Shut Up! Comicsgate NEEDS Drama To Survive! Comic Shop Owner Calls Them Out!

[@nuke7138]

I used to back comicsgate books but I found the behavior within that group repugnant. I do not read books with pronouns or rainbow crap in them, but the way CG tears down other people ( some within their own group) in order to sale books is just as bad as the way Marvel and DC professionals act that I have a problem with.

[@qrevere5546]

You will back more cg books if you ever backed one in your life. They're the best.

[@andrewrowland1989]

They don’t even try to get their books out into the real world like Barnes & Nobles or Walmart, and brag about “fighting the culture war”. But no, they rather stay in their little bubbles making money through drama and superchat farming.

[@harbingerofchaos6720]

HAHAHAHAHAAHHAAH!!!! Comic store owner is calling out customers for not passing his purity test, as he goes out of business!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH!!!!

[@marcogenovesi8570]

He is talking about the people making the books, EVS specifically (cyberfrog and the reliance on drama)

[@harbingerofchaos6720]

@@marcogenovesi8570 I've seen the whole lot of this "interview" and the arrogance he has towards his own customers showed even before he expressed it, which he eventually did. Couple of points. 1) EVS makes his books 2) People keep buying them. 3) Internet is drama. Which leads to an interesting question - You know who is doing the drama, and hoping he can sell books from it YET not actually make any books of his own? Yeah... This store-owner. Only he's going out of business as well. That's what's so damn funny, dude!!! HAHAHAHAHA!

[@marcogenovesi8570]

@@harbingerofchaos6720 you keep repeating he is arrogant towards customers when he has only talked about the people making the books. EVS is late on his books, people in a comic book shop don't pay in advance like with a crowdfunding, and EVS needs drama to promote and maintain his fanbase. This comic book shop owner isn't relying on EVS for nothing, if he would he would be out of businness years ago

[@harbingerofchaos6720]

@@marcogenovesi8570 I repeat: I saw the ENTIRE interview, and not just a selected 'cut' from it. You may or may not be oblivious to the fact there is more, but I'm not. And of course this guy is not relying on EVS for anything - yet he still needs to get on screen to comment about him. Its because he's finding it hard to sell the stuff he has, at the very same time he's hearing his customers in his store going on and on about Ethan's stuff (those are the customers that haven't disappeared on him). That has gotta bite. Later on he starts to slag off his customers that would get Cyberfrog, and act all Puritan that he doesn't want anything to do with them. Its no doubt noted, seeing as everyone had such a laugh at him on a livestream.... No doubt he just lost even more of his customers... Its so funny once you know the context.... Which you don't.

[@markhowd7117]

Comicsgaters are not customers of LCS they buy from creators

[@oophorror2251]

You know what’s ironic? You’re actually more in line with original Comicsgate than EVS is.

[@thecountergentleman]

Saying Cyberfrog would’ve lasted as long as Spawn is silly because EVS started as an indie creator then moved to the big two whereas Todd McFarlane was well established within the big two before he moved to the indie scene, and saying Comicsgate hates women or even gay people is silly, we don’t hate them, when it comes to immutable characteristics of an individual that isn’t a reason to hate and even people who choose a different lifestyle we don’t hate them imo to each their own and when I say “we” I mean me because I don’t speak for all of comicsgate

[@headshot217]

Its also no where near as cool regardless of politics or how established todd was before

[@eigeemars8131]

Comicsgate demeans women and people of other races, sexual orientations, creeds, and walks of life on a regular basis. I'm not part of CG and even I know CGers do this, because I listen to them talk on their streams and see where they are politically. I also listen to what CG *isn't* saying. You telling us CG doesn't do any of that just shows you aren't paying attention to what's been happening around you in CG spaces. CG's foundation is "the culture war" grift, it's how it makes its money, and you're enriching personalities who hold racist, sexist, and bigoted views. Just own it.

[@oophorror2251]

Todd McFarlane was more of a superstar than just well-established. And EVS most definitely hates women…and doesn’t seem to fond of LGBT people…unless they’re parked outside a pizza parlor.

[@treymykel]

No he's right because if cyber frog was good it would have lasted as long as spawn hell the other artists who created books under image their books went past Ethan cyber for all originally You know what I'm saying so there's no excuse I mean we still got a lot of them that are still going on to this day they've had about 10 years to a decade of sales compared to cyber frog which didn't.

[@stationXERO999]

@@thecountergentleman That's a really long sentence.

[@newyardleysinclair9960]

Comics Gate is a brand name? Thats a terrible name. Every time i hear it i think its some sort of scandal in the comic book industry

[@airrickdebunks]

Its not exactly a "brand" its more a community of creators. There is an official trademark for comicsgate but its not used as a publisher for comics.

[@newyardleysinclair9960]

Gotcha.. thanks ​@@airrickdebunks

[@MidnightRambler]

The endless whining. You don't get to decide what people create or purchase. Or get censored and ban people. Grow up and do your own thing.

[@jayd5360]

Mainstream comics are dying because if this woke cancer

[@airrickdebunks]

Comics will be around and being sold long after both of us are gone. Be realistic here.

[@luxuriousmindset1906]

​@@airrickdebunks lol yeah these goofy people fell for the scam

[@churchvstheworld5815]

I been getting into the rippaverse alpha core was awesome but yeah I agree comics will be around but it's because of the Eric July's and Robert Kirkmens and people that just wanna make good stories it's prolly gonna go back to being a niche nerd thing and I'm cool with that let people that actually care about the properties go back to making them...I still had a small pull list until a few years ago and i finally broke when they completely just ruined Spiderman and even batman my all time favor book got unreadable so I'm all for the indie scene it got me back into comics

[@ArksideGames]

Yes, but comicsgaters failing because of their infighting is going to put a nail on the coffin of western comic book industry.

[@ArksideGames]

@@airrickdebunks Sure, but western mainstream ones? Nah

[@nicodemous52]

His take isn't so bad, it's reasonable enough. But I can't help but feel he's masking. He has a lot more distain and animosity toward CG than he is admitting to.

[@airrickdebunks]

Thats totally possible.

[@koolarooo]

Yeah I think there may be distain but it’s deserved in my opinion. Comics gate is so goofy to me, like if you do like certain politics in comics, don’t read those comics or publishers or whatever. Obsessing over it is cringe. I think a lot of us who are really into comics roll our eyes at it because there are more interesting comics out there than you’ll ever read in your lifetime. So building your brand or identity around whining about sjws in comics or whatever is just boring when you could be out there reading, writing, or reviewing actually interesting comics.

[@blastradius9136]

Boy this whole video is the definition of passive aggressive and projection. lol. Id be worrying about his struggling comic book shop more than what EVS and CG are doing. For someone who owns a comic book shop I barely see any comics behind him.....

[@airrickdebunks]

CG comics would never save comic book shops. The people who sell comics online have no incentive to publish comics the way the mainstream does therefore they arent contributing to the success of the shops.

[@airrickdebunks]

These Folks Don't Understand Modern Comics. #shorts

[@blastradius9136]

@@airrickdebunks We understand that they're garbage filled with far leftist political propaganda written by genderless untalented hacks who couldn't even cut it at a local McDonald's lol. Standards are low at the big two and that's a reflection at the top starting with editors like Tom Brevoort. Who should be fired btw.... Even Image Comics now are putting more readable shit than DC or Marvel..

[@blastradius9136]

@@airrickdebunks We understand trash sir which is why comic sales are low with the big two. Image on the other has actually been putting some decent stuff than Marvel or DC. Get some better talent and it wouldn't be trash, then people wouldn't make fun of junk, and you wouldn't have to make videos.

[@airrickdebunks]

@@blastradius9136 So again... CG and indie comics have nothing to do with this guys complaints in regards to HIS business. Your original comment said he should worry about his business as if he can only do 1 thing at a time OR that they are connected issues.

[@silverback7348]

EVS has blatantly said he wants all the drama and smoke and his ego proves he is never wrong. He will be sure to tell you. He’s taking the easier $ through his Trashcasts because it IS lucrative for him in the short term …and it FEEDS his ego. Just ask him. EVS will tell you. 😆 Long-term, the content and lack of production as a comic pro will hurt. How much remains to be seen. I pray for his success. His voice is needed. But I do not think 4 hour Trashcasts are the way.

[@airrickdebunks]

I know a lot of EVS fans have said they arent happy about the trashcasts but I understand WHY he is doing them. The numbers for him are massive and like you said short term, he is going to benefit greatly from those. EVS has been resilient in his space so once this all blows over I am curious to see what the lasting effects will be from all of this bridge burning.

[@bravo0105]

What were American comics have ceded their market to manga. They've now lost a couple generations of readers to manga and with more to follow. Those people aren't coming back. As for comicsgate, it quickly devolved into a circular firing squad, and evs reveled in it. What were marvel and dc are now zombies; they'll NEVER recover.

[@TheJohno95]

I'll speak my mind on this since I bumped into it. I have argued quite a bit with the people that are being talked about in this video. Way back in the day when the whole social justice warrior movement was going on in Marvel and all of the characters started changing lifestyles and several were being written like garbage. Anyone remember Black Panther and the Crew, where every character talked in 70's jive, EXCEPT Luke Cage? I wish I didn't remember that crap, but I digress...When the Comicsgate folks were saying it was the end of comics, I was the person arguing that yeah, I didn't like a lot of the stuff coming out, but it is what is is. Not everything is written for me. There have always been politics in comics and this too would pass. The world of comics would continue to grow and move forward and change as the times. Now, I find myself at least having an appreciation for these people. I have downed Cyberfrog to Ethan and he wouldn't take the bait. He has always liked my comments, even if they were blasting him. When he does respond, it's always cordial. And the man does actually read the comments, even when they're these term papers I cook up. On the other hand, the people I was taking up for have a tendency to attack me even when I'm agreeing with them. Some facet of the comment strikes them wrong and they immediately tune out anything I said in their favor and crucify me for not selling the party line. And I hate to say it, looking at the current market, those Comicsgate guys are probably right! If comic companies don't try to get their creators to ease off the preaching and tell some stories, there may not BE a comic industry in America in a decade! The people that have been keeping the comic companies in business are aging out. Or they're put off that the companies don't like them and don't want their business. Even though they're the ones who have kept money in their pockets. Those dudes that are living in their mom's basement and have no social skills are the ones that go and buy physical copies of this stuff. The angry youth that shout into their camera phones about the inequality of the evil comic book makers are either just downloading this stuff from illegal sites or don't read comics in the first place. There is room for everybody, but when you decide to ignore or despise your core audience, you invite disaster. Especially if the audience you are looking for is never going to care about your product. Essentially, I think the guy in this rant video is right. Everyone should just make their comics and shut up! Both sides should stop making drama and just put out their product. But folks shouldn't get mad when an issue of Batman punching the Joker in the face makes far more sales than an issue of She-Hulk and Iceman going to a food truck convention and sipping on Starbucks does. As far as the arguments go, I think there are points on both sides. I DO think that Marvel and DC lean way to heavy into dudes in capes punching each other into infinity. And some diversity in the content can be a good thing. Just not forced. I buy quite a few books that don't fit into the mainstream. If I like a writer's story or an artist's art, I'm going to buy it. I don't care what race, gender, or political stance they have. I'm going to buy Maneaters a lot quicker than I'm going to buy Cyberfrog. And by that, I mean I'm probably never going to buy Cyberfrog and I kept up with Maneaters even after the cool sparkly covers and controversy happened. I just like interesting books. I miss the days when Marvel had all kinds of genres and DC had Vertigo and all kinds of weird titles. But I'm missing my point. I just think it's sad that I disagree with Ethan Van Sciver on a regular basis, but when I've traded comments with him, he's always been a gentleman. Versus the ranting and raving lunatics that attack me for agreeing with them. I'll just say this...The fascist is the one trying to force everyone to see things their way and silence anyone that disagrees. Not the people willing to argue their points but still be civil about it. The Cult of Personality isn't always hiding amidst the conservatives.

[@Minatorix]

The interesting thing is that a lot of comic book channels I follow don’t even talk or mention any books coming out of comicsgate they just wanna talk about their favorite books I feel like it’s just comicsgate that make comics political

[@blastradius9136]

Also there's a reason so called "marginalized" books were left to die in the indies back in the day because there is no market for them. Even to this day when DC and Marvel push LGBT propaganda in books they are low in sales. Men and boys( the actual market) dont want to read that crap and it only appeals to a small but very loud community. But people like you and others keep pushing this trash till there's no industry left.

[@ssimpson3288]

LGBTQ+ people existing isn't propaganda dingus.

[@GoBayside]

So don't make it all about politics, but also make it all about politics? If I ran a book store I would sell any book, but I may be careful what I promote. At its most extreme some nutty manifesto could be a source of academic interest. The wokeist attitude is what leads to book burning. I don't understand why these people feel they are liberal, since they seem to want absolute control of the narrative.

[@sirubisan698]

EVS is bent out of shape and is out of shape because Rippaverse is making him irrelevant in the Indiesphere.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

That's how EVS sees it, but we all know he is a paranoid. Every time another comic book artist did better than him he started drama in the past too. There is a reason if so many of his former peers hate him

[@sirubisan698]

@@marcogenovesi8570 I don't know if he'll suffer shock from the excessive pie gobbling or because of the indie competition

[@wa-bu3ke]

Nice joke he gets thousands every night on Trashcast

[@sirubisan698]

@@wa-bu3ke the world's largest pie gobbler just blocked me and my ability to send super chats.

[@danielcraig9666]

I hope not, RIppaverse is 0 for 3, absolute trash.

[@robotnoir5299]

I heard the anti-comics gate people hate flowers and puppys and sunshine, and say they shouldn't be in comics, and I just can't condone that. You know... assuming this is the right place to make ridiculous fake accusations.

[@harbingerofchaos6720]

Its not a thought out or considered approach. The evidence to bitch about CG being used is a store-owner (likewise having nothing to do with crowd-funding) bitch about competition... Because clearly his (now former, after seeing this) customers had mentioned the book in his store, while he's trying to sell them modern 'mainstream' crap.

[@JohnCasnaw]

I Love this honest video. Thank you.

[@73rmin8r]

Cyberfrog was and is a great book. It never took off back then because it was on two "who's that" labels with less than zero marketing with tiny runs. The people that read it loved it. The new cyberfrog stuff is essentially self published and not in stores or online storefronts so nobody other than people who know about and like Van Sciver soecifically even know about it. It's not in mainstream stores because "bad actors" on the other side attack anybody in the mainstream who tries to carry it. Saying Cyberfrog is not as huge as Spawn and therefore necessarily worse is just nonsensical when you concider all the disadvantages Cyberfrog has in just getting seen by potential readers. It may or may not be better or worse than Spawn, but looking at sales isnt going to tell you which.

[@airrickdebunks]

You cant compare the sales of those kinds of comics with mainstream comics, they arent the same business model.

[@popcornpower8751]

With that hat, and it is NOT about politics? Not buying it.

[@Hedgehobbit]

This shop owner is why I don't care when comic shops go out of business. Comicsgate hasn't been a factor for years. It shouldn't matter to a shop owner whether some dude sells one comic a year on Indiegogo.

[@heroineburgh]

Not saying the comic shop owner isn't correct in some ways about the KZbinrs' overweening and quite annoying need for constant drama, but he has bitterness as well, probably based on sitting around in his comic shop and not selling a whole lot of products. My question is: why aren't you identifying him? Within a day of Glenn O'Leary making his video, everyone knew who he was and the name of his shop. His KZbin channel burgeoned as he gained lots of subscribers. Glenn was actually already carrying our comic (we sold him copies at Terrificon the year before) but I called him on the phone to congratulate him on his viral status, and he bought another bunch of comics from us. I'd be interested to find out if this gentleman also supports indies the way Glenn does. One thing's for sure: he's not that well-informed on the history of Cyberfrog. Cyberfrog was never on "Image", it was on Harris and Hall of Heroes. Also, I have a theory (and it could be wrong). I don't know on which channel this short interview clip originally appeared, but could it be that someone with a vendetta against CG actually *sought him out* and taped the interview as a response to the Glenn O'Leary video? Could it be that someone actually sat down and thought, "Well, let's just go out and find a comic shop owner whose opinion is almost the opposite of Glenn's, and then Glenn's opinion will be null and void." I'm not saying that happened, but before ruling it out entirely, I'd like to know where this clip first appeared and who brought it to light. If I'm wrong about it, I'm wrong. [Full disclosure: I've backed plenty of both Indiegogo and Kickstarter comics campaigns, with biggest support reserved for the likes of Billy Tucci. I've never backed a Cyberfrog campaign, but I did buy an issue from EVS at Garden State Con, where we were also vending. However, the cover artist for our comic is also the colorist for both EVS' 'Fearsome' and Shane Davis' 'Inglorious Rex' and "Starlight Cats', so we have 'skin in the game' if only by association.]

[@airrickdebunks]

I dont know why people didn't have him identified when this clip went around. I was seeing it shared on social media and made it clear that I was not aware of the finer details. If it comes out that this guy is faking it then so be it. I happen to agree with some of what he said and had a desire to respond to this clip.

[@heroineburgh]

@@airrickdebunks No, I think it was great that you did respond, and I'm glad your channel popped up in my mentions. I'd just like to find out who he is. As I said, we deal directly with well over 200 comic shops, and if he supports indies as much as Glenn O'Leary does, then we'd love to stock our book in his store. He's not woke, so he's not going to turn us down for ideological reasons like two stores in the PacNW did. He'll look at it from a business perspective - either he has a clientele that likes Bronze Age good-girl books that remind them of Fem Force and George Perez, or he doesn't.

[@JediNiyte]

Do you see ANY irony at ALL in saying "they could be selling water in a bag with their signature on it and their fans would buy it"? That is the ONLY way woke comics and games get off the ground and go ANYWHERE. The content is almost universally terrible.

[@airrickdebunks]

So if woke is bad, objectively bad then how are they selling it to so many people? Why are the most successful brands "woke?"

[@christophernuzzi2780]

"I don't think that those are the people you'd want to have for customers." You should want anyone and everyone to be your customer, even if they have what you consider to be a garbage take on every subject.

[@Toramai-pi8wx]

It’s called business prerogative. If they don’t want certain people frequenting their business, then they make it to where those people will go elsewhere. Clearly he wants nothing to do with the toxic behavior so he is making it into a point to say that they are not welcomed and he wants no part of it. As a business owner he’s allowed to do that because guess what? He owns it he can do what he likes with it.

[@harbingerofchaos6720]

@@Toramai-pi8wx how's that going for a lot of businesses currently? I'm seeing those sorts of Puritan businesses being hit with massive financial collapses all over the place - which only means suddenly axing their staff... Meaning they are axing their fellow Puritans. That mean's those people eventually go elsewhere as well But, to clarify your comment (and my comment) in simple terms - its an owner's prerogative, NOT a business's one. To the Normie they won't be able to differentiate between the two - but there is a difference.

[@airrickdebunks]

I think a creator, business person whatever... can have a demographic in mind when they make content. Not everyone is going to be a customer for everything, thats just a ridiculous goal.

[@harbingerofchaos6720]

@@airrickdebunks there is a significant difference between having a demographic, but still understanding money is money wherever it comes from VS making demands on customers that will reduce the niche market even thinner. THAT is more ridiculous a situation - And one that should be the main point for this video. So why did you omit it as the main subject matter? Why did you take a bitter old Puritan try-hard and connect it into something totally separate from his actual busines? What sort of evidence is some 3rd party bitching about something he's not involved with, to justify your bitching about the same thing? Why not get direct examples of Comicsgate instead? This is a really poorly considered video to have put out.

[@airrickdebunks]

@harbingerofchaos6720 so CG can cater to a specific market and that's ok but everyone else needs to cast a wide net? You see how that's a double standard

[@BixRibene]

Comicsgate was a grift from Day One!

[@LouisPorterJr]

Here is my queation do you think the comics of the last 10 to 15 years, as a whole, have been very good in comparison of comics from 1985 to 2000? I think the quality had dropped greatly in comparison to the price, artwork and storyline. I will not even get into the sale numbers.

[@airrickdebunks]

I think its subjective to the reader who is buying them and collecting them. Its similar to when I was growing up my parents complaining about "modern music" as if there was something wrong with it because it wasnt the Beatles or Elvis. The sky is not falling, things change and progress happens. Its pointless to get upset that comic books arent catering to 40 year old and up age groups only.

[@LouisPorterJr]

@@airrickdebunksProgressive is one thing, BAD STORY TELLING is another. The storytelling is very weak. Where are the Roger Stern, John Byrne, Mark Gruenwald of this generation? People who stayed YEARS developing stories and taking unknown characters and making then popular? Where is the interest for newbie readers to jump on? comc books at $5 with 22 pages od story is NOT a good thing. Look at what Massive-verse is doing as an example.

[@heroineburgh]

@@airrickdebunks Comic sales are not "subjective". They are numbers. Sales of mainstream Western comics are terrible, the worst they've ever been. They've become a tiny niche. Sales of manga and children's comics (eg Dogman) are through the roof. Since those are three different genres, it is not possible to say that manga and children's title are "saving" the Western comics. Rather, they are overwhelming them. Yes, of course, things do "change", but that doesn't mean that the change is "progress". It's just different. Western superheroes are no longer dominant in publishing. And the weird thing is that this is DESPITE the fact that Western superheroes have been dominant in the entertainment industry (and in ancillary merchandising of that industry) for over two decades. It's one of the biggest missed opportunities in commercial history. All Marvel and DC had to do was publish comics that *looked like* the ones from the movies, and find distribution outlets which reached the customers who saw the movie (big box stores, supermarkets, big bookstores, kiosks in movie theaters, etc). That would have been pure capitalism, American style. They didn't do that, so the Western comics market share collapsed. The Comicsgate folks propose that one of the reasons that Marvel and DC didn't do it was because they had another agenda in mind: to change the industry ideologically from the inside. The evidence of this pops up in the editorial content of the books from "the last 10 to 15 years," as @LouisPorterJr implies. But most of all, it was just a massive marketing fail.

[@airrickdebunks]

Good and profitable are two different things. I and many others don't believe that art hinges on relevance because of how much money they make. The key is finding a balance between creative freedom and profit. Right now CG doesn't have a business model that will help comic book shops or the larger industry. The same way the bigger companies aren't out there selling comics like indies. They are in the same ecosystem but living on different sides. I happen to enjoy a lot of modern comics but I also realize many of them are not made for "me" and that's fine. I think everyone needs to realize that selling comics exclusively to older buyers is a death to their brand. They have to take chances, they have to try new things and not all of those will be home runs and that's ok.

[@heroineburgh]

@@airrickdebunks 1) Actually, there are some CG-related book and other similar indies going into stores. I mentioned Tucci? His Shi #1 art edition is going into stores through Diamond *after* he fulfills both his KS and IGG backers. We know plenty of other indie publishers who either deal through Diamond or go direct to many stores (Al Simpson from Vampires of New Jersey is one, Ted Sikora of Hero Tomorrow Comics is another). We go direct to over 200 stores without using Diamond at all (it is rare that anyone does that but it can be done). My point is that not everyone is ignoring shops. CG, as well as other indie books, is not a monolith where everyone automatically does everything the same way. 2) The fact that very few modern comics are "not for you" is not a generational choice. It's an ideological one. The comic book companies could have cultivated a huge audience of normie Millennials and Zoomers (not the tiny progressive audience which barely buys anything) to keep the aesthetic of classic superheroes alive. They chose not to - as I've already pointed out, they made a decision NOT to use their action-packed blockbuster movies to promote their comics, which was ridiculous. So, instead, the normie Gen Y and Gen Z-er male readers went for manga instead, because they was all they could find which satisfied their normal craving for good storytelling and good action and yes, sexy ladies. They went to My Hero Academia instead and similar titles like it. It's not just about the older audience. The big companies made a conscious decision to destroy the value of their own products. 3) They can 'try new things' and keep the older aesthetics alive (which, as I said, don't just appeal to 'old' people) at the same time. More than a decade into the Woke Era of modern comics, I think we are seeing some people at these companies wishing that they had done that. 4) To conclude, our particular comic book and TV show is designed specifically to have a Bronze Age aesthetic. That does connects with younger people as well as the older crowd. You just have to get it in front of their eyeballs and get it into their hands. Unfortunately, comic shops are no longer the best way to do that (although we do sell to them) - the Internet and Comicons are much better.

[@TheNuclearGeek]

"I don't have the numbers, it's just my feelings on it" and that right there is the problem, it's always "feelings". Who is "Comicsgate" anyway? What makes someone "Comicsgate"? I have literally never heard ANYONE say they "hate women", "women shouldn't be involved in comics", or "gay people don't belong in comics". Just saying that is disingenuous. You, like so many others, are conflating LACK OF INTEREST to mean HATE. Mainstream comics are DYING because of the insistence on including things in them that people do not want in their escapist media. Worse than that, it is often the main focus of the comics and extremely heavy handed. THAT is why they aren't selling. People read comics (really manga now), watch anime, and play games to get AWAY from all of that stuff we are inundated with on daily basis in our normal lives. We do NOT want it in our escapist media. Just because people don't want to read a comic about Superman's gay son protesting does NOT mean they HATE gay people or that they don't want gay people in comics. Just because men and boys don't want to read a comics about feminist ideals or body positivity or whatever does NOT mean they hate women or don't want women to write comics. Did you know that "Fullmetal Alchemist", one of the top manga and anime was written by a woman, Hiromu Arakawa-sensei? So don't go telling me comics fans won't read a story written by a woman. Comics have often been a medium of allegory, but you must write a GOOD STORY that is interesting for more reasons than the lead character is gay, or diverse, or a woman. Quit making the entire story about those single character aspects and write a story that just happens to feature a gay character. Quit race and gender swapping established characters and come up with a NEW character but don't make the entire story about that one particular aspect of their character. It's boring.

[@airrickdebunks]

Cope response, tons of people openly admit they are comicsgate. Also my feelings are valid when it comes to how I consume art and view art-based content.

[@TheNuclearGeek]

​@@airrickdebunks Which of us is really huffing that copium? Again WHO? It's always so vague. Name a "comicsgater" and quote them saying ANYTHING along the lines of the accusations you made. You're feelings ALONE are NOT valid when you are making accusations against people. You want to make an accusation that someone "hates women", "doesn't want women in comics", "hates gay people" then you better bring receipts, not your feelings. Start using facts and stop using your imagination. There isn't going to be a mainstream comics industry pretty soon precisely because of attitudes like yours. You want people to stop bitching and just write stories, how taking some of your own advice. Tell all those mainstream comics "artiests" to stop all the bitching and start writing stories PEOPLE WANT TO BUY.

[@paulghignon4092]

@@airrickdebunks I've never once seen people claim legit "they are comicsgate" even the people who were on ground zero when that nonsense started. I've only seen a few instances, only to find out they were mostly trolls looking to rile people up. It's just a way for one side to give a name to the boogeyman who opposes LGBT stances. The problem that many seem to fail to see is that they don't oppose it, they just don't care. Comics featuring gay people for example is just catering towards the niche part of an already niche market. Currently it's estimated that less than 2% of the US population reads comics books. Very few people read comics at this point, and the gay community is around 7.2% give or take. So they're catering to 7.2% of 2% which is 0.144% or 479,937 potential sales in the US if every single gay comic book reader bought a copy. Very few heterosexuals will find a gay character engaging, especially if the focus is their sexuality, because they simply don't relate to it. To say the person who responding to you is only making a "cope response" is in of itself a complete cop out to evade any of the points made. Yes how you feel does matter, but it doesn't somehow make a hyper niche market somehow profitable in an industry that's already struggling to stay afloat.

[@cookietoonam116]

9:36 in my opinion, they're not even trying.

[@TheNuclearGeek]

If you are going to besmirch the character of people, at least have the decency to use actual facts to back it up and not just your feelings.

[@airrickdebunks]

The measure of a persons character doesnt necessarily require facts. For example if I think someone is an asshole that only means that I personally feel like they are an asshole in some capacity. That may not ring the same for you.

[@notorioustampaton]

0:40 I hate speciesist shite like this.

[@thebruisedkind5345]

Ethan DESTROYED this sad old man last night...lol...I bet the poor old man will never wear his favorite Star Wars shirt in public again...I kinda feel sorry for him..he probably thought he was so cool looking in that shirt...

[@marcogenovesi8570]

Wow so EVS had so little to say about this man's arguments that he resorted to attacking his T shirt? I mean cool bro it's a tshirt

[@wa-bu3ke]

@@marcogenovesi8570 He only attacked his short for the first 10 seconds out of a 5 hour stream bro.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

@@wa-bu3ke so he had so little to say that not only he resorted to attacking a t-shirt but he also moved on after 10 seconds too

[@wa-bu3ke]

@@marcogenovesi8570 no, he attacked him for 5 hours. Nice try bro

[@thebruisedkind5345]

​@@marcogenovesi8570 yes ma'am...

[@Gangly_arms]

deleting comments now? 🤣🤣

[@airrickdebunks]

I dont delete comments