Sierra Burgess Really is a MASSIVE Loser

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[@ThePrehistoricLord]

So what if Veronica is actually the main character and we're viewing the movie from the the villain's perspective?

[@hotarubinariko]

Then it would have been a better movie.

[@KirstenMarie_MS3]

Villian and main character/protagonist aren't mutually exclusive categories. It's just that most conventional fiction is written from the "hero's" point of view.

[@mleppp1546]

I’m going to think of ready player 2 like that, but there is no hero.

[@nothanks7063]

Then the movie should have punished the villain but it doesn't because the only objective is to glorify Sierra and say women should get away with assaulting men.

[@lostforever773]

The the the

[@sleepysera]

If it wasn't for the ending, it would have been fine. If the takeaway from the movie was "She did horrible stuff and we know it was horrible stuff and now she has to pay for it and is learning to be better" I wouldn't have minded it. But they had to go and give her a REWARD for her horrible deeds, and that's what made me go..nope. This is trash and teaches young girls all the wrong lessons.

[@reneelucero2923]

yeah, like if she had been called out for doing that at the end and the movie clearly pointed out "You did something horrible", and then she AT LEAST lost the guy then it could've been a good movie. But nah let's reward her at the end for all the shitty things she did, even though it was Veronica who at the end fixed everything for her and Sierra DIDN'T EVEN FUCKING APOLOGIZE TO EITHER OF THEM PROPERLY. "Oh yeah I'm sorry I catfished you but you don't know what it's like to look like me" BITCH YOU'RE NOT EVEN SORRY, APOLOGIZE PROPERLY AND STOP VICTIMIZING YOURSELF.

[@babygirl337]

Yes this is the problem I had with this Movie she did all these horrible things throughout the movie and in the end she's rewarded with the boy. What?!!?

[@Nionivek]

She is awarded in the end because the movie genuinely believes she is "Disadvantaged" in spite of the fact that suddenly everything goes right for her once get gains a better attitude. . To have a different ending the entire movie's thinking process would have to change with it.

[@Rose-yt5hi]

This movie is based on a play called Cyrano de Bergerac. Unlike in the movie, though, Cyrano is actually a good and decent person trying to help two people get together (knowing they like each other, and despite being in love with the woman himself), and even then he doesn't really get a happy ending.

[@ukchanak]

@@Rose-yt5hi I think strangely, they switched the handsomeness of the two characters. Cyrano became the pretty one who gets nothing at the end instead of the ugly one who gets nothing at the end. Which... doesn't make as much sense....

[@CDReimer]

This movie sounds like a "choose your own adventure" book with all the bad choices mapped out from beginning to end.

[@Ektalon]

And all the choices are bad ones . . .

[@pumpkinspice7541]

All the bad choices are mapped out and you make one good choice at the end and BOOM good ending

[@roelin360]

@@pumpkinspice7541 this is so accurate

[@anti_fragile]

playing Episode with no diamonds

[@mackhiggins4731]

I would like to argue that Sierra's friend is also a decent character. He keeps trying to give Sierra a reality check throughout the entire movie and reminds her what she's doing is messed up.

[@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access]

Am I allowed to say that I found him playing the token “almost magically wise” black best side friend...problematic?

[@eekembookum]

@@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access Didn't find him wise. He just had some fuckin' common sense.

[@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access]

@@eekembookum Very true. But to a dump truck like Sierra, it’s god tier wisdom.

[@pixiestxNyomouf]

@@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access true but that was more director and castings fault than him

[@Jane-oz7pp]

I mean, it's a start. Probably would be more moral to let the dude know before she assaults him, but hey, maybe I just have unrealistic expectations of peoples ethics.

[@princessadrigirl6774]

Veronica is the only good character and she’s constantly getting punished for it. Sierra is literally the worst person ever and gets nothing but rewarded. Feels like a weird, self-insert fanfic Edit: I originally posted this as a comment but decided to post a more condensed version here so ppl actually see it: When did I ever say she was perfect? “Good character” does not directly translate to “flawless person who has done no wrong ever”. You don’t have to be a good person to be a good CHARACTER. Y’all are free to have your own opinions but don’t put words in my mouth pls & thank ✨

[@bebebebota11]

Let's not get crazy about Veronica. She was a bullie and she was the one who gave Noah Centineo Sierra's number. She had a Freudian excuse and gets better at the end but she wasn't perfect.

[@rawfermews4186]

bebebebota11 But Veronica had a good solid reason to act out like that, unlike Sierra she had an abusive family and a self absorbed mother only concerned with her daughters looks. Veronica was only acting out because of that and truthfully none of what she did was THAT bad. She was right Sierra is a loser, and even more than that she’s just a naive girl who wants help. Yes Sierra is a horrible person and it’s not good to be involved with her but the whole movie she was just manipulating Veronica to do whatever she wanted her to making her think it’d help her. And let’s be honest what was the worst that could happen to him? He calls the number, he finds out it’s fake, like there was no magnitude to that.

[@fightingmedialounge519]

Except having a bad life doesn't negate horrible behavior, and yes playing with people's emotions is horrible. I'm so sick off people acting a person having a terrible parent excuses them from terrible person.

[@agencymenace1090]

@@fightingmedialounge519 let's get to the root of the problem here. You were bullied and now you refuse to have empathy for anyone but yourself.

[@fightingmedialounge519]

@@agencymenace1090 no, the root of my problem is lazy writing being rewarded. I have similar issues rescue romances and stereotypes being used frequently.

[@PiresArsenalLegend]

I was blissfully ignorant of the Paul's dad thing and I am now traumatised by the knowledge.

[@j.jmilan551]

That lowkey felt like cuck porn.

[@Crux_JCr]

Same. I want to bleach my brain of this disgusting image from my mind.

[@miaconstransitch8979]

Same

[@belladonna869]

I could have gone my whole life not knowing about it 🤢

[@mheilig]

Me either. What a hard watch. Jeesh

[@lnt305]

Just like with tall girl, I feel like the main character is unaware that the problem isn't their looks but that they are horrible to the people around them

[@WitchyCharlie]

Yes! Tall girl was so weird and had the “best friend as true love” thing which I also hate.

[@liabw05]

That Jake Paul and Logan Paul bit was disgusting! Omg how is that okay?! I need a shower 😩

[@safala]

Imagine if it went like this: Sierra talks with the guy, being her authentic self for a long time, but doesn’t know that Noah thinks it’s Veronica he is talking to. They don’t send pics or video call or do anything that requires sending pics to each other. Noah starts liking her through her texts. Sometime between the start and this, Sierra starts tutoring Veronica and they develop a friendship. Then, finally, Noah and Sierra (who still doesn’t know that Noah thinks it’s Veronica he’s talking to) decide to meet one day. To his surprise, it’s not Veronica that arrives, but Sierra. He feels cheated on (cause she’s not Veronica, doesn’t have anything to do with how she looks) and Sierra feels cheated on too. Sierra goes home and gets mad at Veronica cause she thinks it’s Veronica’s fault that Noah ditched her. She thinks that Noah doesn’t like her and thinks that the reason he doesn’t like her is because she’s not conveniently attractive and not because she’s not who he thought she was (I feel like lack of conventional beauty and insecurity goes hand in hand, or at least it does for me). Anyway, Veronica feels like it wasn’t her fault that this all happened and she and Sierra stop talking. Then, the song part happens and she sends it to both Noah and Veronica. Noah ignores her text but Veronica listens to the song, feels bad and she and Sierra apologize to each other. Then Veronica goes to Noah and apologizes to him as well and tells everything that happened. He accepts her apology but still feels like Sierra was cat-fishing him because there must’ve been an instance when he called her Veronica, right? He still decides to listen to the song Sierra sent and also decides to go through their conversations so that he can point out he called her Veronica, but realizes that they never called each other by their name other than when Noah introduced himself to Sierra but somehow Sierra hadn’t introduced herself because she forgot and Noah didn’t realize that because to him, she was Veronica. While going through their texts (and listening to the song), Noah’s feelings for Sierra resurface and so, he meets with her and apologizes for ditching her and not hearing her side of the story. Sierra apologizes for accidentally catfishing him and not giving her side of the story. Then they kiss or whatever. This would mean that all the problematic things would not remain in the movie and Sierra would be a redeemable character and easy to root for.

[@nbdjz1058]

this would be such a good movie omg

[@safala]

@@nbdjz1058 Thank you 😊

[@abdullahrizwan592]

I love it!! You should write movies.

[@safala]

@@abdullahrizwan592 Thank you 😊

[@sakurayankishi9708]

This is a really good story

[@ekaaaaaans]

That "you're MY type" scene at the end was so corny, I thought initially it was an obvious dream sequence.

[@beasttitanofficial3768]

It also rubbed me the wrong way how they had to drive the point home that she can never be everyone's type because she's a bit chubby like... does Netflix think everyone is into the exact same body type?

[@david2.065]

"my type." So sociopath and chronic liar?

[@noelle4luv]

The most upsetting part of that scene was that horrid dress. Everything about this movie was trash and the dress just pushed me over the edge. Also, Sierra is terrible, but that's Noah's type? That wasn't a good look for him and his self respect either to just accept her.

[@mitchellhorton9382]

Yeah, so. Revenge of the Nerds ends with the reverse of that setup, and people (rightly so) commonly point out that it's out and out sexual assault.

[@TheDawnofVanlife]

Modernly people point that out (and they're right) but in it's day, the nerd was celebrated for his sexual prowess. Today (with Sierra) they wrote a really bad attempt at "liking someone for their personality". Unfortunately, her personality is liar, deciever, and general obsessive/rape-y/stalker-y behavior. Not to mention petty (hacking Veronica's social media). So it's not like it's even a good "cool guy notices uncool girl" cute teen rom-com. It's just wrong this character is "rewarded" at the end for being a terrible person.

[@trashbasket11]

@@TheDawnofVanlife ......no the framing doesn't change it

[@cantsay2205]

That's what I was thinking about! Thank you.

[@Soma11887]

Scary thing is, there are so many girls out there that are just like Sierra. I figured this was a train wreck when I saw it on Netflix a few days ago. Thought it was funny how even the trailer doesnt paint her as a great person.

[@TheDawnofVanlife]

This is a really bad Cyrano adaptation. So originally it was an (unattractive) guy trys to woo girl. And in one of those Revenge of the nerds movies the nerdy guy wins the girl by having sex with her in costume (while she thinks he's someone else). And then is wooed by the sex and forgives what is basically rape. So this concept has been done in teen movies with a male protaganist. The non consensual kiss is pretty wrong and gross. The character is unredeemable. As a fat girl who had a tough time in high school I am embarrassed by this movie. One second Sierra's this confident body positive person, but then by the middle she is like "cry for me because fat girls lives suck in comparison to skinny girls". And she's seen Veronica's life, which actually does suck. Sierra has 2 loving parents. But "they don't understand cause they conventionaly attractive in high school". *Gag* Agree, Sierra is a loser for what she did. Not cause she's a chubby girl. (And this is the opinion of a chubby girl who watched this movie randomly).

[@23Koneko]

Yes. They took the basics of the play and kinda removed everything that made the three main characters interesting and ignored the reasons Cyrano was a compelling character and what makes the story to be heartbreaking at the end. Does a horrible job of getting the play's message across. And why you wanted Cyrano, Roxanne, and Christian to all be happy in the end.

[@SirEriol]

At least Cyrano was polite enough to die without the woman he pined for. Sierra Burguess couldn't even do that. But guess I can't blame her for being so awful, she's a bit fat and therefore she's entitled to being a garbage person.

[@TheDawnofVanlife]

@pun:c 10 things I hate about you is based on taming of the shrew, but it also takes place in a modern (at the time) high school. So there are expected changes for the format and time period. And there are a dozen such adaptations like this because you can admit being influenced by them because no one owns the copyright and no one can sue you. You can do a Romeo and Juliet in space where they both live and it's still basically based on Romeo and Juliet. You can place Hamlet in NYC and have Denmark be a Business instead of a country and his dad still be alive and symbolically haunt him from like a mental institution and it's still based on Hamlet. There's a reason why many small theater companies start with the classics...they are free to use and CHANGE without consult to the very dead author. Modern plays are not. My point stands, I never said it was a line for line lift of the play.

[@onixiage]

megamind was a better adaptation of that play

[@thisisavivistanaccount7866]

pun:c the person never said cyrano assaults Roxanne. They just mean that there are obvious parallels between this movie and the play. The main male love interest is the stand-in for Roxanne. Sierra is “Cyrano” basically. Deemed “unattractive”, but good with words. Veronica is the attractive, but not so smart guy(I forget his name in the original plot). It’s not a 1:1 remake.

[@monkeyface101]

This movie is trash! Veronica was the only redeeming character..

[@seveneyes77]

Veronica helped, she's also bad.

[@camilab2430]

As far as I remember Noah's character and Sierra's friend did nothing wrong, except of course forgiving Sierra but details xd

[@wiktoriakos2597]

@@seveneyes77 Veronica has more redeeming qualities than Sierra and has actual reasons behind her character, after that the only reason she`s baddie because she`s pretty nothing more

[@Someone-or8tp]

@@wiktoriakos2597 No, she actively assisted Seirra Burgess in her catfishing endeavours and the sexual assault was basically her idea.

[@apparaya4225]

Veronica started it anyways

[@HushIAmTalking]

I have never seen that Logan Paul thing before and I hate you for showing it to me

[@unicornburgers302]

Lol same

[@puffball5329]

Today's episode of 'I could've gone my entire life without seeing that'

[@distressed_dino5017]

Twas jake not logan, but still gross

[@tmntaddict]

Destery Smith added music when he played the clip and it’s even grosser this 2nd time without music.

[@TheHardestPill]

666 likes this comment is C U R S E D

[@emmacat3202]

Sierra Burgess is one of those creepy "nice girls". Yikes. I was ugly in high school (unattractive, weird, nerdy, socially awkward), but not Sierra Burgess ugly. Like, I didn't harass and catfish people. I just focused on getting good grades and decided not to date because there was no point in doing it if I was gonna keep getting rejected.

[@jesuszamora6949]

Which is what you SHOULD do. Work on yourself. You'll win out in the end when you do that.

[@Rikrobat]

I was the same way. Being a heavier-set girl with nerdier hobbies and looks that aren't getting me on the cover of magazines, I was generally a pariah in school. But I just tried to do my best and treat people with kindness, because I didn't want others to feel the same unhappiness from being rejected and bullied. I was furious when this character, who catfished someone and cruelly humilated her friend (among other things), decided to blame her parents' genetics by the end instead of looking inward and realizing how horrible she's been. And the movie frames this as some grand statement that gives her the moral high ground, like....screw you, movie.

[@emmacat3202]

@@Rikrobat same. I tried to be kind to as many people as possible for the same reasons. I was horrified by the movie as well.

[@Rikrobat]

@@emmacat3202 - I think the most frustrating thing, for me, is that I relate to that speech. Lots of people telling me "it's the inside that counts" don't always seem to understand how awful it can feel to not be "conventionally beautiful." So, that sort of speech resonates. But someone like Sierra doesn't deserve to say those words, not without also acknowledging her own toxic behaviour.

[@lostforever773]

Don't call yourself ugly and don't call people like that ugly Makes you actually ugly

[@latenightcake5881]

I saw this and right when she kissed him I thought omg that's sexual ASSAULT!!! And that was it. There was no coming back from that. Awful movie, like it made me feel naucious.

[@annegrey3780]

I always thought that it should have ended with the guy saying he would have liked her if it wasn't for how she acted. She was the one who assumed he never would like her if he knew how she really looked. Undermine her whole "I'm not conventionally attractive so the world is unfair" narrative with a narrative that it really was her personality that mattered. Everyone around her could have been fine with her people conventionally unattractive, but it really was the "ugly on the inside" that did her in.

[@MissCaraMint]

Well yeah. She’s horrible. The basis for this is supposed to be Cyrano de Begerac by Edmond Rostand, but Cyrano would never. They gave the protagonist a similar name, kept in the identity confusion part, but threw out the entire rest of the story. Yeah you have a protagonist who likes someone and is too incesure too approach them romaticlly bacuse of their incecurity about their apperance, but one genuenly tries to set that person up with a person who they feel is abbeter fit for them, and who they allready are attracted too (and who is attracted to them) in an effort to make them both happy. Mean while the other one uses someone elles image to basically molest someone. Ugh. Night and Fucking day!

[@antonrazzouk6767]

Axl Rose ranted a lot when he was young, like father like daughter I guess

[@Ektalon]

Anton Razzouk Wait, I thought Amanda was the secret love child of Conan O’Brien and Jodie Foster . . .

[@ricebeansrockroll882]

@@Ektalon it was a threeway

[@toweypat]

LOL!

[@BlueGeen]

@@Ektalon omg. The Jodie foster is so true!

[@jordon2074]

Im late to this party but no one has mentioned how weird it is to say to someone "You might be ugly to everyone else..." Like. Wtf.

[@Xehanort10]

A backhanded compliment if ever there was one.

[@maxgrozema1093]

Shrek did it better

[@jesuszamora6949]

"You look like shit, but you're MY shit!"

[@athenarocks7657]

@@Xehanort10 true, but she also totally deserved it 😂

[@chainunchained3221]

jesus h christ she sounds like a female version of every one of Onision's book characters.

[@newsystembad]

A damning comparison if ever there was one.

[@meatball5336]

Wait that moron wrote books??? Off to Google i go

[@chrismorris6865]

@@meatball5336 Watch Strange Aeons' videos on his books, they're hilarious.

[@agencymenace1090]

@Sabrina Owens yesss I was hoping someone mentioned Krimson

[@jesuszamora6949]

@@meatball5336 Fuck me, I'm amazed that glorified fecal log can even read, never mind writing.

[@iamadreamerr6885]

Sierra is not just a loser. She is just a horrible person, toxic, absolutely not likable, insane. I don't understand how she gets the dude in the end, especially since she doesn't get any redemption, doesn't try at all. Very bad and even dangerous message out there.

[@KOWolf]

I love that Rocket is just chilling in the background. For real though, that scene where she saw them kiss and they posted on Instagram, holy shit that annoyed me. Like yeah maybe her character was shitty for cat fishing the guy but then she actually concretes herself as a horrible person by doing that. Ahh good old Netflix originals

[@AmandaTheJedi]

It's just SO BAD. And they have her clap back at the bitchy chick early in the movie when she calls her Frodo, and she goes on this Quasimodo rant. That scene COULD have been done well if she had just been like 'you mean Quasimodo, if you're going to insult me, at least do it right' Instead she goes on one of these 'i aM An iNteLectUaL' rants that comes across as 'Nice Guy' justice porn, except she's a chick. She's just a horribly unlikeable character

[@SirEriol]

"She's not a good person! She has no redeeming qualities!" (Little kitty cat is licking the fur between his legs)

[@MissMeowy]

whew, thank you! I was looking for a comment with the epic cat licking scene, and got worried that no one mentioned it :D

[@tash4270]

@@MissMeowy I was watching the kitty, too 😅

[@beth-bi9yv]

It would have been more palatable if she had actual consequences at the end. If she had ended up alone, there would have been actual closure.

[@karolineCPH]

I was so angry and confused when Sierra wrote a song about feeling sorry for herself and Veronica just forgave her after that. The song should have been an apology to Veronica, or about their friendship.

[@lastquarter3992]

Yeah, saying "I suck, I'm lame" etc doesn't really count as an apology. All you're doing is still talking about yourself and pitying yourself. When you apologise, the main focus should be on the person you've wrong and how they feel.

[@ElizabethT45]

So at the end, his "type" is a girl who will catfish him because she just luvs him soooo much. A relationship that starts out with that big of a red flag is doomed anyway.

[@silversteinmma]

Another good video, Amanda. That type of behavior would be major creep territory if it was from a man, it should be seen the same way from a woman.

[@csakegyjedi]

Uhm...too bad Revenge of the Nerds exists.

[@journalsbysophie]

It was so deceitful to me. I ended up crying because after they put out such a beautiful movie like Dumplin' they show up with THIS shit. It wasn't just bad it was just mean to people like me who were expecting the classical hot guy to fall for the nerdy not attractive looking according to society girl. They sold that in the trailer and then it was the opposite.

[@MissCaraMint]

If they had kept the storyline from the original that could have been exactly what it was (exluding the exact ending maybe), but no they changed everything. For the worse.

[@inalina9955]

"Watch easy A instead" This 100%, I love that movie :3

[@fretbuzzlightyear2833]

This movie probably wouldn't have been that bad if they did the story from the guys point of view

[@AmandaTheJedi]

And then the guy was like, y'all crazy, and never talked to her again

[@meatball5336]

Imagine if the genders were switched....people would see the felony much clearer lol

[@swine13]

I think you mean wouldnt have "looked" as bad. The reality is its just as bad regardless of what any one perspective sees - thats the point.

[@CrackerJackd]

I'm so glad that one of your points deals with double standards. If it would've been reversed, I feel like the initial reaction would've solely included the "all guys are pigs" statement (not that guys can't be like that).

[@JerichoVR]

If I was the guy let me explain it in a response OH HELL NAWAAHAAAAH!!

[@AmandaTheJedi]

Aha I'm actually friends with Art! It's definitely an OHHH HELL NAAWWW

[@JerichoVR]

@@AmandaTheJedi really? That's awesome

[@SegaChamber]

6:18 when the cat just plops down and starts licking away was weirdly distracting lmao

[@alexkennedy1820]

It is just so "clumsy" as a movie. For example, when Sierra hides under the car and she crawls out from under the car so she can kiss the guy --> it does not make sense and it just does not work. It is so far-fetched and that is part of the reason why it is difficult to have sympathy for her. It is so false of a scene and it is hard to adopt any suspension of disbelief. Usually, in films, you can allow for "coincidence" or similar. It is hard to relate to the scene because you just feel so awkward and it is actually very cringe-worthy.

[@MissCaraMint]

I suspect that it’s supposed to be the balcony scene from the original play. In that the veronica character ( exept it’s a man because they changed the genders for this adaprion) stood under the balcony to recite poetry to the love interest character (i forgett, but the original one’s name is Roxane). Of course «Veronica» cant quite hear the poetry the Sierra character is wispering to her so will mess up, and it’s very funny. Now in the original the Sierra character is genuenly trying to set these two characters up to be together. She thinks they will make a better couple than him and herself. And both have expressed interest in each other indipendantly to Sierra. So yeah. A very different narrative. The original would have been so much better.

[@alexkennedy1820]

@@MissCaraMint Original play? I did not know that. Thanks. I have accumulated so many books that I need to read.

[@MissCaraMint]

@@alexkennedy1820 Yes _Cyrano de Bergerac_ by Edmond Rostand. It’s actually a fictionalisation of a real person, and let me tell you it has some of the best insults in history. Some guy makes fun of Cyranos nose, and Cyrano’s just like «really? Big nose is all you could come up with?» and starts rattelig off all the insults he could have said. Then he composes poetry whle he duels the guy into submition. It is glorious, and establishes him as one of the most badass heros in history. You can see Steve Martin’s modern adaptation of the story which is pretty cute. It’s called _Roxane._ Be warrend though that the original actually ends in tragedy. It’s supposed to be a morality play about how telling this lie is wrong even though Cyrano was genuenly trying to make these two happy. Edti: _Roxane_ doesn’t have a tragic ending. That’s a romantic commedy through and through. _Cyrano de Bergerac_ is probably the most well known French play ever, and you WILL recognize at least one scene from modern pop culture. That Balcony scene is for example frequently refferenced.

[@alexkennedy1820]

@@MissCaraMint Many thanks for this. I have actually used similar lines to "is that all you could come up with?" in my personal life. I really enjoy reading new things. I really appreciate your very detailed response. I often watch movies just for entertainment, as opposed to intellectual reasons. I recently viewed "The Lie" which stars Joey King. If you want to be thoroughly irritated, watch that movie.

[@MissCaraMint]

@@alexkennedy1820 Oh God. She is in a lot of questionable movies.

[@snowangelnc]

Not only does it say it's ok to catfish someone, it outright encourages it. In the end when Noah and Sierra got together he admits to her that he probably wouldn't have been intersted in her if they had met under normal circumstances. So the message is that this was something that girls like Sierra actually NEED to do because they won't have a chance of getting with a good guy on their own.

[@k8tallison250]

Your cat in the background at 6:20 living his best life ........

[@SkyLarkUK]

I was today years old when I realised they were trying to write a genderflipped Cyrano De Bergerac story, which has been done so much better in other films ("the truth about cats and dogs" for example)

[@LittleCindyLouWho]

This movie is based off a classic French play and it really irritates me that they thought it would be a good idea to make Sierra a catfish when the main character in the original play isn’t a catfish. He is helping a friend write letters and speak intelligently to a girl he’s courting that the main character also happens to love. He’s basically acting as a wingman.

[@lucydearden5625]

The kissing scene is like a soft version of that revenge of the nerds scene. Not okay then. Not okay now.

[@shadyspot8284]

This sounds like whoever wrote this originally had Sierra as the villain until some fuckery happened along the way.

[@mattcascade]

I've not seen it, but it sounds horrific! :p Have to say, I love how you stand up for guys and the double standards both men and women face, thanks for that because videos like yours restore my faith in the human race!

[@fretbuzzlightyear2833]

I hate this movie with all of heart

[@iankiser]

All this is is a retelling of Cyrano de Bergerac. There is a Steve Martin version of this called Roxanne. This story goes way back to 1897.

[@LordDragox412]

Then it would be best if it stayed in 1897...

[@jmwild1]

Roxanne is a really great "modern" adaptation. Sierra Burgess is just a bad movie in general.

[@TheDawnofVanlife]

It's a really really bad Cyrano. Different versions of this plot pop up every few years.

[@jmwild1]

Those goofy sitcoms in the 80s all had a Cyrano-style episode at some point.

[@lordoshower3478]

LordDragox412 Not the same. Not in the least

[@DrCthu-Lou]

So I haven't seen the movie, but it seems like a gender swapped Cyrano De Bergerac (the name sounds similar too) with the ending changed to fit present romance conventions.

[@G-LukeJA]

It is

[@redenavari]

Except Cyrano isn't an asshole. He also doesn't assault Roxanne.

[@sittingduck1735]

I actually liked Insatiable, I could relate a lot to Patty's helplessness and lack of self control in the face of stress. It was even funny at times and you knew they weren't taking themselves seriously (or atleast I thought so). Sierra burges on the other hand..

[@jlprizm]

Insatiable didn’t bother me either. I think they weren’t trying to make Patty seem like a “good” person and I also got the impression that we weren’t supposed to take things too seriously in that show. But Sierra rubbed me the wrong way entirely. Her behavior was horrible and then we were meant to feel sorry for her and she got the guy in the end anyway. Somehow the movie offended me way more.

[@Shadowfire204]

"Netflix has got to chill a bit." But thats impossible. Its Netflix AND chill.

[@jorgecanalesbarrera7090]

Great review!!! you really killed it here! I went straight to Netflix after I watched your video, you're absolutely right, the movie is creepy af!!! I don't know what's going on with Netflix anymore!

[@SailorMya]

I watched this movie with high hopes but it didn't take long to see that it was trash... I kinda laugh when I realized that they made a movie about catfishing... When she yelled at mother about how she isn't pretty I was done with the movie but still finished it... Her mom did nothing to deserve that rant because she did nothing but support her... If her mother was like Veronica's I could see her going off on her but she wasn't... She never looked down on her or made her feel inferior for not being "pretty". She just loved her. This just showed that her insecurities came solely from herself and nothing else! The whole thing was more like how many people can Sierra piss off before writing a song to make it all better! They made her more awkward then she needed to be... If they showed the guy sort of falling in love with her when they met outside of the phone conversations and have him realize that he liked her more then Veronica and the "fake" conversations I could understand when it came to light that she was who he was talking to the whole time...

[@kevv7874]

Whenever I feel like falling into self pity because I'm unattractive, I remember that I too like attractive people. I'm not gonna be hypocritical and expect attractive people to be into me.

[@rmack562]

This genuinely sounds like a thriller/horror script that got given to the wrong studio

[@uli_Gio]

I like how your cat was cleaning itself and then it disappears out of nowhere

[@thetoothpasteeater3963]

6:32 that cat tho

[@victoriabryer4710]

"Ahh, Kissing someone to trick them into thinking they're kissing someone else is tight" "No actually it's completely wrong and seriously messed up"

[@madamemelone4947]

Easy A is one of my favorite films and was not damaging like this sounds 😂

[@Waffilicious]

Sounds like they were trying to make a teen adaptation of Cyrano de Bergerac. And failed. Miserably.

[@maec340]

I have two alternative endings that could have made this movie somewhat bearable... 1: If the directers REALLY wanted this to be how the movie plays out and wont budge... have everyone hate her. Have no one forgive her. Have her lose her chance of going to a good university. Show that your bad actions will not give you good outcomes. Catfishing wont give you the man of your dreams. 2: Have the movie play out the same, Veronica gives the guy Sierra's number. At first she plays along, fantasying although very much aware of reality. But as it progresses, She admits she is not veronica. The boy is mad and he begins talking to veronica, however he realises he doesnt like veronica. Yes she's pretty, but she can't hold up a convo like sierra, she isnt as engaging mentally like sierra is and so in the end the boy does go back to Sierra, as a statement like, "Looks aren't everything, I like you for you." At the same time Sieera would be suffering the repercussions of her cat fishing. Maybe her best friend ditches her, the rumour spreads around school, its affecting her chances for uni, etc. At this point she can start focusing on herself. Finding what makes her happy. A new look, diving into skin care and learning to look after herself. She doesnt have to physically change but her mental outlook on herself will give her a more confident and positive vibe. And in return everything she lost will slowly piece itself back together once Sierra accepts who she is and embraces herself.

[@MmmKayHuuNay]

This movie would fly in the 80s. Very John Hughes.

[@newtjorden1957]

Thats the kind of review i wish i had seen before actually watching the movie.

[@user-fn8tq2wg2e]

That "We had a moment" definitely gives me some "You" vibes.

[@itscherylplayz8925]

How did Jamey forgive her? She lied about being deaf, catfished him, and LITERALLY sexually assaulted him. Him, Sierra's friend, and Veronica deserved better.

[@redenavari]

I hate that people are comparing this movie to Cyrano de Bergerac without mentioning that Cyrano; 1. wasn't an asshole & 2. didn't assault Roxanne. Cyrano feeds Christian his lines for Christian & Roxanne's benefit because he genuinely believes they'll be happy together, not in the hopes of conning Roxanne into falling in love with him instead. Cyrano projecting his own shallowness onto Roxanne is the biggest factor in thwarting his chances with her and it's his pride that prevents his character growth and leads to the unhappy ending. In comparison, Sierra is rewarded for her pride with recognition and validation from her peers -which is not and has never been how anything happens in high school, ever. Like I'm sorry but if a kid shirked a poetry assignment and sung a song instead they would be the subject of derision and mockery and never live it down. Instead, Sierra gets the jock, which isn't even narratively satisfying, because she went through no character growth whatever and did nothing to earn it. It's not the same story, even if it does have some of the same beats.

[@mioafox]

I got really distracted by the huge cat that appears at 6:17, cleans its butt and vanishes at 6:34...

[@DriscolDevil]

I'm surprised anyone is that surprised by this. There are movies like Get Him to the Greek that have straight up rape scenes played for jokes that only work because it is a male victim. By rape joke, I don't mean jokes about rape, I mean scenes portraying men being violated that are played for comedy.

[@Shiirow]

thats usually how it works, men being raped is humorous, while women being raped is horrible and disgusting... to certain demographic. while I think rape in general is pretty horrific regardless of the victim.

[@frieza65]

​@@Shiirow "to certain demographic" No need to be coy... you can just say "men" or "male writers". No one finds male rape more hilarious than male writers, especially prison rape, and especially when it's done to emasculate a male villain. But somehow, I feel like that's not what you were going for. Nevertheless, it remains a reality.

[@pucamisc]

I think wedding crashers also has male rape jokes. I have no idea why people classify it as comedy. It’s disgusting.

[@fiftychan9981]

It feels like they are showing the "female lead syndrome" through the movie...

[@Srabubulupa]

This movie was stupid, Sierra was such a dislikable character and had no development whatsoever. But, the thing that really got on my nerves is that she couldn't even make a PROPER apology to Veronica, seriously a song? A SONG? WTF!

[@chesterbesterfeild]

Cyrano de Bergerac is a well crafted story with layers of understanding both love and the human condition. This is a netflix show...

[@c.w.8200]

That reminds me of the time a guy I met online catfished himself. We talked on Skype and he saw unedited pictures and I mentioned that I'm a bit overweight but he managed to convince himself I'm exaggerating and insecure. And when we met he was confronted with the truth and it was awful...but then he wanted to date me anyway 🙄

[@JadeEyes1]

It feels to me like this was supposed to be a modern, gender-flipped version of Cyranose.

[@bebebebota11]

Yeah and amazing how many there are. I saw an 80s and a 1999 teen version, and in the 00s (I think) Uma Thurman and Jeanine Garoffalo (don't know the spelling) had another that was also genderbend.

[@belle6506]

I love your ranting. You vent for all of us lol

[@PriyaPans]

Wait, where are the videos on the second channel? I don't see any videos there. Also - how do people when creating movies like this, not see the GIANT red flags about the characters/plots

[@Lucy666Fernandez]

They got copyright striked to the point she gave up the channel apparently.

[@PriyaPans]

@@Lucy666Fernandez that's really sucky

[@douglasbriel6103]

Isn't this just a remake of A Tale of Cats and Dogs with Uma Thurman and Janine Garofalo updated with tech.

[@TheDawnofVanlife]

It's Cyrano....one of many modern takes on Cyrano.

[@oOoOosparkles]

The Truth About Cats & Dogs (1996)... good movie!

[@lelandstottlemeyer8355]

You know what's a good portrayal of ugliness being on the inside, even if it was brought out by how people treated you for your outside appearance? The Phantom of the Opera(book and play are my favorite versions.) You can understand the horrible actions, and even sympathize with Erik/Phantom, but it doesn't try to fool viewers into thinking he's justified.

[@InOzWeTrust]

6:19 The cat licking themselves in the background totally distracted me more than intended I'm sure.

[@ellioa3978]

The idea of this movie gives me anxiety that i wouldn’t be able to get through it😭😭😭, why would some one create this scenario.

[@twiceshy9773]

This feels like The Suicide Squad people did Sierrra- like, somebody dropped the script and everything got mixed up and they totally focused on the wrong points and it's maddening....but lol, now there's a Cruella Deville movie so wtf do I know

[@rachelcrepeault7617]

You know what's weird that the movie would've been so much better if when he texted this number she just told him that it was the wrong number. They're so many fanfictions with that wrong number trope and a movie with it would've been so much better .

[@chonks2936]

6:35 Cat used teleport Cat fled from battle

[@BR-ec2ph]

Also didn't Netflix make this exact movie but with a guy with a big nose (as a remake of Roxane?)

[@FortuitousOwl]

6:23 lol your cat in the background

[@risjones]

This movie was just over-all disturbing and a horrendously awful depiction of justification for narcissism and sexual assault.

[@stonedalien3277]

I LOVE THE ENDING SING IN THIS VIDEO!! (Mainly bc I got emotional ties to it)

[@venommillan1102]

I feel like this is something that should've been the plot of a one off episode of a wacky 90s sitcom, not the premises of an entire show. Unless off course we're all looking into this too much and it was actually supposed to be a edgy comedy. *Edit: my bad, apparently its a movie.

[@cl5470]

FYI, the story this was originally based on, the catfisher actually was a man named Cyrano de Bergerac. The story was that he had such a huge nose that no woman wanted him. Sierra's name is clearly a nod to the source material (Sierra sounds like Cyrano, and Burgess was the name of the man who translated the play into English). Cyrano was a great writer, so he used a handsome "Chad" to woo a woman using his words. And no, it is not creepier with a male as the lead because Cyrano, while creepy, is also sensitive and has a good sense of humor. Unlike Sierra, he is actually a good writer, so it is more understandable that someone falls for his words alone. Oh, and Cyrano was a nobleman with money and a position in the military, making it more believable that someone would consider overlooking his creepy catfishing. Oh, and in the source material, Cyrano does NOT get the girl. She doesn't even realize she was catfished until years later.

[@xx___x]

agree, this movie was super problematic and I hated it cause she started out just fine, being fine with herself and appearing to be strong but then turned into such a mean person, catfishing him, kissing him by tricking him, it was gross

[@venomqueen5]

I know it's been a long time since this movie and the controversy behind it, but I was on a Amanda the Jedi videos binge watch so I was watching this video again and I feel like the movie would have been better off if Sierra and Jamie parted ways after he finds out the truth, because the things she did were really terrible, or maybe she could have given him Veronica's number, because he did like her first and they could have cut to a few years later, and Sierra has been working on being a better person (and that doesn't have to mean losing weight if she's works on loving herself more and is healthy) and bumps into Jamie somehow, and they talk about how things between him and Veronica didn't work, and Sierra asks him to be friends so she can do her best to mend what she has done and gain his trust again, and that can lead to them getting together in the end, and her and Veronica being friends, because she acknowledges that she was a bad person and feels bad for the things she did, NOT like they chose to end it... As a plus size girl, who is only in the process of losing weight because it has caused me health issues first and foremost, and I also want to feel comfortable in my skin and like what I personally see in the mirror, this movie did an awful job at helping me accept myself in any way, and if I was a teenager, maybe it would have lead me to think catfishing someone is okay to do. It's NOT OKAY to catfish someone, regardless of what gender is doing it (she even sexually assaulted him) and if this movie wanted to spread a message, in a way it did so, because it has me saying to people to do the opposite of what Sierra did... sorry for the rant, but this movie still pisses me off to this day...

[@FallenKuroTaiyo]

Honestly I kind of loved Insatiable for how batshit insane and stupid it was? Like the whole show is just showcasing how crazy the main character is and we basically see her become a literal monster and get away scotfree because she's a literal psychopath and it's amazing. It had nothing to do with body positivity. In that sense this movie and Insatiable are pretty similar. The main character is a terrible, awful person but gets rewarded for it but where Insatiable recognizes that and relishes in showing us just how awful all the things that happen are, this movie just goes "yes, this is great and something to strive for" which is disgusting.

[@audrab.589]

It sounds like Cyrano de Bergerac, updated and gender swapped with a happy ending.

[@lucaantoniociaramicoli9622]

Don't touch Insatiable!!!! It's basically a "It's so bad it's so good" for me

[@nothanks7063]

The movie ends with Sierra validated in all her self-victimization bullshit, that's where it fucks up, like, nobody has a problem with movies portraying bad people like Hannibal but the movie has to acknowledge they're doing bad things, not celebrate them.

[@CarFox6]

i played roxanne in a cyrano de bergerac production and never once felt as uncomfortable as i did just watching this movie : /

[@dramamole]

Just a reminder for everyone who suffered through this movie. There is a new movies coming out at the end of this month that is by all accounts a much more faithful adaptation of the beautiful source material. The main difference between this monstrosity and the original is that Cyrano is wooing Roxanne for Christian not for himself using Christian's body.

[@dddeepikaaa935]

3:34 ok now I need to bleach my eyes and my brain coz this just traumatized my whole existence WHAT

[@douglasbriel6103]

I felt this video was odd because your huge computer chair is missing.

[@naziatislam1149]

Alternate movie: Noah (whatever his name is in the movie) : Hey Veronica 😏 Sierra: Ummm.....wrong number who dis?! Noah: oh sorry :(

[@yingyangdevious]

So, basically a modern day Cyrano de Bergerac.

[@thedeepfriar745]

How do you adapt Cyrano DeBergiac and totally miss the point of that character and the plays theme

[@DeathCatEyes]

I feel like her character could have been redeemable if she had taken the time to look into herself and realize how selfish and terrible she is and goes about changing that, showing actual growth and fixing her friendships but also with the love interest, they should have done a whole 'hi I'm blah blah, can we start over.' That would have made this a good movie, showing how bad of a person she is and changing for the better by the end.

[@SuperSteavy]

Looked to me like a really twisted version of Cyrano.

[@ShanteYouStay]

God what an awful movie. I now have a new favorite movie to hate. What a couple of awful creeps doing that to a guy who was just trying to make a connection. Grotesque.