Why Hasn't NYC Hoops Produced An NBA Superstar Since Kareem?! | ALL THE SMOKE

Cam'ron, Matt & Stak have an honest discussion on why New York City hoops hasn't produced a true superstar since Kareem Abdul-Jabbar & what needs to be fixed.
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[@stringer2295]

As a ex nyc ball player, we don’t stress the fundamentals enough

[@IssacEinstein]

Not at all

[@wiltson6302]

Hell nah all ya could do is dribble thats it

[@darrylhenry3188]

Your correct that's why when I was getting recognized in highschool I had a hard time adjusting when I went to UNCG. But I my coached helped me a lot and Cam is right we doing good in highschool and then we distracted the rest of the time. I see that with a lot of Chicago l. A. And Detroit athletes too much side stuff going on

[@kevinhousen2791]

Exactly. Not to many places for real organized coaching.

[@darrylhenry3188]

@@kevinhousen2791 Kevin your right when we played aau against teams from Indiana d. C. N. C. Michigan we may have had more flashy and athletic skillz but we would lose against teams in Orlando for the big aau tournament and we would always get blown out by Midwest teams that had all white boys. They would give us fits because they would box out know how to break the press get into their offense and would get open shots and would back door us to death. And our Coach didn't have a answer for the other coaches alot of times

[@gpetermonroy]

Ron Artest (Queens) deserves his flowers in this conversation. Artest was an elite NBA player in his prime; had an excellent career punctuated by a game winning 3-pointer in game 7 of the 2010 NBA finals. Knicks should have drafted Metta in 1999, btw!!

[@PTO_Finesse]

MAN! Before he went to LA he was killing mfs, that year he went after the rockets and they lost to Kobe I thought they both would average about 20+ and be a crazy duo. He just stayed a monster on defense and became more of a shooter. It’s a shame fr bro, he was cold af

[@kennethmurray1041]

Never reached Superstar popularity

[@MRGooodwineTV]

Ron artest was not no damn superstar

[@MarvelousJP]

Artest or Metta Word Peace was never a superstar though

[@wraithyoshidj6702]

​@@MarvelousJPhe Def was in Houston, they just didn't like his history (malice at the palace) and his personality

[@bossman9873]

Ron Artest is a former DPOY. Chris Mullin is a HoF. Kemba Walker is Charlotte’s all time leading scorer. Lamar Odom is a former 6th man of the year, champion and survived the Kardasians.

[@loveislove8741]

None were superstars at the pro level.

[@mitchdollarz3616]

He barely survived them witches

[@nickfowler547]

Still not superstars. None of these guys were ever a top 5 player at any point in their career

[@chadwhitfield6946]

​@@loveislove8741Mullin had a 4 year stretch with 1st team All NBA, twice 2nd team, and a 3rd team spot. That's a fucking superstar.

[@alwaysreliable3]

With the exception of Chris Mullin, those guys were not superstar. Stars yes, but not superstars

[@richyuh]

Kemba Walker is the closest since Marbury

[@Blingblaow477]

Melo? JR

[@GeeDee-yj7yd]

Ain’t Donavan Mitchell from New York

[@jman1562001]

@@GeeDee-yj7yd He from Westchester County, Elmsford I believe but he played AAU in the city!!!

[@csmoothnj]

Melo reps NY so hard. Y’all really saying he can’t count because he left for glow up, but even 2Pac still came back to NY a ton. No other place is so strict about who can and can’t claim NY even though it’s the hardest possible place for a set of parents to maintain a roof over teenage kids (because they’re essentially the same access as you as soon as they’re riding trains alone)

[@duronbryant5921]

Lance Stephenson, Ron Artest, Lamar Odom boy you is buggin 💯

[@billbixby557]

Man these guys stay cracking me up!! Cam stays bring us some strong speaking points, I got to give him a whole lot of credit for that...'first of all we don't know how old he is'!

[@yoe91]

Bigger questions: why can't the NY Knicks organization be relevant, at all ? They made a surprise final in 1999, and a final before that in 94. NOTHING since then. Incredible.

[@Roadrunner0077]

besides the giants and yankess new york sports suck

[@yoe91]

​@@Roadrunner0077but why ? It's a city with massive, massive potential and money, and a real deep basketball tradition

[@QGfk1]

​@@yoe91you could argue it's the economics of being in such a big market. the Knicks are a valuable franchise no matter how bad they are and just having a mediocre team is enough to pack msg. there isn't a strong financial incentive for the owners to actually spend on making teams good. the new York team spending the most is actually the Mets bc their owner is a decabillionaire and lifelong fan, so he cares about them winning not making money

[@yoe91]

@@QGfk1 interesting. Makes sense. It's incredible Knick fans STILL go to the stadium despite the Knicks being so bad for so long.

[@Rugbyrug]

Very simple. Don’t listen to these people. It’s ownership. The last 30 years Knicks ownership has made a lot of bad decisions from paying Larry Johnson and Allan Houston all that money to not produce to them letting Steph go to Amare signing and not adding adequate pieces to them and Melo to letting Melo and KP go to even botching KD/Kyrie cause we all know if they went to the Knicks, they’d still be in NY. What they’re doing today I’m happy to see them successful even as a Lakers fan but they need a superstar and that’s the hardest part. Ownership be in the way and some of the management has too.

[@mbwell]

Interesting, but Bernard King was phenomenal, despite serous injuries throughout his career.

[@alwaysreliable3]

Bernard King, SUPERSTAR

[@mongoslade277]

Bernard King was unstoppable. A walking bucket But his prime wasn't long enough

[@alwaysreliable3]

@@mongoslade277 how long do you have to play in order to qualify the average NBA career is 3 years, you do know to qualify for the Hall of Fame you only need to have played four years correct correct ? So I'm not quite sure what criteria you people are using? The Hall of Fame North Superstar status or function of longevity. Let me throw out a few names for you that are clearly an example of this. Ralph Sampson. Grant Hill. Yao Ming . Shawn Kemp . Bill Walton. You sound like you're young so somebody's plays you never saw and might not know other than videos. These gentlemen won titles, went to finals, and sold out arenas, also TV ratings went up when they played. You people have to factor that in it's not enough to just be a top player

[@alwaysreliable3]

@@mongoslade277 but you write Bernard was a joy to watch in the paint

[@alwaysreliable3]

@@mongoslade277 thanks for your thoughts

[@colecarter973]

I would say Bernard King was a superstar in the NBA before his injury. He was a first team All NBA player three times and led the league in scoring one year. But for the most part Cam is right not a lot of superstars from NYC in the league but it's only 5 or 10 in the league period who would you consider that. Also Cam was never a top 25 player in high school that's not true maybe All Manhattan but not top 25 nationally.

[@andytoledo4783]

Great interview by Cam. Very knowledgeable in nyc basketball history. But how can you forget to mention NBA Hall of Fame point guard Tiny Archibald from the South Bronx and a public school star from DeWitt Clinton High School in the Bronx. Pure point guard and NYC legend!!!

[@thomasespositio3139]

tiny was amazing had the game too be great today also

[@philb.1502]

Tiny Archibald is the ONLY player in NBA history to lead the league in scoring and assists in the SAME season. He did that in 1973. Salute to Bronx superstar and NYC legend Tiny Archibald!

[@Jeremy-jq5wb]

I'm from Queens, and for better or for worse NYC ball culture isn't an organized culture of AAU, rec leagues, drills, conditioning, fundamentals, coaching etc. Ball culture and for that matter athletic culture here is essentially streetball, it's organic (I'm thinking W4, Rucker, The Hole). Not saying there's anything wrong with it, but it produces hoopers not basketball players. Lot of people here can ball, just a lot of NYC kids don't have the structures where they have to practice defensive stances and do suicides.

[@sebastienc.2257]

Also social media, video games and parents who preoccupied but I agree with everything you said. I grew up in Coney Island so I definitely know what you mean.

[@isaacperess8852]

Nah man these are all lame excuses. Hoopers can most definitely be pros look at KD or Kyrie (kyrie from Jersey btw). You need more basketball leaders and coaches to take charge and encourage kids to stay local for high school and AAU. Coaches who promise to develop players and teach them the right ways and right paths. Coaches and programs who developed local players instead of kids feeling like they have to go to montverde or IMG to have a chance. Kind of like how Coach Hurley helped establish the basketball identity of Jersey at St Anthony’s or Morgan Wooten in Dc at Dematha. Even though those coaches are gone their legacies still define those areas basketball culture. I also think the Knicks being better and Rick Pitino at St. John’s will help.

[@Manologalvan1234]

As a Dominican from NYC I think Cam was right about Felipe, his mistake was staying in St Johns the pressure was too much

[@Thatdude-tp7xs]

Should have went from highschool pro he was still 24th pick but nah would have went higher

[@williamwalker4129]

Ain’t no Dominicans plying basketball. Y’all too short. Child please

[@Supreme36074]

Should of went to a school outside of NY the pressure hurt him & I think he had issues being easy from his people which is why he chose ST John’s

[@Thatdude-tp7xs]

He did good at st johns he just wasnt what they thought he was gone be solid college career got hurt in the league

[@alwaysreliable3]

AGreed

[@juandufree4309]

Been saying this! NY WAS the Mecca of basketball but not anymore. Stop living off of guys from 50 years ago. They might produce a guy here or there but go look at the top guys in the league the last 10 years and more come from the west coast and the south than from NY

[@MarvelousJP]

True I’m not even 30 yet but I remember a time when NY, DC, Chicago, Philly, Detroit etc we’re known for having some of the best hoopers

[@lilmark7210]

chicago the mecca

[@avidreader6534]

@@lilmark7210 not anymore and im from chicago. Most of the leagues stars are from the west coast and overseas. Fundamentals are stressed enough and Chicago has too many shitty coaches that don't know how to coach without bias, favoritism, and coaches only teach effort and shit when shooting fundamentals, passing, spacing, cutting, and etc are important but not taught.

[@businesscomes1st]

@@avidreader6534 West Coast or overseas, you say....there just may be some truth to that

[@johnnyblingg]

@@lilmark7210nah bro I’m from the South, but even I know California be producing the superstars. Going back from Reggie Miller on up, Cali been killing the talent pool for years now. Chicago is probably 2nd or 3rd if we bring up Seattle

[@alwaysreliable3]

Postscript - I went back and forth on this one, but CHRIS MULLIN. After an incredible career in high school, college, Mullin went to the NBA and dominated. especially his first six years averaging 25 points a game with RunTMC, qualify him as a NBA Superstar as well. Hall Of Fame

[@The_Dynamic_One]

Mullin was always considered a "star". Not all HOF's were considered "Superstars".

[@newagain9964]

He was also in dream team and won gold medal. But still tho, he’s not a superstar.

[@Thatdude-tp7xs]

All star not superstar

[@alwaysreliable3]

@@The_Dynamic_One Dynamic one, I agree, which is why I went back and forth. But I think at that time, he was. You do know he was a member of "the Dream Team," right? It is close, but I think he qualifies. You have to put it in the context of the time, not the social media era, where you can make some a "fake" superstar just based on clips. Not only was he on the Dream Team, he won a SECOND Olympic gold medal EIGHT years after the original dream team win. So again, I think he qualifies by a hair..

[@alwaysreliable3]

@@Thatdude-tp7xs Let me help you. Member of the Hall Of Fame. Played for two rings. Played on TWO Olympic teams, including a starter for the greatest team ever assembled "The Dream Team (get he was lucky huh)." With the exception of the college kids, EVERY MEMBER of the Dream Team was a "superstar" not All-Star. How many plyers in THAT era average 25 points a game for six seasons straight? This on a team with TWO OTHER Hall of Fame players? This is a difficult one, but I think he makes the cut. Thanks for your thoughts though

[@markjoshua8940]

NYC is cocky as hell look at their fans . It’s an environment where it’s all flashy and OD bs with 0 fundamentals look at jelly fam . It’s not a lack of talent it’s just straight attitude. No way Texas , Washington , CA should have better hoopers . All these comments what about dr j ? What about Kareem ? What about Bernard king ? Bruh what about someone this century

[@bluewave3417]

Texas and California already produce better football players. Why shouldn’t they also produce better basketball players?

[@markjoshua8940]

The valley alone produces better players. Even if you take out Texas and CA, there's no excse for Jersey to produce better players which it does. @@bluewave3417

[@godofthisshit]

You’re comparing the two largest states to a city. Yes NYC is huge, but a city is still a city.

[@mostmost1]

​@@godofthisshit right! What nba allstars or legends from Houston and Dallas in the last 30 years?

[@senorc4416]

There will never be a HS/AAU era like there was in NYC throughout the 90s. From the Rucker to Christ The King, NYC was a magical place for basketball back then.

[@user-kq5hy8lz2w]

you have to include 80s as well

[@BalthasarRodellega]

California has produced the most pro players throughout nba history. You ny dudes are hilarious. Y’all hate statistics

[@MrWARBUCKS24]

@@BalthasarRodellega y’all comparing a whole state to the city

[@senorc4416]

@@BalthasarRodellega that just means players in California are easily molded into what the league wants them to be. Is this what you are boasting about?

[@BalthasarRodellega]

@@MrWARBUCKS24 no I’m comparing city to a city. LA alone has produced more than nyc in a city 3 times smaller. Read a book

[@thesocialclassbook5900]

Why wasn’t Queen’s legend Kenny Anderson not mentioned? He and I, along with Shaq, Jimmy Jackson, and Alan Houston, were part of the class of 1989. Anderson was the most decorated NYC player after Kareem (aka Lew Alcindor) and before Stephon Marbury and Felipe Lopez. - Lawrence Funderburke, former Ohio State and NBA Player

[@professionaltrollkilla5965]

He’s talking about super star status

[@RoanAnthony]

I remember you. You played at Indiana and transferred to Ohio State. If you'd stayed with Cheney and Graham that team would've been undefeated.

[@chrisschaeffer9661]

Superstars. Not All Star. NYC is so overhyped

[@handsomehusa480]

Funderburke 😂😂😂😂

[@Supreme36074]

He just he feels that’s the best borough overall but I don’t think Cam could forget Chibbs . Helluva a player.

[@philipmarchalquizar7741]

New York Ballers do not focus on fundamentals. They more focus on looks.

[@digitalScribr]

Everything Cam said are facts. The hype was a lot of smoke and mirrors. From St Johns to the NBA the dude got exposed... Harlem cats are too cool for school or the NBA, no cap...

[@ObiAmajoyiSrMD]

Three men plus you hating on a guy who is now like 50 and minding his business is wild

[@digitalScribr]

@@ObiAmajoyiSrMD 🤣🤣🤣 Hating? Seriously... The facts about a persons skills now equals hate? Talk about sensitive... Real talk Felipe does not even care at this point.

[@joecollier186]

Dream teamer Chris Mullin anyone?

[@Lakeshow82]

He's not a superstar but shout out to Lamar Odom. 6ft10 playing like a guard.

[@SunRalives]

Lamar was a superstar...top tier

[@BloggingFromParadise]

I followed Northern New Jersey and New York City high School hoops for about 30 years. Following St Patrick HS closely and its steady steam of excellent NYC guards who transferred to Pat's - Shaheen Holloway, Fridge Holman, Corey Fisher, etc ... - structure, coaching and fundamentals often made the difference between the guards who transferred and the ones who stayed and played high school ball in NYC. Stephon was so good in the pros because his footwork and overall fundamentals were absolutely astounding and he drilled like crazy with his brothers to get there. Shaheen never developed a jump shot but if he had one he would have been an NBA veteran even at that height. Rick Pitino wanted him to go to Kentucky and told him he would have broken the NCAA steals record within his pressing system. He would have. He might be the quickest player who ever played as far as crossover and lightning, cat-like speed, at least at the high school level. He had really fast NYC guards falling into the bleachers. Literally. But when he transferred over to Pat's from Queens, he had a lot of bad habits to break to become an All-American and great college player.

[@ajiffy9219]

@BoggingFromParadise you are 10000% percent correct. I played against him at St Benedict’s Prep. Shaheen Holloway was that nice. He was the first guard from NYC that coach K wanted to accept as a transfer There is a good game of him vs Steph too

[@Creamcity414]

NY needs to stop claiming Jordan he moved at 2 lmaooo to NC

[@godofthisshit]

NY don’t claim Jordan

[@Creamcity414]

@@godofthisshit they do I seen NY people on Gil podcast saying it

[@gesnersteward76]

So true about Felipe. When I went to the city everyone said this.

[@kingkemet2527]

Great topic

[@Bucktown-KnicksFan1121]

Don’t forget Chris Mullen, straight buckets.

[@johnnyboyspero5470]

These guys are tool bags not mentioning C Mullin

[@newagain9964]

Not a superstar tho. Stockton was a superstar. U see?

[@hajiallie4484]

Chris Mullen a hof

[@johnnyboyspero5470]

@@newagain9964 really? Gold medal,1st 2nd 3rd All NBA, 5x AStar,College POY, high school and BK playground legend.

[@loveislove8741]

He was very good but not a superstar

[@Jay953]

Tiny Archibald Bronx legend

[@TerrenceLP]

Cam dropping straight facts 😂 early 90's summer league was the shit 🎉

[@stringer2295]

Late 90’s early 2000s Rucker was insane

[@khalifrhoden3320]

Kareem is a high bar tho. That’s legendary status and that could come from anywhere

[@yesimemoin0935]

Thank you. If Kareem is the standard, a lot of major cities have never had a superstar.

[@Amick44]

​@@yesimemoin0935Tiny Archibald and Julius Erving don't count? Maybe cause Doc is from Long Island?

[@KelzKelz]

Facts

[@cc-92]

You don’t have to be at Kareem’s level to be an all star

[@dooval434]

Earl the pearl Monroe!!?!!

[@brinklydiamonds08]

“Superstar “ I get his point

[@lordgodspeed1539]

You all mean why NYC has not produced a Superstar since Dr J and Kareem . Because Dr J is one of the Top 10 of all times

[@dre.visionary]

Well the doc is from Long Island

[@BillHaug]

great clip thanks! ... and Kemba too deserves mention

[@IssacEinstein]

He wasn’t a superstar

[@Primenumber19]

Limited real estate means all the ceilings in gyms are very low. Also with no football teams worth anything there is no modern training equipment. All the hoopers went to Jersey.

[@panama8009]

Tiny Archibald the Boogie Downs Bronx own. Only player in NBA History to win scoring title 34ppg and 11.9 assist title in same season with Kansas City/Omaha Kings in early 70s. He was Iverson before Iverson.

[@jay-lamont]

Tiny Nate Archibald was one baad man with the rock. If he could dribble like they're aloud to today ah man, he would've avg. astronomical numbers. The goat of small guards.

[@panama8009]

@@jay-lamont and a Southpaw too..

[@brooklynlace5503]

No more Park Basketball the toughness of NY basketball gone

[@JohnDoe113]

Factz, and in general, the NYC toughness and grit which gave the city a big reputation has faded in the last 15 or so years. From the streets to ball, NYC ain't the same.

[@2gunzup07]

Never was just all eyes was on nyc it's different now

[@DaynIne1]

I respect NY basketball. I think a lot of people forget about my state NC. We produced ALOT of hoopers. Out of Kinston, NC alone we produced Dominique Wilkins, Jerry Stackhouse , Brandon Ingram.....John Wall, Dennis Smith Jr...and of course the legend MJ

[@davevaval9876]

Well MJ was born NY.

[@stuartperry8141]

@@davevaval9876 but he was raised in NC

[@Creamcity414]

@@davevaval9876born dummy ? He didn’t learn basketball in NY stop claiming him

[@Creamcity414]

@@stuartperry8141facts NY sucks for claiming mj

[@brittnineil6904]

Both of the Carolinas are basketball factories 🏭 They produce top 10 college talent every year! It’s a female out of South Carolina “ballin” right now! Much love to NC & SC

[@SujoCujo]

Felipe didn’t elevate bcz he chose to stayed local.. Even Bobby Knight broke his own ban on recruiting NYC players and wanted Felipe. Had Felipe left the fandom and adoration behind to learn and develop his basketball skills, he could have made more of an impact. Either way respect to the Dominican Dream Felipe Lopez.

[@alwaysreliable3]

Well said. Absolutely right

[@chasemanhattan3957]

Lopez failed because he got too much money before he actually played in the NBA he had so much hype he couldn't live up to it ..he was beast tho..but he went thru what Zion going thru now. Get a certain amount of money you eating different kind of meals you ain't got the same appetite for basketball

[@futureflavors205]

And yeah Harlem is one of those places where you will see girls pushing baby strollers at 1am. Not even going anywhere special, just hanging out chatting amongst friends...with a toddler... In the middle of the night 🤷🏿‍♂️😂

[@tbella66]

Wasn't there an enormously popular New York bred basketball superstar, early product endorser, by the name of Julius Winfield Erving?

[@prod.snqwfall1347]

That’s pretty much the exact same time as Kareem just in the other league

[@AllTheSmokeProductions]

Long Island is not NYC

[@tbella66]

@@AllTheSmokeProductions Fair enough. But The Rucker is, and it's well documented what Doc did there.

[@IssacEinstein]

If you are from New York, you know we do not count Long Island as part of the city! Brooklyn, Queens, Manhattan, Staten Island, and the Bronx is New York City.

[@Devmac89]

They gotta take what u can get lol

[@MTXSHO9732vV8SHO]

10:05 The closest I've ever been to NYC is the Meadowlands and I could tell you that. Peoria, Illinois has spoken.

[@moses0686]

It's not about a lack of anything, talent is everywhere

[@TSA1D1]

Remember when they Tried To Build Sébastien Telfair up ⏸️ to be the new 🤴🏿 🏀of NY

[@Turk_2023]

He messed up he shoulda went to Louisville for a few years

[@Chosen1Crown]

Yea that shit was too funny I remember that garbage

[@R_J_G]

The game has gone to predominantly jump shooting. NY players always have the reputation of not being great shooters.

[@isaacperess8852]

That’s a pretty lame excuse tbh. I think the problem is kids don’t stay home to play aau or high school anymore. DMV area basketball is all about the catholic league and aau circuit, kids are enticed to stay home because of the coaching and player development. The financial difficulties of many catholic school in nyc plus the invention of schools like IMG and Montverde have been horrible for NYC basketball cohesion and player development.

[@Paul_425]

NYC is the mecca of basketball. That's where I learned how to play, queens NY 😅 the energy is so different compared to other cities.

[@rblack4211]

Great to hear them shout out Booger. True Brooklyn LEGEND. We need more footage of him during his high school days. He really embarrassed people.

[@kharyvines6971]

OVERRATED

[@kenlouis5144]

​@@kharyvines6971over rated?.yea ok

[@kharyvines6971]

@@kenlouis5144 MOST OF THE STREET BALLERS SAY SO

[@rblack4211]

@@kharyvines6971 Which street ballers said so? Skip never said that. Anybody that actually seen him play or played against him would never utter those words…..if they did…it’s probably because he bussed they ass and was disrespectful about it. Booger was no joke….Watch “Soul in the Hole” and see for yourself. Those were a few highlights….I was there….saw him in person. He gave EVERYBODY the business.

[@alwaysreliable3]

Let me kill this ridiculous argument - Tiny Archibald - Hall Of Fame. Only man to lead the league in scoring and assists in the same season. Owner of a championship ring. Bernard King - Led the league in scoring - Hall Of Fame. Julius Erving - The DOCTOR. I do not need say anything here. Hall Of Fame. End of discussion

[@Amick44]

Yeah, I don't know why/how they overlooked them.

[@karimglasgow5518]

Tiny isn't "since Kareem". They're from the exact same era, not to mention Kareem won 3 more rings after Tiny was done. Dr. J's practically the same era too.

[@alwaysreliable3]

@@karimglasgow5518 The question was NOT same era. They question was SINCE Kareem.Tiny was drafted a YEAR AFTER Kareem. Dr. J was drafted TWO YEARS AFTER Kareem. Which again is AFTER Kareem. Reading is fundamental

[@karimglasgow5518]

​@@alwaysreliable3 well if you wanna debate semantics for he sake of winning an argument on the internet, then sure, Tiny was literally "produced" in NYC 1 year after Kareem. Dr J, OTOH, wasn't. Because - let's debate more semantics - he was produced on LI. It's subject to interpretation I suppose, but I believe their discussion very much is about era. The point Cam's making is that for how NYC's supposed to be the Mecca of basketball, that hasn't been reflected on NBA rosters for decades. They did miss Bernard King but does it matter? Just means the last NYC superstar retired 30 years ago rather than 34 years ago.

[@alwaysreliable3]

@@karimglasgow5518 good morning. No that is not what it means, if you were answering the question that was asked what it means was he was wrong. As for Julius erving, who I know, in point of fact he is from Roosevelt Long Island where my brother lives right now. So if we wanted to use that as disqualifier, it would be accurate. But then I would do the same to disqualify many players from Los Angeles who were not actually from Los Angeles county. I would do the same for Detroit. The question was not asked about error the question was asked about a specific player and time and the date that that player begin in the NBA as a starting point. 7 point of fact you're not conceding tiny Archibald to me, it is just fact. Given that I grew up in the bronx, and I also knew tiny archibald. It is just fact. It is not about winning an argument on the internet, there is no argument what I stated was fact. It was a direct answer to the question that was asked.

[@marqus23]

S/o Felipe Lopez and the Dominican Republic One Love 💯

[@RockettServehard-li1do]

what a great video love camron yah nyc how come no home grown talent coming out of the mecca thats a travesty

[@DLB1973]

Played against booger at Arizona Western Junior College in yuma Az

[@edscottable]

Kareem wasn’t ghetto. He’s wasn’t your typical NYC ball player. Also, his game had no holes. There hasn’t been another Kareem, because there hasn’t been another Kareem.

[@bigsnap5]

Being Ghetto has nothing to with the lack of superstars that followed Kareem. There are plenty of legitimate mistakes the NYC basketball scene made, all of them perfectly innocent. Keep the stupid shit to your self.

[@bluewave3417]

The talent has gone to the suburbs. These days prospects need resources and family structure to navigate AAU and other challenges to eventually make it pro. Big cities are full of single people, single parents, and destractions. Many of the dual parent families are going to lower cost metros with better amenities. If they are staying in the tri state area then they are going to New Jersey. Otherwise they are leaving that area altogether. They're going to Florida, Texas, Georgia and other areas. Those places will produce the bulk of the basketball talent in the coming years.

[@mjones7887]

Ya it’s sad nba is now full of bunch of rich kids

[@bluewave3417]

@@mjones7887 I remember in the early years Kobe Bryant got flak for being a "silver spoon" kid because his dad played in the leauge and overseas. Now that's becoming more common among NBA players. The Warriors championship team of 2022 had 3 starters who are the sons of former NBA players (Curry, Thompson, Wiggins).

[@AlmightyWavyy]

Cam got the best Mase impersonation 😭

[@cedricturner4416]

Bernard King was that dude

[@stevenmichienzi9833]

Let's put it this way, if Starbury is a first ballot hall of famer, Michael Ray Richardson should have been inducted into the HOF at least 15 years ago.

[@freddycalipari4242]

On what basis? Marbury played longer and has bettee stats

[@stevenmichienzi9833]

@@freddycalipari4242 if we talk about regular season statistics, Marbury has more points and assists, but Richardson has more rebounds and steals, and if you look at the numbers in the playoffs, Richardson had better averages, and also in '84 the Nets eliminated the reigning champions Sixers. Furthermore, Richardson was a better defender, in 1980 he managed to lead the league in assists and steals (stealing ranking which he would win three times) 4 times at the all-star game in only eight seasons played, and then when he was ostracized from the league due to his ongoing drug problems he went to Italy where he won two Italian cups and a Saporta cup in Europe. In fact the careers of both are similar, but I see more potential and also more results from Richardson, therefore he should have a better chance of being a HOF. Having said that, however, I believe that both of them should not be introduced into the HOF, they had great talent but for different reasons they were never able to express it at their best, and they did not do enough to deserve it.

[@nostalgia4infiniti850]

No way marbury first ballot

[@Thatdude-tp7xs]

​@@nostalgia4infiniti850yes based on overall basketball career hs pro and over seas

[@stevenmichienzi9833]

@@nostalgia4infiniti850 thanks brother

[@vindigga6]

I wish NY could get a crazy super star on the Knicks thats from NY. The nba would be nuts.

[@matthewdigiacomo2580]

I ran into Earl "The Goat" Manigault one time at Rucker Park as I went to watch Rafer Alston in the early 90s. Had heard of Alston through some friends and thought ... 'I got to see if this is fact or fiction!" Well, he did not disappoint. As for The Goat ... he suggested that too many kids are chasing playground legends, and that playground style often doesn't blaze a path to the next level. I don't remember the entire conversation, but I do remember him pointing to a younger player and pointing out that he needed to focus on his fundamentals. The kid was exciting to watch, but for all the flash and flare, he also made a lot of mistakes. He may have had like 30 points and 15 turnovers or something like that (It was a long time ago ... LOL). I got a sense of regret from Manigault ... Almost as if he was speaking in the context of his own missed opportunity. Never met Earl before that but I had heard of him. Seemed like a very nice man and boy did he know the game and study the players. Was telling me what guys were going to do before they did it. Just an encyclopedia of basketball knowledge. Was sad to learn he passed several years after that meeting.

[@dons731]

Barnes lookin “da Herb” interviewer

[@thomasberrymanll4595]

What about Bernard King?

[@JustSayMilo]

NOT A SUPERSTAR,BUT A STAR IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME

[@keithbperrin9633]

Bernard was ABSOLUTELY a superstar

[@BigDee33]

He's a hall of famer

[@Hotobu]

@@JustSayMiloHow can someone be in the HOF, but not have been a superstar?

[@lamart3857]

​@@Hotobulook up bill bradley

[@stevenmichienzi9833]

and even though he was from New York, Kareem decided to go and play at UCLA, with all due respect to his high school coaches, I would say John Wooden deserves a lot more credit for this player's development and also for the skyhook

[@Cubanlinx63]

Kareem dominated the national champion UCLA team when he was a freshman since in that era freshmen were not allowed to play on the Varsity. Most top guys from the Northeast would not end up playing college locally at the time. Kareem went to UCLA. Bernard King and Ernie Grunfeld went to Tennessee. Wilt was from Phily but, went to Kansas. It was not until the Big East became a big deal in the 80s did some of the top talent stay in the area.

[@stevenmichienzi9833]

@@Cubanlinx63 in reality not many players do it even now, however it does not take away credit from Wooden's great work, if Kareem chose UCLA rather than Princeton, it's because he saw in that coach the best basketball teacher possible

[@stevenmichienzi9833]

@@Cubanlinx63 there are many talents born in New York, but I don't think it has great basketball schools or universities

[@joelthaman]

Wrong, Kareem is probably the most dominant high school player ever, check his doc

[@beaujac311]

@@joelthaman Exactly. Kareem had game before he went out to UCLA. John Wooden just polished what was already there.

[@thelifeof3.14]

Mark Jackson is from Queens. Bernard King, Brooklyn.

[@gman1474]

NY has waaay more ppl than any other city so statistically they should produce far more elite hoopers. The problem is they focus on flash over substance. On the AAU circuit many NYers have crazy handles & dunks but their shooting, passing & D is subpar

[@GS-ex9sg]

That is only a portion. You also need a subclass of people who have a chance to make nba.

[@dexterharper3165]

I was gonna say Dr. J (Julius Erving) but he's from Roosevelt, NY. 🤔🤷‍♂

[@dre.visionary]

Long money island

[@kenstevens7855]

Bernard King was a superstar before he got hurt.

[@larrythelieutenant1783]

You have 2 HOF guys from BK in Bernard King and Chris Mullins.

[@Weshmorrey]

Guys let’s not forget that mention that NYC has a large immigrant population, lots of these brothers out there are either Caribbean’s, Latinos or Africans. They can ball but there’s that little something they don’t have that black Americans (FBA) have.

[@trabbone]

I would consider Bernard King a superstar.

[@Wise-o.g.]

BK a legend

[@dooval434]

And I'm seeing a lot of these comments and not a lot of Dr J mentions! What am I missing! If Dr wasn't a superstar, the word doesn't exist! What am I missing?

[@jeremykao2]

@@dooval434 Dr. J from Long Island. It’s a county outside of Queens but not one of the 5 boroughs of NYC.

[@jasonwolfe3252]

Every time I say this, I get a bunch of nyers bringing up Jordan, Melo and a bunch of street ballers lmao. Props to Cam for keeping it real.

[@daveddj]

This dude did not mention Chris Mullin from Power Memorial(catholic school also). I remember coach ( St. Raymond H.S.) telling us to play box and 1 defense(4 play zone and 1 guy guarding man to man). Coach said “you see that dude with army cut and pimples? Guard him as your life depended on it lol.

[@Quran112083]

I love Cam

[@darrendent8288]

If anything you can say that FL has put out more superstars (T-mac, and Vince) than NY has put out and we’re a football state.

[@godofthisshit]

NYC or NY? No to NYC and State

[@_x11111]

T-Mac, Vince, Stoudemaire

[@Cubanlinx63]

Chris Mullin is probably the best NYC player since Kareem. Kemba Walker made some all-star teams. And there is still usually at least one NYC player drafted in the 1st round every season. NYC needs to start claiming Northern Jersey, Long Island, and Westchester guys. Like Kyrie(NJ), KAT(NJ) and Donovan Mitchell(Westchester). A bunch of players LA claims like James Harden, Paul George, and Russell Westbrook are not really from LA.

[@futureflavors205]

Exactly. Every other large metro area includes the neighboring suburbs except NYC

[@twilitezn]

@@futureflavors205 Kenny Anderson COULD have been a superstar....MAN, he was crazy good......

[@august_3rd]

We not claiming them 😂😂😂 but those guys are not super stars. All stars yeah

[@otisjenkinsjr.3556]

Mullen wasn't better than Marbury

[@Hotobu]

@@otisjenkinsjr.3556 Not at all, Marbury left the league on a downward trajectory and only made two All Stars. Mullin is a 5x all star 4x All-NBA

[@EdwardCaffrey22]

My Nets drafted many NYC point guards hoping to get better but as important, get a local hero to get fannies in the seats. I was as guilty as they were when we had Eddie Jordan and James Bailey (after he had stints on other teams). My Nets also chose Mike O’Koren instead of similar talent of La Salle’s Michael Brooks or Andrew Toney. Even in later years, we tried two guys from Connecticut. (M.Williams &TheCenter). j initially hoped for the best since they knew each other and hopefully fans of CT. basketball would cone down. (The 1950s NYC College Gambling /GameFixing damaged reputation and may have filtered despair to the playground.)

[@MrWARBUCKS24]

Eddie Jordan is from D.C.

[@jaylegacy385]

Isiah whitehead

[@FlyingImmortal]

Kenny Anderson,Dwayne Washington and Khalid Reeves comes to mind.

[@erichvonmolder9310]

One of the things in life I don't give any time thinking about.

[@mostmost1]

We played the game for fun and enjoyment first. Those who had the height and drive they took to develop them in college. They dont seemingly hoop for fun and excitement in this aau era. They doing it for buisness.

[@dajosee]

Bernard King ruled the NBA for a brief period in the 80's

[@Bacalao2929]

From Puerto Plata

[@sonyaugustin5179]

Cam the juco system change the land scape of the high-school basketball system

[@knahknoh]

The game is universal …nyc has rep’d…nothing wrong w/ torch being passed (especially w/ media - way more competitive now)

[@alexo5190]

The reason why NYC doesn't produce superstars is because number one look at our outdoor basketball courts, we only started getting nets on hoops maybe about 5-8 years ago and thats only on some courts. You cant produce talent if your outdoor courts is garbage, shit a lot of NYC hoops aint even 10ft tall or they have cracks on the cement or the cement itself is uneven smh. 2nd, there isnt enough basketball gyms so that people can put in serious work to improve their skills, its 10 million people in this city, you would think their should be more gyms, but since there isn't most guys just play basketball they dont develop their craft because of the lack of individual space and time. 3rd for some odd reason we dont have educated people training basketball players in NYC, you'll rarely find coaches or trainers who have a CSCS certification or have an undergrad or masters in exercise science. How can you structure a hs players rise to the top if you dont know the fundamentals of periodization? Unfortunately AAU is just run by hood dudes who have no clue what they're doing and this is why NYC will never produce superstars, you cant build greatness without structure and discipline

[@godofthisshit]

Kids don’t even be outside like that.

[@karimglasgow5518]

The courts were never the issue, at least not back in my day. Never a shortage of places to play in NYC. As long as the backboard had a hoop and the ball had air, you could make it work. (Besides, you think I'm mad about those "slightly less than 10ft" rims? I eventually got to know most of the spots in BK and Queens where I could dunk 2-handed, no-step 😂) The other points are valid and always have been. We basically all either taught ourselves or were taught by someone who taught themself. It's pretty funny to look back at now, but yeah, how many of our "coaches" had actual credentials beyond you heard they used to get buckets at that same park back in their day?

[@karimglasgow5518]

​@@godofthisshityeah that too. I've been gone from NYC but visit family a few times a year. Remember being there last July, 1 in the afternoon, about 85 degrees out, and the courts across the street from where I grew up were practically empty. Couldn't believe it; 30 years ago there'd be 2 fulls going and at least 2 squads waiting their turn at each court. That's part of it tho. Really, most of us just played bc it was something to do after school or during the summer, not bc we seriously expected to go somewhere with basketball. These kids today (in my best grumpy old man voice) have so many other forms of entertainment, I can't blame them if they wanna stay inside. I mean...your 2K character actually can become a superstar.

[@godofthisshit]

@@karimglasgow5518 20-30 years ago you could find full courts in the winter, let alone the summer. I don't blame the kids either, but I do think being less active with diets getting worst are going to lead to some bad consequences(and I'm not just talking about weight).

[@karimglasgow5518]

@@godofthisshit hell yeah we were out there in the winter. Really just blizzards that stopped us and even then, at least one of us had a football. I agree re: the increasing lack of activity. Besides the obvious health risks, I feel like the ability to just interact, in general, suffers as well. My kids, fortunately, still enjoy getting outside on a regular basis and I don't think it's anything I influenced all that much. Hopefully it stays that way.

[@brandonmaryland]

6:25 it’s funny cam says he bust another ninjas ass and didn’t say pause😱 Amazing 😂

[@brianwongwon9785]

Kemba! From the Bx but played for rice and the gauchos. He was a borderline superstar for a minute. Cmon cam!

[@allemoney]

Good to see someone major from NY be real about the hubris in some form. The only thing NY is truly best at is saying that they are the best at everything. Lol

[@godofthisshit]

Best at rapping, best at fashion, best at bagels, best at mass transit(U.S).

[@allemoney]

⁠@@godofthisshitATL got yall beat in rap. Paris got yall beat in fashion and public transit. Yall might have bagels. lol

[@godofthisshit]

@@allemoney Nah, I like how NY have a working class fashion based. NY I think still produce better rappers than Atlanta, and NY for sure have bagels.

[@alwaysreliable3]

You mean the city that EVERYONE wants to make it in? Thats why. Three major industry that control and run America are based here. Media, Fashion, and Financial center (Wall St). Put respect on our name

[@godofthisshit]

@@alwaysreliable3 Fashion running the nation is a bit extreme but yes, NYC has more than carried it's weight within these United States. It's a city with the economy of a well off nation.

[@mohamedndaw5906]

North Jersey been producing all the stars for the tri-state. Facts

[@dre.visionary]

Who ????

[@TheFallen3]

Ahh bruv I’m coming, give me a few years

[@jessemiller4970]

We don't know how old Felipe is 😂😂

[@CapoWhoLaughs]

You wouldnt count Marbury? Probably not but Marbury was that guy for years.

[@august_3rd]

He was a star not a super star

[@lamart3857]

Marbury made 2 all star games and never even made 2nd team all nba how was he a superstar?

[@Yavin4]

OTOH, Chicago got ballers, Isiah Thomas, Derrick Rose, Kevin Garnett, Anthony Davis, Tim Hardaway, Dwayne Wade, and more.

[@Chosen1Crown]

Antoine Walker Michael Finley Patrick Beverley Mo cheeks Doc Rivers Nick Anderson, Juwan Howard Tony Allen Terry Cummings etc all frm Chicago

[@mongoslade277]

Kevin Garnett is from South Carolina. Stop it. He'd played in Chicago for 1 year

[@Yavin4]

@@mongoslade277 Okay. That's one off the list. Still, you could put together an all star team of CHI players in their prime.

[@RICHBLACKCOCK]

​@@Chosen1CrownTim Hardaway, Rickey Green, Mark Aguirre, Quinn Buckner, Cazzie Russell; gotta say Ben Wilson also. He was on that level.

[@leorocker180]

Damn throwing mad shade to Felipe 🤣, but yes the hype train was real, my uncles who just watched Baseball suddenly became Basketball "fans" 🤣 at least he can say he was drafted in the first round in the NBA and lasted a few years.

[@kelvinperez2702]

There’s a lot of stars past and present that are from NY. You just have to look it up

[@umarwali7184]

Bernard King!!!!! Brooklyn...superstar...only a bad knee stopped him

[@survivingwatson7430]

didnt even stop him fr being on mid teams did

[@camiamproducer]

Facts, Chicago overtook NY for that title

[@UltraKellonRealEstate]

💯💯💯💯

[@Chosen1Crown]

Chicago Been better .. Don’t forget about Detroit hoopers … Midwest produceed 🔥

[@IanG.Redmond-hc9pq]

Im from Chicago and I have hooped in NYC a few times. What i’ve noticed is guys care more about embarrassing their opponent than winning or playing good ball. Ive seen guys cross someone over, have a wide open layup, and wait for the guy to recover so they can cross him up again before scoring. Too much dribbling, too much look at me. Im not hating or being envious, just my observations.

[@clh2192]

Ok-lol. Some corrections. Up until Kenny Anderson, the public schools had most of the talent. After Kenny it shifted towards the Catholic schools and only Lincoln would consistently put out players. When NY was still NY, public schools like Boys and Girls, Andrew Jackson, Alexander Hamilton, Benjamin Franklin, Stevenson, and DeWitt Clinton were powerhouses. Ricky Sobers had a 10 year NBA career and didn't even play HS ball at Clinton. That's how much talent some of these schools had. And, there's only one Kareem. So if that's your superstar standard, you don't get more than one-lol. On the other hand, Tiny Archibald was a superstar. So was Bernard King and arguably Chris Mullin. Jamal Mashburn was on his way to stardom but Toni Braxton and a knee injury messed that up. And, unfortunately, Stephon Marbury sabotaged his own path. As far as shooting goes- Vinnie Johnson, Kenny Smith, Mullin, Pee Wee Kirkland, Joe Hammond, Kemba Walker, World B Free, Brian Winters, Rolando Blackmon, Steph, King, Roger Brown, Lloyd Daniels, Fly Williams., Khalid Reeves, Rafer Alson, Mash... could all shoot. All things being equal... the "why", however, is what Cam said it was-"the distraction". In the 70s, 80s and 90s... there was so much going on in the City. Was hard for guys to focus. But the talent was real. Take Mark Jackson. Mark wasn't the most talented guy in Queens, let alone NYC. Was not highly regarded (don't let hindsight fool you). Yet, he was a college all-american, first round draft pick, Rookie of the Year, and NBA all-star. Anthony Mason came off the bench in HS and he had 10+ NBA career. There were way more talented guys than Mark and Mase. But, in the case of Mark, he went to class, kept his body clean, and was disciplined. In those days, NY was where the money and the party was at. And, young ball players, particularly the promising ones, had access to it. Then there was the transition to the college life. For the Black players it was hard. A rural or small town campus full of white people and HBCUs didn't recruit them. And, whether on a Black or white campus, players had to tone down their games to fit in to what coaches wanted. Guys were playing handcuffed. Do that, or play the way you want in the summer tournaments, hang out, party and make money in New York? A lot of guys chose the latter. Even when they made it to the NBA-lol. And then the crack bomb dropped! Followed by gentrification. NYC basketball hasn't been the same since the 80s. And, the last real talent to come out was Lamar Odom. In another world Carmelo Anthony, Kyrie Irving, Ben Simmons, and Karl Anthony Towns are those superstars Cam is looking for. Think about it.

[@mongoslade277]

😂😂. Your comment is nothing but Facts but when you said if The Monster Mash didn't have that microfracture surgery then mentioned Toni Braxton I WAS GONE 🤣. Dropped my phone and everything. Masburn & Jason Kidd had beef with Jim Jackson. Might have been Kidd & Jim Jackson that had the fallout over Toni Braxton

[@clh2192]

@@mongoslade277 The Mavs were the "it" team then the BS broke them up. What's crazy is that Toni Braxton was involved. That's some 202x social media $hit, but in the early 90s? It was like "What the F!"-lol

[@prettyridesmedia]

Kemba was last all star I believe and has been weak for years. Used to be the where you used to recruit, not no more. Jersey is more of a hot bed.

[@vizionaryentertainment8464]

was lance stephenson a all star?

[@Blingblaow477]

MELO, JR?

[@prettyridesmedia]

@@Blingblaow477 he’s currently a 3/4 star kid .. not quite like his dad

[@oldschool6328]

I don't know who Cam is or what he has done.... but have you completely forgotten Bernard King... seriously?!

He is a rapper. One of the founders of The Diplomats/Dipset movement in the early to mid 2000s. He also rapped with rappers Mase, Big L, and Herb McGruff in the early 90s group Children of the Corn.

[@HarlemzJAZ]

Julius Erving Roosevelt Island? I think…… Tiny Archibald…..

[@bigvig209]

What about Marbury?

[@JoshGreenFist]

Cam ain't lying about the distractions. Knew some of the nicest hoopers back when I lived in NY and many them were always caught up in some shit off the courts.

[@KiraDaBeastNY]

Yup. The amount of niggas I know and knew who could hoop fr that didn't do anything cause they was in street shit, or couldn't get they grades together is nuts. I knew a dude who was super nice, and he straight up just didn't get his grades right so they never let him on the team.

[@dre.visionary]

Chatted we have top ranked players . You guys missing the point , it’s not even many superstars in the nba that you call a superstar

[@kincamell2]

Peace to Kareem. Dr J and Bernard King were amazing. I think Dr J grew up in Long Island and Bernard grew up in Brooklyn. Mark Jackson, Rod Strickland, Kenny Anderson and God Shamgod were nice. Peace to The Soul In The Hole soundtrack and documentary , Booger was nice.

[@grostoss4259]

Kenny Smith from Queens isnt he ?

[@tleevee62]

Excellent comments here, former Chi during Thomas, Aguire, Rivers time. It gets political due to the Inner being just beat down or turning to gentrification. Powers to be swoop the players to suburbs or super schools (usually suburban) and the majors are scooped to the AAU $hoe teams/IMG. I'm down south (Bama) now and it is basically the same way.

[@eddietalley534]

Cali the Mecca now, we got all the superstars