air from outside of the engine bay your it will keep the entering air at the blower cooler along with keeping the headunit cooler as well.

[@archiepat1345]

does the nitrous help cooling? never knew closed hood takes alot of ponies. maybe meth inject?

[@ModernRedHemi]

Pretty sure Nitrous will not help with cooling but some meth injection definitely will! That's on the table of future modifications. 😉

[@rickychamblee3122]

Awsome!😊

[@ModernRedHemi]

Thanks brother! I really appreciate the support! 💪

[@H3mif4v5r]

is there a set up that makes the 5.7 produce more torque than HP?

[@ModernRedHemi]

The stock 5.7 already makes more torque than HP. I haven't seen a modified set up do that but I am sure someone has. 😉

[@870.Shaker]

we have the exact same car and it’s lowered to same mine just lowered another inch or 2 what kind of suspension set up you running I haven’t had a alignment in like 2 years 😂

[@ModernRedHemi]

That's cool brother! I really love the Shaker version! Running stock suspension with some BMR suspension pieces. Not lowered at all though. 💪💪💪

[@bmoretazz]

And your transmission is okay with 500+ lb ft torque??? Assuming you still have the 8hp70

[@ModernRedHemi]

Yes, though we do have torque management turned up a little and pulled all the timing at the shifts. Oh, yes. 8HP70. 💪💪💪

[@bmoretazz]

Good to know thanks. Cause im going boost and i dont want transmission issue. Right now e85 fbo cam im at 26⁰ in timing

[@PoioMaster007]

who said 5.7's are slow?

[@ModernRedHemi]

Too many people! 😂 They don't say that to me that's for sure! 💪💪💪

[@nameless9622]

iv got a 2022 chrysler 300s 5.7 with a procharger and every single tuneing shop I call keep telling me if i got over 550whp which is what i have currently that I'll blow my engine or my pistons will give out

[@ModernRedHemi]

Historically that is false. There are several 5.7s out there in the past making way more than that and surviving over a year. Mine is one, Incredible Hemi when he had his, and Mopar Motorsports (Frostbite Ram) just blew his after several years making over 700+. Shops just want your money. 😉

[@nameless9622]

@ModernRedHemi yeah thats what it seems like haha. if I can find a shop to tune me what HP should I aim for if I wanted it to last for years? and what mods would you recommend to get the most out of the procharger?I have the procharger with 7lbs of boost and I was thinking before I tune I'll do long tube headers and high flow cats even though mine aren't very restrictive, that will lower resistance and drop the boost, so I'll lower the pully from a 3.20 to a 3.10 to keep it about at 8lbs of boost but should I upgrade the fuel system again? I have 39 1/2 lbs injectors currently and increased the voltage on the fuel pump. you think i can get to 600hp with what I have currently and run it safely with the proper tune or will i need upgrades?

[@ModernRedHemi]

@@nameless9622 I would upgrade fueling. One thing you don’t want to run out of. 8lbs you’ll definitely be safe. I ran mine 10-12 for over a year. I’d say 650-700 and you’re safe but there’s never a guarantee.

[@nameless9622]

@ModernRedHemi what cheapish but quality pump, injectors and fuel rail would you recommend I use?

[@nameless9622]

@ModernRedHemi what fule system upgrades should I go with? good bang for my buck, I know some of thrm pumps are like over 2k, is a high end one like that really necessary? I was thinkin taking hellcat, injectors, fuel rail, and pump and using those. I can find them online all day for pretty cheap

[@f14hellcat28]

Can you take the hood off when your at the drag strip? I would if you can lol

[@ModernRedHemi]

Don't think this hasn't crossed my mind in the past as well 😈😈😈 Definitely a possibility. 💪💪💪

[@ashtonhensley4256]

anyone have a decent idea how much this would cost? trying to build one and im not all too much educated

[@ModernRedHemi]

I've done a couple of pricing videos but just the parts to that point was around $25k. Keep in mind if you are not doing the work yourself that price could double if you include labor. 😉

[@jeffgordon9103]

This is fun to watch, but I have a stock 5.7 challenger 2012 with 38,000 on it. I would like to make it better under a budget of 4,000$ suggestions anyone?

[@ModernRedHemi]

Here is a video I did with a $5000 budget. That is just parts and no labor though. 😉 kzbin.info/www/bejne/h5epmJ6bqb2ViLM

[@229KuttupBoyzz]

So how much would it cost to build an bottom end?

[@ModernRedHemi]

Did a video on it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bKHTqGCBbqp9p6c 💪

[@djl55529]

now whats a rough estimate on the cost of the build if you dont mind me askin?

[@ModernRedHemi]

Rough guess, just in parts is around $21,000-$23,000. 😉

[@ryanprettyman3123]

How did this not blow up on stock internals?

[@ModernRedHemi]

They are stronger than everyone gives them credit for. Now it's the test of time to see how long they hold up at the track and daily. 💪💪💪

[@devious5.0]

What boost are you seeing with the 18% from stock?

[@ModernRedHemi]

Prior to the 18% we were seeing, in good weather, around 10lbs of boost and with the 18% we are seeing just under 16lbs.

[@devious5.0]

@@ModernRedHemi Awesome 👌

[@hu3.789]

Were you able to find out how much average horsepower the car is making? That's going to determine how quick the car is in the quarter mile. A centrifugal supercharger will make a relatively high peal horsepower number due to the rising boost curve. The 6.4 makes excellent low and midrange power. Add nitrous and the horsepower increase from it is almost instantaneous. I hate to tell you this Don. You will probably lose the race and have the runner up sticker for the year. When does Capitol Raceway open?

[@OMGITSMRMACK]

Going to capital tomorrow

[@OMGITSMRMACK]

And im glad you get it, be cool to see what happens. My goals low 600s.. so.. we'll see how it all relates when it goes down. Around the end of March is the plan. Need to finish up my NA testing and then ill toss the set up on and we'll do it.

[@ModernRedHemi]

Spot on brother but I am still holding out hope 😂 If I gotta rock the sticker, you know me, I'll rock the sticker like a champ! All that to say, you are probably right and your analysis is spot on brother! Going to Capitol tomorrow if all works out! 💪💪💪

[@CJColvin]

You're basically making more Horsepower than the Hellcat.

[@ModernRedHemi]

A good chunk more. A stock Hellcat is in the 640-650 range.

[@CJColvin]

@@ModernRedHemi Awesome brother

[@jetttally7225]

Do you have stock axles?

[@ModernRedHemi]

Nope, I have stock Redeye axles. 😉

[@robbiefrentz9427]

Are your internals forged??? Or stock???

[@widebody_moparmike]

He’s stock bottom

[@ModernRedHemi]

Stock bottom... for now... more to follow 😈😈😈

[@moosestanggang]

High boost kills hemis not timing.

[@ModernRedHemi]

What do you consider high boost, that is the question? 😉

[@NateBrosProductions]

So this is a stock bottom end 5.7????!!!

[@ModernRedHemi]

Yes, stock bottom end. Surprised? 😂😂😂

[@NateBrosProductions]

Uhmm yes I love to hear this, I have a cam from mmx the S/C cam with about same mods as you just no fuel no pro charger, have a 3.91 rear end with nitrous, 6.1 intake manifold I hope hope hope I can be at 400whp with Cam NA

[@ModernRedHemi]

@@NateBrosProductions you should be pretty close with that set up.

[@NateBrosProductions]

@@ModernRedHemi what year challenger is yours? You have VVT?

[@ModernRedHemi]

@@NateBrosProductions 2016 and yes, it's a VVT engine.