The REAL Reason Smash Rejected Them

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In this video I examine the strangest rejected content from Smash Ultimate. Some alternate costumes, spirits and music tracks seem so simple to include but mysteriously got cut...and why? Let's try to find the real reasons.
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[@ericriley1985]

4:35 For the record the reason why Ms. Pac-Man isn't an alt in Smash Bros. is indeed the legal problems concerning Ms. Pac-Man's ownership between Namco and GCC that's been ongoing since 2008. As for the reason why Ms. Pac-Man could still appear in the Pac-Land stage in Smash but has been phased out in rereleases of Pac-Land is because believe-it-or-not the already iffy legal situation with Ms. Pac-Man actually became even worse than they already were when GCC sold their Ms. Pac-Man ip. rights to AtGames in 2019.

[@izaacreatherishere]

Yep

[@fink_rat]

Ms. Pac-Man seems to be in permanent legal hell at this point

[@fink_rat]

@NES because they have a contract with Namco saying that Ms. Pac-Man isn't a rip off clone. It's a legal issue due to that contract

[@monkeymanx6]

Ms Pac-Man was not on Pac-Man World reboot either

[@juhadexcelsior]

@@nes5334 look at Jonii's video about it

[@scarffoxandfriends9401]

13:25 The issue with this argument is the fact the repeated color was yoshi's default. It makes more sense to cut an alternative color for looking too similar than a default. And to support this logic, Builder Mario replaced the Wario style alt for Mario. So it wasn't just a White alt replacing a white alt, but also the yellow alt replaced the yellow alt.

[@GeoshiTheRed]

Also Peach got both her white and fire/SMB colored dress too. So it makes no sense to remove the Fire Mario alt even more.

[@scarffoxandfriends9401]

@@GeoshiTheRed Peach already had both though and didn't get new costumes. Mario was in the situation of getting alternative colors and them having to cut two. It makes far more sense to cut outfits with similar colors then to cut the ones that where completely unique. Of course of these issues wouldn't be there if they just allowed some characters have 16 alts again instead of forcing everyone to have only 8. That way you could have had all yoshi colors and then have them all available in felt version as well. Wouldn't had to drop little macs alts. Characters with alternate costumes like Wario should have 8 choices from each, not 8 total. Hero could have given each 4 alts instead of just 2 and so on.

[@egateqa1351]

@@scarffoxandfriends9401 Then how come Wario has a Mario alt if Mario lost his Wario alt.

[@lasercraft32]

@@egateqa1351 Because Wario didn't get a new red palette swap to replace it... why does Mario have a Waluigi palette swap? He just does for some reason.

[@egateqa1351]

@@lasercraft32 Wario did have a red palette swap. Its based on Mario from the Jumpman days. That alt’s kept but Mario’s Wario outfit?

[@EtheRenard]

I regret that they didn't push the 8 color swap limit, for this game

[@kirby_poyo]

Yeah they definitely could have done this because in smash 4 little Mac got 16 alts which got removed in ultimate and changed back to 8

[@ehhorve857]

@@kirby_poyo wario had 12 in brawl.

[@Rot8erConeX]

I believe that every character should have more costumes (be they alt models or merely palette swaps) than the maximum number of players. That way, if you're playing in a Maximum Mirror Match, the last person to pick the character you all agreed to play, can still have a choice of what they will look like.

[@Zzaaccharay]

Maybe cause 8 player smash

[@EtheRenard]

@@Zzaaccharay They didn't limit that to 4 (except a few characters, like Bowser in Melee, if I remember correctly) in previous games :/

[@marcelopaulo446]

I really like the crafted world costume but I don't think that he should replace Black Yoshi.

[@ozjgames]

incorrect. crafted world costume is one of the worst costumes in smash ultimate

[@El_Mince]

@@ozjgames Let them be. It’s their opinion

[@ozjgames]

@@El_Mince but you don't understand. their opinion is wrong

[@El_Mince]

@@ozjgames I think the crafted costume is trash too but he isn’t objectively wrong. Besides, there’s worse

[@fnaffan621yt3]

@@El_Mince not to take sides but name one worse alt then yarn yoshi

[@Ashvee72-from-Thewildguess]

Unpopular Opinion but I actually like how Crafted Yoshi looks! I absolutely hate how the Black Yoshi was removed for it don’t get me wrong,and I wish it didn’t have to get cut,But I do like how the crafted Yoshi looks

[@judemorgan1798]

Same!! I was so upset when they removed the Black Yoshi. It was one of my favorite palette swaps. I do love the Crafted Yoshi though. But now I usually play with the Purple Yoshi since it's my favorite color.

[@jaxsterminator8634]

Crafted Yoshi is awesome, I always use that swap.

[@illford]

The texture just looks nasty i feel man. Idk it dont look real

[@CrazyYoshiBros_]

@@illfordkinda, i like it but it’s also weird

[@charlesstebbins7207]

The texture swap that can only be noticed on a high-resolution, large screen TV looks amazing? Okay? But if you see them both on the Switch screen at the same time, it just looks like 2 Yoshis.

[@aBean_y]

I like the logic behind this argument and it’s fun to dive into this, but I really just think they had to take out an alt to promote their new game and they just picked black yoshi on a whim because they had to remove one

[@animaIpath]

yeah it just happened to be the black one lmao

[@jonathanalvarez-lopez432]

25:01 Mewtwo is not the only character who got cut from Brawl. Doctor Mario and Roy were cut from Brawl as well. Fun Fact: These 3 characters went unused in Brawl.

[@nathanblackburn1193]

While I get that Crafted Yoshi is referencing the more recent game I think Yarn Yoshi would have been better with the more obvious yarn pattern plus there's a pink and a light blue coloured one to prevent repeating green again

[@UltraNurture]

7:25 I was a little surprised when Pichu didn’t get a Plusle and Minun costume.

[@GardevoirBoy]

Daisy literally had to be Peach's tomboyish doppelganger in Ultimate because she shares the same body type as Peach. Daisy was made to be Peach's tomboyish semi-clone anyway so it made sense why she became Peach's Echo Fighter.

[@RaheemRollair]

Why didn’t they make her attacks and combos different from Peach?

[@ilikethecokev2]

@@RaheemRollair Because Echo Fighters are easier to program

[@RaheemRollair]

​@@ilikethecokev2 I get that, but I'm sick of it. Can't they just hire more people? Development of Smash Ultimate came 4 years after Smash 4.

[@GardevoirBoy]

@@RaheemRollair You must be upset that Princess Daisy was treated as a rip-off of Princess Peach. As it seems, Daisy appears in video games just to capitalize on the success of Princess Peach.

[@aarong8099]

@@GardevoirBoy I don’t think anybody would argue that lol

[@MohamedMukassabi]

I was surprised to see Mario losing his Fire Flower costume, but I quickly got used to it.

[@algotkristoffersson15]

why can'ty he just have ten costumes

[@LuisRodriguez-ux7yx]

​@@algotkristoffersson15 y'know what, why not have the limit to be 10?

[@ChaseyBOIDude]

I thought Black Yoshi was removed because Nintendo thought it was racist in a way EDIT: thanks for the likes, so close to 500, after 500 let’s try to get to 1K

[@extremejetfire]

Black is a color

[@theslanksterwam561]

Its racist that they removed it

[@ChaseyBOIDude]

@@extremejetfire I know, also red, orange, yellow, green,blue,purple,pink,white and brown

[@littleclown9420]

I thought it had to do with SML

[@OOFUS4103]

@@extremejetfire nO, iTs a sHaDe!!!!1!1!!1!

[@rothgars]

maybe for the next smash game, they can have more than just 8 skins per character? that way some of them get the skins they deserve to get, and some get even more cool things, even if some of them have to be more basic. maybe they could re add fire mario, or re add black yoshi, and make felts for all of them?

[@Hunter-js2mv]

They won't make another one

[@modermousev2ofthegoldendeer]

While I liked the black Yoshi alt I feel like it was replaced purely because it was in the 8th costume slot.

[@DarkNight-bc4xk]

I hate that SSBU limits the number of costumes to 8 when they could create just more space.

[@Siiroth]

This is so true, especially when Brawl had more than 4 for most when that was the character limit

[@christianthomas8069]

This was probably due to the 3DS’s limitations. Nintendo had a weird thing of making both games exactly the same when it came to content.

[@Ealais76]

@@christianthomas8069there is no 3ds version for ultimate

[@algotkristoffersson15]

But then just add them back for ultimate scince it doesen't have versions@@christianthomas8069

[@milesfernando]

​@christianthomas8069 That doesn't make sense. 3DS and Wii U had SIXTEEN alts for Little Mac, and they had to cut it down to 8 for Ultimate. I dont see why they couldn't just do 10 for Mario, bringing back Fire Flower and Wario colour, 9 for Yoshi, black + crafted, etc.

[@azurewarrior2000]

Here's some clarification for Ms. Pac-Man. Namco *does* still own the rights to her game and her as a character. But AtGames (yeah, them) owns the royalty rights her game, meaning that even though Namco owns her and her game they have to pay royalties to AtGames if she makes an appearance or her game gets rereleased, and given the debacle of how AtGames got her royalty rights in the first place Namco isn't all too keen on paying them anything. Which is why as of now she's unfortunately being phased out.

[@randomistough0]

someone had to say it and damn right it's not gonna be me

[@joshuarivas9140]

No they don't she in copyright limbo so that's why Namco is getting her out of existence so they won't deal with copyrights

[@codybarnes857]

***go back and remove the scam ad bud***

[@BaremetalFlesh]

I have sponsor block, what was it

[@MarioToyCompany]

Established Titles ​@@BaremetalFlesh

[@LucasGnagy]

If I had a nickel for how many videos I watched today that were sponsored by Established Titles, I’d have three nickels, which isn’t a lot but werid that it happened three times.

[@ego-lay_atman-bay]

There's actually 11 Yoshi alts in Mario Kart Tour, even when the video came out.

[@ChiliLeo]

Tbh I miss brown Yoshi, his the most obscure outta all the colors that the Yoshi tribe have.

[@Bruv1737]

So many wrestling references. I loved the Roman Reigns "Acknowledge me" in the background and the MJF Mid clip.

[@Jet_Supreme]

Me too

[@WitherofEarth]

i can actually understand why pikachu, pichu, and even jigglypuff dont have their shinies as alts in smash bros. it's because those 3 pokémon in particular have shinies that look way too similar to their normal colors to begin with, so it'd be really hard to tell them apart in the chaos that is smash bros, hence why their alts are all different hats/accessories instead as for why the other pokemon didn't get THEIR shinies as alts? your guess is honestly as good as mine. closest ones we ever got were mewtwo incineroar and greninja... that's it ig maybe squirtle and ivysaur's shinies could also be deemed as too similar to their normal colors, but we could've easily gotten charizard's shiny at least

[@lasercraft32]

And for whatever reason... Incineroar has a palette swap that looks pretty much identical to his shiny version. :/

[@user-jl7cz2pe6d]

Charizard does have his Shiny actually! ...His old purple one from Gen 2..

[@aasaadmays7457]

new players of Pokémon get confuse with shines because it doesn't match there normal color and some shiny pokemons are to bright for people.

[@lasercraft32]

@@aasaadmays7457 Yeah, that is true... but this is Smash Bros. and they're already changing the colors and stuff so its weird that even the most different shinies aren't included.

[@aasaadmays7457]

@@lasercraft32 its because of Pikachu's move set if they used the other shinnies Pikachu lightening would flash alot and they don't want that to happen again.the shiny Pokémons the lighting from pikachu attack will flash to much.

[@lancenocturna2743]

I honestly think there's no deeper meaning, and I'm using Occam's Razor right here. They just chose to replace costume slots in the moment, since most, if not all, only get 8, without much thought behind why.

[@aid3n594]

As someone who watched SML from 2015-2021 I’d say that the theory that they were the reason black Yoshi was rejected kinda makes sense… on paper. Because if that were true then they 100% knew about them and why send a cease and desist in 2021 when he was far more controversial in 2017-2018, at least in the mainstream media.

[@Real_poke_blazer]

Same here bro I been watching sml since 2014 lol

[@deathandbananas2152]

Watched until November of last year due to age

[@illford]

I think they just picked one at a whim. I dont think they care that much about some bad youtube content

[@maxshowler]

Yea I thought about SMLs Black Yoshi during this vid

[@GhostW1thTheMost]

i want the next smash to have an 8-bit mode, where every character is replaced by 8-bit sprites. maybe even a 16-bit mode. like come on. that'll be so bloody cool.

[@dearzaina]

They should’ve at least referenced wolly world since it wouldve looked better

[@valeriebreidenstein8362]

And then they could have used the black Yarn Yoshi instead the stupid green crafted yoshi Or they could have replaced some other color of yoshi with their crafted version

[@____David]

My guess is that after sml rebranded his channel Nintendo gave the Green light to brig back Black Yoshi for Mario Kart Tour in 2019, and since he was already cut From Smash the Ultimate developers didn't want to add him back in for some reason, the way I see it, Ultimate was unfortunately in that awkward spot in 2018 where they didn't allow Black Yoshi due to the controversy, however he might actually return in the next Smash game due to him being extremely popular and Nintendo giving them the Green light to use him again as seen in Mario Kart Tour.

[@Sjono]

Cloud & Sephiroth should’ve had alts based on their KH1 designs

[@megamillion5852]

Sucks that they're my favorite renditions of the characters, and just couldn't be in Smash. They always felt like the definitive versions to me, as well as for Nomura's art style overall.

[@andywap3]

That probably would've spoiled the surprise of Sora being a fighter.

[@Sjono]

1.) There were already KH references in SSB before Sora’s inclusion. Cloud’s VA debuted in KH1, Sephiroth’s one winged form debuted in KH1, & Shadow Flare is based on its KH design 2) Robin has an alt that references White Mage from Final Fantasy before Cloud was ever announced. 3.) There’s various other instances of series being referenced before their fighter representative got announced such as Kid Icarus, Wario, Pikmin, Animal Crossing, Punch Out, Duck Hunt, Splatoon, Banjo-Kazooie, Arms & Tekken. So no reason not to have their KH1 outfits as alts

[@EiscueFriend]

You know, seeing established titles really grinds my gears

[@Avatarzillus2000]

Black Yoshi: folk I didn’t make because they didn’t have my call of duty, My kfc, My kool aid and my watermelons

[@spongegenerator]

They should have made an alternate costume for for Yoshi that made him look like boshi

[@jeremyriley1238]

TBH, when talking about SML's Black Yoshi, it was not because we can't play as that version, it was possible people said he was removed because in SML, despite being popular, Black Yoshi could be seen as a negative African-American stereotype (as the series has him depicted as a criminal who acts like a "gangsta" and is seen doing illegal acts like killing people for touching his Call of Duty games). In fact, this was one of the reasons why Logan got demonetized and eventually sent a cease-and-desist from Nintendo, forcing him to stop using Mario plush toys and resort to puppets of his own making. However, the real reason Black Yoshi was replaced with Wooly Yoshi is that Nintendo wanted to add the Wooly Yoshi skin so they can get people to buy Yoshi's Wooly World.

[@Liggliluff]

I really wished Smash didn't have an 8 costume limit, and would allow certain characters with 2 forms to have 16. If I'm not mistaken, you can hold the costume switching button, and press left and right to change. Add costume 9 through 16 on a row below, and pressing up/down changes row. Simple as that. Then for all gender-split characters, have 8 colours for each. For Pikachu, since it's only the tail that is different, make each costume have a male and female variant, really simple to do. For Yoshi, have the 8 crafted Yoshi colours: green, red, orange, yellow, cyan, blue, purple, pink. This wouldn't really be that much extra work.

[@seanmyster6]

Yes, we all knew that the felt alt for Yoshi was to promote Crafted World; it's a question of why they chose to specifically replace the black alt with it as opposed to replacing an alt that was less popular among fans.

[@jeremyriley1238]

@@seanmyster6 My guess if for the same reason they chose to replace two of Mario's older alternate colors with Builder Mario and Wedding Mario. They wanted to keep things current, and some skins had to be replaced. Also, Nintendo does not care what the fans think, and anyone who says otherwise would be targeted by the Nintendo cease-and-desist ninjas.

[@fairymairah]

Black yoshi is still better.

[@seanmyster6]

@@jeremyriley1238 Well, since no-one can seem to come up with a good explanation for why they would choose to replace specifically the black alt, I think the only logical option left is to just assume that it was a completely arbitrary choice, which sadly isn't hard to believe when it comes to Nintendo.

[@Masaru_kun]

If it was Nintendo executives deciding to replace Black Yoshi, then he wouldn't be in Mario Kart. The smash devs made the choice, probably because purple and black are the newest Yoshis, and because purple is better for marketing to kids.

[@GhostW1thTheMost]

that sponsorship happened days before established titles turned out to be a huge scam. RIP

[@andrea2kx]

Established Titles is a scam. And by Scottish law 6ou do not earn the title of laird from it. The company offices are in Hong Kong.

[@ky-brawl5197]

We realy need a Smash pass or adventscalender in the game so we can earn alternate costumes or stage's with chrismes theme or Halloween theme or other theme's

[@matthewdovidas4213]

From an internship at Nintendo, I'll just chime in a few of the "cut" alts such as black yoshi, Fire Mario, and extra Wario and Little Mac alts is because early on they decided to limit each character to 8 alts per character. I don't know if this comment is considered under my NDA and if it is this comment may go away, but because I have seen it online and Sakurai himself did specifically say each character would have exactly 8 alts, I don't think it would ? His fire alt was likely removed as the wedding alt was the one chosen to represent the "white alt" because the alts are supposed to be idealized not just be references. I.e. the alts are labeled by color so Cloud has a default a brown Alt etc. Despite very little difference then there is the AC alts and their breakdown.

[@StevenVillman]

However, that doesn't explain why the "black alternate" for Yoshi was cut from the _Super Smash Bros. Ultimate_ roster.

[@matthewdovidas4213]

@Steven Villman it's because they prioritize. They had more alts planned for a few characters. Yoshi was supposed to get a yarn yoshi Alt and a few different colors, including black, but they were ultimately scrapped to formalize the 8 alts per character. And the crafted world yoshi was seen to be the best for marketing at the time so it was chosen for the 8th alt over others

[@Flegz1]

Thanks Siiroth for the amazing video!

[@FanOfAnimation]

I’m surprised you didn’t mention Porky being the only boss that wasn’t referenced in Ultimate in any way.

[@NitwitsWorld]

Weird?

[@ddsjgvk]

No you had that two head thing. And whats the Pokemon's name ypu fight with fox and diddy ray not even going to try off memory

[@FanOfAnimation]

@@ddsjgvk the two head thing is a spirit and Rayquaza is on the kalos stage.

[@desmondschneider5397]

11:50 Oh… When I saw that, I immediately knew who you were gonna reference… And as someone who watches their videos and is aware of the time Nintendo sued them… I can say, they kinda did portray the characters in a way Nintendo would ABSOLUTELY not want them to… Nintendo made them use different puppets AND names. But it’s better that way. When I see people say to bring back the “OGs”, I always have to remind them of that…

[@loselot6044]

I'm going to be honest here, Nintendo probably just dropped one of Yoshi's newer alts at random for Wooly Yoshi, as you said multiple times Nintendo doesn't really listen to anyone, so I'd be shocked if there was another motivation

[@monkeymanx6]

Miss Pac-Man has a story... She isn't owned by Namco. She is owned by one of those plug and play company. She was even removed from Pac-Man World repac because Namco did not want to pay royalties or go on legal battles

[@shannonn2569]

Well I'm happy black yoshi at least exists in Mario Kart 8 that is a given, purple being a selection i actually love, I do not recall if purple was selectable before but I love it a lot.

[@DauntlessBlade___]

Siiroth never disappoints.

[@Siiroth]

Appreciate it!

[@dippin4dots]

Fax² + Real + W + FrFr

[@juanca2567]

@@Siiroth You were this close to the final nail in the coffin. Logan did ruin Black Yoshi, but being in Mario Kart made sense because no one was getting directly hurt (shells and banana peels at the kart are different than punching and kicking at sometimes the face), since physically beating up a black stereotype in a fighting game meant for “good boys and girls of all ages” equals bad. That cease and desist really should had come sooner, since the Purple Yoshi should have been cut since that color wasn’t in Yoshi’s Story.

[@Liggliluff]

Except when he promotes the scam Established Titles, but aside from that his video is great

[@mariajimenafigueroa233]

@@Liggliluff And the video having so many filler

[@Chris-gx1ei]

It rather bothered me that they removed Mario's Fire-Mario Outfit, but instead they left the ones for Luigi and Peach there

[@airtiger4577]

Yeah, the addition of builder and wedding mario was cool, but the absence of fire mario just didn't feel right.

[@clintonladouceur]

Hate to be a buzz kill, but apparently that Lord stuff is just a souvenir gag present. Some people even call it a scam. It just depends on your perspective.

[@Michaelm25]

Black yoshi should’ve been a Great addition

[@steelflame36]

0:09 this part right is actually my footage from years ago it is nice to be notice from people thanks for including it

[@steelflame36]

It's this some kind of prank or this some sort of bot trying to hack me

[@MarciseDavisX]

Lmfaoooo The Super Mario Logan was my actual first GUESS awhile back, Nintendo warned & tried to sue Logan & cast quite a few times... They portrayed Black Yoshi as a degenerate criminal stereotype......

[@beppp01]

6:48 The Red Mega Man alt is from the first Mega Man when he uses the Fire Man weapon

[@azurewarrior2000]

The red alt is used for the Rush items, the orange and yellow one is the one used for Fire Man's weapon.

[@ZamoHasEpicYouTubeChannelWow]

I love that they used in smg4 scene for this scene -> 13:23

[@fairymairah]

I Literally have No problem with Black yoshi or Ms pacman. but they had to be replaced.

[@Hydromelon955]

i really want a bowser's fury bowser skin if they make another ssb game

[@johnbeal839]

You’re reading waaaaaaaaay too much into this. A million bucks says Black Yoshi was cut either by random or because he was the last on the list. Something super innocuous. I’m betting they wish they hadn’t now. Personally, I agree with you that they should have replaced the regular Green Yoshi with the tennis ball variant and squeezed in Pink Yarn and Baby Blue Yarn Yoshi. A Gameboy Green and/or Black & White Daisy color scheme would have been amazing!

[@Gashnaw]

I still.want a custom color thing Give the default skin and be able to change some colors on the outfit. Save it to an amiibo so when you scan it you can play as your custom color. Like black yoshi. Or even another color that does not exist like teal. It would not be a lot but some of the colors would have a color wheel where you adjust the colors. Like on many games that have build a fighter. (Like soul calibur)

[@MBYui]

Nintendo when they see Purple Yoshi: W Everyone else When seeing Purple Yoshi: L

[@jonnytopsider]

MKTour adds more yoshis when they wanna dilute the loot boxes or add different passives. It's an easy choice and will probably see more yoshi's as the game ages

[@CharlieEarthRoast]

Established Titles is a scam. There's a court in Scotland that deals with titles, and they ruled they are selling souvenir land, and it isn't really yours because you can't register souvenir land in Scotland. Someone else that actually lives there can buy it. They also said these plots do not make you a Lord or Lady.

[@PTUBE101_]

I love how he kept dancing around the black Yoshi explanation lol

[@Sjono]

18:21 “The Miis in this form are Smash original” Mr Game & Watch is a Smash original character and he has unique spirit art

[@Liggliluff]

Really depends on how you ask. Mii are part of the Smash universe while Mr G&W is part of the G&W universe, so the game disagrees with your statement.

[@Sjono]

@@Liggliluff The game classifies Super Mario World as a Yoshi series game rather than a Mario game so you can’t take everything it presents at face value Mii Fighters and Mr G&W are Smash original characters, but they’re still based on preexisting properties.

[@azraelimmortal972]

This is just proof that humanity has passed its peak and we're just on a decline headed straight for extinction We have just failed as a species where the colour of a fictional character or very minor character designs cause more outrage than more serious issues in the world

[@jam9852]

Its not the black Yoshi color whats the problem its the message of that Yoshi comic Nintendo obviously wants to sweep that black Yoshi comic under the rug because people find it racist even though Black Yoshi is a Yoshi and not a black person. White ancestors making fun of those of a diffrent color has been going on for decades and Sadily some people still act that way so I can see how people see it as blatant racism as it was stupid back then and its still stupid now making jokes about how those of a diffrent color are unclean is just embarrassing and uncomfortable for a lot of people regardless of color. But in all Honesty Nintendo shouldn't get rid of the character as its only a colour alt but of course people are snowflakes now and everything is either controversial or racist nowadays so we can't have nice things also those mario plush videos are incredibly stupid and idiotic I don't know why mario Logan has a large fanbase Nintendo shouldn't remove black Yoshi for that reason either lastly Yes I agree there are more problems going on in the world like people can't afford to eat and yet more people are concerned about color alts in smash Bros.

[@Minepro616]

13:36 fire Mario was in the 2nd area and in ssbu at 12:01 the USA Mario replaces fire Mario Edit: *that might be why* Edit 2: sml is evil Edit 3: I was wrong about the USA Mario replacing fire Mario they were both still in the cover at 13:36 so if I had to guess I didn’t see the wedding Mario outfit so maybe Nintendo just didn’t do that to Yoshi but they did that to Mario

[@annieskywalker9290]

17:25 i think ground level 2 and jungle level from brawl were cut probably of how similar they are to other remixes of the same base music (Like Kongo jungle from smash 64 or Princess peach's castle from melee) or the didn't want to overdose the game with múltiple remixes of the same song, so they scrapped the most similar ones

[@BlackShadow01-05]

Ok the reason I think they don’t hav Shadow is because he might have been planned as an echo but people complained about him in Forces the year prior and how he wasn’t unique in that so they decided to wait for the next smash since SEGA cares and would definitely pull the plug if they weren’t happy

[@Carbon8tion]

I remember the creators of the Sonic Boom tv show saying that the reason Shadow didnt appear much in it is because Sega gave them a GIANT document filled with rules/guidelines on how to portray Shadow, so they just made other characters joke about how serious and edgy he was instead of having him make jokes. That probably has alot to do with why Shadow isnt an echo, or a costume. Wouldnt be properly representing hin.

[@BlackShadow01-05]

@@Carbon8tion exactly and then there’s what I said about the outcry from forces

[@ddsjgvk]

Metal would be cooler anyway. Shadow would be unique or a simi

[@thatisaduck]

so the 'REAL' reason black yoshi wasnt in smash ultimate was some random internet show they sent a cease and desist THREE YEARS after the game had released? riiiiight

[@DakotaCityRag]

Can you link the two articles about Sakurai's statements on shiny pokemon, please? I tried googling the exact words you showed in your video and nothing came up.

[@Missing_links-m6v]

Technically Nintendo could have completely struck down SML videos

[@oshawott8053]

Unpopular opinion: i really wanted that atleast we could had a pacster(pacman from the ghostly adventures) custom for smash

[@edmpunkfire7793]

actually, Daisy's black alt references the Gameboy's screen since that was her first appearance

[@mariajimenafigueroa233]

Ignoring the annoying bot, I look at the website SSB wiki and it said that Daisy's black alt is based on a maiden

[@edmpunkfire7793]

@@mariajimenafigueroa233 that is one reference

[@binnersbee]

I'm going to assume 90% of the cuts came down to the storage limitations that came with using cartridges again. A 60gb blue ray is cheap to produce but a 60gb proprietary cartridge? Yeah, it's safe to assume storage was an issue, especially considering the switch had and still has a pitiful 32gbs of onboard storage.

[@lasercraft32]

I'm guessing a lot of it probably has to do with personal preference of the ones making the game too... Like a lot of characters have palette swaps that are barely different from the regular ones, like Bowser, simply to represent some older classic version of the character (I assume because the devs, especially Sakurai, have a soft spot for the older stuff like Game&Watch).

[@WinspearUltima]

This is a crime that Nintendo cutting these out, it’s no excuse to include them which they should have done that in the first place

[@extonjonas6820]

I mean if they are restricted to 8 so they probably just picked the black on because why not. They knew they definitely wanted the craft youshi so somebody had to go

[@tardissins7512]

I think the issue is looking for an explanation where there is none. I think they did what they wanted to and didn’t have a reason

[@dustymcwari4468]

Yeah they probably just picked the last costume to be a Crafted World reference, not caring what they replaced xd

[@t-rexstudioproductions781]

“The pokemon just had the normal basic mario sound effect” What about the Kanto Pokemon starters Bulbasaur, Charmander and Squirtle

[@sasamichan]

Cloud could have had a Zack recolor. Or he could be the main hero of each Final Fantasy Game. Kids are smart and will NOT get confused by a shiny Pokémon. Just put the art in the booklet guys. In fact you should make like 10 shiny variants for each Pokémon. IMO to avoid MY confusion Yoshi should ONLY be Green, Red, Blue and Yellow and wooly. and Link and Toon Link and Dark Link and Ravio should be the SAME character. Mario should never be Yellow and Luigi should never be purple but that's just for my own Confusion. Mega Man has a wide color range and all the BIG Nintendo heroes should have Captain N color swaps. even Sonic could have an alt skin of Metal Sonic or Uncle Chuck or his siblings from Sonic Under Ground Maybe Black Yoshi was removed because his color pallet was too hard to see against a black background? Or maybe they just chose on randomly or from charts and polls?

[@rockowlgamer631]

Sakurai hurts my brain, he also says he hates that Bowser has a personlity and should've remained as a mute beast that just steal the princess, people love bowser BECAUSE he's characterized

[@KHloreExpert]

To my knowledge Sakurai has never said he hates Bowser's characterization. He just said that that the inclusion of beastly traits primarily in Giga Bowser but also somewhat in Bowser in his games was based on the vibe he got from the sprite and limited animations while playing Super Mario Bros. back in the day.

[@GreenDayFan2003LLC.]

you know, prior to the cease and desist letter, i thought it would be a great idea if one day, SML would be cannon in the nintendo games. i guess we can't always get what we want.

[@saikyojushin370]

We need Black Yoshi back as well as a brown piranha plant with pink lips.

[@peppibuns]

one of the things that bugs be most is that for midna's lament as a track they didn't have the one they used in brawl there is only a weird remix of the track

[@noobkynooby46]

I honestly always believed and somewhat still believe that black yoshi was removed because of SML

[@isuapig6705]

I had a feeling black yoshi was taken out because of sml😂

[@Ace2up]

Established titles was recently exposed as a scam because you don’t really own the land they do it’s says it before you buy it where it says what it comes with in the “package”

[@Jellylamps]

What frustrates me the most still is the lack of octoling costumes. They put a ton of effort into the outfits for the inklings, even just 2 octoling alts would hardly be more difficult

[@t.p.s5410]

Ah yes black yoshi the character that most 11 year olds will recognize from sml

[@Ghiaman1334]

Bro, videos like this make me feel sorry for the team who worked on Smash. They probably just thought certain alts, songs, spirits etc were better than others or just forgot about these things. Yet here we are on KZbin watching videos accusing Nintendo of trying to cover up part of their history, not listening to fans, letting third parties get away with being protective, or simply just having bad taste, all because your favourite alt/character/song etc isn't in the game. Man, these people catch so much flak. The game's been out for *years*, can we just lay off them for a moment, please?

[@GamepadStudios]

For the ms pacman thing, It's copyright between another company and I saw a video on that.

[@GamepadStudios]

No I didn't, get a life

[@AlexDayz]

The fighter spirit one I find interesting. Them using the Ken Sugimori watercolor works for the Pokémon (at least for the first two gens) would be cool though them using the Global Link artwork makes sense to keep them uniform. As for the Trainer though…odd they didn’t use the Protag art for FRLG, the works the models are based off. Sure it wouldn’t be as uniform but would anyone really complain? Robin I find more interesting since they show to have no problem using Tharja’s portrait artwork rather than her full body artwork (something every other FE spirit uses) so why not just use that for them?

[@dumbbirdyboysquawks8147]

The feather getting removed on Mr. Game and Watch's head was a necessary decision to avoid further offense though. :/

[@randomstranger8554]

I like how someone said Fire Mario was bland, and it's good Wedding Mario replaced them, when Wedding Mario is basically Fire Mario with less red and a top hat making it blander.

[@blossomsonic6712]

0:14 that yoshi design looks like how he would look one day before he dies. I see why you put sad music in the background but seriously

[@blossomsonic6712]

Then changed it in 0:16

[@blossomsonic6712]

0:15

[@rabies6418]

i thought people heard about what happened with established titles 😬

[@splashingblast1016]

15:59 Didn't appreciate World 1-2 was removed or even the original version of the Wii Sports theme. I could understand most of the community's frustration of costumes being omitted, but hey that's what modding scene is for, right?

[@Robin280497]

To be fair, Mario Kart Tour still gets updated every 2 Weeks with new drivers, be they actual characters or costumes. This includes Yoshi colors. Not too long ago they added Orange, so I'm sure some day we'll also get Cyan, Yellow and Purple. (Yellow Yoshi does already have a Gold Egg and Kangaroo costume, but I mean the standard version.)

[@Robin280497]

Then again, the default art of those 3 specific Yoshi's are different from the others, so who knows. R.I.P. Brown Yoshi, though.

[@altaica3522]

my question is why Dry bowser isn't a skin for bowser either

[@Raspopopo]

Established titles is a scam run by a company in hong kong

[@tylerv.g.6268]

I feel like taking away black Yoshi makes the racial issue worse. Like what if there was a bad depiction of nightwolf from mortal kombat on an old comic then they proceed to remove the only native american rep

[@clarkryback3151]

Great video I really liked it. It had been a little while since the last one. Thanks for keeping me updated thru my membership. 👍

[@Twilight17Petkoton]

Yeah head up that a evil bot so don't fall that trick I saw Johnny from his own channel that evil bot loves showing up out of nowhere. So careful on the evil bots reject the prizes.

[@youtuberjestforfun9074]

i think the real reason might be that black yoshi was in the wii u but not white, but if that was the case why not they add white yoshi to ultimate?

[@ryanmccallum4111]

Yo, Established Titles was just exposed as a scam.

[@Sfdgfvegrrg]

It’s mad how people don’t know where the black yoshi joke came from