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[@johntharp22]

I was involved in a lot of different sports, and road cycling had the biggest group of complainers of all of them. I discovered as I raced longer that it wasn’t just complaining for the sake of it; riders could shame other riders into doing more work than they wanted to. It works on new riders or lesser riders, but I came to notice riders usually started complaining right about the time they were nearly out of energy, and it was my cue to start punishing them to try to drop them. Most often, winners were too busy crushing everyone to be chatting during a race. There’s also nothing more satisfying than causing an adult to throw a temper tantrum in a sport and then beat them.

[@walterhofer937]

I wouldn't be surprised if you're the target of complaints most of the time.

[@alessandrocasasso7299]

Then you woke up sweating

[@parmesan6133]

@@alessandrocasasso7299 yeah because nobody on the internet ever does anything eh?

[@fellspoint9364]

Wollschlager ist konig…

[@proffate]

The smart ones get you to work by pretending to be your friend

[@TheJunglecrab]

It’s not that she doesn’t want to work, She’s stalling the break away so her team can catch up

[@MM93_SV5]

Exactly. People don’t understand this.

[@erikadonald6416]

I hear no one in the peloton likes Cecile

[@JackMott]

she might have a team mate who can sprint so she doesn't feel compelled to work, she might be tired, she might be trying to win, she might be trying to annoy the lady. who knows! she don't have to pull if she don't want. such is road racing!

[@marksasoldier]

And? Break away then don't gripe... Women, and even men when they say dumb stuff like this. Either push it or shut your mouth. It means you're not pushing the lead either.

[@TnFruit]

This is me, riding alone and talking to myself..

[@ajsparks87]

Username checks out.

[@pcarp100]

😂😂😂😂

[@thetimeisnow1210]

Lmfao 😂😂😂😂😂

[@painterQjensen]

I usually just sing to myself instead of yelling at myself, but hey, if it gets out out there ;D

[@Gaano_ki_duniyaa]

Iiw

[@cyberindio]

Cycling is a TEAM sport. If a breakaway contains a rider that is a threat to your team lead, It's your job to discourage, disrupt and slow the attack down. Bicycle Racing Strategy 101.

[@87togabito]

No, cycling isn’t a team sport. I’d accept maybe a tandem bike might be a team event, but cycling is just you alone of the bike. There is NO TEAM on your bike. It’s just you, no matter how you try to imagine it might otherwise be.

[@cyberindio]

@@87togabito In professional bike racing riders on teams support each other by providing food and water to team leaders, serving as wind breaks and even giving their leaders their bikes when they get flats. Watch a race and learn.

[@exigency2231]

@@87togabitowhy are you commenting on a video about pro cycling when you know nothing about it?

[@user-kx1lz8xz1m]

​@@87togabitoyou scored 0 out of 100 on your homework assignment about bicycle racing strategies.

[@MarlowWhere]

​@@87togabitohow do you explain the teams then?

[@gettysb19]

As someone who had the team job of disrupting breakaways, this situation just made me so happy. That's when you know you are succeeding. Can also go on the front and just soft pedal, really reduce the average speed :P

[@scottnglsh]

Haha yes! Or intentionally opening gaps in the breakaway 😂

[@AppleGameification]

Omg you were the amogus

[@JaemanEdwards]

At the world championships last year in Australia, she was in a leading group of five with no teammates behind. She would do the odd false pull for 15 seconds before pulling over. In the last 5 km, nothing. The result ? No one in that five ended up on the podium. This is why she is despised amongst the peleton.

[@JJ-iu5hl]

@bones jones owns phones How many times are you going to copy and paste this comment? Get a life.

[@JaemanEdwards]

@@JJ-iu5hl are you a fan of this rider ? I used to be.

[@atmywitsend1984]

This is common practice in cycle racing. A rider will often go in a breakaway group to cause disruption in that group,as they will have a team mate in the main group that has a good chance of winning the stage/tour. It is a very tactical sport,and I love it because of this.

[@norwit1162]

very Tactical, lmao

[@atmywitsend1984]

@Norwit explain why it is not please?

[@JaemanEdwards]

​@@atmywitsend1984 In the world championship last year in Australia Cecile Uttrup Ludwig was in a leading group of five with no teammates behind and 10 km to the finish. She would do the odd false turn for 15 seconds before pulling over. In the last 5 km nothing. Result? No one in that five ended up on the podium. This is why she is despised in the peleton.

[@rulifaller8474]

The situation you describe is common practice. But riders like her also do it with no teammates behind just because they hope to save energy whil others are wasting theirs. Which is also quite a common scenario in cycling, but if you are the one that is always trying to benefit from other riders work you will not be liked by other riders or the general public. Doing it sometimes is smart, doing it all the time is just annoying. Plus a rider like her actually does not seem to realize that she is also hurting her own chances. She has won very few races in her career even though she is one of the strongest riders, and she partly has herself to blame for it,

[@Sam-m6o3j]

​@@norwit1162 A lot of tactics involved. To the degree where a much less capable rider can find success over a better rider by using strategy rather than brute force.

[@nasifurrahman2641]

in a race, u reallh shouldnt expect to be niced. its competitive and u shouldnt let yourself be bullied into doing sth u dont want no matter what

[@xscream82]

Interesting, just this week I just read an interview with a rider who wasn't in this break. She said Cecile never catches any wind herself

[@lukewalker1051]

Just passes it. 😉

[@meibing4912]

Statement was withdrawn soon after. And no one else supported this claim.

[@Grunge_Cycling]

Have you seen her drop the hammer?

[@dikketinus]

​@@meibing4912was not withdrawn, she (Ellen van Dijk) apologized for the blunt way she said it. She still stands behind her opinion.

[@deathkampdrone]

People only discussing this because it's women. The male riders bitch about stuff like this during literally EVERY race. No big deal at all...

[@griffamg]

Her team leader is behind, she doesn’t have to work 😂

[@yahiagamin]

That reminds me of my first race ,I was in a breakaway by my self and didn't know someone was behind me I was the one in the front and I didn't let anyone take the lead until we reached the first group lol

[@JaemanEdwards]

Brave and admirable riding. Probably not the best tactic for a pro rider tho but I like your style.

[@johanberliando3782]

Good communication😅

[@leroygarrick319]

Find the ones that want to work and send it with them or go out alone. As someone who has raced alot I wouldn't do much work and when they start complaining I'd break off on my own because I knew they were tired.

[@eagle8823]

Reminds me of all my lazy coworkers😅

[@luzzyrogue]

Team tactics. Put someone infront, and stay with the bunch. Why pull?

[@jamesbowles3046]

the best riders in world all do this don't expend any more energy than needed

[@JaemanEdwards]

Annemiek van vleuten never sucks wheels. You don't know what your talking about.

[@rulifaller8474]

Actually they do not nowadays, thank god The best riders in the men’s peloton (we all know who they are) love to attack and make the race hard for others. And the same is true for most of the best riders in the women’s peloton like Van Vleuten or Vollering. Uttrup Ludwig is part of the circle of riders who still thinks your strategy works,and she is also a prime example that it usually does not work anymore, because she wins very few races even though she is very strong.

[@pandakso3365]

Me whenever someone walks a little faster than me on the sidewalk

[@PacitoPC]

Funny, Cecile is known in the peloton for never taking any turns when it comes to breakaways.

[@fpeter01]

I would do the same. Haha.

[@meibing4912]

Not true. The two who said this have withdrawn their statement and no one else has supported this claim.

[@dean-does-stuff-81]

All part of the head games that I understand make up the most part of this sport

[@Jose71117]

Igual que hacía Nairo Quintana 🤦🤣🤣🤣

[@dennistoft8458]

No, she is accused of that.

[@LibbyLibster]

Let this play 5 times in a row, and there's the reason I come home late from work every day.

[@Cumberland_swasige]

You mean to say you're in a race and you're going to do what suits you? Outrageous.

[@SlammaJamma999]

You’re kidding me…it’s a race not a group ride…LOL. And especially in a breakaway….no whining in a breakaway….

[@giogio4833]

The smart ones take the turns on the easy stretches of road

[@dustinluu1312]

Its a game for both riders, one is purposely not working, and the others try to pressure them into working, this is just a part of the game

[@danvers34]

When racing, I treat everyone like its an actual race. Using others for my advantage, not helping them but they help me. A little douchy but its a race stop complaining

[@reddiver7293]

Actually, very douchy.

[@SidAuteur]

Drop me or stop complaining, whichever you're capable of.

[@dclark142002]

Preach. Cecile would have been better advised just to shrug and wheel suck for a bit if she didn't think dropping was possible.

[@Foudzing]

Oh a wheel sucker

[@oldfrend]

completely missed the point. no one's winning a solo breakaway. their ONLY chance of winning is to work hard TOGETHER to stay away from the peloton. clueless comment as usual for youtube.

[@dclark142002]

@@oldfrend, as if people are only in the breakaway to win the stage... Don't ignore the fact that it's a team race and there are reasons to be in the break not to win personally. There is also something to be said for not pulling a better sprinter to the finish.

[@Rene-kg7pf]

Go get them Cecilie... else u just need break away from the breakaway

[@JaemanEdwards]

Did you see her performance at the world championships in Australia last year ?

[@Biggfred]

Race smarter not harder. If you can’t drop me and I’m on your wheel, that’s your problem. But if you’re on my wheel, f-off and take a pull 😂

[@zipp2371]

Every team has its own tactical plan, deal with it. But you can always try😊

[@figa9963]

Thats me on every ride 😅

[@Djuntas]

Funny how good the sound picked up on the mic. From what race was this? Normally there is no way you understand what they say.

[@shicehouse]

It depends on the speed. At mens speed, you wouldnt understand a word😅

[@Djuntas]

@@shicehouse We'll ^^ I think it would be fun to have hot-mics more often but also some privacy reasons.

[@gcnracing]

Dwars door Vlaanderen

[@tsaoh5572]

@@Djuntas I don’t really get why not. Look at Formula 1, that works just fine. Just beep the swear words out and don’t get so upset over some of the language that is being used. It would also go a long way in making the sport more transparent and increasing trust in the sport

[@Djuntas]

@@tsaoh5572 Oh I just meant team tactics etc.

[@lunarsabbatical7906]

I keep hearing are you kidding me and it’s keeping me awake at night

[@goche8046]

Stay your ground. Don't listen to that bs. She don't know your legs, she don't know your (team) tactics. She's just trying to get into your head.

[@gettysb19]

exactly! Tbh, I would do the exact same thing in either rider's shoes. Either refuse to pull or guilt trip others into helping, that's racing.

[@markrskinner]

There's a rule that says you MUST take turns on the front. Wait, no there isn't.

[@vagibence00]

There is a thing called sportsmanship tho..

[@daveblack2602]

There's common sense which says if you don't take a turn in a breakaway then the breakaway is less likely to succeed. If you don't want to work for the gap, what are you doing in the breakaway? Go back to the group where you belong.

[@michaelsteele5495]

@@daveblack2602 What if they don't want the break to succeed? Your summary is overly simplistic. Many times teams stick a satellite rider in the break to help someone bridge over later. There are numerous tactical reasons to not work in a break. For example, If you are in a break with Remco or Pog... why would you work?

[@adaml5473]

its best for their common interest

[@phpFreNZy]

theres no rule that a dog cant play basketball

[@jaykwondo]

It's a sport, playing to her advantage

[@simongreig6764]

Its also a race and the other riders have different tactics for an outcome they desire.

[@sjbeetle29]

I LOVE Cecile!

[@johnmbrown7515]

Dainty and proper women swear like sailors in a situation like that. Surprised the air wasn't blue!

[@L-dw5sx]

Should of just sat on her wheel and let her cry more 😢

[@marianbundel1229]

Kitchen!

[@blackcyclist]

Happy to draft 😂😂

[@BJW-010]

Double it and give it to the next one

[@getsomemtb7427]

Glass crankers! Don't you just love them?

[@hippo4g93]

NOT MY TURN , THEN WTF YOU DOING 2nd wheel in a break

[@dclark142002]

Slowing the break...pretty obvious when you think about it.

[@hippo4g93]

@@dclark142002 would attack that when at the back of the rotation

[@andreaskuckuck5829]

She does the job for her team. The danish rider just tries to make her forget about that by trying to get into her mind.

[@hippo4g93]

@@andreaskuckuck5829 na bro if you in a break you work simple as that , or it shows what type of person you are

[@1450JackCade]

This is me on the trail when I ride up from behind someone and pass them because the pace that I've set for myself for the day is faster than the pace they've accept themselves, and as I pass them the accelerate, sometimes trying to run me off the trail or into the oncoming walkers or cyclists. Then they try to hang with me, as if they're saying no you're not passing me I'm faster than you. Like it's, bro, you were riding your ride I was riding my ride I'm passing you riding my ride and my pace. I had a dude do this to me yesterday, killing himself to keep up with me, and eventually cut out a section of the trail across the road to get ahead of me and I still almost passed him a second time. Weirdo. And I was riding casual, he looked to be about 10 years younger at least than my 50 something years and he definitely was about 70 lb lighter than me, his bike looked to be about as good as mine so he's kind of a twit. And it was also the last ride of my week as well. I'm not sure, but I think he was just starting his ride and I was halfway through a 20 mile ride when we met. There's a lot of douches on the backs of bikes, I'm sorry but it's true. This incident was not an isolated event but one of many anecdotes i've experienced as a solo cyclist.

[@jtleon7086]

Im new to cycling (started this yr), anytime i have a chance to jump on someone's wheel, i do it. Is that against cycling ediquette?

[@MikeStarr1000]

Guilting others is a strategy, just like crystal cranking in a break. Chess on wheels

[@umbertofaggin3301]

For all those who say "stay behind until you can" probably u guys don't understand that if u don't take turns you lose the breakaway and at that moment it has been useless staying behind.

[@sepg5084]

There are at least two teammates at that break away, no need to take orders from a rider that's not a teammate unless ABSOLUTELY necessary.

[@richard7059]

100% bro . She is lucky it’s pc 2020s where you don’t get a smack in the mouth for bludging like u would have in a heartbeat in the 90s

[@whysoseriouzz]

Sagan had the same problems

[@raahauge]

Cancellara had the same problems with Sagan on his wheel.

[@phantomking1721]

Cant really blame em i mean this sport is also part mind game where small things would affect the entire race like ruining another teams momentum or wasting their stamina or causing them to lose time

[@samirderbal1076]

😂😂😂😂You want to stay behind until you win.

[@louisevillebrun3854]

Through off their breathing and cadence 😮it works sometimes

[@commonsensethecynosure1639]

I understand the tactic nevertheless I do not like wheel suckers especially those who win. One comes to mind from last month's Vuelta, Gaia Realini wheel sucked Annemiek van Vleuten to a stage win.

[@Bob-ts2tu]

when i raced, or even on club bashes, capable people who didn't take their turn used to annony the hell out of many of us and would get a deserved reputation

[@DecentGatsby]

Im so glad people experience this type of stuff and it’s not just me. I’m on a team and people will get so pissed at me for not pulling- *I’m on a team* ! I don’t owe you shit, not even a draft. Unless we’re wearing the same jersey, stfu

[@billbobagginsbonham9239]

Its ok, because I would break check you my friend. You will not wheel me!!!!!!

[@reddiver7293]

Winning by not taking your turn in the front: There's always someone. Most of the time most riders are polite. But they all know and they all hold these people in quiet contempt.

[@TalonMerlin777]

Or someone else skipped their turn and that pissed her off, because then she had to pull more frequently than the others.

[@theMosen]

​@@TalonMerlin777 No one has to do anything. The people in the breakaway who want it to stay ahead will put in the work, the people who don't care and just want to keep up with the front won't.

[@joe-bg6ij]

I think she said you are to fast and i can relate as much as a absolute amateur can sometimes its all you got to just hang in there

[@iancesar816]

True. Breakaways are supposed to help each other...lol

[@jameslopez958]

I was taught by my Cycling Coach you race as a Team! When you are in the Breakaway! You become a team and you take your Turn Up Front! 👍✌️😎

[@JaemanEdwards]

Your cycling coach was wrong although it depends on if you want your teammates to get back on, or if you are trying to distance the chases.

[@waynesmith4589]

It’s a f*cking race !! you can do whatever you want, depends on the situation.

[@roadracer1584]

I like looking at those cute behinds! I was the bike seat!

[@grt49er]

This is happens in local weekly rides as well. Every group seems to have an enforcer like in hockey. It makes sense to actually only want people in a ride that can hold their on. It’s still odd when you see it happen the first time.

[@houman2009]

Kidding me 😂 and she passed her while the red one was babbling are u kidding me😂

[@Idaagnethefr]

Wait Lidl is danish. It was a sign that it was on and they are talking English❤

[@oneilljryan]

Happens all the time, why is she surprised 😨🤠😂

[@invalice123]

That’s racing.

[@BenStorick]

Ride your ride.

[@capio78]

I wish I was competitive enough to do this because what I lack in talent and fitness I'd make up for in high quality trash talk

[@Jaq365]

What we don't see is how long #3131 was on the front herself, so maybe she's just 'draft shaming'. Bike racing is part physical and part psychological.

[@harrynamkoong3361]

It's just 31.

[@Jaq365]

@@harrynamkoong3361 Yup, I see that now. When I was racing, they handed you one or two paper numbers and 4 or 8 tiny safety pins. Peel & stick would have been much easier!

[@harrynamkoong3361]

@@Jaq365 Yup I think you got tricked b/c #31 was so neat that she stuck two bib numbers to make it look like they are one giant bib. If you look at #172, it's clear she has two bibs. #83 and #31 not as clear.

[@JaemanEdwards]

​@@Jaq365 she's one of the worst offenders. See the world championships in Australia last year. It's on KZbin.

[@hansfeiertag6534]

I would tell her to shut up.

[@sepg5084]

If it is not my teammate, i ain't taking orders from them. I'd only go in front if it will help my chances of winning.

[@danielbum912]

I suppose their point is that it would indeed help the chances of winning for everyone in the breakaway if everyone takes their turn. But yeah, if you have your own team tactics in mind, ignore the chatter.

[@DecentGatsby]

Vs a stronger sprinter, I did the same thing. Totally agreed. People get upset at you-despite not wearing the same jersey lol

[@kchall5]

This is a bike race, not a group ride.

[@jeffstewart7439]

Yes! Yes, I am kidding you! #STAY_CYCLING_MY_FRIENDS

[@santiagobenites]

You tell her, Cecilie!

[@JaemanEdwards]

She can't talk, she's one of the worst offenders. See the world championships in Australia last year. It's on KZbin. She was in a leading group of five with no teammates behind. She would do the odd false pull for 15 seconds before pulling over. In the last 5 km, nothing. The result ? No one in that five ended up on the podium. This is why she is despised amongst the peleton.

[@diegoeleazar9154]

It's about strategy. She might not be a sprinter or alone.

[@slowcyclist4324]

I’ve always thought that cycling was always about just a cyclist and their bicycle, supported by a full team of riders, supported by a fleet of vehicles, managed remotely by a data crunching team manager. Truly, a simple sport indeed.

[@Stellar001100]

Are there any solo person races in pro road cycling? Is it all just teams?

[@FunElite]

Time trials

[@Joshuavoice29]

I love Cecile. She never holds back.

[@desmondyap5391]

Now thats how breakaways should be done

[@someperson8151]

​@@desmondyap5391 unless the rider is protecting her team leader in the peleton.

[@DecentGatsby]

@@someperson8151 agreed. I think that lady is doing the correct move. You catch a breakaway to bring it back or link the two( if your teams not there). Why pull for someone that isn’t your teammate?

[@theMosen]

Even if she's not helping her team, she is under no obligation to push the breakaway forward. She might just be trying to keep up with the front while conserving as much energy as possible and not actually care that much if the main group catches them. It's her choice. If others in the breakaway want is to stay ahead, they're gonna have to put in the work.

[@pinto62]

Bike racing 101.

[@Steven_Snary-TBR]

I am in the breakaway to just root you on!

[@racingsloth5770]

yes...she is kidding you

[@djixdrafr]

I love you miss❤

[@baandoptager]

It's a competition. You don't have to do jack-sh1t. It's called playing it strategic.

[@serk7947]

Did this one switch fom dive in too cyckling

[@dylanm691]

can someone explain to me this scenario and whats happening? i dont know anything about cycling culture and what not but it seems interesting.

[@samholder196]

tactics, folks

[@bengt_axle]

I'd just like to see them just slow down and let that person who is not doing any work get away alone. Then, have four of them chase her down at the last moment.

[@tychoMX]

would not work. Either the rider just slows to a standstill or just catches back up as the riders overtake her. What works is systematically attack them in turns. At some point someone gets away and the wheelsucker gets stuck behind the unlucky person that didn't get away. The wheelsucker is always depending on the breakaway needing to work together to stay away. Might even be by design - if the Cofidis rider here is NOT the designated leader her job would be to either get a free ride to the finish or disrupt the group enough so that the team leader can catch up and get a result.

[@kennykaniff]

Ladies this is what you are like to us (the husbands)😂 I say that all in fun and don't take it serious. 🤘🇬🇧

[@fabianchristen368]

Fisher-Black joined the chat😂

[@Fishforage]

That’s bike racing .. as long as she pulls through gives a few peddle strokes before she comes off the front then so be it

[@JamesBrown-zu8iv]

Fun fact: Let overtake, change the pace control.

[@RobertCoscione]

Chick fight

[@kart182]

What does “disrupting a breakaway” mean and how is it applied to this video?

[@johntharp22]

If 100 riders start a 100 mile race, why often happens is that a small handful of riders will ride away from the rest at an early part of the race. They are gambling that, if they work hard enough, the large group behind them may not be able to catch them before the finish. If the breakaway riders want the best chance of success, they will rotate who is in the front of their little group (the front rider uses significantly more energy because they have to cut through the wind; the riders behind the front rider conserve energy). The odds are against the breakaway because if there are five of them taking turns, and each rider is doing an equal share, they are all at the front 1/5 of the time, while the riders in the larger bunch behind them are only contending with the wind 1/95 of the time, so they use less energy. The breakaway riders often don’t do equal work at the front, though. One rider might be stronger than the rest, so the rest will try to wear out the strongest before the finish. (There are many reasons why a rider won’t contribute to the breakaway they are in, sometimes for the simple reason that they are exhausted and simply can’t muster any more energy). No matter the reason, the sooner the breakaway stops working together, the more likely it is they will be caught by the larger group behind, so when riders inevitably stop working together, sometimes frustration flares up in those who want the breakaway to keep sharing the work.

[@deepsi181]

Shout out to Pogacar then lmao

[@waterdeptworker]

The Front does 99% of the work and the others are getting free draft.

[@yannickokpara4861]

Umm... no... it's more like 60-80% work behind as the 2nd rider depending on the aerodynamics and stature of the rider in front.

[@MM93_SV5]

Yeah mate that’s her job to be in the breakaway, but not work in the breakaway.

[@harveysanchez7001]

That is different teams right?

[@BobbyL80123]

eh, oftentimes opposing teams put someone in a breakaway to disrupt it and slow it down. not taking a turn at the front is one way to do it.

[@etherealdreams7936]

This minor spat screwed up their data ! Heart rate up, cadence & speed down 😂

[@curryhorst]

Remember Cecil @worldchamps in Australia?! She deserves to take the wind in front all day long...

[@JaemanEdwards]

Yes, Despicable. The crazy thing is that within that leading group of five, she would have had a good chance for gold. She definitely would have ended up on the podium. Bad move Cecile.

[@BlueMoonDrinker]

Stumbled upon this randomly. Can someone explain what's happening?

[@trentvlak]

It's like when you're playing poker and the other player asks you what your cards are.

[@JaemanEdwards]

The rider at the front catches all the wind resistance while the following riders are shielded. Science says that this means they save up to 20 % energy.

[@JaemanEdwards]

​@@trentvlak bad analogy. try again.

[@anthonyR13]

When you have no friends it doesn't matter

[@alexbonzi]

In my experience "good" cycling tactics are v much dictated by circumstance, that is the same rider may decide it is in their best interest to take a turn pulling in a breakaway or not depending on a number of factors of which wider race dynamics and personal state of fitness are just two. Fundamental approach is flawed

[@JaemanEdwards]

At the world championships last year in Australia, this rider Cecile Uttrup Ludwig was in a leading group of five with no teammates behind. She would do the odd false pull for 15 seconds before pulling over. In the last 5 km, nothing. The result ? No one in that five ended up on the podium. This is why she is despised amongst the peleton.

[@amirpatawari1421]

Salam, di KK, mana boleh dapat basikal Calypso ni?