Shower Remodel Day 4 --- PEX Plumbing

[@dchurch911]

Thank you for sharing your expertise. Your videos have guided me through my first tiled shower. Thanks to you (Sal & Lanberg) it turned out beautiful and I'm confident it was done right! Our 40 year old tub/shower had to go out an exterior wall, rebuild the floor... I replaced the old copper with PEX:) Thank you so much, keep up the great work and keep spreading the ❤️

[@colingomez8949]

Im a Master Plumber. I havnt seen a tile guy do this good with plumbing. Good job. And good on you for investing in Uponor.

[@Jared-Kreate]

A lot of people trying to find things wrong with that plumbing… 😂 My licensed plumber and myself (licensed GC) have plumbed countless showers just like that. I really enjoy plumbing now. Good job!

[@johnstran]

Great job. Nice to see you working on the fitting and shower components.

[@S_a_n22]

I applaud the patience. 💪

[@kenwright2225]

Amazing...guy talking to you, filming, music, trying to concentrate and not a single cuss word. I wish I had his patience.

[@royreynaga4923]

Love the vibe of the video. Feels like im at work.

[@edzaffina9785]

Are you giving us the silent treatment ! Lol! Like it better when you threw your classes! Thank you !

[@smurray470]

at 17:17, what is that piece called that comes out of the drop-ear elbow for the shower arm attachment/stub out?

[@TimberWolfechfi]

he is using pex A not pex B (all over at every home depot). Pex A is only carried at every other home depot and every other lowes.

[@Nativtexan2]

Never seen this type of PEX before. I think I am in love.

[@MNHomesNetwork]

you can also buy quick connect brass fittings that require no soldering. stupid fast and no pinhole problems...

[@tahaahmed5617]

​@MNHomesNetwork Sharkbite? I wont use it behind wall

[@zelleo]

How do you prefer to waterproof up to this non circular valve? Normally you could use "Waterproofing 4-1/2" Mixing Valve Seal"

[@sonofthunder.]

made me smile when i saw you deburr

[@travisk5589]

Isaac, Great looking install. I like that you used a long section of pipe with minimal fittings to get to the lower drop ear elbow. Do you check you shower head elbows for level? Those uponor pex to sweat male fittings can but a pain to solder. The flange of the fitting can make it tough to get solder into the joint. Its another reason why I like using premade 90 degree stub outs on the inlet side. I also like using those shark bite caps during my tear outs. When I remove them I will pull them off but also cut another inch or 2 of pipe off if there is enough pipe to do so. Those shark bites have silicone grease in them and the residue can inhibit soldering unless cleaned with a solvent. Silicone grease can withstand temps of up to 600 degrees which is within soldering temps.

[@drmechanicalchannel7641]

I had no idea about that silicone grease. Thanks for sharing

[@jonnymiskatonic]

My buddy bought me one of those pex expanders great piece of kit.

[@steveb1370]

Hey what distance into the stud do you have to drill?

[@sonofthunder.]

put the flame away from joint the heat will suck it up,love ya coach

[@jmartin015]

So why not use the screw on pex adapter on the valve vice the soldier adapters?

[@prestonbrown8273]

Threaded fittings more likely to leak overtime. With it being in the wall it’s not ideal as you most likely won’t notice until significant damage has occurred

[@Red_Twizzler]

It would have taken up too much space

[@MNHomesNetwork]

@@prestonbrown8273 ive fixed 3 soldered valves this year alone that were leaking. no way that the threaded female adapters leak when used with quality tape or putty and tightened down like hell.

[@SuperShred1]

did you use pex b with pex a collars?

[@buellfuel2001]

How deep do you mount your valve to have it come out right with the tile?

[@tahaahmed5617]

Good question i was wondering samething..according to instructions your black trim should be flush with final wall..

[@ajducey1868]

Awesome video Isaac!! Can you leave a link to that shower valve please?

[@MrFishone777]

How does your pex gun and connection rings work? Is it stretching the pex or what? Heating it up maybe.

[@jeepxj]

stretch.

[@seanm3226]

No heat. Simply expansion.

[@FixthisCD]

Must use pex A tubing for this, this tubing will try to shrink back to original size

[@mathusvaiaoga9787]

Pex A... stretch

[@MrFishone777]

@@FixthisCD Thanks

[@jasonlunn8530]

looks like delta still hasnt corrected the r22000 on that one fastner bs attaching the plaster ring to valve. the couple of time i used those i just tapped it through and added one on the other side. btw, sweat to pex 90 elbows are available.

[@sonofthunder.]

i like the various cartridge options 3 or 6 function

[@omarhernandez9273]

I have question? We are trying to do tile on a toilet room but has semigloss paint on the wall. Can we doing or is better to take out the drywall and new drywall. Thanks.

[@CJ-vd2zh]

I've never seen anyone solder a connection into a threaded fitting, is this a better or more reliable connection than the threaded pex elbow adapter?

[@Participant616]

I was going to post exactly this. Wtf.

[@deman817]

It's either or, and solder does have a greater connection rate with wear over the years to remain water tight compared to a threaded connection. I always solder my connections at the diverter valve.

[@pf5658]

I think he was probably just trying to create a way to adapt the pex connection. That’s the only reason I can think of. I doubt it’s because it’s a better connection.

[@Red_Twizzler]

You have obviously never soldiered plumbing. It’s designed to be a thread or sweat connection.

[@Participant616]

@@Red_Twizzler To be honest it's a bit old fashioned these days. Old school and unnecessary with all the technology out there.

[@TR4Ajim]

Prior to wallboard, where the PEX passes through the framing, are you required to put metal plates on the studs, or is that optional? Seems like a good idea to me.

[@Stevelemontrudy]

not sure if it's required everywhere, but the nail plates are so cheap, and so easy to install, it's a great idea to do it no matter what. It'll protect you, and any future worker that has no idea where you put the plumbing or electric.

[@ryangunderson5064]

Yeah they can save your ass but I usually mark where I cannot screw into the wallboard and pop this plates off. They can really screw up the flatness of your walls

[@TR4Ajim]

@@ryangunderson5064 yeah but the problem is later on when someone goes to hang a shelf or something and puts a nail/screw through the pipe. I’ve saw a case where someone installed a closet organizer in a closet on the opposite side of a wall from a shower. Found a stud but drove a nail right through a copper pipe going through it!

[@ryangunderson5064]

@@TR4Ajim That is a great point i haven't thought of. I only take off on shower side of stud but you I guess you never know when someone goes to hang something. This is why pics of rough ins are so important. Because if someone were to drill through the tile and hit a plate, j would still be making a trip to replace the tile that now has hole in it 😂. Not as big of a deal as a leak obviously but still annoying. Your right though I should prolly be leaving them on

[@Aaron86v]

If it was a new home, im sure it is, but obviously the same person is doing the plumbing and tiling here, so he doesn't need them, plus it warps out the backer board a little. Tile guys will usually remove them and mark where not to screw.

[@ervinlosha1333]

This guy is the real deal

[@RedNeckBiker109]

how do you know how deeply to set the valves into the wall?

[@racecarrr]

Do you have to be licensed in Cali for that stuff?

[@russellgerke4939]

How dose that crimp tool work??

[@BerryMcCaulkiner859]

Love those r22000 delta diverters

[@Bigbacon]

just out of curiosity, why solder over just female threaded pex barbs at least on the valve?

[@cscrignaro]

How do you determine the depth of your water on/off controls?

[@lesg9604]

The exterior trim tells you that in most cases I’ve seen that it should be mounted in such a way that its flush to the finish edge of the wall

[@Red_Twizzler]

Read the instructions

[@Stevesbe]

Tile guys can do plumbing work in California?

[@robbob4872]

No, plumbers can do tile work though..

[@Ride_Lift_Range]

Isn’t this pex recalled?

[@dorinb4085]

You da man Issac!

[@sonofthunder.]

i add a bit of silicone grease to the water stop o rings

[@grrinc]

Are Pex fittings not considered temporary? Like Shark Bite? Should they be buried?

[@ThePedrogiardini]

Shark bite isn't a "temporary" use neither is PEX fittings. I have used both on my jobs and never ever had a single problem for almost 18 years.

[@grrinc]

@@ThePedrogiardini They are considered ‘permanent connections’? I commenter below mentioned Shark Bite shouldn’t be buried or inaccessible because it is union style joint and not considered permanent. He mentioned the plumbing regulations

[@ThePedrogiardini]

@@grrinc you're wrong again, sharkbite is approved internationally by IAPMO it can be installed underground or inside the walls. Shark bites has at least 4 certifications and it is approved as permanent joint. I've used it for at least 18 years never had a single problem. You're probably a full of crap plumber that always say shit about it because it made plumbing much easier and faster for people. I'm gonna start to call sharkbite as plumber's nightmare

[@leosheremet5298]

Very good job. Super.

[@sonofthunder.]

dang i like the expander tool uponor?

[@bluearcherx]

looks to me like he's using pex B. uponor no longer has the market cornered on expansion pex, most major pex B brands are rated for this now (ATSM F1960)

[@TileCoach]

Yes, it is the Milwaukee 12v for uponor fittings.

[@firsttimeforeverything941]

@@TileCoach $$$

[@carmenevans7651]

Watching this I'm struck by the advances that have been made in making plumbing simpler and easier.

[@travisk5589]

I agree, But The people in Colorado wouldn't call them advances. They would call it the type of pipe/fittings that are used in RV's. But we know better.

[@carmenevans7651]

@@travisk5589 when you think about it, the plumbing in an RV has to be made to withstand movement. While a house, typically doesn't move. Earthquakes, hurricanes, and tornadoes would be the exception.

[@travisk5589]

@@carmenevans7651 the rv thing is an inside joke that not many people will get.

[@Participant616]

None of this seems as simple as it could be. Push fit Speedfit or Hep20 is even easier.

[@carmenevans7651]

@@travisk5589 not being an RV insider I wouldn't get it. But having done plumbing with a torch and solder, I look at PEX as a God send.

[@sonofthunder.]

i try to keep the flame outa the joint heat the valve,or fitting,....you know this

[@serge.crispino418]

First here - best wishes from Australia !

[@AbRa285]

where is day 1, 2 & 3 ?

[@EDHBlvd]

Issac, I have noticed the valve bodies always have threads on the connection points. Is there some area where they use those threaded connections instead of soldering? I assume it’s a leak risk just being threaded on.

[@travisk5589]

They are considered universal connections. Threaded will not leak if done correctly. I have used the threads back when the valve had either threads or was made to sweat. Now they are mostly universal.

[@Jahkrel]

We use them in Canada at least on East Coast. Very convenient but its not tight like a solder connection. Usually u leave access if u do it this way.

[@ThielTube]

they are used when you have older threaded water lines like galvanized lines. There is still easy 40% of the US still actively using these lines.

[@Cesarecuador]

Gracias

[@bobkmac]

Hey TileCoach, you might want to be careful with the music in the background... Some youtubers have been hit with copyright issues.

[@mathusvaiaoga9787]

Was that the homeowner asking 21 questions??? Lol. Like dang man. We know Isaac is cool but let the man do his thing. Lol

[@bluearcherx]

no that's a guy on his crew

[@pradippradip6633]

Cnc brass fitting in

[@VICKYIRIS007]

As a tille installer, can you do plumbing? Or how did you manage plumbing, can be done? I like to do it to!!

[@helpme8970]

Yes you can as long as you have your license especially up in California since pretty much everything has to get inspected there

[@krehbein]

Next time you can use a straight 1/2” slip to pex adapter then use pex elbows. Lot less soldering.

[@ThePedrogiardini]

Yeah. I've use that on my previous job. Didn't have to use my torch at all

[@harryjohnson9656]

Never seen someone use wirsbow fittings ad rings on pex pipe before

[@bluearcherx]

where else would you use them?

[@harryjohnson9656]

@@bluearcherx you would use them with the proper pex a pipe or wirsbow as it called . Pretty sure the pipe here in the video is pex b pipe wich requires different fittings and steel pinch rings and isn't meant to be expanded like here in the video

[@travisk5589]

@@harryjohnson9656 Blue archer is wrong. This is pex A. You can tell by the vibrant color and the semi transparent pipe.

[@eltonnoway7864]

Sorry. Not the best example of soldering... 06:47 to 7.14 (and earlier) putting the solder into the path of the flame.. allowing the flame to melt the solder rather than the heat of the fitting.

[@par3me]

Pex A is the only way. I would never use Pex B or press crimp.

[@Bradini267]

Customer over your shoulder, that’s the worst. Buddy if your watching this, don’t be that guy.

[@FixthisCD]

I think that is his co-worker ;)

[@bluearcherx]

that's definitely a guy on his crew

[@dustyflair]

@@bluearcherx if that is a guy in his crew then he is a rookie greenhorn...why would he be with the ACE?

[@MandoFettOG]

@@dustyflair who else better to learn from??

[@thomasschafer7268]

What are the roomtemperatures? -10°C? Why gloves?😂😂😂😂

[@adrianplazola8575]

Are you up for some little music or do you want to stay quiet

[@kyletyson8129]

For god sake get a pex ready valve

[@cfomusic73]

I was thinking same thing...... Why spend all that time converting when could have just either used copper and spent less time or just get a tough in valve that already had the PEX built in. Cost less than buying all those adapters and wasting time as well. But maybe Isaac didn't know they're available with a PEX option.

[@bluearcherx]

@@cfomusic73 not every brand has them, not even close. maybe home owner picked hardware that didn't have it

[@cfomusic73]

@@bluearcherx I can definitely agree with you on that. But I often help my customer's and guide them in purchasing certain products that I trust... But most of the time I purchase the shower rough in and finishes and add them to the invoice. As a contractor/home remodeler we need to use the same products that we trust so we don't get a call back. I will never install a product that a homeowner purchased.....Especially if it's an off brand. But that rough in was a Delta and I do trust them. You can order the rough-ins with PEX already molded into the body. Alittle bit extra but worth the time saving. Just my opinion. Everyone has they're own way. There is no right or wrong way.

[@krehbein]

Last I checked delta valve bodies don’t come pex ready

[@cfomusic73]

@@krehbein you have to get at a plumbing supply place. Not available at big box stores. As a contractor I buy all my plumbing supplies at a plumbing supply place. Better quality

[@Red_Twizzler]

Congrats on using discontinued PEX

[@tommynguyen8942]

I use the sharkbite 1/2”- 1/2” NPSM female swivel elbow when, I rough in those valves and diverters. Saves me time and no sweating involves. And I actually like sweating!

[@chrismallory3718]

You really shouldn't bury push to connect fittings in walls, im a service plumber and see failure pretty frequently

[@bluearcherx]

@@chrismallory3718"frequently" ?

[@chrismallory3718]

@@bluearcherx yes, I lost count of how many I've removed and use proper fittings. Shark bites are ok in temporary situations but burying them in a wall is a big no no

[@ThielTube]

SharkBite fitting are not allowed to be buried in a wall. they need to be fully accessible per the national plumbing code. They are not rated as a "Permanent Connection" as they only rely on a very small o-ring for the connection. ANY connection that relies on a union style fitting needs to be fully accessible as well

[@tommynguyen8942]

@@chrismallory3718 they are threaded. Not every sharkbite is push on.

[@vic_theplumbert8212]

As you are a perfectionist in tile work this isn’t perfection in plumbing. The other plumber must be a low quality plumber. Yeah pex has flexibility but a quality plumber takes greater pride in running his water lines neatly a formal looking. Steve Jobs father once told Steve when he was building a fence, to make the back side of the fence as pretty as the front side . Steve job was a perfectionist. Take pride in plumbing. I don’t just advertise Quality, I deliver it. And pex was designed for flexibility but to allow the pipe to expand in case of a freeze, not to throw it in like spaghetti. Having a master license doesn’t make you a quality plumber. And yes I too hold a master, an RMP at that, so what I’m saying it’s not a big ego it’s pride of being a plumber. Heck I’ve worked as a plumber for to long to be a half azz plumber who make excuses for why it’s better to not use fittings. Quality… it’s all about taking pride in being a true tradesman/women.

[@daltonlopez4623]

Less unions less opportunities to fail. I don't see the problem

[@ryanfrizz]

By my understanding forming and looping pex is way better than using 90's, the more fittings you use the more the flow is restricted since the fittings have a smaller diameter than the pex itself. Obv you don't want to bend it until it kinks I didn't see any of that here

[@vic_theplumbert8212]

Trust me I’ve Repiped so many homes that have 90’s and tees and every homeowner have always praised how great the pressure has increased. I used to think like many who start off using fittings. It sounds logical but in my experience fittings don’t restrict, lol. Honestly it’s lazy. I am all about quality and appearance even if it will covered by Sheetrock, I know if it was thrown together.

[@vic_theplumbert8212]

That’s the problem with many who accept the short cut way out. And I don’t blame homeowners when they complain about pricing. If I see that a licensed plumber performs like a handyman he deserves to lower his pricing. I didn’t go for my journeyman for nothing, I had a vision of going for my master. And once I had it why then start with not caring about my work. Look all I’m saying is if your gonna be a plumber then be a plumber. I didn’t get this far as a plumber “RMP” to say well I made it to the top so now I don’t care about the trade and delivering quality. I don’t just advertise quality I deliver it. Not like many who say their quality but plumb like a rookie who’s not hungry to master his trade. This tiler here is a good tiler but as a plumber, he’s not a quality plumber. Heck he’s probably not even an apprentice. Walk it like you talk it, plumbers.

[@Anytus2007]

@@vic_theplumbert8212 If you're talking about PEX-A, then sure, the fittings are basically the same internal diameter as the pipe, so there isn't a significant flow restriction. Similarly with copper. PEX-B is a different story and that's what a lot of the advice to minimize the number of fittings is aimed at. There's also the issue of pressure drop when using PEX fittings, especially the poly plastic ones. It may not be an issue where you live and work. But here we have quite a lot of bored well water supply systems, so the pressure coming into the house is quite a bit less than what you get on a municipal water system. The water also tends to be quite hard without a dedicated water softener system. To my mind, that calls for a 2-step solution. First, use poly plastic fittings over brass to eliminate degradation due to mineral deposits (I had to replumb my own house after about 30 years due to pinhole leaks in copper from mineral degradation). Second, minimize the number of fittings that you have to use to maintain the highest pressure possible to the fixtures.

[@noelmedina4627]

It’s very annoying to have the client sitting and watching you work. Especially, with all the small talk. Let me work please. Im in my zone. 💪🏽

[@Red_Twizzler]

I only mess up when someone is watching and talking to me. And when I do, I definitely let them know it.

[@seanhartnett9753]

not bad for a tile guy.

[@kylecox331]

👍

[@andrewmoore1536]

The KZbin plumbers in the comment section always make me lol

[@mikedeloso6831]

A customer gets what they deserve when they allow a roofer, electrician, tile man, or auto mechanic to do plumbing just because they think they can. In my opinion, its the difference between your product lasting 20 years or 100 plus years. There is a reason we have licenses folks. Some contractors make thier living off the ignorant.

[@isaacholzwarth]

Are you saying he did a bad job?

[@AFS-ht7bg]

Or just do it yourself. It's not rocket science.

[@Jared-Kreate]

What’s going to fail on that install in 20 years?

[@rafaelflores899]

Nothing last for a 100year now. Stop hating

[@ccmtech6742]

You aren't kidding. After seeing him sweat those pipes I feel for that home owner.

[@pradippradip6633]

From India Gujarat in jamnagar

[@zardoz2627]

Too bad those expanders are 400 bucks.

[@TileCoach]

You will make it up on a few jobs of saved labor! We love this tool.

[@zardoz2627]

@@TileCoach just a diy'er but I redid my whole house with manifolds and pex 10 years ago. Had to go with the crimped on connectors due to cost though. Still works great and I'm happy

[@krehbein]

Dewalt has one that is $320 without the battery. Makes plumbing go fast and no worrying about bad solder joints.

[@Anytus2007]

@@zardoz2627 For a DIY who isn't very concerned about speed, they also make a manual pex expander tool. Its like $100, which isn't a ton more than the crimp tools.

[@tman3036]

Go away homeowner let me work undisturbed... the music is as bad as the small talk haha

[@brock8830]

First the positives: 1. Milwaukee expansion tool 🔥 2. Uponor PEX 🔥 3. Love the laser level in valve Negatives: 1. Delta valves or delta anything 👎💩 2. Uponor colored PEX has been discontinued due to failure. Now it's all clear with red and blue lettering. 3. Wall is completely open and you run PEX to shower head? Cmon' man 4. Personally like to have at least 12 to 16 inches of copper coming out of valve body. 5. Upgrade that torch and flux 6. And the biggest issue of all ...... DeWalt impact 😒

[@jrhenry24]

What torch and flux?

[@ThePedrogiardini]

Full of crap guy detected.