“SHOWGIRLS” IS BAD IN A WAY THAT IS HARD TO EXPLAIN | BAD MOVIES & A BEAT | KennieJD

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[@KennieJD]

42:55 So, have my opinions changed? No, LMFAOOOOO. The documentary is just better at explaining all of the things that I hate about the movie. However, the documentary takes a much more charitable look at the duality of Showgirls, and the way it exists as BOTH a piece of shit and a campish masterpiece, a Masterfully Campish Piece of Shit. It is both bad and good, and not just “it’s so bad it’s good.” It also muses on the question of whether or not this movie is an example of a cult classic born from an attempt at seriousness. The director, Paul Verhoeven, has not been particularly consistent on whether he made the film to be a “joke” or a serious drama gone arwy. Regardless, the film is terrible and if the director doesn’t even know what he was going for, why would I? BTW, highly recommend watching the documentary. It’s called “You Don’t Nomi.” In which they kind of bring together a myriad of different interpretations of the film and its impact. It gave me a lot to think about….to ultimately come to many of the same conclusions LOL. But I really cool documentary nonetheless. With that said, the movie is definitely bad in a surreal way that you kind of want to unleash on others. But, please warn people about the r*pe scene. It’s very abrupt, so let them know.

[@MikeOfMichigan]

When recommending to others have them watch the TV edit that is on Archive.org (titled 'Showgirls (1995) - VH1 (Viacom) Edit'). It takes out the rape scene, has floaty bras covering all the bewbs, and replaces all the profanity with really funny dubbing " YOU DON'T KNOW squat"

[@chillinwithrachel]

Lyyy I make vidz

[@4somethingmore]

The big thing when this movie first came out was that the main character was formerly Jessie, the good girl feminist, from Saved by the Bell. So yea... people wanted to see it.

[@jaquelinefickert8789]

Kennie, perhaps you would consider to watch part 2? I happen to be a fan of the movie Showgirls, even though I do agree the movie IS bad. Howether I have never had the urge to watch part 2 beacouse I could tell even from the sinopsis that the 2 part is even worse. But sinse you made a video about part 1, would you make a video about part 2 as well? I would really like to hear your thoughts about it. By the way, your videos make my day. I really enjoy your sense of humor, you are one of my favorite content creators and I have been a subscriber since the beginning. Looking forward to future videos and music.

[@mimi45961]

I actually agree with you about the film Kennie, but the reason I believe that it had such sexual agression is because the entertainment industry is sexually charged, even if you don't want to be part of that crowd, like for example, you wanna just sing about how much you love your cat, people will just look at you crazy unless it's the one between your legs. More ways than one, you will be peer pressured into things that don't sit well with you, its a revolving door of bullshit within that place of work. Everyone isn't Prince, isn't Rihanna, isn't Miguel, isn't Luke James, isn't The Weeknd, or even Janet Jackson whom are all sexually charged artists. But also for the same artists I named, they have to work harder also within an industry that tries so hard to keep us out of it when black people LITERALLY made entertainment possible, but I see it as a terrible but unfortunate truthful event that happens to all black people within that industry, just behind closed doors & sometimes(mostly) visible to the public eye. Not just in the industry, but as individuals.

[@silvan_gold9343]

I HATE when writers use sexual assault as a plot point for someone other than the victim. Naomi went off and curb stomped some rapists. She's learned to be strong for others! ...Yay? I don't care. I want the friend's story now, thanks.

[@thechefette3701]

I agree. I still like this movie tho. It’s so funny

[@clover-vq2rt]

Yeah they make the assault all about the “badass pretty white girl” who dresses up in a sexy outfit to beat up ONE of the THREE rapists. Like it’s an empowering moment for Nomi to fight back and be a hero for her “weak darker less pretty friend”. Don’t you hate when men write anything?

[@kayade5305]

@@clover-vq2rt Except her friend is prettier to me. I don't succumb to white patriachy's idea of beauty. And the film sucks donkey balls.

[@periodt87]

@@kayade5305 I don’t think that’s what they meant. I think they were trying to say that is what the movie was implying, not their opinion.

[@nae7988]

Exactly! They used Molly's assault to make Nomi look like some badass. Its disgusting. Then, what truly baffles me is that she just leaves afterwards... like Molly needs all the support she can get after going through something like that.

[@parisewellington3664]

Fans: "don't take it too seriously🥰" Movie: **graphic intense rape scene**

[@brendanrouth3807]

Tbh this is the main thing that holds me back from stanning this movie the way I do other camp classics. It’s so ugly and legitimately disturbing and gross (and as Kennie mentioned racist asf). If I could like make an edit of it with that part cut out it’d be a cute little movie night with the girls and the gays.

[@Duchesscarml]

@@brendanrouth3807 Facts

[@rainyfeathers9148]

@@brendanrouth3807 Yep!

[@rainyfeathers9148]

Those "Fans twiddled their thumbs through that scene or skipped it every time they watched, to the point where they don't remember it even being there. We can only hope that's why they say that(9_9)

[@hleebeg]

Literally 👏

[@sylvias190]

"Black girl minding her business and gets the worst treatment," you said a mouthful, Queen Kennie

[@Chitownhomestead]

Still to this day... blk women problems...

[@nottodayimbusy7146]

@@Chitownhomestead it happens to everyone it's not just y'all stop it

[@zhuzhi-lang]

@@nottodayimbusy7146 it happens to.... everyone? cis-het men?? WHITE cis-het men? k

[@nottodayimbusy7146]

@@zhuzhi-lang I said what I said I've seen one of my best friends who is white get beat up because of something his brother did had nothing to do with him so like I said it happens to everyone not just blk woman

[@zhuzhi-lang]

@@nottodayimbusy7146 what did his brother do????

[@MoonDust22951]

I don't think regular strippers would even lick a pole pre-pandemic, multiple people's kitty has been on that 🤢

[@brendaleelydon]

Not to mention their sweaty buttcheeks & filthy, filthy hands (crawling on the floor & touching dollars constantly will do that to ya...) ~shudder~ No, a dancer would NEVER lick the dang pole. Mime it, maybe. Plus, you don't want it slobbered on & wet if you're doing tricks (or even just using it for balance)!

[@nikitadiamondseraph]

I am a stripper and we would never do that lol.

[@ohmygodbecky6829]

I’m going to dry heave

[@shaniquequaeakin564]

I used to dance and you would be correct. That scene rolls me every time. 😂

[@omegawicked1]

Correct. Usually they whip it down with a towel.

[@MariaClara-jj5hj]

sexual assault being used as a plot device is awful enough. the fact that it is also perpetrated against one of the few black women in the movie in a very VERY graphic scene is truly infuriating

[@KioshiWarrior]

I always skip that part, I can’t take it.

[@babbyasmr2031]

@The Dark Overlord that wasn't their point weirdo

[@Dr.Moogle]

@@Flowergoatflower I don't think her race should matter. She was a saint and doing that to her was beyond aweful. The fact the character was black shouldn't make things worse( it does) but it really shouldn't. Her race wasn't really an issue in the movie. It's just horrible writing. And the mentality that there isn't enough space for women. They had to tear one down order to "elevate" another.

[@fmadiva]

The white women in the replies just...not even trying to acknowledge intersectionality 😒 tired but not surprised

[@tosinakin2508]

@@Dr.Moogle You are right, but you're also missing the point. Race shouldn't matter, but it does.

[@dangerousatanyspeed1223]

Not the trigger warning for “white women dancing”💀💀💀

[@nadiaclinkscales8637]

That sent me to a different dimension when I saw it

[@ayannabranchcomb7535]

Bro I cackled

[@bjp1101]

I died

[@mimi45961]

That was funny 😹😹😹😹

[@erincostello7792]

I've seen this movie and it's warranted for sure 😅

[@gbnas]

can we also talk about how nomi is like supposed to be close friends with molly and then she just dips and leaves her while molly is still in the hospital??? after she got brutally attacked?? what kind of "friend" does that?

[@Michaelabeauty96]

I agree honestly and even then if anything since she did end up leaving she didn’t even have to go and beat the dude up only she could have reported to the police in the first place it’s just a mess this movie really is bad🤦🏼‍♀️

[@Hamburgerhelper426]

​@@Michaelabeauty96 The police wouldn't have taken the case considering nomi's background and the rapist's status.

[@Michaelabeauty96]

@@Hamburgerhelper426 yeah that’s fair I guess thinking more into it then

[@attitudeproblem6462]

I’d always thought she couldn’t stay after what she did. Those are some powerful assholes and dude looked at her like she was crazy for talking about calling the cops on Andrew after the attack. So she took matters into her own hands but had to flee after b/c they’d probably want to retaliate...

[@autumnr9818]

nah because this was the one thing that killed what little good the movie still had going for it at that point like… that’s probably the most traumatic thing molly’s ever been through and she just leaves??? she just looks over her like “oh the poor thing.” and dips. i went into the movie blind to who made it and that two minutes alone let me know it was only men in that writing room.

[@giancarlojacobs9982]

Side note: Nomi was the one who introduced Molly to the rapist AFTER he already made creepy advances on Nomi herself. So as far as avenging her friend goes.......yea

[@chanelhenderson8460]

Exactly

[@albertamathurin7084]

THAT PART

[@tshidi129]

Smells like a set up

[@aviianna]

It is really disgusting how Molly is written as a cautionary tale. Like what is so hard about writing a black character that isn't trauma porn.

[@AudioGAWD]

Clearly there is some rule, where it has to happen 🙃 /s

[@halfbloodprincess989]

Yeah that really upset me too when I saw the movie years ago... it sort of has a 'she was too weak' vibe.

[@mimi45961]

And she didn't deserve that shit, she deserved better. But when you think about it, this is the way black people are treated on a daily basis, even in the entertainment industry. And the film had a point to an extent that everything within the industry is sexually charged.

[@hurgenflerg2133]

Even the way it fits into the story is weird. I mean, from a storytelling perspective, the main girl should have been getting revenge for HER OWN assault because that would have fit the themes of the movie. So, it's like they went out of their way to treat a black woman like garbage.

[@SabrinaRina]

Heighten our trauma so that it's like a trophy, so when real people express hardship others react defensively like we're bragging and jump into a suffer-off. And hardship is translated to strength and growth... unless you're in it. But people really don't want to think how some awful isn't about overcoming and is about someone else needing consequences. It's some shit.

[@angelwillis173]

Can we PLEASE normalize having a separate rating for sexual assault, for some reason the film industry feels like you can put it in the same category with sexual content and nudity

[@angelwillis173]

This was prompted by Kendal being so understanding and respectful in giving the warning for the graphic non-concentual scene

[@red_velvetcake1759]

This needs to happen!

[@MsSilverTulip]

It should come under violence

[@angelwillis173]

@@MsSilverTulip I mean, it is violence, but also worse. This is more about the possible trauma triggers sexual violence can have. A person can enjoy choreographed fight scenes AND have a trauma trigger from a scene with non-concentual content. I just wish they were more blunt about movies having scenes of non-con, instead of using it as some shitty plot device or conflict or evil characterization.

[@Narutojaden]

There are websites that go into more detail… I wish more parents knew about that because you will not believe how many people brought their kids to see sausage party Thinking it was OK because it was animated even though it was rated R

[@Zikomo7]

Re the assault, has anyone noticed whenever there’s a cute black girl/woman in a white show, something horrible has to happen to her?

[@mimi45961]

......... YEP!

[@Shineynsparkles]

Exactly

[@theflowerchild8899]

Yeah

[@awesomedude5558]

I don't know about *always,* but it is true that oftentimes shows with a Black cast and white writers make it so that the Black characters go through the roughest stuff.

[@nochannel1q2321]

The point of Molly's assault is literally that she is the one good character in the movie and she faces the worst fate as a result compared to all of the negative characters that essentially are able to survive the Las Vegas entertainment world. To make it all the worse it's done by her hero that appears to be a decent guy (if taken in isolation from the rest of the movie). The whole point of it being such a shockingly violent and vicious scene is to contrast the symbol of how good people can't survive in that industry of Las Vegas.

[@sarah2172]

They literally use Molly as a plot device - let her freeload, let her get free emotional labour, let her get in's and network in the industry she wants...then gets assaulted to let her seem like the "badass" for lightly beating up only 1 of her assaulters..... DAMN I HATE IT HERE

[@letticiadelgado9865]

Showgirl’s makeup ran so that Euphoria’s makeup could walk

[@brie4623]

I was looking for this comment. So glad I found it.

[@byrnetdown6076]

if only showgirls had video quality as good as euphoria so we could rly see the looks

[@katherinethekat]

actually showgirl’s makeup was brought in by alex demie for inspiration for maddie’s makeup

[@imogenmoonlight]

@Katherine Rosario yes! Her main inspiration was crystal which is very fitting for her character.

[@homebodydev]

@@katherinethekat That makes sense they looked similar

[@nina__serafina]

There's something oddly comforting about hearing people talk about bad movies. It feels like friends hanging out. But yeah this movie sucks and further confirms that men don't know how to write women.

[@snailmucus3921]

exactly !! it almost reminds me of talking on the phone with friends

[@nina__serafina]

@The Dark Overlord I'm aware there are men who can write women well and women who can't write women well but i just feel like they're harder to come by if that makes sense.

[@contrarian9999]

@The Dark Overlord It's not sexist to admit an observation lol. Men in general cannot write women. The ones who manage to write dimensional, fleshed out female characters are few and far in between.

[@SlavaZone]

@The Dark Overlord too add to the most recent reply, usually there is a hidden female behind if a man writes women well! There are some historic studies out there that show how it was director's wives, uncredited, that worked as editors and writers and giving suggestions that led to a movie's (or book's) success. I just learned how it was George Lucus' wife who edited the original Star Wars trilogy!! She's why we have writing and characters we love so much (like Leia)!

[@arurasky]

I.mean it's probably cathartic to hear someone voice opinions you prolly felt alone in having

[@og3126]

I don't care how weird of a character Crystal is because for the whole movie she's SERVINGGGGGGGGGG✨

[@FabalociousDee]

Gina Gershon was legit the best part of this movie. She clearly didn't take it seriously, and I was here for it.

[@AbbzJordan]

She was my favorite character and I'm pretty sure she was the only one aware of wtf was going on lol

[@SadGirlsRUs]

The only character besides molly & I genuinely loved

[@onyx1654]

Gina Gershon is a goddess and a half, go see Bound if you haven't. She just slays every time.

[@osmanyousif7849]

Yeah, the movie would've been far more better if she was the protagonist, who befriends Molly. Or have Molly the protagonist who ends up working for her only for things to get shady and the friendship, sort of a play on Training Day, but with strippers. Molly sees to take Cristal down for what she's done, and maybe even quits her life of working for people like this in Vegas.

[@Avellania]

The main character is played by Elizabeth Berkley, who until that point was only known for Saved by the bell a show for teens/tweens. This movie was basically her version of Miley twerking on Robin Thicke at the VMAs. It didn't work out that well for her.

[@YeahitsMeSylvia]

Her agent dropped her and she was unable to find any major roles for years luckily she seems to be getting back into acting

[@samf.s8786]

I was just gonna say, yes it gives me that vibe. The thing is about those "Disney Starlets" trying to break out of the good girl mold is that it's hard to ignore that there are people out there counting the seconds till they become "legal". It's frankly disturbing. I get that that's who Miley really is for sure, and no one should have to pretend to be someone they're not (So good on her for staying true to herself). But again, there's normal people, and I feel like showering every time I remember "the other variety".

[@brianafleming4493]

!!!

[@CraftyVegan]

It honestly felt like a mockumentary about what happened to her Jessie character after she graduated on Saved By the Bell 🤣🤣🤣 Saved by the Bell 2: Electric Boogaloo

[@adeel-eh7xq]

She did this film to prevent herself from being typecast as Jessie from 'Saved by' but instead ruined her career for a good few years. She might have stayed relevant for a few more years if she stuck to her typical roles. I don't think anyone from that show found lasting acting fame. Mario Lopez found lasting fame from becoming a presenter.

[@shookyshani236]

PLEASE THE TW FOR “‘MEN” and “WHITE WOMEN DANCING” I CANT

[@strawberryblossom6620]

@Christopher Reynolds it's just the different types of men, focusing on the bad ones

[@yourmotherhatesyou641]

It was very necessary. We don't know of everyones trauma.

[@silvan_gold9343]

White woman here. Can confirm I dance like a dying jellyfish trying to direct traffic. Trigger warning needed.

[@tweedlebug123]

@@silvan_gold9343 As a fellow white girl who also dances absolutely horrendously, i can second that.

[@contrarian9999]

@Christopher Reynolds Why are males so sensitive that whenever anyone even makes a joke they get pressed and pull the "boohoo b-b-b-but if the sexes were reversed" card, as if the roles for every scenario in which they bring that up hasn't been reversed since the dawn of time.

[@imani0nline]

Why are black women and characters in general have to be collateral damage for everyone 🤩

[@isisgullette6428]

Off topic but you’re so pretty🥺💕

[@AudioGAWD]

Reflecting society smh

[@Tasha.Nola.Bae1]

Also particularly dark skin black women in this movie get hurt the most..there almost a hate for us by the writers

[@imani0nline]

@@Tasha.Nola.Bae1 honestly it’s so upsetting

[@AudioGAWD]

@@Tasha.Nola.Bae1 I see that in too many movies.

[@1DoctorWolf]

I feel like men who write characters like this main character fantasize over "taming" a wild girl, which is really just a toxic person you should distance from.

[@luvvvv124]

Yep. They create a character that they are turned on by but wouldn't wife up unless she has a change of some sort.

[@emptyteacup8228]

TRUUE

[@anava7030]

It’s the male version of “I can change him 🥺” but like - more sexualized

[@catsock]

@@anava7030 “i can change her?? no. i can make her subservient 😊” lol

[@buzzinbea]

This movie cannot have absolutely NO consequences for Nomi doing/saying whatever she wants and ALSO have Molly suffer the WORST consequences for doing NOTHING but be a saint. The change in tone is MIND BOGGLING! Why even have that plot point? Why not make Nomi's ultimate revenge target before leaving ZACH since he's been built up as an awful character, revealed to her how awful he is and the last thing she does is kiss his girlfriend before she leaves? Molly's assault is completely unnecessary and goes nowhere so having it in there feels unimaginably tone-deaf. You can tell some dude wrote it as just like...a THING. A random thing that happens. Ugh.

[@PungiFungi]

As this review revealed, kzbin.info/www/bejne/oXfMaq2niM6XptU, Molly's rape is a wake up call for all you who expected this film to have a typical Hollywood ending. Consider your expectations subverted.

[@beautifullEternal]

@@PungiFungi it’s actually quite a typical Hollywood ending to have the black female character suffer while the white woman gets away with it 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@anisaburhan6251]

@@PungiFungi you got ratio-ed hard

[@PungiFungi]

@@anisaburhan6251 from SJWs who didn’t even saw the video I mentioned.

[@gacha_mayaxsyx8844]

They could've just not added that in the movie, the scene was literally just there to make Nomi then afterwards go and be "badass" beating a guy (one of the assalturs) up Again the black friend is just there to make the white protagonist good looking

[@karinaazul98]

“Depending on her ph she could stain you, she could bleach you” 💀💀💀💀💀

[@theatermx]

It's so fucking true omagahhffgh

[@agoj925]

🤣🤣🤣

[@Snow-xd4rv]

@@theatermx Wait, can that actually happen?

[@theatermx]

@@Snow-xd4rv vaginal discharge does act like bleach on fabric, and that's why underwears change color in that particular area.

[@theatermx]

@@Snow-xd4rv this is the reason why daily pads/pantiliners exist

[@teasoup]

kennie talking abt her look in the beginning as if she doesn't look like a goddess in every video-

[@gorgonbaby]

She just looks more heavenly with each video

[@lenab.1080]

Facts

[@Venus_Noir]

PERIODT.

[@TramNguyen-rj8hk]

In every frame! 🤩

[@mimi45961]

Right 😊

[@Aries27379]

“She could stain you..she could BLEACH you...issa nice suit” KILT MEEE🤣🤣

[@AnimaRengoku]

Apparently it seems like the scene of Molly's assault was real? Like, not the sexual part (I believe) but they did punch and hold her down WITHOUT HER KNOWING THEY WERE GOING TO. I really do hate men. Oh my god. EDIT: Her name is Gina Ravera. She says the scene is still traumatizing to her. EDIT 2: Extract from an interview “Reflecting on the sequence 25 years later, Ravera indicates that Verhoeven could and should have done more to prepare her for how he planned to direct her and the other actors. “He wanted it to be more realistic; this character is good in a dark world, so he needed it to be brutal. I wish he had told that to me; I wish he had said, ‘This is the reason for the brutality.’” According to Ravera, Verhoeven’s pursuit of realism led him to be “very exuberant” in his directions to her male co-stars, which in turn encouraged them to be “overzealous” in their performances when the cameras were rolling. “[Paul] was like ‘Closer, closer’” she remembers him saying to Shockley. That resulted in Shockley striking Ravera on camera. “The [punch] you see in the film made contact. My jaw was not right for years. It can go too far, [and] it went too far. “There was no acknowledgment of what it was going to be, and I didn’t know what to ask for because I’d never been in a situation like that in real life nor professionally. It was my first [r*pe] scene. There’s no one to call and say, ‘How’d you do that r*pe scene?’ And, you know, you’ve got two men holding you down; my wrists were bruised, and my body was just covered in bruises after it because of what was asked for the camera. It’s like a stunt, and people get hurt in stunts. But you know what you’re signing up for [with stunts], and I didn’t know.” Since then, Ravera has made a point of turning down roles that would require her to play a victim of sexual abuse. “I don’t like being known for that, or knowing that my image is on the internet in perpetuity in a r*pe scene. That was the last time I ever played a woman who has gotten hit or was vandalized. It cost me a few jobs too.” [Yahoo Entertainment reached out to Verhoeven for comment, but the director could not be reached at press time.]” www.yahoo.com/entertainment/showgirls-gina-ravera-controversial-scene-paul-verhoeven-220338697.html

[@dylancastellanos87]

Wtf??? That scene was triggering for me when I finally saw it. I had no idea that they actually physically harmed her. That is as repulsive and horrendous as what the scene is about. I can't imagine how terrified she must have been.

[@WaitinInAmber]

This is horrific. It’s appalling that that happened to her.

[@madamechaos7481]

Ergh. I HATE this so much.

[@m.orionyt]

Fuck man, poor Gina

[@blubberingbuffoons]

Oh my god. I'm tearing up this is so horrific. This movie is irredeemable.

[@TZeloMrsZelo]

Both black woman were victimized by white characters and neither get proper justice. Sounds about right 😒

[@awesomedude5558]

It's the 90's. Which isn't a defence, rather it's just... an unfortunate testament to how much they got away with and shouldn't have.

[@xxxmaysilssss690]

It’s disgusting representation, but I honestly prefer that over black women actually being the perpetrators in the movie. That would’ve made it even worse.

[@Alyakismydutchname]

@@xxxmaysilssss690 IMO, they could've just left the Black women out of this if all they were going to do is turn them into victims of tragic crimes. I'm tired of seeing horrible things happen to people who look like me and it's just another plot point. Honestly, all forms of media are incredibly bad about using violence and sexual assault against women and girls as an "edgy" plot point and I'm sick of it. I've noticed however that when it comes to Black women in media (and real life), they hardly ever get proper justice and barely get seen as an actual person instead of just a side character to advance the storyline of the non-poc main character. This is an old movie, but not much has really changed. They might put some actresses who are part Black with lighter skin and/or loosely curly hair, but it's rare that fully Black, darker skintoned, and/or kinky/coily haired women get full character arcs and storylines in mainstream media.

[@xxxmaysilssss690]

@@Alyakismydutchname because it fits in with the theme of showgirls. The movie is about the exploitation of women in the entertainment industry, though I do agree that it is disgusting how black women get the worst treatment out of everyone in this movie - though, that may have been the point.

[@Chitownhomestead]

Sounds about white...

[@OmiNami444]

The way she throws herself at cars every chance she gets is just so unsettling

[@beckybertish7841]

🤣😆

[@moethemoon]

why did this make me laugh so hard..

[@arain764niara]

Idk why but this made me laugh uncontrollably

[@MothEatenTee]

it's kinda like neil breen and laptops.

[@OmiNami444]

@@MothEatenTee it took a minute for me to get it but I died laughing at this 🤣🤣🤣

[@IconVlog.]

“You not gone give her at least a week” I’m a professional dancer and let me tell you NO! They will call you to audition for tour and then realize tour starts in 3 days and the show is 2.5 hours LIKE WHAT?!

[@KL-uv3ts]

yeah that's like the one part of the film that checks out!

[@poisonoussmile3904]

"I have a problem with pussy" Me: *rewinds to see if I heard that right*

[@narayastarks]

Men write feminism as if we are saying we hate men. That's not it at all. We want equality and want to be treated with respect as if we are humans not objects

[@contrarian9999]

Because their egos are fragile and the thought of women wanting independence feels like a slight against them despite the fact that feminism (real feminism, not fringe radicals who actually are misandrists) only wants to equalize the sexes based on rights women SHOULD ALWAYS HAVE HAD. They also like to believe they're being oppressed now and knowing history and what women were actually put through just for being women and still go through today, while their grief comes from "feminist" bashing and jokes on social media and in movies is actually just laughable at this point. Or when you point out how male issues come from systemic sexism which was instituted by men, they get pissy. You can't win.

[@abookishmess]

I'd like to add on that feminism isn't also so excluding as they make it seem. The make it seem like the feminist that goes to work with a power suit is any different than the one that's a stay home mom. It's just very odd how there is always only one type of badass women in men's eyes who write these movies.

[@greynotchristian]

not that hating men is wrong in any way.

[@zoazede2098]

Do you live in a bubble or what? Feminists hates men, and the fact that there's no a huge feminist movement trying to wash out that image is enough proof that you don't care about men ¯\_ಠ_ಠ_/¯ And you shouldn't wash your hands saying things like "those aren't REAL feminists", like if in the mere core of the movement never where woman that actively hated men, and where vandalic, etcetera, trying to deny they're part of your movement doesn't change the fact that they actually do.

[@contrarian9999]

@@zoazede2098 You can deny they're part of the movement when they go against the very foundational principles of what it means to fight for equal rights. Quick question: in the MRA and MGTOW movement, do the vocal sectors that advocate for the removal of women's rights, forced surrogacies and the overall inferiority and dehumanization of women as a sex represent the entire movement and invalidate what they stand for? Or would the average MRA and MGTOW pundit strongly deny such association as mere fringe extremism?

[@Nonna35th]

But honestly she’s like the “edgy” white girl at school that has problems at home that throws temper tantrums but never faces consequences from her peers or teachers. Anybody know what I’m talking about?

[@mandisakuzwayo7156]

I know EXACTLY what you're talking about

[@re-newed5312]

Wattpad edgy

[@cece_-gt2sr]

@@re-newed5312 y/n energy

[@donparker6679]

Yes, because both Reality Bites and Rent tried to do the same thing, and frame it as “The struggles of Bohemian hipster young adults”.

[@arianabell9351]

Yeah...it’s weird when workplaces have that too.

[@tanyanicole5869]

This movie had me absolutely screaming. 1) Nomi licking the pole at the strip club. That thing probably has the sweat from all of the other girls that performed before you. Hands are on that thing, hands that touched the locker room and money that has been in people's pockets. There's probably old perfume on that thing, essential oils, fucking tiger balm. 2) Why is the dude giving up after one show? You're a nobody who did a dance show in Vegas (packed with spectacles) based on a relative nobody. I know the girl is pregnant so like he has to support a baby, but like persevere my guy 3) That unnecessary sexual assault. Why does Molly have to get assaulted for Nomi to be a crusader for women? Anything else could have happened that didn't involve a black character getting sexually assaulted. 4) Nomi just fucking left these people turned up and around from her presence. Molly's going to need support when she gets out of the hospital, she left that show in need of a dancer. She didn't have to change but everyone else came out worse. 5) those kisses are AWFUL

[@CalvinChikelue]

Your anger at the SA scene is 200% justified. Thank you particularly for pointing out how the framing of this movie as “camp” falls apart with the inclusion of such a vile subject & scene for legitimately ZERO REASON. It is absolutely unnecessary for the advancement of the plot & like you mentioned seemingly only exists to give the white protagonist a righteous crusade which could have been done a multitude of ways without even an ounce of violence being necessary at all. It’s that vital adage of writing where one needs to tell themselves if any other crime can be used to get a character or the plot to a similar point, then SA should most definitely not be the one you use.

[@sahare.e2048]

There is a lot of victim blaming here Also they want the black girl to be tougher , but then we see a tough black girl get stereotyped as an angry black woman

[@awesomedude5558]

And that's ashame!!! You can be black and empowered. Empowered and angry, however, aren't the same thing. You can be angry and empowered because of the same event, like confronting someone who did something really bad to you, but that's not what the angry black women stereotype is. It's ashame that people will keep calling it that when it's not!

[@squarepotatoes]

And they both get injured anyways

[@FabalociousDee]

Good point.

[@nottodayimbusy7146]

That's definitely not true maybe back then I guess (not really tho) but in today's society blk woman can do no wrong

[@FabalociousDee]

@@nottodayimbusy7146 Maybe in a parallel universe, but Black women getting marginally more acknowledgement than we used to get and being stereotyped as do-it-all women doesn't just erase centuries of dehumanisation. Nor is it the same as "can do no wrong". Nice try, though.

[@notyourdestiny3547]

I hate how they acted like "if you're like Naomi (Nomi? Who cares) then you won't get attacked" as if 1.) Strong or aggressive women don't get or haven't been assaulted and 2.) Women who aren't like that should've expected it? It feels like "well you let this haapen" "should've seen it coming" "maybe if you were more like this". Very much blaming the victim and almost justifying assault.

[@gabsterforever13]

In addition strong women are blamed too. They are told, "if you kept your mouth shut and knew your place they wouldn't have wanted to bring you down a peg." Can't be meek and can't be strong. There's never any winning

[@saramohamma6641]

@@gabsterforever13 They'll just always find a way to blame the woman istg it's incredibly sad to see T_T

[@Marina_7]

I agree. And worst of all is that this kind of mentality is sadly very present in real life. If you're "strong" you have to be taught a lesson, or you're told stuff like you should keep assertiveness for the bedroom, or that you're "feisty", or overreact etc. If you're "not strong" then you're fun to "mess with" (as in make very uncomfortable or to sexual harass) even if it doesn't come to r*pe. And if something happens to you, then it's your fault for not standing up to yourself. You really can never win. I'm gonna keep ranting a bit but ofc you can stop reading here. This also lowkey reminds me of other situations with weird "perceptions" like this. Being cheated on as a woman: if you suspect your partner you're crazy and don't trust him and overreact, but if you trust him and he cheats, then you're stupid. Or another one, I knew a man from a friend group of other men. One of them would beat his wife. Everyone knew and pitied her. NONE of them apperently didn't as much as tell him "hey bro maybe solve your issues in another way" or anything. Why? Because it "was none if their business". Like bruh this is serious. I'm a girl and I've had issues trusting men for a long while(not their fault, there are plenty of nice ones ofc but I just keep expecting bad things, hope I'll get better). But with how many creeps I've met (mostly 50+yo, they just don't care), I can see why I'm like that...

[@nikitadiamondseraph]

Some clubs are nude, most are just topless though. And nude clubs usually have strict af rules.

[@jocelyncooper1738]

Even in the movie the sign for the club says “Topless bar”, but practically every single dancer is fully nude.

[@canceledartist]

Molly’s story made me so sad, I know the movie isn’t real but I know it’s happened to women before and it hurts so much that STRAIGHT MEN WROTE THIS AND THOUGHT IT WOULD DO ANYTHING god it hurts Edit: so apparently the actress that played Molly DIDNT know it was going to be as violent as it was so it’s even WORSE

[@daylamore3300]

*Black girl breaths in Showgirls* Director- Nope. Not liking any of that. Its the misoygnoir for meeeeeee😶

[@SheKiss1489]

So instead of sliding Molly some $$$ when she gets paid, she buys some Ver Sayce?

[@catwithwifi10]

She could have at least bought Molly a nice Ver Sayce dress or something.

[@noneofyours16]

I been looking for this comment. Like bitch you are freeloading

[@giammyv]

After all of her hard work and accomplishments she really did deserve a nice Ver Sayce tho

[@wrenmassey6876]

She could have done literally anything actually helpful for her and Molly instead of buying that dress. Sure it's nice, but she used all that money on one dress when she has been borrowing everything else. Why not use that money, for, I dont know, a basic wardrobe?

[@VictoriaLove]

Molly was going to make it but no she wanted to buy it probably not even paying rent

[@csamakande]

“Just like a man, all loud and wrong” quote of the day 😂😂😂😂

[@tunasalad9693]

"She could stain you, she could _bleach_ you- ɪᴛ's ᴀ ɴɪᴄᴇ sᴜɪᴛ-"

[@rooo358]

“A real life woman is more likely to awkwardly shimmy away” fucking felt that 😂😂

[@whosthatchick5150]

Literally 😂

[@chocolattemocha8512]

@@starduststudios5671 Please tell me this is a jokey copypasta because this literally has nothing to do with this conversation.

[@morsidlamini1224]

Sidenote - did we notice the adorable moment where kennie realizes she still has edges👀😂🥺

[@yourmotherhatesyou641]

I like the watching the evolution of Kennies hair too, like it looks really healthy.

[@jahzieljoynes6552]

Shes so adorable all the time 🥺love her

[@morsidlamini1224]

@oh dear thanks , I love kennie and lakia their reviews are the best😂

[@gojewla]

I remember when this came out. It was the same director as Basic Instinct, and he and the entire media hyped the shit out of it. Nobody knew how awful it was going to be. It was supposed to be even more controversial, and push the boundaries even more, more intense, blah blah blah… My girlfriend at the time dragged me to see it and shortly after I realized I was gay.

[@WitsNSass]

@42:15....that director is lying!!! A lying liar that lies! He didn't "mean to do that" as a goof/satire. They (he and the writer) were deadass serious about this being some critically acclaimed film. They were aiming for provocative (per NC17 rating, which became a thing in the 90s) arthouse, so hard, and everyone back then knew it! It's why Elizabeth Berkley risked her career on it after many actresses backed out. The writer flat out said a few years later that it was a "cautionary/morality tale" about the exploitation of strippers and showgirls by men in the industry and they failed because of the hubris of the success of their (he and the director's) prior collab that was Basic Instinct, and he also said the r*pe scene was a terrible mistake. Ah, the beauty of being old - I remember when this movie first premiered and all the hype and expectations around it this director is trying to edit with revisionist history decades later. BAH!

[@gurlsobex]

honestly the glitter didn't register as glitter for a second and I was so alarmed..... probably just triggered by the gorilla glue lady 😭😭

[@FaithFacts]

Same😂😂😂

[@breonnacarter4512]

🤣🤣🤣🤣😩💀

[@Yuukiosaki]

Sameeeee 😂😂😂

[@sailork8848]

I turned my ig notifications on for that lady 😂😂😂. I need to know if her scalp is gonna make it 😩

[@Yuukiosaki]

@@sailork8848 me too!!! I want constant update

[@Kira-jz5cz]

I love these new 45 minutes with you Kennie it’s like I’m talking to my sister 😭

[@Kayla-ly8rm]

Honestlyyyy, I saw the length of this and got immediately excited lol

[@HopelessDreamersClub]

Same

[@rx500android]

Sameee

[@MonicaCatapusan]

Yess the longer the vids the better😍🔥

[@morticiarobin172]

She’s my sister too🥺🥺🥺😌😌😌...

[@yves9911]

The actress who played her was driven through the mud because of director’s orders to make her into a more sexual person unlike her recent roles that were innocent and good. So this movies is camp but not like moulin rouge camp, camp that it’s so bad it’s simply bad.

[@erikd814]

The 60 year old director was also her BOYFRIEND during the filming of this movie.....She was 24. Let that sit for a minute...

[@bananatiergod]

@@erikd814 Safe to say the director is a piece of horseshit

[@erikd814]

@@bananatiergod Well, yes and no. Simply being older doesn’t make him a POS, But it’s well Documented that he used his influence and power and the fact he was Elizabeth Berkeley’s Boyfriend to coerce her into doing things on film that she wasn’t initially told she’d have to do, including multiple things that made her really really uncomfortable. He manipulated her and I’m willing to bet she doesn’t have great memories of the filming process and her experience with her ex (the director) because had they not been dating she probably wouldn’t have done the things she’s didn’t want to do. And now it’s on film forever.

[@bananatiergod]

@@erikd814 That and the fact he didn't tell Molly's actress about the rape scene and told them to go all out on it. She actually had bruises from it and left her VERY uncomfortable about what happened.

[@lcslndmt]

This is like "White Privilege: The Movie" with the amount of shit Nomi is able to get away with

[@eiffelviolet]

I'm passing as fully white even though I'm only about half white. People at stores have been suspicious of me many times and have harassed me. Thinking I'm trying to steal, rob the place, or do something else suspicious.

[@ashleysom5407]

White privilege isn't a thing. Sorry you feel that way 😂😂😂

[@alientingz7733]

@@ashleysom5407 lmao okay because it is a thing and we see it all in the media, etc. Keep being naive. I mean look at all the cases that involved a white person killing poc, etc. Look at how they get a slap on a wrist versus a poc doing the same thing. I swear you guys don't like to admit you guys can do just about anything you want because these systems are meant for you and not for us.

[@litttlepigboy]

@@ashleysom5407 notice how nobody agrees with you

[@ivy7946]

@@ashleysom5407 sounds like someone with white privilege to me

[@DreamsReality7]

Kennie is such a good person. I love seeing a women 10 years younger than me, be such an intelligent, empathetic, HUMAN BEING

[@sparkle5625]

Yup I’m older then her as well and I’m proud of the person she is just as I would my younger sister.

[@Mimi-wg1ls]

Agreed!!!

[@DreamsReality7]

@@sparkle5625 Absolutely!!! My husband calls her my little sis. He swears we speak similar🤣🤣

[@sharyebethancourt3660]

💯🎯

[@voidliving6922]

Yes! I love her perspective and of course she is so funny lol! ♥️

[@rgnm78]

can I just say...I know this is a shitty movie that sadly ruined the girl’s career but why is Hollywood so awful that they deny opportunities for women just for being in a bad film?

[@rileypaigemc7018]

Especially when the make directors who created the bad film are totally fine

[@Snow-xd4rv]

If you aren’t good at your job, why would tony hire. You’re basically saying, give her free job past, even though she’s bad at her job, which is the dumbest thing ever, and it’s pandering

[@Snow-xd4rv]

Don’t act like almost every did not say her acting was terrible, because it was

[@tweedlebug123]

@@Snow-xd4rv apparently, the director directed her to behave in that over the top, tantrumy way...so it's more bad direction than her flaws an actress.

[@kiki_101_]

@@Snow-xd4rv this girl was a main character in one of the most popular teen shows at that time (saved by the bell) before this movie, and while that didn’t have oscar worthy acting it showed her range over the many years she was apart of that cast.

[@EncyclopediaBrittanica]

It. Gave. Us. LOOKS!: 5:20 Ooooh that's a good beat: 11:24 Shes in a FIT!: 25:50

[@imanibrown5349]

Its just so sad to see Molly treated like that because she was "too nice". We did see a glimpse of a "Naomi type badass" black character and she got her knees shattered and was presumablyout of a job for months. There's no winning...

[@chikari123]

As a former stripper, I’m shocked that none of the men who made this know how strip clubs work.

[@MakeMyWatermelonSpecial]

can u point out some flaws tho?

[@chikari123]

@@MakeMyWatermelonSpecial The way theyre put on stage is bizarre as if they’re doing dance number debuts when really it’s a seedy club so they’re on rotation. She just danced once and went home lol like??? You work a minimum of 6 hours and rotate on stage with other girls when you aren’t doing lap dances which is how you make money most of the time (20 bucks per dance hasn’t changed since the 80 or 90s). I can’t remember what the dressing room in the movie looks like but if they’re showing shit with vanities and lights lol no it’s just a locker room.

[@chikari123]

@@nikitadiamondseraph Your experience doesn’t negate the majority of women who are in the lifestyle who are either have gone through sexual abuse and who have been exploited.

[@chikari123]

@@starduststudios5671 you okay buddy?

[@sylvias190]

@@starduststudios5671 nah im good 🤣

[@hs-zd4ch]

Sometimes I feel like when male directors/writers put in these gratuitous sexual assault and rape scenes it's because they get off on it :/ ......like it will add nothing to the plot at all

[@Duchesscarml]

Well. With all these accusations coming out these last few years maybe they see it as art imitating life.

[@anonplussedhuman5149]

You need to look up what Sean Young said about Ridley Scott back in the 80s with the original Blade Runner. He came onto her, she turned him down and he turned the sex scene into an almost rape scene and she said she knew he changed it because of that.

[@issavirgo4838]

I guarntee it will be quinton tarantino next

[@hs-zd4ch]

@@issavirgo4838 Already has :/

[@MichelleArielis]

The makeup artist that worked on this movie (Jane Aull) did How the Grinch Stole Christmas (iconic) and Pirates of the Caribbean (the best smokey eye……fight me about it lmaoo)

[@pumpkinpatch2203]

I saw this movie many years ago, and the rape scene triggered my PTSD for one of the first times, making me realize the trauma I had been put through, and honestly, it still sticks way too deep with me

[@leongeds1397]

"Quentin Tarantino has stated that he enjoyed Showgirls" oh really? Who could've seen that coming..... 🙄

[@jasminecrawford42]

I'm sure that sicko loved it. Maybe not enough feet and gratuitous violence for him tho.

[@brittanywashington5194]

@@jasminecrawford42 Hahaha it always makes me chuckle when people acknowledge that dude has a foot fetish. So much unnecessary close ups of feet in his movies.

[@passport3763]

One of the biggest issues I had with him is that some of his movies are “empowering” (im not gonna lie I like some of them a lot) but he was friends with notorious r*pist Weinst*en

[@brittanywashington5194]

@@passport3763 Yes! I love his movie Death Proof, but birds of a feather flock together. It makes me wonder if his usage of strong women is performative because how can you be friends with someone like Weinstein and not be aware of his predatory antics? I know people don't often show their true selves to their friends but you can straight up look at Weinstein and tell dude is creepy. His energy registers as deviant.

[@TehMomo_]

@@brittanywashington5194 and it's one brand of "strong woman"

[@narayastarks]

Why do men write strong female characters as someone who is emotionless, snarky badass with male characteristics, or someone who needs male assistance . That is not a strong female character. A strong female character is someone who listens to her own instincts, she is her own person, she has her flaws but it want makes her a better and strong person. They also so emotion. I swear tv writers are better at writing strong female characters. like buffy the vampire slayer.

[@contrarian9999]

I know this is the second comment of yours I'm replying to but you're the only one I'm seeing talk about this lol. Easy: they idolize "masculine" traits and mock feminine ones. Even with male characters, there are very few examples of emotionally healthy, occasionally vulnerable male characters who arent hyper masculine or overly macho and who is actually portrayed as a hero. Or of they do write a "strong" woman, she can't be too independent either, so they villainize her by making her hate men or they weaken her by being more reliant on men than she would have to.

[@bamb00zled71]

Captain Marvel SMH

[@emclaire7027]

Yeah, I know it’s not perfect, but Buffy was honestly really important to my “feminist journey” in that it was when I started examining my not-like-other-girls, girly=bad/weak, internalized misogyny bullshit that I’d carried through middle school. For me, Buffy was the first time I saw a character being able to be badass without having to automatically reject femininity, and it was so weirdly freeing for me. So like, parts of it have definitely not aged well, and also Joss Whedon as a person sucks, but I think one of the things it excelled at is not “strong female character-ing” Buffy. They make it super clear that her strength lies in her family and friendships, she’s allowed to be fully feminine without ridicule, her character arc is about her grappling with life and love and loss, and she also kicks undead ass. What’s not to love, lol.

[@cassualtea2040]

@@emclaire7027 damn... for me it was My Little Pony-

[@baddieMario77]

@Nonaya Bidness your comments come off as kinda im not like the other girls-ish. Its ok if thats what you’re like, no one is saying thats wrong, we’re saying its wrong that men write women to be that way because they think thats what a strong woman is. Those traits dont make a “strong woman”. Any type of woman can be strong, you dont have to be typically masculine.

[@erikd814]

Fun fact. Elizabeth Berkeley was DATING (said Creepy old man director) Paul Verhoven who was more than twice her age. (Elizabeth was like 24 and Paul was almost 60) during the filming of this film. So keep in mind that extra added layer of weird when watching this film. Clearly he was able to manipulate her into doing things on film that she otherwise probably wouldn’t have agreed to had the director not been her Grandpa aged BF. She went from saved by the bell to this X-rated orgy of bad over acting and gratuitous sex scenes, and we’re supposed to believe that she was totally okay with what this film expected of her?.....Yea No....

[@albertamathurin7084]

😱 OMG

[@queenofcats9240]

Yeah he basically ruined her career. He admitted it himself

[@kazhaswords]

12:59 "Hi, I'm Renata Bliss and I'm your freestyle dance teacher."

[@Sam-0827]

Hahaha 😂😂😂💀

[@tinkerella007]

‘Box braid Becca, ‘Notless Nancy, Senegalese twist Sally’...took me out!!😆😆😂😂🤣🤣

[@rissajones1645]

Me too lets not forget micro mary😭😭😭

[@emmanuelaadebisi5743]

@@rissajones1645 not micro Mary pls 😂

[@VictoriaLove]

Im cryinggggg

[@PunkExMachina]

The director of this film apologized and admitted this ruined the lead girl’s career bruh....I feel bad for her. edit: lmao nvm i read that the black woman in this film actually got horribly treated during this film and I actually feel bad for her cause she hasn’t been able to see the film as campy or anything cause it was a horrific experience.

[@KimiSpird]

Fr she deserved better

[@Duchesscarml]

True. But is it their fault or her's for taking this role? She had to have read the script first and she took the role to distance herself from her Saved By the Bell image. Bad choice.

[@abigailw4599]

Yeah but the director admitted that he was directing her to be over the top and campy when she was trying to give an earnest performance. The script isnt the same as the direction and you dont always know what the final product will be like just from the script. She also suffered from the fact that the whole movie was bad(or misunderstood camp satire depending how you look at it) and she was the face of it

[@equusquaggaquagga536]

What career?

[@Amy-qe4vt]

@@equusquaggaquagga536 she had just finished saved by the bell and was predicted to actually have a good film career and then this happened :( v sad

[@comicsrhapsody]

If they ever do remake Showgirls, then need to have the same make up artist, or it just won’t be worth it

[@Tareltonlives]

I actually groan now whenever I see Paul Verhoven's name attached to something. How does he have a career after this? Why are actors careers destroyed for the sins of a director?

[@Tareltonlives]

You know, I never thought it was remake material, but I actually get that. It would be about how sex workers can find joy and fulfillment despite the misogyny surrounding their profession, and fight back against the people who mistreat them.

[@AnxietyAndPanic]

as someone related to a pole dancer, PLEASE NEVER GET YOUR MOUTH ANYWHERE N E A R THE POLES OMG

[@makeilaha6155]

All the crotches and sweaty feet and hands that touch those things freaks me out...I hope they clean those things

[@AnxietyAndPanic]

@@makeilaha6155 They usually do, but in the middle of the day, after multiple dancers have had their shifts, with sweat, body glitter, any possible grip aids and whatever else, it's probably as safe as licking a bathroom wall. Not to say the dancers are dirty, but it's really not safe or smart of an idea.

[@kikiouch8644]

Same idea as don’t use boxing gloves as a hydroflask. Probably shouldn’t lick used gymnastic equipment either or gym stuff in general. Doesn’t make bodybuilders unhygienic just humans sweat when they move when they move a lot lmao

[@Acrossthegulfofspace]

Generously I think Nomi getting back at Molly‘s attacker was supposed to be a “girls standing up for girls” kind of 90’ feminism, but in actuality it ends up giving white savior complex

[@stephaniewozny3852]

On that note, the idea that the way to be a truly empowered woman is to out badass the men is a very...male way to view misogyny. No joke, I have seen men say that the best way not to get r@ped or se>

[@osmanyousif7849]

Does it really? Because seeing all the stuff Nomi has done, how is she any better, even to call her a hero or "savior"?

[@cam4636]

@@osmanyousif7849 "White savior" is when a white person does some action that makes them feel justified that they have "saved" someone from a minority, with or without any input from the person they've decided to "save" or taking into account the thoughts or feelings of the people they're "saving" or the consequences those people might face because of the white person's actions. It's not literally being a "savior" but about a white person believing themselves to be such.

[@xrrgr]

@@tiffanykim2773 yes really

[@xrrgr]

@@osmanyousif7849 nomi is not a hero type of character but it is still the white savior trope

[@pagemastrogiovanni9195]

The sexual assault scene was EXTREMELY triggering...especially when I saw it on opening night.

[@abimon76]

I'm obsessed with how the greenish glitter on kennie's eyes sparkle when she blinks

[@KRO-222]

It’s like r/menwritingwomen, but with a 90s look and a movie budget 😑

[@shinigamikitsune1541]

My thoughts EXACTLY

[@jaelcsn1808]

OMG YEEES, this is like if one of those terrible books that have things like “her tits look at me”, where adapted into a movie

[@suppeople9987]

So all the black people just take care of her just because

[@I_Vetta]

"Pointless sexually charged energy that leads nowhere" - every anime rivals ever lol It's just fanservice for people who love enemies to lovers trope

[@appleyablokova6583]

"Depending on her ph at the moment, she could stain you!" "She could bleach you!" 🤣🤣🤣🤣👍

[@israa.6375]

‘WHITE WOMEN DANCING’ AS A TRIGGER WARNING?? YOU NOT SEEING THE PEARLY GATESSS 😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@HopelessDreamersClub]

😂😂😂

[@LisaFrank39]

😭😭

[@AD-cy4vj]

Lmao

[@bjp1101]

😂😂

[@edgardominto6335]

This is the comment!!!!!!

[@liamena4520]

Broey Deschenel did a pretty good dissection of this movie if anyone wants to check it out. The play by play is Liz Berkley didn’t want to be a sitcom girl anymore and really thought Paul Verhoeven was going to make her the next Sharon Stone (he also directed Basic Instinct). He did not and was not trying to. She was kicked out of the industry. He was fine. It’s all very sad and unfair.

[@randombrokeperson]

I think in that same video essay (or someone else's.. I've watched a lot), it was shown that he also apologized and felt bad for his he instructed her to act. His direction is what have critics ammo to end her career 😕 2/6/21, 6:44

[@liamena4520]

@@randombrokeperson He’s like the guy that wrote Jaws and didn’t see until it was too late how badly something he made to entertain people affected sharks except for that guy spent the rest of his life as a staunch conservationist and shark advocate trying to make amends for the damage he had a hand in causing and Paul Verhoeven just said “oops, my bad” and moved on.

[@nikitadiamondseraph]

Also sometimes work is just work, I LOVE being a exotic dancer, but a job doesn't need to be empowering for some people and that is ok. Love your channel K.

[@Elerantula_]

I love how writers put rape or in general sexual violence to make their story more powerful. No pal, you don't use heavy themes to make your movie unforgettable or even just a good work, you use good writing

[@martymcflown3707]

Every pairing of characters has sexual tension in this film, especially Nomi and Molly's car.

[@KimiSpird]

Imagine the car sex

[@aaliyaahh]

this is just kennie simping over the fashion but shitting all over the movie. Similar to what the characters do honestly-

[@zoid5911]

In college I had a friend that was obsessed with this movie and would force me to watch it multiple times a year. I was apparently really good at being not mentally present because I watched it years later and it ended WAY different than I remembered

[@aerongrimm3162]

2 god awful movies I HIGHLY recommend: M. Night Shyamalan's Lady in the Water: supposedly a bedtime story he wrote for his kids about a water lady who's astoundingly naive telling a useless doormat white guy that he's fantasy Jesus while being stalked by grass wolves and sprinklers. Also there's a guy who only works out 1 side of his body. Krampus: I literally have no idea what this movie was about. It's just Krampus. And "horror"?? Tbh I was scream laughing so hard through the whole movie I wasn't really paying attention. Not that there was a lot to pay attention to. Also the Capricorn logic rage came out at the end, so that was fun 🙃 Also teeth. Like a concerning amount of toothy toys. One of my favorite fucking movies, honestly

[@cleanclean4031]

I've seen the second but I ain't ever seen any grass wolves...and sprinklers? Stalking sprinklers? You have met your illegal string of words limit for the year.

[@katerinaharness]

Oh my god for his kids??? I watched Lady in the Water when I was a kid and it gave me nightmares until I was a young teenager. I had an active imagination though LOL. I can hardly remember it now.

[@adamsavenue7439]

''just like a man, loud and WRONG..." girl, you ain't lying...

[@whosthatchick5150]

👀🙌🏽

[@sylvias190]

Speak on it 💯💯

[@Chitownhomestead]

Not a lie told...

[@sasukegirl3492]

Say it again for the girls in the back row! XD

[@ju4300]

If Nomi was black she would’ve never gotten this much pity

[@rorymarcel228]

Facts she would be known as the "angry black women"

[@sharonkantone9967]

Yup

[@mimi45961]

Straight FACTS

[@awesomedude5558]

I agree. Sadly.

[@kittentree198]

I was looking for this comment because honestly this was my first thought

[@LivvyBooks]

Omg the part where you mention depending on the stripper's pH levels she could stain his clothes. That line took me by surprise and made me cackle. That was a hilarious image to think.

[@anonplussedhuman5149]

Nomi’s blue outfit was also Versace. You can still find pieces from that collection occasionally online. ALL PASTEL METALLIC KNITS AND LEATHER.

[@reataylor9718]

Auntie here with a fun fact: elizabeth berkley plays the main character and this was like a huge controversy back then because she came from saved by the bell. A very teeny bopper pure like show i use to love 😂😂 She got alot of crap for playing this character i remember smh but it wouldn't of been so bad if she had actually did a good job in the movie lmao dang -p.s i skipped the rape scene when i saw it back in the 90s when i shouldn't of been watching it. In like middle school lol that scene was so unneccesary and extremely graphic its straight trash.

[@WitsNSass]

Fellow Auntie here! Yes, people were BIG MAD that Jessie Spano was in this movie. But some people thought it was going to be the next Basic Instinct - which has the same writer and director of this film BTW. Which is why a song by Prince - never made it to the soundtrack, tho- (Cheetah stripping with licked metal pole scene...ew) and David Bowie (bouncer/dancer dude kneed in the balls nightclub scene) song are in the film. I think Elizabeth Berkley thought she break out from teen show typecasting and would be the next Sharon Stone - who kind of made a name for herself by being in not 1 but 2 hypersexual 90s films (Basic Instinct and Sliver - also the same writer for Showgirls). The 90s, what a time! The bi-curious (but just for women) vibes of Showgirls are very on brand with the mid to late 90s. That was considered "edgy" at the time.

[@Duchesscarml]

Yep. And, instead, it tanked her career.

[@mel_zzz_]

@@WitsNSass Edgy??? 90’s were weird ☺️

[@WitsNSass]

@@mel_zzz_ LOL! Weird, but here we are in the 2020s and cosplaying lesbian or bisexual/bicurious is still a vibe that carried over beyond Y2K

[@trueblueedits4673]

The white saviour complex with Nomi "avenging" her friend was so tone deaf.

[@awesomedude5558]

I am all for friends defending friends regardless of race, but when the white savior complex kicks in... it's not good. Like, a white person can avenge a black person in a movie in certain non-racist situations, but the white savior complex is something really bad and just... toxic. It's beyond racist. Black people are powerful, too.

[@trueblueedits4673]

@@awesomedude5558 My biggest issue is they used the friend as a catalyst to prove Nomi's badassery. It was so dumb because they wrote the black character into a situation specifically to have the white girl look like a saviour. They never focused on the nuances. It was so bland and distasteful

[@awesomedude5558]

@@trueblueedits4673 It really was. At BEST it was ignorance, but given everything else in the movie... I don't think it was *JUST* ignorance...

[@xxxmaysilssss690]

Actually, the purpose of Molly’s r*pe wasn’t to make Nomi look badass. It was distasteful to make Nomi “avenge” her, but the r*pe plot was there to tie in with the theme of the rest of the movie, which is about the objectification, sexualisation and harm towards women in the entertainment industry. Molly’s plot was that she loved this celebrity, and he was essentially her Prince Charming, especially when she first met him. However, that dream gets shattered soon enough when he unmasks who he truly is - and the fact that the cops aren’t called on him solidifies the amount of power celebrities have in this world - especially male ones. He was bringing in too much money for the company for him to be arrested, which goes in a full circle and brings us back to the main fact: that the entertainment industry is corrupt and evil, especially against women.

[@IzzleWhizzle]

@@xxxmaysilssss690 Nah

[@rb5078]

"Just like a man, all loud and wrong." That's my new favorite quote.

[@elizabeththornton8982]

Why do I feel like every character in this film is just a poorly executed caricature

[@onelovelylilidiot4959]

Because they are lmao

[@lovesplus3879]

As soon as “white women with box braids” was said. I swear on beat, the cats outsides started screaming. They ain’t down with that shit 🤣

[@starbaby2671]

That’s hilarious. The cats know what’s up

[@gh4kr]

Loves plus You have no right to dictate what hairstyles certain women can have.

[@ladytopaz6358]

@@gh4kr bruh who said she was?

[@kxrrington7597]

@@gh4kr no they’re not...and her having the hairstyle is disrespectful to black people’s culture, so you have no clue what you’re talking about

[@thetempestlilac3599]

@@kxrrington7597 I'm black and its not disrespectful to me. Why are we so defensive over hair? Because Kardashian's try and take it from us? They can't take shit from us and they know it that's why they try so hard. But in this particular case, there is no need to be so defensive. When we put barriers on things like this we are only creating more divisions among races, ethnicities, and so on. The only way we can get over racism and colourism is to stop making it such a big deal when it comes to behaviour that isn't harmful or intentionally malicious. Call out people who deserve it, who are genuinely trying to hurt black women and are disrespecting black culture (whatever black culture is- we don't all share similar a culture). Not every black person will think a white woman wearing braids is disrespectful. Because it isn't. And I know damn well if in general I saw women of all races and ethnicities wearing braids (and not just black women) it would be refreshing and nice. It would be nice to see a universal culture where things such as race and ethnicity are not what define us. We as humans have to find common ground and unity if we want to progress. I do understand that there has been sabotage of certain cultures but I don't think we should assume every white or non black person who wears braids is the enemy, or disrespectful, or some joke. That only puts up more barriers between everyone. I wish u all the best😊

[@Cove_Blue]

No, you're right. She's an awful character played by an awful actress. It's like someone told her to do her "drug" scene from Saved by the Bell for a couple hours straight.

[@LoveK1]

Anytime I see her I think of the scene. 🎵 I’m so excited!!! 🎵 Oh my god, I cringed so hard it physically hurt me.

[@imysaurus]

I'm so excited, im so excited, I'm so....scared. Ah, the memories lol

[@elizabeththornton8982]

She gives me such ‘omg Emily’s such a crackhead you can’t deal with her she’s so random’

[@wolfgirl535]

Girl you are popping off on this episode. This is too good. "Looks like an afterthought." Gold. Everything coming out of your beautiful face is gold.

[@LesleyVerbeek]

As a Dutch girl, I'm embarrassed to say that the director, Paul Verhoeven, is considered to be the best director we have in our country and is highly celebrated here 🙃

[@alx123094]

This comment killed me😂😂😂 does he have better films?

[@ciaoberry123]

Jaa maar ik bedoel denk aan films als alleen maar nette mensen of verliefd op ibiza 😂

[@liteflightify]

He’s directed Robot Cop, Elle (which got a lead actress Oscar nod a few years), Starship Troopers, Total Recall, The Fourth Man, Basic Instinct. A lot of movies that drip with social satire and irony. I believe he was trying to do the same here. One of the problems was Berkley’s performance. It’s just too earnest, over the top and irony free. He clearly directed her to be over the top but didn’t clue her in that they were making a satire. It’s unfortunate because her career was pretty much dead once this came out. I still see Showgirls as a “classic” in its own right though.

[@andyenglish4303]

He's earned that reputation. Not for Showgirls, mind you, but for his other movies.

[@gleegleek4eva]

I mean he made a ton of great movies. And all of his most successful films have just a touch of camp but this was just over the top and weirdly written. At least it's a cult classing now. Even if it is just from people thinking it's hilarious.

[@stephonvalentino7020]

I’m just tired of movies having Rape scenes in it. I’m tired of seeing it. I’m tired of it being in regular movies as well as horror movies. Like ... why WRITE THAT IN THE MOVIE AND DONT HAVE A TRIGGER WARNING?!?

[@stephonvalentino7020]

@MELANIE PAMELA GRAVE CIFUENTES Facts.

[@stephonvalentino7020]

@watch ur ankles facts

[@MaRyaYTOfficial]

I can't stand when it's unnecessary on top of that. Nobody wants to act that out, film, or see that, so to put people through it, with no significance to the plot or be for the victim is weird.

[@stephonvalentino7020]

@@MaRyaYTOfficial very weird. It’s even weirder to write that into the plot of the film & the actors be okay with it. Like WHYYYYYYY ?

[@21sashalee]

YES!! THANK YOU! Why is it getting normalized, why am I seeing it everywhere?? It adds nothing to the quality of the film and it is not the right way to educate about the topic. Ruined a LOT of movies for me

[@juliabillups9721]

thank you lord for this channel being recommended to me. I'm so tired of movie reviews being done by the human equivalent of milk toast cis men. That fact that is series exists makes me so happy. alsooooo, this look is absolutely STUNNING, striking, captivating. *chefs kiss*

[@lellan1288]

I remember seeing the first bad movies and a beat in my college dorm and a couple years later I’m sitting in my apartment still watching with the same amount of warmth and comfort as the first time I saw it 🥰. These videos have been one of the most consistent things in my life the last couple of years and having something to look forward to every week feels like there’s something I can lean on and depend on. Thanks for all you do Kennie 😘❤️❤️

[@sademouton7391]

And it’s the fact that the main actress who took on this role tried to get rid of her “saved by the bell” Disney image but she got rid of her career instead. Like she was really trying to get a serious career but got the exact opposite.

[@ApequH]

She did get rid of her disney image

[@sademouton7391]

@@ApequH well obviously but in the worse way possible 😂😂

[@ApequH]

@@sademouton7391 Yes, they've done her dirty

[@alisunwonderland4242]

Whoa only made the connection now that’s Jesse from Saved By The Bell!

[@melanie_margaret]

not one of the trigger warnings being “white women dancing” 😭💀

[@ART3MISS_]

I saw that too💀 I cackled

[@edgardominto6335]

I'm still trying to calm down. It triggered one of those ab cramping laughs!!! 😂😂😂

[@user-pc5sw1cs6i]

i had to laugh so hard when i read the TW💀

[@unhingedblkgrrl]

HAGAS J

[@JJJJ-od2ee]

As a white woman who has seen footage of herself dancing I'm 100% behind that trigger warning.

[@kendra555]

ugh you look SO good i cant this serve is insane