Silent Hill Tier List From a PROFESSIONAL Speedrunner!!

[@Ecdycis]

Book of Memories Sweep!, 100 BOMILLION copies sold

[@kisaragireion]

Familiar face spotted! Love both of you!

[@persona3rulez]

It's kinda an interesting experience to scroll to the end of the video and see Homecoming in S tier without any context.

[@DrakolfGrimm]

Interesting tidbit with the Silent Hill Play Novel: In addition to Harry and Cybil's scenarios, there were four additional scenarios for the game that were only available through a download service that is no longer available, meaning- to my knowledge- that lore is gone forever.

[@yazajin]

I'm surprised nobody has tracked down people who worked on it to get some explanation like with other things. Maybe someday we'll get some answers even if we don't get the content.

[@orlandofurioso7329]

Didn't some fans remake the thing on PC? Maybe they included it

[@tarblade1448]

The failure spiral is one of the things that is good about 4 in a casual sense at least. Like it adds a lot of tension and fear to situations. I like a lot about 4, except how it plays.

[@Dragonatrix]

Its okay, we can pretend the PT image is a placeholder for Ascension.

[@Dracas42]

So this is probably a weird take, but I don't really like the fact that in Origins you can just swap between the horror world and the regular world. It's hard to be scared of a place I chose to be in, I guess.

[@yazajin]

Glad to see Shattered Memories getting to B tier. I replayed it a while back and I like it more and more each time I do aside from the chase segments that I don't really enjoy.

[@NeoLotex]

Your opinion on SH1 is basically what I experienced when I played it the first time. I ran around, was annoyed, was frustrated and then ultimately reached the point of "I don't think so", but came back a few years later and played it, finished it, loved it. It's one of those games that could be cranked up to 11 and reach RE2R levels of quality with a good remake.

[@travis8106]

Decided to try Silent Hill 2 first before diving into the remake, since I had played a little bit of it before but never finished it. Turned all the lights down, got some good headphones, and went after it. I'm not scared easily, but the part where you revisit Maria's room in the otherworld, and she's missing, that weird, breathing ambience unnerved the shit out of me. Very impressive sound and atmosphere design. I wish I had played this earlier in life so I could have been traumatized as a kid 😂

[@Shindetsuku]

Great video, and I love how much time you spend actually explaining your reasoning.

[@TheAshenCouncil]

You predicted Homepour at SGDQ, nice.

[@raynzen7773]

one year after this video released. i've been played silent hill 2 on ps3 and i see that sometimes James just either, stops moving while shooting or stops shooting while standing still, and it's good to see that my ps3 controller is not the problem.

[@TeamSakurasou]

Hot take here, but I feel that after the first 4 games most of these games are D or lower. I can fully understand why a lot of gamers now of days don't understand why people like silent hills unless they dive the first 3 games. SH lives and dies by its horror aspect, story telling, puzzles and atmosphere. What game after the room hits one of those? As for silent hill 4, I love the story and all the details as well as twists and atmosphere but like you said its frustrating. If a horror game starts frustrating you, its done the worst thing the medium can do. Hitreg is bad not just with ghosts, however the Eileen AI can do really well depending on what you give her but I do not know how viable it is for a speedrun. Game suffers from a lot of issues, but does a lot right. It could of been a better game with more time in development adding say more areas, less backtracking, less frustrating glitches etc, Maybe cut the escort mission down a lot.

[@12ealDealOfficial]

Agreed. The post Team Silent games are just bad. SM is pretentious and annoyingly dumb as a result, while Downpour is painfully bland.

[@librenarraty1964]

0:00 Introduction 0:36 Game Tierlist 46:07 Speedrun Tierlist 1:19:41 Comparison

[@aymanhoon6936]

I completed Silent Hill 2 and I really loved it. I will play 3 next. I saw a full walkthrough of the first game on KZbin.

[@lamiaprincess6371]

Honestly I played Downpour as a teenager and watched you stream it and it genuinely is the one Silent Hill game that actively leeches itself from my memory. I actively struggle to remember significant portions of this game or what it's about. It does have really funny death screams though. This was a fun video, I will be annoying about it online to get other people to watch it.

[@12ealDealOfficial]

I tried replaying Downpour once or twice since it also leeches itself from my memory. It is a bland game when it isn't offensively bad. But both times I got to the scene of Murphy boarding bus and instinctively started mashing start to skip the cutscenes, but the lag of the pause screen loading and the sound of prison bars slamming (you are being metaphorically trapped into watching that garbage) had me abandon the game both times.

[@casanovafunkenstein5090]

​@@12ealDealOfficialI don't know if I'd really call it bland, so much as it's a bit underwhelming. There's a lot of interesting ideas, like the cops roaming the outdoor areas, the visual design of the otherworld areas (even though I have no idea what the clockwork symbolism is meant to reference. Maybe it would feel a bit less disconnected from the story if those sections weren't just spent running in a straight line from a glowing light. I had to check to see if I hadn't confused Downpour with Homecoming because that game actually features a watch as a significant item. I get the prison stuff but are they just basing the whole visual motif on a pun, because people in prison are 'doing time'?) and I do think that the twist is actually quite unique. The major issue with all of those good elements is that they never really felt like more than surface level ideas that should have been explored more. If they had done a bit more to develop their ideas, made the ethical choices a bit less intrusive, reimagined the enemies and mechanics to better fit the story (I feel like the story of a convict going on the lamb after a botched prison transfer avoiding police patrols and being stalked by a prison guard with a personal grudge against him should probably be a bit more focused on avoiding everything and finding routes around the environment that enable you to get between places without being caught. ThorHighHeels' video about Vampire Rain probably explains what I mean fairly well. Big, open areas that have dense pockets of unreasonably strong enemies that you can't easily get past with a focus on exploring the areas in order to find a way around them. Have that be the way that the outdoor bits work and make the indoors areas be a more traditional stealth game with less enemies and more areas to hide.)

[@CosmoRetroGaming]

Completely concur; you make awesome content, videos, and are one of the best speedrunners out there.

[@veelqnexus]

Hello Punchy, I've been watching some of your old videos after discovering your hilarious re2 no walk video. Great commentary as always! Laura Bailey voiced Claudia in HD collection, not Heather :) (I wrote it after watching hd collection segment, as I kept on I saw someone in your chat also said it). I agree, old Heather voice fit much better but there are some good performances in HD collection. One good change was redoing that robotic voice from the "spooky house" , new Douglas and Claudia voices are good as well. Btw, HD collection works much better now on Xbox Series consoles. It's still not as good as PC versions with mods/fixes for sure, but HD collection doesn't crash at all, works on stable 30fps/4k or 1440p depending on the model of xbox, has fast loading/quick resume etc (I've played both SH2 and SH3 a few times for achievevents - I managed to 100% SH3, but SH2 requires a lot of playthroughs and that 10 stars run which is probably out of my reach). I wish, it had also SH3 original voices as an option but at least xbox backwards compatibility improvements made it a much better experience on series s/x.

[@wraith.ferron]

"Homecoming is bad. Homecoming is bad! Homecoming is bad!!" Now tell me how you really feel about Homecoming.

[@craigleslie2577]

Own and have only played 1, 2, 3, 4, Origins and PT. The "broken" HD collection lol. Just bought Homecoming. I think eventually until SH2 remake comes out... i will buy the rest of the games in the series. Need to play them at least once. Unlike the Team Silent games. Which are probably going into the thousands played. lol. My top 6 at least i know what they are. 2, 1, 3, PT, Origins, 4. Are you buying the SH 2 remake as soon as it comes out. Looking forward to seeing how quickly you master that game. I'll probably play that non stop for the rest of the year, :)

[@orlandofurioso7329]

Did you like Homecoming?

[@TSKyanite]

I don't agree with calling homecoming the Sonic 06 of Silent Hill. You're right in that both of them are super hyped games that released in broken states, but that is about all they have in common. When you strip away the bugs, load times and broken physics of Sonic '06, you are left with level design, that while not fantastic is perfectly functional, a story that, while maybe not as good as SA2s, when you over Elyse being human, is actually kinda good and works for a Sonic game(Really, if they just made Elyse a hedgehog instead of a human, this story would be way less made fun of). All in all, a fairly typical mediocre sonic game When you take away the bugs and hype from Homecoming, it doesn't make the game any good. You recieve a boring, paint by the numbers story which tries to emulate Silent Hill 2 and fails horribly. You recieve level design that is equal parts confusing and boring, A combat system which takes the worst parts of origins, and then removes all of the horror elements by making your fists do well enough. A game which is still one of the worst Silent Hill games, one which no-one wants to prop up. I will say, both series are similar in that they have diehard fans that agree a lot of the games in the series are kinda bad

[@TheKingofZora]

Very interesting Video, you can really see that you have a lot to talk about!

[@TheKingofZora]

I will now repeat your opinions ad nauseam in other internet spaces and yell / get yelld at because of it.

[@Umbra_Nocturnus]

I agree on SH4, I didn't even finish it casually because it's so incredibly annoying. Downpour I actually finished, but hated its guts just as much as 4. The environments look nice I guess, but just about nothing works well otherwise. Combat is a dumpsterfire, guns have a disfunctional auto-aim that makes you miss anything that moves sideways at walking-speed or above. Running away works really well though because Murphy seems to get a comedic speed boost while doing so.

[@patrickpeyton7433]

New to your channel, and this is my favorite franchise, awesome to see you tank the games.

[@wetmix]

SH4 deserves higher spot, at least S tier SH2, SH4 - are 2 best SH games when it comes to storytelling & atmosphere

[@PunchyYT]

no

[@waltuh11121]

I love SH4 but it's not an S at all. They could have changed the 2nd half of the game level designs and the ghosts are too annoying (not removing them, but making them less OP) and Walter chasing you is too much. Keep in mind that this comes from the real Walter Sullivan (real)

[@Seandeclanpatrick]

4 definitely has a lot of problems(a LOT of problems), but it at least has an atmosphere. Downcoming look and play like shit and aren't even remotely scary. I definitely don't blame anyone who can't get past SH4's problems though. And the belching nurses sure don't help its atmosphere.

[@DrummerDucky]

Silent Hill 4 is a pain in the ass to play for all the reasons Punchy listed. Only parts I liked were in the apartment.

[@actdye]

Silent Hill 1 was my first game ever to play on a controller (without analog sticks btw). To put it simply, it was a pain. I have passed this game only in 8 hours, even with a guide at hand

[@JT-hs6hc]

great video like usual! thanks for posting on your youtube!

[@SjefDriscoll]

PUNCHY OPINIONS!!!!

[@vergeldacula2683]

Same my favorite characters are heather,Henry(relatable) and James

[@ChaseAnheier]

I don't like Silent Hill 4 either cause it causes so much anxiety for me. The ghosts that don't die scare the shit out of me for some reason and I think it's cause they can't die. I hate it!

[@crtchicanery9605]

the historic society is my favorite segment of the entire franchise, crazy to hear it singled out as a low point of sh2. the apartments are the worst imo.

[@IvanHabunek]

A tier tier list.

[@orlandofurioso7329]

Ah yes Homecoming, the Sonic 06 of Silent hill, but i love Sonic 06 and Homecoming, guess i am weird. Also edit: Come on Punchy, Homecoming has its issues but Book of memories doesn't remotely feel not only as a Silent hill game but as a horror game in general.

[@mauricioaguilera3194]

Homecoming works (unlike Sonic 06) ... and enemy design alone makes it a must play

[@orlandofurioso7329]

@@mauricioaguilera3194 Sonic 06 at its core is great, and i will die on that hill

[@attackofthecopyrightbots]

silent hill 4 is a really bad game to play(like nier 1) but good story, art, music graphics, pretty much everything except gameplay. also while the game is not good to play there are a lot of really good gameplay ideas(hauntings, the first person segment etc) origins for me, definitely not as good despite having better gameplay but I feel like silent hill was never supposed to have good combat on purpose?

[@attackofthecopyrightbots]

except for 3 and 2 i guess

[@attackofthecopyrightbots]

idk i honestly find it weird to rank silent hill of all things by gameplay

[@SalmonJonesTheMagnificent]

Origins is the best of the post-japan games. It's dumb and kinda dopey, but if you squint hard enough it does actually kinda look like a silent hill game. It sounds like one, it even looks like one, it even sorta plays like one. It's the only video game like that after silent hill 4.

[@AliceDewDrop]

How DARE the streamer have opinions that don't match mine!

[@smergthedargon8974]

I feel like if you made some sort of hideous The Fly hybrid of Downpour and Homecoming you'd wind up with a fantastic game - each seems to fail in ways the other was fine.

[@Hugo_Tate]

Cool vid

[@Thatitchyguy]

4 has by far the most interesting story and concept to me but my GOD does it suck to play

[@Tiamat4]

for casual tier I mostly agree but would put both SH3 and SH4 at B tier. I think SH3 is a mix of really good things (graphics, gameplay, Heather in some ways) and some pretty bad things (story pacing, story red herrings, cringe dialogue). SH4 is rough to play (and Henry sucks) but I love watching someone stream it.

[@seleniebeanie]

Putting SH4 and Homecoming in the same tier is BLASPHEMY!! lol I really don't understand how people can like Homecoming and defend it. But that's just me.

[@jared20089]

He said that the music is literally the only thing keeping it from F tier lmao

[@velvetbutterfly]

I only got to play 2 and 3 on PS3's HD version and I only encountered one game-breaking bug, in 2. While I admit it's probably the worst way to play the games due to how purposefully they were designed for the PS2 and then source code was trashed, they were still solid experiences.

[@velvetbutterfly]

@JamesMarsanne in the hotel. You know the room where you put the music boxes, there is a door to the east. For some reason when I entered that door I was in an endless black void. I couldn't just turn around and go back. I ran around for a few minutes and eventually just reset, which set me back to wherever I saved in the last dungeon I think.

[@michabula5763]

@@velvetbutterfly I encountered the same bug (if I remember correctly it was the door upstairs and to the right coming from the lobby with the music boxes). i have a theory what causes this bug to occur. Instead of using paint thinner on a photo that's on the bed near the suitcase I blindly entered "lock" and it worked. Maybe the game thought I was cheating by having both paint thinner and the object from the suitcase and it sent me straight to the void LOL

[@liszt646]

Sh 2 and Sh4 are my favorites of all, I grew up playing these games so they hold a very special place in my heart. It's funny cause they're both more like a standalone than a sequel. But I understand why some people don't like Sh4 (especially the hardcore fans)

[@Facebooker413]

I been playing HD for the first time and it is so goofy to play. With a modern controller using 2d movement completely ruins the horror element to a hilarious degree. I been wondering if theres like glitches or exploits for it to make it a different speedrun from the original. Also I named myself after Heather because I really resonated with 3's horror Lastly I cant believe this Silent Hill Pachinko erasure /s

[@muticere]

Yeah there are a lot of interesting good ideas about Silent Hill 4 but I agree, it’s the least fun to play.

[@HybridEnergy]

Aw man, I actually liked Home Coming lol, too bad it runs at 30fps locked on PC.

[@orlandofurioso7329]

Try the unknown project patch

[@genericsavings]

I agree with the SH4 hate. It’s not a good game. It’s designed just to frustrate you. It’s such a shame, cause the ideas in it are good. I remember watching the trailer and I was salivating. I bought a modded PS2 and the Japanese version just to play it one month earlier. 500 bucks later, I was so saddened that SH4 just dropped the ball. Excellent ideas, but poor execution.

[@azumashinobi1559]

everyone has different opinions everyone has different opinions everyone has different opinions everyone has different opinions everyone has different opinions

[@Jxxron]

HD collection is not THAT bad cmon now

[@PunchyYT]

yes it is

[@Jxxron]

@@PunchyYT Idk maybe the xbox series x version is fixed, because i never ever crashed on it once in my life and i beat 2 and 3 so idk bro

[@orlandofurioso7329]

It is bad compared to the og, a real downgrade, however the extra power of the series X makes it much better in the gameplay department, shame for the incomplete assets given from Konami though

[@Jxxron]

@@orlandofurioso7329 Ok good thing u replied, bcuz it was fun and enjoyable for me on the series X, but i can see the original version was pretty bad

[@xmumbyx1723]

Good list, but I question if any Silent Hill has ever deserved a straight 'S'. I mean, commercially even the most beloved games in the franchise hardly moved more than 1 million copies. And if ya don't get paid son, you worth exaclty nuffin'!

[@casanovafunkenstein5090]

The quality of the experience someone has with a piece of media doesn't really correlate with how much it sold. There are a lot of factors that influence the commercial success of a product and a series focused on an adult audience which focuses on making players feel uncomfortable isn't going to appeal to as broad an audience as something like Skyrim or Mario regardless of quality (I'm not making any statements about the quality of those games but they do serve to illustrate the kind of games that do achieve high sales.)

[@xmumbyx1723]

I somewhat agree and disagree with you. Like, sales is def not an indicator of how much fun you'll have playing the game. But if you look back and think, Silent Hill was initially conceived as Konami's take on Resident Evil franchise and, yeah, its commectial success. It was a big deal then. It wasn't a small indie thingy, Konami paid astronomical money for Silent Hill 1 ad campaigns (true story - I first heard of Silent Hill when I was watching WWF in 1999). And i think the first one is still the most commercially successul entry in Silent hill series. SH2 - the beloved one - got owned by Metal Gear Solid 2 and dissapointed big bosses from Konami. After that, the sales' well run dry for Silent Hill. So yeah in the end, sales do matter. I really hope that SH2 remake will be a great game and make some good numbers in sales. @@casanovafunkenstein5090

[@infinite1752]

Yo pensaba q eras un hijo de la gran bretaña