Silencer Shop ATF eForm 1 Beta

[@HaiTran]

*My eForms 1 Trust Timelines* SBR #1 Submitted - 12/23/22 Certified - 12/24/22 Approved - 1/9/23 Days for Approval - 16 days Start to Finish - 17 days SBR #2 Submitted - 1/7/23 Certified - 1/12/23 Approved - 2/21/23 Days for Approval - 40 days Start to Finish - 45 days

[@SuperXrayDoc]

I submitted on 1/4 and signed on 1/6 and still haven't gotten to certify yet, why are they taking so long when they were so quick previously?

[@HaiTran]

I’m wondering the same thing since it’s been a few days and my second application is still not ready to certify.

[@arten]

I used this service last week. It had a few minor hiccups (caused by me, no doubt), but it did get the job done and did it well once I stopped breaking it. The support staff were helpful, courteous, professional, and effective.

[@HaiTran]

Hopefully you’ll get the approval soon 👍🏽

[@fullarmortrainingllc]

Thanks for the video! I filed for an sbr using this service because of your video. Very well put together!

[@HaiTran]

Glad it helped!

[@Strawman333]

I reluctantly SBR’d one of my lowers without SilencerShop. Just went through my ATF account for eform1 application. I was approved in 6days. I even had to resubmit my finger print cards because my local gun shop were I did them didn’t sign them. I called the ATF immediately after I realized, and they noted that, then told me to redo my prints, and resend them. That was the day before this past Thanksgiving. I got approved the following Tuesday. I was kinda surprised after some people telling me they waited up to 60 days.

[@HaiTran]

That gives me a lot of hope but it is holiday season so I wonder what the government’s work schedule is like.

[@huwhitecavebeast1972]

WTF

[@shawnlewis6660]

I just submitted a form 1 through SilencerShop today for an sbr hopefully it works out. I guess you and myself are one of the few guinea pigs.

[@HaiTran]

Lol first 1000 crew 👍🏽. But yeah we’ll see how this will play out considering how well their eForms Form 4 went…

[@koffeekage]

They are doing gods work.

[@HaiTran]

Who, SilencerShop?

[@koffeekage]

@@HaiTran yup

[@HaiTran]

Considering that they are charging a premium for their Form 1 service and are likely to come out making more money than any other organization, even than the government, from of this entire situation, I wouldn't personally call it God's work.

[@jrowinski82]

You can switch the caliber or barrel length on your SBR temporarily without telling the ATF. For example, you can switch between a 300 blackout and 556 upper on your SBR lower for a range day or match. You just need to go back to the original configuration when finished or traveling with the SBR.

[@HaiTran]

I'm looking for a more permanent solution and will send a letter like I mentioned at some point when I know which uppers I want to use with my SBRs.

[@huwhitecavebeast1972]

@@HaiTran The permanent solution is to shoot the ruling down in court or abolish the NFA.

[@HaiTran]

Abolishing the NFA will most likely never happen.

[@rearviewtown9197]

Anyone successfully get approved by the ATF yet using their process?? I just got an email from SS that my form 1 was ready to sign, but the ATF form they used is from 2019 and doesn't have the "tax exempt" box like the 2022 form has.... emails to SS are going unanswered.

[@pilotincommand8555]

Had the same slow performance I thought it was stuck but after about 15-20 min it worked fine and I was able to certify..already had fingerprints and photo on file from other NFA purchases so took about 15 min overall to set up (around 8pm) and next morning when I woke up it was ready to certify

[@HaiTran]

Hope the wait isn’t too long 👍🏽

[@TMJ937]

Just finished certifying mine for SBR👍🏻 was super easy process

[@HaiTran]

Hope you get a quick response!

[@Repeal.The_NFA]

hey how long after you signed the docusign did you get the email to certify?

[@HaiTran]

It only took a few hours for the first application. It took a few days for the second. Look at the pinned comment for an idea of my timeline.

[@LtThompsonCS]

@@HaiTran is the beta eF1 still available on the Kiosk? I went to a kiosk over the weekend and it showed I have to have a QR code to do stuff on the machine

[@HaiTran]

I don’t have an answer for that, I did everything from a computer.

[@kungfuken3993]

Thanks for the info big help 🤙🏼

[@HaiTran]

No problem 👍

[@jamesmbryant6349]

Great information. I did this yesterday with 2 lowers since there is no electronic finger printing (FP) service near me and SS already had valid FP and Photo on file for me from a recent eform 4. I didn't buy the tax stamps since both lowers were pistols pre 1/13/2023. We'll see if they ever get certified. This was submitted 1/18.

[@HaiTran]

Good luck! I hope your wait isn’t too long!

[@60lbackpack52]

you might want to contact customer support. Silencershop just released a banner on their website to not use the beta for brace eform 1s

[@jamesmbryant6349]

@@60lbackpack52 Thanks, I saw that they had put this banner up a couple days after I had already used it. Currently they now have modified the system to accept tax exempt form 1s. Unfortunately I'm now trying to get a refund or credit to restart the process on the previous two (they charge $50 for the service).

[@elitetilesetting1909]

I registered one of my PMF braced pistols I did it for free via the atf web sight I was originally going to go the silencer shop route but looked up a video and found out the only reason your paying $50 is for the finger print service got mine for $15 I’m still waiting. Have you heard back from the atf?

[@nathanvega781]

If you know how to fill it out save your money . Silencershop filled out my paperwork incorrectly I waited nearly 60 days for atf to not look at it due to incorrect info on silencershop end save the 50 bucks and do it yourself

[@HaiTran]

Whatever works for you 👍🏽

[@TechMike10]

My new Stribog SP9A3S isn’t on the list yet 😕

[@HaiTran]

You should be more worried that it’ll be outright outlawed under the new pistol brace rules.

[@TechMike10]

@@HaiTran but what do you think if I were to get the SBR process started before the ruling officially drops?

[@HaiTran]

That’s kind of the question and one I don’t have a for sure answer to. It’s a really tough situation for anyone with an imported pistol.

[@TechMike10]

@@HaiTran dude I’m telling you, I ordered it before any of this came out and I literally just got it today. It’s such a sweet “pistol” and I’d like to do whatever I can do keep it. It’s all a mess.

[@HaiTran]

Believe me bro, that import section of the brace rule is the most worrisome part of it all for me. That's a lot of money on the line.

[@fernandonavarro2135]

I am trying to certify now on my form and signed all the documents and it’s asking me to request a EIN number and I have no idea what that is. It’s been very frustrating

[@HaiTran]

If you're certifying through Silencer Shop then you may want to contact them for help.

[@swivel63]

i just did this earlier this week with all of the trust information including the documentation stating that the pistol was owned by the trust prior to 1/31. i submitted and was given the go ahead by silencer shop, however when it was certification time, i couldn't certify because the atf said i didn't have the proper documentation stating that the trust owned the pistol. sent an email to silencer shops sale's AND compliance email addresses, and i'm still waiting on a response. i'd like to do it this way since they have all of my information already to go, but if it goes any longer, i may have to use another service to get anything else form 1'ed.

[@HaiTran]

Hopefully things work out for you 👍🏽

[@TheVet3184]

Great video quick question about summiting photo of engraving. Do you send just the one you engraved or all the marking on the sbr? Thank you

[@HaiTran]

I didn't even know that was a thing to do!

[@umbertomclovin]

great vid. subscribed

[@HaiTran]

Awesome, thank you!

[@A66Millhouse]

How does it change my process if I only have a single shot trust?

[@HaiTran]

What do you mean by change your process? I’m not sure what you’re asking.

[@A66Millhouse]

@Hai Tran i have a single shot trust for a supressor. Would I have to get another single shot for my sbr or would i have to get a nfa trust?

[@HaiTran]

If you only bought a singular Single Shot Trust then yes, you would have to buy another Single Shot Trust or another type of trust. I bought the Single Shot UNLIMITED Trust which gives me unlimited uses of the Single Shot Trust.

[@paullee5728]

Tried to do this today and got an error creating order when trying to submit payment. Payment did not go out of card. Called SS and they said it might be because the first 1000 is done already? Not sure why the form is still up then.

[@HaiTran]

I just submitted another application on 1/7 so maybe I got lucky because it went through.

[@paullee5728]

@@HaiTran Got a call back from them saying to try again after the tech team fixed something and it went through.

[@HaiTran]

Good luck 👍🏽

[@Soundsop2]

I keep getting a error message trying to form 1 with SS. Every time I press complete order it says "Error creating order". I emailed SS with no response as of yet.

[@HaiTran]

I’ve been waiting a few days to certify, sent them an email and no replies either. Their customer service is always a hit or miss.

[@AdventureTechnologies]

Atf doesn't list all of firearms in the drop downs, only the ones that it has they have done research on. So even if they don't have it on SS website, you will prob be delayed/ pending research. Also, you do not need to send in different calibers or barrel lengths per atf. Changing the barrel is considered to be a temp change, but the original barrel size and cal. on the form 1 must be maintained/ be converted back.

[@HaiTran]

This is where I got my information: www.nationalguntrusts.com/blogs/nfa-gun-trust-atf-information-database-blog/atf-form-1-nfa-tax-stamp-walk-through-guide

[@rexmrtnz86]

I have done a form 4 through silencer shop before so when I do the form 1 I don't need to send the fingerprints? Or how does it work

[@HaiTran]

If everything is up to date then they should have everything needed.

[@rexmrtnz86]

@@HaiTran did you have to mail anything to the cleo?

[@HaiTran]

I did not.

[@JSwizzle11]

Cleo info how do I find that? I recently have a suppressor through silencer shop pending. I thought SS will fill the form out for you an the Cleo info, it turns out I’ll have to do it myself

[@HaiTran]

They filled it out for me so I don’t know how to get that info.

[@dk99745]

Serious question…why not use the atf’s e-form portal and bypass silencer shop? Once you have your finger prints and photo, everything is the same, right?

[@HaiTran]

It’s a fast option for those who already use Silencer Shop as most of the information needed is already on file. It’s also an option for those who aren’t confident in doing the form by themselves and want to get a second look by people who are familiar with the process.

[@thenewarguy7712]

It’s not hard to do a Form 1 with ATF online if you already have your photo, Form 5320.23 “responsible person form”, and Trust “if putting it on a Trust” in a file and ready to uploaded. All you need to do after submitting it is to mail in the fingerprint cards(2) and a copy of the Form 1 application to the CLEO. The only advantage I see by using the Silencer Shop is the fingerprint part. You don’t need to go and purchase a fingerprint card (10-20) each, need 2 copy. Maybe that will be enough to do it with Silencer Shop and that you also have someone to verify the application for error.

[@HaiTran]

It's another option for people to choose from 👍🏽

[@thenewarguy7712]

@@HaiTran The funny thing is. I mention that Silencer Shop will check for error. I did two Form 1 with them a few years ago and they both came back with error to resubmit. I did a total of 15 Form 4 with them and 2 came back. They are getting better, but not perfect I guess.

[@thenewarguy7712]

It was a good idea making this video to educate people on how to do a Form 1 with the upcoming AFT pistol brace ban.

[@HaiTran]

Fingers crossed that they are taking some care with the current system because if heavy regulations hit pistol braces, there may be a lot of Form 1s submitted and they stand to make a lot of money if their system is actually useful for people.

[@Poolshockguy]

Can I use silencershop finger print cards that I have on file if I submit my form1 directly from atf website

[@HaiTran]

I believe that’s what some people who already have SilencerShop fingerprints do.

[@BasementOps]

Yes, but it is 50 bones for the card might as well do everything with them. I did since I have unlimited trust.

[@JSwizzle11]

@Hai Tran how did you certify on your own I’m so confused I thought ss does the form for you whenever I tried to do it it’s makin me fill the form out so I’m lost

[@HaiTran]

They filled the paperwork for me. When it was time to verify, I was taken to the ATF site to pretty much just double check how they filled out the paperwork and submit.

[@NRush2009]

Turning my AR Pistol into an SBR, is that a Form 4?

[@HaiTran]

Form 1

[@NRush2009]

@HaiTran so what's the Form 4?

[@HaiTran]

Transferring an NFA item.

[@NRush2009]

@@HaiTran thank you for your help

[@HaiTran]

Good luck 👍🏽

[@michaelgoldman3019]

Hey I just certified today! I got the email from the ATF saying you need to send the cover letter and finger prints in within 10 days. Is that something you had to do or does Silencer Shop take care of that as part of their service? Thanks!

[@HaiTran]

I got no email from the ATF except the approval email. All the paperwork was sent for me by Silencer Shop.

[@nathanvega781]

So ss did one for me today they didn’t submit a pic of my lower and put Travis county when that’s not my county did that happen on your app ?

[@HaiTran]

That did not happen with my application.

[@nathanvega781]

@@HaiTran how did you submit the pic for your form 1 ?

[@HaiTran]

Silencer Shop did all the paperwork. I didn't send anything myself.

[@Spideyrulez05]

Good afternoon brother, This is my first time going through this. What does it mean when its ready to certify? Do I need to do anything or that goes on the dealer

[@HaiTran]

I'm not sure what the actual definition of certifying is but it's essentially you submitting your information/application to the ATF. You initiate the certification. If you did it with Silencer Shop, it'll be an option in your dashboard when it's ready.

[@MRsolidcolor]

naw bro Bruen said you can have them and the atf has gotten kick back from the courts already.. its not gonna happen

[@HaiTran]

Only time will tell. The almighty ATF seems to exist on another plane and do as they please.

[@Leland300]

If plan to multiple E-forms it’s well worth.

[@HaiTran]

Whatever works for you 👍🏽

[@j.p.4541]

Thanks for the review Hai, I have a Trust with Silencer Shop, can they use your fingerprints on file for the form 1, or do you have to physically send them in?

[@HaiTran]

They didn’t ask me to do any fingerprinting stuff so I assume they just sent in the fingerprints they already had on file.

[@saqueo1966]

If the ATF is waiving the tax do you have to pay it on the Form 1 Beta?

[@HaiTran]

I think Silencer Shop is looking into that so we’ll have to wait and see how that works.

[@saqueo1966]

I emailed them as well. Guess we will have to wait and see…

[@saqueo1966]

Okay, the Silencer Shop replied to my email. They said that at this time they are not waiving the $200 tax stamp but are working on it. In two weeks that option should be available as long as you meet certain criteria.

[@HaiTran]

Meet certain criteria? What would that be since it’s pretty much a free for all?

[@saqueo1966]

@@HaiTran Dunno, that was the reply from them…

[@carterhall2653]

To make sure I'm following you correctly, Silencer shop charges you $255 to complete the submssion, also $200 for the tax stamp = 455?

[@HaiTran]

$205 for the tax stamp and $50 for the service. $255 total.

[@Scooby15443]

did you have to mail in your fingerprints or did they use the ones on you silencer shop account?

[@HaiTran]

I didn't mail anything so I assume they used the ones on file.

[@Scooby15443]

Silencer shop has mine on file answers I also did they beta after seeing your video and I got a email from the atf to send prints I was just checking if you had to also I emailed silencer shop to see if they did or if they can just send my prints

[@HaiTran]

Good luck. Hopefully you'll get that figured out 👍🏽

[@Scooby15443]

Thought I would update you made contact with silencer shop they did send my prints good to go 🤘🏻

[@HaiTran]

That’s great! I hope your wait isn’t too long!

[@thomasdinh2753]

sub for future updates/

[@HaiTran]

Thanks for the support!

[@jonathang5139]

Silencer shop is too much. I paid 65$ to get my digital prints and photo taken by another conpany. I received my encrypted EFT file and photo in my email to submit on eforms whenever I need.

[@HaiTran]

Whatever works 👍🏽

[@jlacrosse08]

You’re paying an additional $55 just to use SS? It’s not hard to do a F1. Definitely not $55 hard.

[@HaiTran]

I’ve basically justified it as paying someone to do paperwork for you. Like filing taxes, most people can definitely do it themselves for free, but the majority won’t. Silencer Shop is definitely charging a premium but it’s for a service that many people are not going to want to bother their time with.

[@jlacrosse08]

@@HaiTran but you’re still inputting all the same information on their website that you would to do the efile yourself. You’d still have to go do or have done fingerprints at a kiosk. It’s literally no different than just doing the efile yourself.

[@HaiTran]

You don’t input anything but what I showed with the firearm info. Everything else was done over a year ago for my Form 4. My fingerprints are the same from the past and I did not do it again. If your starting fresh then yes, you’re entering info. Now that I think about it, this does seem like a system for those who have use Silencer Shop in the past for their their NFA filings. With the regular ATF eform site, do they store all the info or are you reentering every time?

[@SuperCortes10]

@@HaiTranId definitely pay for them to file my paperwork

[@HaiTran]

Yeah, they offer people another choice. Some will find comfort in having an expert party looking through everything and increasing the chances of getting an approval.

[@FutureWarlordOfHomestead]

I’m still not sure why they even need to offer this service, as well as add an additional layer of complexity to a not so difficult process. You can do physical fingerprint cards or digital EFT fingerprints at pretty much any gun shop, and those gun shops have the appropriate NFA fingerprint cards. Additionally, one can simply go to the e-forms website and submit a form one without having to pay 50+ dollars for the service, +5 dollars additional on the tax stamp. There’s an excellent step by step walk-through available on KZbin for eform1’s, whether it be individual or with. This is the process I used for my SBR back in June. It was 9 days turnaround total. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJyphnd6pqmNpdU

[@HaiTran]

To each their own I suppose. Just another way to get it done for those who are comfortable with the Silencer Shop ecosystem. But man 9 days turnaround sounds pretty amazing. I have to see how long it takes for me currently before I dive in and SBR a bunch of other stuff.

[@MachineToolWorld]

Nah this is a great option for people who already are setup to buy with silencer shop.

[@HaiTran]

Definitely since most of the information required is already on file.

[@FutureWarlordOfHomestead]

@@MachineToolWorld it’s already on file with the ATF as well. You have to create a e-forms account regardless. And the information you type in for Silencer Shop hasta match the information in your e-forms account exactly regardless. It’s just adding an additional layer of oversight. I don’t have to wait for Silencer Shop to approve my paperwork before sending it off to the ATF. The advantage there is that they already have your fingerprints in their system, as well as a appropriately sized photograph. That in itself is worth something, but there are other companies doing the EFT digital fingerprints for substantially less than 50 bucks. And they actually give you a copy of the file so you can upload it in the future yourself. Silencer Shop doesn’t want to relinquish the EFT files, but they are happy to send you a physical copy of your fingerprints on the card for a fee. Are use them to purchase my Sandman S recently, and the process was pretty flawless other than they left the upin question unanswered. I was thinking I was going to get a denial for 8 1/2 months because of that, but it went through. I guess this will work, but like anything, you were just paying for convenience. Convenience for something you shouldn’t have to even pay for at all.