Sidney Crosby A Top-5 Player Of ALL-TIME!?

Is Sidney Crosby a top player of all-time? Spittin' Chiclets breaks it down on the latest episode.
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[@brentbates5057]

Sid top 5 no question. As the one guy mentioned golden goal 2 time reigning Olympic champ, world cup, world jr, 3 Stanley's. Art ross, Richard multiple times. CENTERMAN. LEADER. TWO WAY player. And persevered through targeted head shots THROUGHOUT his career, even last year with Trouba DEF intentionally elbowing him in the head. Again. Niskanen crosscheck, Steckel head check in 2011 winter classic. It goes on. Broken jaw. Etc etc etc.

[@MacAttack1776]

RA’s hate for the pens is getting out of hand

[@timmybloks2848]

Ra is always wrong

[@AlexQC9]

93 pts at 35 last season..he's still up there..crazy

[@tylerjerabek723]

Anyone that says Sid’s not top 5 has no idea what they’re talking about…if he doesn’t get hurt I think he’s already pushing for top 3 with a lot left in the tank

[@Billybob-eo5vf]

Same could be said for jagr though.

[@tylerjerabek723]

@@Billybob-eo5vf Lemieux as well….if he doesn’t miss as much time as he did he probably puts a lot of pressure on Gretzky for #1. Injuries are obviously apart of the game and you just kinda have to deal with it but it’s interesting to think about how we’re talking about Crosby if he doesn’t miss so much time. I personally think he’d handily be top 3

[@barryelias2871]

With the amount of games he's missed possibly they'd have another cup but who's to say, just saying. But yeah he'd be definitely top 3 for your reasoning

[@emmittmatthews8636]

@@Billybob-eo5vf Jagr couldn't play defense, wasn't a great leader or all around player. Sid much> then Jagr, and I love Jags.

[@Billybob-eo5vf]

@@emmittmatthews8636 L

[@layneinchains4047]

As a Rangers fan Crosby is definitely top 5!!

[@John_DeFelice]

Appreciate that especially considering your fan base is usually so full of it

[@layneinchains4047]

@@John_DeFelice - I hear you brother but there is no denying that Sid is one of the best to ever do it. Anyone who can’t admit that no matter what team they root for either don’t know anything about hockey or are just to dumb and prideful lol! And this coming from a born and bred NY’r!

[@limegreenpatato]

Don't forget he saved the penguins. If there's no sid, the penguins don't exist in pittsburgh anymore

[@mike-mz6yz]

sorry thats just not true. Mario was never going to move them, and they already had Geno who would have been the franchise star. Sid helped for sure, but Mario is the reason they got a new arena and stayed in Pitt. Sid helped the franchise really cement itself, but if there was any other owner then Sid would be like KD for Seattle. The great young player you saw for a year before your team moved.

[@CofRed403]

Personally I think that the "Greatest of All-Time" rankings are kind of a wash because the game has changed so much over the last decade or two. It's almost unfair to compare guys like Sid and Ovi to guys like Gretzky and Orr because the game is so different to what it was like in the pre-2000's era. That being said, in the spirit of playing along, I think when it's all said and done and Sid hangs up the skates, he'll be considered Top 5 by most if not all (unbiased) people.

[@anul6801]

Exactly. You cant take Lemieux or Gretzky or Yzerman from the 88-89 season and expect them to play 25.5 to 26 min a game like they did back then.

[@ryanrae6026]

Sid and Ovi excell in past, Orr would still be good today. Unfortunately Gretz might be wherever the Oilers AHL team is in this era, assuming the WHA still existed to start in today.

[@geno7347]

For sure Top 5

[@muskytribe7911]

I'm a nobody but if you don't have Crosby in your top 5 all time. You have a grudge against him lol

[@adm5163]

He's minimum top 10, just like Ovi. It all depends how you rank them. But in my opinion he's top 5

[@Billybob-eo5vf]

Jagr’s gotta be 5th.

[@bjorncarlgren710]

What he did in his era is remarkable! Jagr is a star but mostly played in a time when defense couldn't skate backwards goalie pads were shin pads. Jagr didn't do anything after he left pittsburgh. Just played for ever and racked up points. Sid is still a star and aint done yet!

[@lannon4prez]

@@bjorncarlgren710 dude he played against defenceman like ray bourque, brian leetch, phil housley, paul coffee.. against goalies like patrick roy, ed belfour, grant fuhr.. like how do people just immediately discredit the past in these debates??

[@bjorncarlgren710]

@@lannon4prez Jagr was may favorite player as a kid. He was a beast but crosby is a better player. Hands down. Who played in a much harder to score era! Jagr didn't do shit after he left the pens. One 100plus point season outta 15 no cups 1 ted lindsey award..... He just played forever and stacked points. Sid is like 592 games played behind Jagr and 469 points behind. Sid stays healthy he'll catch Jagr and give wayne a run for his money for the too spot. What crosby has done is nothing short of remarkable and he is still KILLING IT over a point per game his entire career.

[@lannon4prez]

@@bjorncarlgren710 he is in no way, shape, or form in a position to catch jagr or give gretzky a run for his money.

[@zachbrierley776]

No one will ever get numbers like Gretz and Lemieux, and a BUNCH of guys got before the 2000s, it's simply not possible anymore. Goalies were so easy to score on and players didn't train nearly as hard as they do today, that's why these list are so stupid. Sid is easily top 5, he'd be putting up numbers similar to Lemieux if he was part of that era.

[@dawsonfarrell3950]

Sid is top 5 no question. With how hard the league is now and he is still kicking ass, no Question TOP 5!

[@AldShotFirst]

If you look at adjusted stats, i think Crosby and Forsberg are right there. And if you throw stats out the window and go by the eye test, both players would have dominated in the 80's.

[@michaelmcchesney6904]

Top 5 💯

[@bradenthacker6226]

No way Ovi is that high on the list. Sure he can score goals, but it's about playmaking for me.

[@bradenthacker6226]

@ThisIsALongDrive exactly man. We won Stanley cups with mediocre lines lol

[@bignico05]

You have to start making a case for Ovechkin. I mean he’s potentially going to have the record for most goals in NHL history. That will make him the greatest there ever was on the most important aspect of the game. Furthermore, he’s won the Calder trophy over Sid, 9 rocket Richard trophies, 3 hart trophies, 3 Ted lindsay trophies, an art Ross trophy, a Stanley cup & the conn smythe trophy. Like cmon, what more does a player need to accomplish individually. Don’t get me wrong, Sid is a fantastic player, top 10 for sure. However, if we base it solely on the individual and his personal career, I don’t see how we still have Sid over Ovechkin. At this point, the two extra cups and the gold medal over a 18+ year period, shouldn’t hold as much merit. With that mentality, Jean Beliveau should be the greatest player ever and Dryden should be the greatest goalie ever. Not many will agree right? If Ovechkin was Canadian, he would be the golden boy. Instead, he was criticized for most of his early career in the North American media and I feel like that hurt his legacy a tad. I’m sure in the Russian media he wasn’t criticized as much and on their lists they have him above Crosby.

[@bignico05]

@ThisIsALongDrive I kindly disagree with you. Team success shouldn’t be more relevant than personal stats when discussing the greatest PLAYERS of all time. Look at McDavid, he’s having the best season he’s ever had this year and the oilers might not even make the playoffs. Does that mean he’s not the best in the world right now? Moreover, how were the caps loses in the playoffs largely Ovechkin’s fault? In 33 less playoff games, Ovi has more goals than Crosby. He also has more playoff goals & points than Patrick Kane & Jonathan Toews, and those guys have 3 cups also. Weird eh? Where the early penguins exits Crosby’s fault? Is the penguins recent struggles and subpar record this year Crosby’s fault? They’ve only won 3 games in their last 10. Should we talk about that? Furthermore, saying Ovi doesn’t make players around him better is just silly. Look at Tom Wilson last year playing on the same line. Career numbers! Would he have those same numbers playing on the first line of the Montreal Canadiens? I doubt it. Unfortunately, since Ovechkin isn’t North American, the media here, Canada and the US, has depicted him negatively saying he’s not a winner, he’s selfish, can’t be coached... you name it for so long and that weighs heavily on people’s minds instead of giving him his well deserved dues. I guarantee you that his teammates don’t feel the same way. I guarantee you that in the Russian media they rank him in the top 5. It is what it is.

[@bignico05]

@ThisIsALongDrive Let’s agree to disagree. At the end of the day, there’s no factual ranking, just personal opinions. At this point in time, my opinion is that Ovechkin had a better career. They’re both phenomenal players, but Ovechkin is chasing history. If he passes Gretzky, that will be one of the top moments in NHL history. The record will be cemented forever and if it stands for over 50 years, he will be remembered for it. No recent bias, no excuse, Ovechkin will be talked about as the greatest goal scorer. While Crosby, long in to the future, will have no records to be remembered by, recent bias will no longer be in affect and all his accomplishments, despite being great, won’t be talked about. Unless you’re a huge fan, nobody will be talking about his gold medal or one of the Stanley cups he won 60 years ago. If you’re Russian, German, Sweden, or a Detroit fan and so on, you’re not going to rank Crosby’s moments as top 5 NHL HISTORY moments. Ovechkin, whether you’re Canadian, Finnish... you have to accept he’s number 1 of all time and that that moment is going down in history. Overall, I think it’s a better career to have, personally speaking.

[@bignico05]

@ThisIsALongDrive I enjoyed our debate/discussion. All the best to you in this new year

[@mpuchar5003]

Crosby is definitely top 10, not sure i’d put him in the top 5 though. Jagr in his prime was better and so was Mike Bossy

[@hellofalife9495]

Jagr in his prime couldn't defend a pylon Crosby was shutting down top lines night in and night out. Bossy wasn't even better than Ovi nevermind Crosby, Bossy played in the highest scoring era ever his numbers are inflated. Bossy never won a Hart and only managed to win a Smythe for 1/4 cups

[@anul6801]

Crosby was no Zetterberg.

[@TheRFB420]

How is Mark Messier not even in this discussion? 3rd most points all time; 500+ goals; 6 cups and the only player to captain 2 different cup winning franchises. Not to mention he won 2 without Gretzky (1 in Edmonton) and Gretz never won again without Mess. Just sayin 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@windjunky]

Good point. Didn’t even think of Messier

[@limegreenpatato]

Facts

[@TheDjcorey19]

Absolutely. Ahead of Sid on my list

[@ericmyers3561]

solid point

[@hellofalife9495]

Messier played in the 80's (the easiest scoring era) on the greatest offensive team ever and was struggling to put up 100 points for most of it, literally the only thing Messier has on Crosby is cups and he won 4 of them with greatest player of all time and possibly team ever. Crosby is miles ahead as an individual player

[@bordy217]

I don't want to hear about how many cups a bunch of old Canadiens won while there were only 6 teams in the league.

[@maxthomas7508]

99, 66, Sid, Howe, Orr

[@jackoakes1998]

Yes he is

[@HeyBroLetsParty]

Tough pill to swallow for some people. Definitely top 5

[@JayCrosby32]

Top 5 for sure

[@MrMac-zk5tv]

People sleep on Guy LaFluer

[@user-bt7fo5ox4h]

Mark Messier/Jean Béliveau/ Maurice Richard to name a few

[@jtlhrt7774]

At number 5 for me... Gretzky,Lemieux, Orr, Roy,Crosby

[@joeyfreitas1942]

How do you not mention Maurice Richard over some of these other guys.

[@bjorncarlgren710]

Sid is def 5 and CLIMBING. He aint done yet! Let's Go Pens!

[@claude-pn6cx]

You gotta put Ovi as one of the best hitters of all time. Disagree? Check out his hit highlights and the impact those hits made

[@jmarx3943]

Tip 10, definitely. Top 5? You can make the argument. Not in my opinion, but it's absurd to not have him in the discussion.

[@almVancouver]

He's in the convo, but really, there's been some great players in various eras.

[@evanbrown2594]

He was on pace to put up 130-140 points in a season when the guy who won only had 104 pts. Played with borderline AHL talent and he managed to come back after many people though he was done. If has another season like this one at 36 top 5 for sure. Very excited to see potentially see Crosby McDavid and Bedard play together someday.

[@chrismauro8393]

Crosby is top 5 of all time. I do think need to mention Brodeur and Roy for the potential names though

[@joshhaczkewicz3447]

Impossible to compare

[@jamespaul9889]

Wayne, Howe, Orr, Crosby, and the Jagr or Mario.

[@steveskrtich1129]

Mike Bossy gets disrespected in these discussions given his shorter career, but Bobby Orr played less games, so why is he never considered for the top 5? We're getting into a bit of a generational bias when it comes to these things as well given the names you guys mentioned. They were all from your era growing up. You almost need a top 5 for every "era" or 25 year-ish window.

[@mpuchar5003]

He’s in my top 5

[@johnnytweed]

Mike Bossy scored a lot of goals. Bobby Orr changed the way the game is played. That’s why.

[@gregorypalmer4909]

Bc Orr is the greatest defenseman of all-time

[@hellofalife9495]

Orr won 8 straight Norris, 3 Harts, 2 Art Ross and 2 cups with both Smythes, Bossy never won a single Hart and only won a Smythe for 1/4 of his cups. He was a great player but he doesn't even belong in the top 10

[@lannon4prez]

@@gregorypalmer4909 no he isn’t. He was an innovator for sure. And a terrific defensemen. But there are guys who came after him that are well within the skill level of being comparable or better than orr.

[@urosjaki]

Agree 5th best

[@TheHohojoe]

1. Gretzky 2. Orr 3. Howe 4. Crosby 5. Mario

[@bordy217]

lol Mario at 5 is outlandish.

[@emmittmatthews8636]

My top 50: (Don't yell at me! You try it, your head will explode. Lol) 1)Gretzky 2)Lemieux 3)Orr 4)Howe 5)Crosby 6)Messier 7)Lidstrom 8)Yzerman 9)Ovechkin 10)Jagr 11)Hasek 12)M. Richard 13)Harvey 14)Bossy 15)Roy 16)Esposito 17)Bobby Hull 18)Sawchuk 19)Trottier 20)Bourque 21)McDavid ⬆️ 22)Dryden 23)Sakic 24)Robinson 25)M. Dionne 26)D. Potvin 27)Brodeur 28)Lafleur 29)Plante 30)Beliveau 31)Chelios 32)Coffey 33)Peter Stastny 34)Brad Park 35)Brett Hull 36)Francis 37)Tim Horton 38)S. Stevens 39)Glen Hall 40)Jari Kurri 41)Shanahan 42)Makita 43)Selanne 44)H. Richard 45)Malkin 46)S. Niedermayer 47)P. Bure 48)Robitaille 49)P. Kane 50)G. Perreault

[@jamessimon3433]

He also had to follow Mario. Literally. Also like Mario had to overcome terrible health problems. No question to me hes in there but Im a Pens fan for years so make of that what you will.

[@sameyler9827]

100% in top 5

[@willie9397]

He is most definitely top 5, without a doubt.

[@Chillin24Seven]

Gretzky, Lemieux, Orr, Howe, Messier, Crosby,

[@hellofalife9495]

Messier doesn't belong with these guys, these comments have taught me he's the most overrated player ever. Guy was struggling to put up 100 points in the highest scoring era in NHL history on the best offensive team ever

[@moosehockey0989]

My top 10ish: Gretzky Lemieux Orr Howe Crosby Ovechkin Jagr Yzerman Richard Lidstrom Messier Lafleur Brett Hull Lmk if im forgetting anybody i shouldnt be forgetting!

[@TG-nhl]

ray bourque, jean beliveau

[@moosehockey0989]

@@TG-nhl I mean great players, but id say interchangeable with any of the bottom players on my list or just barely off the list

[@chrislaverick6413]

Mcdavid if he continues his dominance

[@nicholascook268]

Joe Sakic

[@moosehockey0989]

@@chrislaverick6413 absolutely.

[@John_DeFelice]

It’s undeniable he’s top 5 as whit said you get carpal tunnel scrolling through his Wikipedia page

[@RazrSharpProductions]

Everyone seems to forget Jagr won 5 Art Ross Trophies. FIVE

[@jtlhrt7774]

He is direspected for sure never gets mentioned in these lists

[@anul6801]

Hasek is in my top 1

[@kylec10]

Marcel Dionne always overlooked since he never won a cup, but 1,771 points in 1,348 games on some mostly crap Kings teams shows how good he was.

[@willolmstead2227]

IMO..... Rocket Richard!

[@philliesfan1flyeaglesfly330]

Bryan Trottier was better then Stevie Y and Sakic.

[@johnnytweed]

Stevie Y and Burnaby Joe are not top 10

[@BAKEJUNTZ]

Kopitar ?

[@mikebones4428]

Gretz Orr Howe Lemieux richard are better. And a few others im sure. But if Crosby plays another 3 to 5 years and a couple deep playoff runs and gets his point total in the top 5 all time he could crack top 5 of all time.

[@moosehockey0989]

Not Richard in my opinion.

[@leokozsuch3713]

Yep sid top 5

[@jz427_19]

Gretzky Lemieux Orr Crosby Hasek Bourque Howe Ovechkin Sakic Lindstrom That’s the list. However my personal bias Lemieux is #1 when you look at his numbers on per game average is pretty much tied with Gretzky. Unfortunate do to his health. Also if McDavid can manage to win a couple cups he can break top 10. Howe is #7, great player but I think people put him high on list due to the history of him an hockey. His stats were on par and worse than many players especially in an area that saw scoring of 8 goals on average a game with few teams in league. You also need to adjust for skill level of nhl when making a top 10 list. Can’t keep dinosaurs in top 10 forever

[@TheDjcorey19]

Somehow you forgot Messier too

[@RazrSharpProductions]

Where's Jagr

[@lannon4prez]

Hasek is better than roy? I fucking loathe the havs and i wouldn’t hesitate to say roy is the greatest goalie of all time.

[@johnnytweed]

Where’s Jagr? Howe-like numbers and longevity, with a trophy case and highlight reel that puts him up there.

[@perdst]

The Rocket

[@ZeroMajor01]

Lindstrom is a top 10 player.

[@jordanstreib3898]

100% top 5 Mcdavid will be there or top 10 if he wins a cup. Mathews What about messier?

[@ericmyers3561]

McDavid will pass Crosby if he ever does win a cup

[@johnnytweed]

it’ll take a lot more than “a” cup.

[@j.s3300]

@@johnnytweed Thats down to teammates and not him

[@johnnytweed]

@@j.s3300 agreed, circumstances play a major role in a player’s legacy. Take Lemieux for example, if it was him on the Oilers instead of Gretzky, nobody would question that Mario was the greatest player of all-time, and by a wide margin.

[@CallsignJoNay]

Hasek, Lidstrom, two more names that come to mind for top 5. Crosby could be in there too, but there's a lot of players I can think of that would be neck and neck for a top 5 spot.

[@DonMaximo]

Lemieux Gretzky Jagr The next 7 are any combination of Hasek Roy Brodeur Lidstrom Bourque Sakic Yzerman Crosby Ovi Orr Messier Howe Soon to be McDavid Richard Lafleur Bossy

[@johnnytweed]

40 year Pens fan here. Crosby has the edge over Jagr, trust me. Whatever spot you’ve got Jagr in, put Sid one spot above him.

[@brownbagjohnson]

1. Lemieux 2. Gretzky 3. Orr 4. Jagr 5. Howe 6. Crosby 7. Yzerman 8. Ovechkin 9. Lafleur 10. Federov

[@jbreezy9443]

federov top 10

[@hellofalife9495]

Not even close to be honest

[@dustinjones1907]

If Sid isn't number 5, then it's Lidstrom. I don't care, fight me.

[@ericmyers3561]

Messier is taking 5th spot.

[@hellofalife9495]

Messier is not, guy was barely putting up 100 points in the highest scoring era in NHL history

[@justinvandenberg3407]

You guys don't know shat about hockey history. Jean Beliveau is so far ahead of Yzerman it is absurd, and he's ahead of Sid still, as well.

[@michaelthompson6800]

yes let’s go penguins 🐧

[@split_the_bill]

Yeah Mark Messier should be in discussion. But what about Mario Lemieux. Should be at least brought up

[@sjferris1]

Lemieux was in the undeniable top 3 Whit started with

[@CallsignJoNay]

Pay attention. Everyone knows he's top-3 of all time, hands down.

[@split_the_bill]

@@sjferris1 lol oops. Ear muffs were on

[@mastershifu456]

There is a few old timers that are more deserving imo (Richard, Lafleur, Beliveau). Sid is right up there tough!

[@turkturkleton2671]

Sid is everything LeBron was supposed to be

[@marclafrance3816]

How can you not even mention dany heatley?

[@johnnytweed]

He’s a fuckin’ all-star, at best.

[@lannon4prez]

Lol what?

[@petervandixhoorn8407]

Ovi haters

[@brettsmith5903]

Crosby being a top 5 player all time is a joke where the hell is Mike bossy? 3rd quickest to 900 points 9 50 goal seasons . Crosby is a joke.

[@user-pr2qw5ep3o]

Of course he 's top five, the man missed 200 games in! His!prime!,from a dirty hit,he elevates the whole team, whole league, does his own fighting, smartest in the league. The other top players had protection for christ sake, OV one of the dirtiest players. Slashed SID in back of the head, across the hand. Ov not even close

[@split_the_bill]

If Ovi breaks the goals record I think you have to give him the edge over Sid. Goals are more valuable than assists. Whole point of the game is to score more goals. Goals don’t get counted as more Valuable, but they should. Especially because each goal can have 2 assists. Secondary assist === Goal ?? Questionable

[@Big_Mac6]

Lol nah

[@DonMaximo]

If you're creating opportunities for your linemates to score goals instead , that can't be overlooked. Sure Ovi scored more goals but Sid got more points in fewer games and won more ultimate prizes than Ovi by being the better overall player. 3 cups + 1 gold medal > 1 cup. Ovi scores 2-3 goals, Crosby gets his team to score to score 3-4 goals. Both generational players but Sid is the better player overall.

[@split_the_bill]

@@Big_Mac6 lol good point 🙈

[@split_the_bill]

@@DonMaximo good counter argument. I still think , especially if Ovi breaks the goals record, neither will have a unanimously better career.

[@DonMaximo]

@@split_the_bill appreciate the civil conversation 🙏 I heard an interesting conversation regarding ovi vs sid. If Ovi breaks Gretzkys record, you could easily argue hes had the better CAREER. He'll forever be known as the greatest goal score where as Crosby will never be seen as better than lemieux or gretzky. However you can than argue that Crosby was the better player however. It certainly is a very interesting n divisive debate. Happy holidays bud

[@CaptainCanada92]

I'd give Crosby top 10. But Messier and Jager are in my top 5 above him.

[@hellofalife9495]

The only thing Messier has on Crosby is cups and he won 4 of them with the greatest player to ever play

[@johnnytweed]

40 year Pens fan here. Crosby has the edge over Jagr, trust me. Whatever spot you’ve got Jagr in, put Sid one spot above him.

[@malkinmalone]

Jagr was more dominant than Crosby, ovechkin or yzerman. He flat out took over games and dictated the play when he was on the ice. He won art ross trohy’s while Lemieux and Gretzky were still in the league. Has to be higher rated in the top 5

[@hellofalife9495]

Yeah Sidney Crosby definitely didn't completely take over games and dictate play in his prime lmao. Jagr was useless defensively and wasn't any better than Crosby offensively

[@malkinmalone]

@@hellofalife9495 jagr had 4 seasons over 120 points. Crosby had one. Jagr had 6 40 goal seasons and crosby had 2. Jagr had 5 art ross crosby had 2. Jagr had 3 50 goal seasons crosby had one. Jagr played in russia for 4 seasons in his 30’s and still has 200 more goals than crosby. If he had played in the US those years he would have 300 more. Should i keep going or do you understand how misinformed you are?

[@johnnytweed]

Yo, at no point in human history was Jagr ever a better player than Mario. More points some seasons, sure, because way more games played. That is THE ONLY reason.

[@hellofalife9495]

@@malkinmalone Yeah Jagr didn’t miss his 3 prime seasons because of a concussion and a lockout/broken jaw, you would be looking at 4 120 point Sid seasons as well with better luck. Jagr did do everything your saying I watched his entire Penguins tenure I’m aware but Crosby still had a better point per game average from 18-35 lmao Jagr couldn’t defend a pylon and Crosby won us back to back cups by shutting down teams top lines night in and night out, Crosby is the superior player

[@simontardif4827]

Messier ?

[@hellofalife9495]

Doesn't belong

[@jacoblamb3535]

Orr, Howe, Mario, Gretz, Stevie Y Ovi cracks the top 5 before Sid

[@justinwillness3162]

ovi🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@tjshat5635]

LOL... OVI.... 🤣

[@rnonty]

ovie is definitely the best goal scorer, but he is not a better player than sid, ainec. like whit said, sid currently has 4 more points than ovie does, all time, in 168 less games played. he is 7th all time in ppg - ovie is 29th! he's carried his team to 16 straight playoff berths, and counting. 3 cups. 2 Olympic golds, scoring the OT gwg in 2010... ovie will go down as the greatest goal scorer, ever, but he is definitely not a better player than crosby.

[@Mcgregor22]

You’re out of ur damn mind lol

[@johnnytweed]

Jesus, 10 years after Sid left Ovi in his rear view mirror, and some people still think Ovi over Sid. And I’m a big Ovi fan, but come the fuck on, dig the shit outta your eyes. 😂

[@skolblues]

Connor Gretz Sid Lemeiux Orr

[@lannon4prez]

Mcdavid is better than gretzky? Interesting. You might be jumping the gun a little bit.

[@alimatt9685]

Crosby kinda sucks tbh I’m better and I was on A

[@lancemilliken9078]

Good point

[@VichyAlways]

Easily top 5. And he isn't 5 or 4

[@lannon4prez]

Joe sakic anyone? Sid is really great. But top 5 i dunno.. top 7 maybe. Sakic, yserman… i dunno

[@hellofalife9495]

Crosby clears both Sakic and Yzerman with ease

[@lannon4prez]

@@hellofalife9495 in what category? Not points. Not unvariables. Certainly they’re comparable in leadership qualities. And definately not “with ease”. Sakic had unmatched skill. It’s easy to say sid is top 5 when you can only go back and watch highlights. But there was a ton of great players in the 90’s that could easily steal a top 5 spot.

[@hellofalife9495]

@@lannon4prez Crosby has accomplished much more than both individually and has more cups than Sakic and the same amount as Yzerman while having 2 Conn Smythes they have one each. Crosby has more playoff points in basically the same amount of games as both, despite playing in a lower scoring league. He’s also the better offensive player than both and will undoubtedly pass up Sakic in points and possibly Yzerman despite missing the absolute best years of his career to concussions. Crosby’s gone 17 straight years of being a point per game player and it’s almost guaranteed he’ll finish his 18th above point per game. Only Gretzky will have more with 19, Gordie Howe is the only other player with 17.

[@lannon4prez]

@@hellofalife9495 both sakic and yserman were point a game players throughout the dead puck era so that argument is null. Both led their teams to stanley cups. Crosby has accomplishments, sure. But it definately isn’t much more. He has one more cup than sakic and is trailing in points. There is no reason he’d shadow those 2 players without a doubt. No way.

[@johnnytweed]

Been watching hockey 40 years, Sakic and Yzerman are not, and never have been on Sid’s level. Check your head. Full stop.

[@sizzle8558]

anybody who played before the 90s or did the majority of their play before the 90s is overrated in every list ever.

[@lannon4prez]

That’s a ridiculous comment.

[@sizzle8558]

@@lannon4prez not at all