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@foljs58582 ай бұрын
Wrong. Both my footage and my color grading sucks
@SightseeingStan2 ай бұрын
Ouch... 😅
@SilverWiskeyStones2 ай бұрын
Get rekt....Self!
@phuotchillchillАй бұрын
True! Me too
@subhasishchristcheАй бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂
@JohnnoWaldmannАй бұрын
Both of mine too. But with practice one of those will improve.
@Azharnazar22 ай бұрын
"I've been learning color grading for the past year, and your video was incredibly helpful! Your node structure made it so much easier to understand what's happening and where things are applied. A million thanks-so many of my confusions are finally cleared up!"
@SightseeingStan2 ай бұрын
Really glad it was helpful! Thanks! 🙏
@patarman25892 ай бұрын
I’ve seen a lot of people on KZbin explain grading but I must say your workflow and explanation are awesome. Thanks for the content!
@SightseeingStan2 ай бұрын
I appreciate that! Huge thanks man 🙌
@jonathanattanasioАй бұрын
The "texture pop" is wow, I had never considered it. I coloured a V-log file of my Lumix S5 II, it already looked great before, with this method everything became easier and ten thousand times more beautiful. Thank you very much.
@SightseeingStanАй бұрын
Glad to hear it and that you found the video helpful! 🙌
@cj_modeller2 ай бұрын
I’ve watched like a thousand color grading tutorials over the last few days (zero experience or knowledge), and this is the best one, hands down. BIG thank you man!!
@SightseeingStan2 ай бұрын
Great to hear! Thanks a lot 👍
@marcinjarecki22772 ай бұрын
one of the best video about color grading. Realy. I watch 100s yt videos about color grading. 80% of technics You use, i know from other videos, but You are first one, who take all of them to one video and explain everything in simple way. Simple and powerfull grading technics. 20% of what i was missing, i found in Your video. I had a problem how to change yellow warm tones, to orange, hollywood movie style, worm tones. Thank You
@SightseeingStan2 ай бұрын
Thanks so much! Glad it was helpful man! 🙏
@BrunoVilelaIS2 ай бұрын
I always get bored with color grading tutorials. thousands of nodes and explanations that are hard to understand. Your video is great for my needs. I don't want to be a professional colorist, but I need some direction to do some color grade and some explanations about what the tools are doing in my image. Your video brought me exactly what I needed! Thank you very much!
@SightseeingStan2 ай бұрын
Glad to hear that the video was helpful to you! Thanks a lot! 🙌
@boldbearStudios2 ай бұрын
Straight to the point without any babble. Great content, thanks a lot!
@SightseeingStan2 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! 🙌
@mamoko_videoАй бұрын
Thanks for this tutorial. Really clear and simple.
@SightseeingStanАй бұрын
Glad to hear it was helpful! 🙌
@luisdiaz7205Ай бұрын
man I love the emphasis on the simplicity i think we as colorist over complicate sometimes but you did a great job
@SightseeingStanАй бұрын
Glad you liked it! Thanks!
@edgaramezquita5192Ай бұрын
I just love the new way of teaching/learning .... and you did a great job. Thanks for ur hard work and pushing the new way.
@SightseeingStanАй бұрын
I appreciate that!
@Luckymich77Ай бұрын
Thank you for frameset and all the tips from ghis video. You have helped me unlock my animation skills on unreal engine. Its like night and day after this video!
@SightseeingStan25 күн бұрын
Glad to hear that! Thanks for leaving a comment 🙌
@LukaToni84Ай бұрын
thanks for your video! that is the best and most helpful video I have watched over the 2 years I am working (amateur) on DaVinci Resolve and the first video who explained color grading perfectly!
@SightseeingStanАй бұрын
Glad it was helpful! Appreciate that 🙌
@saturn_fpv2 ай бұрын
You raise the shadow with the curve tool just to bring it down with the hdr wheel. Stuff like that will break the image qt some point. Stick to one tool for one purpose. Anyway, I learned about the compound node, so thanks man.
@SightseeingStan2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the tip! I'll look into that for sure. Glad you found the compound node helpful 👍
@SayjectАй бұрын
Hey man can I just say to someone who struggles learning things you really explain that perfectly thank you so much for your video I’m excited to learn more from you
@SightseeingStanАй бұрын
I appreciate that! Thanks 🙏
@animator99_sculpt28Ай бұрын
I would like to thanks you thousand time, I've watched many tuts on KZbin and I bet you tuts is best one for me
@SightseeingStanАй бұрын
Really appreciate that 🙏
@JacobGundesenАй бұрын
Wuaw!! thanks do much!!!! You made my colorgrading so much more simple
@SightseeingStanАй бұрын
Glad I could help! 🙌
@chrisjohnsonfilms2 ай бұрын
Absolutely great grading tutorial. Your videos are must see everytime.
@SightseeingStan2 ай бұрын
@@chrisjohnsonfilms Really appreciate that Chris! Thanks man 🙏
@RazaFilmsYTАй бұрын
Excellent tutorial, love your workflow!
@SightseeingStanАй бұрын
Thanks a lot!
@NoahBaylАй бұрын
Woooow thats gold!!! Thank you so much
@SightseeingStanАй бұрын
Glad it helped!
@waoqeeАй бұрын
Thank you for this, brother! The information on this video I had to learn throughout more than a year until I understood it fully, only if I had this video an year earlier would've saved me a ton of time! Princeless vid anyways, hope many people see it!
@SightseeingStanАй бұрын
Really appreciate that man! Glad to hear you found the video helpful 🙌
@ProduktFilm2 ай бұрын
This was just amazing! Many thanks
@SightseeingStan2 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@CwoodFPV2 ай бұрын
Awesome!!! Best workflow I've seen to date
@SightseeingStan2 ай бұрын
Appreciate that! Glad you like it 🙌
@SerjMelnychenko2 ай бұрын
Fantastic video - learnt so much from it, and will definitely try the same workflow for my clips. Thank you!
@SightseeingStan2 ай бұрын
Great to hear! Glad you found the video helpful and I hope you get good results on your footage 🙌
@joshrathbun12 ай бұрын
Thanks for making this as I am still struggling somewhat on coloring but this filled in the gaps! You the man!
@SightseeingStan2 ай бұрын
Happy to hear you found the video helpful! Thanks! 🙌
@molleancia780924 күн бұрын
Amazing, dude. Great video, thank you¡¡¡
@SightseeingStan23 күн бұрын
Glad you liked it! Thanks!
@Its_dinosaur2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the helpful content dude keep doing more
@SightseeingStan2 ай бұрын
Thanks! Glad you found it helpful! 🙏
@EricCheung2 ай бұрын
Beautiful! Great explanation too!
@SightseeingStan2 ай бұрын
Glad you liked it! Thanks 🙌
@FrankEats2 ай бұрын
This was awesome. Thank you 🙏
@SightseeingStan2 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!🙌
@mattcfilms2 ай бұрын
Great tutorial! Hope to see more!
@SightseeingStan2 ай бұрын
Thanks! Stay tuned! 🙌
@BourgeFilms2 ай бұрын
Thank you for this!
@SightseeingStan2 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@UraFlight2 ай бұрын
Amazing tutorial Stan ! Could you please show us or make a tutorial on how to change a colours of different objects without affecting for example skin tones colours ?
@SightseeingStan2 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot! Glad you enjoyed it. Sure thing, I'll keep it in mind as a potential video topic 👍
@UraFlight2 ай бұрын
@@SightseeingStan Thank you so much for your reply
@elsofokefana2 ай бұрын
Amazing dude! 🔥🔥
@SightseeingStan2 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed the video man! 👍
@xplorewithcamera2 ай бұрын
Great Tutorial .. Thank you
@SightseeingStan2 ай бұрын
Glad you liked it! Thanks 🙏
@mmoik7819Ай бұрын
Maybe for beginners it makes sense to hit the "Auto" button before starting to color grade just to get an idea where the color is off or what's going on with the original. Always helps to save a ton of time. The reference image is next level :)
@ajithkmr62Ай бұрын
You are incredible ❤
@SightseeingStanАй бұрын
Cheers! Really appreciate it 🙌
@Resol-world2 ай бұрын
You can use it with wide gamut for editing and it auto converts different camera profile automatically (if clip has it set), so think even easier to use with multiple camera. Otherwise you need to change the profile by hand in the cst nodes for different profiles.
@SightseeingStan2 ай бұрын
If that method works for you, then that's awesome! I prefer the CST method, especially when working with film emulations 👍😊
@mateostabioАй бұрын
Wow, thats a lot of work!! how would you do a video with 200 cuts?
@SightseeingStanАй бұрын
Copy paste or grade at timeline level or use groups
@elvismorellidigitalvisuala62112 ай бұрын
What an amazing and PRO workflow... can't wait to try, it works with 3D rendered images sequence ACES profile?
@xutsider2 ай бұрын
apart from learning basic exposure triangle.. this is the only video you need to see.. see my trailer for chapter 2, these are the only two things you need to study especially as a beginner for photo and video
@DreamsToRealityLLC2 ай бұрын
Thank you bro I was hoping you would do this
@SightseeingStan2 ай бұрын
Appreciate it man, glad you enjoyed it!
@nonskippable2 ай бұрын
Nice grading tutorial! I’m just not sure if the grain should be applied at the beginning. Many say it should be at the end of the pipeline. What are your thoughts on this?
@SightseeingStan2 ай бұрын
Good point and I actually had a discussion about this with a colleague. I am honestly not sure what is the 100% correct way. I've seen it both ways! I have so far not noticed a difference to be fair..
@nonskippable2 ай бұрын
@@SightseeingStan If it works, it works! 😉 I’ll check it myself. Thanks!
@zerocore_2 ай бұрын
@@SightseeingStanI spoke to a colorist who made a good point: When you grade digitised analog footage, the grain that already exists in the image gets affected by the adjustments you make. Therefore it usually makes sense to add your artificial grain before your grade.
@tacosalpaxtor2 ай бұрын
That's some knowledge you dropped man. Liked and Subd
@SightseeingStan2 ай бұрын
Appreciate that! Thanks for subbing 🙏
@carloprendon80702 ай бұрын
Do u have also film look creator tutorial? Anyway nice content man! I tried this one in my video it looks way better now than old edit videos.
@SightseeingStan2 ай бұрын
No I don't at the moment! Glad the video was helpful to you! 🙌
@probilmusic3396Ай бұрын
I just subscribed to this channel its so enjoyable
@SightseeingStanАй бұрын
Appreciate it! Thanks for subbing 🙌
@andersistbesser2 ай бұрын
Ja grading sucks with many guys. I learned the same as i learned that i dont need a better camera but better grading skill. Since i am better now my camera feels like a new one😂
@SightseeingStan2 ай бұрын
There's definitely a lof other things involved in getting good looking images besides just the camera!
@chadaway2 ай бұрын
thank you for this
@SightseeingStan2 ай бұрын
Glad you liked it 👍
@clickredeyeАй бұрын
Excellent video
@SightseeingStanАй бұрын
Thank you very much! 🙌
@Icavot07Ай бұрын
Awesome video! Do you have any Blackmagic 6K Pro tutorial to explain the correct CST?
@MattShafterАй бұрын
Now do it for those that have Davinci Studio please.
@SightseeingStanАй бұрын
@@MattShafter The workflow is the same no watter if you're using the Studio version or the free version.
@romanbruniАй бұрын
brilliant ! cheers from Rio
@SightseeingStan25 күн бұрын
Thanks! 🙌
@Sebas-sg1kjАй бұрын
Hi! Great video. Question: why you turn up the dark areas with curves first and then make them darker with hdr controls? why not to remove the curve ajustment on dark areas first? thanks.
@0vvoАй бұрын
I have question about skin tones, what is the best approach to keep the skin tones right in this type of cold film look. It is even necessary to have skin tones right if we have blue scene like this? Can you show us your skin tones on scopes after final touches? thanks a lot! ;)
@SightseeingStanАй бұрын
Not an easy question to answer so simply. There are different approaches for correct skin tones. I would say it looks nicest to have correct skin tones, but really depends on the grade. In the example of this video the skin tones are pretty much correct on the scope.
@BurlapandLight2 ай бұрын
Great video and explanation. Definitely going to be adding this to my tools to use. But, I shoot Fuji and for the input color space, fuji is not an option.
@SightseeingStan2 ай бұрын
Allthough I have no experience with Fuji footage, I've read input color space rec709 or rec2020 and gamma F-Log. Have you tried this?
@BurlapandLight2 ай бұрын
@@SightseeingStan Just tried the Rec709 for input and that worked out great!
@BurlapandLight2 ай бұрын
@@SightseeingStan I have noticed that doing it this way also bogs down my CPU and I get jittery playback after the color edit. Anyway to fix that? I make sure Resolve is the only program open as well.
@michaelp3736Ай бұрын
Do you have advice with footage that wasn’t taken in log, but just the standard of my Sony Camera or iPhone? Meaning do I simply take out the all the transform nodes?? Or a suggestion maybe do a video showing color grading that was not filmed in log. Great video though and I will try to go back to log (I’ve never liked the result because it took so long to get back to what was very close to what it looked like if filmed not in log)..
@SightseeingStanАй бұрын
Yes, your footage is then not Log but Rec709. So you could essentially use the same workflow. Normally when you convert your Log footage to Rec709, it should look pretty much the same as if you would have shot it in a standard (non log) profile...
@michaelp3736Ай бұрын
Thank you! 👍
@markdavidalcampado7784Ай бұрын
This week I guess this video stands out
@SightseeingStanАй бұрын
Thanks 🙌
@kurt_hansenАй бұрын
Hi, thanks for this, nearly the same as i am doing it...., but why not using the new Film Look node?
@SightseeingStanАй бұрын
Hey man! I actually haven't used that much so far. So I can't really say anything about it!
@markjhonvillania34892 ай бұрын
I love your workflow bro. may i ask what is the color space timeline settings for ipad pro davinci resolve?
@basedontruestories2 ай бұрын
Nice one
@SightseeingStan2 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@kristofeight96682 ай бұрын
If you correctly set up color management in project settings you don't need first CST node
@RickProductionsАй бұрын
thank you sir
@SightseeingStanАй бұрын
Glad you enjoyed! 🙌
@RapzoneProductions2 ай бұрын
Share the steps to setup for hdr workflow and export for 8bit footage and it should say hdr on KZbin after uploading.
@Salman_Quadri2 ай бұрын
Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you!!!!!
@SightseeingStan2 ай бұрын
Glad it helped!🙌
@deandaddisonАй бұрын
Yeah this is basically keys to the kingdom...
@SightseeingStanАй бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it 🙌
@herlambangtanosefren23502 ай бұрын
Nice tutor
@SightseeingStan2 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@fabiorebelopaiva2649Ай бұрын
What's best Colour Management for colour grading, HDR or Wide Gammut?
@SightseeingStanАй бұрын
I'd say wide gammut
@IntoTheLightCreativeАй бұрын
3:38 Super helpful tutorial! Thanks so much. :) Question: Why go from CST DaVinci Wide to Rec 709 and then CST Rec 709 to Cineon instead of skipping that step all together and just doing CST DaVinci Wide to Cineon? (I thought Cineon has more color info then Rec 709, so wouldn’t it be better to not go to Rec 709 until the very last step- which is what that film LUT is doing- taking it from Cineon to Rec 709. At least, that’s what I thought anyway…)
@SightseeingStanАй бұрын
The reason for that is because if you want to reduce the gain of the film LUT, you need to have that REC709 node. Otherwise you'll be going back to a log image (Cineon). I mention that in the video. If you're using the film LUT at 100%, then of course you don't need that extra node.
@IntoTheLightCreativeАй бұрын
@@SightseeingStan gotcha. Thanks for that clarification, and for the great video. :)
@quickpickleАй бұрын
Personally id remove the magenda from the skin using color slice.
@jordyissappigАй бұрын
i think ive done some wrong settings how can i see what my monitor uses?
@chrissmichaels2 ай бұрын
Fantastic. Can this type of work be used in a full-fledged Feature film??
@SightseeingStan2 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot Chris. This will work on any footage from any camera. I have never color graded a feature film but I have color graded a short film with this method.
@chrissmichaels2 ай бұрын
@@SightseeingStan That's cool. I was planning to use it on feature film.
@balamurali1784Ай бұрын
What's your system's specifications and CPU, graphic card everything
@SightseeingStanАй бұрын
I'm on a macbook pro m1
@heiko4297Ай бұрын
Wait. Could you explain, why you are doing the color space transform with so many nodes? Couldn't you just transform it straight to the point, what the "lut needs"? Why those extra steps?
@SightseeingStanАй бұрын
The first one transforms log to DaVinci Wide Gamut in order to do the grading in a wider color space. Then you go to Cineon Log for the LUT. And the extra Rec709 transform is optional in case you want to reduce the gain of the Film LUT.
@heiko4297Ай бұрын
@@SightseeingStan if I'd go from LOG to REC709 in one step (not applying a LUT), and do the grading on this one, I lose image information and actually work with less, than I captured? Oh dajum. Thank you!
@TLOverlander2 ай бұрын
So.... Crushed blacks and over saturation?
@zenitaudiovisualsАй бұрын
indeed... wrong way crushed blacks. 🤷♀
@rinkoyama813Ай бұрын
Why do you use so many color transformations? Would it be possible to use only one? Slog to film cineon and that’s it? Why do you transform it to DaVinci and then to rec709 and then to film cineon?
@SightseeingStanАй бұрын
Slog to DW is so that you can work in DW color space, which is a wider color space than slog. The last rec709 is so that you can reduce the film LUT if you want to.
@walaabahnassi10097 күн бұрын
thx bro
@badfrank8339Ай бұрын
perfect video. And what about skintone?
@SightseeingStanАй бұрын
Glad you liked it! I typically just keep an eye on the skin indicator on the vectorscope while grading
@badfrank8339Ай бұрын
@@SightseeingStan ok ok. 😊 But how to grade it without grading background? 🙏😀
@SightseeingStanАй бұрын
@@badfrank8339 Oh that would be a whole other video with using qualifiers or masking!
@badfrank8339Ай бұрын
@@SightseeingStan yeah exactly, i think i want this for christmas 🤣🤣
@SightseeingStanАй бұрын
@@badfrank8339 hahaha let me talk to Santa for ya!
@Monk.92 ай бұрын
thxxx a lot, 1 question why the grain node before the exp. node
@SightseeingStan2 ай бұрын
I don't have a specific reason for it. I've seen/heard ppl put it at the end. I haven't noticed much difference either way...
@aaronhinton92Ай бұрын
With all due respect, this is bad advice. You’re teaching bad behaviors. You should never do anything in nodes after your output transform, because you’re breaking your color management pipeline. Film looks should be built before your output to Rec709, not after. Those old film LUTs are designed for older workflows where the LUT itself is your output transform.
@HarshParmar-x3s21 күн бұрын
Correct. I don't know why but many people are doing this on KZbin 😢
@bishopbell0112 күн бұрын
I'm struggling to learn color grading cause any video that I've clicked, they're doing it. At least the tips from the video gave a good look to my clips. Still I hoping to find some "Color grading made right"
@felipesaconi62338 күн бұрын
wondering how I should configure the color normalization for a shoot performed with a iphone 15 pro (in 4k 60fps prores log). Is the input color 709? Thanks !
@momobabo5011 күн бұрын
Film grain is for the paid version
@momobabo5011 күн бұрын
texture pop aswell
@StuartHetzler2 ай бұрын
How do you know what color space goes with the film look LUT you applied?
@AndresvideoАй бұрын
If it's a Film lut that comes with Davinci, you always go with Cineon. All other online luts, you have to guess. Some are named for "log" or rec709 but others don't. Just trial and error and pay attention to not let the lut destroy your image.
@PaulPaul-vj2vxАй бұрын
why not transform directly to cinelog in the second CST-Node? why an extra node?
@SightseeingStanАй бұрын
As I explain in the video, this is for when you would want to reduce the gain of the Film LUT node. So you go back to Rec709 and not Cineon Log.
@PaulPaul-vj2vxАй бұрын
@@SightseeingStan ah, makes sense! but wouldn't it give me more quality if I would use the whole possible colorspace of DaVinci wide gamut etc to go to cinelog and change to rec 709 at last?
@deondriamichelle2 ай бұрын
Dope
@SightseeingStan2 ай бұрын
@@deondriamichelle thanks! 🙌
@HoneyBoySoSweetАй бұрын
Where can I download sample footage for practise?
@reymarkanacan49912 ай бұрын
what if I am using a macbook. what would be the Gamma in Color Transform?
@SightseeingStan2 ай бұрын
Rec709-A
@Resol-world2 ай бұрын
For the life of me, not sure why you recommend a CST node and not use the color managed workflow. It suxks to have to add that node in every clip.
@SightseeingStan2 ай бұрын
You can copy your entire grade onto all other clips with the same camera color profile. This method allows you to grade in a broader color space plus if you're working with different camera profiles I find it an easier workflow. But hey I think a lot of it also comes down to personal preference. At the end of the day, if you're getting good results that you or your client is happy with, than that is the best workflow for you!
@nicholasbrecken73572 ай бұрын
Use groups. Work smarter.
@Resol-world2 ай бұрын
@@nicholasbrecken7357Again it's built in you don't need to even assign clips to groups. Anyways all the pro classes I took recommend color managed.
@KonstantinA27films2 ай бұрын
signed up for email but have not received node tree after it. Any chance to share it.
@SightseeingStan2 ай бұрын
What email? I haven't mentioned anything like that
@KonstantinA27films2 ай бұрын
@@SightseeingStan sorry, wrong tab. you can ignore.
@trevorwild195Ай бұрын
Too bad the Film Grain and Texture Pop are only available in Studio (paid) version. The rest I can follow not too bad.
@DrewProject2 ай бұрын
If you simply start tweaking the color without any conversion why is that a mistake? (I’m on fcp, not davinci)
@SightseeingStan2 ай бұрын
You're free to start editing straight from your log footage. It's just more difficult to get accurate colors etc. Rec709 is a standard color space which most monitors display. So converting it to rec709 shows you the footage the way its actually supposed to be (what the camera captured when it was filmed and how it will be displayed on a monitor).
@landonstudiosАй бұрын
I just slide random dials till it looks alittle better then the original
@worm78612 ай бұрын
Great video. My videos are washed after export and I preview my videos with apples quicktime player. Any help here
@SightseeingStan2 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot! Make sure your output color space is rec709 gamma 2.4 or rec709 (scene). You can also check what it looks like if you import that exported file back into Davinci. Does it look washed out as well or does it look good? Quicktime or any other media player doesn't necesarilly show you a "correct" image...
@javimartinez71942 ай бұрын
its possible video iPhone log? color grading tutorial
@BOSSISBACKSTUDIOS2 ай бұрын
love from india..
@aalihimuАй бұрын
What if my monitor is sRGB?
@matthewhartman717619 күн бұрын
It's likely still 8bit, which is rec709. 99.99999% of consumer monitors, TVs, and screens on devices are in some flavor of broadcast rec709, which is why colorists transform into that color space/gamma for delivery. There is no current way to ensure 100% display color consistency across the plethora of consumer grade screens in the world, so I wouldn't worry too much about achieving the impossible.
@aalihimu19 күн бұрын
@@matthewhartman7176 thanks
@JoshuaScottApplegate2 ай бұрын
hmm, when I export the project with this workflow, its exporting with a flatter image than im viewing in davinci. Anybody else?
@JoshuaScottApplegate2 ай бұрын
oh I think my color space needed to be REC707-A for mac
@SightseeingStan2 ай бұрын
Glad you found a fix for it! 🙌
@JoshuaScottApplegate2 ай бұрын
@@SightseeingStan Yes super helpful video, thanks for the tips - brought my shitty grading on this project to something that looks half way decent - too bad I already delivered the project before seeing this HAHA
@nakinaki7991Ай бұрын
We act as we gonna create color grade like this😅
@Nidakhan.mbilal2 ай бұрын
😮😍🙌
@SightseeingStan2 ай бұрын
@@Nidakhan.mbilal 🙌
@JoshuaHardee2 ай бұрын
Im sorry, but the final grade looks worse than the film lut without the conversion. In my opinion, you overworked the grade but the talking head part of your video looked decent. So you hit the mark on your own headshot but missed the mark completely on the grade shown as an example.
@frank.arroyoАй бұрын
Nice video. But if you don’t expose properly all of this goes out the window