Shutting down the WRONG engine?? | British Midlands Flight 92

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January 8th, 1989
Just minutes after takeoff from London Heathrow, A Boeing 737 carrying 126 passengers and crew, is in serious trouble. The aircraft has begun to shake violently, and a sickening smell of burning has filled the air. Orange flashes light up the passenger cabin, as one of the engines begins tearing itself to pieces. The pilots shut down an engine, and begin limping the crippled jet back to the airport. But then, at the last minute, the captain has a horrifying realisation. They have shut down the wrong engine. How did such an experienced crew make such a basic mistake, and would they be able to fix it before time ran out?
This is the story of British Midlands flight 92
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​@@DF-et4gs He literally said it in the video.

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was about to comment the same! just unbelievable

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Boeing said the same thing about 737 max training. "The pilots dont need simulator training an ipad video is enough". Only to find that mcas was a major feature that required training.

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[@RoyDonk93]

This might be the most holes I’ve seen perfectly lined up in the slices of Swiss cheese in any of your videos. The sheer number of wasted opportunities to correctly identify the issue is shocking

[@michaelshore2300]

Most of which the pilots knew nothing about, According to Boeing no need saves money for airline.

[@FPVsean]

I think you left out one major lesson learned from this crash too, the overhead stowage bins were actually the cause of death for many if not all passengers that did unfortunately perish in the accident. From this crash, overhead bins in all aircraft were redesigned and retrofitted to never come loose from the airframe. Investigations showed people died of head injuries from the stowage compartments dropping upon them on impact. Survivors survived because they weren't hit on the head. I feel this was a key takeaway for this crash that could have been included in the video, as it's quite a major leap in aircraft safety that we take for granted nowadays

[@GreenDotAviation]

Very good point!

[@oboealto]

Not to take from the importance of the valid points you've raised, but to say that "survivors survived because they weren't hit on the head" following a terrible crash sounds a little oversimplistic...

[@FPVsean]

​@oboealto it's in the report if you look into it. Investigstors had to establish why surviving passengers in a seat adjacent to deceased passengers weren't killed. Yes, adjacent seats, not rows. You could have been ok in row 25A, and died in 25B, for example, just because of the overhead stowage. This was the cause of most if not all deaths onboard, despite the crash itself and what had happened to the airframe on impact.

[@gleebybooer]

@@FPVseanDid they not consider the surviving passengers just had extremely durable heads? Something to think about for sure

[@angamaitesangahyando685]

In what world is losing a limb preferable to lights out? - Adûnâi

[@Victy]

I can't believe they didnt pay attention to the engine indicators even after shutting it down

[@AMacLeod426]

Shh don't you read the comments? It's all greedy Boeing's fault, and nothing else. /s

[@PassiveSmoking]

Bad ergonomics combined with confirmation bias, it's a powerful mixture. One thing that the video doesn't mention is that in addition to being laid out in a weird way that made it harder than necessary to distinguish the instruments for the left hand side from the ones on the right hand side, the vibration meters themselves had a really weird design that replaced a needle that moved around the inside of the dial with LEDs that lit up around the outside, further hindering readability.

[@benl8704]

@@AMacLeod426 Quick! Defend the corporations! You'd think that the number of times the same thing has happened with Boeing that there *might* be a pattern emerging, but clearly you haven't connected those dots yet. You keep at it though!

[@gawwad4073]

Confirmation bias and lack of training to know how to deal with it. It's easy for you to say when watching a video.

[@gaiaiulia]

Wasn't there a problem with the instrument readings for the engines on the previous model where they were unreliable? These pilots didn't trust the new displays either and shut down the wrong engine 😕

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<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="145">2:25</a> "In what could be described as a signature move from the company" burrrnnnn!

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@@vincentgo5297 For some reason, that’s who I thought they were talking about at first, and were being sarcastic.

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[@zhituhu2822]

Imagine being the witness of the horrific left engine fire and then heard your captain said it was the right engine's fault and that he had shut down that faulty engine.

[@vanesslifeygo]

I can't imagine....

[@DamnYoustupid-ke8we]

These videos will definitely make me speak up if I’m on a flight with trouble. I’m going to be all up in their business!😂😂

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@@shivamgulati1377why did you feel the need to mention your from India

[@theonewhoatebread4976]

Imagine being in that situation - Youre responsible for many peoples lives as an engine burns and you shut down the wrong one...

[@user-jt5vm3mi1w]

No

[@anonym123jovan7]

i would be like "oh welp.. thats it then-"

[@Nathan-jh1ho]

TransAsia 235 also crashed becuase the pilot turned off the wrong engine. He realized his mistake in the last couple seconds of his life

[@ryanlittleton5615]

It's a phenomenon that's been around for as long as we've had multi engine aircraft.

[@lbdjthethird1240]

Now picture that every time you try to plug in a USB cable.

[@mendel5106]

I will never know why passengers and flight attendants can't communicate to the pilot what they saw out of the window.

[@glamdolly30]

Fear of contradicting an airline Captain, a God-like figure in the industry - especially back then. I also have to wonder if Capt Hunt was a domineering personality colleagues found unapproachable/difficult?

[@laulau194]

British people are just that socially awkward

[@btnbiker]

@@glamdolly30 He was apparently, I worked with one of the stewards from this flight who joined another airline. In fact, they used him for crew training

[@faithfulfairy1]

They had no reason not to believe the pilots, they had the instruments. Not only that but back then you don't antagonise the captain, stating what would seem obvious could do that

[@stephenbland7461]

@@glamdolly30the inconvenient reality……the company can do as much CRM training in the classroom as they like, but in the real world, god help a cabin crew who, in effect, tells a captain that they’ve got it wrong….

[@carguy-xv2cl]

Mentour pilot is great but I love how you put us in the passengers pov and build suspense throughout the story.

[@TheLingLingKai]

A family friend of ours who used to be an air traffic controller told me how he knew a few of the passengers who were on this flight and sadly lost their lives that day, what makes this story so tragic is that they were so agonisingly close to making it to the runway and probably would've made it if they had a bit more altitude

[@tedwalford7615]

If they'd held off the flaps and gear, without that drag perhaps they could have made it. It was foolish to bleed off speed knowing you were flying with only one engine, and a bad one at that.

[@letsridealps]

If IFS and BUTS were candy and nuts. They were landing the plane. You typically reduce altitude when trying to land. But you need engine power to land and had none. The issue was incompetence and failure to figure out which engine was literally on fire. These 2 men are a disgrace to aviation. I can't even call them pilots.

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[@PeaceJoyRestInMessiah]

@@letsridealps Amen. So sad, so true 😢😢 What the heck?! I hope that Captain feels his responsibility and scruples for the rest of his life for the deaths of those innocent lives! I wonder if he has ever even been remorseful at all… Absolutely inconceivable! With all that experience, he just turns off the perfectly functioning engine and keeps going like nobody’s business… 😮😳🤔 Wouldn’t even look out the window or ask cabin crew if they’d seen anything… What a total JERK! God forbid to fly with absolute non-professionals like these two! 🤦‍♀️🤯🥴🙄🙄 Lord have mercy on the perished souls 😢

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@@letsridealps How much flight time you got?

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[@madi--2890]

This story always hits me very hard as someone who is from a town only 20 minutes from Belfast. I thank God that no one on the motorway was injured. When I think of this flight I always remember the bravery of Graham Pearson, the formal Royal Marine who helped at the scene for three hours. If there's anything your videos have taught me it's to be glad that every effort is made to improve passenger safety to ensure that these accidents won't happen again.

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My dad and sister drove past where the plane came down on the M1 motorway less than 30 minutes before the crash, travelling back to the Midlands from my sister’s audition at The Royal College of Music in London earlier that day.

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I grew up in the Boeing neighborhoods of Washington state. When a large section of the operation relocated, I was sad. Starting to rethink that emotion.

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Glad you appreciate it, the details are important!

[@rokyo401]

This is some extreme tunnel-vision. In the footage from the flight simulator it looks like the instruments of the two engines are only like 15-25 cm apart. So, if the captain looked at the readings from the right-hand engine, the instruments for the left-hand engine wouldn't even be in his peripheral vision but in his *central* vision as well. How did he not notice the widely fluctuating needle on the left-hand instruments? 😳

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Passengers, especially those with aviation experience need to be more assertive if things don’t seem right. I am a private pilot and after sitting down in the window seat of a Dash 8 I noticed one of the engine cowl latches was sticking out at an angle obviously not latched properly. The engines had started, should I tell the Flight Attendant? Initially I was reluctant thinking I would draw attention to myself and what if I am wrong? I did inform the attendant and one of the pilots came and sat in my seat to see the latch. After a couple of minutes a spiel on the PA from the Pilot about safety not being compromised but they shut the engine down and got the latch re-engaged. This was the second flight of the day so the latch would have been missed in at least three inspections. Speak up if something seems wrong.

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Dude, your videos are getting better and better! Glad you did a video on this accident as it’s one of the most fascinating ones I’ve read about. Can you do Lauda Air Flight 004 one day? It’s one of the two most fascinating aircraft incidents I have ever read about and I would love to see your take on it!

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What's the 2nd one?

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@@NotTheRambo 2002 Uberlingen Mid Air Collision.

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@@KahanuErmeyas-Tulu oh, it was very similar to the 2001 near miss in Japan, JAL 958 and 907 I think an MD11 and a 747 came very close.

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When i saw the notification for this episode, I thought, I know all about this accident and what happened, nothing for me to learn here! Turns out, I made the same mistake the PIC made, assumed everything, suspected nothing! Well done. Another insightful well thought through episode 👏

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Glad you’ve been enjoying them! It’s worth going the extra mile to get to the root cause of these incidents

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Amazing graphics especially the engine fire and when the plane was on the motor highway 😍 well done 👍🏻 love your videos! 💚

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[@RP-16]

It’s astonishing to me that planes don’t have cameras facing engines and other important locations.

[@tek87]

I couldn't be expected in 1989 but now, definitely.

[@Zircuitz]

Doubt the trouble is worth it. It would just be another dusin items and systems on the plane to maintain. It adds a little extra weight and cost. And what is to say the cameras couldn't come loose and damage other vital components if it becomes separated from the plane in-flight? I think just good instrumentation and training is the key here.

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​@@Zircuitz There are hundreds of incidents where the pilots needed someone else to give them info from the windows. There are also dozens of incidents where the sensors were wrong. How come? Because sensors are connected by wires and wires melt, snap or short-circuit. Unlike the sensors, cameras are not wired directly to what they are observing.

[@desertstar223]

What are you talking about? The weight that cameras add would be insignificant. You know how small cameras are nowadays? Look at your cellphone. Airbus has outside cameras on the A350 and the A380, and they never dislodged. However the cameras are not aimed at the enigines. Why? I don't know.

[@RP-16]

@@Zircuitz bro what are you smoking. Planes are incredibly complex and adding cameras is a basic feature. Planes already have thousands of components. All cars nowadays add cameras and it’s only a few hundred for them. For a plane, say a few thousand. It’s a rounding error.

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It's the new saying in aviation school: "You either fly safe enough to retire or you die; ending up on Green Dot Aviation's channel".

[@marcelb3645]

Confirmation bias is very hard to overcome. One thing other pilots have done, is entering a hold to finish their checklists and reviews under less pressure. Unless the plane is on fire, that is one way to buy time and control the workload. Maybe that too, was introduced after this accident?

[@luxtayii3473]

Incredible vid as always, perfect graphics and all. You should frankly do LOT 5055, it's an incredibly interesting example of the consequences of a single engine fire.

[@wildside4822]

Great video GDA hope your training is going well pal 👍

[@xyesterday]

I can wholeheartedly understand the pilots frusturations with the dismissal as they should have been issued far more training than they received. However, they had multiple opportunities to properly diagnose the issue and right their wrongs. Their failure to do this and the way they acted on a hasty and false diagnoses is proof enough of a fair and valid dismissal in my opinion.

[@377343]

Pleased to see you mentioned the cause of the engine failure which precipitated the accident. Other reports of this accident sometimes fail to mentioned the route cause was a design flaw in a new engine. The more powerful version of the CFM56 fitted to the larger -400 variant of the 737 was the first development of an existing engine that was certified using computer modelling rather than traditional testing. There had already been a number of -400 engine failures before flight 92 crashed, which would have only added to the frustrations of the sacked crew. They were flying an aircraft with a fault Boeing and Snecma knew about.

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production quality has been amazing lately, great video!

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I have your videos on loop as background noise because your voice is so soothing. But I'm always glad to see a new video I can pay close attention to :D

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The animations really do get better and better!

[@ditzygypsy]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1084">18:04</a> “…not one of the passengers made a comment…”. Yeah. Because I wasn’t on that plane, lol. I wouldn’t even be able to stop myself from saying something (while I probably also wet my pants in sheer terror). 😂

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Me too! What kind of quiet and intimidated group of passengers was that? Sounds like the Soviet Union or China 🙄🙄

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[@100Stratusfiedx]

The short flights always make me sad. An hour is basically no time at all and people lose their lives

[@geechisuede98]

The more videos I watch I'm more amazed about how much these pilots have to remember. I know there's checklists but still.

[@_FaithHopeLOVE]

I know! My opinion about pilots and their profession has changed dramatically! Now I regard them so much respect, in my eyes they’re truly the greatest scientists of this world. I had no idea how complicated their job is, actually. Wow! And even the ATCs! When they speak on the radio, it sounds worse than Chinese to me. Even in Chinese I understand certain words… 😮

[@_Shadoh_]

Crazy that if the captain had just asked the cabin supervisor one simple question nobody would've had to die. What a massive f-up by these pilots. They had so many opportunities. Sickening.

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Are you a Boeing employee " blame the Pilots" ??

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@@michaelshore2300Cope and seethe buddy, 99% of all aircraft accidents/incidents are caused by pilots. Cope

[@ColinMcLaughlin-f8y]

Lesson learned from the crash of BD092: don’t shut down the wrong engine. Unfortunately, 26 years later, the pilots of TNA235 (TransAsia 235) shut down the wrong engine after the left one flamed out. Mistakes cost lives

[@roryoconnor1411]

I’m sorry but this mistake is unacceptable regardless of training. There are two panels for both engines with left and right on each panel. It should be irrelevant whether they saw the vibration instrument when all other instruments on the other panel were clearly showing it was the left engine. Incomprehensible to me.

[@davebarclay4429]

There is only one set of engine instruments between the pilots although it is split into two panels, this is clearly shown in the video. Hunt and McClelland never denied that they got it wrong but they were scapegoats for inadequate training and penny-pinching by British Midland. McClelland later sued British Midland for unfair dismissal and they settled out of court.

[@michaelp4834]

Another outstanding video! It is appalling that Boeing proffered pilots did not need any advanced training on that 737 but rather "only a few hours in a classroom and a pamphlet." That's a timeshare pitch without the free gift, and not something on which you risk the lives of others! What a disgrace!

[@LeeStewart]

Irrespective of the crash, investigators tested the strength of the seats as many had been dislodged during the crash. What they uncovered changed aviation safety forever.

[@benwiddowson82]

I live less than a mile from the crash site and I've been waiting for you to hopefully cover this crash. Many of the rescue services who helped still remember this as if it were yesterday. Thank you for giving this accident the coverage it deserved.

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Never clicked on anything so fast. Thank you SO much for your fantastic videos.

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Thank you for continuing giving us videos! Hope all is well !

[@hawaiiflowers7066]

I’ve watched many of the videos of airplane issues whether it lands safely or ends up in a crash. I always had a fear flying, but after watching these videos for over a year I got back as a passenger and have flown over 50,000 miles since February. Two thumbs up.

[@elianmusic7452]

Love all of your videos man. Somehow calming, informative, and (hate to admit this) entertaining. The macabre and what not. But excellent job on your re-creations of these horrible incidents. I hope no one has to ever suffer a plane accident again. Top 3 most unfortunate ways to go for me. Terrible

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All I got from that sponsor is that you’re learning on the PA-28, good man! A proper plane ;)

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That intro zoom was so well done

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[@amazer747]

I noted that ATC would, without knowing, interrupt the crew at the most inappropriate time. If Aviate, Navigate, Communicate is applied, can a crew in such a situation inform ATC that they are extremely busy and get all other traffic out of their way and keep comms to a minimum? It would appear that the Aviate priority was surrended to Communicate.

[@YoloMenace001]

I was waiting so long for this one

[@lukeyisaverage]

It's always a good day when Green Dot Aviation uploads!!

[@CharlieButterfieldBerridge]

Not the most ideal video recommendation to settle nerves the day I fly into East Midlands. Great video 👏.

[@btnbiker]

I thought they had closed East Midlands

[@scotsman1471]

It’s incredible to me that the cabin crew member didn’t even think to mention the left engine being on fire 🤯 just even as a casual off hand remark

[@conors4430]

For the first time in my life, I was travelling from Sydney to Dublin. I went from an airbus A380, onto a boeing dreamliner, and had a minute of trepidation about stepping on the Dreamliner. I’ve been flying my whole life as a passenger, and never once thought anything like this.

[@TheHunter2]

Some people are quick to judge the pilot's mistakes here. I work as a software engineer, I sit behind a safe desk the entire day pushing code to a website and if something fails, no lives are endangered just some nuisance with customers and users complaining and sending me email to fix. And yet, when I have to fix a bug under pressure, despite of my long experience, my brain plays trick on me and I commit basic mistakes that only worse the situations, so that's why I never fix bugs under high pressure. I take the time. Pilots don't have that option and the amount of stress and pressure they are into a moment like that I cannot even imagine. Easy to judge when you're sitting in the comfort of your home, already knowing before-hand what the problem is because of the narrative you're getting from the story. The pilot has been used to a previous version of the aircraft for years where he knows the air comes from the right engine and he's got no training that would feed his brain with the important info that this scenario now has changed. I can not blame him for using his experience to make that decision in a moment where he needs to act quick. I blame the ones on top of the chain that want to make the most profit and save money by cutting costs on something so crucial like pilot training

[@wintercame]

💯 Well said.

[@glamdolly30]

Fascinating documentary - great storytelling, visuals and analysis. Bravo @GreenDotAviation! This disaster features many familiar tropes of human error - confirmation bias, 'never assume', wrong priorities, etc. No question the two pilots failures over an extended period were shocking. But inadequate training was obviously a major underlying factor. Plus of course, a little bad luck thrown into the mix. All it may have taken to avert disaster was an air steward commenting to the pilots they'd seen enormous flames coming from the left, not the right engine. I find it staggering commercial aircraft instrument panels were built that did not 100% clearly and unambiguously identify which engine was on fire - no pilot analysis or calculation necessary! Surely an engine fire is a classic, major emergency which the instruments should accurately identify and locate to the pilots, loud and clear? I'm sure every passenger who ever boarded a commercial flight would assume that were the case. It is a measure of the God-like status of airline Captains/pilots that neither the passengers nor crew were willing to seriously consider Capt Hunt had made a mistake/identified the wrong engine as the stricken one, or inform him of that possibility. If they had, all those lives might just have been saved.

[@Spacepokem]

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I've just found your channel, and this entire day, I've just been listening to these while I work. Your production is truly amazing. Keep up the good work. Love from South Africa 🇿🇦

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[@Nature_guurrll]

I understand the design flaw & need for increased education for the pilots, but I still don’t understand how they inadvertently shut down the wrong engine. I love your videos!!

[@glamdolly30]

Agreed, it's baffling that not one but two men missed so many chances to realise their mistake and avert disaster. Two points - first, in real time we are likely talking about a very short period, maybe less than 20 minutes. Second - I have to wonder if the personality of Captain Hunt played a role in the tragedy? Was he one of those domineering, difficult Captains, colleagues struggled to confront, or even communicate with?

[@SirFakey]

The editing alone must've taken so much time. Keep up the good work!

[@centrallyintelligentagency]

God, the production value is so good. Tuned in starting with MH370 and then stayed…I love your work!

[@sternwardboss]

Weirdly enough these videos have helped my fear of flying.

[@dennispeeters8976]

You have epically elevated the quality of the content again, nice work on the sleek intro and extra graphics!!

[@monstie2795]

One of my favorite channels on youtube right now

[@wildberrygarden]

Mine too! It's very gripping. Not sure how I'll ever get on a plane again though...

[@monstie2795]

@@wildberrygarden yeah I love aviation. I was watching one of his videos yesterday at the gate 10 min before I had to board.

[@wildberrygarden]

@@monstie2795 🫣

[@JM87Fly]

One thing that jumped out to me is that Hunt’s decision to take over hand-flying from McClelland might have been driven by CRM. In modern jet flight decks we are cautious of confirmation bias and deference-based decisions. It makes sense for a captain to have an idea of what they think the issue is, but want to seek input from the FO before deciding on a course of action. I can imagine Hunt deciding to take over hand-flying from McClelland, so the latter could focus his attention entirely on the engine instruments and provide the most accurate assessment possible to confirm or contradict Hunt’s own suspicions. Unfortunately in this case they both got it horribly wrong, but I can see the logic in the decision to take over from McClelland (at least temporarily) in the early stages of the situation.

[@Desalater2]

or could he not have set it on auto pilot and looked at the dials for 3 seconds?

[@JM87Fly]

@@Desalater2 quite possibly. I wasn’t in his head so I can’t say why he didn’t immediately engage the autopilot. On the NG you need to be on (or near) the flight directors, not applying force to the controls and not trimming to engage the autopilot, so perhaps it was too difficult or impractical to engage the AP in that moment. It’s not exactly a 3 second process to diagnose an engine malfunction, generally quite methodical. It’s a shame they got it wrong, which sadly seems to be a confluence of pilot error and inadequate differences training.

[@jinxedthings5394]

I had no interest in planes at all until accidentally coming across your videos. You make these stories so interesting and detailed. I thoroughly enjoy watching them.

[@dontbenosey1]

I worked in the supply chain for a company making switch components. We had many an inspection in the aftermath of this accident. They found nothing wrong at our end.

[@wv_]

Even when studying multi engine on helicopters this incident is really driven home

[@ryleighsweet2375]

As a passenger, my assumption would've been that the discrepancy about the engine was a house right vs. stage right kind of thing

[@RocRailfan]

-2 seconds and no comments? Bro climbed off… smh

[@seanpellegrino2989]

I commented faster than the speed of sound, but my internet connection was lagging.

[@coolinmac]

Nice to see Boeing hasn’t changed

[@saumanka]

Ever since watching your video regarding My 370 ,I have watched probably all videos that you have posted thus far because it compelled me to do so. But your video of Mh 370 stands head and shoulders above the rest. And one more thing I noticed is that in rest of these videos you seem to hurry a bit while narrating and your voice is subdued like you are not going the full throttle but in that video every part of it was narrated and carried out with the 'utmost precision' It was like a thrilling detective story narrated by someone with an absolutely brilliant voice .

[@TheUrantia001]

agreed there sounds too rushed

[@doobat708]

Wow, yes, the dismissal of both pilots was grossly unfair, the Captain was absolutely right - while the pilots' errors were a contributing factor, many of those were made due to lack of training. The training was lacking because both the airline and Boeing wanted to cut costs. That IS a systemic issue in the industry.

[@dynasty0019]

The FO later resumed flying for another airline.

[@mateimoraru2598]

Would you be doing the Tarom incident, the one that happened jn Romania ? Absolutely love your videos your getting better by the video

[@GreenDotAviation]

Definitely, I'll be covering it at some point

[@jaybro3713]

A small look through the windows could easily avoided this accident.

[@stephenholland5930]

From the flight deck? You can't see the engines from the flight deck.

[@pateralus9]

Me: Ooh a new GDA video! *instantly downloads to listen on my way to work, since the video length is basically perfect for the trip* So satisfying, now I can't wait for my weekend to end so I can listen on my way in

[@CrimeApexOfficial]

My favorite Aviation KZbin channel! The animations almost feel like as if its like watching a movie

[@ferrencebeeb]

Hmm, i think the engine number of each dial associated with that engine should be written at yhe edge of the dial - instead of using the position of a dial relative to another dial to identify which engine its linked to. In the heat of the moment its too important to get the right info. I know adding more info makes things more messy, but just single number (1, 2 etc) wouldn't add too much clutter i dont think.

[@Zidzods]

My grandad was on this plane a week before the incident. They actually were delayed taking off due to engine problems. Sad how close they got to the runway.