Sig Sauer P220 and P227 Comparison

[@2010tck93]

The 220 was a faithful companion for 22 years of this copper! It's now retired with a new Black T finish and still going strong. Thanks for the video comparison... Sometimes the old guns are the still the best....

[@austinb8578]

+2010tck93 Thank you very much for watching and great to hear it served you so well and kept you safe!

[@TheBoxingCannabyte]

Got me a SIG P220 that is nearly 40 years old and it runs as good as my HK P30! (which is the epitome of out-of-the-box combat pistols chambered in 9mm, someone find me a better gun than the HK P30 that isn't some $1500k + custom piece and I'd like to know about it! Maybe the Rex Zero? anyway sorry, brain damaged, autistic, PTSD-addled combat vet here so I ramble quite often) I wish I could have carried the P220 in more than a few situations, I went from the M9 1st tour to Glock 19 2nd tour but my third I wasn't in the same type of job, much closer up so I was one of the few pulling the good ol' HK Mark 23 SOCOM out, but IMO the SIG P220 is as good a gun, similar capacity depending on the mags, the P227 is a more accurate comparison but to me they are all three of the best combat .45s made. All beating the 1911, especially the HK Mark 23s V1 trigger (For combat, noit match-shooting

[@cthuhu669necronomicon8]

Yes, I like my Sig Saur P220 as much as my Glock 21, H&K USP.45 (full size),Series 80 Colt 1911, and Smith and Wesson M&P .45. These are my favorites when it comes to full size .45ACPs (which is my favorite handgun cartridge, with the .40 S&W a very close second).

[@MDpolo]

2010tck93 If you had to purchase a 45 ACP today for service, which would you pick? Thank you.

[@jimh4949]

@@MDpolo I would go with the P220

[@gerybastiani1578]

I bought a p220 in November to replace the Browning BDA 45 which was the Sig p220 sold under the Browning name from 1978 to 1981. then in February 2019 I picked up a Sig p220 carry. enjoying both weapons

[@dontshoot100]

Good video. I own both a p220 without rails and a P227 tacops with suppressor sights and the slides both interchange with each other - but the slide catch will not work on the p227 when the p220 slide is on it. The magazines for the 227 will not push high enough to engage the slide release / hold open lever. I use the safariland 6378-477 holster for the p-226R (PRAIL) for both these pistols. The holster rubs slightly on the front suppressor height sight when drawing; but will draw without snagging. Hope this helps and Sig .45 acp collectors.

[@Blakgun]

Great review. It showed me exactly what I wanted to see. Thank you.

[@strat1080]

The P220 with the factory plastic grips is as thin as a 1911. It’s a great classic gun

[@Tranefine]

I wish the P220 would still made in 9mm. Especially since SIG has discontinued the production of the P225A1. Fortunately, I have a ex Swiss Armed Forces P220 (P75) at home! A great pistol!

[@deucedeuce1572]

Wish they made an 80% P227... but I think it's only for P220, P226 and P229.

[@3.2Carrera]

Just to keep it stock for stock, I measured my old W. German 1990 P220 with the factory plain black checkered grips and they measure 1.230" in width.

[@lexevo]

The 220 saved my life or at least a violent beating and robbery. Love that gun. I hope to never get in another gun fight. Terrifying experience. A little more comfortable sitting under your pillow as well with the thinner grip.

[@teller1290]

On the job or home defense?

[@lexevo]

At home in a good neighborhood, good people get hit all the time where I’m from.

[@teller1290]

@@lexevo how's your hearing? You're probably younger than me (60) but have hearing checked. There can be immediate or delayed effects from unprotected gunfire, esp INDOOR gunfire. I never had your experience but I carried with job for 20 and popped a lot of caps (always with govt muffs...2d rate). Seven months before retirement, I get hit with a brand new friend for life... tinnitus (crickets forever, nonstop), complete (three yrs later) with 10-15% high freq hrng loss. I want to go with suppressor and even bought threaded barrel for 220 but shooting with my suppressor on Glock 21SF has been very disappointing as far as accuracy goes. Main thing, as you know, in gun fight is survival. But once that's been accomplished, it'd be nice to hear normally. But these suppressors are more problematic than I realized ...besides wait and cost. Congrats on making it through.

[@lexevo]

@@teller1290the adrenaline was so high, I didn’t even hear the shots go off. Not that it was deafening, I just didn’t have time to notice the noise. My hearing is amazingly good, and it’s a curse for me 39 now. I hear every rattle possible in my car and every pebble that gets stuck in my treads. I never use hearing protection while firing 5.56, .308, 300 wing mag or hand guns. I hope to get my hearing down to where I don’t hear these little rattles, but unsuccessful so far. I’m being serious btw. But yeah, indoor gun fight, the hearing is the least of my problems. That being said, a .50 bmg is no joke without hearing. But it rattled my brains more then disturbed my hearing.

[@teller1290]

@@lexevo don't take nothing for granted. "The warranty," as an old friend told me 20 yrs ago, doesn't wear out til age 45 and the damage is cumulative. When my crickets and 15 high freq hrng loss started at age 56, there was no hint...just BOOM there it was forever. And maladies, once started, tend to get worse as you age from there. Best deal: do smart things to never get the malady to begin with. Tempting fate has never been a great strategy and hoping for hrng loss...well...not good. You may get what you wish for but not on your terms.

[@gunchief0811]

Good review... I own the p220 And at 930$ plus tax and dros. Etc... I am. Good to go. With the. 220 I like. That sig has come out with a higher capacity 45 ACP. Like the 220. But. Whatever at this point I got 8+1. And the p220 is very a curate for me out to 50 meters. So it's a defensive side arm and it works. Very well.

[@TheBoxingCannabyte]

Damn, price is going down! (elaborate post on preferences) I picked up an HK P30 SK (backup) and SIG P220 Carry (duty), got both for $1250! Getting me my old service pistol back which were an M9 and then an H&K Mark 23 (though it wasn't a popular load-out option unless specifics required it, I was great with it. wasn't much heavier than the M9 anyway) $500-650 for an HK P30 and HK P30 SK LEM, I have seen DAK-Trigger SIG P226 in .40 for $649 today, barely used, and a great DAK trigger SIG P239, a SIG P227 /w SRT trigger for $720. My P220 was made not even 1 year ago, came with three magazines, I had a 10% vet discount so I got $75-ish off but still...amazing price @ $620 (After tax and discount). Personally I like the SIG P220 more than the SIG P227 as well. Can't go wrong with either but you can carry the single-stack with great comfort in a shoulder holster, my 6"4 arse carries it OWB or IWB pretty easily. IMO you picked the #2-3 best defensive sidearm ever made, I consider the HK MARK 23 SOCOM to be the best and the HK P30/Beretta M9 and SIG P220-226 (the 9mm and .45 versions, the .40s are just fine too but...im partial to the .45 myself, like you :P ), not saying I'm the best authority but I AM an authority on the subject. I have extensive firearm and combat experience where a sidearm has saved my life and the SIG P220 is counted among that, the M9 a

[@TheBoxingCannabyte]

daaaamn, $930? What model? Hope you got the Equinox or Match Grade Elite! .... Still, can't go wrong, I'd pay $900 for any of my HKs or SIGs happily, I just...y'know, don't, unless they are match grade.

[@TheBoxingCannabyte]

get a 10+1 round mag for your carry and use the 8+1 mags as backup, you'll never actually reload in a firefight (look at the civvy statistics on this, if you did you;'d be the exception proving the rule). Since you got the full size grips and are likely carrying OC or semi-concealed you might as well carry 11 rounds of +P of your choice (Speer Gold Dot 200 grain, also some of the Wilson Combat .45 ACP rounds look great, Buffalo Bore, etc...Speer is probably in the top-5, I recommend checking out SIG's 185-200grain +P V-crown JHPs, very non-traditional JHPs. Got some for my .38 and they work great, a smidge over-penetration but still great)

[@rusharley134]

I have a P220 with night sights made in 2003. Absolutely love it!

[@pinkiewerewolf]

Excellent comparison without totally boring us with specs that we can look up. The grip comparison, mic'd out, was a good visual.

[@austinb8578]

pinkiewerewolf Glad you liked it!

[@SpicyRok7482]

The example given of the difference of the grip thicknesses might have been better illustrated if the two mag wells had been shown. Also, maybe more of the later models produced are available with the E2 ( Ergonomics Squared ) grip. This newer grip effectively "narrows" the thickness of the grip frame as well as decreases the trigger reach. It is intended to appeal those shooters who do not possess "Paul Bunyan" hands.

[@georgebender7519]

@@SpicyRok7482 where that my be the case having the E2 for a better trigger reach, I opted for the short reach trigger and kept the G10 grips which are phenomenal!

[@SpicyRok7482]

@@georgebender7519 Practically ALL of the non-polymer framed guns come w/short-reach-trigger. Its the "other" SRT ( short-RESET-trigger ) that is an option, or standard on the higher-end models ( Elite, etc. ).

[@georgebender7519]

@@SpicyRok7482 whatever trigger mine came with was not working for the ability to reach it for a good purchase. All I know after buying an aftermarket trigger, name on the package was Short Reach Trigger, I was able to place the first knuckle on it. Much closer. The Classic Carry Talo Edition I have did not come with it. Sounds like the others did.

[@tempusfugit7560]

The review i was looking for. thanks

[@tylerhenrich]

Great vid man. I have often wondered the differences. Thank you for the info! Happy and safe shooting!

[@Harleyforever20]

I’m looking HARD at buying one of these pistols. Thanks for the comparison up close.

[@tommygun7702]

I prefer the one with the rail I cause I can put a surefire or tlr light on . But I love both cheers.

[@scottkrizinsky]

As of June 2019 sig has discontinued the P227

[@BmorePatriot]

That so?

[@Tranefine]

Just like the P225a1... -.-

[@MrKitty-zv3dl]

P239 9mm, .357 Sig and .40 S&W is discontinued as well.

[@josecardenas4013]

Nice video, one of my favorite pistols I had was the 220 a great shooter....

[@austinb8578]

Jose Cardenas Thank you, they are both great shooters for sure!

[@lungfixer]

Great comparison video...concise and to the point. Bravo.

[@44357514]

I have both a P220-S (Stainless Sport Model) and the P227 Nitron Model. I think with only a 2 round increase in magazine capacity - it really wasn't worth the effort to create a new gun. Plus I do like the single stack magazines better and I like the Grips on the P220 better than the new E-2 Type grips that are on the P227.

[@nobodysreview6137]

i think they discontinued it now

[@jimh4949]

My P220 I have the X-Ray3 night Sights, short reach trigger and the short reset trigger, love the gun

[@rmpj13]

I have the P220 with pic rail. First firearm I bought and never getting rid of it.

[@harleysrule2176]

Here's my comparison: I sold my P227 because of the weird hump and round nature of the handle; tried the G10 grips... still didn't like it. ...and only two additional rounds. Replaced it with the thin and absolutely great P220 and do not regret it at all. IMHO

[@tommygun7702]

Good choice my brother . I got one p220r for my wife for Christmas

[@jamespisano1164]

Great weapon, albeit a bit big for IWB, I think. I really like the design and quality but I'm shocked the 226 did not come with any checkering or serrations on the front and rear grip straps...

[@KaneGregory]

I like the old grips that new sand paper wrap around grip doesn’t make my compass point north!🤯🔫🧨

[@scorch2020]

Thanks for making this vid. New to sig, been using glocks since ive been buying guns 4 yrs ago. Going with the sig p227 hopefully its cali legal if not going with p220

[@JoshOstrander14701]

Nice video. One thing not mentioned is the biggest difference of all :) Grip angle. A P220 has an "American" grip angle while the P227 has a "European" grip angle like the P226.

[@Yeti_0311]

Just what I was looking for, thanks.

[@austinb8578]

+Hickory Ogle Glad it helped!

[@lukeo9487]

Comparing the thick Hogue rubber to the hyper-thin E2 isn't exactly a fair comparison. The thickness difference is more pronounced using same style grip.

[@deucedeuce1572]

Was wondering if that had anything to do with it.

[@joshberman3415]

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.

[@deaneliot8230]

Great comparison, loved the video.

[@justinmyslive4108]

I heard somewhere they discontinued the P227

[@TheBoxingCannabyte]

I prefer the $220, got mine new with a veteran discount and E2 grips for only $650! Almost got the 227 but I honestly prefer single stack and carrying 2 10 rounders and 3 8 rounders seems good enough to me. Also HK P30 SK 9mm as backup, so im spoiled as fuck.

[@nobodysreview6137]

I think they discontinued the 227 because they were having problems with them, the P220 is proven. Why would they discontinue the 227 if it was working good, your right the new 220 with e2 grips is awesome

[@VMEMotor5]

P227 works just fine. It didn't sell as well as the P220 because it has a much larger grip. It feels a lot larger than the numbers lead you to believe. It's also heavier, so if you are carrying it, fully loaded with 230gr rounds, that weight adds up. I have both.

[@teller1290]

​@@VMEMotor5 wiki says 227 currently (?) carried by at least two state police organizations. Makes you wonder if SIG wasn't told that those agencies would order p220 but wanted 10-rd capacity...leading to 227. I can't see much of a reason otherwise.

[@aliveandwell2078]

Your not going to mention the rail on the P227? How about night sights?

[@austinb8578]

You can get the P220 with a rail and night sights as well. That is why I didn't mention those features.

[@descartespinero8521]

Hi there,I'm from the Philippines,I'm really attracted to see your video regarding P220 and P227.However,I have some suggestion if it's perfectly okay for the P227 to be modified a little bit.And here are my suggestions:Can we chambered it for the 460 Rowland and have a longer slide (6.25 inches barrel),and have the muzzle crown modified similar to that of the Hellcat X2 Commander wherein the barrel end somewhat countersunk(deep crown),and with the grip(accommodating 10+1 round) somewhat made thinner to accommodate my medium-size palm.And if it's also possible to redesigned the front portion of the grip(in a serrated appearance) to accommodate my last three lower fingers individually.I'll be very glad and grateful for your reply.

[@USMCsniperSEAL]

Just by doing the math it is a 0.08 difference, I think I will go with the P227. Thanks.

[@charlesdickens8599]

You are right about the width; in fact, the 220 with standard grips is slimmer than yours with the hogues. I prefer the 227 myself (my favorite handgun easily). I sure hope Sig creates the 227 in 10mm... that would be the ultimate. The 220 in 10mm is just a glorified 1911 IMHO.

[@teller1290]

2 rds

[@survivaleveryday]

nice job on the comparison

[@austinb8578]

Thank you!

[@j94526]

Thanks for the review! Do you have any idea why on sig sauer website they list both 220 and 227 nitron full-size as overall width of 1.5in ? Is that measurement along the slide? or just a miss representation by sig? Thanks!

[@austinb8578]

Jack A thanks for watching, I would assume Sig is measuring at the slide and including the controls which would put both at the same width.

[@soyelmasguapo]

All depend of a pair of questions.... Your hand size, and how your body big are, and your favourite outfits for conceal.... 🙄

[@D3PU7Y]

Whoa.. Where's the extractor on that old p220?

[@chadc437]

Richard Milford Its internal. That was the original design.

[@SpicyRok7482]

Internal extractor w/roll-pinned removable breech block. Newer models are produced with milled stainless steel one-piece slide w/external extractor. Older models are of formed flanges and welded carbon steel w/removable breech block.

[@rodneyrogers3023]

Are the slides the same width? I’ve been tryin to get a Kydex holster and thought maybe I can get a p220 holster for my P227

[@nathanneale1910]

Thanks for the details

[@william4400]

Nice comparison, thanks!

[@monteshanksph.d.7113]

Thanks, well done.

[@austinb8578]

+Monte Shanks Thanks for watching.

[@kevinbrady75]

im just tryna figure out is the 220 have the same grip as a 226 ?i dont like how think the 227 is

[@strat1080]

The stock p220 grips are significantly thinner. They are 1.220” wide. Very 1911esque

[@zenonayala9557]

Can you interchange the slides

[@aliveandwell2078]

Thanks Austin!

[@austinb8578]

+Tutto Bene You are very welcome!

[@reker.a5790]

They dropped the wrong gun from the catalogue in my opinion.

[@aliveandwell2078]

Does the newer model 220 come with the rail?

[@austinb8578]

+Tutto Bene It does, more info here: www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p220.aspx

[@MrTexaninNC]

Are the hogue grips different then the stock grips

[@austinb8578]

yea, original grips were checkered plastic.

[@MrTexaninNC]

+Austin B sorry I meant in width difference

[@austinb8578]

+Matthew Roll there may be a slight difference but it isnt much.

[@MrTexaninNC]

+Austin B thank you I am omw to gander mountain to get a p227 for 20% off

[@austinb8578]

+Matthew Roll very nice, congrats on the new gun, I hope you enjoy it!

[@corey2477]

4:30 p227 went away. surprise!

[@jimh4949]

I love my P220

[@gregosborne2041]

Measuring the aftermarket grips isn’t the same as stock grips! Measure frame for real comparison.

[@gman922]

Why not have them both with no mags and open then no poncing about with safety.

[@austinb8578]

Just didn't plan well enough before I started filming

[@gman922]

+Austin B Good answer Austin. Regards.

[@austinb8578]

+Graham Sherrington Thanks :-)

[@gman922]

I bought a 2009 SIG 220BR Carry SAO and I'm having trouble getting a holster for it. The slide is wider than a 220R and 226R. Don't suppose you have one and can measure the width of the slide compared to the 227R?

[@austinb8578]

+Graham Sherrington Unfortunately I don't but I wish I did!

[@michaelsubi]

Like the p220

[@tommygun7702]

Btw sig are quality guns but the paint job is shit chip fast that’s just my opinion

[@jasonking1033]

If you want a p 220 get a legion. Awesome gun

[@arigprasomthong2852]

I love P.226 more than 227.

[@alainperez6943]

p227 the best.

[@emersonglasgow948]

The P227 has had too many problems with the roll pin and some of the decockers have stopped working, I stick to the P226 9mm and the P220 45 ACP ....they have both actually work .

[@depqua7905]

Measure without grips. Since grips are different this video is almost pointless.