Sig Cross - Range Report 2

[@duke_8747]

Those groups are horrible for that gun 😅

[@TT-ch2pz]

I have watched several videos on this gun today and these types of groups are common. This isn't the kind of accuracy I expected out of this rifle.

[@tp-mh2ji]

168gr...My choice...Guns are more capable than we are! Practice makes perfect!

[@padronianful]

We gotta see a sub MOA group from a different rifle first before assuming the tester is capable. Blaming the rifle is the easy way out, and very seldom the problem.

[@lakesidemfg3552]

He is still learning how to run that rifle and posts a video of 3 round groups….

[@kevinkeister]

I'm an average shooter at best but my SIG Cross 6.5 does a hell of a lot better than that. I'd be embarrassed to post this.

[@Timrz]

Not sure when this video was made but there is now lots of data on how can torque affects accuracy on this gun… lots of people getting 1/2 Mia with this gun

[@markn4526]

@@Timrz Torque regarding what? The bolts that hold the stock to the receiver? The scope mounting bolts? Something was amiss with the how the rifle was shooting in this review and I doubt it was the rifle.

[@TimBiagi]

​@@markn4526he said can torque, meaning suppressor.

[@TheFullNeilson]

Thank you for the review. You saved me some money and headache. I have zero tolerance for a folding stock that wiggles like that. I am also not very impressed with the accuracy. If they fixed those issues I would buy one in a heartbeat.

[@Vanchero1955]

I know this is and old video but i just purchased the new Sig Cross Trax in 308 and am thinkin I'm gonna run the Trijicon Huron 3-9x40, How has your Trijicon held up?

[@TheGearTester]

I was just looking at the Sig Cross Trax at my local sporting goods store. I like it better than the standard Cross. The Trijicon Credo 3-9x40 has proven to be an excellent scope. I ended up putting it on a AR upper. The precision hunter red MOA reticle was enabled me to get good hits on steel out to 400+ yards.

[@Catgat37]

How is your Trax?

[@adloutdoors]

Not sure why those groups are so wild. I just started my break in at 50 yards. They were super tight but I'll see in a few days if that changes at 100 yds. I am shooting 150 grain Fed and Core-Lokt. I think this gun, at least in .308 is way more accurate than what you have.

[@livinroomlongshanks]

Yeah his groups are terrible for 100yds. My cross shoots .25moa groups are 100yds with federal premium 168gr. Not sure what's going on with his gun

[@marcelk4963]

Wobly Lawn chair, on a wobly tripod, in the snow + only 1x 3 shot of each type of ammo? Were you testing the lawn chair?

[@theimmortal4718]

Good job SIG! You made a 1500 dollar rifle that shoots way worse than a 400 dollar Savage rifle

[@ScoutRiflelab]

Accuracy results sent I to be all shooter induced - ie ‘ didn’t shoot well’ , threw shots, shooting off tripod and not staying on the rifle and following through, suppressor use ( on, off, or on and first round suppressed is different than following suppressor shots) etc etc . I don’t own one but OP used field setups and got field results . Great review! Very appreciated

[@theimmortal4718]

@@ScoutRiflelab He's not alone.

[@tbone-ml4ex]

This is not the rifle or the ammo. This is the shitty shot behind the rife that doesn't know how to adjust his scope, or have a solid platform to shoot from. If this dude had a 10,000 dollar custom rifle and a 5,000 dollar scope, he would still shot the same shitty groups.

[@DavidBanks02]

@@ScoutRiflelabagreed. I think this is the bottom of the accuracy capability. This was not shot from a bench setup. It was a field or hunting setup. And if you can land 1 moa like that you’re doing well for most people.

[@warrenb8228]

I just sent mine back to Sig yesterday. I’m upset about the rifle being flawed, but I’m happy Sig got it together (admitted something was wrong) and fixed it.

[@floridahdshooter]

I would be interested to know what Sig did to fix your rifle.. Please let me know. What issue you had, how they fixed it (if you know) and how it works now

[@gasdajuice3918]

Does anyone consider the fact that the grouping could be user error?

[@turkish547]

TOTALLY.

[@DavidBanks02]

Without a doubt shooter is in question. He did a great gun over view but there’s no way groups are that large at 100. If he had mirage he should have retested rather than report numbers he knew may be flawed.

[@markn4526]

@@DavidBanks02 Agreed.

[@TeensierPython]

Mine doesn’t have the stock wiggle. Check your bolts. I had a loose bolt. Tightened it to 50in•lbs as recommended in the manual. Works great now.

[@cuzz2895]

Mine has zero wiggle also

[@markn4526]

Yeah, my understanding is that the bolts that hold the stock to the receiver come loose from the factory is what causes the wiggle problem. Tighten them up...problem gone.

[@Pew_pewchronicles]

The adjustment ring on the back of the scope is called ocular adjustment and the only thing it will adjust is the reticle it will not do anything to mitigate mirage You can see through the score

[@davesackenheim2937]

I have a 716 dmr.. I'm printing three quarters of an inch at 200 yd.. with m118.... I really hoped the SIG shot better than my DMR

[@whitetailsup760]

That’s bad when a 399 ruger American 450 bushmaster shoots way way better than that sig at 200 yards

[@cesarsaavedra3095]

All looks. The accuracy is terrible a 350.00 savage axis in 6.5 with shoot 1-1.5 at 200. 1500+ for this junk. Buy a tikka ctr for 1100 and you will be very happy shoots 3/8” all day!

[@Eman3037]

Awful groups !! Awful shooting.....Gun is much better than this demonstrates.

[@curve5746]

Mommy not give you enough hugs? Take your shallow thoughts on down the road and kick rocks

[@Eman3037]

@@curve5746 Nothing to do with Hugs. Bottom line is you SUCK. If you can't take truthful criticism, stop doing videos sir.

[@duke_8747]

@@curve5746 here you are again

[@barrygregory8211]

Great video. Regarding the LaRue cantilevered mount, try turning it around. That should give you plenty of adjustment for proper eye relief. Also, I have difficulty using ear muffs with all my long guns from traditional wood and synthetic stocks to several brands of AR stocks, so for me, this problem is far from unique to the Cross. Hope these comments help.

[@kakappawpmaiangche7090]

That's what I thought and look in the comment😂

[@nathankimbro4404]

Great review. Thanks for the details on stock lockup and scope height.

[@jsgll...godgunsliberty1197]

Thanks for the video but I have to agree it does not look like a great shooter for the cost. . .

[@dinsixiengmay9781]

You may have a Limon 😳😳😳

[@markn4526]

Doubtful.

[@jimprovan8866]

Either you or the gun can't shoot. Those are woeful groups.

[@Vanalos]

yeah this is seriously off-putting. I was really interested in the gun but if this is what it's capable of...

[@yaudtube]

168 gr ammo will give you sub moa or half moa group!

[@TheGearTester]

Not with my specific rifle. I don’t doubt that later interactions of the SIG Cross are capable of delivering good accuracy. However, my specific firearms is inaccurate.

[@nicholasfall838]

Is it me or is Bill Gates narrating this video?

[@TheGearTester]

I wish!!! I think that I would have a great number of .308 loadings available to me if I had that kind of coin.

[@bankaydin]

Did you perform the barrel break-in procedure?

[@kevanphillips]

Not a keeper

[@trishat78]

The groups you got were awful I know it's just one gun but my Ak shoots better than that. I believe you need to revisit with another rifle. Sorry to be so negative I just don't thing the gun got a fair shake.

[@TheGearTester]

The groups were pretty terrible.

[@sethshaw5680]

Tighten up the screw on the stock silly

[@richiedd4119]

Hi, any recent update? thanks

[@baejiaoflying9434]

After breaking it in, I took mine out yesterday, to check which ammo it liked. Mine is the .308 with a break on it. And yes, the barrel heats up quickly, so I was doing 4 rounds then waiting by shooting something else in between. Most of the ammo I took (from 150gr, 168gr (same as in this test, the Hornady ELD), 175gr & 180gr), I can't say it grouped at all, at 100 yards with most of the ammo I took. 3-4" separation. It was disheartening. Except for Black Hills .308 175BTHP. 4 round clover leafing. It was excellent. Of course, it likes the most expensive rounds. 🙂

[@MNsportsman]

Most reviews I have found, both 6.5 and 308, are showing 1 inch and better groups. I think you got a lemon, or there are other factors causing that inaccuracy.

[@sylviahofer1246]

4" groups at 200 yards is not even acceptable accuracy for elephant, never mind deer. Hope you keep digging to find the hunting bullets that gives you at least 2" at 200.

[@rpk5250]

Excellent review. Have you noticed that little vertical wobble in the stock affecting accuracy? Also, since this gun is pretty short and light , how does it affect muzzle rise? Looking through the scope?

[@milo555100]

Thank you for taking the time to make this video. I hope you get it to shoot better groups. I have read that the barrel nut may need to be a bit tighter? Ive seen this in a review as well. Seems accuracy has been an issue with quite a few of these. I love this style of rifle for packability. My guide in Wyoming had the same rifle and it shoots very tight groups. Im grateful for your content. Well done!

[@308lastname3]

You could use the LaRue mount backwards

[@barrygregory8211]

I didn't read the other comments before posting mine. Oh well, two great minds thinking alike, I suppose!

[@212driller]

How's it shooting now? I find most rifles tighten up a bit after 300-500rds once you get some copper fouling.

[@JohnZ556]

FYI: A very small piece of gorilla tape towards to outer edge would shim that stock just about perfectly. I went with a 308 as well since it's a close-mid range setup, and the 308 version is a bit lighter and shorter. And I love the option of just use M80 ball for plinking(not anymore ↑$$$$↑ ) My result using PPU 155 OTM and Federal 168gr Tac Tipped Matchking w/ Nomad-L keymo (3-port brake underneath also very effective) attached were 0.25 to 1.3 MOA (3 shots, Federal was better ); last 5-shot group was about 1.5MOA when everything was pretty hot after 21shots for the previous 7 groups. I didn't rush but also didn't intentionally give it time to cool. For the price, weight, modularity, handling/ergo. The Sig Cross is pretty tough to beat, at least for the one I got. What a nice close-mid range light tactical bolt action, that you can absolutely hunt with. It also has the ability to switch to 277 FURY, if that caliber makes more sense to me in the future. Side Note: The heat was creating a pretty bad mirage towards the end(26 shots total), but it didn't seem to really open up the group that much, nor did it shift POI in any noticeable way. So glad Sig didn't try to cut weight by cutting the barrel profile like a pencil.

[@adloutdoors]

That mount is lame. Tally makes great rings, so do a lot of companies.

[@sRagnar]

Terrible groups, the rifle doesn't fire. Any semi-automatic will do better.

[@cameronmorgan4585]

my pos ar10 does MUCH better than that, wtf dude

[@rudolphferdinand3634]

Three round shot group does not tell too much of its accuracy, but ammo availability do the best you can; five or more shots, my standard.

[@eddiewiercioch777]

I just bought one of these, and I sure hope it shoots better than what I see in this video! Good Lord! Piss, poor groups!

[@Catgat37]

Well???

[@AntwonDaBusiness]

Practical accuracy? My AR15 shoots better groups than that at 100 and 200 yards man. That’s embarrassing.

[@hollywoodhefner2]

Yeah, that's horrible. My Ruger American shoots better than that.

[@kevn22]

What factory ammo do you find works best with the ruger scout

[@valiant545]

Hey what’s the suppressor?

[@jamminwithjakefrom505tacti6]

Bruh, you need to re-measure your groups. They are wayyyyy over what you say. Also Tula does not shoot accurately. Your breathing is throwing off all your rounds.

[@curve5746]

Tula shoots just fine and these groups are well within an average shooters statistics

[@duke_8747]

@@curve5746 are you his wife or something? Your going around defending him everywhere lol

[@chrisb9478]

My next rifle will be Tikka. I liked the Cross, but it seems 1/2 of its reviews are bad. 🧐

[@markn4526]

I think I'd prefer the Tikka T3x TACT A1 over the SIG Cross too, but it's also $800 more expensive. I also think a lot of the problems that some reviews have had with their Crosses can be easily remedied.

[@chrisb9478]

@@markn4526 I bought a Bergara 😁

[@markn4526]

@@chrisb9478 Coincidentally, I'm also looking at the Bergara B-14 HMR. I've never heard anything bad about it! Same goes for Tikka. The Howa TSP H is also on my radar. The TSP X would be, but it's very heavy comparatively speaking. How do you like your Bergara?

[@chrisb9478]

@@markn4526 Great, got the Sierra in 6.5cm

[@weekendwarrior8334]

LaRue LT111 is the mount you need.

[@briangayton9932]

Awesome video!

[@moabjack762ytsa2]

LaRue LT112 is pricey but nice, same as what you have without the offset. 20 moa mount. Unfortunatly no more dillo dust with purchase...at least the last time I bought a mount did not have any. Great report btw.

[@TheGearTester]

Thanks for the suggestion and the words of encouragement. Would you like the name of the company that makes the product that Larue markets as Dillo Dust?

[@moabjack762ytsa2]

​@@TheGearTester Yes please. The only thing I have found with simular ingredients is Adkins Western Style BBQ seasoning and I have run out of Dillo Dust so I cannot compare taste. It is fairley cheap at HEB. Watching your review, the folding stock movement is not what I would have expected from SIG.

[@TheGearTester]

@@moabjack762ytsa2 Well Adkins was what I was going to recommend. I have taste tested them back to back and I am of the belief that they are the same product. I hope you and your family have a blessed holiday! Merry Christmas!

[@seanwhite304]

I'm super interested in 16" 277 Fury . 2900 FPS With 140g Tipped Game King is outstanding performance. The only thing that will suck is Sig is the only gig for ammo . I would love to see 150g Partition.

[@randylahey4519]

Well I was excited for this rifle but after seeing those groups not so much. My 30-06 700 adl in a magpul stock shoot around 3/4 or less with Federal premium 150’s and for about a third of the price.

[@rifledog1]

I've seen sub moa in other videos. So results may vary?...idk.Also I think barrel changing will be an option in the future.

[@yaabuddyyy]

Gun doesn’t make anyone a good shooter

[@peterschmidt2849]

😎🇺🇸🍺

[@DDay336]

Any chance the Sig Cross might be chambered in 6.8 Western? I'm a CO Elk hunter and that's what I want.

[@ravissary79]

that would be nice, but I think that round is a different magwell size than 308. 277 fury is on the table though.

[@sambenge9140]

Had several cross rifles and similar accuracy…always worse than 1” mostly around 2” at 100 yards with any 6.5cm bolt rifle is pitiful.

[@djblackruss]

I have a Savage that shoots tighter grips @200

[@mauricelone2266]

Did they recall it because it is inaccurate even on a tripod?

[@curve5746]

If you came on here to comment on how bad he is just leave. Bringing others down won't fix your weak constitution.. maybe your mommy will give you more hugs if you ask her nicely.

[@duke_8747]

I mean his review was terrible. If it really was the gun and not him he should say something. He made it sound like the gun was fine and shooting great. That gun should shoot 1 to 1/2 moa at that range

[@mtnrnnr50]

Sig should have named it the RECALL

[@floridahdshooter]

Got to love all the keyboard commandos comments. Regardless I watched your video to get another perspective on the rifle, which I got.. Thanks for that... Did you try the Cross unsuppressed? I have the 6.5 Cross and with my handloads get 0.34 MOA at 325 Yards, but suppressed my groups open up quite a bit. The same suppressor on my other bolt guns tightens the groups.. Still doing load development to see if I can find a load that works well suppressed but I am thinking my gun just does not like my suppressor.

[@MrNormpon6]

I have good news and bad news. The Bad news is first. Many people have questioned this rifleS accuracy. The cross is ammo picky. Now the good news. Barnes match ammo will make you shoot at less than 1 mla. It is expensive but it works.

[@curve5746]

I have the same problem and as the suppressor warms up my groups tighten. Frustrating. I think a longer barrel will solve this

[@duke_8747]

@@curve5746 found you again

[@Madaboutshooting]

Wow were you sooting off hand or with a bipod - the groups are truly rubbish - i won't be buying one of those

[@TheGearTester]

I was shooting in the manner that you observed in this video, off a tripod. One think that I have realized is that SIG does not mention the accuracy of the Cross rifle anywhere in their literature on the gun. I think SIG know that this rifles accuracy is not very good.

[@TheTerr1bleOneAZ]

My cross is in 6.5 and I have sub MOA groups off standard S and B 140grain. All my bullets touch at 100. These groups he has are shooter error. Not the gun