F-104 Starfighter in the 1965 Indo-Pakistani War (Part 2)

[@Outerwebs]

The vastly slower and damaged Mystère catching an F-104 after it conducted a slashing attack, then engaging it in a turning dogfight and winning before then crashing seems the less likely turn of events, but we'll never know...

[@pajeetkumar1645]

Saar if you watch a Bollywood documentary then you would no it's highly likely.

[@joaquimfurtado4868]

​@@pajeetkumar1645Pakistan is well known for its lies all over the world

[@arvind50]

It was not pursued by a damaged mystere but a wingman's plane.

[@himanshusingh-st7xi]

​@@pajeetkumar1645saar what a sarcasm saar 72 hoors will be proud saar

[@mrxyz8366]

@@pajeetkumar1645 no zaar watch Porgaystani filmz zaar porgaystani junk fighter jf17 can even shoot f22 zaar in the other galaxy zaar🇵🇰🐷

[@donparker1823]

Seems like the 104 had one party trick which was blinding speed. A friend of mine who flew 106's said they exercised against 104's. He said once they learned the 104's limitations that they weren't really a problem. Great episode by the way!

[@jukeseyable]

no, it had a 2nd one, killing its pilots in prodigious numbers

[@gort8203]

Why should the F-104 be "a problem" for the F-106? As the fastest single engine fighter ever produced the 106 was more modern as well as much more powerful than the F-104. The F-104 was older and still seemed to have a climb rate advantage over the 106, but its main advantages were that it came first and it was less expensive.

[@remylopez4821]

Seems to me the F-106 was designed to attack mass waves of soviet bombers and not fighters in fact the delta darts & earlier F-102 Daggers didn’t even have a internal cannon for close in combat

[@gort8203]

@@remylopez4821 The F-106 was an all-weather interceptor designed to intercept and destroy bombers attacking the US. It was controlled by the SAGE system (Semi Automatic Ground Environment), a ground based automated system, which after takeoff could fly the aircraft to an intercept position from which the pilot only had to complete the attack and fire the weapons. The F-106 did not have a gunsight or even a compressed air supply a pilot G-suit because these were not needed for missile attacks on bombers. In contrast the F-104 was designed as day air superiority fighter, which is why it had a gun as primary armament and compressed air for the pilot's G-suit. It did not have radar missiles and all-weather attack capability.

[@remylopez4821]

@@gort8203 understood when I am listening to the US Air Force in 1978 I became a crew chief on F4 phantoms but I had a chance to work on F10 six is at Minot but I didn’t want to go to that cold weather on the California guy so instead I ended up working at four phantoms at Nellis Air Force Baseand the 106 was always my favorite Aircraft of that time. Thank you for your response.

[@farooq30th]

I controlled this mission.. GAR 8 hit the ground. Amjad fired at one Mysteres, seeing the hits and assuming it dead ,he went for the second and got him. Ajumata was not fully dead as yet, he gave chase and both ended up in close combat; a silly thing to do by F104. The mix-up resulted in mid air collision. Amjad bailed out; Ajumata could not because his seat was jammed because of the impact

[@clintwestwood5187]

LoL you were sitting besides him to see that his seat was jammed...

[@showtime112]

Thank you for the insight!

[@slimkhalifadogg]

@@clintwestwood5187 God forbid you can investigate a wreckage

[@guaporeturns9472]

Sometimes the 104 sounds like a land speeder on Tatooine

[@sidefx996]

😂

[@showtime112]

Or perhaps the land speeder was modeled after the sound of F-104? :)

[@guaporeturns9472]

@@showtime112 Well , since the Star Wars stories takes place in the distant past that would be impossible 😂

[@kleinerfarmer1]

Vacuum cleaner

[@umarchaudhry8953]

I wonder how the IAF knew the details of the shoot down of the F-104 when the IAF pilot never made it back, the fight happened in Pak airspace, so can't have Indian eye witnesses, and his radio was damaged.

[@showtime112]

I am kinda puzzled there too. Some details were given by Fricker, some perhaps by Hussain during his 1971 capture but some are likely 'decorative'.

[@DonzaiNoHana]

India never knew what happened with Sq. Ldr. Devaiah until 1979 when Pakistani came out with their version of events. It was only then that Devaiah was decorated posthomously.

[@rexxbailey2764]

THERE WERE 2 MYSTERES INVOLVED IN THAT INCIDENT OFCOURCE, THE SECOND MYSTERE DAMAGED THE F104.

[@JitendraKumar-tt3ht]

John Fricker wrote it in the official history of PAF, he confirmed F-104 pilot ejecting and Mystere going down and IAF retraced the history and awarded him after some 18 years

[@abhishekgiri1201]

That was confirmed by a Pakistani pilot when he was shot down in the 1971 war !!

[@samanpouee5370]

Pakistani pilots like iranian pilots were trained in the US and they were great pilots. I salute both indian and Pakistani pilots. Pakistan and India are both our brother nations 🇮🇷🇵🇰🇮🇳 Funny thing is Pakistan also get weapon embargo from US just like Iran in middle of war. Americans sell you weapon but they get upset if you use that so called weapon without their permission. Buying Chinese version of Soviet weapons were a good choice from pakistan

[@rayjynx]

This is why India doesnt buy American jets. You guys got lucky with the f-14s, they're really beautiful jets, hope they keep flying for as long as possible.

[@WorkingNomad368]

Highly unlikely that a crippled mystere was able to chase and then engage in a dogfight over enemy territory and then shoot it down. Normally, if you are hit, the first thing you try to do is egress as soon as possible

[@adityavikramsampath2695]

The PAF Pilot admitted it after being shot down again over India in the 1971 War and being captured as a POW

[@WorkingNomad368]

@@adityavikramsampath2695 just to confirm I saw this report again and the POW stated that there was a collision and that was the ‘admission’

[@cannonfodder4376]

In Korea and Vietnam, recent scholarship has revealed a much more nuanced and accurate history of what happened in their air wars. I am not sure that will ever happen with any India pakistan conflicts. So much contestation and other chips on the shoulder to preclude such scholarship. A good video Showtime.

[@showtime112]

Thank you for the comment! Yes, Indo-Pakistani conflicts are unfinished and that is a serious problem. Vietnam is finished and you can see a book written by a Vietnamese author which disputes many American aerial victories published in the USA. That's completely unthinkable here :)

[@sohrabroozbahani4700]

AIM9B was basically a bomber killer missile, it had a narrow operational envelope and not very good as a dogfight weapon, K13 was subsequently even less reliable, both suffering from a very low G tolerance... during this war both 104s and 21s were relatively new weapons introduced to their forces in low numbers, moat of the reason none received much chance to shin in action was that they were unfamiliar assets and were both used sparingly...

[@showtime112]

True. I read a funny comment once that these early missiles required a full cooperation of their targets :)

[@arvind50]

The F104 was notoriously called widow maker and there was a very specific reason. It was sluggish at speeds below mach 1. The wings were very short at only 18 feet and this made them efficient only at high speeds. One interesting part was the leading edge was so sharp that the F104 team used to use it as knife (not really but just for fun). The F104 was designed for one specific purpose, escort supersonic bombers on their mission and you were not expected to dog fight at slow speed with subsonic aircraft with just a cannon. Therein lies the problem. If the mystere had to engage the mystere contingent, it had to slow down and this will make it vulnerable and though the 104 managed to shoot one, a second one behind managed to whack the rudder controls and this made the already slow 104 almost impossible to fly. This is also corroborated by a compilation book by Jagan and Samir. Cheers

[@pencilpauli9442]

"If the mystere had to engage the mystere contingent, it had to slow down and this will make it vulnerable" Or not engage in a slow turning dogfight, but use the F-104's superior speed and climb rate to shoot and scoot

[@alejandrocasalegno1657]

The Mystere Vs the F-104 is like the MiG-17 against the F-4 in Vietnam, the MiG victory was very difficult....but not impossible as the history show...

[@showtime112]

Exactly. Older gen fighter can still defeat a newer gen one under the right circumstances. Even though you can always find comments from people saying that this is impossible :)

[@juancarlosperezcortes9259]

Master, you were wrong. This second part was a treasure of knowledge. Thanks for highlighting our Satueday with your videos

[@showtime112]

Thank you very much for this positive feedback!

[@jimsaintamour2]

Fantastic as always!!

[@showtime112]

Thank you so much for yet another donation!

[@slimkhalifadogg]

16:30 Pakistan does claim destruction of most of Indian MiG-21s received by that point on an airstrike on Pathankot air base on 6 September 16:41 however during the 1971 war Pakistan did receive F-104s from Jordan, which according to Pakistan were not used offensively, and some were claimed shot down by India

[@himanshusingh-st7xi]

Acc. To PAF, they also won all war against india🥲

[@PakistanAviation-47]

@@himanshusingh-st7xiWrong, P.A.F. claimed successful Airstrike on ,Haryana ,Jammu (IOK) ,Srinagar (IOK) ,Amritsar ,Delhi ,Pathankot ,Rajasthan & Halwara. (Includes Multiple air strikes on Pathankot ,Rajasthan.)

[@offshorequest]

Part 2 did not disappoint ! Another good video about a lesser known conflict.

[@showtime112]

I'm happy to hear it, thank you!

[@donparker1823]

Thanks!

[@showtime112]

I appreciate your continuous support!

[@terrynewsome6698]

Could you do the breguet 1050 alize in the serves of the India Navy?

[@showtime112]

Currently no, Alize is not available in any of the sims I use.

[@louislochner5713]

I've been looking forward to part two & it didn't disappoint 👌🏼

[@showtime112]

I'm happy to hear that, thanks!

[@tofu1888]

Always looking forward to ur videos, never would have known about these sorties without them, keep up the goodwork

[@showtime112]

I'm happy to hear it, thank you for the positive comment!

[@pablopeter3564]

EXCELLENT as usal. Remarkable piece of historical aviation chapter. Too bad that both countries have different versions of their respecive casualties. Keep working on these great videos of yours. THANKS.

[@showtime112]

Thank you for the amazing feedback series :) Yes, it seems unlikely that the versions will be agreed upon by these two nations.

[@whammo11224]

Nice! What sim are you using for this?

[@showtime112]

Thank you! It's War Thunder.

[@adamt4051]

I hope you will make video about B57 ops aswell

[@Spitfiresammons]

The F-104 must be the weirdest fighter of the Cold War great video please do the story of aces of the British pacific fleet.

[@showtime112]

Thank you for the comment! Pacific is definitely a topic I want to research in the future.

[@khanjarral]

awesome work...Have you uploaded MM Alam

[@marwanahmad8270]

​​@@victor256in No needs to tell that who you are😂😂.

[@joaquimfurtado4868]

​@@marwanahmad8270alam shot downed 5 indian aircraft in 4 second imagine he had 1 minute he would had shot down entire IAF

[@marwanahmad8270]

@@joaquimfurtado4868 Side effect of Bollywood movies🤪🤪.

[@showtime112]

Thank you! I haven't covered that story yet. I'm sometimes reluctant to do these well known ones as there's always a chance that I miss some source. But I'll get there one day :)

[@khanjarral]

@@showtime112 thank you.. your videos are knowledgeable and takes us back in time... MM Alam's heroics are also part of the world record and his effort is acknowledged by most of the world except India which is understandable as they were at the receiving end... MM Alam was a down to earth and very humble man and never shown any pride for his accomplishment. He deserves to be on this great page of yours. Rafiqui was another hero of Pak who lost his plane in india in a dog fight and pak acknowledged it

[@branka1980]

Great video! 👍

[@showtime112]

Hvala!

[@tungteo1190]

Thanks

[@showtime112]

Thank you very much for yet another donation!

[@antimimoniakos]

Nice video thank you.

[@showtime112]

Thank you for watching!

[@TheLincolnshireFlyer]

Thanks for the video 😊

[@showtime112]

Thank you for watching!

[@YahyaAhmedSiddiqui-x1k]

Pakistani f-104s have one of the best combat history as compared to other operators of the f-104. They only lost 2 f-104s.

[@mrxyz8366]

Due but what about the ones lost by ground attacks?

[@sobant4795]

​@@mrxyz8366 yes they count in war but in the aviation record they dont mean much...its the ones u lose in the air that tarnish ur recird as an airforce....

[@indraadi]

in '71 war PAF lost a bunch of F-104s.

[@mrxyz8366]

@@sobant4795 yes that's why the world map changed and something like the "east Pakistan" disappeared from the world map😂

[@mrxyz8366]

@@sobant4795 first learn the spelling of 'record' then come to compare them😂

[@ET-mr4iu]

Before your videos, i though the F-104 had never seen combat 👍

[@showtime112]

It is true that other parts of the Starfighter's service are much better known (high losses in the Luftwaffe primarily). Thank you for commenting!

[@ET-mr4iu]

@@showtime112 it had the same reputation in the RCAF as a widow maker. I don't think using it as a strike aircraft was a good idea.

[@Eric-kn4yn]

​@@showtime112 lucky warsaw pact never invaded nato F104 would have been a liabilty how lockheed sold them so well is a ???

[@kaushleshmishra342]

Bro you are my first youtuber who accept my reply 😮😮❤❤❤

[@captainparv5009]

cant wait for you to cover the 1971 air war

[@showtime112]

A bunch of videos about the 1971 war have already been produced, check the channel and look 'Indo-Pak Wars' playlist if you missed them.

[@saleem956ify]

yes, just like they shot down an F16 with a Mig 21 without firing a single shot.

[@mrxyz8366]

Yes just like Pakistanis claimed they captured 3 Indian pilots and downed three jets, later they agreed that they only captured one piloted and downed one jet, accepting their lies😂

[@mrxyz8366]

@@snd9826 Thats the reason why today india is far ahead of pakistan, you guys think commenting on youtube and being a keyboard warrior will strengthen your country🤣😂. you should better care about your country being ran by your "fauj"

[@singatakberpura]

The truth will be out. You can't hide it. We know the american maintenance team appeared in the site after the crash. Abhinandan had mentioned he did call in the missile firing to base and got the clear go ahead.

[@singatakberpura]

​@@snd9826Nope. Indian intelligence had lock on 300 simcards that was pinging from the compound. Do you think its goats that are using mobile phones with simcards. Pakistan lost its f16 in training a week after that. What a nice cover up.

[@himanshugautam3405]

Possibility of F104 being downed by debris appears to be higher

[@showtime112]

I have to agree with that

[@moime3300]

Orange Putter RWR, part of the 'Rainbow Code' system ARI 5800 airborne passive radar warning receiver tuned to Soviet AI radars and fitted to Canberra and Valiant. It was a passive receiver, not a transmitter.

[@showtime112]

I came across multiple sources which call it a tail-radar. Besides, if it were RWR why would pilots turn it off on low altitudes? They were afraid that F-104s could detect it and RWR can't be detected by anything.

[@chadrowe8452]

Any WW1 content possible?

[@showtime112]

It is technically possible as a platform exists (Flying Circus). I just need to get an inspiration to go in that direction. Might happen someday.

[@dominiqueroudier9401]

0:50 .Hello again mate, just seen video on my TV HD this morning. Helped with my 2 books about "world wide"F104. I can read the 2 versions of this fight. F104 shot mystère 4 but hit by débris or swallowed by engine. And also F104 going in dogfight 👎👎with mystère 4 ,and hit by 30mm shells. And i add that Taïwan give 2 F104 to Pakistan following war attrition !!

[@showtime112]

Thank for providing info like you always do!

[@anguscovoflyer95]

These things happen in war where both sides still hate each other with a passion. They provide different versions of events

[@showtime112]

Yeah, these conflicts are not really over yet.

[@RajeevSingh-kq8fl]

In a democracy it's very hard to hide things. However, in a country who is originally ruled by an Army or a dictator, it very easy to hide things and give flase statements. Pakistan changed its statements many times but was unable to give any reasonable evidence. But, india provided radar evidence. Western countries and their media always favoured Pakistan as it use western equipments and it has a strategic location to counter russia and china. India mostly uses Russian equipments, and western media has always been obsessed against russia. If one go through the records, he will find pakistan did well against india. But in reality, india won all the wars.

[@fahadnazir945]

Yeah the way mig 21 won from f16 Only feku always feku

[@Gyaaneshwar8508]

Biased comment since you are Indian.

[@iftikharfaridy2974]

India was in no knowledge of this Mystere pilot untill 1979, when it some how find this incident in a book written by a western writer based on what Pakistani Airforce excepted about a loss of Starfighter . . If PAF is so biased, than better not accept this incident and take away that Vir Chakra Award from that dead pilot . .

[@sobant4795]

@RajeevSingh-kq8fl except for 71 indian didnt win anything my friend.....the LOC is still there after 3 wars....if india had won anything then the LOC would not have been there....Moreover u said in a democracy things are difficult to hide...well thats a total sham of a statement does RAW works publically in INDIA???.....if u think its difficult to hide then BJP gov must be some genius who hide an entire Su30 and the dead bodies of about 100 troops from the face of the earth apart from the first day where social media posts were made by the local officials doctors quoting the death of many troops and injured aswell in RAJOURI HOSPITAL....hell even INDIAN TODAY broadcasted live on that day that SU 30 was indeed shot down near SIRINAGAR AIRBASE and ground reporter confirm it aswell.....and about 15 days later a certain SQ. LDR AKASH PANDEY died in a mysterious bike crash near gues what??? SIRINAGAR AIRBASE...... Pakistan is the most leaky country in the world where if u wana find someone u can find him in a matter of days nobody keeps their mouths shut....but not one leak from pak side about the F16 yet their were hundreds of leaks on the indian side on social media as well as the digital media....until ofcourse the govt.'s directive to keep quite in national intrest just they did kept quite on that MI17 heli fratricide for about 3 months until elections were done and dusted......so dont bring ur sham of a logic about democracy....In pakistan army cant move their magic wand in the air and disapear a friggin f16 with 0 leaks......one more thing the funny claim of india about that f104 missile being blasted before impact is laughable since missiles dont blast when they miss their targets😂

[@AT-bo6ww]

@@iftikharfaridy2974 PAF is known to hide losses, and when American built aircraft are involved, it is common knowledge that the US assists in hiding them. Best example was back in the Afghan War, a PAF F-16 was shot down by his own wingman. In order to save face, PAF and Pentagon claimed the F-16 was shot down by a Soviet MiG-23. A Pakistani journalist had uncovered the truth decades later. PAF also has trouble sticking to its story. Another good example is what happened in 2019. DG-ISPR changed his statement around 3 times, confusing the number of aircraft shot down, parachutes in the air and pilots captured. After India specifically asked the US to release the official count of F-16s, the Pentagon conveniently said it's an internal matter between PAF and the US. If only Pakistan would listen like the good little pets they are when India says Kashmir is an internal matter of India😂. As unbiased as I'm trying to be, it's much harder to believe Pakistani accounts than Indian.

[@alvarvillalongamarch3894]

What a messed up story.Impossible to know the truth...Great work.

[@showtime112]

Thank you! It is pretty confused and it's really not an exception.

[@jamessnyder1175]

F104 is a rocket with a man in it.

[@showtime112]

One of its many, many nicknames :)

[@precydcosta6329]

You haven't mentioned about the Beechcraft shot down by PAF

[@showtime112]

Why would I mention that in a video about F-104?

[@precydcosta6329]

Because it happened on 19/9 65.My dad was the co pilot on that plane.

[@bestestusername]

WOW a military video not sponsored by war thunder lol, well done

[@showtime112]

Not for a lack of trying :) Thank you for the comment!

[@neonsamuel8729]

Only two mysteries of no 1 sqdn sqdn davaya and sqdn LDR Uppal lost lives.and on the night of 13 sep 1965 one B57 shot down by ground fire and I saw a ball of fire in sky and we were delighted very much . One mystere flew so low in Pakistan that telephone wires were hanging on pylon tanks the aircraft flown by sqdn LDR Dutta . There were very heavy blows on Pakistan by Mysteries from Adampur and Pathankot and gnats escorted mysteries .

[@Bob-b7x6v]

The F-104 was more of a danger to itself than enemy aircraft.

[@adamt4051]

Devia formation bombed WW2 abandoned strip outside sargodha by the main base also known Chota aka small sargodha his plane crashed at kot Nakah close to pindi Bahttian

[@muslehuddinbilal3548]

وہ متروک ایئر سٹرپ سرگودھا سے مغرب کی سمت 92 چک کے قریب تھی شاید۔ ایک کینبرا جہلم دریا کے اس پار تھل میں بھی گرا تھا غالبا کھاٹواں ضلع خوشاب کے قریب۔

[@adamt4051]

@@muslehuddinbilal3548G exactly it used to call Chota sargodha also one canebara shot during 71 war at sakesar area near Khushab by Mirage during nite by Naeem Atta

[@VC27]

Please read 'Six to Gehenna', a historical fiction dedicated to the air warfare between the IAF and the PAF. The book is endorsed by the Marshal of the Indian Air Force, Arjan Singh, D.F.C. The author has recanted this particular incident after an in depth interview with one of the pilots who took part on the raid and was almost pushed off the runway while taxying for take off. Did you know that A.B. Devayya was not a part of the initial raid? He was a standby pilot who was detailed to take off only in case if any of the designated pilots returned to base due to engine trouble, malfunction, etc. However, the raiders were rather surprised to see him taxying on the runway, practically pushing a squadron mate off. Thereafter, he met his destiny. The only PAF pilot to have been shot down twice by the Indian forces in 1965 and 1971 was S/L Amjad Hussain. He is the person who informed the Indians about the heroic deeds of Devayya in 1965. Had it not been for his testimony, Devayya would not have been recognised by the Indian Government.

[@nandanvalavaikar5443]

One thing is certain Indian air force pilots were highly skilled to face superior aircrafts. They fought valiantly and outfoxed PAF various times.

[@MuhammadIqbal-dg8er]

For information of Air Comodore Khalid Chishti and AVM Amjad Hussain for his two failure inadvertantly

[@samnigam3451]

2nd or 3rd version seem correct starfighter scored a victory then 2nd Mystiere shot down 104 starfighter. PAF lost 4 F-104s 2 on ground n 2 in Air combat during 1965 War. In 1971 War IAF shot down more Pakistani Sabre jets star fighters n Mig 19s

[@jaggar28]

10:08 So after shooting down the Pakistani fighter, the Flight LT. Devaya just dove into the ground for no reason and died??? Or did I miss something here?

[@malithaw]

Great video as usual. I hope you will keep covering these non western conflicts more man :)

[@showtime112]

Thanks a lot! Yes, such conflicts shall continue to be covered in the future.

[@kartiktiriya2265]

THIS IS SUCH A FAST RESPONSE LAST TIME I WROTE ABOUT IT AND NOW IT IS HERE MY LOVE FOR YOUR CHANNEL

[@showtime112]

But you know, it doesn't always work this way :)

[@JoeCool_1962]

Excellent vidéo, it’s always hard to think that the F-104 could be a good dogfighter

[@showtime112]

Thank you very much! It does have a bad reputation in that area :)

[@peterasp1968]

Looks unlikely since we are talking of 2 different generations of aircraft. It would be like a Heinkel He 51 shooting down a Hurricane Mk I in 1939.

[@muzamilarshad9006]

F_86 in 1965 🇵🇰🤜🇨🇮

[@showtime112]

There will be stories about that in the future, thank you for commenting!

[@faisalmehmood9116]

It seems unlikely that a damaged Mystere still could have manoeuvred to pursue the F 104, and most probably the flying debris from stricken Mystere would have been a good reason. However the villagers eyewitness accounts mentioned that Mystere put up a good fight. This has been mentioned by a PAF veteran of war and author as well.

[@maroofgulrehman8754]

Vagabond a badmash nickname of 104 a legand mark star fighter

[@renatoandricevic8638]

104 je stalno na dodatnom izgaranju goriva, to troši puno goriva za tako vremenski duge borbe. Zar ne?

[@showtime112]

Točno. Doduše, borba se odvijala u blizini matične baze Starfightera pa nije trebalo previše goriva do nje.

[@Bob-b7x6v]

Thanks for covering the less-popular wars. Man that just sounds wrong.

[@showtime112]

Thank you for watching!

[@ARCISX]

Yes, yes it did.

[@sunnyvivekvaid]

Jo video dekho , F104 Starfighter k tutne ki hoti hai. Ye aatm-ghati jahaz the kya ?

[@mrxyz8366]

You should cover the incident when a NATO fifth gen aircraft probably the nighthawk was shot down over Yugoslavia, coz there were no other aircraft involved rather than the SAM

[@jukeseyable]

the night hawk wasnt a 5th gen aircraft, it was the first aircraft to enter service that featured geometric stealth construction. also there is no "probably" it was definitely a f 117 27 th march 1999

[@RogerSingh7]

Please play the story of valiant IAF Flying Officer Nirmal Jeet Singh Sekhon

[@jarednelson1634]

I'm gonna look for a starfighter models with that livery its kinda' cool SECOND GREAT VID!!!✌🏻👍🏻

[@showtime112]

Thanks a lot! I like liveries that saw some real combat and this one definitely did.

[@kaiserkhan1554]

Why was Sqn Ldr given the Gallantry award so late in 1988? Abhinandan was also awarded after two years. The Indians wait for the dust to settle so that no one questions the veracity.

[@eduardodeandres3864]

Muy buen trabajo. Me ha encantado. Gracias de nuevo

[@showtime112]

Thanks a lot, I'm happy to hear you liked it!

[@joeshmoe9978]

Well made video 🎬📹🏅

[@showtime112]

Thank you very much!

[@naherf385]

No. Its debris hit F-104.

[@showtime112]

If I had to choose one version, that one makes sense.

[@zanderlabuschagne2368]

let us know if the different title makes a difference.

[@showtime112]

Nope. Algorithm clearly knows it's part 2 as the first one had four times as many views at this point 😁

[@Ghostyboi6969]

Imagine having star fighters in ur Air force but still loosing 💀

[@lionzzz]

I think if u dont know shit about military you shout just stfu

[@kilcar]

I feel for all involved,their families. These brave pilots loss punches a hole in humanities spirit. We must find a means to stop the hatred and cycle of vengeance and retaliation. God is watching us.

[@ratagris21]

Great video with an aviation mystery as complex as the disappearance of Amelia Earhart. Great presentation as always from Showtime 112! ♠️🎩🎯🎱🇺🇲🏁🇮🇱🇺🇦🔱🌸🌸🌼🏵️💮🏴‍☠️🏹

[@showtime112]

Except that they might actually solve the Amelia Earhart mystery but this one is unlikely 😁Thanks once again!

[@tibzig1]

Amjad was from the same GD as my father.

[@danyahsan3958]

Do a video on M m Alam world record

[@shahidmehmood7944]

Remaining in 3 years pow in India Amjad did not let Indian know that he killed devyaya.in 1965 war,6 years ago

[@showtime112]

It's quite understandable that he would want to hide something like that.

[@shahidmehmood7944]

@@showtime112 I was expected such a reasonable reply,thnx.

[@tauqeerhaider9373]

I read in a book, named: پاک فضائیہ کی داستانِ شُجاعت That the Amjad Hussain kill both Mystere, that morning. Let's hope they wrote truth.

[@nassermj7671]

WIKIPEDIA: ~ Pakistan losses 20 aircraft ~ India 75 (!!)

[@swapnaneeldas3227]

@@nassermj7671 and?

[@MalikBruri]

PAK. PILOT MR MM. ALAM WAS MADE WORLD RECORD FOR DROWNING 5 JET WITHIN ONE MINUTES IN WAR 1965 - UN BEATABLE WORLD RECORD UPTO 2024 --

[@Diadema033]

I would go for the mid-air collision. Neverthless an F-104 was lost to shot down a Mystere and that's really matters.

[@Bob-b7x6v]

The Canberra killers had some Uber-British names.

[@showtime112]

There were plenty of pilots of mixed origin there and they were usually given full British names.

[@medokrusko]

👍

[@showtime112]

Hvala Medo!

[@monoza8312]

If he able to shoot down the PAK fighter even after sustaining damages and had ability to dogfight, seems like he had plenty of time for that Bollywood stunt then obvious question is why he didn’t bail out before the crash. Indian likes to add Bollywood masala in every aspect of their version of the event. Anyone interested in Tea!

[@branka4226]

👍

[@showtime112]

Hvala za komentar!

[@KapeeshJain]

Pakistan got this aircraft from uncle sam in BHEEK MAIN

[@jamesrogers5783]

i don't believe either of um--

[@iftikharfaridy2974]

No issues . . Neither a Starfighter was lost nor a Mystere . . This dog fight never happened at all . . This video was a fiction . . 😁😁😁

[@dmdmdmdmdmdm]

😊

[@showtime112]

Thank you!

[@MalikBruri]

NO DOUBT PAKISTAN IS PAKISTAN

[@shahzadaslam384]

indians have the habbit to glorify their losses by narrating the hero version of themself that cannot be proved by themself let alone others fighter pilots never mistake to fight in another's preferred position they will alwasy fight in a position that they are trained as of their aircraft capabilities, otherwise they safe themself and plane to fight for another day F104 is a faster plane why Pakistani pilot will fight in a turning fight with a slower fighter ? in part 1, F104 was successful killing the indian taking advantage of it's speed and rocket. yes Pakistani version makes sense as being fighter pilot you go any length to shoot down other guy and when indian mig explode, F104 could not avoid it's parts

[@rahulramanujan7919]

first comment

[@showtime112]

Congratulations! :)

[@iftikharfaridy2974]

😂​@@showtime112

[@rawdyrider]

One thing is for sure.You just cannot believe any Indian account.Professional liars and deniers.Got a good lambasting in 65 aerial war as well as in 71.Did better in 71 but still Paf performed better.

[@siroccowind736]

The Pakistanis were using US aircraft. And the Indians were using French and some Soviet aircraft. I cannot support them. That's explains India's vacillating support for the US and then later our enemies. I support the Pakistanis and believe their version in that war.

[@Spey_Phantom]

seriously, isnt there one youtuber who hasnt sold out to sponsors?

[@showtime112]

If someone told you that you should do your job for free or for less than minimum wage, what would you tell them?

[@memonk11]

​@@showtime112Amen.

[@showtime112]

@@Randomly_BrowsingShow me a corporation that treats its workers 100 percent fairly. Corporations are like that and the workers always have a freedom to find another job if they hate the one they have. Speaking of WT, I was reprimanded by a viewer from Ukraine for using it. He pointed to an interview in which Gaijin management speaks in favor of Russian aggression against his country. So, it's easy to be self righteous but there's no such thing as a perfect sponsor. Or a viewer which won't be annoyed by something.

[@shubhampandey9497]

Maturity is when you realize An Indian mig21 did the same with paxtuni F16 😂😂😂

[@INSANESUICIDE]

Oh boy, the comments are going to get spicy 🤣

[@chups1447]

👍

[@showtime112]

Thanks Chups!