SIG RATTLER 5.56 VS Q HONEY BADGER

Discussing the pros and cons of the Sig Rattler 5.56 vs the Q Honey Badger in 300 Blackout. Which is the best PDW? Watch to find out!
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[@jacksilversidez4347]

Had my father try my 300LBK with OSS can, he's a old 80s Detroit beat cop. He said it felt as revolutionary as when he first used a Gen 1 glock 17 in a shootout.

[@st.louismissouri3312]

A shootout? Detroit? No way that place is a gun free zone. You’re spreading fake news! 😉

[@signontheline1]

Love the gun review, but that table cloth looks like it was made in an un-named eastern European village during the cold war. That's what this video should be about. Looks like it took 7 old ladies over 1000 man hours to complete. Not to mention all of the rations they probably had to trade for those fancy beads and sequins...IJS!

[@4602toolfan]

If I had one gun to grab, it would be my HB. Love that thing, especially suppressed

[@joeygreen7854]

Great video buddy . Look forward to seeing more content of yours in the future.

[@DCW020905]

Great informational video!

[@BaddFrogg777]

Excellent information and perspective. Truly enjoyed and beautiful pieces of machinery/engineering. 1800 fps equals 1227 mph. Thats a lot of power in a small package.

[@bigfishcb]

You can’t go wrong with either. I personally went with the Rattler. Have it suppressed and it’s freaking awesome.

[@bubcity9448]

What was the price when you purchased?

[@bigfishcb]

@@bubcity9448 Paid $2300 back in April 2020

[@bubcity9448]

@@bigfishcb Ok, looking to purchase 1 thanks. Just hard to find them in stock at the moment

[@ashsherman]

​@@bubcity9448 indeed. Took so long i spend my rifle money by staying for 30 days in the carribean, lol....time to save up again..... By the time I do, might decide on something else but either of these seems a perfect ode rifle

[@solarlion144]

​@ashsherman yes get the rattler in 300. Its perfect. I have a rattler and a virtus with a trash panda and a thunder chicken.

[@Big7media2011]

Awesome review! What 556 grain would you recommend? I'm gonna order some rounds from HSL Ammunitions and not sure on what rounds to buy for practice and for home defense.

[@ronin2167]

If you're having so many issues with the .300, just put a can on it and leave it. The round was designed to perform best suppressed. No reason to go back and forth and you can just buy subs.

[@Hawgacydal]

Just say your personal preference is the Sig. I don't know why you wouldn't trust your life to the Honey Badger, it is just as effective and a quality product. I've got both brands and which ever I get my hands on first, whoa to the perpetrator!!

[@jrowinski82]

Just buy the 300 blackout barrel conversion kit from Sig for $600 and you can change the caliber by simply removing 2 torx screws and swapping barrels. I have the 556 Rattler and have had issues with the gun on the standard setting sometimes not picking up the next round and holding the bolt back on the last round. If I run the gun on the + setting it eats everything and runs great. Have you experienced that at all?

[@KeanonGilliamSlang369]

Very good comparison. I have the Rattler in 300 BLK out, love it. Waiting to suppress it.

[@anythingadrenaline4515]

Just suppressed mine with the Vox Armament. Best setup ever.

[@KeanonGilliamSlang369]

@@anythingadrenaline4515 Nice! I just got mine this week, I have the Silencerco Omega 300

[@Eroc556]

Its been tested a million times and you know what they found? They both will go thousands of rounds without cleaning. The dirt has to go somewhere so do you want it in a piston or bolt either way after so many rounds it will stop. As far as finding ammo as a reloader I don’t have that issue but I do agree 5.56 will be easier in a emergency time. Awesome pistols though man thank you for sharing!

[@gopgeorge1047]

Thanks. Great review. I just ordered the Rattler in 5.56 and I'm wavering because the 300BLK seems to be the more popular option. Is there any way to suppress these in 5.56?

[@Thehandbanana]

I got mine in 5.56 too because I don’t lan on shooting it outside 150 yards. Unfortunately the 5.56 barrel can’t be suppressed.

[@diskettejockey7829]

Thanks!

[@therealbzee]

Thanks I was totally going to buy a honey badger today do not like cleaning it frequently!

[@ZyZy456]

I love the HB and the Rattler both.

[@johnsmithe498]

Can you do a video of best grain for accuracy and velocity I’m thinking around 25 yards / 50yards and 100. What is average hold off at those ranges MOA?! Thanks

[@StevenSmith-pt8rz]

If you go 5.56 . Forget 50 and 100. It will be a 25yd. gun.

[@roscoep4850]

Once you set the HB for your preferred subs it runs supers fine. Also that set screw locks the adjustment screw underneath it so it doesn’t back off like most adjustable gas blocks. Downfall of sig is they will drop the product line or make that generation obsolete with no replacement parts available. Ask me how many times I was burned by sig for being a part of their consumer research and development program.

[@EchoDelta2A]

Valid point. Since this video, I have walked back my opinion and favored the HB as well.

[@roscoep4850]

@@EchoDelta2A they both serve different purposes in my opinion. The rattler was specifically designed to be compact and fit in the center console of a SUV. The build and gas system is rugged as hell. It’s a long step from the Sig556 and 556x which were civilian variants of the 512 built with cheaper parts. I have a couple registered sig products I’m stuck with of previous generations and fortunately a couple machine shops will still manufacture the replacement parts I need but Sig is out of the picture. Once those options dry up, I may have a paperweight if I keep abusing them. The honey badger could one day have the same issue but there really isn’t that many proprietary parts for it that can’t be replaced with other viable and easily attainable parts. HB is much lighter and definitely more has more of a sporting, hunting use range. The rattler is about pure hate and offense. Lol. In summary you covered your bases with 2 premium weapons and the 556 chambered option definitely allows the versatility. Don’t ever sell them!!!

[@StackinGreene]

​@EchoDelta2A have you made a update video explaining your change in opinion to liking the honey badger over the rattler now and why would love to see it

[@jamesmatthew1815]

Always check chamber was empty before you’re looking at the barrel. That’s safety.

[@lobsterlipps]

Love the video! Your are correct 100% I sold badger for czbren2 and also have sig rattler! (300BO) I agree the Rattler is about as good as can get! Looking at either 5.56 barrel and gaurs or just buying another rattler in 5.56.

[@mbh8621]

What caliber bren2 did you get? I have an 805 in 556 and really want a x39 bren2 or x51 if it ever comes

[@lobsterlipps]

Michael H I got the pistol version 8 inch barrel 556 I already filed the SBR paperwork and I got a suppressor for it they say they’re coming out with a conversion to x39. We’ll see. I absolutely love the gun but I added all the HPI parts to it

[@johnh.heartland7952]

Both platforms are on the pricey side but well worth your money. God Bless!

[@ashsherman]

Exactly. If you aren't able to spend $2500 on 1 rifle, you can get an AR and use one lower for so many options including 9mm, 223/556, or .300 with a quick upper or barrel swap depending on if you need it as a PDW or pistol or a Sporting sizes. But personally, I'd prefer a HB any day over any AR out there. Still, i kinda want a piston powered gun for reliability reasons in a PDW but that may just be because I've heard so many parrot each other about how great they are but if they were, wouldn't everyone have been buying AR-18s over AR-15s???

[@GregorsOutdoors]

Thanks for the informative and interesting video comparison. I, too, opted for the Rattler in 5.56 due to stock piling that caliber for nearly 2 decades. The 300 BO is tempting because it can be suppressed. I was curious what you felt was your 'sweet spot' in regards to accuracy at your longest effective range? I'm just now beginning to test my Rattler in close-in scenarios. Saw one KZbinr ringing steel at 100 meters with regularity with about your same setup. I also went with the Romeo 3 high setting. Thanks for any info!

[@EchoDelta2A]

Thanks Johnny. Honestly, since this video, I've pretty much gone 180. Based on a lot of ballistics tests and testimony from people that I consider to be more credible on the subject, I was persuaded that 5.56 would only be effective in immediate proximity (up to 50 yards). I'll never be a willing candidate to stand, even 300 yards away from a shorty 5.56, but I've come to doubt how effective it'd be in comparison to something like a 300BO with similar barrel length.

[@GregorsOutdoors]

@@EchoDelta2A Points well taken. In and around my home I still believe the 5.56 in this platform is more than adequate with the right loads but the .300 Blackout will be my 'go-to' PDW shortly as soon as I get the kit in. Extremely nice to be able to mod this weapon to my own preferences. Thanks!

[@KM_1983]

Great thing is you can get a caliber conversion kit and have both with same weapon.

[@gloglo1275]

@@KM_1983 Exactly. I have the rattler .300 and 556 x kit. In minutes I can swap calibers.

[@iceblock3]

Now today what one do you prefer ?? Looking at a honey badger badly always wanted one to cross another dream gun off the list but I do love the mcx line up

[@EchoDelta2A]

Out of the two I reviewed, I'd take the Honey Badger. 300 blackout just makes more sense out of a short barrel, however, if it wasn't limited to these two, I'd take the 9" MCX Virtus over any, or the Rattler if I really needed it to be as short as possible

[@lucianoreyes9350]

Why does the rattler on the 300 only have two mlok slots in the hand guard & on the rattler 556 version have 2 complete mlok holes and a half sized mlok hole ?

[@TheReal_FJB]

From looking at both models, would the 300BLK model having the opening to adjust the gas block have anything to do with it? Hand guard for 556 doesn’t have the opening.

[@Ratbeeitch]

Just bought a Sig MPX K, I also own a Sig M400. I am definitely selling the M400 to get the Rattler

[@thatguy3139]

When you said I can't rely on this thing with my life. Then said you could with the mcx it was such a big relief 😂 waiting to pick up my MCX rattler canebrake I just bought.

[@jareddavis1919]

How do you like it? I’m going back and forth between the 300BLK Canebrake or the 11” 5.56 Virtus.

[@thatguy3139]

@@jareddavis1919 i haven't spent much time putting rounds through it as ammo is harder to come by but I absolutely love it. I think you just have to decide what the guns purpose will be then go from there. Hunting. CQB. Fun gun to hit targets. I think the canebrake is the hardest to come by. I got the canebrake so the handgaurd covers my suppressor and its a gun I can make compact for my backpack as I do travel through surrounding pro gun states.

[@Sharky8186]

Your lucky to have both! I only got the Honey badger, i can tell you that even after 1000+ rounds w/o cleaning i never had to change the gas setting and i shoot both sub and super back to back. Thanks for the vid!

[@jameswright5728]

Gross. Wouldn't want you next to ME in a shootout

[@DatNguyen-sr6rv]

for anyone questioning the ballistics of a 556 out of a 5.5" barrel, at the muzzle, the ballistic is the same as a 16" rifle at 300 yards. the 556 at 5.5" is roughly 1800-2000 depending on ammo, thats plenty to do the work from 150 yard and in, 200yard is pushing it for the rattler in 556. at 200yard it has roughly the same ballistic as as a round being fired from a 16" barrel out to 600 yard.

[@ronin2167]

Anything less than 2600fps from the 5.56 takes away from its lethality and original design and intention to fragment and sprawl. Sure it will still do the trick, but you aren't capitalizing on the benefits the round gets from a longer barrel. The 300 black outshines the 5.56 when it comes to a short barrel. Wouldn't ever go less than 10.5 with a 5.56. That's just me.

[@Catgat37]

@@ronin2167 At least you say that is just you. Yes, it is essentially a 22 magnum in this configuration. Is 22 magnum enough? Yes....yes it is. Would it be my first choice in a home defense scenario? Hell no (my ears). Am I going to buy one anyways? Absolutely.

[@damienvoable]

You could have just bought the 556 barrel for the 300blk rattler. Changes the caliber in about 2 mins

[@compositetiger]

What’s your opinion of the HB stock? It doesn’t seem very functional.

[@EchoDelta2A]

Definitely seemed more flimsy than the collapsible brace that's available on the MCX line. The rails on the HB are aluminum and thin while the rods on the MCX are round and steel. With that said, I never felt like the one on the HB wasn't functional... Just didn't seem as dependable or able to withstand punishment.

[@RPL00727]

What are your thoughts on the Rattler vs DD PDW vs Maxim Defense? I need some help. Appreciate your response.

[@EchoDelta2A]

Although I haven't owned the DD or Maxim, I'd say that your best bet will be between the DD and Rattler. Both platforms are proven, easy to use and operate, and they are going to retain value over time. The Maxim line has had problems in the 300BO variant, but it's worried some buyers as to the overall quality control coming out of the company. Between the DD or Rattler, you can't go wrong. It just comes down to personal preference based on looks, ergos, and piston vs DI.

[@paybacksabitchFMJM]

Q Honey Badger all the way. I’ll take my thunder chicken and HB SBR over ANYTHING else on the market any day of the week.

[@casawimill]

I second this statement...love mine also

[@baddgoat85]

Agreed!!

[@bradarmstrong7467]

I am with you brother! I have had two thunder chickens in jail for a year now (one for HB, the other for mini fix) waiting on that phone call…….

[@metanwe4399]

Hi, I appreciate if you could help me because I bought rattler 556 last week brand new but on the range I could use only 4 rounds. It did not eject. Did not feed the next round either . I adjusted gas vale but still the same result . Please advise .

[@FuzzNiner]

I had some issues with my 300 blk with subsonic rounds. Contacted Sig Sauer and they recommended when you first get it, so a solid clean and lube. They come with a antitrust coating to protect it from rust from factory to store to owner. It’s not as smooth as normal gun lube and can cause issues. I gave it a good clean and lube. Working good now! Not sure if that applies to your 556 version but worth giving it a shot before you give up on it. It’s been amazing since and I love this rattler!

[@Catgat37]

@@FuzzNiner You are supposed to clean and lube all firearms before shooting

[@FuzzNiner]

@@Catgat37 That’s not the point. I don’t have issues with my other firearms new from factory. Sig puts a dryer thicker lube from factory because Sigs typically sit on the shelf longer due to their pricing. Even after typical light cleaning it still had issues. Had to really scrub the shit off. Maybe it was that. Maybe it was break-in but everything runs smoothly now.

[@Catgat37]

@@FuzzNiner yeah, that would be what I would say. I just put a 556 rattler on layaway at local range. I saw it online and hoped they would still have it. Turns out they had 10 in the back.

[@FuzzNiner]

@@Catgat37 lol nice. Congrats on your purchase. Love that little monster.

[@kentoncarter5613]

I love it, but for my first rifle, I have to go 300 blackouts and get lighter rounds when I need speed or get a 556 conversion.

[@treeightoh3003]

Not many hb videos on KZbin in general but I seem to watch this one on occasion but hb all day. I saw hb pistol on gunbroker few days ago went for 4,056 🤑🤑🤑 and another fir 3800 crazy!!!!!

[@wallstbull1]

I snagged a HB SBR (factory new) on gunbroker about 2 months ago for $2,800. Was surprised a actually won the bid. Currently at my gun sore aaaaand waiting. Already have the Q Trash Panda in Hand 😀

[@jalexandr55]

I've fired 5.56 out of an 11" barrel -and it was 'deafening !' Can't imagine what its like with a 5" barrel. IMHO -If you go that short .300 BLK is your round

[@EchoDelta2A]

Agreed. I've changed my mind since this video and I'm of your same mindset now

[@gloglo1275]

Or just get the x kit. I have the rattler on .300 BO with the 556 x kit and it takes less than 5 minutes to swap calibers.

[@oceres]

Curious why you got rid of the canebrake? because in the end you wanted the .556?

[@EchoDelta2A]

The handguard on the canebrake was just too fat lol. In all honesty, the 300BO variants are still superior, despite what I claimed in this video. I've changed my tune a lot since then, but the canebrake was not comfortable to shoot. Too front heavy with too girthy a handguard

[@oceres]

@@EchoDelta2A now if 300 ammo would get to a reasonable price:)

[@TheFLiZiP]

@@EchoDelta2A would love to see update vid on how the badger has held up and performed over the years

[@SuperMarshall2009]

I think you made the right choice by rattler in 5.56. While inefficient barrel and cartridge combo its far more economical. When 300 AAC = $1 per round, and 556 is 1/4th of that - who cares how inefficient it is as long as it is enough to take out targets at the distances you need (this isn't a 300 yd gun!). Even with the short barrel - it is more powerful than 9mm.

[@iceblock3]

Do some honey badgers have spots on them / weird coloring spots from the anodizing ?

[@EchoDelta2A]

Never seen any 🤷

[@iceblock3]

@@EchoDelta2A update lube oil from factory buy was dried on there but anyways got the honey badger thanks to your video helping me choose

[@skoolynugenator1802]

If cost and availability is considered, Rattler all the way. But if I had my choice it would be the Honey Badger. Actually it would be both.

[@forestfinegan2398]

LOL

[@antonioprado8068]

The rattler is actually cheaper?

[@ashsherman]

​@@antonioprado8068 really? A but surprised with sig's pricing

[@EchoDelta2A]

Lots of great debate over the effectiveness at 300 yards. Most of the research says that the energy sustained by good ammunition at that range would be comparable to a 45ACP or subsonic 9mm. Maybe won't have the same impact, but similar energy. With that said, my conclusion would be that I wouldn't want to be standing at 300 yards away and be shot at by the 5.56 Rattler to figure it out lol!

[@thaoch50253]

Can you buy a 300blk out conversion kit or upper for the rattler?

[@EchoDelta2A]

Yes, indeed. That's the plan now.

[@paybacksabitchFMJM]

It’s called a barrel swap.

[@rx5969]

Ok so show about Rattler Vs MCX Virtus Pistol?

[@teamslaiyans3808]

What caliber are these ? These are better then ARs ?

[@rossauce12]

Did you not watch any of the video? He literally says about ten times and about the whole point of the video.

[@banksta3]

I'm really leaning towards the Radian Model 1 9" .300 pistol. But the Honey Badger is right there.

[@user-bc1kp1sl2e]

Holosun FDE! Looks nice

[@MR-kl2ul]

In 5.56, can you shoot 22lr yet?

[@tf201]

This only has like what 3” of usable barrel for that bullet to spin up?

[@EchoDelta2A]

Yeah, it's not much and not enough for 5.56. I have changed my opinion since that 300BO is superior at these shorter barrel lengths and surprisingly easier to find than 223/5.56 in times of panic buying.

[@StevenSmith-pt8rz]

Consider this if you fire a 5.56 out of the 5.5” barrel of a rattler and it has a 1 in 7 twist barrel . Then the bullet is not going to make a full rotation before it leaves the barrel and will not be stabilized well . Hurting accuracy and groups.

[@alhrosik6789]

I have multiple calibers in the AR. Platform but for pistol length barrels hard to beat the performance of a 300blk out. Wolf polyformance now avail for 20-30 cents a round.

[@rickysantana5658]

😂 20-30 cents a rnd. Yeah ok

[@jeremy2255]

M.V Is going to be slow for 5.56 with that barrel. What really counts is going to be the B.C of the .224 projectile vs a pistol projectile.

[@Gen_ShadowCompany_203]

*Fun Fact:* The Rattler is secretly featured in Modern Warfare. Be advised, the gun is a specific blueprint for a specific gun. Can anyone guess which gun and what blueprint?

[@elijahporter7725]

M13

[@Gen_ShadowCompany_203]

Update: they're making more exact blueprints of the gun.

[@piyarathdejthamrong6189]

What is the effective range on the mcx rattler 5.56?

[@mauricemaurice123]

Piyarath Dejthamrong no where near 300

[@sneakyhenry16]

5 yards

[@show2ime]

Ask someone to stand it front of it at 100 yards since it is not effective. Mine runs great- do not believe these keyboard commandos. This is a defense weapon and as a civilian if you are shooting someone at 200 yards you better have a compelling self defense case.

[@sneakyhenry16]

@@show2ime 5.5" barrel in 5.56 for self defense is stupid plain and simple. Lack of show2ime go back to playing your call of duty and leave self defense talk to competent adults.

[@Hank-ch5qr]

Shtf scenario I'm wearing my ar15 in 556 around my neck like a rapper wears a gold chain I'm not even fkn with trying to hide a rattler. In normal life I'm having my rattler in the smallest easy access backpack and my glock 20 carry gun

[@jc51373]

Nice review, thanks...Curious how you secure these things? I want one wife is giving me shit about the kids and locking them up. You like the Vaulteks floor standers?

[@FX_Bull_Rider]

flash forward to 2023 no braces lol

[@EchoDelta2A]

Today's era would be the equivalent of prohibition 😂

[@bmwrepaircrew8848]

So my question is, wouldn’t it make more sense to have an AK pistol? 1. Piston system/reliability 2. Cheap and widely available ammo 3. Better ballistics from 7.62 in a 7-7.5” barrel than 5.56 Not stating these as facts, seriously wanting input/perspective on this as to why or why not

[@EchoDelta2A]

Yes, it would be. I changed my opinion shortly after this video, but I opted for 300BO, only because of its versatility and selection of ammunition. The only hesitation I'd have with an AK pistol would be the harder recoil from that long stroke piston, along with any limitations you'd have for mounting optics or accessories (depending on what kind of AK pistol we're talking about, obviously).

[@bmwrepaircrew8848]

@@EchoDelta2A Thanks 👍. What about just using a 7.62 pistol upper on the AR? Obviously not as good of options for running subs/supp than 300blk but vs 5.56 it’s cheaper and better ballistics. Could even just swap barrel and BCG on the honey badger and make your own variant in 7.62

[@EchoDelta2A]

I've heard lots of horror stories about 7.62x39 AR uppers. Never owned one myself so this is just hearsay, but I'd be hesitant unless it was an upper that's proven to be reliable for an AR platform.

[@bmwrepaircrew8848]

@Frank Bonazza III 👍👍 yep I actually have 3 7.62 uppers and all have the enhanced pins, supposedly you can also shave the shoulder on the standard pin, but for the price it’s not worth the effort. I foolishly chose 16” on a 300blk upper…never shoot it, but it might it be worth just getting a 7.5-10.5” barrel? I guess to me these are more for fun and I’d rather not pay $.75-1+ per round just to practice with. But to your point 300blk subsonic has big advantages. Thanks for the reply

[@bmwrepaircrew8848]

@Frank Bonazza III thanks! Yeah I need to look at reloading, apparently it’s daily straightforward and 556 brass can even be stretched/reamed? Yep I should have thought more on barrel length but maybe I’ll just change the barrel out - I also heard 5.56 bcgs work so I could just buy some 7.5-10.5 300 barrels and swap a few 5.56 uppers into 300 possibly? Or maybe the extractors are different?? What we really need to learn is reloading 50 bmg 😉😉 Thanks again 👍👍

[@miamipipe-hitter2961]

how loud is it ???

[@EchoDelta2A]

Stupidly loud. Very similar to the blast of a SCAR 17.

[@chriscorbo8392]

7 what ?! for a sub gun? Holy shit!

[@DJ_Driven]

I would go with honey badger & HK SP5K PDW. 556 short barrel massive velocity loss & tendency to key hole that stock SIG brace sux. Check out the lancer FDE smoked magazines would look better on that HB.

[@EchoDelta2A]

My man! kzbin.info/www/bejne/h4TYlZuQeZuEf6c

[@reapering125]

i lost brain cells watching this

[@AbelCompanyArms]

🤣 dude has no clue what he’s talking about

[@BigHead104]

I’d rather have 9mm than try to protect myself with 5.56 out of a 5.5” barrel. The DI system is well proven. I challenge you to try and induce a malfunction shooting that honey badger. I would be surprised if it had so much as a hiccup before 2k rounds.

[@EchoDelta2A]

There's a follow-up video where I denounce my original claims lol. You're correct, Ryan.

[@bradarmstrong7467]

Ok, having owned both, my personal experience is: the sig in .556 as opposed to the Honey badger is heavier, night and day louder (I called mine the fire breathing dragon even with flash suppressor) people would come up to me at the range wanting to know what the cannon was I was shooting, it was not nearly as comfortable shooting as the HB, largely for those two reasons. Put a can on it and it sounds like the HB with no can. The only reason that anyone imho would choose this is because of ammo cost and availability. But frankly a .556 needs to have at minimum a 12, preferably 16 inch barrel to burn those gases or you will have issues. As far as a pdw goes it’s Honey Badger all day long. Now are there other .300 blk PDW out there? Sure and many are good, (I also own a CMMG banshee, it works well, is it as light and compact as the HB? Not close. ) If you want to reach out and touch someone at 800 to 1000 yards get an 😮8.6 black out if that’s your thing. Heck it will take a bear or lion or Rhino for that matter but you want a CQC or PDW if you will, get the right tool. The Honey Badger is the best tool available for that job IMHO

[@Travis851200]

3:28 two hands big fella

[@EchoDelta2A]

Production has ramped up since then. 2 hands are in your face 99% of the time. The 1% is private. 😁

[@mbh8621]

Rattler ftw

[@brandonmellor4439]

Michael H gay

[@newera3757]

send the letter now: kzbin.info/www/bejne/baqsnnuhpM6ko80

[@adventuresoftigtourettesin5885]

Daniel defense ddm4 pdw 300 bo

[@mikemuha7537]

Why didn't you just get the barrel for the Rattler? That way, you can have both abilities. Only $600.00 option and 10 minutes.

[@EchoDelta2A]

As a matter of fact, I recently sold the Honey Badger and was hoping to do exactly that lol. Good call Mike!

[@TXchadTX]

Yea the piston system is great but a 556 out of a tiny barrel is turning it into a hot 22 magnum. If I were you I'd take an effective round over a "cleaner running system" for defense.

[@EchoDelta2A]

True. I've changed my tune a lot since this video. I completely agree with you.

[@rarityd]

HoneyB all the way any day

[@Villainyjustified]

5.56 sbrs aren't the best idea. Other calibers do what sbrs want to do better.

[@hoaxiepokxie900]

Should have just made it 22lr with a 556 that short, it just Expensive noise at this short of barrel. i tested it 7 inches is a wash for fps no. 5.5 inches 22lr is better!

[@davedave2941]

You dont have to tweak the DI on the HB - I had more problems w/the rattler and last round bolt lock with subs. As for a rattler running cleaner than a DI .... nope! A lot of unburnt powder another problem with the rattler - as for you comparison - look at ballistic / terminal ballistic data ... you are trying to compare apple 556 to 300BO orange .... both are very different .... 556 more so out of a 5” barrel which is actually shorter once round is chambered ... only have about 3” of barrel... just saying 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@kevinmarrett9532]

The cleaning “issue” is a non issue. There is absolutely zero chance that you will ever go from “clean gun” to “firing so many rounds that it’s too dirty to work”. If you do, that’s a problem of you just deciding not to clean it.

[@EchoDelta2A]

I disagree, so long as you can adjust the gas on the go. If what you’re saying is true, there would be no reason for any rifle (DI or piston) to have an “adverse” gas setting. Granted, it would take a helluva lot of rounds, but you’re forgetting about other elements. Dirt, sand, grit, carbon. All of those things together can cause issues within a couple thousand rounds. Sure, that’s a lot. When SHTF, you’ll hit that many rounds within the blink of an eye. Cleaning your gun will be an afterthought.

[@forestfinegan2398]

DUDE!! DONT FKN POINT THAT SHIT IN MY FACE!!!!1

[@EchoDelta2A]

Dude, turn down your anxiety. You're watching a video

[@MrCashewkitty]

The perfect PDW is out there....fuggin HK won't sell it to us! Haha

[@EchoDelta2A]

Tell me about it. I'm still waiting for Tommybuilt to give me an unexpected boner one of these days and announce a clone 😂

[@MrCashewkitty]

@@EchoDelta2A you see the blurred Tommy Built news???? Ask and ye shall receive! Haha

[@Unionco56]

Is the muzzle device on the 5.56 rattler permanently attached?

[@paulxiong9526]

Good question.

[@EchoDelta2A]

I've currently got my barrel removed, and it definitely seems like they didn't intend for it to come off. With that said, I'm sure there's a way to do it, but the threads ride directly under the gas black and there's a pin in place to keep it captive. I was going to try to replace it with a brake until I saw the challenge involved in removing it. Not worth the headache.

[@Unionco56]

esho david I appreciate the info! So far the only one I have seen address the issue is jarod from PMM. He basically said it’s something that can be done but really shouldn’t lol

[@jeremy2255]

That is not just a clear coat over raw aluminum. It is a proprietary coating to the Honey Badger! It is a gorgeous Billet aluminum receiver! A fine weapon indeed!!!!!

[@Rb889]

DI will continue to run until parts failure; carbon, when heated, does function as a primitive lubricant. Suppressed is where you'll run into issues with fouling and heat gumming up any lubrication you have on the BCG. Even so, it will take more ammo than you'll typically carry to do so, and a quick wipe down with oil will suffice for maintenance. DI functions better with a longer barrel/gas system, though it can be made to work with a suppressor quite well with a dedicated setup like what KAC does. The 5.56 Rattler needs specialized ammo to be an effective weapon, which kinda negates the benefit of being compatible with common 5.56, though it will always be more effective than 9mm ball. Still waiting to see gel/barrier testing with M855A1 out of the Rattler... I get the feeling that would still be a fairly effective cartridge. Any experience with a flash can on it? IE, Surefire Warden, or something similar.

[@BossHugo84]

I think that the Daniel DDM4 PDW is way better then the Sig Sauer

[@show2ime]

Not hardly- I own both and the sig is what I shoot better with. And I say this owning 5 Daniel Defense rifles

[@intensity75]

I agree with you, there’s a reason it’s over $2000, reliability and quality

[@BossHugo84]

@@intensity75 omg this post is so old lol Ghetto Blaster Over everything and then Rattler lol now

[@BossHugo84]

Noveske Ghetto Blaster it's like that Honey Badger . But it actually Runs when it's dirty

[@kennyphelps1160]

People like you making videos coming out and admitting that you plan on using the damn arm brace as a stock are the reasons that we are having the bullshit today with Q honey badger and all the other shit just keep it to yourself man it doesn’t need to be said on a video we all know

[@lordhuck2689]

Soooo, if you’re going to use 5.5 inch barrel. wouldn’t you rather be pushing a hot 9 mm load at 2000 ft./s rather than an anemic 556 load at 1800 ft./s? Or am I missing something? The 9mm is going to make bigger holes and at higher speed.

[@EchoDelta2A]

Even out of a 6" barrel, the best a 9mm could do is 1500fps. Nowhere near 2000 even out an 18" barrel. And, you get more bullet drop with a 9 with a sub 6" barrel, after 100 yards or so. I'd still take any rifle round over a 9mm if I had a choice. It's the reason why guns like the MP7 and P90 were created to begin with. In all honesty, though, the difference in ballistics with the 9 and 5.56 out of a short barreled sub gun would be too close to really argue about.

[@lordhuck2689]

@@EchoDelta2A I’m sorry, but you appear to be ill-informed on modern 9 mm loads and ballistics. Civil defense makes a 9 mm that does it out of a 5 inch barrel at 50 grains that does 2000 ft./s. Most common grain weight of a 556 is 52 grain so I think that’s close enough Ill take the specialty nine over the anemic 556. If we’re limiting ourselves to a barrel under 6 inches.

[@EchoDelta2A]

Point taken, but it's +P ammo you're talking about, and hollow. Not sure how many sub guns actually can take +P or hollow, but many can't. Not to mention that it's going to be a tall task to find one particular kind of ammo in order to justify that viewpoint. The whole debate is based on ballistics on common ammo, but yes. If I had to choose between 52gr 5.56 ball and your super 9mm ammo, you'd be right. In either case, it's an old video and I've reverted to 300BO based on this very argument.

[@sneakyhenry16]

@@EchoDelta2A Not True!

[@groundz3ro4]

honey bagger clip release always spins around and gets stuck terrible design

[@MrCashewkitty]

I also think your lack b of faith in the DI system is unwarranted. We've even seen SOCOM and JSOC carrying DI again.

[@EchoDelta2A]

I wouldn't call it a lack of faith. After much reflection since this video, I'd call it straight laziness 😂. Less cleaning makes me happy.

[@MrCashewkitty]

@@EchoDelta2A can't blame you there. I think both systems are great and have their purpose for sure.

[@ipanzerschrecku4732]

Are you allowed to play with your guns on grandmas table?

[@EchoDelta2A]

Tee-hee. As long as they were cleared off the table before her stew was ready, it was fair game!

[@miketheman4341]

There is no such thing as a perfect weapon given that there is no one do all weapon. In an urban environment you could argue that an PCC is a great option. You are trying not to kill your neighbors when you miss who are not a mile away unlike in rural America.

[@chaluevang9863]

If I had one gun it well be a mini ak with a stock it well go bang every time

[@brandonmellor4439]

Honey badger >> own both

[@hoaxiepokxie900]

Funny things people do, because it looks cool! its like shooting 50bmg in a smooth bore 12guage shotgun. what a waste of a cartage and time.

[@StevenSmith-pt8rz]

I found that out the hard way. 25yd groups of 8 to 10”

[@virtual_vanitas]

I really like both these guns but the honey badger simply has nothing on the MCX when it comes to utility. The honey badger is good but the MCX is better and even steps on the toes of the beloved MP5.

[@leaningforward]

MP5 Gods are not happy with you! :o)

[@dubdzine]

Do you guys really think that raw 6 series aluminum looks like honey and 7 series dark grey, LOL

[@TheFLiZiP]

It's not raw it's when they clear anodize it

[@azuldefiler674]

Too bad the AR15 format just died per the Army. Now gun manufacturers can stop making those stupid uppers with the ridiculous charging handle.

[@j.dieason7527]

Don’t trust the honey badger? Cmon man, the honey badger and it’s lil bro the sugar weasel and great firearms that can be trusted. F sig

[@arjones2330]

In reality🤣🤣🤣.

[@EchoDelta2A]

Read your history, might help

[@arjones2330]

@@EchoDelta2A no disrespect brother. Love my 2a/gun people. Just loved all your scenerios.

[@Anwuli832]

5.56 in a 5.5" barrel.. cmon bro.. it's the same velocity as 300blk but the bullet is half the weight.. and the whole shtf thing, 500 rounds is more than enough.. there is nothing to shoot.. you have 90 rounds yeah you're probably good.

[@EchoDelta2A]

You're right. See my Honey Badger Revisited video for that correction. 😁

[@StevenSmith-pt8rz]

To put it bluntly I own a 5.56 rattler it is a piece of crap . Have tried different bullet weights and manufacturers. At 25 yd. I am getting 8 to 10” 5 shot groups. Pulled the barrel cleaned and inspected looked fine. Reinstalled barrel and torqued back to spec. No improvement after retesting. The gun ran with no failures. But with this accuracy it is worthless. Tried to sale to a gun shop to try and get some of what l paid for it back. But because of the b.s. the atf is pulling they are not buying.If you are thinking about a rattler. Go with a 10” AR pistol is my recommendation. And don’t say the problem with the accuracy is me. I am a experienced long range shooter with 45yr. experience.. Basically I figure I have flushed $2,400.00 down the toilet. End of comment.

[@EchoDelta2A]

Damn, that sucks. I do agree with you, though. I've definitely changed my mind since this video and agree that 300BO is way more effective and practical at these shorter barrel lengths.

[@geoschiffer867]

your camera work makes me sea sick!!! just hold it still, eh/

[@thestacche6898]

Lol at pistons being more reliable

[@jamesboord8997]

5.1 lbs empty.

[@baddgoat85]

You wouldn't trust the honey badger with your life? Seriously? That thing will never fail you. So far, the consensus seems to be honey badger from the comments.

[@EchoDelta2A]

In retrospect, yes. The Honey Badger was the better choice.

[@baddgoat85]

@@EchoDelta2A although I would absolutely LOVE to have the rattler. CZ 🦂 scorpion wouldn't be bad either. I also wouldn't mind seeing a 9 mm option for the HB.