DCS World - Cyprus 1974 - How Turks Sank Their Own Warship

[@showtime112]

One correction, the recon aircraft mentioned was in fact RF-84 (not RF-82 as said in the video). Thanks for understanding!

[@MrGutral]

Loved it! By the way, could you share me your trackir profile please?

[@showtime112]

@@MrGutral I use Delanclip, I'm not sure if that would work for you.

[@MrGutral]

@@showtime112 ahm ok 👌 I think isn't compatible with trackir5. It looks very nice. Good video buddy. Keep growing

[@showtime112]

@@MrGutral Thanks! Keep watching!

[@Daniel-jq4qk]

Def. Not a problem. Keep up the good work! You're getting better with your shots I noticed too and just very creative in solving some pretty hard tasks like getting correct aircraft or assets to try and make it as realistic as possible I give props to you for that bud! Doing great at your recreations of events look forward to watching more!

[@MrZazzles94]

A starfighter doing ground attack or surface strike always feels to me like I'm watching a thoroughbred racehorse pull a plough.

[@showtime112]

A plane's gotta do what a plane's gotta do :)

[@drenek1]

A starfighter doing anything else than crashing always feels to me like a miracle.

[@patgould2586]

@@drenek1 They weren't called 'Lawn Darts' for nothing!

[@16rumpole]

@@drenek1 you beat me to it, what a piece of shit plane it was. I don't know why a lot of people talk about it with such reverence.

[@rossmum]

Because they actually bother to research it rather than repeat muck-raking headlines from the German media 60 years ago. Check up on the accident rates for other operators, or even the yearly distribution of accidents for the Luftwaffe - it was far from perfect, but it absolutely does not deserve its reputation and said reputation is not even based in fact. All jets of that era had high accident rates by modern standards, and numerous air forces went straight from subsonic jets to the 104. It's not suprising there were some skill issues for the first few years.

[@mrbomb2815]

*Cypriots:* we accidently shot down a plane full of greek commandos. *The turks:* observe.

[@showtime112]

Yes, that is the other major friendly fire incident of the war.

[@aigleroyal3941]

MrBomb2 It was not "a" plane but planes! Niki 3, Niki 4 and Niki 6!!!

[@hariszark7396]

Sadly it's true.

[@Chorophilax]

@@aigleroyal3941 only Niki-4 was shot down though. The other 2 Noraltas landed but were unusable

[@aigleroyal3941]

@@Chorophilax Το γνωρίζω!

[@BringBacktheGreeks]

That was a rare and mostly unknown incident of friendly fire, and I thank you indeed. As far as i know from people serving at that time, the confusion was created by an old Greek LST, maybe intentionaly by its Captain Handrinos, bombarding (with its Bofors 40mm) a turkish cypriot outpost near Paphos. The turkishcypriot defenders trying to convince the Turkish Airforce to help them ASAP, reported attack by the Greek fleet of several warships. It has been recorded by the Greek radios, that after the initial attack, which mortally wounded the Kocatepe and 4 planes, the turkish seamen recognized their own planes, and started calling them on the radio. The Turkish pilots were so convinced they were Greeks trying to fool them, did not believe them, adding to the confusion when they gave the previous day's codes, which provoked the captain of «Kocatepe» (D354) Giuven Erkayia, to curse at them. The pilots started laughing that the Greeks were such good liars, they knew how to curse in turkish very well. Anyway, the incident, like the whole war was a tragic mistake that was paid in unecessary blood and tears by both sides !

[@showtime112]

Thank you very much for contributing additional info. Perhaps the lesson here is that you shouldn't be fooled by prejudice. It seems that Turkish pilots thought Greeks to be so sneaky that they were able to learn to speak perfect Turkish. When you think about it rationally, that's very unlikely.

[@BringBacktheGreeks]

@@showtime112 you are very correct !

[@TheLEE89]

@@showtime112 No that’s very likely indeed, owing to Greek minority in Turkey could speak Turkish like their native language (like Turkish minority in Greece) and at that time there were a lot of Anatolian-Greek who were serving in the Greek Army. So it was rational for Turkish pilots to believe Greek were fooling them.

[@ΛουκάςΝικολαΐδης-σ9τ]

@@TheLEE89 There is no Turkish minority in Greece. There is Muslim minority.

[@showtime112]

@@TheLEE89 That's a factor I didn't consider. Thanks for pointing it out.

[@geo322242]

Whatever the Turks touch dies. And I do not mean it in a strong way. Look at Cyprus now. The free part is part of EU with a good economy and good living standards. Look at the North side the Turks took, hunger, poor, no recognition because it is an illegal invasion. I mean the best they could be was the same as Turkey and Turkey is starving as well. Waiting for free tea and onions to survive and they think they are a superpower. Superpowers treat their people better not like slaves to a Sultan...

[@burmeisterundwain]

north side is much better than turkey itself for sure and i dont think people are starving also what about greek economy

[@lpelectronics3747]

24 F4 was operational with Greek air force and no one in Turkish air force in July of ’74. But never military leaders send them to Cyprus. The only official Greek army force in Cyprus was ELDYK (around 1200 men) and a battalion of paratroopers plus some officers of Cypriot National Guard. So the ’74 Cyprus incident is not technically a Greek-Turkish “war”… The “fake” radio broadcast is not accurate. A tank carrier of Greek Navy named “LESVOS” was the previous day at Pafos. It’ was carrying replacement soldiers for ELDYK. After war erapted at Pafos, Greek Cypriots asked for help to defeat Turk Cypriot garrison of the town. ELDYK soldiers on the ship used the antiaircraft bofors of “LESVOS” to help Greek Cypriots. Probably from bombardment confusion and fear Turkish garrison leader had the false impression that there is a Greek fleet somewhere near Pafos. “LESVOS” after that incident followed a route to Egypt instead the expected to Crete. So the only ships in area next day was the Turkish and the story more or less is as you mention.-

[@showtime112]

Thanks for contributing those details.

[@antimimoniakos]

Greece received 6 F-4E on 5th of April and by July weren't operational.

[@lpelectronics3747]

@@antimimoniakos Λόγω ηλικίας δεν έχω προσωπική άποψη για τον Ιούλιο του ‘74. Λόγω προσωπικής εμμονής όμως έχω διαβάσει χωρίς κομματικές παρωπίδες τι γράφουν άνθρωποι που έπαιξαν κάποιο ρόλο στα γεγονότα. Ορίστε λοιπόν τι γράφει ο Πτέραρχος Μπαλές για το θέμα των εν λόγω αεροσκαφών που “δεν ήταν επιχειρησιακά”. “Η ΑΠΑΝΤΗΣΗ ΣΤΟ ΑΡΘΡΟ ΤΗΣ ΚΑΘΗΜΕΡΙΝΗΣ ΤΟΥ ΠΤΕΡΑΡΧΟΥ ΠΑΝΑΓΙΩΤΗ ΜΠΑΛΕ ΠΡΟΣ: Την Εφημ. ΚΑΘΗΜΕΡΙΝΗ Παπάγου, 7 Απριλίου 2020 Κύριε Διευθυντά, …….. Θέλω, επίσης, εξ αρχής να βεβαιώσω, τον κ. Καθηγητή και κάθε ενδιαφερόμενο, ότι η κατατιθέμενη σήμερον μαρτυρία μου βασίζεται απολύτως σε πραγματικά στοιχεία των εξελίξεων της εισβολής, καθόσον, Πρώτον, εβίωσα τα γεγονότα της εισβολής εκ των έσω, τόσον ως χειριστής της Μοίρας ΡΗΑΝΤΟΜ, όσον και ως άμεσα εμπλεκόμενος στον επιχειρησιακό σχεδιασμό της και Δεύτερον, διότι υπήρξα ο τότε Αρχηγός (1) της μιας 4άδος - εκ των δύο - α/φών Βομβαρδισμού (2) ΡΗΑΝΤΟΜ, που διετάχθη από την τότε Ηγεσία της ΠΑ, να μετασταθμεύσει στην Κρήτη και προετοιμασθεί τάχιστα, για να εξουδετερωθεί το προγεφύρωμα, του Αττίλα Ι, στην Κύπρο. (1) Της άλλης 4άδος Βομβαρδισμού ΡΗΑΝΤΟΜ ηγείτο ο πρόσφατα εκλιπών, εξαίρετος Αεροπόρος και γενναίος μαχητής Πτέραρχος (Ι) ε.α. Στέφανος Γ. Σκρέκας, (2) Όλα τα α/φη ΡΗΑΝΤΟΜ είχαν εξοπλισθεί με διασπειρόμενα βομβίδια ROCKEYE, από τα πλέον αποτελεσματικά όπλα της εποχής, ικανά να καταστρέψουν τεθωρακισμένα οχήματα μεταφοράς προσωπικού μάχης και ΤΑΝΚS. ….” Προσέξτε παρακαλώ τον “επιχειρησιακό σχεδιασμό” διότι δεν μπορεί να εμπλακεί σε “επιχειρησιακό σχεδιασμό” έμπειρος χειριστής με μέσα που δεν έχουν “κηρυχθεί επιχειρησιακά”. Επίσης άσχετα με τα F4 αν διαβάσει κανείς τον δημοσιευμένο “φάκελο της Κύπρου” από το Ελληνικό Κοινοβούλιο εκεί με έκπληξη θα δει μαρτυρία βουλευτή (μου διαφεύγει το όνομα) πρώην στελέχους της Πολεμικής Αεροπορίας όπου αναφέρει πως έγινε δοκιμαστική πτήση από την Κρήτη στο πεδίο βολής Ελασσόνας με προσομοίωση φόρτου όπλων - καυσίμων - χρόνου και προφίλ πτήσεως για Κύπρο πάνω από θαλάσσιο χώρο κάπου μεταξύ Σαββάτου και Κυριακής της εισβολής, με αεροσκάφος F84 και ανέφερε ο ίδιος πως τα συμπεράσματα στα μεσαία στελέχη της αεροπορίας ήταν ότι ο βομβαρδισμός του προγεφυρώματος μπορούσε να πραγματοποιηθεί από τεχνικής απόψεως. Τώρα το τι ακολούθησε από πολιτική διαχείριση είναι άλλο θέμα.-

[@antimimoniakos]

@@lpelectronics3747 Για να το λέει έτσι θα είναι. Ακόμα θα μπορούσε να χρησιμοποιηιούν τα F-86. Έγιναν ήμουν μικρός και δεν ξέρω πολλά. Γι' αυτό που περιγράφει το βίντεο νόμιζα ότι επρόκειτο για ένα πλοίο και δεν ήξερα για την κατάριψη του αεροσκάφους. Αυτό που ξέρω είναι ότι ο πατέρας μου πήγε στην στρατολογία στο Γ' σώμα στρατού, τον έστειλαν στον τόπο καταγωγής 220 χιλιόμετρα μακριά, εκεί του είπαν ότι κακώς πήγε, επέστρεψε στο Γ' σώμα στρατού όπου τελικά "τον βρήκαν" και του ανέθεσαν καθήκοντα. Η επιστράτευση παρωδία έδειξε ότι ο στρατός ήταν σε άθλια κατάσταση. Πολλοί λένε γιατί ο Καραμανλής δεν έκανε πόλεμο στον Αττίλα 2. Προφανώς γιατί ακόμα δεν έλεγχε τίποτα. Η προδοσία της Κύπρου είχε αρχίσει με την απόσυρση της μεραρχίας γιατί ο Παπαδόπουλος είχε άθλιες σχέσεις με τον Μακάριο.

[@antimimoniakos]

@@lpelectronics3747 Επίσης λέει για δύο τετράδες ή για 6 αεροσκάφη; Ο Παττακός σε συνέντευξη είπε ότι η Ελλάδα είχε 6 Phantom.

[@jaydeister9305]

A friend of mine, was in the Canadian Armed Forces (the army), and he deployed to Cyprus for a year as a peacekeeper. The line separating both parties was either red or yellow, and very narrow in some spots. Cyprus is small, so fitting two nationalities/countries on that little rock is pretty tough. He has stories, etc.

[@showtime112]

This certainly is one big interesting story. I had a general idea about it before doing this video but I did some more research. With Turkey currently acting the way it does, who know what else might happen here.

[@razor1uk610]

@@showtime112 true, under Erdogan, Turkey is heading towards an Islamist dictatorship state who profiteered from Daesh/Islamic State purchasing weapons, ammo, and the hotels & travel and transport into and out of ISIS Territoriy during it's existence. Erdogan, the destroyer of Kamal Atatürk doesn't care so long as Daesh killed Kurds, Anmenians and Christians, and persons & people's that Erdogan wished 'reduced'.

[@mrgreek7221]

Only Turks can sank theirs own ships 😂😂 Turks taken 38/100 of Cyprus not because they was stronger from Greece, but because England helping Turkey and USA too pushing our hunta regim not react against Turks ... Just few Greeks remaining in island of Cyprus fighting against Turkish airforce, tanks, artillery, infantry

[@Alexander29854]

Long time ago Turks in NATO exercise couldn’t find Malta saying the famous Malta Yok ! Having that in mind to sink one of their own ships is easy to be understood

[@turcarumimperator1395]

There were 27 turkish planes ( armed with MK82 and MK84 boms) and 3 Turkish warships(TCG adatepe, TCG kocatepe, TCG mareşal fevzi çakmak) in this incident. TCG Kocatepe was under the command of Liutenant colonel Güven Erkaya. Kocatepe sunk a few hours after the attack, 55 Turkish sailors died. 42 sailors were found by an israeli fisherman, , his name is Reuven Pinhasi. 39 sailors were rescued by a lebanese merchant, 110 sailors were rescued by british helicopters and and TCG Berk. Güven Erkaya became the commander of the Turkish naval forces in 1996.

[@showtime112]

Thanks for contributing more info!

[@Charlesputnam-bn9zy]

All in all, it was a bloody mess. The much-vilified-as-abhorrent Greek junta's regime had had a palace coup after student demonstrations the previous year (in November) that replaced Papadopoulos with Dimitrios Ioannides (bizarro but there was a similar palace coup following student demonstrations in Thailand 'bout the same time - October, & the bloody coup -September, in Chile, never assume them as unrelated.) Then in July 1974, a pro-junta coup broke out in Cyprus & a self-styled Sampson-Samson took power. & then Turkey under the leftist Bulent Ecevit obligingly invaded as if he's playing D-Day. The junta regime collapsed, but the Greeks were enraged at the Turkish invasion. & Nelson Rockefeller picked up as veep by President Ford said brightly : ''If I were a Greek, I would thank the Turks !''

[@Senorgusanos]

Dude, your content is so well made and fun to watch. Definitely my favorite DCS channel.

[@showtime112]

Wow, thanks! I'm glad you enjoy it, keep watching!

[@onkelmicke9670]

Kind of a onesided battle. No greeks were injured in this fight.

[@showtime112]

Absolutely one sided. The only involvement from the Greeks was that bogus radio broadcast. Make the enemy fight themselves. Sun Tzu would love it, I'm sure!

[@onkelmicke9670]

It must have been hard to hit that Starfighter flying fast and low with a small silhouette. Perhaps it just hit the water.

[@showtime112]

@@onkelmicke9670 It is a possibility. I couldn't find any more details other that one F-104 was lost. So I went with a logical assumption.

[@TLTeo]

It doesn't help the Turks (and Greeks) that their aircraft fleets were so similar. Both were equipped with F-104s, F-84s, RF-84s and F-5s. The main difference at the time was that Turkey also flew the F-100, and Greece the F-102. Both sides were probably extremely confused.

[@showtime112]

@@TLTeo That was certainly a huge factor behind what happened here. The 1974 Cyprus conflict is a rare one (the other significant one being the Falklands conflict) where all the weapons used were Western (except T-34 tanks used by the Cypriot National Guard I think).

[@grkantrker]

This is why ASELSAN born

[@georgemavris7596]

nice turk job! D o it always!!

[@LEO-os1jc]

Υπήρχε και Ελληνικό υποβρύχιο U-209 στην περιοχή...

[@foxdown]

That intelligence was given by the US Secretary of State...and constant jamming is given from nato base!..we must be choose our allies well !!!!!!

[@weissrw1]

Great music in the Cinematic Intro!!! Perfect!

[@showtime112]

I'm glad you liked it. The music is supposed to be more Arabic, I guess. But to a Western ear, it probably sounds right nevertheless 😁

[@weissrw1]

@@showtime112 You're right! Sitting here in Missouri in the middle of the US -- it sounded perfect. Love your work!!

[@jerichononroot3990]

Why great music Did you like it because it shows Turks as Arab?

[@weissrw1]

@@jerichononroot3990 I am from America. I don't know Arab music from Turkish music. I assumed the film maker used appropriate music. In any case the music was big and moving. I liked it. Did you?

[@justfly7730]

Actually the incident was the outcome of Turkish navy saying the have no ships on that area. Unknown to the navy 3 ships stationed at I think Italy was on their way back to Turkey on radio silence. Also one of the destroyers saved a downed pilot the day before and during the attacks. The pilot that has been resqued get to the radio and talked to the attacking pilots saying what squadron he is from , the names of some pilots etc then the attacking wing understood that it's their own ships and called of the attack but it was too late. It was not the airforces mistake. It was the navies. The following day no pilot wanted to go on any sorties. One of the top brass General talks to the pilots showing documents that the navy said there is no Turkish ships in the area, they are Greek ships. Told them they have done their jobs perfectly and it's the navy generals who had blood on their hands not the pilots.

[@showtime112]

Thanks for more info. The biggest mistake here is definitely the Navy saying they had no ships in the area. And then it just started to build up because you need several factors to coincide for something like this.

[@jaydefuca4153]

Moral lecture (while Turkey awaits for the TF2000): a nation can build and own many first line ships but they are of no use if a single WWII LST could cause such heavy losses. At the end it is not the ships that matter, but who commands them...

[@maxigenous]

@@showtime112 well, the thing is the bombardment continued for 5 hours. It was not 5 minutes. Someone should have realized it after a point...

[@MrDino1953]

With your emphasis on historic battles, I find this channel more engaging than the dog fights on Growling Sidewinder, which seem to just follow the same formula each time.

[@showtime112]

Thank you very much for that! GS is a nice guy and I sometimes watch his videos. But mostly, they are very similar and their emphasis is entertainment. Pitting a module with a professional flight model against a mod with a simple flight mode to see which one is a better dogfighter.... I don't know. Or Raptor vs Su-57?? But his formula still seems to work because he still gets tons of views. Also, I have to admit he can make brilliant historical reenactments when he wants to. But his usual stuff must be a lot easier and more efficient.

[@LockOnNow]

I have to agree regarding Growling Sidewinder. Maybe we have to draw a line here when it comes to DCS Dog Fight creators and DCS history content creators GS is good with all the detailed analysis at the end of each dog fight, but I can't watch it too much cause it gets some who or the other boring cause it follows the same schematic representation all over again I like to have some kind of diversity, the same kind which I find watching a Showtime112 History content. Now, before some people misunderstand, I want to clarify! I am not saying GS is not good, he is if you are in just for Dog Fights, but I am more in for diversity which finally Showtime112 can provide with his Historical Content at the same time one can also learn to form those events in History. Just my thoughts.

[@showtime112]

@@LockOnNow I would say that GS' 1vs1 duels are something like ancient gladiator fights in an arena. They are designed primarily to be crowd pleasers. Also to represent actual fighting but with most factors simply dropped out. You have two fighters in a confined, isolated space and they fight until one is defeated (often dead). Real ancient combat was more about formations, tactics, terrain etc. In real, historic air combat there are also many more factors. Participants often chose not to fight but to dissengage (which gladiators couldn't do and GS and his sparring partners never do, regardless of their situation). But then again, this formula seems to be more popular, even if less diverse 😁😁

[@TLTeo]

I think with GS he is just limited by his format. He started with these neat 1v1 guns/heaters only videos which are fun and all, but when you focus exclusively on that you end up running out of DCS modules very fast. From there, you either go into more complex BVR or many v many situations, or you experiment with these low fidelity mods that pop up all the time, like he did. Personally it's not the choice I would have made, but it's his channel and it's working well for him, so that's great for the DCS community as a whole.

[@keithwaterhouse2845]

I agree, staring at a windscreen and instrument panel on jets shooting at each other out of sight is boring. Watching the play as an observer is far more interesting. Grim reapers is much the same but they do put out some interesting videos.

[@hariszark7396]

The still occupied Cyprus. The shame of EU, NATO and UN....

[@pratikakvaryum2608]

Turkey was a guaranteer at Cyprus and Greek Genosis riots massacred many Turks in cities, you can see a BBC Documentory if you search youtube, so Turkey had right to interfere and more to this Annan Plan was accepted to unite by Turks by declined by Cyprus Greeks. So well from on, there will be two Nations in Cyprus.

[@hariszark7396]

@@pratikakvaryum2608 yeah right. I know the BS lies your government is feeding you for 200 years. I didn't knew that "guaranteer" forces were slaughtering women and children and not army people that were living in peace at their father lands for thousands of years. Turkey is a murderous nation that the only thing you bring to the world is blood and massacre, war and destruction of women and children. Name one good thing that has come from Turkey from the day they forced the local nations under the "Turkish" flag. Just one.....

[@deniztemiz2301]

According to Mustafa Sarıtaş, who was one of the radio operators of Kocatepe during the incident they were unable to communicate with Turkish HQ and planes since they were under haeavy jamming came from British base. Also for the captain Zeki Kılıç who was the leading pilot of the strike party, they actually realized that these ships were Turkish but their headquarters insisted that they are not and order them to continue the attack.

[@chpaleo2901]

Malta yiok!!!!!

[@turcarumimperator1395]

bruh hahah

[@giannis9833]

Greek military Junda that ruled Greece at that time didnt order the Greek submarines to attack the Turkish ships. Basically the Greek dictatorship didnt send any reinforcements or F-4 fighters to defend the island. Even worse the Greek Junda removed greek forces from Cyprus! USA had imposed arms embargo to Cyprus because it has always been sympathetic to Soveit Union. For example Cyprus never received SA-2 soviet missiles that destroyed many American fighters in Vietnam war. The turkish invasion plan was a disaster. Most of the Turkish paratroopers didnt survive. It is true that a few transport aircrafts with commandos were sent without notice to Cyprus and got friendly fire just because the Greek Junda didnt want to look ugly.. The Turkish invasion force did not face any serious resistance and occupied the northern part of the island illegally.

[@sohrabroozbahani4700]

Showtime be like... Now that we have Cyprus added to the map... pop pop of his fingers while getting ready to remake another air warfare historical land mark happen on DCS...

[@showtime112]

Oh I absolutely had to do something with Cyprus :)

[@Charlesputnam-bn9zy]

Bulent Ecevit VS Ioannides

[@trucktrucker5043]

This ship name was KOCATEPE.Turks thought that Greeks were camouflaging Greek ships sith Turkish flag.They also thought that Greeks were speaking in turkish in their communication frequencies trying to create chaos.This is what PM Ecevit said to minister Kissinger....

[@showtime112]

Yes. The possibility that those were really Turkish ships somehow didn't make sense to them.......

[@veritasardens6547]

6:02 seamen: oh no, we are Turks don't shoot us pilot: (hands on trigger) too late, bwahahahaha!

[@showtime112]

You like dark humor, don't you? :)

[@veritasardens6547]

@@showtime112 :), well this situation just brought out the dark humour in me, I guess... XD. I cannot imagine how the real sailors would have felt like, seeing a cluster of rockets fired at them. :O

[@mrgreek7221]

Dark humor is normal about Turkey 🦃

[@georgetosounidis5545]

The Greek armaments ship responsible for this show of Turkish military expertise was called Lesvos :)

[@showtime112]

I didn't mention that?

[@LockOnNow]

Love the Intro music. 👏 And there we go again Ladies and Gentlemen it's Showtime, 🤩 so fasten your seatbelts get your coffee, adjust your seat lean back and enjoy the show. Great Historical content as always. 👍I first thought that the Turkish Air Force had emblems that were rectangle, but it seems they have already shifted using rondels in 1974. Even the Turkish flag placed on the right side of the rudder is reverse that's not a mistake they have it on their real fighter jet's placed that way even do it's actually wrong. Yes indeed, friendly fire is always a bad thing when it happens, it also happened in Vietnam. Guess it happens sadly-wise in every war. It’s estimated that there may be as many as 8,000 friendly fire incidents in the Vietnam War caused by mistakes, negligence, exhaustion, panic, horseplay, dim lighting, dense vegetation, inattentiveness, faulty equipment, poor training, foolishness, ill fortune or some combination of the above. There doesn’t appear to be any agreement of a firm percentage attributed to FF during the war, I’ve seen estimates ranging from 2.4% - 39% of all combined casualties. How were individuals categorized? The military refers to Friendly Fire as “misadventure” - correct me if I’m wrong, but I think this is the worst use of words, ever.

[@showtime112]

When I researched for this topic, I was happy to find that both F-104 and F-86 had Turkish skins available. But happiness went away when I realized they both had the old style, square roundels and that was replaced in 1972 😁 It seems that they were easily confused with the Soviet red star. This however required the use of my rather limited skinning skills. Regarding friendly fire incidents, I developed a strong interest in them. Not sure why, maybe because of those 'how is it possible' kind of comments which I find rather annoying. 😁 Thanks again for your elaborate comments!

[@LockOnNow]

@@showtime112 About you mention that problem with the Russian Star before. The TuAF used "square" insignia until 1972. It was a red square outlined in white. Then, it was replaced with "red-white-red roundel" which is currently in use. The change is due to the fact that at high aircraft speeds, it is possible to confuse the red square with the Soviet Air Force's red star marking. The national flag is painted on the fin, which is reduced in size since the 1970s. That also leaves a big question mark why the TuAF placed their national flag on the right side of the rudder fin mirrored, which is wrong, but you see even the official TuAF makes that mistake.

[@showtime112]

@@LockOnNow Maybe they should have changed their national flag as well. Apparently, when flown on warships it can easily be confused with the Greek flag 🤣 This might be in poor taste but I couldn't resist it.

[@PappaBear_yt]

@@LockOnNow OMG, even if I haven't read your original comment, I was amazed by its length and obvious effort invested into it (no homo). For that you get "like" from me. 👍🏻😉

[@LockOnNow]

@@PappaBear_yt Thanks 🙏a lot for the kind words of recognition and flowers...😉

[@jdsaldivar2109]

82ND AIRBORNE " Friendly Fire" ain't so friendly...

[@showtime112]

No such thing 😁

[@dr.karelis2198]

pls make a video with the greek f5s that shot down turklish f102 in 1974 .

[@showtime112]

That's interesting and it is scheduled. But we don't have the F-102 in DCS. Perhaps it could be approximated with something but I'll see about it.

[@dr.karelis2198]

@@showtime112 the story is as always disputed by the turks and a totally diferent variant is supported by them BUT people who understand air warfare cannot be fooled.The Greek pilots are alive and i had the honor to speak with one of them,major SKAMPARDONIS who confirmed in detail the incident.2 F5A of the hellenic airforce shot down one turkish f-102 and the second f012 crushed near izmir killing the second pilot.The turks engaged with a GREEK F5 cause they thought he was alone but a second greek F5 was following at a distance and he shot down the f102 using a sidewinder

[@EastGames-uy6mc]

First!

[@showtime112]

Except for my pinned comment :)

[@matk4731]

😯 WOW!

[@showtime112]

@@matk4731 Thank you for your comment!

[@lilibethdoherty295]

I Have Worked for Greeks and they are Good Hearted people with the worst temper that makes them seem dipole to their true nature.

[@showtime112]

I've read somewhere that the way Greeks are portrayed in 'My Big Fat Greek Wedding' is slightly exaggerated for comical purposes, but generally quite accurate 😂

[@spitefulwar]

Same goes for the turks, which explains why both constantly clash.

[@showtime112]

@@spitefulwar might be 😁

[@TheFlyingGreekman]

Instead of pretending to be polite, we don't mind saying "fuck off" whenever we feel that way. We are just more honest, aggressive and loud.

[@antimimoniakos]

@@showtime112 The behaviour of the Greeks in that movie refers to first generation immigrants in Australia. They were/are very concerned to keep the Greek identity. Greeks in Greece are same as the people in other countries especially balkan and Mediterranean. You may go to a tavern or cafeteria alone and have friends when you leave.

[@mikewebber7553]

Earlier this year I went looking for this wreck . Its not on the dive maps. The wreck in only a few hundred meters from Paphos harbour entrance at a depth of around 45 meters. The local dive school had never heard about it. However the wreck is a naval war grave so may not be dived with out special permissions.

[@showtime112]

Thanks for sharing this info. Perhaps they want to discourage people from diving there.

[@tyutyu9331]

One of these Starfighters was bartered to the Hungarian Air Force museum in exchange for a Mig-21. Loved to see it in person.

[@showtime112]

Thanks for sharing!

[@izdeliye-88]

Here in Bulgaria we also have a turkish starfighter exchanged for a mig17 a few years ago.

[@The_Kaiser7]

Greetings from turkey. Thx for video.

[@showtime112]

Thank you for your comment!

[@KilicArslanCetin]

Those ships were Turkish ships returning from England for maintenance. and Turkish pilots did not have any information about the ships. It was known that some Greek ships were moving from Greece, but their exact location was not known. As a result, we hit and sank our own ships due to insufficient intelligence and communication.

[@showtime112]

If they were returning from England, why would they be sailing near Cyprus?

[@atothez82]

Great video. I definitely enjoy the historical aspect you bring to these. I have a question. What variant of rocket pods were the F-104's carrying?

[@showtime112]

Thanks for commenting. To be honest, historically they carried bombs in this mision. But the F-104 mod is buggy in that aspect and releasing of bombs damages the airplane. So I switched to rockets for this presentation. I think they were ZUNIs.

[@maxigenous]

Turkey had intelligence that Greece was preparing a convoy to aid the Coup. It was one of the biggest fears as the amphibious operation capacity of Turkey was extremely limited and Cypriot defenders were causing headaches from their well-entrenched position on mountains overlooking landing beaches. If the Greeks could reinforce the island, the invasion would most likely fail so the force was constantly looking for such a convoy. Meanwhile, the Turkish Navy was also tasked with blocking such reinforcements coming from Greece so were ordered to sail west of the island. The Turkish Command structure of that time was divided within different branches, the Airforce and Navy were commanded from separate locations. Ships could identify attacking planes as Turkish both from their insignias and it was obvious that Greek planes wouldn't be able to make this far in the eastern Mediterranean and go back due to the range limitations of that era's planes. However, this information was not possible to share with the Air Force command in time to stop the attack as the Air Force was on the target that they had been desperately looking for. The result was horrible.

[@AlperBakmaz]

Türkiye is extremely interested in history. This video is titled "Why did Türkiye hit its own ships in the Cyprus War?" If you open it, it will be watched by 2 million. (Kıbrıs savaşında Türkiye neden kendi gemilerini vurdu.) use this title

[@volkssturmer5820]

Malvinas' war style attack.

[@showtime112]

Something like that. But Argentina knew where their own ships were :)

[@pablopeter3564]

Very good job in this presentation, don't worry too much about the F-100 that doesn't appear in your video, what counts is the historical event and the whole description. Thanks and keep the good work.

[@showtime112]

Thank you very much! Fact is that I'm also happy when I can be accurate, but there are so many stories to tell and despite DCS amazing complexity, almost none of them can be told with such precision. Some people don't understand that, it makes them upset and I try to explain.

[@mitzyismad]

Man those Starfighters look fantastic.

[@showtime112]

Yup, it's pure elegance!

[@nicos1097]

Wow my dad was a cyprian refugee of this conflict

[@andrewstackpool4911]

A couple more points. While capable of some upper deck damage I am not convinced Zuni rockets would do the degree of damage or impact as shown here. Also, and this may be due to the software programming there is no way warships or indeed any ship under attack is going to continue placidly on the same course and speed. Footage of Midway and Lingayen Gulf etc shows that. And with tongue firmly in cheek, Turkish aircraft attacking and sinking an Australian destroyer would not be a smart move especially then when we still had a carrier. Finally, a tragic blue-on-blue with a ship and 54 men lost. I have to ask, though, while Turkey invaded Cyprus (casus belli?) would an attack on approaching Greek warships been legitimate. There was no offcial declaration as I remember.

[@showtime112]

In reality, bombs were used for attacks. However, F-104 is a mod only and it doesn't work perfectly. Releasing bombs caused damage to the airplane so I selected rockets instead. Being 100% in these reenactments is literally impossible.

[@PappaBear_yt]

I finaly got to see this video and there they were: Shiny Sticks in the sky. 😁 Instant like. Then the music, the story and the naration... Well, I had to draw the line somewhere - this time you get only 1 like from me. 😉 Deal with it! On the (somewhat) serious note: if there are people who like war and think of it as a game, I suggest they watch videos like this one and think about meaning of life. Everyone stay safe!

[@showtime112]

OK, I guess one like will have to do 😁 Good point you made in that second part! Even I never thought of it that way.

[@alexandermakrianis]

Great portrayal and reenactment of this incident. I never knew that this had happened.

[@showtime112]

Thanks for the comment! I think the 1974 Cyprus conflict is generally pretty much forgotten so it's not a surprise that many don't know about this.

[@hariszark7396]

@@showtime112 the Greek politicians are trying to make it "forgotten" because they had made serious mistakes and/or were directed from the USA government to act in a wrong way, The Cyprus Case Files are still closed because of that. But Greek people and Cypriot people never forget! Also there were great ground skirmishes and battles between the few Greek fighting groups defending the island that had to fight against armored Turkish units, air attacks, paratroopers and waves of invading units.

[@LEO-os1jc]

@@hariszark7396 Sorry, but it was a military Junta then in Greece. And today we all know it was a plot...

[@hariszark7396]

@@LEO-os1jc military people and bad Greek politicians had played a very big role in all those incidents in Cyprus. The story goes back a long time before junta and after junta time. To be honest it goes on until today. So, yes, it's complicated to explain what was going on with that plot. A lot of people were involved and the Cyprus File is still closed.

[@LEO-os1jc]

@@hariszark7396 We shouldn't concentrate only to politicians.. The British role as well was unclear (divide and rule) Makarios was flirting with the eastern block causing fear to the west, (cold war then), nearby countries were expressing concerns, one thing is for certain, U.S. had given the green light to Turkey...

[@blazexiytb]

Hey Showtime! Could you maybe make a Video about my Mission "Operation Desetstorm" ? If not its also fine! Great Video.

[@showtime112]

Hello! I generally do reenactments of actual historic events so maybe that wouldn't be right for the target audience. But thanks for the suggestion and comment!

[@gaberobinson8210]

That third Avenue 104 pilot is dead as fuck going that speed for a person to hit the water would be like hitting a brick wall

[@croma81]

Man i like your videos but check 70's Turkish psychedelic rock music before adding Prince of Persianish music as intro theme 😃

[@showtime112]

Most music that exists simply can't be used for YT videos. You risk getting a copyright strike (three strikes and your channel is deleted). Or less painfully, the owner of the music monetizes your video 100%

[@genkill3617]

Turks sink their own ship Iranians: hold my beer.

[@vicguy01]

I served there as a peace keeper in 1989. It's nice to see videos like that. It brings back a lot of memories.

[@showtime112]

I hope they were positive memories 😁

[@mrgreek7221]

Peace keeper from England? Wtf haha

[@vicguy01]

@@mrgreek7221 I'm not from England.

[@vicguy01]

@@showtime112 mostly good memories.

[@Rajveer_Singh68]

@@showtime112 lol

[@dr.karelis2198]

nice video once more, the problem is that Hellenic air force at that time had better aircrafts ( newly arrived f4s ) but they did not use them.....

[@showtime112]

Thanks! Well, Greece was kinda keeping a low profile in that war, I guess.

[@dr.karelis2198]

@@showtime112 More like a ''cant help-too far for me'' profile

[@dougdugle1347]

The silver lining to friendly fire is seeing first hand how effective your own side is.

[@showtime112]

You could say so. One of the problems here in my opinion is that Turks believed so hard that Greeks were deceitful and despicable that it must have been them scheming and trying to trick Turks. Simple explanation that those were really Turkish ships didn't seem plausible to them.

[@gothereds605]

Northern Muslim majority

[@showtime112]

It is now. Before the war it was more complicated. Many Greeks in the north and many Turks in the south.

[@MG-ds3zx]

Very nice 👍👍

[@showtime112]

Thank you 👍

[@gino7444]

The Greek must have laughed their asses off!! 🤣

[@EattherichBuddy]

My ex brother in law was mentioned in dispatches for running a communications wire while under fire, when he was serving with the Royal Canadian Signals Corp in Cypress. Cheers

[@showtime112]

Thank you for your comment!

[@aigleroyal3941]

@EattherichBuddy It is CYPRUS you moron not CYPRESS!!! Cypress is a tree!!!

[@Dog.soldier1950]

@@aigleroyal3941 spell check will do that. Plus chill life is short

[@aigleroyal3941]

@@Dog.soldier1950 Precisely because life is short, no one has the right to abuse the language! That's why we have dictionaries!

[@alexsmart5452]

So what happened to the pilots? They get into any trouble? did they get a kill symbol of a Turkish ship on thier plane?

[@showtime112]

I have to say I don't know. With Turks being Turks, there was probably some punishment for whoever was found responsible for this.

[@chups1447]

👍

[@showtime112]

😗

[@tskcthulhu]

sad story

[@estellemelodimitchell8259]

Am surprised that Turkish warships didn’t fire AA guns in anger and retaliation.

[@showtime112]

Perhaps they did. Those destroyers here are mods, I'm not sure if all the weapons on them work. One of the Turkish viewers wrote here that the Kocatepe's captain established radio communication with the attacking airplanes and tried to explain the ships were Turkish. They still thought this was a Greek ruse. Even after he swore at them in native Turkish!

[@Yosemite-George-61]

...so there, one for the F-104 detractors... it can sink warships!

[@showtime112]

It definitely sank one :)

[@benlaskowski357]

What a shock. 😳

[@kannah4394]

Wow, so interesting…..

[@showtime112]

Glad you think so!

[@jr7392]

Friendly fire isn't friendly!

[@showtime112]

Yup, no such thing as a friendly fire, really 😁

[@jr7392]

@@showtime112 I read a book called the Threadbare Buzzard (a memoir of a WWII marine Corsair pilot) in which he said the words of wisdom, "The enemy is anyone trying to kill you."

[@showtime112]

@@jr7392 This introduces a new category of a 'temporary enemy' 😁

[@billyponsonby]

Astonishing incompetence

[@ontjamba]

It takes a man on a horse, not a c... on a camel!

[@Aguijon1982]

Are you telling me that all this time they were attacking their own ships? Lol

[@showtime112]

They thought it was Greeks trying to fool them with false flsgs and even speak Turkish on the radio.

[@LondonPower]

If only Greece had proper army in the island and not militias

[@showtime112]

Well, the whole situation was very delicate so I guess it needed to be handled carefully.

[@trentbyington5957]

Common Turkish L

[@anandpandey5509]

For turkey their war ship seemed like sitting 🦃😂

[@showtime112]

Yeah, they must have been happy to discover them and hit them with bombs. For a while, at least.

[@diaf9931]

But they won at cyprus lol

[@showtime112]

@@diaf9931 Well, kinda. Except that nobody recognizes 'Northern Cyprus' and it's stuck where it was 50 years ago while the Greek part seems to be doing a bit better.

[@diaf9931]

@@showtime112 yeah beacuse north doesnt accept turks you know that ?

[@onurguardian9004]

One of those Star Fighter's pilot was my school friend's uncle. We heard deep sad stories about this incident. Deepest one was '' when fighters arrived the bombing area, there was a fog but still they can see Turkish Flags. Pilots warned the Ankara about those Ships are ours but Ankara resist and command strike. Pilot were under command and they have to do this, then they mostly aim to sea not the ships but 1 of them accidently direct hit.''

[@showtime112]

Thanks for sharing this, it adds details.

[@maxigenous]

Another bullshyt if pilots were absolutely sure these were Turkish ships they would not spend their ammo and bomb seas just because the order was given.

[@sergiopiparo4084]

Did anyone got a medal 😂

[@turcarumimperator1395]

israeli fisherman who rescued 42 turkish sailors, got a medal in 1996 😂😂

[@otrondal]

Where is the howling sound of the Starfighters?

[@showtime112]

F-104 in DCS is just a mod. Everything except the 3D model (i.e. the look) is borrowed from other modules.

[@andrewstackpool4911]

Another correction. The two destroyers shown here are the Royal Australian Navy's DARING-class destroyers HMAS VENDETTA and VAMPIRE, complete with six 4.5-inch guns, Bofors 40mm A/A, 21-inch torpedoes and ASW Mortar Mk10. I don't recall they were there at the time. In fact I'm fairly sure VENDETTA was with us in the Far East.

[@showtime112]

That's true, this is Daring class. There's just a couple of mods of WWII (or close to that) destroyers. I tried Fletcher class first but it had no damage model so I eventually opted for Daring.

[@manvhestercity1894]

@@showtime112 the videoes do not have to be perfect in every details ,so long as you make this clear thank you for your effort to detail and it is great to see some one making programs about little known events aswell as magor conflicts .once again thank you ps have you looked at the falklands conflict ?

[@showtime112]

@@manvhestercity1894 Some people disagree 😁 Thank you for your support!

[@StippleAlpha]

Yo, why we let these dudes into NATO with us?

[@showtime112]

It probably made sense in the Cold War.

[@MG-ds3zx]

I thank you

[@showtime112]

Thank you too, views and comments really help!

[@robertboykin1828]

snafu ?

[@showtime112]

I guess so :)

[@AdamAdamHDL]

Good tactics by the Greeks there.

[@showtime112]

They apparently took advantage of Turkish beliefs that Greeks are treacherous and would probably do a dirty trick such as putting false flags on their ships.

[@GeorgeRaptis-t3m]

Aferim Turklar

[@anthonysmith3851]

Great CG but awful editing, potential for being very good.

[@showtime112]

This is literally the first time that someone called my editing awful. Critics usually focus on music selection or the political aspect 😁

[@anthonysmith3851]

@@showtime112 I happen to be a multi award winning professional filmmaker who made over 3,000 films (35MM), including some theatrical feature films. Please take this criticism constructively. Your CG is awesome and with a little more experience particularly with attention to the tempo of your cuts or otherwise temporal content, you would get nothing but raves. I hope that I did not hurt your feelings.

[@showtime112]

@@anthonysmith3851 Oh no. I thought, this guy is either a jerk or a pro. Let's first find out which of the two he is 😁😁😁 As you guessed, I have no formal training in video editing. I'm basically learning as I go and the whole channel business takes up a lot of time. I hope to be able to squeeze in some quality course covering that topic some time in the future..

[@BuggSmasher]

Woops !

[@jeanguillaumat8810]

The turkish roundel at this time was a white square with red edge.

[@showtime112]

From what I could find, the insignia was changed in 1972. And this is 1974.

[@samdigiorgio4412]

After the Turkish airforce attacked and sank a Turkish destroyer, a cease fire was agreed to . . .

[@fordforever6814]

The Turkish army is the best army when fight with no oponent. Ha ha ha.

[@IoannisAr]

There were no messages stolen from Greeks about vessels aproaching.The turkishcypriots of Paphos bombarded from the old Greek navy LSD Lesvos and turkish cypriots radio a message that they under attack by the Greek fleet. You have to correct the roundels of the aircrafts because they were not used that time from turkish air force

[@showtime112]

Are you sure about the roundels? All the sources I could fond say that they were introduced in 1972.

[@The_Kaiser7]

@@showtime112 classic greek :/

[@Woody-nc1ru]

8:28 There you go, come out with the sun behind you!!

[@Dog.soldier1950]

Flying into the AA envelope of three destroyers not healthy these days

[@showtime112]

True. I'm not sure how upgraded the anti-aircraft defense was since WWII when they were produced.

[@adriandecu6846]

How horrible...

[@showtime112]

Greeks probably wouldn't agree :)

[@adriandecu6846]

@@showtime112 Yeap... But is ...🔨💥

[@commandingjudgedredd1841]

They dropped a major clanger there.

[@showtime112]

That's true. But friendly fire incidents happen a lot. All it takes is for several things to line up nicely.

[@محمدسليم-ك7ق]

Anyway, nice to meet you

[@showtime112]

Good luck with your campaign :)

[@محمدسليم-ك7ق]

@@showtime112 Good luck, God willing

[@محمدسليم-ك7ق]

@@showtime112 I will keep interacting with you my friend, your content is interesting

[@showtime112]

@@محمدسليم-ك7ق I'd be happy if you did.

[@محمدسليم-ك7ق]

@@showtime112 Definitely rest assured I wish you good luck and success, God willing

[@TURKOPOL46]

No arabic music no. TURK not arab attention please

[@hmmmmn6770]

Alah hu akbar brother

[@turcarumimperator1395]

@@hmmmmn6770 hahahaahhah

[@bernardantoinerouffaer7578]

Très intéressant.

[@showtime112]

Thank you for your comment!

[@kemalsurmeli7722]

nice video could you do some modern stuff like turkey shooting down the russian su24 and mi 17 or the shooting of the 2 syrian su24s the l 39

[@showtime112]

Thanks for the comment! I plan to cover some F-16 related stories in near future so I will probably cover some of the episodes you mention. They are quite interesting because we have the actual map where they took place.

[@thegamingbrit4677]

Me sat waiting for an official starfighter or pavania tornado...

[@showtime112]

You might wait for a while 😁

[@thegamingbrit4677]

@@showtime112 sadly yes but we do have a typhoon on the horizon so maybe...?

[@showtime112]

@@thegamingbrit4677 Judging from the interest for videos featuring the Starfighter, the module should sell well. Tornado probably too.

[@thegamingbrit4677]

@@showtime112 Agreed!

[@myleswillis]

Cool video. Is it normal for planes to land together like that? That seems pretty risky.

[@showtime112]

Not 100% sure. It certainly is more dangerous but I guess it might be good training.

[@WanderfalkeAT]

@@showtime112 If the Runway was wide enough and there where no strong winds - They did Takeoff and Land in 2Ship Formation. Today this practice is still alive for Takeoff but not very often seen for Landing. Planes using Drag Chutes normally land single in any case. So Starfighters normally land single, except they have a very long Runway and do not need to use the Chute.

[@showtime112]

@@WanderfalkeAT Thanks for contributing with that info!

[@patrickcloutier6801]

Yet another F-104 Starfighter mission... is the French Super Mystere available for your channel? It might make a good stand-in for the F-100 Super Sabre (with advance warning, of course).

[@showtime112]

Well, all the previous F-1'04 videos were huge success. But this is probably the last one, don't worry :) Not much more that I can do with it, it's combat record was quite limited. Super Mysteres are not available. Or ordinary, ones for that matter. The closest aircraft in performance would be MiG-19 but I thought F-86 made a lot more sense because it is the predecessor of the F-100 and it was actually operated by Turkey. The difference in performance is not too relevant here.

[@patrickcloutier6801]

@@showtime112 It turns out that Osprey has a title about F-104 Starfighter units in combat, as well as Arab Mig-19 and Mig-21 units in combat; a third title is Arab-Israeli Air Wars 1947-1982. I have the latter two titles, but have to get the F-104 work. You may have covered just about all those air combat missions, but maybe the titles would still have something that adds to your show. Best,

[@showtime112]

@@patrickcloutier6801 That was actually my primary source for the F-104 videos. I haven't found any other book about F-104 which describes much of its combat experience. They mostly focus on development, variants, service in various nations and such. I recommend you buy the Osprey's title, I don't think you will be dissapointed.

[@seeky907]

Oops.

[@showtime112]

To put it mildly 🙂

[@Retr0GamerGR]

The big turkey 🦃🦃🦃hunt

[@whitecolor2553]

Not invade, turkish armed forses brought peace both turkish and greek people.